to get it in early hardmode
#suggestions-discussion
arctic wren
tired haven
I mean big wyrm already drops hailbut with 10%
proven tide
where does it say the coldheart icicle is nerfed 'cause i can't see it
frail mantle
100% from Adult Wyrms
ruby cobalt
^
tired haven
Hmm so it became guaranteed from adult now, neat
tired haven
Tbh holding coldheart should give you det breaker effect so you can't just ride slime saddle
arctic wren
also no one in their right mind is gonna kill an adult eidolon wyrm in a regular playthrough, especially so early
proven tide
thankfully i am the left brain
arctic wren
Given it would from the suggestion only drop from the small ones after polter has died
autumn lion
det breaker toggable when 
frail mantle
Why do you need post-SCal hybrid armor when you have Demonshade Armor tho
ruby cobalt
demonshade sux xddd!
sudden quail
I probably shouldn't be saying this, but this armour was first suggested in the Thorium Discord. We said it wouldn't fit, so he decided to try his luck here.
autumn lion
Demonshade is not a good armor
tame urchin
Cold
frail mantle
Demonshade Armor is definitely good, it’s just that it’s mainly a glass cannon armor
if you want survivability, Auric is better
zenith hazel
yes, it's excellent as an offensive armor but not as good as a defensive one
either way, it's definitely good
marsh gust
see the thing is with planetoids, finding gems r way easier and hence gem hooks are easily craftable early game
sterile cipher
ahh, i see.
sorry.
just one question, how find the planetoids that early? they seem to require a gravity potion for me, which could be hard to get early on.
marsh gust
ropes?
sterile cipher
i see.
it does make sense, considering their commonness.
the planetoid's commoness, that is.
autumn lion
small world, about 150 ropes and easy planetoids
civic quail
Damn, I can't belive I would get almost 90 stars on my first suggestion
proven tide
@cobalt rose maybe just have that as 2 at 25
cobalt rose
what do you mean
zenith hazel
that'd be even more unfair for the other 2 mechs considering destroyer would have 2 rev drops
cobalt rose
ill think of rev drops for those.
zenith hazel
more specifically, 1 legendary drop and 1 rev drop
gloomy hazel
The SHPC is a legendary drop, so having a revengance-only item dropped from The Destroyer that is guaranteed to drop is I'd say a valid option
cobalt rose
^ what i was thinking
gloomy hazel
I mean, I believe it's a valid option, I'm not 100% sure about it but I have hopes
cobalt rose
I mean, isn't that the case with yharon? Fox Drive and Yharim's Crystal?
zenith hazel
nebulous core is expert+
cobalt rose
Nebulous Core is Expert, actually
gloomy hazel
Ah
zenith hazel
and i'm just saying it's unfair compared to the other mechs at the same tier
gloomy hazel
Wait, how about Fabsol's mount?
cobalt rose
Thats only garunteed if you're under the effects of the Fab buff.
cobalt rose
Wait, what do you mean by that
gloomy hazel
Fabsol's mount is dropped under the effect of Fabsol's drink AND in Revengance
zenith hazel
it's rev+ but it's not a drop 100% of the time because there's a chance you forgot to use fabsol's vodka or sth
gloomy hazel
as long as the two conditions are met, it drops from DoG
cobalt rose
oh
i was just wondering what you meant by "that doesnt prevent it from being dropped in revengeance"
gloomy hazel
Now you know it
small talon
truthfully sounds like a bullet purposefully made for killing DoG
radiant meadow
armored plating as in the storm weaver drop?
small talon
Armor piercing + infinite pierce + high base damage
radiant meadow
well, everything relevant by then is immune to whispering death pretty sure
civic pond
so then whats the point
radiant meadow
what's the point in amr defense reduction and mfd? idk
civic pond
eh
radiant meadow
yharon and scal are immune to mfd, scal has no defense, and yharon's defense is set every tick
unkempt panther
mainly for farming was what I was thinking, also buffs sea dragon.
the point for the armor piercing was in turn to help farm DoG as a ranger, it is supposed to be post DoG requiring cosmolight bars and a deadron forge.
civic pond
DoG is supposed to be AP resistant anyways
unkempt panther
...fair point
radiant meadow
doggo doesn't even have defense afaik
unkempt panther
it was also meant to help in things like the buffed pumpkin and frost moon with all the enemies and to help against things like the ravenger.
elfin maple
How about AP bullets have some defense penetration? Something that reduces the damage reduction of defense (not damage reduction tho because dr is usually there for some other reason i think)
Like if the target NPC has 20 defense, it would act like the npc has 18 or something (10% reduction)
Oh whispering death reduces defense nvm
arctic tapir
YOU DONT BELONG IN THIS WORLD
civic pond
ok
queen delta
my mere jellybean suggestion got to 200 stars
and god of dead memes' calamitous core suggestion is already at 197
ping me if you have any feedback, as I'm gonna keep playing with my friend now
smoky wagon
@queen delta supreme calamitas's bullet hell has the same issue in multiplayer
it spawns around one player so for others it will just pop into existence
queen delta
yeah, i would've included that but DoG and scal is a different story
it's always generally a good idea to stick to each other during BHs anyways
which is fairly easy compared to DoG where you always have to be moving
queen delta
hmm i probably should shorten the suggestion
most people hate reading
i even had to downgrade to rev DoG cuz the laser walls were unbearable when DoG can hurt you
this is a huge problem imo
radiant pivot
Multiplayer just bugs out a ton of calamity things in general
queen delta
That's true, but imo, DoG has the most significant
All the bugs make deathmode DoG exceedingly difficult
full bramble
perhaps have it so that moon lord instaspawns instead of having to wait a minute for him to spawn?
icy cove
That is already in a mod, but still a good idea considering it would technically be a different item
livid coral
Yeah we got severely walled by DoG because of certain MP bugs
Due to my lag causing the laser walls to be very choppy and Ozz getting hit by DoG when he shouldn't be, it was annoying
livid coral
I'm not a programmer and I'm not sure if it's possible to make MP exclusive fixes. I'd have to ask Fabsol or Ozz on that one
Or Phupper
queen delta
Aight
I’m fine with anything that’ll make laser walls in MP bearable
Cuz deathmode DoG is nearly impossible with this glitch
livid coral
Yeah if it was hard for us in Rev
ashen warren
i like that suggestion tbh
queen delta
Tho i may just make it shorter and only contain the dog contact damage during laser wall part
Cuz many people here including me dont like reading long stuff
queen delta
There its much shorter
I just pretty much removed problem 2
Since its not as significant as problem 1
zenith hazel
did you mean meteoroid?
zenith hazel
i don't understand the naming part
queen sail
Okay, first of all:
- Why do we need this
- Meteor Staff is already used in Asteroid Staff
zenith hazel
besides, if you're trying to say "meteoroid staff", it doesn't exactly make sense due to meteoroid, by definition, is debris caused by a meteor
queen sail
Both this and your previous suggestion seem to be reference suggestions with no actual reasoning to back them up
zenith hazel
so you're throwing debris of a meteor, not an actual one, at things?
zenith hazel
the guy disappeared without a trace again
formal prism
I like Coballion's idea of a new summoner, not sure if it should be at that tier of progression though
queen sail
you gotta be really convincing to make summon suggestions work though
Though this is probably well known by now
formal prism
well, you gotta be convincing regardless of the suggestion.
the Elemental Axe is... pretty overpowered at its tier: it noclips, and targets through blocks, and has a huge targeting radius, and it also inflicts the elemental mix debuff.
for a Moon Lord themed and tiered summon weapon... hmm...
frail mantle
those bosses don't have trophies because no one has bothered spriting them yet
keen oxide
TBH the celestial sigil doesn't really need to be non-consumable (unless you make something like the provi thingie) but making it an ista summon instead of the impending doom countdown would help a lot
ashen warren
I think its a good suggestion. Every major boss has a non-consumable summon item. Moon Lord is the final boss in Vanilla, so it should be non-consumable respectively.
frail mantle
making the Sentinels attack during Doggo's phase 1 would make the first phase extremely chaotic
queen delta
Lore-wise, they fit
The 3 sentinels are meant to try and attack you as a last resott
arctic wren
I mean the first phase isn't exactly the most difficult thing in the world
but I prefer the idea of just removing it all together tbh
hearty spade
Having to deal with DoG, three guardians and three sentinels would be too chaotic imho
queen delta
Yeah, DoG is an endurance fight, not a long hectic one
hollow shell
The usual suggestion is fighting all three sentinels at the same time between P1 and P2
But
that was tested and deemed too difficult and chaotic
Cuz they were each designed to be individual bosses
I'd love if it could be made to work because that sounds awesome and worthy of it's own phase
but alas, too screwy
teal ibex
what kinda long fight exactly, yata 
red stratus
What if the sentinels attacked you during the second phase?
terse sundial
that would be even worse tbh
red stratus
Well in that case I think they should just be removed because 1: it's boring 2: the sentinels are already dead.
Also I think you should get to fight the whole DoG fight in boss rush mode.
terse sundial
BR is already extremely long as it is, the full DoG fight isn't really needed
hearty spade
Yeah why would you want that
red stratus
Yeah, but it's skipping half of the boss.
terse sundial
hearty spade
Final DoG is fine as it is in BR
red stratus
The first phase is as much a part of the fight as the second phase.
red stratus
The cosmic guardians make it unique and it like shoots normal lasers in first phase
hearty spade
It shoots "normal lasers" in the last phase too
red stratus
I those didn't come from his body
lost agate
Trust me, you dont want to spawn sentinels and doggo p2 at the same time
red stratus
Well I think the Sentinels should just be removed entirely from the fight
lost agate
I mean, it looks like the last struggle they do to protect him
red stratus
They're already dead
lost agate
Are they?
red stratus
You have to kill them before you can fight DoG
lost agate
No need to shout
red stratus
And the Storm Weaver was the last of its kind not counting DoG
lost agate
Imo, those 3 serves as a break before the real deal
red stratus
It still doesn't make any sense
lost agate
And well, as said before, not all gameplay mechanics are tied to lore
red stratus
Well whatever... I still don't think the Ceaseless Void would make a desperate attempt to save DoG since it's a mindless void mass thing encased in cosmolite.
hearty spade
Do the bosses even die when they... die? 🤔
cobalt rose
Supreme Calamitas is the only boss that we know can respawn.
frail mantle
And Yharon
cobalt rose
...Wait when was that established?
frail mantle
He’s a Phoenix Dragon thingy iirc
cobalt rose
Hmm...
arctic tapir
Crabulon can technically respawn because he’s just a crab
tired haven
Profaned guardians because prov
Prov idk tho
arctic tapir
Maybe
red stratus
If Yharon could just respawn it would conflict with his theme
open prairie
emote suggestions are allowed right
red stratus
Shrug
bitter topaz
they are, since they count as server suggestions
open prairie
epic
cobalt rose
what if we made a calamity-themed pog emote
ashen warren
YES
open prairie
i agree
cobalt rose
but who would it be
cobalt rose
@red stratus That's dokuro's own decision
red stratus
Oh yeah, and he doesn't come to this server, so guess that was pointless.
cobalt rose
probably should delete your suggestion.
red stratus
Done
livid coral
ONE DAY we'll get a rogue drop for Aquatic Scourge
frail mantle
i suggested a SotD upgrade from AS once
queen delta
ONE DAY we’ll have more summoner weapons 
mystic nacelle
rogue weapon for aquatic scourge has been suggested 2 other times within the past 3 months (early april and mid-late feb), but it'd nice to see to see it ingame
honestly its a bit questionable that he doesnt have it, despite all of his weapon/accessory drops being hardmode versions of desert scourge
livid coral
Rogue update is coming after this update.
lost agate
If theres no bugfixes
civic pond
what are the chances of replacing cryotada with sexy herobrine
radiant meadow
Like none
civic pond
and that was expected
echo horizon
guys can ya nerf leviathan and siren since leviathan is extremely huge, siren dashes way too fast and close to the player and she spams attacks like, you dont have time to attack neither at least nerf the spams and the dashes since it gets annoying and for a pre plantera boss it should've be easier, as difficulty it should be after plague bringer goliath so please nerf siren and leviathan
civic pond
w?
echo horizon
rEaD
civic pond
no thanks im good
echo horizon
im not ;c
frail mantle
"it gets annoying for a pre plantera boss"
que
civic pond
ashen warren
if you're good enough tbh
queen sail
@red stratus late as hell but it was established/implied by fab a few months ago that xeroc’s in charge of making everything respawn
ashen warren
yeet
livid coral
People use Det. Breaker?
frail mantle
sometimes for nohits, yes
frail mantle
they use it in case they use accessories that grant occasional dodges iirc
because getting a dodge on a nohit, even with Armageddon active=DQ
civic pond
huh
ashen warren
F
ashen warren
I have returned
autumn lion
@mystic nacelle i agree with you Det breaker should be a toggable item
arctic tapir
@green ruin download alchemist npc
radiant pawn
If im correct, Rogue/Summoner helmet variants of the pre mech ores was suggested by a lot
ashen warren
yeet
radiant pawn
I think its in the list of over suggested stuff
ashen warren
i'll take 5 minutes to kill a mech boss over dying a horrible death repeatedly any day imo
queen delta
Any weapons
radiant meadow
because like claspers are way smarter and stronger than herring
queen delta
yeah but they even have a problem outrunning the twins
They really really need a speed boost tbh
considering skeletron prime is a very fast boss
I've been fighting prime from 7:30pm to 1am and only even got close to halfway
Actually ill just edit the suggestion to include mini twins and aquatic scourge minions
radiant meadow
aquatic stars got buffed a while back
terse sundial
Deepsea Staff was buffed recently by 25% to me personally I believe it to be in a good state. I definitely agree with an optic staff buff though. Ice Claspers aren't great sometimes
radiant meadow
they didn't get an AI change though
terse sundial
just a damage boost
radiant meadow
optic staff suffers from i frame curse
ashen warren
^
terse sundial
problem with that is that stuff is hardcoded, a straight damage boost may be needed though.
terse sundial
that may work
but yeah, I agree with an optic staff buff, but not a Deepsea Staff buff unless you get it to go 50 damage flat instead of 48
ashen warren
commit summoner armor sets tbh
queen delta
ill give deepsea staff a try for prime
radiant meadow
they'll probably still commit dumb but like they should do good damage if they're not committing dumb
arctic wren
you can fight plantera pre mechs you can
I mean on rev/death Plantera is much easier than any of the mechs
radiant meadow
how about you just wait
civic quail
👌
arctic wren
also yeah
deep sea staff is ok damage when they're not commiting dumb
radiant meadow
@ashen warren buffing king slime is on the document on what not to suggest
bosses that are meant to be easy aren't going to be buffed
dusty stirrup
queen delta
tired haven
Me: confused screaming
ashen warren
Ohh hi CrabBar
arctic wren
Can "make dash accessories not be toggled by visibility" be added to the "don't suggest" list? 🤔
pretty much beating a dead horse at this point
radiant meadow
@hollow shell ^ can you do that? It's been suggested around 14 times since last August.
hollow shell
I'll put it in Frequently Suggested, yeah
radiant meadow
alright
zenith hazel
there already is a shadow armor
civic gust
oh whoops in that case darkness armor
pliant bone
@civic gust Just edit your suggestion instead
civic gust
eh whatevs
pliant bone
Can you clarify how it works?
You can go to full stealth on command or you still have to buildup?
glacial lagoon
Probably like vortex
ashen warren
try saying "held weapons damage" instead of just weapons damage
zenith hazel
well the rogue expansion update is coming soon so we might get a new rogue set early-hm then
smoky wagon
Oh nice my sug got 90 stars
ashen warren
thanks for leaving the Monsoon as an exception cob
cyan lagoon
It has to be exempt for the same reason as Flarewing
@arctic tapir Can you explain why a weapon like this should be added, please?
arctic tapir
oh aight
cyan lagoon
I can see this suggestion working out quite well with a couple ironing. (also you should mention that it should replace the Eldritch Tome in the Tome of Fates' recipe)
arctic tapir
Oh yeah
arctic tapir
the big one
cyan lagoon
this one
arctic tapir
@cyan lagoon
cyan lagoon
👍
ashen warren
lol
cyan lagoon
this would be the updated recipe
civic pond
i like this one.
cyan lagoon
since this would probably not touch the other materials
arctic tapir
ye
ashen warren
et
cyan lagoon
oh fuck
i forgot
part of me wants to say use it for each but i dont know how well that will play
ashen warren
bruh
civic pond
pretty sure there are other weapons that are used in multiple recipes..
rustic ember
Paintball gun for one
radiant meadow
what is paintball gun used in besides speed blaster?
terse sundial
i think that's it
radiant meadow
spectre staff is used in both magnetic meltdown and phantasmol fury
but don't think there's any other examples
civic pond
excalibur
radiant meadow
I suppose, ark of the ancients and true excalibur eventually making ark of the cosmos and exoblade respectively
civic pond
i coulda sworn there were more
bitter topaz
@shell crystal no.
people used to be able to, and they proved they were untrustworthy
and since people still can't be trusted, it's not coming back
it's also kind of useless, obviously
hell. even mods can't react in there iirc
devout seal
shell crystal
sad
bitter topaz
also, can we not use reaction gifs outside of #general-talk ?
shell crystal
double sad
queen delta
I love this idea
hollow shell
@warm tinsel Sorry that I'm late to the deliveries, but I have to ask what the purpose of Calamitous Cosmilite was supposed to be?
What would it do?
queen sail
@hollow shell gonna answer on his behalf: Meant to be another source to gain cosmilite other than dogvourer of dogs at the cost of sacrificing NF and EE to purify it into the actual bars
Also lore relevance since Void is made from Cal’s magic and a cosmilite frame
hollow shell
Oh, you're supposed to use NF and EE to turn them into Cosmilite?
queen sail
Yes
queen sail
Sacrifice some of the resources you have so you don’t fight chadvourer
hollow shell
@ashen warren It'd be better if you gave a specific suggestion for such a weapon, giving it a name and its exact function and how it's crafted, etc
civic pond
elaborate
hollow shell
I guess one is needed now that Excelsus isn't an Influx Weaver spiritual successor anymore.
civic pond
🤔
queen sail
Enemy wise calamitiddy is worm mod, weapon wise it’s the sword mod
civic pond
wormsword mod
ashen warren
I just miss old excelsus lol
tired haven
that's all that mod needs. worm summon weps and swords
queen sail
Good luck convincing the devs to make more worm summons
civic pond
queen sail
SoA has more polished content and dan still confesses that the araghur staff is aids to code
Just how badly coded is this game lmao
queen sail
Not when meme bow exists 
civic pond
oh yes THAT thing.
i was talking about suggestion wise though
80% its ADD COOL SWORD WITH OP EFFECT
or a new summoner weapon from what i see
civic pond
terratomeme
hollow shell
@golden shoal Christ at least wait for it to get in the game
Also don't worry, they will still have some degree of connection
golden shoal
lol also i guess, but i think it'd be weird to see two swords that look very similar and behave very similar but you can't craft one into the other
it feels off is all i'm saying
frail mantle
mixing Throwing stuff with Rogue stuff is in the Don'ts document
arctic tapir
^
sleek wadi
Also Ninja is becoming a ranged armor in the next update.
ashen warren
Oh ok
sleek wadi
Er, next vanilla update anyway
frail mantle
Onyxia too
austere obsidian
Shit .-.
hollow shell
Well Onyxia is Post-P1
austere obsidian
Why did I forget that
hollow shell
It is the only one in its tier
so
maybe more are needed
austere obsidian
Yeah
mystic nacelle
@ashen warren any versions/recipies for crimson worlds?
ashen warren
Maybe an ichor fist idk
hollow shell
Can you edit your Influx Waver upgrade suggestion to be more elaborate, please?
hollow shell
@austere obsidian What would it do differently from Vampire Knives?
Also,
Luminite*
terse sundial
bypass canGhostHeal harharyes
austere obsidian
Have more damage? Maybe shoot a extra knife?
Idk, just thought have a upgrade to the vampire knives for early post moonlord would be cool and useful
hollow shell
@arctic tapir I already ping those and keep the exclamation mark
terse sundial
No
arctic tapir
blocking better suggestions
civic pond
some of the more thought out suggestions kind of get drowned out pretty fast
austere obsidian
I kinda agree
civic pond
im just saying
arctic tapir
I understand the chance for improvement but
Why not remove it if they dont fix it within 1-2 hours
terse sundial
Extremely low effort suggestions maybe, but some suggestions just need a little bit of attention to be made better
civic pond
fair point
austere obsidian
Makes sense
civic pond
ok but if people just shit suggestions there and dont change them whatsoever
THAT would be susceptible to deletion
austere obsidian
I'll just delete my that I just made
queen delta
mobile 
warm tinsel
@hollow shell it was supposedly a good use for making Cosmilite contextualized in the lore as it would be cursed Cosmilite dropped from CV that can be purified after DoG dies with two powers he stole from old Deus, like for example Nightmare Fuel and Endotermic Energy, at Draedon's Forge.
hollow shell
Alright
I was confused because it seemed like you wanted to be able to craft Calamitous Cosmilite using those moon event materials and Cosmilite, rather than the other way around
wording was weird
hollow shell
@open stag Joke suggestions aren't allowed
Just gonna say that right now
open stag
radiant meadow
ye, don't do that
gusty geode
I'm a little disappointed my themed Starter Bags suggestion didn't make it
I'm not asking for a detailed elaboration, but could someone give me an idea of what I could have done wrong?
radiant meadow
the fact that suggestions almost never make it in?
proven tide
a ghost
yes, that would be good
an enemy that spawns and spawns and spawns, probably multiple times at once with zerg
zenith hazel
it'd be good but i think it'd fit more as a miniboss
proven tide
that's no longer the man himself that's just a thing™
tight gorge
Have any suggestions ever been added?
delicate raft
yes
proven tide
there was one just last week lmao
gloomy hazel
Statis' ghost as a miniboss would be nice as well
zenith hazel
sometimes suggestions are actually good and contribute towards something
proven tide
queen delta
i kinda gave up with suggestions since they're low priority
sudden quail
Did someone post an mp3 file in #suggestions-voting ? It seems to be causing a glitch that causes the channel to not be marked as read.
hollow shell
Holy shit is that the reason why I keep getting channels that do that?
Oh my god that's the connecting thread
oh my god it makes so much sense
and, yes, someone did
a .ogg technically
sudden quail
The glitch was discovered a couple times (and a hell of a lot more over the past year or so) over at the Thorium Discord. One of the mods knew what the problem was and was able to solve it.
hollow shell
How'd they solve it?
sudden quail
He just deleted the post that had the link lmao
hollow shell
..oh
radiant pivot
so like
my friend feels that the astral infection is kinda lacking
in like, things other than bosses
so he came up with this idea
im just gonna copy and paste it here to see how you guys think it be
"The astral infection begins as one structure randomly placed on the opposite side of the world as the jungle temple, but not as the biome itself. Instead, it's a research station/lab in the cavern layer used by Draedon that has since been abandoned. The player can find it, but not enter it as they cannot mine their way in yet nor enter the main door. Once the world enters hardmode, the virus held within the lab breaks out, spreading to the nearby area all the way up to the surface. Instead of the astral ore being a single meteorite, it's the result of random blocks within the biome being turned into the ore. With the break out of the virus, the front door of the lab is destroyed. The lab itself is a circle, with a pathway that spirals its way to the center. As the player makes their way to the center, they are stopped by traps. However, these traps cannot be deactivated by removing pressure plates, as they are controlled by the main terminal of the lab, in its center. Upon reaching the center, the player uses an astral chunk on the main terminal to activate it, revealing the terminal to be astrum aureus. Much like with golem and the power cells, astral chunks can be used to summon astrum aureus multiple times. Upon defeating astrum aureus once, the traps within the lab shut down, and can be excavated by the player for their own use. For the sake of in-game chronology, the traps within the Astral Laboratory deal more damage than dungeon spikes, but less damage than the jungle temple's traps/spikes. From defeating astrum aureus everything that follows in the astral infection is the same as usual."
glacial lagoon
That sounds like too much effort for a crash site
real parrot
this suggestion is implying that it shouldn't be a crash site. rather, it should be a pseudo-counterpart to the jungle temple
"my friend feels that the astral infection is kinda lacking"
i like the idea
radiant pivot
mhm
glacial lagoon
Tbh all i want is Astral ice and snow blocks
radiant pivot
so is there anything specific i should change to that before i post it as a suggestion, or is it too big of a suggestion?
real parrot
a bit of formatting could help
one sec
radiant pivot
mhm
real parrot
Astral Biome Change: Astral Laboratory
The astral infection begins as one structure randomly placed on the opposite side of the world as the jungle temple, but not as the biome itself.
Instead, it's a research station/lab in the cavern layer used by Draedon that has since been abandoned. The player can find it, but not enter it as they cannot mine their way in yet nor enter the main door.
Once the world enters Hardmode, the virus held within the lab breaks out, spreading to the nearby area all the way up to the surface. Instead of the astral ore being a single meteorite, it's the result of random blocks within the biome being turned into the ore.
With the break out of the virus, the front door of the lab is destroyed. The lab itself is a circle, with a pathway that spirals its way to the center.
As the player makes their way to the center, they are stopped by traps. However, these traps cannot be deactivated by removing pressure plates, as they are controlled by the main terminal of the lab, in its center.
Upon reaching the center, the player uses an Astral Chunk on the main terminal to activate it, revealing the terminal to be Astrum Aureus.
Much like with Golem and the Lihzahrd Power Cells, Astral Chunks can be used to summon Astrum Aureus multiple times.
Upon defeating Astrum Aureus once, the traps within the lab shut down, and can be excavated by the player for their own use.
For the sake of in-game chronology, the traps within the Astral Laboratory deal more damage than Dungeon spikes, but less damage than the Jungle Temple's traps/spikes.
After defeating Astrum Aureus, everything that follows in the current Astral Infection is the same as usual.
@radiant pivot how's this look?
arctic tapir
there is astral ice @glacial lagoon
real parrot
it was your suggestion in the first place 
proven tide
@radiant pivot ... so, the side of the Dungeon
real parrot
from the looks of it, it will be on the opposite side of the world as the jungle temple
so yeah, seems like it
real parrot
idk i like the idea of it being in the mirror opposite place as the temple
it at least specifies the area it will be better 
arctic tapir
...the dungeon side
sleek wadi
ngl I have no idea where we could fit another structure without running into some more world gen problems
real parrot
there isn't much near the dungeon other than the abyss
real parrot
you might get snow biome shenanigans but that seems to be it
arctic tapir
- below desert
- after the dungeon
- below the giant tube after the dungeon
the 3 remaining places in worldgen really
all taken by calamity
you have SOME space in the snow
but it wouldnt work for this anyway
sleek wadi
To my knowledge snow and sand biomes generate independently of jungle and dungeon
real parrot
snow tends to be on the same side of the world as the dungeon
though much closer to spawn than say, the jungle
radiant pivot
yeah
maybe the structure itself can be smaller
and the boss fight could just be fought on the surface, summoned there instead of inside the structure
radiant pivot
true
severe crater
i've always been very anti-surface structure
unless it's at the edge of the world
they get in your way badly for surface travel
spark flax
Why not slightly underground like desert pyramids?
I say, even though I know as a large scale suggestion there's basically no way the devs would add this
radiant pivot
im kinda diggin the slightly underground structure style like the pyramids
ashen warren
that's not a bad suggest gazden
rancid silo
would take alot of effort but i think it would be worth it
indigo depot
Hello can you please make Soul Harvester also a rogue weapon? Thanks
severe crater
That's the exact opposite of what fabsol wants done with rogue atm
zenith hazel
give a reason as to why it should be a rogue weapon
severe crater
In a later update weapons that are both melee and rogue are going pure melee and rogue is getting replacements iirc
gusty geode
As cool as that it is it really clashes with the lote
frail mantle
afaik all classes except Melee have a good weapon they can get from post-Deus Astral Infection
hive pod for summoner, stellar knives for Rogue, Arachnea Staff for Mage and Stellar Cannon for Ranged
also maybe instead of saying "add something among the lines of this vague concept" say "add this thing that does this because of this reason"
smoky wagon
Only two unique weapons from underground
i feel like the underground astral needs some sort of crafting material to make stuff
maybe some crystals
still cliff
Yes
frail mantle
is this a meme suggestion
civic pond
bruhg
still cliff
Lul?
civic pond
.
still cliff
I am an intelligent
ashen warren
yee-yee juice 
noble turret
no
frail mantle
^
lost agate
@still cliff no meme suggestions, you are warned
still cliff
Sorry
placid girder
What do people think about having stardust grow on astral ore so you don't get locked out of astral content if it crashes somewhere it can't infect
lost agate
Dont the enemies spawn in the meteor too?
lost agate
They do iirc
arctic tapir
ok but "stardust grass" would still be super cool
frank stratus
someday
lost agate
Rn we only have the theme
ashen warren
next update ?
tepid wadi
and some unique drops
radiant meadow
different enemies spawn underground vs the surface
leading to different unique drops like the Hive Pod
tepid wadi
Astralachnea staff
ashen warren
hive pod tbh
cyan lagoon
oops fuck i wrote meldbar on the victory shard thing
ashen warren
terse sundial
it's just a photoshop
ashen warren
?
cyan lagoon
^^
terse sundial
not a wiki page
cyan lagoon
there we go
terse sundial
Nice!
ashen warren
^
radiant meadow
slime god is immune to temporal sadness, so not really
at least, the big slimes and the core are
void kelp
the sprite ought to be a book with a tragedy face on it; what’s the dimensions of a spellbook in terraria again?
frail mantle
usually around 28x32 when in 2x2 afaik
gloomy hazel
Wow @radiant pivot, your suggestion got very quickly to 80 stars!
radiant pivot
Ik I was surprised lol
void kelp
reasonable/unreasonable to ask to add more descriptive tooltips to weapons?
frail mantle
i think so yea
hollow shell
I very much agree
void kelp
yeet
hollow shell
There were some tooltips that got removed, even
God knows why
full bramble
I agree with tooltips yes
void kelp
it’s very frustrating ngl
full bramble
I was about to trash the storm dragoon because I thought it dumped ammo and was bad until I tested it out and did wiki things
as well as the DoG bow
void kelp
esp when I was in the true melee phase of my death run (aka still am in it but switched to regular melee since I really wanna use the terra shiv lmao) when I’d get a sword and it shot a projectile when it didn’t have a tooltip
me: oh cool a new weapon!
me, on using it once: >:((((((
radiant meadow
the sentinels aren't supposed to be difficult
queen delta
except signut
full bramble
signus :(
radiant meadow
signus isn't that bad if you know his attack pattern
queen delta
signut isnt hard but compared to storm weaver and CV it is
radiant meadow
it's a lot simpler compared to the major bosses like providence, polterghast, or doggo
carmine stream
oh
carmine stream
is it still recommended to kill providence first?
ashen warren
Yeah to get the tarragon armor
full bramble
you need to kill providence to get the summon for the sentinels
ashen warren
No you can craft it
tight gorge
She's not
full bramble
oic
arctic tapir
why not
tight gorge
You need to to kill her to fight Yharon phase 2
full bramble
and no, I believe you need her for yharon
full bramble
kill providence and dog or no yharon for you
full bramble
mb then
tight gorge
Most Post-ML bosses are mandatory
ashen warren
The second phase won’t start if you haven’t beat providence and dog
tight gorge
and killed a mothron on buffed solar eclipse
carmine stream
^
full bramble
(I thought you needed divine geodes to craft the rune, whoops)
arctic tapir
@ashen warren hamaxes already DEMOLISH wood
civic pond
there doesn't need to be an axe for every tier/ore honestly
sleek wadi
Consider that the copper axe is enough to cut down every single tree type, you could feasibly get away with just making a basic axe item and removing every other axe
radiant meadow
grax works fine, does it not?
radiant pivot
True
severe crater
@ashen warren grax is already 200% axe power lmao
Perennial
It also fucking murders trees
radiant meadow
@ashen warren one, it's expert exclusive
two, you should support it with dps tests and kill times
sand umbra
Wait isn't this suggestion just the firestorm cannon But flamethrower
Literally what--
I just want a flamethrower-only run to be possible.
ashen warren
It is tbh
hearty yew
@void kelp i'll write all those myself. thanks for the motivation to do so
tired haven
I am fairly confident that firestorm cannon is veeery far from generic flamethrower
terse sundial
sinful violet
but
distant gyro
FS cannon is more like a machine/shot flare gun
sinful violet
leaf blower is flamethrower 😔
tired haven
flame blower and leafthrower when tbh
distant gyro
flame blower 🤔
steep bluff
Oh hi crab
civic quail
A flamethrower that shoots ichor at left click and cursed flames at right click?
ashen warren
Luiafk unlimited gel smh
arctic tapir
Wait soo
There’s no chance of adding a weapon that progresses through bosses
None at all
Right
civic quail
ye no
arctic tapir
Aight
gusty geode
"flamethrower-only run" 
ashen warren
easier said than done says the no-hitters
zenith hazel
#changelogs exists
proven tide
@stuck oriole
delicate raft
lol
glacial lagoon
Begone
ruby cobalt
@tepid wadi there's more of this shit
tepid wadi
I banned her
proven tide
lol banned already
tepid wadi
or rather it
ruby cobalt
nice
spark flax
wait what happened
proven tide
"Come chat for SEX in your town! shady link"
ruby cobalt
pornbot existed
spark flax
well then
proven tide
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ashen warren
let's not get too sidetracked by the brains eh? keep this for discussion of suggestions
cyan lagoon
@chilly flint if it can 'destroy demon altars' pre-boss then its a bug
quick dove
wooden leaf
it is stated in suggestion rule i think
frail mantle
the closest you'll see to Astrageldon coming back is the Astrageldon pet in Vanities
wooden leaf
you are trying to get the ungettable
cyan lagoon
dont minimod
proven tide
i was trying to warn him
mortal oracle
actually nvm i dont really care about having him
proven tide
before he got punished
wooden leaf
you are acting like ur a mod too , cob
proven tide
mortal oracle
i just want cosmic disgust back
wooden leaf
oh
proven tide
let's all stop being brains and get ontopic
mortal oracle
astrageldon slime was (probably) removed because it was stronger than the slime god which would be a nonsence
cyan lagoon
No
proven tide
astrageldon was removed because it had no real place in the lore and was an entirely forgettable boss with no purpose bar unlocking astrum
wooden leaf
astralgeldon ai is too bs and bad
proven tide
also it's bad
mortal oracle
THEN WHY
cyan lagoon
It was removed because it did not fit with the new astral whatsoever
frail mantle
it was removed cause it was basically a KS clone
wooden leaf
with laser
proven tide
all of the above
mortal oracle
hm
frail mantle
also that too
mortal oracle
ok
proven tide
astrum aureus needs a ravager tie-in don't fucken @ me
frail mantle
also i think Cosmic Disgust is still played in the Aureus fight and is still a Music Box
proven tide
^
Interstellar Stomper's yet to be added, according to wiki
but the mod updated today and none of it was showing up wiki-wise so give it a week or two
wooden leaf
what iz zat
wooden leaf
nu
proven tide
neat
ashen warren
so there taking a break
wooden leaf
hmm suggestion : stop taking breaks
zenith hazel
hmm, the old aureus theme getting the cultist treatment is pretty good
chilly flint
im late but no the ores don't appear if it breaks them
(Onyx Drill)
proven tide
hh
opal barn
yus
proven tide
thank you modman
cyan lagoon
another one
ivory heart
Terran Warrior Armor
A Post-Plantera set that trades defense for combined damage reduction and damage output. Not sure yet how to rival this with Perennial Armor.
I originally had this as a vanity set, with Mythril Hood, Tarragon Breastplate, and Silva Leggings, all dyed Green Flame Dye, but now that I think of it Terran Warrior Armor might be either a vanity set or a real armor.
arctic tapir
wtf is the onyx drill I can’t find it anywhere on google @chilly flint
Are you sure its calamity
arctic tapir
Ahh
ashen warren
Pretty OP imo
arctic tapir
It’s new that explains it
chilly flint
very op
arctic tapir
Yeah I know they’re supposed to be strong
But you shouldn’t be able to break fuckin altars
Does it also spawn the ores??
chilly flint
noe
ashen warren
I'd put it in early hm tbh
civic pond
alters are unbreakable prehm no matter what aren't they?
wooden leaf
i think it should be fixed in next update
arctic tapir
No
civic pond
h
arctic tapir
But yeah I don’t think a beefy pickaxe really has a place as a shrine item
ivory heart
And regarding my suggestion
ashen warren
Yeah, that. First off, why does this need to be a thing?
ivory heart
If Terra Edge and Terra Flameburster exist then this should be a thing
wooden leaf
no it shouldnt
ivory heart
Also it might look cool, but that’s just my perspective.
arctic tapir
What about this
Essence of the Underground
Accessory
Found in the cavern shrine (replaces onyx drill)
Increases pickaxe speed by 50%
Defense +10 in caverns
When mining an ore, can increase the amount of ore you get
All enemies killed in caverns have a doubled drop chance for all items
civic pond
sounds similar to the uh
cyan lagoon
seems unique but i dont think they'll replace it anytime soon
arctic tapir
@autumn basin providence is a hallowed boss
civic pond
archaic powder..?
arctic tapir
Still
autumn basin
providence is also an underworld boss
civic pond
also true
arctic tapir
Yes but also a hallowed boss
cyan lagoon
it wouldnt make sense anyway
autumn basin
meaning that she isn't hallow exclusive
cyan lagoon
why would a post-ml boss drop something primarily for post-plant?
ashen warren
Why not just make the keys drop from the mimics?
ivory heart
Good idea
ashen warren
The evil and good ones anyways
arctic tapir
Why not just grind for keys like you normally do
ashen warren
It's boring
autumn basin
i just don't like that the hallowed key drops from something that has no origin in the hallow whatsoever
ashen warren
Hallowed mimic drop?
cyan lagoon
i think old astral was supposed to be related to hallow... somehow?
autumn basin
it's still a stretch
ivory heart
Not Earth though
ashen warren
That's dev stuff
arctic tapir
Probably not coldheart
ashen warren
Why would the dungeon guardian need to yeet you at that point?
cyan lagoon
coldheart is unique and you can't cheese it anyway now
ashen warren
Just get the eidolon
ivory heart
Skip Skeletron
ivory heart
Eidolists also spawn in the abyss right
arctic tapir
Just get like 1 phantoplasm and die to a guardian
cyan lagoon
yes
ashen warren
Yep
arctic tapir
Yes
cyan lagoon
after dopp/plant
arctic tapir
Rinse repeat until you have a lot of it
ivory heart
Ok
ashen warren
Nope, after hm starts!
ashen warren
It's aight
ivory heart
Then you can skip over Skeletron completely by just going to the Abyss to get the Eidolon Tablet
hollow shell
Indeed
ivory heart
Instead of fighting Golem, since the Old Man overwrites cultists spawn
And you won’t need to worry about Skeletron Prime because the Portabulb exists
arctic tapir
Old man overwrites cultist?
Wow
Also you can summon skele prime without killing skeletron I thought
ivory heart
Mechanical Skull requires bones
arctic tapir
Oh yeah
And the enemies don’t spawn at all until he killed
Wait so
Do any summon items consume phantoplasm
ashen warren
Polter's
arctic tapir
Man, we’re really getting into “”can”” territory here considering you can’t even craft lategame gear
No but that’s dungeon doesn’t count
Anything you need
ashen warren
At that point, you could yeet skeletron
ivory heart
Is polter required for game progression
arctic tapir
Nope
ashen warren
no
arctic tapir
I mean
novel pebble
No
arctic tapir
“”No””
ivory heart
Ok
ashen warren
Phantoplasm is also obtainable from underground enemies
ivory heart
So yay you can still skip Skeletron
arctic tapir
Oh shit
Ok so get phantoplasm
Summon polterghast
Run out of dungeon
Fight enraged
ivory heart
Only problem
arctic tapir
And a dungeon guardian or two
hollow shell
Good frickin luck skipping Skeletron
You'd have to beat Yharon and SCal with Pre-DoG gear
arctic tapir
Nah nah nah
See
Phantoplasm drops from underground enemies supposedly
I actually wanna do a no skele run now
hollow shell
At that point it'd be worth it to real quick zip to the dungeon and kill skele with post-Prov gear
for all speedrunning purposes
ivory heart
Polterghast might spawn off screen
arctic tapir
no skeletron
ivory heart
@hollow shell Providence
arctic tapir
What’s the problem there
hollow shell
What?
arctic tapir
Dip in dip out
arctic tapir
I think you can spawn ceaseless void in the tiny area between “guardians will spawn” and “this is the dungeon”
cyan lagoon
nothing stopping you from immediately summoning him when you step into the dungeon
ivory heart
This suggestion sparked the number of ways to skip Skeletron
I am actually impressed by the Calamity community
arctic tapir
So we need a comprehensive list of everything the dungeon will give you
- nazar, so you can’t make an ankh shield so you can’t make Asgard
cyan lagoon
Now if there was only a way to make Cryogen/Plantera and Golem*/Ravager optional
arctic tapir
- sniper scope which is a minor inconvenience
cyan lagoon
*Golem may not be required
arctic tapir
Wdym how is cryogen needed
ivory heart
Golem is optional
cyan lagoon
eleum and cryonic bars
ivory heart
Eidolon Tablets
arctic tapir
Also ravager is entirely optional
cyan lagoon
wrong
arctic tapir
Ravager doesn’t add anything
cyan lagoon
it requires bars of life
arctic tapir
You can make bars of life w/o ravager bro
cyan lagoon
doesnt explain this though
arctic tapir
He just drops the ingredients you don’t need to get them from him
cyan lagoon
Wdym how is cryogen needed
cyan lagoon
Cryo/plant or Ravager are just seperate routes
zenith hazel
well cryogen is optional if you fight ravager and vice versa
cyan lagoon
rav if you want to get all of them in one or Cryo/plant if you want to have easy access without the hassle of grinding the same boss
void kelp
nazar is dropped by the enchanted weapon enemies in the underground hallow/evil biome, as well as dropped by one of the slime gods
arctic tapir
Oh shittt