suggestions-discussion

[ashen warren]

suspicious looking jellybean is slimy saddle upgrade

[queen delta]

Maybe lower tier? but brimrose is also there

[radiant meadow]

brimrose is like ufo upgrade

[ashen warren]

^

[proven tide]

There's nowhere viable to place the Nightmare Bee when Bee Mount + Nightmare Fuel is an option

it's in the name

[radiant meadow]

alicorn is reindeer on steroids

[queen delta]

And fabsol is already very good so going higher tier than than is pretty op imo

[gloomy hazel]

We need more unique mounts if that's so!

[proven tide]

nightmare bee literally eats enemies

[ashen warren]

unique?

bruh

[queen delta]

I'm no coder but that sounds annoying to code

[proven tide]

nightmare bee knocks enemies so far back they fall kata into the nth dimension

[gloomy hazel]

Mounts that doesn't feel like direct upgrades

[proven tide]

nightmare bee eats walls

nightmare bee sets enemy aggro so far up their own asses that as soon as you mount they all pretend they never saw you and walk away like zombies at dawn

that last one might work ngl

[gloomy hazel]

I know what kind of mount there can be. I'll work on it tomorrow.

[livid coral]

That is a fucking amazing cool bug

I love her

[proven tide]

thank you

my arthropod children prosper

[livid coral]

She shouldn't be a mount she should be a freaking weapon

[proven tide]

I was considering a summon weapon but holy shit post-ml summoner is bloated

[queen delta]

Yes thats acute bee right there

[proven tide]

and i am not making this anything but nightmare fuel

[ashen warren]

a summon mount

[gloomy hazel]

I have a better idea for an engine-powered mount

[proven tide]

🦀 NIGHTMARE BEE 🦀
————————————
🦀 NIGHTMARE BEE 🦀

[ashen warren]

plaguebringer goliath resprite right there

do it devs

[gloomy hazel]

I have a better idea! But it doesn't involve insects

[proven tide]

no.

[gloomy hazel]

Yes

[proven tide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF1UBIPnLco

[gloomy hazel]

Military armaments, any idea?

[proven tide]

when it flies the air just NNNNNNNN

[gloomy hazel]

I still have better and more unique

[proven tide]

When I escape this container I will rain hellfire and plagues down upon your brood

Nightmare Bee mount

[gloomy hazel]

There's too many organic mounts...actually, now, there's nothing but organic mountd

[proven tide]

Thank you for coming to my TEDTalk

Brim mount

UFO mount

There are non-organic

[gloomy hazel]

Okay, you get a point on that

But there's too many organic mounts

Here, sounds better?

[proven tide]

Nightmare Bee mount: Tooltip is Yharim needing to change his pants after perfecting arthropod control tech

[gloomy hazel]

Can you stop?...

[proven tide]

mmmmmm but the ideas keep flowing

[gloomy hazel]

We get it, nightmare bee, nightmare bee, nightmare bee etc...etc...

But I have an idea that I will work on tomorrow and doesn't involve any organic being

Only an engine-powered vehicle

[proven tide]

Alright, Nightmare Bee selling points vs. other P-ML mounts:
— It's not Rev exclusive — it literally just needs Nightmare Fuel.
— Making foes run all the fuck away upon bringing it out would be nice yes
— It's a bee made of fear itself. Universal appeal.
— raw contact damage is raw uwu

are these acceptable terms of bee service

[proven tide]

yes yes yes

[queen sail]

I think instead of reducing spawn rates, we could find ways to make them more relevant to kill

There was a suggestion earlier to give the armored digger a crate

[proven tide]

give me beez

someone with relevance and authority validate my bee please

[eager palm]

your bee is invalid

please try again later

[proven tide]

noted

will re-attempt tomorrow

[fierce hedge]

@sinful violet Good one. Since Obsidian is the earliest Rogue set you can have, (Which is Post-Evil Boss)

[sinful violet]

nah, bombs

but it's not as consistently farmed as urchin stingers

[fierce hedge]

Wait really?

Bombs can destroy Obsidian?

Last time I tried it didnt work...

[sinful violet]

Yeah it can

[ruby cobalt]

they can

they can't destroy hellstone until HM

but that's about it for bombing limitations

oh, and desert fossils, but nobody cares about them

[sinful violet]

yup, not anymore

oh and if you couldn't tell, phup and i have a bit of a old meme for this

[fierce hedge]

Oof

[proven tide]

reaver is pre-evil again by the way

if you wanna be that guy

[frail mantle]

@normal thorn you literally listed off the only three bosses in the game that already have anti-butcher/anti-insanely-powerful-weapons-from-other-mods mechanisms

it’s impossible to deal enough damage to them that your suggestion would be necessary

[pliant bone]

The only weapon that could do so is a post-scal weapon

Also it would be ridiculous that if you somehow managed to trigger the anti-butcher that the boss will suddenly and unexplicably gain a fuckton of hp

[ashen warren]

@normal thorn you suggested this recently and were told here why adding such a thing would be unfun and restrictive of how people want to play

Actually checking up on it, it was just last night you suggested it

Make no sense, SCal and Yharon have a damage cap, so it doesnt matter how much damage you do.

[frail mantle]

DoG too

[ashen warren]

Right, my bad

[placid moth]

We discussed this back then and agreed, no, there shouldn't be a damage cap because :

1. Let's break RTN, DSA further
2. Anti-Butcher Mechanics

[normal thorn]

I mean if u play with other mods you can easily deal tonns of damage..

I made this suggestion cuz i experienced it

[placid moth]

Like what mods ?

[zenith hazel]

but we're talking about calamity alone here

[normal thorn]

Like sacred tools

[zenith hazel]

in the end, calamity alone is what matters due to how op some mods are

[placid moth]

Then I think it's the player's fault for playing large content mods together, not the mod itself for non-existing damage caps.

[frail mantle]

You’re saying to give bosses that already have anti-butcher an anti-butcher feature

[ashen warren]

Fuck misclick smh

[zenith hazel]

anti-"anti-butcher"butcher

[normal thorn]

Lol im not talking abou millions of damage in second

[zenith hazel]

but you are trying to add another layer to something already simple and good

[normal thorn]

Im just tryying to say that u can get so much damage bosses arent really challenging anymore

[zenith hazel]

that's not possible

[normal thorn]

Ah...

[frail mantle]

Do you even know how SCal, DoG and Yharon’s anti-butcher works

[placid moth]

What mode were you playing on ?

[zenith hazel]

even with post-scal tier items, they can't damage the bosses to the point where the anti-butcher activates

[ashen warren]

Looking at calamity, the accessories you can get pre SCal and weapons are strong enough for her, nothing too op

[normal thorn]

Well im using fargos soul and sacred tools mainly

[zenith hazel]

well, except vehemence

[frosty kindle]

if people want to play around with content from other mods, then let them be. it is simply their own experience they are altering

[placid moth]

That explains it

Fargo's Souls, and you complain about doing too much damage

[zenith hazel]

still, it doesn't mean that the bosses need to get reworked

[normal thorn]

Had no fargos items tho

Im not talking abou rework, just a feature

[placid moth]

Do you have an estimate of your DPS ?

For Yharon, SCal etc

[normal thorn]

I had sdfmg and menacing damage accessories

[zenith hazel]

that'd still be way too complex to implement

[frosty kindle]

too much code work alongside it just not being needed

[normal thorn]

Maybe its just because i already played over 300 hours of calamity

[frail mantle]

how do you get damage that high with an SDFMG

[normal thorn]

Idk

[zenith hazel]

considering yharon has 2-4 million hp, unless you can deal from 200k-400k in 1 hit, it shouldn't be possible for you to activate the anti-butcher

[zenith hazel]

the hp range is for all 4 difficulties

[normal thorn]

I read that

[placid moth]

What's your definition of "too much damage"

[normal thorn]

Amount of damage that makes bosses not really challenging

[zenith hazel]

when death adrenaline goes through the roof

[frosty kindle]

if there's already an anti-butcher/cheese mechanic in place, then there's no need to add another one.

[placid moth]

Dude, you need to give proper numbers.

[frail mantle]

^ what Fish said

[placid moth]

You said you were doing large amounts of damage to Calamity bosses, but what was your DPS ?

[normal thorn]

400k damage per second

[frosty kindle]

and yeah, actual evidence would be nice before going on a ramble

[zenith hazel]

yup, definitely adrenaline's work

[normal thorn]

With crystal bullets

[zenith hazel]

nvm, that's way too unlikely

[frail mantle]

I’m beginning to smell bullshit tbh

[frosty kindle]

yep, that defo sounds like other mod interference

[zenith hazel]

crystal bullets get nerfed hard post-ml

[frail mantle]

^

[ashen warren]

Accessories? Armor? Weapons?

[normal thorn]

I can try to recreate it when i get on my pc

[frail mantle]

also, SDFMG is severely underpowered for SCal

[zenith hazel]

we talking 87.5% here

[normal thorn]

I used heavenly gale for scal

[zenith hazel]

400k dps is almost impossible

[normal thorn]

Ill show you in 2 hours.

I dealt over million dps pre scal

[frail mantle]

With other mods, maybe

[normal thorn]

Prob cuz of mod damage accessories though

[frail mantle]

not with Calamity only

[zenith hazel]

[X] Doubt

[ashen warren]

Imp with only calamity items, no need to scale, done

[normal thorn]

Well its boring to play only calamity after like 10 walkthroughs

[zenith hazel]

try turning off every other mod and test your dps then

[normal thorn]

Ill try

[frosty kindle]

i said it once, i'll say it again:
There should be no "anti-fun" to people willing to play with other mods, even if the content/boosts they add are too powerful. It is simply their own experience they are changing.

[frail mantle]

^^^

[ashen warren]

"Prob cuz of mod damage accessories though"

Well there is your solution

[zenith hazel]

yeah, nothing wrong with using other mods alongside calamity, the problem here is complaining that damage is busted when you have other mods installed

[ruby cobalt]

balance things around themselves, not around other mods

[normal thorn]

ok sorry im wrong

[ruby cobalt]

also didnt that shit get shot down yesterday?

why was it here again

[frail mantle]

Ye, i think so

[zenith hazel]

it was just scal yesterday, now it's all 3 anti-butcher bosses

[ruby cobalt]

fucking great

[normal thorn]

i just thought of it when i was starting to sleep and just suggested it so i dont forget it

I thought it would be cool..

[ruby cobalt]

let me tell you this

[normal thorn]

Well you proved me wrong

[ruby cobalt]

this is terrarium's road

[normal thorn]

So i appologize

[ruby cobalt]

you dont want to take it

[normal thorn]

Please talk straight to me im not english native speaker lol i dont understand everything

[ashen warren]

Its all good, if you want it more challenging like it used to be, use only calamity accessories @normal thorn

[normal thorn]

I completed calamity 3 times without other mods. 2 times as mage and once as rogue

Mage was just too easy, in terms of homing projectiles, and rogue has not enough items

[zenith hazel]

terrarium is a big meme

[ruby cobalt]

there was this one guy who was nitpicking on literally everything and was pulling shit out of his ass

[normal thorn]

Oh

[ruby cobalt]

his every argument died whenever someone other than him looked at it

you can see our latest installment in "terrarium tries to nitpick" in general talk

[ashen warren]

@normal thorn difficulty?

[zenith hazel]

he has very high iq

[frail mantle]

The three suggestions legends: gbrad, terrarium and adir

[ruby cobalt]

don't be that guy, thanks

[zenith hazel]

yeah, not too familiar about gbrad

[normal thorn]

Revengeance first mage playthrough, death other

I only play death mode now

Its more enjoyable

[ashen warren]

Dont be too harsh to him guys, he already apologized and said he was wrong

[normal thorn]

Its ok

[ashen warren]

this is getting offtopic from discussion of suggestions and to-be suggested stuffs, let's get back on topic now

[zenith hazel]

alrighty, at least you acknowledged it

yeah, let's do that

[earnest raptor]

Thanks, guys.

[frosty kindle]

lets get this bread!

[earnest raptor]

🍞

[ashen warren]

I hit the goal too

I really like the leviathan summon

[frail mantle]

thank

if you look through my previous suggestions, you’ll see that i have a sort of soft spot for Summon weapons

[ashen warren]

I see how big would summon leviathan be tho? As big as normal?

[frail mantle]

Twice as big

[ashen warren]

[frail mantle]

probably a bit bigger than the Levi Pet, it wouldn’t be good if it was too big and just cluttered the entire screen

[ashen warren]

True, should have a decent size non the less

[frail mantle]

ye

[proven tide]

@glossy bough A) that's been suggested a load and B) that's a low-effort suggestion

I understand that there's not really much to elaborate on regarding that

[glossy bough]

do you wnat me to up the effort?

or is there not much else to explain

[ashen warren]

a bumblebirb pet is actually in the suggestion don'ts

[proven tide]

^

[glossy bough]

oof

[ashen warren]

it's been suggested so frequently that further suggestions aren't necessary

[glossy bough]

yeah https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/531666466622144512

[proven tide]

damn

remember when all the suggestion sprites were presented so professionally

[glossy bough]

lmao yeah

kudos to nightmare fuel

[frail mantle]

[gloomy hazel]

I feel like suggestions with a lot of explanations are what attracts the viewers the most. My previous suggestion for Calamitas as a town-NPC has gotten its 90 stars in less than 3 days, and my current suggestion is already halfway from the goal.
But does that mean I'm doing quantity over quality or quality over quantity? That's something I'm asking myself right now

[zenith hazel]

just because a suggestion is a wall of text doesn’t mean it’s good

look at adir’s suggestions for example

prioritize quality because even the short ones can get in

[frail mantle]

well-explained, clean and easy-to-understand suggestions do pretty well

[gloomy hazel]

Mmh, I thought the fact of pointing out the flaws was a way of making a suggestion

but okay then

[tired haven]

The key is to do everything good

[gloomy hazel]

but how do you see something good for example?

[tired haven]

It's subjective so you have to either look on other examples or just hope your phrasing melts the heart of people

And of course there should be good intent behind suggestion, as fixing some point or just being damn well new item

[gloomy hazel]

okay then, I guess it means mine is okay?

wait, do I feel like someone selfish, consdering that I keep talking about my own suggestions?

[frail mantle]

not really

i don't want to brag but look at my suggestions

[placid moth]

flex

[frail mantle]

they're simple, straight to the point, and i never make a suggestion if i feel like the reasoning is a bit weak

i know

[placid moth]

[frail mantle]

[gloomy hazel]

I can see your summon staff has gotten 100 stars, so, fair point

the Aquatic Maul

[hollow shell]

sprites help

[terse sundial]

indeed

[frail mantle]

true

[modest python]

PBG enrages in surface
I'm sorry how long has this been a feature? because if this has been around for a while I have just been making life harder for myself

[terse sundial]

It's been a thing for a long time afaik

[modest python]

welp that's good to know for my future runs so I don't fight it above ground again

[jaunty bronze]

Wait what

I never knew that about the PBG

[frail mantle]

exactly

most people don't know, therefore it'd be a good idea to let them know

[terse sundial]

mhm

I'd be cool with a tooltip, but maybe not make it unusable

[frail mantle]

hmm

maybe not

[smoky wagon]

Plaugebringer minibosses can spawn on surface jungle

so why does pbg enrage on surface

doesnt even make sense

[gloomy hazel]

My first fight against the PBG was on the surface, I too tought it had to be used in the jungle in general and not only in the underground jungle like Plantera.

[rocky needle]

If PBG enrages on the surface it needs to be buffed. I have only ever fought it above ground and it's still a pretty simple fight

[distant gyro]

the only thing one would notice in a PBG surface fight is the PB spam

[queen sail]

Pbg enrages on the surface?

I thought it was only if you went out of the jungle

[dusty stirrup]

Fuck I remember the urchin armor LOL

[sinful violet]

lets make it happen phup

[dusty stirrup]

Hellyes

[lost agate]

Swarmer with healing oh boy

[frail mantle]

could you please elaborate a bit more on the "why" of that one

[lost agate]

You know how many bees that shoots?

[frail mantle]

also self-star

[terse sundial]

but will it bypass canGhostHeal

[radiant meadow]

nebula armor checks for that

[cold terrace]

...urchin armor?

[terse sundial]

[void kelp]

every rogue attack also fires an urchin stinger

[cold terrace]

Brome, buff the slime rain............

[cobalt rose]

using urchin stinges with urchin armor

[small talon]

wait, it enrages on surface jungle? damn ive fought it on surface so much, literally noticed no difference.

[glossy bough]

alveare + training dummies

[radiant meadow]

you can't attack target dummies while a boss is alive

[radiant meadow]

@bronze ledge did you disable the config that prevents all spawns near npcs?

it also blocks critters

[bronze ledge]

oooh, I'll have to check that

yep, that was it

it would still be nice if there where some crystaline critters though

[radiant meadow]

perhaps in time

[queen sail]

Sunken Sea is by far my favorite modded biome in any Terraria mod tbh

Which is why I really hope it gets some love

[radiant meadow]

sounds a bit like you want the mod to fit your own needs

also iirc, thorium slimes are post plant

yharon is like 5 or 6 tiers higher

also about "nothing big", summons are the most painful weapons to code and sprite of the 5

[queen sail]

Didnt throwing also get yeeted because it was aids to code

[radiant meadow]

idk what Red's intentions were

[proven tide]

nightmare bee time

i have been told to try again

Nightmare Bee Mount
To honour the recent (three months ago is recent when the thing was missing for decades) rediscovery of the previously-thought-extinct Megachile pluto, more recognisable as the Nightmare Bee, and to capitalise further on my addiction to bees I suggest we add an upgraded Bee Mount.

The idea is simple:
— Big. Sharp. Black.
— Accelerates faster horizontally than the standard Bee Mount at the cost of mild reduction of vertical acceleration.
— Increased flight time.
— Giant sprite (think Jelly Bean) and ominous growl of a buzz when flying.
— Melee damage upon reaching high enough speeds is optional but preferable.
— Perhaps its most interesting mechanic: when mounted, all enemies around you will simply forget you're there and walk away (like Zombies at Dawn). Who wants to fight the Nightmare Bee?

Crafting recipe:
Bee Mount + 20 Nightmare Fuel. What is there to say?

We already have three post-Moon Lord mounts, so why add this one?
— It's not Revengeance-mode exclusive — it just needs Nightmare Fuel, which is an all-mode item. So this would be the only Expert/Normal Calamity Mount.
— It's a bee made of fear itself. Universal appeal.
— It gives the bees a conclusion to their upgrade line over the course of the game.

CRITICISE ME SO THAT I MAY BECOME WORTHY

[glossy bough]

sprite it

[proven tide]

pleasno

never sprited in my life

i am unfortunately untalented in that regard

[radiant meadow]

code it

[gloomy hazel]

You can give it a try, I use Piskelapp.com to make my sprites

Just pick the sprite of the bee summoned by the honeyed goggles, change its colors and tweak some details

[civic pond]

piskel is epic

[gloomy hazel]

Hey look what I've made now!

I called it the Mi-Ni Hind

[proven tide]

@ivory heart For that kind of suggestion it's best if you check first

[ivory heart]

I don’t think such a weapon exists though

Elemental Disk doesn’t consume itself upon use, same thing with Celeste’s

Celestus*

[proven tide]

Well yes, but checking to be sure helps

i mean, there isn't one, but

[queen delta]

Im pretty sure no cons weapon exist after ML

And consumable weapons suck anyway

[ivory heart]

Ok

Improved the crafting recipe to yield 250 javelins instead of 150

Adamantite/Titanium is overshadowed by even better stuff and the only end-game recognition was old gen console’s Ocram

Now only requires 2 Galactica Singularities/Bars of Life/Luminite Bars.

[radiant meadow]

you don't have to add numbers

they're subject to change anyways

[ivory heart]

Ok

They’re just my suggestion

[proven tide]

@gloomy hazel how does it shoot?

[gloomy hazel]

Oh wait, I forgot to add the detail about the shooting

It's like the drill mount where you can't use items, except that instead of mining, it shoots

[proven tide]

50 damage and a use time of 15
Firstly: STATS but secondly

That seems a bit off

@subtle sail that's been suggested loads of times

it's not a suggestion don't from the document but honestly don't bother

[arctic tapir]

my sunken chest idea got 165 stars

[proven tide]

oh my lowd owo

[frank stratus]

nani

[arctic tapir]

scroll a while

[proven tide]

did you just

complain about post-moon lord mounts

and then make a post-moon lord mount

[arctic tapir]

yikes!

[proven tide]

NOO :HyperSiren: has been PURGED

[arctic tapir]

f

[proven tide]

I'm not gonna miss :why: although seeing it in suggestions was fun but DAMNIT my reaction options have been cut to three-quarters

[gloomy hazel]

Hey, you want mounts? You want guns? Or both?

[arctic tapir]

Just guns, really

[gloomy hazel]

I like both

[arctic tapir]

mounts dont fit in terraria imo so

[gloomy hazel]

Why do you say so if people use mounts anyway?

[arctic tapir]

sorta like how fabsol doesnt think RoD fits

you use them because theyre good

however they dont feel like they really fit

[gloomy hazel]

Fabsol didn't invent the RoD, the official devs of Terraria made the RoD

[radiant meadow]

imagine if you saw a bee that big irl after killing another supersized bee

[arctic tapir]

the original devs of terraria made near every mount too bro

[gloomy hazel]

Wait, I thought you meant mounts in general

[arctic tapir]

yes mounts in general

the idea and usage of mounts

doesnt fit in terraria

not in combat anyway

[gloomy hazel]

And yet, there are many people who use mounts in fights

[arctic tapir]

people use them because they are useful

however

[gloomy hazel]

yes, they're useful

why bother?

[arctic tapir]

they make terrarias combat feel very different

movement is slightly slower and its just a space battle usually

however you use them because theyre good

[zenith hazel]

mounts can be useful for clutch situations

not to say they’re good in combat or whatever

[gloomy hazel]

And so what? Flying with wings is also like a space battle!

[radiant meadow]

there's no need to shut down someone else's opinion

[gloomy hazel]

I don't get it

[zenith hazel]

it’s a pretty cool idea if people are creative enough to use it effectively

[proven tide]

i want a nightmare bee :C

[zenith hazel]

but considering how fast things are post-ml, it could be difficult, who knows

[gloomy hazel]

Mmh...true

[zenith hazel]

the only thing that’s close to slow is polter

y’know, except when it yeets towards you

[gloomy hazel]

Brimrose's very fast when it comes to its top speed (62 mph), but like most mounts, lacks the swiftness required to dodge attacks

[lost agate]

who dodges stuff with those kind of mounts

people normally just use slime mount and bean for combat, the rest is just transport or building

[zenith hazel]

i could see the minicopter as a more accessible ufo mount and can be viable for ml but for the post-ml one, eh

[radiant meadow]

brimrose is useful

[lost agate]

ufo vs ML is not a good idea

[radiant meadow]

helps with polter and pml

and ufo could be used as an alternative to angel treads since they run at the same speed

[lost agate]

they do?

[radiant meadow]

ufo also can be a clutch for running out of flight time in like prov's fight

both go 41 mph

[lost agate]

oh, it felt slower for me so idk

[gloomy hazel]

uuuuhm...no, the UFO goes to 58 mph

[radiant meadow]

ufo goes 41 mph if you're not going diagnally

[gloomy hazel]

from the wikia at least

[zenith hazel]

so mounts can be useful but their usefulness is very niche i guess

in terms of combat i mean

[radiant meadow]

use gamepedia

[gloomy hazel]

oh

I never use gamepedia in fact

[radiant meadow]

well for Terraria, you should

[gloomy hazel]

No wait, I do use it for Terraria's wiki! (what an idiot am I...)

58 mph diagonal it shows

So anyway, on the wikia (gamepedia), it shows that the UFO goes up to 58 mph when moving diagonaly

[proven tide]

tadah

The real question is: two bee or not two bee (mounts)

I need feedback on my Nightmare 🅱oi™ plEase ;~;

[gloomy hazel]

sigh, I need some time alone

[dusty stirrup]

@muted bramble Just use warmth potion

[zenith hazel]

would that technically make destroyer too easy?

[arctic wren]

it wouldn't really change much imo
the green lasers are the main thing that destroyer harder than vanilla

[radiant meadow]

next update gives destroyer a fat nerf

[queen delta]

will it get any other nerf besides it not shooting when blocks are between

[radiant meadow]

don't think so (btw block cheese is banned for nohits most likely)

[queen delta]

oh well its still gonna be skybridge/unicorn run anyways

[proven tide]

I always just layer platforms and abuse the Starlight Wings

[strong yew]

There's already a elf helicopter mount in Spirit Mod iirc.

[real parrot]

the wooden throwing knives is an okay suggestion

i do have some complaints about it:

1. recipe is way too expensive
2. you can just mine iron/lead and make throwing knives that way if you really wanted throwing knives

[ashen warren]

Oh I didn't know u can craft norm throwing knives in calamity

[real parrot]

afaik you can

[ashen warren]

Ok cool u actually made my life easier thx

[real parrot]

@ashen warren https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Vanilla_item_recipes

under Weapons

[ashen warren]

Ok cool thx

[noble turret]

blue lazer is avoidable via warmth potion

so there's no need to nerf it plus it's rev/death which is a mode made to be hard

[true osprey]

Im not sure whats going on here, could someone explain to me?

[ruby cobalt]

PBG enrages on surface.

[true osprey]

since when?

[ruby cobalt]

Since like 2-3 updates ago.

[true osprey]

weve been fighting her on the surface on death mode and didnt have any trouble, so much for being enraged lul

[arctic wren]

can you not force us to make bigger arenas underground for her please because making arenas in the underground jungle is incredibly painful

[ruby cobalt]

no

[true osprey]

Ill probably keep fighting on the surface, cuz shes not really that much of a thread on the surface

[ruby cobalt]

@ashen warren already fixed

[ashen warren]

Oh.

Thanks.

[radiant meadow]

I mean exoblade already annhilates brimstone hearts

[arctic tapir]

I almost nohit peanut butter on surface wtf

[pliant bone]

That is literally a fuckton of items

[terse sundial]

We don't need an overwhelming amount of rainbow items either

even if it would mean free wiki points

[placid moth]

What

[ashen warren]

tbh i kinda dont like rainbow text in vanilla

[lost agate]

Rainbow text is really hard to read for me

[ashen warren]

Yeah its kind of excessive imo

[eager ivy]

just realized it didn't work like the other scythes my bad

[ashen warren]

i was expecting that

[lost agate]

@round night ashen/ancient stuff uses that

[ashen warren]

i literaly suggested the most minor and useless little detail in human historyy

[lost agate]

That doesnt mean its necessary

[placid moth]

Ok ?

[round night]

Ok

[warm tinsel]

Calamitous Cosmilite?

Anyone?

[placid moth]

Actually, fair point.

[ashen warren]

p good

me likey

[placid moth]

But then again, wouldn't CV just destroy itself in a black hole, so its whole physical form is gone ?

[warm tinsel]

Thanks

It should still drop that though.
Cosmilite would finally get lore relevance and we could farm it fairly.

[placid moth]

What would Calamitous Cosmilite do ?

[teal ibex]

not to attack the people who did it, but isn't it kinda disingenuous to repost a suggestion to give the old one votes instead of giving it new votes? makes it kinda unfair to anybody who isn't actively keeping track of the repost timing and will likely encourage a ton of unnecessary reposting imo

i might have misread a former post actually lemme just be sure im not insane

[teal ibex]

its just the helmet afaik, not the set bonus

[fierce hedge]

Ah ye. I gotta change that.

I edited the suggestion

It should be good now

[queen delta]

Yeah i hope this old suggestion repost thing stops

Theres a reason it didnt get much stars

Both of my recent suggestions are still getting some stars even when theres 30 suggestions after

[fierce hedge]

Are you talking about my post or someone else's post @queen delta

[queen delta]

Ferox’s and one other from a few days ago

[fierce hedge]

Ah alright. I can see why

[ashen warren]

I'm sorry. :)

i can delete my repost to make it fair

[queen sail]

...

What

[dusty stirrup]

@kind siren You should atleast include a reason why you'd want this put into the mod

[kind siren]

o sorry

[queen delta]

If you already did it, thats fine

Im just saying im hoping i dont see anymore of this, but if the general opinion disagrees with me, then oh well

[civic quail]

I have a suggestion, a post yharon P2 sword that is best for supreme calamitas, I'll paste in the info later and I need feedback whether I should actually suggest it

it shoots nebula arcanums, which you know... bounces on walls

[queen delta]

We’re set for melee on that stage tho

3 weapns

Ark of the cosmos, exoblade, and ataraxia

[queen sail]

AotC is probably one of the best tbh

Also how would a sword that fires nebula arcanums be of any help, again?

[civic pond]

more damage

[queen sail]

[civic quail]

rage mode/adrenaline dps

[civic pond]

now hol up

[queen sail]

Imagine using rage mode

Okay but still

That’s not the point

[civic pond]

we already have an upgraded nebula arcanum no?

[queen delta]

Melee is perfectly fine

[queen sail]

Aotc already does a good amount of damage and (iirc and probably) ignores inv frames

[civic pond]

polter drop

[queen delta]

How about some love for rogue?

[civic pond]

also i think like half the weapons are melee tbh

[queen sail]

@queen delta wait for rogue update

[civic pond]

n

[fierce hedge]

I like how Melee is fun but in Early-Pre-HM it's hell

[civic pond]

cuz they dont shoot projectiles

starfury gang

[civic quail]

maybe a rogue knives that shoots crystals , homes and explodes into small nebula arcanums

[civic pond]

again with the arcanums

[fierce hedge]

Just have weapons shoot projectiles but let them do less damage

[queen sail]

👓 Swords are melee weapons

👀 Swords are mana-free magic weapons

[fierce hedge]

Oh shit

[civic pond]

insert mirror blade meme

[fierce hedge]

[radiant meadow]

Aegis blade then

[civic pond]

that too?

[radiant meadow]

Alt fire

[civic pond]

oh.

[fierce hedge]

Only reason why people play mage is bc of more damage

[civic pond]

i mean mage is good

ehhh

[fierce hedge]

I was just memeing

[queen sail]

Of course it is

It has the meme book

[civic pond]

[queen sail]

[civic pond]

Why bother using yharons crystal for its intended purpose

you can have infinite dynamite pre Yharon

[radiant meadow]

That costs mana though

[queen sail]

So do the seed bags from thorium

And jfc they cost a chunk of mana just to place a few seeds

[fierce hedge]

When you realize Subsuming Vortex is better than Apotheosis

[radiant meadow]

Except Yharim's Crystal costs way more

[fierce hedge]

[queen sail]

When you realize Apotheosis EX is better than Subsuming Vortex

[radiant meadow]

Alright, back to discussing actual suggestions

[civic pond]

yes.

[fierce hedge]

Yeah

Change Daedalus Helmet.

[civic pond]

Pretty sure suggesting a melee weapon is a dead end

[queen sail]

Also uh

We never really let the guy explain why he wanted the arcanum sword

[civic pond]

probably because random op cool sword

[queen sail]

Do bosses actually enrage when gravity is enabled

I don’t remember that being in the changelogs

[civic pond]

ah revengance.

[real parrot]

mechs do

not sure about other bosses

[civic pond]

oh

if its just mechs then thats perfectly fine to me

[radiant meadow]

Mechs in rev+

[civic pond]

Thank god i dont use gravity anyways

makes me wanna vomit

[radiant meadow]

As well as aquatic scourge and main Astrum deus worm in all modes

[fierce hedge]

Still. You still use it for propably only mech bosses

[real parrot]

grav pots are good for finding floating islands though

[queen sail]

Only time i use gravity is early prehm to find some sky islands tbh

[civic pond]

can you disable the grav thing though?

[radiant meadow]

No

[fierce hedge]

Since after mechs, You can get Chlorophyte

[civic pond]

crap

[radiant meadow]

If you mean Daedalus

[civic pond]

i hate when i accidently hit W

[fierce hedge]

^

[queen sail]

Imagine making W Up instead of Jump

[fierce hedge]

I do it all the time when doing Mechs

[civic pond]

eh

[queen sail]

Seriously why do people stick to W being up and not Jump

[real parrot]

why do you have W as jump

[civic pond]

[real parrot]

just use the spacebar lmao

[fierce hedge]

I don't.

[queen sail]

Because it’s better than using spacebar

[radiant meadow]

Then have up unbound

[queen sail]

[fierce hedge]

I just accidentally press W

[real parrot]

also, i use Up for the set bonuses (e.g. vortex)

[fierce hedge]

[civic pond]

not a bad idea

[queen sail]

The only time the gravity set bonus would piss you off by accidentally pressing it is if your controls get scrambled by the Confused debuff

Other than that i know when and when not to press the spacebar

[radiant meadow]

Up is just for ropes and vortex/stardust set bonuses iirc

[civic pond]

Now whats wrong with upgraded beenades exactly..?

[queen sail]

Uh

Not much i guess

[civic pond]

idk

its a common suggested

[radiant meadow]

It's already someone's patron item

[civic pond]

ah

ok

[radiant meadow]

That's the issue

[civic pond]

i hope they're decent beenades then

[queen sail]

In the next update?

[real parrot]

i hope that the new beenades are ranged as well

[queen sail]

All beenades will be

When 1.3.6 comes out of course

[real parrot]

technically they already are

tooltip has wrong damage type

[radiant meadow]

Upgraded beenades will probably be rogue

[civic pond]

oh no

beenades are dead to me now

[queen sail]

What

[civic quail]

It's the sword idea that I thought of, accidentally pressed send

[queen sail]

What do you mean accidentally

You can post it here without repercussions

[civic quail]

I was editing it

[radiant meadow]

Stellar striker and galactus are already used in recipes

[civic pond]

about suggestions

is creating a sprite worth it?

[queen sail]

Depends

[civic quail]

i made a sprite for mine lol

[queen sail]

For some reason a sprite means that people somehow think it’s more likely gonna get in the game

[radiant meadow]

Resprites just look lazy imo

[queen sail]

[radiant meadow]

But sprites tend to net more stars

[civic quail]

damn it

[queen sail]

Why

[radiant meadow]

Idk

[civic pond]

i mean how hard is spriting a sword for example

[queen sail]

Just draw one side of the sword

Copy and flip it

Then point at it a 45 degree angle

Done

[civic pond]

thats

basically it

talk about overkill

the sprite is cool though

[radiant meadow]

oh I remember now

but like I said, probably best if you don't use striker or galactus blade

and you should add a reason for adding it

[civic pond]

there are plenty of other swords to choose from tbh

[queen sail]

“Enemy defense = 0” = Health draining debuff
Most of the enemies that have 0 defense are early game enemies

[civic pond]

i miss the old grand guardian

[distant gyro]

SCal though

[radiant meadow]

scal has zero defense

[civic pond]

[queen sail]

Does she not?

[cyan lagoon]

she used to have defense

but not anymore

[civic quail]

"Has chance to lower enemy defense by __"

[radiant meadow]

she has like 70% damage reduction

[civic quail]

Yeah I got a reason for suggesting it

[distant gyro]

also another exo-tier sword suggestion

[civic pond]

yes

plenty of exo's

[radiant meadow]

there's already 4 auric tier melee weapons and 6 shadowspec tier melee weapons

[civic quail]

I took out striker and replaced with nebula arcanum, dunno about galactus

[radiant meadow]

so there better be a good reason

[queen sail]

I think the only reason people want more exo tier weapons is so that they can be wowed by the overpoweredness tbh

[civic pond]

basically

You see most people suggesting weapons post DoG at least

[civic quail]

hmm

[civic pond]

and i just want a pre mech flail similar to nebulash

[civic quail]

I'll just take out the crafting suggestion then

[queen sail]

If anything yoyos need some support after dog

[radiant meadow]

why do you want a nebulash like flail?

[distant gyro]

another note that all of the exo-melee weapons are swords

[queen sail]

Considering it just skips from obliterator to azathot

[civic pond]

flairon for example

doesn't pierce

[radiant meadow]

I think there will eventually be a yoyo yharon drop

[civic pond]

also what the hell do i call weapons like nebulash

or flairon

[queen sail]

Yharyo

[radiant meadow]

swung flails

[civic pond]

not really clear

[queen sail]

[radiant meadow]

flairon is a launched flail

[civic pond]

ah ok

[queen sail]

Also should clam crusher be nerfed

[civic pond]

sunfury?

[radiant meadow]

more like ball of yharn

[queen sail]

It’s the most broken harpoon weapon tbh

[civic pond]

👀

[queen sail]

Like

[distant gyro]

sunfury is a grav-affected launched flail afaik

[radiant meadow]

sunfury doesn't count as launched

[civic pond]

its just a flail

[radiant meadow]

or swung

[queen sail]

Sunfury functions as and is a flail

[civic pond]

literally just a flail

[queen sail]

Clam crusher looks like a flail but functions like the harpoon

[distant gyro]

more like thrown flail

[civic pond]

I've been trying to think of a flail i could suggest

and i won't do a resprite

[radiant meadow]

thrown flail works, ye

thrown flails, launched flails, swung flails

[civic pond]

You think suggesting a swung flail would be good?

[distant gyro]

PostML thrown flails if those aren't suggested already

[civic pond]

because thrown ones aren't very useful later on tbh

[civic quail]

Cosmic Blade

What it is:
A large melee sword that shoots small nebula arcanums. A swing of a sword shoots these projectiles in an angle.

Has chance to lower enemy defense by __ and a really low chance to inflict Cosmic Wound
If enemy defense is 0 or below your attacks inflict Cosmic Wound

Cosmic Wound is a debuff that drains a large amount of health on an enemy.

Why I want it to be added:

It's basically a weapon for closed-space arenas. The Nebula Arcanum bounce on walls and it'll be a great idea to deal a large amount of DPS if the boss/enemy stays still. They also home which is a good sword for farming enemies.

[radiant meadow]

flower pow isn't even that good

[civic pond]

blehg

[radiant meadow]

the last viable thrown flail is dao of pow

[cyan lagoon]

pre/post mech launcher flail sounds broken tbh

[civic pond]

i need more swung flails

[cyan lagoon]

[civic pond]

there are only like 3 in game anyways

[cyan lagoon]

thats not a good reason, balancing is a problem

[civic pond]

and i cant even count how many swords exist

[distant gyro]

4 iirc

[civic pond]

balancing

[radiant meadow]

there's 4, ye

[civic pond]

oh.

[distant gyro]

CD, Nebulash, Eruption, Mourningstar

[cyan lagoon]

it's relatively fast, goes through walls, and deals a shitton of damage because it hits from each of its parts

[civic pond]

k

fair point.

now how do i nerf that into oblivion

[radiant meadow]

well, you might need the oblivion yoyo for that

[civic pond]

nebulash has like what 70 base damage?

[distant gyro]

make it wooden and do one damage, that'll do

[civic pond]

on a dummy it goes to like 700

i can fix this

[distant gyro]

swung flails do damage every tick or something so it's like base*60 dps

[civic pond]

thats not too bad...?

[radiant meadow]

not if they have iframes

like solar eruption

or mourningstar

or cosmic discharge

[civic pond]

or nebulash

wat

[radiant meadow]

nebulash has a lot fewer i frames if any at all

the other 3 cause like an explosion or something

[distant gyro]

so how much damage would it have to be in theory to not be a bork'd weapon

[civic pond]

base damage?

[radiant meadow]

idk

probably would start somewhere like with serpentine

and then find out oh fuck, why is it so overpowered and end at 25% of the base power originally

[civic pond]

[radiant meadow]

serpentine had like 40 base dmg originally

[civic pond]

serpentine was a flail?

i dont remember crap

[radiant meadow]

no, mage weapon from the sunken sea

[civic pond]

oh.

I was thinking pre mech flail would have like 30 or less base dmg

no explosions

[distant gyro]

@civic quail big if, why is there "if post-dog" in there when earlier in the recipe it asks for darksun fragments

[civic quail]

oh wait

[terse sundial]

[civic pond]

hm mm me mmemeef

another exo weapon?

[distant gyro]

looks like post-darksun

[civic pond]

h

[terse sundial]

also I would have Cosmic Wound be replaced with God Slayer Inferno or something

[pliant bone]

I could see it somewhat working for SCal if it was an exo-weapon?

somewhat

[civic pond]

yeah thats a debuff and weapon suggestion in one

[terse sundial]

it would be wise is that was changed

[distant gyro]

there's already 3 exo-tier swords so some people rioted against having it be exo-tier

[civic pond]

so

[pliant bone]

Yeah

[civic pond]

about my pre mech flail

[cyan lagoon]

there's already 3 exo-swords

uhh thats not true

exoblade is the only exo sword

[radiant meadow]

there's actually four swords at that tier

[distant gyro]

Ark, Exoblade, Ataraxia. Am I missing something?

[cyan lagoon]

ark of the cosmos and ataraxia are completely different

[civic pond]

i mean "exo" is kind of a loose term

[civic quail]

fixed...

[civic pond]

[terse sundial]

ataraxia

[radiant meadow]

I prefer the term auric tier

[cyan lagoon]

^

[civic pond]

thats fair

[terse sundial]

also you have if it's post DoG, yet you still have post-DoG ingredients in it's main recipe

[radiant meadow]

endothermic energy and nightmare fuel are post dog still

[distant gyro]

there's still the moons stuff in there though..

[radiant meadow]

so either post moon lord or post dog

both tiers already have an abundance of swords

[distant gyro]

tbh we could do with a sentinel melee weapon other than mirror blade

[civic pond]

every tier has an abundance of swords

holy crap

Mirror blade

mAnA swORd

[radiant meadow]

okay fine, post prov and dark sun tier are like exceptions

[civic pond]

soooo

how about a flail that drops from brimmy

ofc base damage has to be low.

[distant gyro]

flail that drops from brimbo bruh

[civic pond]

idk brimmy seems fitting for it

not enough swung flails

[pliant bone]

Brimblail

[civic pond]

Brim(insertweaponame)

[distant gyro]

maybe crafted with charred ore idk

[pliant bone]

Tbh

[civic pond]

i was thinking dropped directly from her

but that works too

no explosions

but it inflicts that flames debuff

[distant gyro]

wait no there's already a couple of swords from those

[civic pond]

crafting it is

[cyan lagoon]

speaking of mirror blade i thought of a terrible idea

[distant gyro]

I guess a swung flail from brim would do?

[pliant bone]

Making it crafted by charred ore would make it post-mech tier as you need a hallowed pick

[cyan lagoon]

specifically having melee projectiles all cost mana

[civic pond]

🤢

[cyan lagoon]

i think it makes sense on paper

[civic pond]

but in game

[pliant bone]

Even true memee ones?

[cyan lagoon]

but execution will probably just be a mess

true melee is fine

only ones that fire a projectile on swing

[civic pond]

Real og's use mantis claws

anyways

charred ore swung flail

i gotta go figure this out.

[distant gyro]

another idea, make it pre-cryo

[civic pond]

i fucking WISH

[radiant meadow]

pre hardmode tbh

[pliant bone]

Prebosses

[distant gyro]

so there's a bigger gap between said suggested weapon and nebulash

[radiant meadow]

skeletron needs some good melee weapons

[civic pond]

good point

we dont have any prehm swung flails

do we

[distant gyro]

also hive mind and skelly

[cyan lagoon]

oh i just realized

range

[pliant bone]

A flail from the calamity evil bosses?

[civic pond]

soooo

crafted?

[distant gyro]

flail from eow

[civic pond]

aw hell no

[distant gyro]

after all, it's a worm

[cyan lagoon]

possibly make range very short and dont make it go through walls

[civic pond]

short range defeats the purpose

[distant gyro]

or make the use time high and it swings like really slowly

[civic pond]

i can deal with the no walls part

so

6 base damage

[cyan lagoon]

it being a screen long in range could mean a whole lot

[distant gyro]

wait no, if it's slower then it has more time to stay inside the enemies

[civic pond]

yikes

[distant gyro]

that's an abort right there

[civic pond]

also remember

solar eruption for example does less damage from far away

swung flails are hella inaccurate

[pliant bone]

Does the crimson have a pre-evil boss flail

[civic pond]

wat

[radiant meadow]

does the meatball count?

[civic quail]

cosmic blade if it's auric tier

[civic pond]

meatball is throwin aint it?

[distant gyro]

pre-evil flail? :bol: o hurt

[civic pond]

yeah that one

[radiant meadow]

is that demonshade?

[civic pond]

OH

[distant gyro]

also the meatbol is the crimson ver yes

[pliant bone]

I was thinking of making the flail craftable using Bol o hurt/Meatbol and some other material

[civic pond]

i'll use meteorite in the recipe then

kinda follows the spacey theme i think..?

i'd rather have it work like a normal swung flail minus the explosions and extra debuffs

[radiant meadow]

why not astral bars?

[civic pond]

prehm

wat

[radiant meadow]

wait, you're talking about phm flail

[civic pond]

yeah

[gloomy hazel]

I got 90 stars for my suggestion on the rework for the lore in-game

[civic pond]

meteorite would be perfect

i'll just make the base damage low.

no explosions.

[distant gyro]

now come up with a good name for it

[civic pond]

i can do this

I am the edgynamegenerator

should i sprite it?

[pliant bone]

Meteor strike

[distant gyro]

also I don't think meteor will be enough since you want a weapon for skelly that can be obtained in pre-boss

[civic pond]

why pre boss

[distant gyro]

meteor is pre-boss in theory

[civic pond]

it is?

oh.

[radiant meadow]

tier wise it is not though

[distant gyro]

you can smash some orbs and get it with le bombs

[civic pond]

i'll just use meteorite and (insert other crafting item)

like post hive or something

idk

[gloomy hazel]

Hat Kid, can you checkmark the suggestion I made about the rework of the lore in-game? It got 90 stars

[distant gyro]

no we need a memee wep for hive

[civic pond]

im trying

[radiant meadow]

no, I can't

[civic pond]

also should i take some time to sprite it?

[gloomy hazel]

Ah...

[radiant meadow]

I can't deliver stuff to the dev server

[gloomy hazel]

Oh right

But can you contact a dev for that then?

[civic pond]

e

[distant gyro]

just wait until rover sees it or sth

[pliant bone]

Just wait.
They usually put the check in waves

[gloomy hazel]

Mmh, alright

[civic pond]

alright

So pre skeletron

[radiant meadow]

there's no point in contacting a dev or rushing the process

[civic pond]

post ____?

[distant gyro]

post-first evil would be ideal

[radiant meadow]

suggestion porting is mainly done by Rover and sometimes Pinkie or Cob
They have lives too I think

[civic pond]

or hell why not pre slime gods

[gloomy hazel]

Okay okay, I'm not asking to rush it or anything related to "accelerate the process"

[pliant bone]

Upgrade the blue moon?

[gloomy hazel]

I just wanted to be sure it's noticed

[radiant meadow]

more like use sunfury instead

[civic pond]

i like that idea

but

[distant gyro]

what? the night's flail?

[civic pond]

[radiant meadow]

sunfury can probably be obtained like 10-20 minutes after blue moon if you're lucky

[gloomy hazel]

I wasn't aware that it was made in waves as you say

[civic pond]

im trying to get a swung flail tho

not a thrown one

[radiant meadow]

you just need to find a shadow key and head to the crags

[civic pond]

also i was thinking its craftable

meteorite + blue moon?

[distant gyro]

I mean, if you want a space themed swung flail, you could do with Aerialite+Meteorite

[civic pond]

post hive pre skelly

perfecto

[gloomy hazel]

Anyway, I really like the sprite of the Cosmic Blade

[civic pond]

im going to attempt spriting it

just to get an idea

[gloomy hazel]

And what are you going to do with the sprite?

[civic pond]

what do you mean

[gloomy hazel]

I don't know, you say that you're gonna attempt spriting the Cosmic Blade

[civic pond]

i never said that

im spriting a FLAIL

[gloomy hazel]

I thought you were responding to me...

Guuuh! I hate being ignored, it always lead to confusion when I think I'm not!

Like seriously

[civic pond]

So should i use the meteor color scheme or aerialite

[distant gyro]

Blue/Brown mix

[civic pond]

fuck no

[distant gyro]

oh god that's terrible now that I think about it..... Dark Blue?

[civic pond]

a

yes.

dark blue and orange it is

or just dark blue nvm

yes yes

flail is coming along nicely

[distant gyro]

now make a flail animation for bruhness

[civic pond]

oh shit

[distant gyro]

tbh dark blue flail sounds like a cosmic discharge ripoff

[civic pond]

and whats mourning star then

solar flare ripoff

i almost wanna go with nights flail at this point ngl

[radiant meadow]

given that solar flare is a yoyo, I'd say no

[civic pond]

WAIT SHIT

thEY ALl sOUnD the SAMe

fuCk

[smoky wagon]

Why is that recipe so expensive 🤔

15 cores of calamity lol

[elfin maple]

Also, the plural of "arcanum" is "arcana"

[civic pond]

OK done

oh god thats tiny

[queen sail]

smol

[civic pond]

woops

shall i expand it

[queen sail]

hey at least you managed to capture the realistic size of yharim's cock

[civic pond]

the armor makes up for it righT

ok now its a little bigger

i forgot to crop

so uh