suggestions-discussion

[normal thorn]

I always wanted some cool comples weapons in calamity

[ashen warren]

There are lots of them.

[normal thorn]

Oh

[ashen warren]

Oh and, you removed everything but the 2 least useful aspects.

[normal thorn]

[ashen warren]

Hyperius and the damage scaling.

I'd keep the splitting, to keep in theme with da- oh

[normal thorn]

Well hyperius cuz it has thoose colours

[ashen warren]

Dark spark.

Is a patron item, you'd need to ask vorbis.

[normal thorn]

Ooh...

Damn alright

[ashen warren]

Didn't even register that

[normal thorn]

;-; kms

[ashen warren]

Don't do that.

[normal thorn]

So what should i do

Remove suggestion

[ashen warren]

Remove spark I guess.

Keep the suggestion, just rework it.

[normal thorn]

Ahh the weapon is built all around it..

Sad

[ashen warren]

[normal thorn]

Ok well ill try

Ill better make a new suggestion and remove this one

[ashen warren]

If you want.

[normal thorn]

Because it is basically a spark upgrade lol

[ashen warren]

Always remember: "Don't write suggestions just for the sake of writing suggestions. Make sure there is actually a reason to have what you're suggesting."

[normal thorn]

Yeah

I just wanted a ranger weapon that is shooting beams and easily killing hoardes of enemies

Because some ranger weapons lack penetration

And fashion

[ashen warren]

I'd really just say use the Aether's Whisper, but penetration yeah

[royal turtle]

dark sequence is my weapon suggestion good

[ashen warren]

It's alright, and serves to diversify rogue a bit.

Melee does not need any new weapons

yeah it does

They have like 3x the others or smth.

Fulguration upgrade

oh y es

Super important

Fulguration upgrade for xeroc just you wait.

[frosty kindle]

Fulguration Halberd used in Exo-spear crafting recipe when

[ashen warren]

That implies that fab doesn't just can the exo tier as to not make it redundant

Like the elemental tier

[hollow shell]

@empty geyser c'mon man
At least come up with some ideas for dyes

[ashen warren]

Plague, Auric-Yellow, Brimstone, Abyssal, Goozma

Though fab don't like cosmetics so ech

Yea, like I said just download shaderlib, secret dyes, and dyehard.

dyehard
that pun hurts me in ways I never wanted

It's pretty bad yea.

The mod's good though.

[frosty kindle]

afaik this remains true (glacial state immunity)?

[ashen warren]

Warmth potion tho

[terse sundial]

nope

Warmth pot no longer provides immunity to glacial state

[ashen warren]

Glacial state is barely used after cryo anyway.

[terse sundial]

^

[ashen warren]

Destroyer and that's it iirc.

[hollow shell]

Asgard's Valor and Asgardian Aegis are indeed the only items that give immunity to Glacial State

[ashen warren]

So, the one thing that utilizes this debuff drops the material for the item that blocks it.

Item upgrades anyways

[frosty kindle]

i guess that(asgard's valor provides g.state immunity) would slightly contest Guwahavel's suggestion, although Frost Flare could use G.state immunity, i guess? or is such not needed?

[hollow shell]

@smoky wagon

[ashen warren]

revert warmth pls

It would make frost flare viable for wormo.

[frosty kindle]

i don't have too much opinion on suggestions that buff a small aspect, or at least i am simply not the best with being on the support or the contest side

[ashen warren]

Fish's only weakness.

[frosty kindle]

besides, some devs may not want immunity to g.state so early in HM anyways

[radiant meadow]

Didn't frost flare used to give gs immunity?

[frosty kindle]

afaik no, although i could be wrong

[normal thorn]

ok i made a new suggestion

[ashen warren]

Mage or ranged?

[normal thorn]

oh yeah ranged i forgot to add it

[ashen warren]

Or does it have split damage like whisper?

Kay

[normal thorn]

instead of split damage it creates a black hole

that damages

If u think i need to change smthng tell me

[empty geyser]

This is why I just put "Add new dyes"

So people can discuss ideas here

I want more ppl to come up with ideas for dyes

[hollow shell]

Then send the suggestion here first instead of the suggestions channel

[empty geyser]

Because my ideas wouldn't be enough obviously

k cool

The first thing I can think of is Astrum Dye

[hollow shell]

Pretty much all the big Calamity concepts have distinct enough palettes and themes to be made into dyes

[empty geyser]

Exactly

Sulphur bubbles dye

Abyssal dye

Brimstone dye

Look how much Calamity adds

...that can be made into dyes.

[queen delta]

Heres a list of dyes I came up with related to Calamity:
Ashen Flames Dye
Brimstone Dye
Profaned Dye
Abyssal Depths Dye
Voidstone Dye
pee sea Sulphurous Sands Dye
Astral Chunk Dye
Shifting Astral Sands Dye
Cosmilite Dye
Nightmare Dye (Nightmare Fuel)
Endothermic Dye (Endothermic energy)
Darksun Dye
(👀) Calamitous Dye (calamitous essence)

You can add those examples to your suggestion if you want, just use commas to separate them rather than a new line as well as a reason why (a good thoughtful reason), and your suggestion will look more credible. I like this idea tho!

[pliant bone]

Phantasmal Dye

[dusty stirrup]

I don't recall psychotic amulet being part of elemental gauntlet?

[ashen warren]

It isn't.

It's only in auric iirc.

[dusty stirrup]

Ye

[lucid marsh]

Oh I’m dumbass then

[bitter drift]

@queen delta every ore Dye
there is copper Iron Gold and Silver why not wolfram victide aerolite cryonic perennial chaotic and ulibloob dyes

[ashen warren]

Dev item suggestions aren't allowed.

[frail mantle]

if any of the devs want dev items or dev armor sets, they'll ask for them

[proven tide]

for penetration purposes

I just realised this

[ashen warren]

oh god vetus why

[noble turret]

why a piercing weapon when yharon is a single target boss

[zenith hazel]

maybe for events?

[noble turret]

well what event are you going to do pre yharon

[ashen warren]

The moons?

[vocal fulcrum]

The pillars that already are grinded through?

[bitter drift]

astral the ass

or however you say the first astral boss

[zenith hazel]

astrum aureus?

[bitter drift]

yes

[frail mantle]

we don't really need more Rogue weapons for Prov

Xeroc Pitchforks do pretty well against her iirc

[zenith hazel]

xeroc forks destroy provi anyway

[bitter drift]

wait wot pitch fork

[zenith hazel]

xeroc pitchforks

[bitter drift]

i'm a lode of 💩

[ashen warren]

pretty well
Even after the nerf they're really good.

[zenith hazel]

also what the heck does "they can't brake the fragment of reality that grate in the fight this make them weak and terrible against them even if they are unreal" even mean

[bitter drift]

i have only 9 meld blob bars and no mats to get them

[ashen warren]

Then uh, get more?

[bitter drift]

i have to do the lunar event again

i hate the lunar event

[frail mantle]

just fight Aureus then

[ashen warren]

If you didn't farm nebula for like 30 minutes you need to do so anyway.

[bitter drift]

you can?

[frail mantle]

@ashen warren see: Moonlight and Cosmolight

[ashen warren]

You need lots of meld blobs, I always shoot for like 500.

Wait what

Mods?

[frail mantle]

oh wait Aureus doesn't drop meld blobs

[ashen warren]

An enchanted moondial?

If you want a blood moon use a blood relic.

You can’t use it during the day

Then use cosmolight.

7 hellstone bars, 5 souls of light + 7 frigid bars and 5 souls of night.
These craft daylight and moonlight respectively, combine them for free to get cosmolight.

[bitter drift]

i killed aureus didn't get any meld blob

[ashen warren]

Yes, that was already said.
Aureus don't drop blobs.

[bitter drift]

then what to do then to restart the lunar event

[ashen warren]

What do you think?

[bitter drift]

idk

[ashen warren]

just
kill cultist

[bitter drift]

then restart the lunar event grate

[zenith hazel]

lunar events ain't that hard with post-ml gear fam

[ashen warren]

This server really needs a spoonfeed emote smh.

[zenith hazel]

^

[bitter drift]

😦

[marsh gust]

🥄
also i sense this chat going off topic

[ashen warren]

Not hard, lunar events boring.
That's why they suggested the spear.

I'd suggest the emote thing if I could draw ngl.

[marsh gust]

theres a rogue version of elemental disk right?

[ashen warren]

Yes.

[zenith hazel]

yes but adir's suggesting a better weapon for provi, even tho xeroc forks are there

[marsh gust]

disk actually does alot of dps if used correctly im not the guy to ask how from tho

[void kelp]

disc does a lot of work, yeah

[bitter drift]

@void kelp no they don't on prov
i think they need to go to max range first before they brake reality (the thing that make them good) and at prove they don't have the space

also i suggested it cuz i didn't know forks were a thing

[frail mantle]

disk is good for the guardian phase iirc

[bitter drift]

yes i agree but not for prov her self

[frail mantle]

and pitchforks works for Prov herself

[bitter drift]

yes that was what i did in the fight against her (after i knew forks were a thing)

[bitter drift]

hey is there a frozen block that you can mine only post mech boss pre planterra

[frail mantle]

i don't think so

[bitter drift]

so i need a new block

[pliant bone]

Cryonic ore exists.

But it is mech tier

[zenith hazel]

why do we need another frozen ore tho

chlorophyte is available at that point and hell, daedalus is still viable

[bitter drift]

not ore this is a part of an older suggestion (yesterday a person i think asked of me to finish his suggestion) his suggestion is about essences ore (chaotic eliume and sunlight)

[pliant bone]

Why is he asking you to do his suggestion

[frail mantle]

essence ores have been suggested before

[pliant bone]

That is just plain lazy.

[bitter drift]

yes but he wanted me to finish it i think (just look up in here)

[pliant bone]

But we really dont need another cryonic ore clone in mech/post-mech tier

Like we already have 2 ice related bars

[zenith hazel]

there’s 2?

[bitter drift]

no this is like elium ore smelt to the essence

[quiet abyss]

Frigid bars and cryonic bars

[zenith hazel]

essences ain’t that hard to farm

oh yeah

thought you meant ores

[bitter drift]

yes but this was the suggestion (ore of the essences)

[zenith hazel]

just use zerg and you have pretty much the same result

[bitter drift]

like an chaotic essence ore will take (brimstone slag the essence and stone) sunlight will be planty mash

[pliant bone]

Why would we need a seperate ore again

[zenith hazel]

that would make it way too easy

and render mobs dropping essences obsolete

[bitter drift]

yes this was the suggestion i can and probably will drop it

and if we are taking about the essences
sunlight essence is a bit to hard to get like (cinder clouds sunlight bats wyverns?!)

[zenith hazel]

yeah they’re easy to farm

[bitter drift]

suuure

[zenith hazel]

have you tried using zerg?

[bitter drift]

yes

[pliant bone]

Torrential tear + Zerg?

[zenith hazel]

^

[bitter drift]

doesn't make it better make it worst

[zenith hazel]

the hell does that even mean?

it does make it better because you get tons of essences

[bitter drift]

could elementals and to many flying fishes and slime that cinders don't spawn

[zenith hazel]

on a sky island...

zerg there and tons of harpies/saucers/wyverns spawn

just focus on the things that do drop essences

[quiet abyss]

Zerging during rain also helps
Since the rain cloud enemies can drop sunlight

[placid moth]

it's not cinders anymore adir

[bitter drift]

still the fish are a big problem (yes i want to get ded in a second by the space mini boss)

[quiet abyss]

Flying fish should get killed easily by the time you reach hardmode

[zenith hazel]

imagine dying to a fish in hm

oh wait, fishron

[quiet abyss]

And you can avoid the space ufo enemy by zerging during rain on the surface

[bitter drift]

yes but the problem with them is that there will be too much flying fishes

[zenith hazel]

but yeah, zerging is effective

[placid moth]

fishron is easy unless maso

[quiet abyss]

Again, flying fish dies easily to hardmode gear
Just get a nice piercing weapon and keep killing them

[zenith hazel]

you don’t even need rain

just stormbow + holy arrows everything

[bitter drift]

yes i agree but there are to much flying fishes they don't let cinder clouds spawn

[quiet abyss]

Keep killing the fishes so the clouds can spawn in their place

[bitter drift]

every cloud i kill 5 fishes spawn

[zenith hazel]

kill them then

[quiet abyss]

Rain clouds are naturally rarer than the flying fish, seeing more fish than the cloud is normal

[bitter drift]

and then they summon 5 more fishes

[quiet abyss]

Now you're just over exaggerating a bit

[bitter drift]

no for every 20 fishes i kill i kill 1 cloud

[zenith hazel]

or just not use rain at all because farming from sunskaters, wyverns, ufos is just as good

[quiet abyss]

Anyways, we've been talking about this for long enough, and clearly we ain't going anywhere
We do not necessary need any more ways to obtain essence of sunlight, end of story

Now, let's move on

[zenith hazel]

but still tho, it’s kinda unfair how no boss drops essences of sunlight

[placid moth]

to be fair, essence of sunlight is lot more elusive than the others

[quiet abyss]

🤔

[zenith hazel]

cloud elementals do but they’re minibosses

cryo and brimmy/clone drop their respective essences so it’s kinda unfair imo

[quiet abyss]

There's been a suggestion for AS to drop sunlight a while back iirc

[zenith hazel]

there was a golem dropping essences suggestion a while back but idk what happened to it

[bitter drift]

why they didn't

AS does use poison gas

[zenith hazel]

then again AS doesn’t have that much related to sunlight

[bitter drift]

he is in the sulfur sea (the only boss/ mini boss in there)

[zenith hazel]

and how does that relate to the sun again?

[placid moth]

actually DS is literally the suntanned version of AS

[zenith hazel]

mfw it’d make more sense for DS to drop essences even tho it’s pre-hm

[bitter drift]

so at HM

[zenith hazel]

besides, desert enemies used to drop them so...

[bitter drift]

i think lamia (a desert enemy) should drop it

[queen sail]

Gameplay wise the mech alts drop the souls based on colors and so that they’re legitimately alts

Lore wise, it doesnt make any sense

It makes sense for cryogen and brimmy to drop their essences due to their locations

And gameplay wise it helps too

That all stops once you reach AS

You would expect something similar since the other mech alts drop both their respective essence and their soul, but you only get partial of that because “AS isn’t related to the sky”

If the mech souls don’t even fit the mech alts from a lore standpoint, why should EoS not fit the AS then?

You can literally just say it’s for consistency and gameplay purposes and I doubt anybody would even care that much

[smoky wagon]

Do people actually use bosses to farm essences

Maybe for cryo

[placid moth]

No lol

[smoky wagon]

but sunlight and chaos are not tedious to farm at all

if you are in the right location

[queen sail]

like i said it's just for consistency

[civic pond]

what does a ballot box check mean on a suggestion

apologies for my stupidity

[terse sundial]

[civic pond]

thAnk

[wheat roost]

ok so how do i download the unifissial calamity mod texture pack?

[elder kestrel]

You can ask in #general-talk, and you can download the texture pack in the server dedicated to the texture pack

please keep this channel for messages related to suggestions in #suggestions-voting

[placid moth]

No.

Just, don't.

[delicate raft]

lol

[bitter topaz]

@rapid ocean yharim is already in-progress

[teal ibex]

idk if i'd say in-progress

i think he's just planned

[rapid ocean]

oohh

ok 👌

[cyan lagoon]

yeah he isn't in progress

he's a loooooooooooong time from now

[ashen warren]

inb4 fab quits b4 yharim

[pliant bone]

Okay first how do you know how much will it get nerfed.
Most things that were nerfed have a reason for it and they dont overdo the nerf

And second, there is no nerf for it listed in the changelogs.
Just a change on how it works.
@bitter drift

[queen delta]

So many seafoam bomb upgrade suggestions lately

[radiant meadow]

I would call it a rework more than a nerf

and ele disk isn't bad, it just requires high iq to use

[ashen warren]

hiq weapons hurt my head

I'd complain about not getting my suggestion sent but I wanna make more suggestions, so ech.

[marsh gust]

they dont immediately get sent as soon as it reaches the required star ¯_(ツ)_/¯ just wait

[ashen warren]

exactly

[dusty stirrup]

We'll be adding more rogue weps soon enough anyway

[novel pebble]

That's unnecessary

You can just choose not to use it, It won't affect you.

And by cheesing you're basically ruining all the fame, so It's the player's decision.

And even then they could just open Cheat Sheet or get overpowered items from another mod

[ashen warren]

I think he means since Dev weps will be moved to the next highest boss, LUL should too

[gusty geode]

Why aren't the dev weapons already post-boss rush tbh

[radiant meadow]

dev weapons are meant to be used for boss rush

[lost agate]

^

[lost agate]

Isnt the name totalbiscuit?

[last star]

Its bouth

[lost agate]

Oh ok

[last star]

Orignal name is totalhalibut there of the halibut cannon reference on thag weapon iirc

Eitherway one of the 2 names should be on that list

[lost agate]

Thats actually a nice thing that would serve as a tribute

Have my star

[last star]

Thanks ❤

[ruby cobalt]

this is good

[last star]

Thanks ❤

[ruby cobalt]

Man, I wish reading changelogs was required for posting suggestions.

[ashen warren]

Its not really the same tho

Im talking about the amount

[marsh gust]

well the thing is they both aim to do the same thing dont they?

[ashen warren]

Well, if your arena is covered in mines you cant really dodge anywhere

[marsh gust]

then get a bigger arena

[ashen warren]

Thanks...

[marsh gust]

np

i personally never had problems with mines at all so theres that and i knew youre being sarcastic

[ashen warren]

Well i guess i just suck, so w/e :)

Ill remove it

[teal ibex]

it's one of those fights where you really just want a semi decent skybridge

and if you're good enough you can just run thru the world as well, tho that can get kinda awk

[ashen warren]

I mean after 10 tries yesterday i got it, but it always seemed like a cluster of mines when i had to change directions when the main worm got to close

[teal ibex]

once you survive the initial chaos of main worm it should calm down a bit due to his ai not being hyper-aggressive like the others

[bitter topaz]

@strong drift the future bosses were removed for a reason, and boss suggestions aren't allowed anyway.
yharim is also already planned.

[strong drift]

Oh, okay

[bitter drift]

critisism?

[zenith hazel]

welcome to: how to kill DS in like 5 seconds, use that

[bitter drift]

oof the damage will be less then 60 per hit because somehow grenades do only 8 damage to him

[zenith hazel]

combine that with 4 grenades and DS's hp of like around 4k-5k and you've got a dead worm

[bitter drift]

the first time i fought him i used grenades and every grenade did 8 damage 3 time (cuz segments)

[zenith hazel]

the number isn't that accurate but point is, it makes DS a trivial matter

[bitter drift]

so to upgrade it past it

[zenith hazel]

besides, how did your grenades even do only 8 damage

[bitter drift]

IDK?

that was so strange does he have a DR

[zenith hazel]

DS isn't bulky and grenades have crazy damage

he has like 5 defense and 5% DR

actually no, 0-18 defense and 5-10% DR from head to tail

[bitter drift]

i know that is maybe that is it
it was at a time that throwing helmets didn't exist

[zenith hazel]

point is it shouldn't be possible

[bitter drift]

ya so i upgraded it to get 5 victory bars

[zenith hazel]

alright why does this need to be a thing then?

[bitter drift]

the explosion sub class always interested me too bad it's only post hard mode
i also posted an RPG made of Iron or lead suggestion to add up with it

not in this suggestion but i did post it

RPG
made by: 15 Iron/lead bars and 1 grenade
uses rockets
make a small explosion that does a low damage (for a rocket launcher)
rocket are crafted by 1 grenade and 1 Iron bar

here is the RPG suggestion

[gusty geode]

While I'm not against the idea of pre-plantera rocket launchers, I think there's a reason there isn't one already
Grenades are already one of the hardest-hitting weapons in pre-hardmode, even without something to shoot them out of

[bitter drift]

good joke

maybe in pre boss

[ashen warren]

nope , grenades are viable maybe up to QB

[bitter drift]

yes they are good for many boss i agree

but to say they(grenade 60) do more damage then the old othe swords (from demons) that does 70 damage with a projectile

[ashen warren]

Bruh thats bladecrest oathsword

[bitter drift]

i'm not good at names

[gusty geode]

According to the wiki, those pre-boss weapons can potentially one-shot world feeders, an early hardmode enemy
And you want to make them do even more damage?

[bitter drift]

maybe a damage penalty for the grenades?

at the launcher of course

[gloomy hazel]

Welp...I guess I failed with my suggestion about the "LUL" accessory

[ashen warren]

fab would actually ignore that suggestion and keep "LUL"

[terse sundial]

Lul is a good testing item

[ashen warren]

^

[terse sundial]

That's one of the reasons why it's in the mod

It's the players own fault if they fight a boss with it

[gloomy hazel]

I get that it would be the player's fault to use it because it will instantly kill the player UNLESS there is less than two town NPCs in the world or if the player named himself/herself as one of the devs

And in that case, the player becomes invincible as long as there is 1 town NPC or if he/she is named as one of the devs

[noble turret]

so they would have to drop lava on the npcs then break the workbenches

then again it's their decision if they want to skip the boss or not

[gloomy hazel]

Basically, make the houses unsuitable

[ashen warren]

is this a bootleg paint tool from cheatsheet

[distant gyro]

^ tbh

[alpine garnet]

I feel like effort would be rather used elsewhere most likely, since it's already a thing kinda

since I'd imagine it'd be difficult to make

[frail urchin]

Explosive rockets?

[zenith hazel]

rocket ivs

[frail mantle]

sounds like Post-Plantera Worm Shredder 2k tbh

[bitter drift]

deadless rocket launcher

[spiral olive]

as fun as it sounds to launch rockets from the sky, i have a feeling even the strongest pc's would have trouble handling a weapon like that

[lofty blade]

Are you underestimating my PC

[bitter drift]

yes yes he is

[rustic ember]

With great power comes great responsibility

[viral sigil]

@bitter drift u got warned too

:o

[bitter drift]

wot are you talking about? yesterday

[severe burrow]

Airstrike sounds like a messy world ruiner

And, if it doesn't destroy terrain, what's the point? It's just a stormbow with better damage and explosions

Kinda puts the packs rocket count to shame

[livid coral]

God yeah please I want to axe ML in the eyes

[cobalt rose]

personally, i never use tile-destroying rockets

bad idea to use them in combat, really

exactly

[severe burrow]

I mean if you want to take providence to hell when you accidentally summon her in the hallow

[tired haven]

This sounds like a challenge rather than strategy

[radiant meadow]

assume you mean the minigun?

although it'd be much better if you supported it with dps tests against yharon

[ashen warren]

Yea lmao thanks dude

I have never tried defeating yharon

DoG has cursed me

So fucking difficult

[novel surge]

try testing with with cheat sheet and the likes

get the items from there to try it

[gloomy hazel]

@last star Don't forget the non-organic ones

[terse sundial]

I understand where you are coming from @last star but "Organic Enemies is pretty self explanatory

oof double ping

[hollow shell]

It's defined by the hit sound, actually
If you hit it and it sounds metallic or stone-like or electrical or somesuch, it's not organic

[gloomy hazel]

So Calamitas is not organic?

[hollow shell]

She makes a metal tink, so therefore not organic

(last time I checked she made a metal tink)

[terse sundial]

Yep

She still does

[hollow shell]

There are 14 hit sounds defined as inorganic and 38 hit sounds defined as organic
and these sounds are not currently on the Calamity or Terraria wikis
so
that may be a bit hard to make a page on

[gloomy hazel]

Mmh...it would still help for people who just started with the mod

[radiant meadow]

there could be a list or something somewhere

but like since it's based on hitsound, it'll take a very long time to compile

[wet raft]

if it goes tk frukee kweep mmump its probably organic

[proven tide]

selfstars

[radiant meadow]

Shouldn't paintball gun recipe have paint instead of dye?

[proven tide]

^

[ashen warren]

Crafting recipe for boomstick

please

[proven tide]

No

[wet raft]

perhaps

have it require mahogany wood then so you have to go to the jungle anyways

[ashen warren]

Boomstick Crafting Recipe

Because jungle shrine spawns and fishing are rather unlikely, here's a crafting recipe for the boomstick. This is also a thing because you need two of the damned things for a sidegrade and upgrade.

(15) Stingers + (50) Mahogany Wood + (1) Illegal Gun parts @ Anvil = (1) Boomstick

[livid coral]

It's not hard to get paintball guns when you make a painter death box

[wet raft]

but not everyone wants to wait for the painter to respawn at infrequent intervals

[proven tide]

oh no

I can't believe admin colour was changed again

[livid coral]

Off topic my boyyy

[ashen warren]

Anyways, bombs away on my new suggestion

[proven tide]

Maybe throw in a couple of Iron/Lead or similar

[ashen warren]

there we go

[queen sail]

Please god have there be an alternative way to obtain the boomstick

[proven tide]

Aight I'm down

[wet raft]

bome stiche

[ashen warren]

Fishing aids

[queen sail]

Some other mods have it in their recipes and hell no am i gonna rely on rng for this gun

[ashen warren]

Shrine spawn moreso

[proven tide]

NGL Boomstick can be ass to find, although Gold/Plat Armour + Greatbay Pick + Ancient Fossil clears away loads of your Jungle exploration troubles

[wet raft]

sometimes jungle generation is not so generous with large enough water pools

[ashen warren]

Or shrines that don't have the 15th flower boots in them

[wet raft]

all I get is staff of regrowth

[ashen warren]

Thats only useful for decor and potions

one of which is redundant

[queen sail]

Like just

[ashen warren]

Isn't lunic eye not astral?

[queen sail]

Hopefully gets the boomstick or at least feral claws

Hey, dumbass, here’s boots that make you grow flowers

[arctic tapir]

@ashen warren I’m making the upgrade astral

[ashen warren]

Aight

[wet raft]

hmm how about a classless weapon that fires armor crunching projectiles?

post moon lord

[arctic tapir]

So another lunic upgrade

[wet raft]

yeah

and it isn't only useful in rev+

[arctic tapir]

Just make marked rev-

[queen sail]

I suppose that a post ml true dmg weapon wouldnt be too much of an issue

Though at this point there has to be something unique about it other than MfD and Ichor

Maybe whispering death

Dunno

[wet raft]

has the same damage increase mechanics as the lunic

[ashen warren]

Cursed flames ftw

Or maybe abyssal

Or just all the flame debuffs

[queen sail]

What were the terraria devs thinking with making an infinitely better alternative to cursed flames

[wet raft]

Base 10 damage, fires armor-crunching projectiles that travel quickly and do not home or pierce, auto fire

[arctic tapir]

Cursed flames would be better if everything wasn’t fucking immune

[queen sail]

One is a debuff that removes 20 defense, making killing enemies significantly easier

The other is flames but you can’t put it out

[arctic tapir]

It’s honesty unfair that things that are immune to flames are vulnerable to ichor

[wet raft]

and less enemies are immune to ichor

like skele prime, hes immune to cursed flames but not ichor

[queen sail]

It was both the weirdest and dumbest gameplay decision i’ve ever seen

[wet raft]

make cursed flames deal more damage or have a secondary effect

[queen sail]

And people will just end up transmuting cursed flame to ichor because of how significantly more useful ichor is

[hollow shell]

@arctic tapir Examples?

[arctic tapir]

Skeletron p

Lots of bosses

[wet raft]

What if speed modifiers added similar secondary buffs like how the armor modifiers do

like a chance to dodge

Quick gives 1% dodge chance

Hasty gives 0.75%, Fleeting 0.5%, Brisk 0.25%

Shouldn't be too op since it's a small chance even if all added up

with multiple accessories

[radiant meadow]

I think it's just vanilla stuff under that category

And sw p2

[proven tide]

@gleaming atlas Yo is that a meme suggest

delete before greenname here gives bad

[terse sundial]

[gleaming atlas]

I spent time on that

[radiant meadow]

Bad

[gleaming atlas]

Time that I should have spent feeding my self

[proven tide]

then post in #general-talk

That's more the place for it

also the logo needs to be square

[radiant meadow]

Is it really though?

[proven tide]

shit

wrong channel

there fixed

oof me

[ashen warren]

That's actually a rule

If someone says "Ban me", they will get banned

[wet raft]

oh my god timer

[ashen warren]

So bye bye

[wet raft]

[gleaming atlas]

oof

me

[ashen warren]

oh god i said it

aaa

[radiant meadow]

Plz stay on topic

[gleaming atlas]

ok

[proven tide]

@wet raft So, regarding that suggestion about speed modifiers earlier in this chat

[wet raft]

yeah

[proven tide]

1% dodge chance for Quick is still too much

With Calamity you can stack seven accessories

[wet raft]

7% dodge is still less than ninja belt or its upgrades

maybe have a cap so it doesn't exceed 12%

[proven tide]

7% dodge chance + Counter Scarf + Titanium Armour + Statis' Belt of Curses

👀

[ashen warren]

Luigi% has entered the arena

[proven tide]

Exactly

[ashen warren]

Fab would delete that

[proven tide]

Add that to the fact that only two of those are accessories (CS and the Belt) so you could have any five other accessories

MOAB for vertical burst mobility, Nebulous Core, Permafrost's Concoction, etc.

[ashen warren]

then quit the game so the enemies wouldn't exist to hit you

[proven tide]

Make yourself absolutely fucking untouchable

[wet raft]

[radiant meadow]

It's a good idea in concept though

Since quick is useless rn

[proven tide]

+1% accel

[wet raft]

flight?

[ashen warren]

make movement buffs increase jump height

[proven tide]

jump height?

[ashen warren]

haha

[proven tide]

hah gottem

[ashen warren]

I was actually gonna say flight first, but ech

[proven tide]

@molten hearth no u

Being serious though, the PG isn't that hard to get

[ashen warren]

It's a bit annoying

Especially with infrequent spawn times

[molten hearth]

True, it's just annoying to get

[arctic tapir]

Vital material? Wait

Is it used in something?

[molten hearth]

Yeah, it is used in the speed blaster, which is later used in the elemental blaster

[proven tide]

sbeevde blaster

[queen delta]

Pretty sure the asgards valor gets a blue check

I saw it recently somewhere

[lost agate]

@unborn sun invisible dye mod is very helpful for that

[unborn sun]

oh thank you

[lost agate]

Np

[gusty geode]

Tf does organic creatures mean
We have pokemon-esque type advantages now? Because I'm totally down for that

[ashen warren]

Organic means it can get hurt by the magnum or something

Inorganic for bazooka

[lost agate]

Yeah, its all about the limited ammo weapons

[radiant meadow]

Oops, keep deleting star reactions on accident

[lost agate]

Bad mod iirc

[earnest raptor]

It's not hard to get paintball guns when you make a painter death box
Paintball Gun from 12th killed painter....

Yeah, imkSushi adds summoning potions for NPC's, but if imkSushi mod is not present?

[livid coral]

DOn't worry it took 20 for us and after that we got like three

[earnest raptor]

Too random

Like...

I waste around 10-15 NPC potions to get one freaking item.

[empty geyser]

Just before I forget, I'll bring up the topic of new Celestial pillar mini-bosses

[dusty stirrup]

whar

[devout seal]

Or.
they could make it a configurable thing

[lost agate]

Smh not everything is solvable with a config

[devout seal]

Alright then

[dusty stirrup]

[novel pebble]

Add Asgard's Valor to Frequent Suggested Suggestions tbh

[signal ibex]

The astral weapons seem underpowered for their tier.

[frail mantle]

Hive Pod tho

[bitter drift]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ac7p8dfuFv6NTu9emN8tNMYw6ah3fKLilOlI3MOXaDI/edit?usp=drivesdk
can i get criticisms for the first part of my suggestion? i need to know if there is anything wrong with it (except the last RPG not being in PHM)

[ashen warren]

i dont like the "LPG" weapon

a gas tank for a rocket launcher weapon???

[bitter drift]

LPG is post hivemind upgrade to RPG it shoot a rocket (like the RPG) that will leave an explosive feather every 5 seconds

so can you tell me what is wrong?

[ashen warren]

Rename the weapon

[bitter drift]

to what i have APG and SPG

[ashen warren]

You are making a gas tank as a rocket launcher?????

[bitter drift]

no?

is LPG a name of gas?

[ashen warren]

Its a gas tank used for cooking and other stuff

[bitter drift]

i'll change the name to APG or SPG when i start to make the grenade launchers

from the 2 names there what is better?

[ashen warren]

APG

[bitter drift]

k thanks

[bitter drift]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ac7p8dfuFv6NTu9emN8tNMYw6ah3fKLilOlI3MOXaDI/edit?usp=drivesdk
I'm done for now
should i make new rockets and pipes for these weapons? and is there any criticism

[frail mantle]

I guess state why you want it in the game and you might be good to go

[bitter drift]

thanks but that is obvious
the fact that explosive ranger subclass is hard mode only and rocket launchers only bug me a lot it's a fun sub class

[vocal fulcrum]

But it's HM only for a reason

[hearty spade]

Maybe because Cyborg is Post Plantera

Maybe

[bitter drift]

wot the fuck are ya talking about cryo is post WoF

[vocal fulcrum]

Cryo = ice also HM

[hearty spade]

Read again what I just posted

[vocal fulcrum]

[bitter drift]

yes except the last upgrades all of the suggested weapon are PHM

[hearty spade]

And Cyborg is Post Plantera.

[bitter drift]

ah now i see what you talked about
but now it raises the question of why did calamity get rockets to post WOF

[vocal fulcrum]

But yeah if you'd like this third subclass pre plantera, I'd rather also think of an npc maybe because, bows are naturally ranger and guns too. Rockets are so sspecific in use that I feel it gives to much "power" in a certain way. Also saying theres only rockets is half true because that's the ammo type, you stipl have grenade launchers, it's just too weird to be phm

Also what?

[bitter drift]

and if you say GRENADES AND RPGS DO BIG AMOUNT OF DAMAGE
read the yellow part

[vocal fulcrum]

That's the deal eith it. You expect them to deal high dmg pre HM

[zenith hazel]

i don't think APG needs to be a thing considering you have hellstone at that point anyway

kinda renders it useless since you can upgrade it immediately

[bitter drift]

oops i changed the name cuz LPG is apparently cooking gas

[zenith hazel]

besides, some might say hellstone is before aerialite

[bitter drift]

only in melee

[vocal fulcrum]

Def not with it being a tad harder to mine

[zenith hazel]

no, everything

you gain access to hellstone once you beat BoC/EoW, which is before hive mind/perfs

[vocal fulcrum]

[zenith hazel]

melee: molten armor
ranger: hellfire arrows, molten fury
mage: flare bolt
summoner: imp staff

[bitter drift]

o

[vocal fulcrum]

Practically, right

[zenith hazel]

so almost everything

[bitter drift]

let me change it

[ashen warren]

do u actually want more pain

[zenith hazel]

^

[ashen warren]

i mean my 666 attempt cant handle him

[frail mantle]

Isn’t SmellyPrime’s laser HP being low intentional

[pliant bone]

Please dont make deathmode Smellyron Prime more painful than it is right now

[frail mantle]

^^^

[ashen warren]

^

[marsh gust]

it shouldnt die in a few secs tho, unless you directly use rage on it.

[pliant bone]

Tbh, just rework smellytron prime at this point.

[marsh gust]

im assuming a few secs is 1-3 seconds

[quiet abyss]

Skeletron prime's laser hand in deathmode having much lower hp than other hands and than in rev is intentional iirc
Once the hand is destroyed skeleprime start shooting laser spreads in all directions, which is overall more threatening than the laser arm itself afaik, and the low hp make that happens far earlier than in rev

[ashen warren]

that next suggestion is p good

[pliant bone]

Me while fishing: why am I hearing Universal Collapse.

[zenith hazel]

fighting king slime, SBC plays

[pliant bone]

But ngl, that is a decent suggestion compared to most.

[ashen warren]

yeah

[zenith hazel]

gonna generate some funny results as well

[vocal fulcrum]

It's like a walkman, good suggestion

[ashen warren]

I thought about it after listening to the same music for 4 hours lol. Like i love the Void theme (def my favourite) but after some time i was like, okay i need a different one. I think it would be nice, maybe a biome box, so you dont get the intense fighting music lol

[plucky orchid]

I mean dont get me wrong I hate mech bosses

But prime is so much easier than the rest and it opens up calamitas

So it should actually be harder which it really isnt

[frail mantle]

“Prime Easy”
What

[ashen warren]

Then try nohit prime if you think that

[frail mantle]

not in Rev and up, at least

[plucky orchid]

Im playing in defiled death so

7 attempts compared to 15+ on other ones

And usually lived with less than 5k hp

[frail mantle]

On my last Death melee run the twins took one attempt, Destroyer took maybe three and Smellytron Prime took twelve

[plucky orchid]

When was that

[frail mantle]

a couple of weeks ago

[ashen warren]

So make it harder so 90% of people who think its hard enough get more pain?

[plucky orchid]

(also fuck defiled while we are at it)

N

[quiet abyss]

Huh, someone finding prime easier than the other 2 mechs, been a while since I've seen that
Usually people find twins easiest

[frail mantle]

it might have taken so long because those homing skulls are the bane of my existance, but still

[plucky orchid]

Ratinazor despawns for me all the fcking time so not for me

[noble turret]

skele and destroyer are the easiest for me

[plucky orchid]

Also death is supposed to be hard and unforgiving

[quiet abyss]

Defiled is meant to be for farming bosses anyways, not what you're supposed to use when fighting bosses in general
If you're using defiled just to make fighting bosses harder, thar's on you

[plucky orchid]

Even tho i come from stress calamity so maybe I'm just masochistic

[quiet abyss]

Yes, death is supposed to be hard and unforgiving
And that's true for most average players
You may not find it too bad, but many others do

[frail mantle]

imo in Death Mode, Twins feel the most fair, Destroyer is laser spam and Prime is supreme projectile spam

[zenith hazel]

and that's a fact

[quiet abyss]

Buffing deathmode even more would just be too much, considering deathmode is already quite hard compared to rev, and many people struggle on rev already

[frail mantle]

^

tbh the only bosses in Death Mode that aren’t that hard are KS, DS, the Guardians and Birb, and all of those are meant to be relatively easy iirc

[plucky orchid]

also WoF

[ashen warren]

except KS is bad when paired with DS

[plucky orchid]

If using good weapon

[frail mantle]

WoF can be hard sometimes

[plucky orchid]

U can use black anurian

And kill him in 2 adrenalines

[ashen warren]

Nights ray : am i a joke

[plucky orchid]

Didnt use that because I felt it was cheesing

[frail mantle]

imo the easiest class to do Woffle with are Summoner and Melee, cause both Herrings and Amidias’ Trident goes through blocks and you can use walls to block the lasers

[plucky orchid]

Didnt play calamity in a year so my opinions come from a mage playthrough only

Because others would be dated

[bitter drift]

twins: eaiest boss of the mechs

[frail mantle]

Sometimes, at least

Poseidon can pretty easily shred Destroyer

[zenith hazel]

only in rev+ and for classes that are not ranger/rogue

[bitter drift]

for me it's every time I'm not on summon

normal rev or death doesn't matter wot calamity gives you is more then enough to destroy twins

[zenith hazel]

actually it matters in terms of the argument of which is the easiest mech.
rev+ buffed prime and destroyer to ludicrous levels so destroyer wouldn't be the easiest mech in those difficulties

point is prime is still ridiculously hard and does not need a buff

[bitter drift]

prime for me is always 2nd

[plucky orchid]

Why

like actually

[ashen warren]

Twins < Destroyer < Prime

[plucky orchid]

Is prime the hardest for u guys

[zenith hazel]

it's already as hard as it is

[frail mantle]

Projectile spam

he goes sicko mode when you kill the laser arm

[vocal fulcrum]

Des < twin < smelly because learning his pattern smells

[bitter drift]

in normal (expert) mode it's twins then prime then destroyer
in rev or above is destroyer prime twins

[zenith hazel]

prime is considered a legitimate threat

[bitter drift]

yes agreed

[plucky orchid]

I used magnolia on him but I dont think its that good

[vocal fulcrum]

Destroyer 3rd in normal/expert

[plucky orchid]

You just run and then shred his ass

[bitter drift]

yes

[frail mantle]

tbh i’m glad that Prime is buffed in Rev and up, cause he’s a joke in Expert and below

[plucky orchid]

If he catches u then discord away

[bitter drift]

not a joke

[zenith hazel]

yeah but sometimes it's better to not take it too far

he is a joke

he's slow as shit

[ashen warren]

Maybe just be happy that you are good at dodging prime and let us not have more pain

[frail mantle]

afaik in Death Mode the only way to outrun him is the unicorn mount

[vocal fulcrum]

Worm gets beaten by walking back and forth, third hardest for some

[bitter drift]

his laser is the biggest problem

[zenith hazel]

yeah no

the limbs are jokes

[vocal fulcrum]

His probes is really the only threat

[plucky orchid]

Hes rng

[bitter drift]

if you're on a platform yes yes they are except for the laser

[vocal fulcrum]

As said just walk, they track position, not where you go

[zenith hazel]

it's good that they made the mechs actually challenging but if they get way too difficult that wouldn't be fun imo

[frail mantle]

^

[zenith hazel]

hence exo mechs

[plucky orchid]

Either make them hard or remove them completely

[zenith hazel]

they're mandatory tho

[bitter drift]

agreed still twins are a joke

[zenith hazel]

at least one of them

[plucky orchid]

I mean removing them by nerfing them to shit

The drops are crucial ofc

[zenith hazel]

they also unlock mothrons

[bitter drift]

the only reason why i didn't post a suggestion yet to make palidans drop hallowed bar is the mech bosses

[quiet abyss]

This conversation has been going on for a while now, perhaps a lil bit too long
Y'all might wanna end it by coming to a mutual agreement on the suggestion rn before y'all go in circles for too much longer

[zenith hazel]

prime should stay that way

[frail mantle]

^

[ashen warren]

^

[bitter drift]

it's not like ant other suggestion is gonna pop up pinky pie

[zenith hazel]

let's move on friends

[plucky orchid]

You are like the nice twin of fabsol

[bitter drift]

sure

[quiet abyss]

Perhaps, but a conversation going on for longer than necessary will clog up and clutter the channel

Anyways, moving on

[zenith hazel]

um adir, no one's gonna farm 20 blood orbs in pre-hm for a weapon

[frail mantle]

I mean, if it’s a good weapon they probably will

[zenith hazel]

but let's compare the crimson version with the corruption version

the corruption one is waaay easier to farm for

[frail mantle]

True

[keen oxide]

What if DOG (and to an extend other worm bosses) had a special body segment, somewhat near the head, that is bigger than the rest of the body segments, that is also vulnerable like the head?

Like earthworms

•---=----------------------<

[arctic wren]

All I can think of is a mechworm with a giant glitched segment in the middle of it

[worthy fiber]

Reminds me of that boss in Super Mario Galaxy 2

Gobblegut?

[arctic wren]

still, I don't think it's a good idea tbh

worm enemies are buggy enough as it is

[placid moth]

I'd rather change the body to have around 5% less DR as compared to having a specific vulnerable spot

[proven tide]

@hybrid cloak Alright couple of thoughts here

Firstly please format new lines by actually making new lines rather than typing in endless spaces, so that the shape stays consistent across all devices.

[frail mantle]

Another worm summon

[proven tide]

Secondly, HOLY SHIT NO WORM SUMMONS

Thirdly, don't star yourself

Fourthly, please post in here for review before posting into the final chat

Elaboration on the second point: not only are they hard as all shit to code (look at the fucking Mechworm, who holds about eighteen different jobs due to hooking onto every projectile in the universe), but also there's already a bunch of (immediate) pre- and post-DoG summon options

[marsh gust]

cosmic lamp and calamari staff

[proven tide]

Elemental Axe can be viable as well

also whatever that polter one is that nobody uses because calamari is superior

[bitter drift]

@hybrid cloak y so messy

[worthy fiber]

shift + enter is your friend

Unless you're on mobile

[cyan lagoon]

Hes on mobile

It looks good enough on my end

[queen delta]

If you’re on mobile, go to numbers keyboard then press return to skip lines

[smoky wagon]

Why do people want death mode mechs to be harder

fr

[proven tide]

@cyan lagoon this is the kinda display I'm getting

[zenith hazel]

there are at least 3 good summoner weapons pre-doggo tho

[queen delta]

Cosmilamps, calamari’s lament, and ethereal subjugator already do fairly well

[lofty blade]

you have calamari's lament, ethereal subjugator, and the cosmilamps

so there isnt a need for a 4th

[queen delta]

How about a new summon weapon for ML? Something that isnt a worm summon ofc

[ashen warren]

profaned soul helps keep up with dog too tbh

[proven tide]

also elemental axe is alright

[queen delta]

Or rather post plant or golem

Since summoners rely so much on entropy’s vigil all the way to lc tier

[proven tide]

Tempest Staff? Xeno Staff?

[peak prawn]

Has it been suggested already about having a symbol on screen when you toggle defiled rune or death mode? I mean, it's not important but whenever i use them i tend to forget to toggle them off until i feel everything seems a little bit too damn harder

[proven tide]

I think there's been a suggestion to change the appearance of the Rippers bars but other than that no?

[ashen warren]

think i've seen a suggestion like that before

[peak prawn]

The ripper bar are the revengence bar?

[proven tide]

Yep

Have different sprites for if Defiled/Arma is on

@hollow shell

We might actually make it

[ashen warren]

https://canary.discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/573673590566813704

[peak prawn]

These bar annoy me sometimes, we can change their direction but it doesn't save. And sometimes when fighting a boss i end up dragging them around instead of attacking

[ashen warren]

90 stars

[proven tide]

damnit

[peak prawn]

Different sprites seems good as well

[proven tide]

Either/or really

[peak prawn]

Oh damn where's the comment i gotta upvote 😂

[earnest raptor]

deleted

Any throughs?

[earnest raptor]

❔

[frail mantle]

i mean, Rot Balls do decently well against Smellytron, and you get the Lionfish right after that

[zenith hazel]

and there’s seafoam bomb which is also viable

[earnest raptor]

Okay.

[void kelp]

w rogue, I’d think the more the merrier

what if there was an aerialite rogue weap that exploded into the feathers aerospec armor/sky glaze drops

[gaunt karma]

Add a new drop to Ice Queen and Pumpking that lets you summon only Ice Queens and Pumpkings to make farming the post-dog stuff a bit less tedious.
Possible recipe could be:
1 Pumpkin Medallion + 5 nightmare fuel + 1 new drop

any improvements?

[worthy fiber]

I think ideally the better solution may be to have more unique content in the events themselves

Skipping to the end kinda just defeats the purpose of returning to them in the first place

[earnest raptor]

Also, imkSushi's and Danew's mods already have a boss event summons.

Skipping to the end kinda just defeats the purpose of returning to them in the first place
cough Zerg Potion cough

[zenith hazel]

daedalus isn’t bad wdym

[bitter drift]

you never use the set bonus

[zenith hazel]

sure the anti grav can be bothersome for mechs but other than that it’s a good set

[bitter drift]

it's just an upgrade to adamantine that can switch gravity

[gaunt karma]

yeah but those are other mods

[bitter drift]

said names can be changed

[zenith hazel]

besides these look like alternatives to forbidden/frost armor

[gaunt karma]

and yeah, more items may be good but if they're common no point in doing it too much, if they're rare then it's annoying to farm even more

[lost agate]

I dont think daedalus armor is bad

The armor sets are good

[zenith hazel]

thank you

[bitter drift]

yes but is there a rogue alternative? and what for those who use summon and the one of the other 4 classes for help

[lost agate]

Reminder that gravity is not the only part of the armor set, and not everything in an armor set is for bosses

Exploration exists

[zenith hazel]

besides for pre-cryogen, statigel is still good

daedalus has the rogue set tho

[bitter drift]

and then you get destroyed at the toys

[zenith hazel]

there’s also mollusk armor at that point to help rogue

[lost agate]

Uh no

I used daedalus armor on all mechs and did well

[placid moth]

It's probably just the wings

[bitter drift]

i only the the wings

the set suck

[lost agate]

.

[zenith hazel]

titanium is good for the 3 classes that have it. otherwise, daedalus ftw

[tired haven]

It is probably referring to anti-grav cheese... or not

[lost agate]

Titanium is just broken

[placid moth]

Imagine not having any vanilla rogue armor but then you also criticise the only rogue armor available at the moment

[zenith hazel]

[mossy parcel]

I also feel conflicted about your "space" armor, because the fact that you need stardust, cause that stuff is not near cryogen, more around DoG times.

[bitter drift]

and if you are summon or rogue as i said + they nurf titanium

[mossy parcel]

maybe a bit before DoG

[bitter drift]

stardust

[tired haven]

Not stardust fragments lel

[lost agate]

Space armor?

[bitter drift]

not stardust fragments

[zenith hazel]

meteor 2.0

[placid moth]

If you are summoner, you should just start with spider and work your way up from purple crystals, sun gods upwards

[bitter drift]

yes abit

[mossy parcel]

the space set in his suggestion

[tired haven]

The astral stardust really needs to be renamed it seems

[lost agate]

Oh

[tired haven]

Make it astradust tbh

[zenith hazel]

point is daedalus is viable

[mossy parcel]

but yeah, also daedalus is very good though

[lost agate]

Well, for adir it seems that if theres a flaw on anything its bad

[tired haven]

Rogue daedalus is probably best out of all classes' daedaluses

[lost agate]

Ye

[bitter drift]

as i said i hate deadless get confused no moving

[zenith hazel]

huh

[lost agate]

What

[tired haven]

what

[queen delta]

[bitter drift]

get confused with deadless and somehow YOUR UP IS NOW RIGHT

[mossy parcel]

that makes no sense whatsoever adir

[bitter drift]

no you can't move like that

[zenith hazel]

it’s actually not that hard to not press w, interesting fact

[lost agate]

^

[mossy parcel]

lol yeah

[bitter drift]

if you have grav and confused your up button the thing you use for ropes now is the thing you use to go right

[tired haven]

Lets start from scratch: if you don't like gravity, don't use it
Don't say you use rope- or I choke rn

[zenith hazel]

yeah i still don’t get it

[tired haven]

[lost agate]

Confused debuff is meant to confuse you yes

[bitter drift]

get confused wearing this armor and press D

[lost agate]

Its not the armors fault

[mossy parcel]

I really think your posting this because you have your own issues that has nothing wrong with the real thing

[tired haven]

Ankh shield exists btw

[zenith hazel]

if you get confused by pressing a key you yourself bound it to, it’s on you

[bitter drift]

nvm

solar fragment will probably be better for the flamethrower trap

[mossy parcel]

Okay, first of all, whats the point of adding traps? Secondly, Calamity has never made any traps, and that only Terraria generates traps in the caves/ jungle temple, I mean there's no point to it.

[queen sail]

When I get the Confused debuff, I switched gravity from pressing right and it’s annoying

[bitter drift]

yes that is what i talked about

[queen sail]

Ankh Charm and Nazar: Just standing there

[bitter drift]

still we passed it

not talking about it anymore

[mossy parcel]

honestly adir, when I get confused, I learn how to move by playing with inverted controls until I lost the debuff

Its not that hard

[queen sail]

Also do we need more traps

[mossy parcel]

ˆ

[queen sail]

By the time we reach ml traps probably aren’t needed

[mossy parcel]

Theres no such thing as modded traps, Terraria only generates them

[queen sail]

And traps probably won’t do that much damage against mobs you want to autogrind

[tired haven]

If you want autogrind be summoner

[mossy parcel]

ˆ

[bitter drift]

suggestion maker: fuck this shit i'm out, don't mind me i'm gonna pack my stuff and leave XD

[mossy parcel]

Honestly, think of stuff that would be needed, I had the thought of adding new fishing rods a while ago (Currently has 78 stars, lets get there folks!) like that, something that is helpful and needed

[queen sail]

I mean the criticism you get here is supposed to point out why your suggestions wouldn’t work in hopes that you can change them accordingly or change the suggestion itself

We’ve been trying to point out that Calamity needs suggestions that will legitimately help it

[mossy parcel]

ˆ

[queen sail]

We’re in a fixing mood

[mossy parcel]

I just learned how to do that, so expect a lot of ˆfrom me

[bitter drift]

well why then even if i do get criticism that doesn't make a difference (before i post the suggestion)

[lost agate]

Excuse me what

[bitter drift]

want an example?

[livid coral]

We're tough on suggestions specifically because this mod is huge already

[queen sail]

The only reason you get criticism is because people find issues with your suggestions

[livid coral]

AND we have patron items

[queen sail]

Whether it’s not needed or it wouldn’t even change much

[mossy parcel]

It does make a difference, a group of people will generally judge what to add, and if the suggestion gets rated enough, it goes to a privated chat the mods and devs can see.

[bitter drift]

then why even when do i fix them they still don't get above 40

[lost agate]

Thats a mood

They dont reach 40 cuz you dont try to improve

[bitter drift]

...

[mossy parcel]

Thats probably cause it isn't a helpful/ good suggestion. I mean there is a lot of weapon related ones you know.

[queen sail]

Make suggestions that people will actually go and say “Yeah, that’d help a lot, actually”

[bitter drift]

wait a sec

[queen delta]

Yeah or something that you think people want, not just you

[queen sail]

E.g the boomstick crafting recipe suggestion

Because fuck crates and shrine rng

[queen delta]

A lot of these suggestions lately was just what that person wanted

[lost agate]

Also dont make like 5 a day

[tired haven]

Probably posting them in this channel before #suggestions-voting will help, as people may notice what's wrong
Granted, it's usually less active feedback but still helps

[queen sail]

When you make suggestions, think “Improvements”, not “Additions”

And try and consider how it’d work in-game

[queen delta]

Its nice to flex your creative muscles, but if it doesnt fit in calamity, its not gonna get much attention

[bitter drift]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AX713bTNsCjlgJ-u6BslEZDY_fuw3wFFSdt2X8C06lk/edit?usp=drivesdk

i spent hours listening to criticism fixing the suggestion doing everything i can to make it the best it can be
and it never gotten 30 STARS

[queen sail]

Because...

Legendary weapons are a low priority

[lost agate]

Cuz legendary weapons are all bad

[mossy parcel]

Also, try not to put it in a google doc, there is also a format you need to put suggestions into

[alpine garnet]

especially summoner

[queen sail]

Why do you think exo weapons are on the don’ts list

[alpine garnet]

google doc is reccomended if it's long iirc

[bitter drift]

...

[queen delta]

You could work for hours on a suggestion, but if it doesnt fit, it isnt worth it

[mossy parcel]

Yeah, thats fine shinygolem

[queen delta]

And plus, many people on internet hate reading long stuff

[lost agate]

Yeah, doesnt matter how much effort you put into a suggestion, if it isnt needed then it will most likely not get voted

[alpine garnet]

^

[mossy parcel]

ˆ

[queen sail]

It’s like making a boss suggestion

[alpine garnet]

popular suggestions are often to fix a problem

not to add something "just because"

[queen sail]

You can make the most polished boss you’ve ever made in a suggestion

[elder kestrel]

you need to put much more effort into your suggestions

[queen sail]

But if the mod doesn’t need it, then it’s not going anywhere

[alpine garnet]

^

[queen sail]

And the mod doesn’t need bosses after it has a plan for all of them anyway

[hearty spade]

No matter how much effort you put into it, a bad suggestion remains a bad suggestion.

[mossy parcel]

also gotta realize, these things each would take time, and having all these weapons aren't really going to cut it, I mean that as in the devs and Fab need to also work on their own additions to the mod as well.

[elder kestrel]

instead of putting out 5 half-assed suggestions a day, 1 suggestion every like 3 days with a lot of effort put into it would be better

[tired haven]

Supreme Mana Potion was nearly 0 effort suggestion but it helped

[alpine garnet]

well supreme mana potion kinda fixes a "problem"

[queen delta]

Omega mana potion when

[alpine garnet]

rather than "kinda cool"

[queen sail]

It was mostly out of the fact for consistency imo

[tired haven]

Ye

[mossy parcel]

Yeah

[alpine garnet]

and it just feels "needed" almost

[queen sail]

You’d expect mana potions to get the upgrade treatment

[mossy parcel]

I honestly think adir has left by now

[queen delta]

Yeah dont spend hours thinking up a good summon weapon cuz not enough people care

[alpine garnet]

summoner's prolly least popular and legendaries are already not super popular

[queen delta]

Instead, think of a summon weapon that is easy to code and would fit in

[tired haven]

He did

[queen delta]

Like perhaps a cool, not-bad name for a summon for ML

[hearty spade]

No he didn't

[tired haven]

Not the server but channel

[queen sail]

It’s like a mod having a lot of bugs and then suggesting to add in an armor set

[lost agate]

summons
Easy coding
Thats where youre wrong kiddo

[alpine garnet]

👉 😎 👉

my apologies, i had to

[queen sail]

Even if the suggestion is polished, that’s not what the mod wants to address

[queen delta]

Oh so thats why summon weapons are scarce

[tired haven]

Easiest way to get summon wep suggestion implemented is to code it

[queen sail]

On a scale of 1 - 10, how cancerous is Redcode

[lost agate]

Yeah, theyre hard to code and get dissed out as retarded or something similar

[tired haven]

Spaghett/10

[queen sail]

Got the term from dan yami

[queen delta]

Tsk someone suggested supreme mana potion

[tired haven]

Big thonk

[alpine garnet]

[flint chasm]

yeah i know it’s been done like 100 times before but i just thought of it, wrote it in and now i realise how dumb i look lmao

[mossy parcel]

I really would like to make a terraria mod

[flint chasm]

me too but i’m stupid

[tired haven]

Should I copyright sue that?

[alpine garnet]

hahayes

[mossy parcel]

Like, I also want to become a game programmer too

[queen sail]

Tbh summon weapon suggestions are only gonna be supported if the suggestion reasons that there’s a point in progression where summoners barely have an option

[flint chasm]

mhmm same here

[queen delta]

Free money, why wouldnt u take it

[mossy parcel]

lol free money

[queen sail]

And that their weapon gives them that option