@royal turtle sound great ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
#suggestions-discussion
cosmic cove
severe burrow
It's a stab attack,
cosmic cove
Yeah true
severe burrow
And shanking things is a very rogue thing to do
cosmic cove
But this eould make rogue too close to melee
rare ingot
@royal turtle Maybe add some essences?
severe burrow
backstab mechanic please
rare ingot
@severe burrow Yes.
royal turtle
souls of light would also work
cosmic cove
And essence of sunlight
severe burrow
My idea is to make shortswords do rogue damage and have powerful crits when striking the targets back, at the cost of worse range compaired to reg swords and having to galaxy brain to get good use out of it
rare ingot
yeah
royal turtle
does it fit with the Pixy Stick as a weapon?
rare ingot
I would use Souls of light
royal turtle
actually i might as well
rare ingot
Wait, A hallow mimic drop could be in it
royal turtle
one of its main competitors uses essence of eleum
so essence of sunlight would fit with that
royal turtle
nah, not really
oblique geyser
What do you guys think about this:
Archaic Ice Sheet:
Legendary Summon from Cryogen
Summons an ice storm on cursor with left click. Right click causes all ice storms to converge on the cursor. While in place , ice storms fire ice bolts that deal 1/2 of contact damage of converging ice storms.
royal turtle
considering what it's named after, it's going to be a pretty silly weapon anyway
royal turtle
i posted it
rare ingot
@oblique geyser I would rework it, little cryogen summons would be nice
oblique geyser
That's why the Cryogenic staff exists
rare ingot
@royal turtle I hope that it gets In
royal turtle
then star t
rare ingot
I willยจ
oblique geyser
But sure, little cryogens would be cool
royal turtle
thanks
wet raft
Does it?
distant gyro
yes
wet raft
I know whispering death and armor crunch are not visible though, cause sometimes I wonder if it's even doing anything
queen sail
Marked already makes enemies purple
distant gyro
it has a weird purply black effect
wet raft
I crossed it out in the suggestion
queen delta
I got an idea for a classless skill based weapon that does great damage but takes skill to use
Like magnum and hydra
Something like a gun that takes 25% health off a boss no matter what, but can only be shot once, it goes slow, waves a bit like some thorium bard weapons, and lasts 8 seconds, but the first 5 seconds it doesnt deal damage, only dealing the 25% damage in the last 3 seconds
And ammo is extremely rare
queen delta
Just thought of it now but if it might turn out to be a good idea, ill think it more and improve
queen delta
Yeah Magnum is easy to use with decent aim
My proposed weapon would take a lot of skill, setup, and planning to accomplish
But comes with a huge reward
And i do % cuz having flat damage would make it useless for later bosses
distant gyro
inb4 something like a raygun
or something that charges up and has slight delay on attacks
so you have to big brain and aim ahead of time
distant gyro
Imagine golem though
Also what's the alternative. We already have a shotgun and a generic pew pew gun
radiant meadow
"Weps that take away a certain bosses HP% aren't that fun to have"
looks at icicle providence memes 
terse sundial
queen delta
Im just gonna wait a few more days for more ideas to come up
Like i did with cosmic shiv
ashen warren
for @ashen warren, it can't be useful
because everyone prefer kills the hand before the head
normal thorn
I updated my sticky boots suggestion. Now you are slowed for 1.2 seconds every time you fall. I think it can balance them in boss battles?
arctic wren
making it required to kill the hands before the head can be hurt would just make it easier
allows you to not worry about accidentally hitting the head and thus making it fire lasers until the hands are dead
normal thorn
Well you can make the head fire lasers as you destroy the hands
ashen warren
Or at least make the body invulnerable until all three limbs are destroyed.
arctic wren
that still doesn't really make the fight any harder since anyone with sense would destroy the arms first
icy cove
Yeah, golem is kind of a garbage fight no matter how you do it. Maybe some teleport stuff like the giant clam would help a bit
normal thorn
Well i kill hands first anyway lol
bitter drift
@ashen warren only in REV
in death mode the hands are unkillable
arctic wren
They can be killed in death too
lost agate
^
bitter drift
really or was this an old update that was replaced
lost agate
It was changed a while back
bitter drift
ah
also does anyone know if a weapon can do 2 type of damage like for an example a sword(melee) that shoot bullets(ranger)
lost agate
No, but theres aether whisper
bitter drift
and that is
no type of damage
arctic wren
also does anyone know if a weapon can do 2 type of damage like for an example a sword(melee)
Does holy arrows count
the stars count as melee damage iirc
wet raft
You mean if it's possible for a sword's true melee hit to count as melee and its projectile counted as ranger damage?
arctic wren
wet raft
That could be interesting but likely hard to code
arctic wren
they're reused from starfury afaik
hence they do melee damage because red code
wet raft
I would probably use that considering I'm usually ranger/melee hybrid
arctic wren
it's the only example of more than one damage type to a weapon I can think of though
bitter drift
i mean does a weapon can be made or programed like one class but also have the damage type of another for another example:
a mage weapon that can also do summon damage
or a range weapon that can inflict mage damage
and so on and so on
dusty stirrup
Technically you can make a melee wep have projectiles of another type
but that'd be pretty dumb imo
arctic wren
I mean ... probably? but I don't see the point
you'd just have the one of the type you aren't specced in be ass-weak
bitter drift
i thought of a cool thing with that but k
wet raft
Maybe have the projectiles do melee damage on left click and ranged on right click?
dusty stirrup
So aether's whisper
wet raft
Kinda like aethers whisper
bitter drift
no that will be self defeating i thought maybe i can make a weapon that does 2 types of damage at the same time so with my first example
the sword will make melee damage and it will need bullets to shoot range projectiles
wet raft
Nether's Battlecry
bitter drift
and the sad thing is the only weapon that was good enough for this was taken for another sword
arctic wren
Edit: due to situations, suggestion discarded
dusty stirrup
Didn't the minimum get lowered a while back
arctic wren
While Supreme Calamitas is alive, the player takes a minimum of 300 damage from any attack. This is set after all defense, damage reduction, and direct damage adjustment calculations.
It's on the wiki. Maybe it just hasn't been updated?
arctic wren
... I'll go check I guess.
I think the minimum, at least on death, is 200. I'll try it on rev, expert and normal to see if it's different and update the wiki.
dusty stirrup
Aight
vocal fulcrum
@bitter drift cross over damage is pretty useless because you'll have to go with weaker all-type armor
bitter drift
ah
vocal fulcrum
And even have to extend all-type armor sets for it to be relevant to even think of suggesting
bitter drift
you can make the bullets do much more damage then normal
vocal fulcrum
I actually like that idea for early / pre hm because it makes.summon weapons viable for anyone until worm minions.
Also that would be dumb
pure gun dealing less than fake gin
bitter drift
on wot are you reacting?
vocal fulcrum
You
bitter drift
really?
vocal fulcrum
I like the thought of expanding all-type armor but hybrid damage is too weird for terraria
bitter drift
or 2 type damage armor like the frost and sandstorm of vannila
vocal fulcrum
Are they tho? 
vocal fulcrum
Neat
bitter drift
maybe a pre hard mode version of it
vocal fulcrum
Then again doutype weapon sounds more like "use it for this OR that" in terms of equal tier dmg, or lower dmg eith all type
I'd def like to find something for pre hm
bitter drift
vocal fulcrum
Like all type armor having 10% less or so dmg value
bitter drift
placid moth
Weapon : The Avatar
Mechanics : Fire more homing projectiles rapidly. Reach of 25 tiles. Inflicts God Slayer debuff. All orbs, lasers and yoyos ignore immunity frames.
Crafting Recipe :
- The Terrarian
- 5 Cosmilite Bars
- 10 Nightmare Fuel
- 10 Endothermic Energy
Changes to Azathoth Crafting Recipe :
- 5 Shadowspec Bars
- 3 Core of Calamity
- The Avatar
Reason : There is a huge gap in terms of strength regarding The Terrarian and Azathoth, which is a Post-SCal weapon. There are very little yoyos in between the Sentinels and SCal (Obliterator), which I thought was suitable to have a Terrarian upgrade, since it wasnโt that viable to begin with in Post ML, and that jumping straight to Azathoth was relatively weird.
cyan lagoon
Obliterator
cyan lagoon
But that thing is poopoo and alt choices are good idea
quiet abyss
^
frank stratus
yeah...lmao
bitter drift
sounds a bit to op
hollow shell
@granite yacht Slightly late but two things:
Abyss and Sulphurous Sea enemies can be targeted by minions, but only after you hit them once. This was done to prevent minions from aggroing everything around them and screwing the player, considering exploring the Abyss is supposed to have some level of stealth involved
and
Don't put two unrelated suggestions in one message. It makes it difficult for people to star if they agree with one and don't agree with the other, among other reasons
bitter drift
@placid moth does there need to be a post Yharon yo-yo
hollow shell
His reason is that yoyo strength has a gap between DoG and SCal, making yoyo-dedicated playthroughs difficult
... hold up
bitter drift
yes but is there a need if this yo-yo get in the game for a post Yharon any phase yo-yo
hollow shell
It would make more sense for the yoyo to be Post-Yharon
because DoG already drops a yoyo
bitter drift
so the entire thing need to be changed
granite yacht
yeah i could have split it but w/e
also i think it could be made a bit more obvious that you have to hit enemies
and im not sure if it works on all of them
bitter drift
(trying to think of a new weapon idea)
eager palm
you dont have to make suggestions just for the sake of making them, try to think of something useful with proper reasoning
ashen warren
think harder and smarter
hollow shell
Who is this in reference to
eager palm
i was talking to adir
bitter drift
i think i got a new weapon suggestion. (this is an old suggestion i didn't post on #suggestions-voting probably need more criticism)
psychosaw (pure melee)
crafted by: the butcher's chainsaw, A Psycho knife(from psychopaths), 10 Dark sun fragment, 10 Cosmilight bars, 5 Endothermic energy and 20 Brimstone slag.
What it does: If you can stand completely still with it for 20 seconds without attacking you will get an upgraded version of the psycho knife's damage boost. That upgraded version will give +500% Damage to the weapon, A 100% crit chance on top of the 500% damage boost, +65% Contact damage reduction And you will only run as fast as a person with the angel treads.
How does the stealth works: You can attack with the stealth for only one time before it resets but you will need to stop attacking to return to normal damage, speed and crit chance. (see why in More)
More: This weapon is hold able meaning you can continue your click and the weapon will continue to attack, This weapon have a very fast melee speed like the Archahilis (or how ever you type it), This weapon will inflict the enemy it hits with God slayer inferno, Holy flames and Brimstone fire And this weapon have a short melee range so it's won't reach long.
fervent zealot
didn't you post this yesterday
bitter drift
not on suggestions
eager palm
^
hollow shell
(also, "Psycho Knife", not "Psycho Knight")
bitter drift
well a think a true melee Yharon will be fun
bitter drift
i suck at english
hollow shell
True that there aren't any true melee weapons around Yharon's tier
ashen warren
true melee yharon
dies instantly
great weapon
bitter drift
- remember that post Yharon's first phase is all about the solar eclipse:\
@ashen warren look at the stats it gives
ashen warren
but still
bitter drift
wot 65% LESS CONTACT DAMAGE isn't enough
ashen warren
No
bitter drift
and this weapon doesn't swing
ashen warren
yharon is a fast attacker if you want to true melee him
placid moth
Actually, good point.
bitter drift
to who?
placid moth
your point, adir.
ashen warren
True meleeing yharon = suicide
placid moth
Is yoyo'ing true melee'ing though
bitter drift
so maybe increasing the invisibility frames?
also no
ashen warren
At least yoyo has a certain range
hollow shell
We've got two different suggestions talkin about here
bitter drift
yes
hollow shell
Simon's yoyo and Adir's true melee chainsaw
placid moth
Tbh Butcher's Chainsaw is rather lackluster.
ashen warren
If you can stand completely still with it for 20 seconds without attacking
still for 20 seconds
20 seconds
And this is post yharone?
bitter drift
this is an upgrade of it combined with the psyco knife
and so to reduce that?
placid moth
Stealth should never go with melee imo.
ashen warren
might as well die to yharon
bitter drift
so to what do you say
3 seconds
ashen warren
3 is an overkill
bitter drift
4??
ashen warren
I'm saying that standing still doesn't work for yharon.
hollow shell
If the 20 seconds is cumulative, it could work
placid moth
Will that be a pain to code
hollow shell
Not at all
ashen warren
It would be less reliable than stellar striker.
lost agate
You can stand still on certain parts of the yharon fight
bitter drift
i'm not perfect at English so can you explain Cumulative
ashen warren
You can but doing so happens to be a fast way to get torn in half.
hollow shell
Like, if you build up a bit of stealth and then move around a bit to dodge attacks, you keep your level of stealth
So you can build up the 20 seconds worth of stealth bit by bit
over the course of, say, a minute
ashen warren
I've done some "stealth only" kills and it's surprisingly annoying.
lost agate
@ashen warren actually no
bitter drift
HHMMMM maybe we can even make it so that the stealth regenerate while falling and not moving
lost agate
When hes shooting the infernado spawner you can pretty much stand still for a fair bit of time
bitter drift
or the fire circle
queen sail
Honestly iโll take a yharon tier yoyo
ashen warren
As I recall that takes 2 seconds before charging again.
lost agate
Except it does another attack afterwards
queen sail
Kinda weird how you have to stick with the dog-yo and your upgrade is a dev weapon
lost agate
That being the spiny atttack that spits out explosive bullets to the sides
bitter drift
looks like we changed suggestion talk
bitter drift
wow but not everyone can do that
as i said maybe we can do that the stealth recovers even if falling and not moving
i think i got a new weapon suggestion. (this is an old suggestion i didn't post on #suggestions-voting probably need more criticism)
psychosaw (pure melee)
crafted by: the butcher's chainsaw, A Psycho knife(from psychopaths), 10 Dark sun fragment, 10 Cosmilight bars, 5 Endothermic energy and 20 Brimstone slag.
What it does: If you can stand completely still with it for 20 seconds without attacking you will get an upgraded version of the psycho knife's damage boost.(you can gain it even if you are falling but not moving) That upgraded version will give +500% Damage to the weapon, A 100% crit chance on top of the 500% damage boost, +65% Contact damage reduction And you will only run as fast as a person with the angel treads.
How does the stealth works: You can attack with the stealth for only one time before it resets but you will need to stop attacking to return to normal damage, speed and crit chance. (see why in More)
More: This weapon is hold able meaning you can continue your click and the weapon will continue to attack, This weapon have a very fast melee speed like the Archahilis (or how ever you type it), This weapon will inflict the enemy it hits with God slayer inferno, Holy flames and Brimstone fire And this weapon have a short melee range so it's won't reach long.
bitter drift
the weapon probably need a big contact damage buff to keep you alive
distant gyro
true melee for yharon and scal is a dead class
bitter drift
this is why i want to revive it
ashen warren
I really don't see why it needs to be shackled to one of the worst mechanics to play around when it's against the 2 hardest bosses in the game.
I see this as more of a fishron wep.
zenith hazel
by making it unviable?
distant gyro
especially because you have absolutely no way to contact scal for instance
zenith hazel
as if you can facetank yharon
ashen warren
Stealth is dumdum post-ml.
distant gyro
even with a post-dog true memee weapon, you can't facetank unless you cheat puri jam
bitter drift
as i said big contact damage buff
zenith hazel
so core of the blood god but broken
bitter drift
i put one in the weapon
distant gyro
then that'll be too op
zenith hazel
it's either too op or too unviable
bitter drift
with indicability frames you have on REV naw
zenith hazel
yharon has absolutely no room for true melee, especially in phase 2
ashen warren
A weapon that gives immunity frames and potentially a dash of some sort would be better imo.
Flesh totem and CotBG are nerfed due to previously being stupid.
Bringing that back helps nobody.
distant gyro
i-frames are capped though?
zenith hazel
also, standing still during the yharon fight 
ashen warren
Look at that shortsword made with bars of life, a trumelee weapon with a similar mechanic would definitely work for yharon.
bitter drift
yes there at least 3 I-frames
zenith hazel
that weapon paired with purified jam would reach levels of broken
ashen warren
3 frames is a twentieth of a second.
bitter drift
@ashen warren that is post golem
also that the time it take me to get hit again in any class
ashen warren
"a trumelee weapon with a similar mechanic"
Implying an upgrade for yharon.
distant gyro
Lucrecia upgrade ๐
bitter drift
is there any way to get this weapon viable
ashen warren
And lucrecia + jam is far from OP.
bitter drift
distant gyro
true melee is truly dead just like jamsicle
if you try to revive it balancing will break
bitter drift
so what is the way for it
ashen warren
Mobility is the biggest issue that I see with trumelee.
bitter drift
i chose stealth because of the knife
distant gyro
and the fact that it's probably only practical on death mode
ashen warren
Second place is that you take way too much damage.
Short range + hitting things = big letter d , e , d
An accessory or weapon that grants a mobility buff would be great.
bitter drift
i'm not that idiot it's isn't arcahilis range
distant gyro
what, do you want a raratedly giant sword?
ashen warren
Unless you make it the size of half the screen that barely matters.
bitter drift
it's a katana range
ashen warren
katana is more ded than ever
distant gyro
once again, if you try to revive true melee; it will either be too overpowered or underpowered
ashen warren
Katana?
That's slightly larger than arkhalis, lower than murasama.
bitter drift
maybe we can change the way you get the stealth instead changing the stealth
ashen warren
Are you listening?
Stealth affects none of the issues trumelee has.
bitter drift
still wouldn't the effects of the stealth will somewhat fix it
ashen warren
Mobility so you actually hit the enemy and taking too much damage.
Stealth helps with neither.
distant gyro
oh
bitter drift
wot
distant gyro
Are you talking about the stealth in your suggestion?
ashen warren
They are.
bitter drift
i thinkl
ashen warren
Not rogue stealth.
bitter drift
yes
distant gyro
confuzzled moment
ashen warren
One of the biggest helps for trumelee recently was relocator.
Note how it helps with dodging and dealing damage.
bitter drift
after all there is a stealth in the suggestion
that stealth gives +500% damage lower speed to angle treads speed 100% crit chance and 65% contact damage reduction
ashen warren
Does it affect the cap
For trumelee to become a thing it needs a universal engage mechanic and scarf upgrades tbh.
bitter drift
there was a scarf suggestion
zenith hazel
yeah but are you gonna use the stealth for a fight like yharon?
distant gyro
not frequently but possible
zenith hazel
if we're talking about the current version (angery flame isn't removed) that'd be impossible
but still, without the angery flame, you'd still need to move a lot for yharon
ashen warren
at the price of teleporting charges
zenith hazel
that too
bitter drift
as i said maybe we can do that the stealth recovers even if falling and not moving
i think i got a better stealth
If you can press a (bind) with it for 20 seconds without attacking you will get an upgraded version of the psycho knife's damage boost.(you can gain it even if you are falling but not moving) That upgraded version will give +500% Damage to the weapon, A 100% crit chance on top of the 500% damage boost, +65% Contact damage reduction And you will only run as fast as a person with the post moon lord treads.
How does the stealth works: You can attack with the stealth for only one time before it resets but you will need to stop attacking to return to normal damage, speed and crit chance. (see why in More)
is this better then the old stealth
zenith hazel
ok so essentially adrenaline
bitter drift
no you have to press a bind with it for a long time
you don't have to press a bind with adren
@ashen warren yes
ashen warren
then 65 is p much not calaculated
distant gyro
softcap btw
bitter drift
what you can't get rid of the cap?
ashen warren
If it's affected by the cap then the weapon is trash tier no matter how you slice it.
bitter drift
no it isn't
distant gyro
you have to suggest "separate from DR" if you want that
ashen warren
Yes it is
bitter drift
ah
ashen warren
33% softcap
Each 1% after you reach 33% DR becomes 0.1%
bitter drift
as i said maybe we can do that the stealth recovers even if falling and not moving
i think i got a better stealth
If you can press a (bind) with it for 20 seconds without attacking you will get an upgraded version of the psycho knife's damage boost.(you can gain it even if you are falling but not moving) That upgraded version will give +500% Damage to the weapon, A 100% crit chance on top of the 500% damage boost, +65% Contact damage reduction(separated from DR) And you will only run as fast as a person with the post moon lord treads.
How does the stealth works: You can attack with the stealth for only one time before it resets but you will need to stop attacking to return to normal damage, speed and crit chance. (see why in More)
is this better then the old stealth
ashen warren
post moon lord treads
Just say tracers btw.
zenith hazel
again, not moving during the yharon fight 
distant gyro
now ngl that's broken
zenith hazel
true melee is broken for yharon, now that's sth i've never heard of
i must be dreaming
distant gyro
if you can time rippers with this effect yharon will melt
ashen warren
It hits once.
zenith hazel
stealth + adrenaline 
ashen warren
You'd just hit the anti-butcher mechanic.
bitter drift
oof but it is meant to focus more on damage
i think I'll remake the weapon in a doc
bitter drift
- an extra thing
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W7l2AeM0fRrsKLndKgCcUVbqShn8xzZy3lro2PhjH8g/edit?usp=sharing
here wot do you think (wink wink)
warm quail
@vale thorn Like, a new dimension? Cause that's not possible iirc
terse sundial
Yes, can you elaborate what you mean Rainbow?
distant gyro
sounds like the previously suggested "DoG's dimension"
but iirc that's like impossible to make
warm quail
Terraria engine doesn't support it at all
Hopefully Otherworld's or T2's will but then again
otherworld
ashen warren
Both of them are ded
severe burrow
maybe it would be possible if the spaghetti code was fixed
but that probably won't ever happen
terse sundial
@ashen warren Adrenaline already doesn't give as big of a boost of damage compared to Death. Also it's supposed to reward the player for not dodging.
vale thorn
yea just like new dimension and : (
granite yacht
adrenaline already was nerfed a bit
maybe just give rev enemies more hp i guess?
in death mode adrenaline is stronger but enemies are also way more tanky
gloomy hazel
I had already suggested that kind of "portal to another world" days ago
But you know what? I've gotten an idea
signal ibex
Make astrum aureus able to also spawn in day. Why? Its gonna make alot of lives easier.
lofty blade
You have easy access to cosmolight at that point, so there isn't really a reason for that suggestion
ashen warren
^
lost agate
give rev stuff more hp
I fear
Rev ML is already tedious enough, now make that the entire run and oh boy
Also expert mode balance is just wonky in general
dusty stirrup
People trynna suggest changes to stealth when we already have plans for it
Atleast wait until rogue expansion is out if you wanna suggest stealth changes
ashen warren
shucks, the stars were already removed, not much point keeping on at 'im now
lost agate
Oh sorry didnt see it
elfin maple
While the "Yharim's Land" idea sounds really cool, I seriously doubt it's possible. However, seeing as things like Worldgen Previewer exist, it may just be possible.
rancid silo
perhaps a item dropped by the post dog bosses that allow them to be spawned in host world
distant gyro
It'll be really hard to pull off
ashen warren
how about bugs?
distant gyro
and will really, really take a long time to implement
dusty stirrup
It wouldn't be worth the hassle imo
distant gyro
not to mention how buggy it can be
dusty stirrup
and item storage would be annoying
elfin maple
What would the difference between a normal world and Yharim's Land be besides needing to spawn bosses there?
ashen warren
or better, that device makes a portal
that teleports you to the yharim's land, that's is the same when you creates a world, but with new biomes and enemies
ashen warren
but the problem is, if you make a estructure in that world and you the exit that world
the things can be dissapear or still there?
elfin maple
Mhm
queen sail
Pinkymod made a โtravel to other landsโ function in their mod
gloomy hazel
I had rethought my previous suggestion to make that one, so you get a better idea of how it would be made and what it would allow in term of "freedom of creation" to the devs
queen sail
I have no idea how they did it but itโs probably buggy as hell
gloomy hazel
well I suppose making a new world is less buggy than having two separate worlds in a single world file
@dusty stirrup when it comes to the item storage, I had thought about that
but I think the Archmage could be given the function of giving the player the boss loots from the other world, at least that'd give him a valuable function
so the player don't have to worry about storage problems when fighting post-DoG bosses
dusty stirrup
It's not just about boss loot tho
dusty stirrup
Yeah but the player's got lots of item stored in the original world, now they have to either bring it all to the second world or keep going back to the first world to get them
ashen warren
Altars
Furniture pieces that require a sacrifice (Money, Health, etc.) and give a rogue-based buff in return. The altars are based on the many gods of the canon and will cease functioning after their defeat. Only one altar buff can be active at a time. These Altars are not player-made, and instead drop from various devotes/entities related to the god.
Ex.
Slimy Altar (Drops from Slime King) Gives buff that includes a jump height boost, along with faster rogue projectiles. Stops working after Slime god.
Why: Rogue has no class-specific furniture or access buffs, which melee has plenty of. So, to tie into the lore of one of the best rogue users, Statis, altars would provide both buffs and act as a specific funiture
How's this for an idea
frosty vortex
I like it but you'd need to be more specific about how you'd get them and what some of them would do
ashen warren
They, again, simply give rogue based buffs, but I don't determine the stats, so ech
bitter drift
Zach no need you easily kill slime god
gloomy hazel
@spring stirrup there's the armageddon mode already, which gives 6 bags if you kill the boss without getting hit in expert mode
spring stirrup
frick
gloomy hazel
you get the tool from demon altars
spring stirrup
i know, i just either forgot or didn't notice you actually get multiple lootbags from bosses
fierce hedge
Is it me or is the suggestions bot think broken? Or is it taking some time to load
ashen warren
auric ore is also very finite compared to other post ml ores
bitter drift
no you are right it is definitely broken
bitter drift
wot is so easy and quick
viral sigil
how about a new nymph mob? 
bitter drift
and yes i finally posted it on #suggestions-voting
also you have to tell when why and how for the mob
bitter drift
??????
viral sigil
WAIT
bitter drift
you don't need to draw the nymph yet
viral sigil
i will post an drawing of the nymph (not sprite, its an anime draw) and put her mechanics, status, etc
bitter drift
YOU DON'T NEED TO DRAW HER THIS IS THE LEAST OF YOUR CONCERNES
viral sigil
but i wanna draw her ;-;
bitter drift
just not yet
bitter drift
tell us the next thing
where do you find her
how does she attack
when does she appear
why should be added
and what does she drop
bitter drift
wait you just jumped at it?
viral sigil
wait i just have a mind lag here
bitter drift
you have a hivemind lag
bitter drift
me to
viral sigil
ye
bitter drift
ok now the questions why should it be added or what are you trying to do with this new mob
viral sigil
its like a mini boss
bitter drift
sorry you can't as much
viral sigil
BUTTTTTT
bitter drift
but wot
viral sigil
i think in a mechanic item
like ninja gear and cloud i.a.b. but together
that her mechanic
bitter drift
so you are saying that she helps you with mobility instead of damage
viral sigil
some dashs horizontally and verticaly
yeah
an little dash
like shied of cthulhu
but without the damage
bitter drift
i still think they will not get it in it's still a whaifu suggestion as originals as it is
bitter drift
the funny thing is i once thought of a HoTE upgrade with an entirety new side story XD i made my self such an idiot
bitter drift
Heart of The Elements (the mega wiafu summoner)
viral sigil
ah
bitter drift
i still have the general upgrade of it in mine (without the new side story)
bitter drift
doesn't the waifu summon help with the mobility
but still if i think of a nymph i think you should leave waifu and make the mobility item the only thing she drops
viral sigil
the nymph have some attacks like influx waver but instead of throw a sword , herself is the attack
her dashes toward u
bitter drift
when i think of these nymphs i think a fast surprise attacker
maybe her item will be a replacement to the counter scarf at post calamitas
and she will attack like a mimic but she is a human that have swords (dash like crazy fast attacks and strong)
viral sigil
yeah
bitter drift
inflicting electric debuff
hell even her hair color is the think that looks like a calamitas mob
viral sigil
i think her as a post-moon lord mini boss
bitter drift
ah still with how you tell her she fit better as post calamitas
bitter drift
and also SoC dash range at profaned chicken balls?
bitter drift
the running joke of the profaned gradians
viral sigil
her dash item will have SoC range in all directions (right left up and down)
but every direction will have cooldown
bitter drift
still won't be enough
bitter drift
remember post planterra is the time for changing dash items
so if she is post moon lord that item will do nothing
and post calamitas will just make ask why this isn't post WoF
bitter drift
viral sigil
if u use the right directon dash
the right direction dash will be in cooldown, but u can use the up, down and left dashs
bitter drift
ah k still i think the place you say it should be in still won't be as good
viral sigil
her dont drop a treasure bag
its a mini boss
with a cool item
with a fast dash item
bitter drift
still i think it should be post calamitas because you have a rogue and summon (master ninja upgrade) the ranger and mage or melee (ankh shield upgrade) so why not counter scarf upgrade at that level
bitter drift
naw that will be dumb idea just to get it post moon lard
bitter drift
then what is of a mini boss from it
better to hear advice
I have a problem with the placement not mechanic or way of getting
viral sigil
the ''fragment'' will enable immunity frames in dashes, and u craft the dash item from it
its a acessory
bitter drift
i know every sing dash item is
still crafting will be just worst then getting it full from the mini boss
viral sigil
its like rod of discord
the immunity frame item will have 100% drop chance
and dash fragment will have 0.01% drop chance
bitter drift
crafting isn't good every time better stick to a full drop
thorny bay
bruh is anyone gonna check my suggestion
bitter drift
i did star it and i agree with you
viral sigil
@bitter drift how about a 10% drop chance of full item?
bitter drift
yes still can be good better then crafting it
thorny bay
I'm waiting
bitter drift
idk why this take so long
just say the next
name of the mob: ........
where do you find it: ..........
what does it drop: ..........
why should it be added: ................
bitter drift
you can say her first i can help typing if you want
also you don't need stats
thorny bay
i just want to add a new ore, that's all
viral sigil
@thorny bay i wanna a new spreding biome :v
bitter drift
that is good i support this no problem
i wanted to add a new side story 2 biomes and 5 bosses XD
viral sigil
ohhhh
bitter drift
oof
thorny bay
does anyone like my idea in any way?
bitter drift
the stars are the amount people support you
ashen warren
I'd seperate the ice elementals dropping the essence and the essence stone but great suggestion ngl
I'd also assume that the sunlight stone would spawn in planetoids
thorny bay
yep. And floating islands as well
bitter drift
yes i think chaos will be in hell
thorny bay
No. Not really. It could be in the profaned crags.
bitter drift
but it is still in hell but i have a problem with it
thorny bay
what
bitter drift
because the thing is hell is much bigger and with less uses
like you don't use ash a lot
thorny bay
maybe it could spawn in the dungeon, because cultist assasins drop it.
bitter drift
but that is also in the abyss
ashen warren
Abyss has chaotic, Crags have Charred
bitter drift
and crags
ashen warren
Just put it in regular hell
thorny bay
yeah.
bitter drift
agreed
ashen warren
or maybe crags, that place does get barren and overlooked a ton
thorny bay
Definitely not in the start of Hardmode
ashen warren
their boss is like, once
bitter drift
cryogen brim elemental and scourge of sulfur
ashen warren
Yep
thorny bay
But wait, the Aquatic Scourge doesn't drop sunlight essence
ashen warren
Cloud elemental does for the memes
bitter drift
still better then a whither?
thorny bay
nah.
ashen warren
Wyverns are ech
thorny bay
Possibly if a player were to use an element crystal
bitter drift
so aquatic scourge it is (they still drop the souls of sight)
thorny bay
Crafting Recipe: 1 of each essence, and 5 Hallowed bars.
bitter drift
maybe or the rocks of needed
brimstone slag ice and clouds
thorny bay
But they are all obtainable prehardmode.
bitter drift
no slag is post mech bosses
bitter drift
ya maybe a compressed ice made from ice and hard mode mats
cinderplates is pre hard mode
thorny bay
no. how bout planty mush
bitter drift
can work
thorny bay
ok. gotta go. please make this a reality!
bitter drift
200 health?
viral sigil
an npc ''illusion
bitter drift
ah
bitter drift
i like the horror stuff
bitter drift
what is a phantom spirit
bitter drift
ah
bitter drift
you types phantom spirits
viral sigil
faceslap
bitter drift
viral sigil
that it
bitter drift
๐๐ป
viral sigil
bitter drift
ashen warren
wh
bitter drift
XD we are just memeing now
viral sigil
memes
ashen warren
hide before the mods come children
bitter drift
she typed phantom spirit instead of phantomplasem
bitter drift
agreed
ashen warren
Fine, it
bitter drift
you look like a she are you a boy or just a leftist
ashen warren
Whoa there
bitter drift
k
viral sigil
the stats that i put can be used for have a idea of the strengh of the nymph
because she is post moon lord
bitter drift
the dev set the stats not you (,mostly)
bitter drift
yes the idea of the mini boss not it's stats
viral sigil
marsh gust
how do you dodge her influx waver like attacks 
bitter drift
you set some kind of minimum but if it's to powerful or weak they will change it
also @marsh gust the mini boss dashed with it i think
viral sigil
the nymph dashes
bitter drift
no projectile just sword?
viral sigil
the nymph do the influx waver like attacks
but
its homed on player
the player can dodge if move fast
bitter drift
this will be hell to dough
viral sigil
like dash or boots
marsh gust
reminds me of fishron ngl
viral sigil
but if u run the nymph will despawns
bitter drift
XD dick fishron suck
bitter drift
i got more
viral sigil
bitter drift
yes
lost agate
,,,
bitter drift
mostly joke names
lost agate
can you get on topic?
viral sigil
lets go to #general-talk
bitter drift
k
lost agate
@viral sigil after looking at it for a bit of time, your suggestion is quite literally a meme, and thats not allowed, what do you have to say about it?
viral sigil
its not a meme 
lost agate
seriously?
viral sigil
YEAH MEN
fervent zealot
yeah he just wants his big tiddy gf in the mod
viral sigil
look your pm
lost agate
my what
gloomy hazel
I don't think Psyker deserves a warn after all, he's given the suggestion of an item within the suggestion of a mini-boss
And at least it doesn't seem like an useless item
Reminds me of the dodge mechanic in Evolve
gloomy hazel
Althrough, I'm grown tired of manga characters or waifus or whatever
lost agate
but its still a meme and that pic was suggestive as all fuck
lost agate
lucky you it didnt go over a warn cuz of the pic
livid coral
Ahh THIS was the person?
lost agate
yes
livid coral
Actually can I see the image?
gloomy hazel
remember that Glasses is a mod
viral sigil
cool
gloomy hazel
so, don't bother him/her too much
viral sigil
glasses stay telling thats its a meme
livid coral
And I'm an admin so try and take us seriously
livid coral
You may not think of it as a meme, but we're prettymuch done wth the 'waifu' miniboss ideas
bitter drift
what you didn't see the different name color
queen sail
Uh
viral sigil
queen sail
Yeah this is a meme
viral sigil
SGUIOAdhp-uioasdfhpaguiosdfhpgoiuasdfhadfg
turbid sedge
Also spam
sweet wing
And I'm an admin so try and take us seriously
I am so sorry but I'm taking that
livid coral
Alright
queen sail
@viral sigil If it's not a meme suggestion and rather a legitimate suggestion then let me ask you this
Does the mod need it?
livid coral
That's it. For all that fragmenting and keyboard smashing I'm just gonna warn you.
lost agate
(hes already warned tho)
livid coral
Oh it didn't show as warned
queen sail
Double warn :ascended:
lost agate
wait fuck, i forgot to add the role, gg me
livid coral
Okay well we're just gonna mute you for 24 hours. Stay in the corner and think about what you have done.
viral sigil
just think that is a nymph that drops a dash item
ashen warren
a "thicc miniboss" is certainly indicative of that view
livid coral
Also lmao thanks Persona 4 dude. Please quote that whenevr someone argues
gloomy hazel
how about we get back on topic?
@ashen warren There's already 9 added pre-hardmode guns in the mod, I don't know if that's trully necessary to add even more
ashen warren
It's not necessary but It would be nice.
bitter drift
we need a rocket launcher in pre hard mode
gloomy hazel
I get it, I too struggled to find pre-hardmode guns when I started the mod, but 9 is already a good number
Then add the suggestion Adir
bitter drift
k
bitter drift
any criticism?
gloomy hazel
The craft is rather cheap, what do you think should be its damage number?
gloomy hazel
seems fine
does it use grenades as ammo? Because you can't get rockets in pre-hardmode
bitter drift
yes or we can make a new type of rockets
normal thorn
Well u can basically use grenades for more damage instead...
normal thorn
Why you call it rocket launcher if u want it to use grenades instead of ammo
bitter drift
we can we don't have to
normal thorn
And lets be abit realistic, wooden rocket launcher is kinda unusual
gloomy hazel
Aren't ammo supposed to add up to the weapon's damage? That means a grenade launcher that does 10 damage plus grenades as ammo that deals 60 damage, it deals a total of 70 damage
normal thorn
If it was made atleast out of iron
bitter drift
i can replace it
normal thorn
Well thats basically buffing grenades for wood??
gloomy hazel
That's true in fact
bitter drift
it's not that big of an upgrade
normal thorn
Well but still for early game its too good
Usually people struggle to get a good weapon
bitter drift
want me to replace it with another metal
bitter drift
yes just the metals
gloomy hazel
it could use vines and jungle spores as crafting materials
normal thorn
Its basically longer range more powerful grenades for free because wood and some metals are not hard to find
severe burrow
what does an omnidirectional dash have to do with time?
gloomy hazel
plus the iron of course
bitter drift
i think a different type of wood will be better
severe burrow
pretty sure the reason we don't have up and down dashes is because certain actions already require the up and down buttons to be pressed
i.e dropping through platforms and switching gravity
bitter drift
wrong suggestion you are talking about
severe burrow
not talking about the same suggestion as you two
bitter drift
3
normal thorn
Well he has the right to talk about anything he wants man
bitter drift
yes just told him
bitter drift
and the suggester was banned for a day
bitter drift
it was looking like a meme and it wasn't
severe burrow
the item is the only point of real interest
gloomy hazel
the item he suggested was iterresting...but having waifus is already too much asking
severe burrow
4 dashes
gloomy hazel
but then he went off-limits in the discussion
severe burrow
two in directions that aren't very effective
gloomy hazel
anyway, back on topic, shall we?
bitter drift
yes
severe burrow
I do like the idea of being able to dash towards the mouse using an item or accessory
kinda like RoD but less cheese
gloomy hazel
There's the RoD and Normality Relocator though
severe burrow
yes but chaos state
gloomy hazel
true
bitter drift
bottles
severe burrow
i stopped using RoD when i learned that it caused you to take 50% more damage
bitter drift
wait wot
gloomy hazel
it's true that an item that allows dodging without getting debuffs would be a nice item
severe burrow
chaos state makes you take more damage
normal thorn
Whot
bitter drift
gloomy hazel
I use the Normality Relocator, it doesn't make you take 50% more damage
severe burrow
that changes next update
normal thorn
Damn im glad i never had a chance to use it 
bitter drift
no wander ravager was hard
severe burrow
yeah i'm not a fan of being punished for using RoD
gloomy hazel
wait, so the N.Relocator will get the debuff from the RoD as well?
normal thorn
I never used rod lol its bad
bitter drift
so a RoD upgrade
severe burrow
RoD in vanilla is fantastic
it literally lets you teleport to any position you can see
gloomy hazel
severe burrow
no punishment unless you try again within 5 seconds
bitter drift
k
severe burrow
yeah relocator is basically no tool switch RoD
imo i would be fine with bosses requiring the normality relocator
gloomy hazel
and it doesn't give the 50% debuff
gloomy hazel
That's what I thought
bitter drift
wanna get back on rocket launcher topic?
severe burrow
assuming you don't teleport and immediately get hit by an offscreen projectile
bitter drift
so maybe the best way to change it is to get harder to get wood?
gloomy hazel
so we were talking about the materials used to craft that launcher of yours
bitter drift
yes
gloomy hazel
wood is too cheap to be balanced
bitter drift
then i said maybe a harder wood
gloomy hazel
No, woods in general are mostly the same
it's only in the aesthetic that it changes
bitter drift
(corrupted and rich mongoly)
gloomy hazel
iron/lead
bitter drift
k
gloomy hazel
I think 10 iron/lead would be fine to make the launcher
gloomy hazel
seems better, the name's odd however becase RPGs use rockets and not grenades in real life
bitter drift
we can change it just need to craft the rockets
also what do you think of a new accessory that made ore slimes more common and friendly
gloomy hazel
there's already an Expert only accessory that is dropped by the King Slime and that makes slimes friendly
bitter drift
but not ore slime and also make slimes more common
vocal fulcrum
Battle/zerg potion
smoky wagon
Maybe it could be a gun that uses grenades as ammo and deals ranged damage
Make it need hellstone bars and bones so it isnt too easy to get
empty geyser
I think a Plaguebringer grenade would be better
civic pond
thats literally what it is
civic pond
plaguenade it is
ashen warren
will 2 plague cell canisters work?
you can get plenty of them anyway, i don't see the problem with the cost
normal thorn
Yee
zenith hazel
plaguenades are coming tho, iirc
radiant meadow
I think it's someone's patron item already
terse sundial
It is afaik
ashen warren
@arctic tapir aureus isn't technically locked to nighttime. it doesn't despawn when it turns to daytime
in terms of spawning, it is
@smoky wagon The Warmth Potion has been expanded to include all of those annoying buffs
arctic tapir
yeah but spawning is what I mean
radiant meadow
They are locked to night since they are star themed bosses
And you can only see stars at night
Like a better question is why are mechs night locked
normal thorn
Noone is talking about my suggestion
plush dune
Monsters only come out at night
low remnant
I need someone to double-check this, but I was going to make a suggestion for the Chaos and Tranquility candles to be able to be toggled using wire, so you don't need to break the candle itself and potentially get killed in the process. Does anyone know if the candles can already be turned on/off with wires?
normal thorn
Ye they can be
low remnant
o
ashen warren
I woke.
Fresh meat has arrived.
Yharim's lands: Having a world setting like that would be iffy tbh, even if it can be coded it's odd and feels out of place.
Auric ore nerf: This serves no real purpose, auric ore will always be easy due to the mining boosts you have then, unless you make it spawn barely enough for all items across the world this would change nothing.
Psychosaw: The concept of a 1% crit chance weapon that then gives you a buff on crit is actually kinda neat, I'm surprised that adir of all people came up with that, but it's not trumelee currently, arkhalis and murasama are both counted as projectiles, I'd make it swing so it is trumelee.
Essence stone: Ore for something that's meant to be an enemy drop, much like souls. ok
Rogue nymph: 200 hp is nothing post-ml, elementals are no longer called "waifus" and the timebreak bracelet is broken as shit.
"New guns:" You gotta be more specific bud, especially since calamity adds quite a bit of pre-hm guns.
Prismatic Devastation: That's uh, really complicated. Suggestions like that are not allowed according to the "don't" doc.
Plaguenades are already a patron item.
Astral ai change: You could say the same about the mech bosses and it'd make more sense, the astral is specifically to do with space, night, and stars, among other things.
"New dyes:" Download shaderlib, secret dyes, and dyehard.
normal thorn
Why is it not allowed?
ashen warren
That weapon is described much like an exo-weapon.
normal thorn
Well its basically a last prism
But it makes black holes and uses bullets as ammo
And gets damage multiplier while u kill enemies
I guess black hole is too far
ashen warren
And splits when the beam converges.
"shoots 7 beams of energy colored rainbow, then the colours are fading away and are slowly fusing into one large black beam with shiny silver particles in it. Its so unstable that random smaller beams occur and shoot in all directions"
normal thorn
Its like random bullets coming out
In all directions
Im sorry i just tried to be creative ahh
I dont know if its had to make or not
ashen warren
It's fine, just simplify it a bit.
Normally upgrades only add 1 new function.
And @agile pilot
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Category:Historical_content
terse sundial
@agile pilot We have a section for historical context
ashen warren
Prolly.
agile pilot
ok
terse sundial
Oof double ping
agile pilot
altho i would like to see a place for upcoming content if that doesnt exist
terse sundial
Not going to happen
ashen warren
Oh and you can always use the history tab.
terse sundial
We won't do a Changelog on the wiki
agile pilot
ok
ashen warren
normal thorn
Ok i simplified my suggestion
agile pilot
the historical content page looks pretty incomplete
like the megafleet is missing and probably some other stuff too
terse sundial
yeah
terse sundial
also a lot of "Historical Content" will be removed over time
agile pilot
ok
man i really liked the megafleet
wish i could have used it at some point
never got the chance to
terse sundial
Megafleet was renamed and repurposed
agile pilot
i'm aware
agile pilot
yeah ok