I trick myself sometimes
#suggestions-discussion
lost agate
earnest raptor
However, I did not set myself the goal to come up with a complete replacement for the reviewers.
Just a tool, not a full AI.
lost agate
laughs in daedalus emblem on aureus while doing mage
radiant meadow
but how much would it really help?
quiet abyss
Hmm, if the AI itself doesn't verify nohits for nohitters and just show results, then it could be fine
But again, it's still going to be very hard to code, and I don't particularly think this idea is really worth being worked on
Although, I will not deny that if this idea comes to life it could help.
How much though, that'll depends on how effective the AI is
lost agate
Not much really
teal ibex
this is a situation of "sure it'd be nice, *but is it needed?("
quiet abyss
Pretty much, ye
teal ibex
if it's not a really necessary change, then unfortunately it's probably not one worth considering, especially if its sole purpose is to fulfill a niche
elfin maple
Maybe you don't need to have all that extra information
Just an item that tells you if you did a no-hit
wait
teal ibex
you need the information to do that though lol
lost agate
Yup
earnest raptor
Like DPS cap, equipment and arena stuffs.
elfin maple
Ok
earnest raptor
No-hitting EoC with Ark of the Elements is too easy
elfin maple
even i could probably do that
ashen warren
Gib this a looksee: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y8eSOFCE1Yikp9SlNkXrJUVH3FBPe4aEuxUKjUpwAFc/edit?usp=sharing
ashen warren
Yes, it's why I'm so slow to do nohits 
elfin maple
I can see why a tool like that would help you guys
pallid nest
(Responding to: Have Fun, Be Nice, Be my Friend!) It doesn’t have to, but that would be pretty awesome
marsh gust
bumblebirb has been moved down the progression to pre-providence btw
noble turret
it's post profaned nuggets
marsh gust
i also dont get why ppl react on the exclaimation mark 
its just to flag that the suggestion hasnt been reviewed by a mod
noble turret
it's a kind of way to say no
worthy fiber
Prolly means "review faster >:("
pliant bone
It mostly signifies on how bad/how much of a meme the suggestion is
marsh gust
well, its not a way to say no.. just to get it out there
noble turret
❗
pliant bone
Also Power of the People, mass NPC prisons anyone?
It would prob be post-Plantera due to how you can only get Cyborg post-plant.
tired haven
Personally I use exclamation mark, and I use it to point out suggestion is irrelevant
(not bad, bad suggestions can be relevant still after fix, irrelevant suggestions need to be replaced completely)
sinful violet
@dusky urchin That's oudated info, and the birb fight is now post ML. Unless you want to keep the suggestion but change the reasoning, I'm going to be deleting it.
flint chasm
^
fossil torrent
the few times i’ve reacted ❕ is because i’ve thought the suggestion was questionable, and wanted the stars to be removed yes
or just gone
noble turret
so it's just a "can u dont"
earnest raptor
Brave of Signus
Drops from Signus with 11.11% chance in post-SCal stage.
Unique melee weapon
Looks like bigger Night's Stabber with Twisting Nether's pallete.
What's gimmick? It oneshot everything, that will touch. To Calamity's Holy Trinity (DoG, Yharon and SCal) Brave of Signus will deal a 9% of their max hp.
However, it has give a cooldown for 15 (35 in boss rush) seconds, on which your damage is nullified.
Why: a additional reward for beating SCal: a Signus's power of killing everything!
ashen warren
there's enough melee weps post scal tbh
marsh gust
it one shots everything 
i'll say a no to that.
pliant bone
Also imagine one shotting almost everything in boss rush but for every 15 seconds.
tired haven
Summoner weapon like this would be lol tier
Btw 15 seconds is too long for half the. bosses 
marsh gust
in which case you can swap to redsun or azathoth or smthng if youre running a melee build
hell you dont even need to run a melee build for this
tired haven
Vehemence but actually useful
marsh gust
you saying vehemence isnt useful 
ashen warren
seems too much even for a post scal wep tbh
tranquil totem
Vehemence but actually potentially breaks the game
tired haven
Yes 😤
pliant bone
One shotting adult wyrm.
marsh gust
damb.,.,. guess i'll have to nohit bossrush now
ashen warren
vehemence only scal
tired haven
Nohit boss rush with only vehemence tbh
marsh gust
ashen warren
coward 
pliant bone
Inb4, anti-butcher kicks in
marsh gust
vehemence procs anti butcher.. yea
wonder if SoT will triple vehemence projectile
earnest raptor
It lacks one of downsides of Vehemence - inability to deal damage to DoG, Yharon and SCal, because of 9% of max hp didn't proc anti-butcher.
But it's melee.
earnest raptor
When I get a better computer
ashen warren
ah yes, you of course need a gamer pc for glorious ideas like these
pliant bone
Bitch im doing my computer science assignments in an intel pentium laptop
earnest raptor
My keyboard in beginning of April has started to suck.
Like Space, X, C, M didn't work sometimes.
marsh gust
now dont go offtopic 
go to #general-talk if you wanna continue this convo
cyan lagoon
Is it possible to make Celestial Onion only drop until the client player has the seventh accessory slot? As of currently it drops 100% from Moon Lord
distant gyro
what if it's normal mode then
ruby cobalt
a couple more if statements
ashen warren
@proper sail Uh, which weapons and why? You're gonna need more detail and reasoning than that
queen delta
Isnt dark spark still good?
lost agate
(yeah thats the point)
ruby cobalt
besides suggestions pretty much can't touch donor shit
frank stratus
well you see....you're supposed to know the location of the brimstone hearts so you dodge while attacking them
cobalt rose
just use homing weapons for that part
lost agate
fun fact
queen delta
Or photoviscerator since you’re ranger
lost agate
4-7 seconds aint that much time
frank stratus
lol
subtle oracle
Then I'll just delete my suggestion then, I used heavenly gale because I was ranger
lost agate
and its actually meant to last longer but nope
cobalt rose
and scal is supposed to be super difficult
subtle oracle
I beat her last week, took me about 10-15 tries
lost agate
which for a final boss its ok
cobalt rose
i think it took me 10+ tries with melee on revengeance
then again i did have a lot of other mods on
frosty vortex
Lmao yeah please buff keelhaul trash tier
ashen warren
@proper sail Whenever you edit your suggestion to actually have detail and reasons behind why you want the change the stars can be added back. Until then, they're removed.
cold terrace
I always thought the frrp frrp noise was silly
cobalt rose
say what now
cold terrace
It works w/ crabulon imo because he squeaks, but not with pbg and mourning wood/santank
The noise pbg makes when shooting stingers
cobalt rose
oh
cyan lagoon
@gloomy hazel please elaborate on how they could be made more useful
gloomy hazel
being wired for example?
fervent zealot
gloomy hazel
No wait, it can be wired...I just checked...
facepalm
or maybe make them automated by themselves
they shoot ennemies on sight
like actual turrets would do
But wait, the cannon deals no damage if wired
how about giving it its own inventory so it can deal damages even without having to constantly put ammo manually?
That means for example if you put 50 cannonballs in the cannon, it will be able to fire 50 times. It's better than having to put one cannonball once at a time
agile cloud
swift wharf
imagine placing weapons to use them 
gusty geode
So before I formally post this in #suggestions-voting, how do you all feel about a special furniture set exclusive to armageddon/defiled? would have been dad-exclusive but no death-mode stuff
Each boss would drop a different piece of the set, so having all of them would be proof you managed to kill that boss under those conditions
and just for shits and giggles, have Yharim drop the toilet
hollow shell
That's kind of a clever trophy system
elfin maple
Yeah
rocky needle
I like that a lot
ashen warren
yeah death mode is a step up in terms of difficulty but doesn't have much special rewards yet
hollow shell
I would also prefer if it's DAD because that's the big ultimate challenge, but, yeah, no Death Mode item suggestions
gusty geode
Alrighty then
hollow shell
(we'll know what you mean in spirit)
royal turtle
it could be RAD instead of DAD, unless either defiled or armageddon is already revengeance exclusive
hollow shell
rad dad
quick dove
radical father
swift wharf
but why ''exo''
gusty geode
Isn't exo post-yharon 2
swift wharf
^
hollow shell
by the way, it's not recommended to put exact stats in your suggestion
They are subject to change if implemented, and are also potentially unhelpful to people who aren't well-versed with the numbers
i.e. instead of "use time of 9"
say that
it fires fast
civic pond
i'll remember that
hollow shell
Goodie.
quick dove
ashen warren
added
ashen warren
i say, if i add the three sentinels at the same time it would put the type d of the song
hollow shell
That's not a reason
queen delta
Say why you want that suggestion to be added. For example, fighting sentinels individually isn't fun, or it would fit the fight better, etc
queen delta
The better the reason, the more people that might agree with you
If you want your suggestion to have more credibility, yes
But although that suggestion seems to be common iirc
hollow shell
ok that's better
Just realized that it's gonna get a bluecheck, but that still makes it valid
queen delta
Maybe make that rev+ instead
hollow shell
Nah Deathmode is fine
They weren't designed around each other so it'd likely be bullshit hard
Which is perfect for Deathmode :P
ashen warren
yeah
queen delta
Bullshit and deathmode truly blends together like bread and butter
hollow shell
lol
queen delta
Then do something like peanut butter or jam instead of butter
ashen warren
peanut butter its better than butter
queen delta
Jam and butter is better
And now that I typed butter too much, I get a feeling that butter isn't a real word
Like, look at a word long enough and you begin to question that word
hollow shell
(alright we're gettin offtopic now)
ashen warren
ok we stop
rancid silo
that world one is pretty cool but id imagine really hard to make
hollow shell
That is possible, yes.
There's one guy who's been working on making it happen and he's got some success
for a different mod, that is
But @gloomy hazel You know there are gonna be post-SCal bosses in the future, right?
gloomy hazel
Yes, like Yharim
delicate raft
Draedon is pre-SCal
hollow shell
Yeah
Would they be fought in the new world or would the teleportation item get moved to after those later bosses when they're added?
gloomy hazel
I don't understand the last part of the question
rancid silo
is draedon pre or post yharim
delicate raft
Pre
rancid silo
huh
delicate raft
Just lemme check one thing...
gloomy hazel
if the post-Scal bosses would be fought in the new world, it would depend on what world it would be
hollow shell
ashen warren
making buffed bosses of calamity bosses
rancid silo
i guess xeroc is like god
hollow shell
yes
rancid silo
thats gonna be fun
gloomy hazel
if it was a deep jungle, it would be legit that Yharim had to be fought here
ashen warren
i think, the summoning item can be maked with The Rock
defeating boss rush
i guess
rancid silo
what if the teleporter teleported you to the dogs pocket dimension
gloomy hazel
...
rancid silo
where you fight yharim
gloomy hazel
No
rancid silo
also what is goozma
hollow shell
Goozma is the destructor
and Xeroc is the creator
hollow shell
It's
kinda
maybe
might still be a thing, iunno
ashen warren
emm, i talking if the summoning item of Xeroc can be made with The rock
after boss rush
gloomy hazel
Ok, let's say that the device could be dropped by the DoG instead
and it teleports to a post-DoG world, rather than dropped by Scal
ashen warren
in every world mode?
gloomy hazel
in every world mode
ashen warren
normal,expert,revengance and deathmode no?
gloomy hazel
yes, and the created world is shared with the current world
hollow shell
What's the value in having a second world?
gloomy hazel
more exploration
rancid silo
build space
ashen warren
can be a alternative world
gloomy hazel
^
ashen warren
or the original world before yharim kingdom
hollow shell
I mean like
why would Calamity go through the effort of doing that
You've gotta have something big, a significant reason
gloomy hazel
That kind of world, a world where Yharim resides in, where his dragon and his other allies are
some kind of deep jungle
no?
novel pebble
So like, an alternative world with different stuff?
gloomy hazel
yes
ashen warren
yharim ruled the calamity world
rancid silo
an alternate timeline where yharim took over everything?
ashen warren
in the quotes of amidias(sea king)
hollow shell
Yharim did take over everything
rancid silo
but to the extreme
hollow shell
I guess an alternate dimension would be a good way to have a Yharim's Castle kind of thing
a big huge structure that you don't have to worry about taking up the original world's space with it, or generating over anything important
gloomy hazel
ok, so you mean that in this world, it would have the castle of Yharim sitting in the middle of the world like the jungle temple but to the surface?
ashen warren
but the problem is, in the world generating mod would be confusing
hollow shell
Yeah prolly, Dovah
gloomy hazel
Sounds fine to me
ashen warren
for making that it need too much time in the update
hollow shell
And yeah this will inevitably bring about a fuckload of bugs and coding headaches
gloomy hazel
Actually, yeah, that's be great
ashen warren
like for a 1.5 calamity update
gloomy hazel
I haven't seen any bug on this mod yet, so I can count on the modders on that
hollow shell
In an ideal world
maybe
we could have an alt dimension with cool lore-significant shit, unrestrained by vanilla generation and other stuff in the base world
but
this ain't an ideal world
s'gonna cause a lot of pain
(also #bugs-read-pins exists)
gloomy hazel
how about the world is nothing but the castle surrounded by impenetrable walls that covers the whole map? That'd save time, I guess
I don't know anymore...
ashen warren
the idea its not bad but coding that its so difficult
rancid silo
its a great idea
ashen warren
if the mod its bigger, making that would the Double of Data
gloomy hazel
I was thinking of the world being small by default
ashen warren
for frame reduce
gloomy hazel
yeah
arctic tapir
@gloomy hazel that’s an awesome idea but
I don’t think anyone would want to subject themselves to creating that
rancid silo
i would
arctic tapir
It would probably be real buggy too
rancid silo
i just cant code
hollow shell
btw add a reason to that suggestion
queen delta
I feel like a 2nd world would be memory intensive (unsure about this) and hard to make (also unsure about this)
gloomy hazel
I know it would be time consuming, but I think it would be mind blowing if it was made, at least
hollow shell
Saying what advantages an alternate world would have over remaining in the base world the whole game
rancid silo
plus N E W B U I L D M A T S
gloomy hazel
let's say that it would prevent the vanilla world from having too many aftermaths, too many hard mobs, etc...
queen delta
Honestly the best part about progression is permanent changes
gloomy hazel
^also
queen delta
The world constantly evolves, and should be kept that way
gloomy hazel
ah...
queen delta
Unless things get too out of hand
rancid silo
yeah but when your world is over taken by a metric fuck ton of hard mobs to get through
hollow shell
Also Dovah I meant literally add it to your suggestion via editing it
gloomy hazel
Mmmh...alright
rancid silo
and yes constition is amazing
gusty geode
If I may, having a second world would double the space you have to work with in terms of world gen
Then again, idk if something like that is possible yet
viral moss
the hoverboard / vortex boosters lag behind a lot late game because of low vertical flight speed but the horizontal flight is really useful
queen delta
Edit that into your suggestion
viral moss
yeet
gloomy hazel
okay, mine's tweaked now
rancid silo
or just add extra large worlds
arctic tapir
Does ✅ mean the devs got it, or that they like it
frail urchin
Read pins?
vestal elbow
ashen warren
is the idea good?
fresh harbor
Kinda takes away the need to refight many bosses and learn their patterns but idk, might be someone's cup of tea
I don't really enjoy it though
dusty stirrup
Eh no thanks
arctic tapir
Just use imksushi boss loot switcher token @ashen warren
arctic tapir
? Are you sure
It worked for me I’m prettty sure
That’s how I got sirens song, unless I’m mistaken
ashen warren
It may have been a different mod
queen delta
I'm thinking of adding another suggestion. After rewatching part of my summoner pt, I'm thinking skeletron can get a little change
Maybe make his hands invulnerable but his head not solid anymore and have much higher health for compensation
If you guys are a fan, I'll post it, otherwise I'll abstain
The rest of the details of the fight stays the same
queen delta
No I'm thinking just have it affect rev+ or just deathmode
It's still pretty easy but would keep the fight more interesting
arctic tapir
Ohhh
queen delta
Gonna wait for more opinions before I post it
distant gyro
sounds like circly circle
queen delta
Yeah but at the same time, theres hands there ready to slap you
distant gyro
skelly with hands is just kinda forcing you to make a bigger circle
unless you change hands ai or sth
queen delta
Well that's kinda what I did so if I wanna put this suggestion, I'd probably have to propose another change to prevent bigger circle
Or at least make it more challenging
But at the same time, skeletron is always circle anywas
smoky wagon
Skeletron already is tough as heck on death mode when i fought him
because he shoots so many skulls when the hands are gone
queen delta
Yeah I guess I'm just focusing mainly on myself
I killed skeletron as summoner without removing his hands
queen delta
Yeah but at the same time, a lot of people especially struggle with skeletron
arctic tapir
Fuck skeletron in any context any mod
earnest raptor
@ashen warren
Good idea, but it can't work with modded armor.
Like, when I has killed Provi in White Dwarf set, she would not drop Molten Amputator.
Unless devs will write armor register from every existing mods.
ashen warren
oh
queen delta
But wait isnt eidolists at early hm?
distant gyro
If you can beat them early hm yes
azure flower
they do spawn in early hm
distant gyro
it can be done pre cryo
azure flower
but they drop like ecto and shit post clone
arctic tapir
Ah
distant gyro
nonetheless mage buff is weird idk
pliant bone
I dont think mage needs a buff pre-mechs.
queen delta
Maybe the stats should be at late-hm tier but dropped by eidolists anytime
So if you manage to kill earlyhm eidolist, you get a good benefit
While late hm doesnt benefit as much from the cape
distant gyro
But mage buff really?
queen delta
Yeah i guess it is already fine
Maybe give that buff to another class
Rogue or summoner could use some help
distant gyro
Mage is already really good especially post clone
pliant bone
Mage doesnt really need a buff anywhere atm.
Prob somewhere in post-ml I guess it needs one?
queen delta
It'd have to be good for it to take one of my usual accessory slots
distant gyro
but the dank spank and genisis appears postML
queen delta
Considering it decreases some parts of mobility
arctic tapir
Okke
jolly kettle
there is a eiodlost cape in calamity vanities, but it dosent do anything, do not know if they can just make another one here
earnest raptor
Mage doesn't need a buff in Pre-mechs.
Imagine a Sky Fracture with 102 damage in tooltip
And Death Valley Duster with 224.
ashen warren
Imagine judging how strong weapons are based on tooltips 
livid coral
Actually... having extractinator drops of all the ores would be pretty rad
wide patrol
Should I post that separate? I kind of like that idea too.
Might as well, I guess
Whatever gets me more stars
queen delta
Uh no just combine them in one
queen delta
Just delete the first one
radiant meadow
and reword it a bit
wide patrol
magic
queen delta
And provide reason for why it should be a thing
wide patrol
that ok?
queen delta
Yeah looks good
This is optional, but heres some grammatical and revisions to make it look good: Having all modded ores being in the extractinator drop pool after unlocking them would be pretty awesome. A bit of quality of life when you don't want to go digging up your whole world and end up having spare slush/silt/fossil.
elfin maple
While I'm not sure of the implications when it comes to coding, the extractinator suggestions definitely sounds like something that would work well.
elfin maple
LuiAFK has something like that
frail mantle
luiafk's arena maker just makes a 200 block long platform
hearty spade
Why not just use TEdit at this point
elfin maple
Why not edit your computer's RAM directly at this point
worthy fiber
An arena generator wouldn't fit in the mod anyway
elfin maple
Yeah, those would work better in QoL mods than mods like Calamity really
ashen warren
wat
Yea uh, very low quality suggestion.
I'd check the pins and redo that.
@flint sequoia
In this channel and #suggestions-voting
charred sorrel
umm should i do expert or normal mode??
radiant meadow
this isn't the place to ask
charred sorrel
?
radiant meadow
if you really are having trouble deciding on your own, ask in #calamity-mod-talk
queen delta
I think the lore thing should stay as is, considering there’s 39 bosses, that leaves a lot of room for enough lore.
ashen warren
please no
bitter topaz
@paper torrent that was the original idea, and was changed due to it being obscenely unfair iirc
marsh gust
have you thought about how chaotic it is to fight all 3 sentinels at once?..
paper torrent
queen delta
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/571472433341792257 literally suggested yesterday
ashen warren
@paper torrent i did that suggest
queen sail
How many times has it been suggested to have all 3 sentinels spawn simultaneously in death
hollow shell
I think it's only been delivered once
but how many times its been suggested and didn't reach the req stars, I don't know.
radiant meadow
I doubt it's getting implemented though
on the basis of it being extremely unfair
ashen warren
but its fun
radiant meadow
is it really fun for signus to be in your face while weaver is on sky patrol?
not to mention void's lasers keeping you on the move
frail mantle
it'd most likely just feel unfair and chaotic if they tried to tear open your asshole for housing all at once
ashen warren
void's lasers its slow
radiant meadow
ye well, have fun while also under the pressure of cosmic mines, lanterns, lighting, weaver, and signus
ashen warren
i tried to kill DoG with summon on armageddon
but one of screen lasers hitme on 0.2% life remain
frail mantle
ok
lost agate
All sentinels at once is not good at all
While you may beat CV and SW by walking, Signus just shits all over that strat
It would be unnecesarily overwhelming
swift wharf
making the order random would be nice
frank stratus
randomized order would work
i think all sentinels is good, because you're post sentinels and should be already experienced
queen delta
looks like @small talon 's suggestion got accepted
frank stratus
well technically yes 
frank stratus
well i mean it also technically can't be flagged because it doesn't have enough stars
lost agate
I find it funny how you 2 basically stating farming = boring
queen delta
Can you make night's stabber less boring to get
lost agate
Boring*
queen delta
But yeah part of the fun of heart of the elements and the sponge is the collection
Constructing exo weapons are always fun for me
swift wharf
what about essence darts,
like darts made of eleum/sunlight/chaotic
Eleum leaves ice flakes that aren't affected by gravity;
Sunlight works like sun spirit staff/magnetic sphere (more like sun spirit ) that fires short ranged yellow beams
Chaotic explodes or something
and maybe even upgrade for those
nimble dock
26 - Gave certain lore items stat boosts while placed in your inventory. This change was inspired by Sekiro's memories that can be used to boost attack power. - Done
This seems like maybe it would crowd up the inventory 
nimble dock
Maybe make it so that only 1 can be active or make a little lore bag to put them in
Well, there's more inventory slots than there are boss lores
So if that were the case, it'd be like trying to balance something out by just making it annoying to use effectively
Like making you deal 1.5x damage but you have to control the character with an upside down controller
bitter topaz
there's going to be a trade-off besides "clogged inventory"
sleek wadi
Is the trade off gonna be something like opportunity cost?
Like sure, you got a lore item that provides this, but using it means you can't use this other lore item that provides that
nimble dock
Well yeah, but that's adding a sense of challenge
Making it so that you can only use a few of your inventory slots would be completely manageable
Just tedious
swift wharf
the biome ones should give buffs to the determined biome
but decreases stats while in other biomes
ashen warren
Why does bird always react with grey exclamation mark and also sometimes give star on the same message?
bitter topaz
looks at the reactions list/master/legend in the pins
ashen warren
Ah apologies, I am dumb.
warm grove
I’m not the only one to add additional non-star reactions. Also, people can react multiple times on one message.
bitter topaz
wait i misread
yea i have no idea why he reacts to anything but the star. the reaction gets removed anyway once me or another mnod reviews it.
radiant meadow
Can people please not react with ❕
bitter topaz
all it really does is add an extra click anytime we need to remove them
warm grove
@radiant meadow ❕
bitter topaz
don't.
just. no memeing in here, please.
unless you're aiming for a warn, that is
actually, after further thinking
@warm grove have a warn. and don't be an idiot, please.
warm grove
alr!ght
fresh harbor
Get a load of this guy, yikes
eager palm
havent you just been told to stop @warm grove
warm grove
fine
livid coral
Iwill sick my mods on your if you do that again, Bird.
@warm grove Also you are literally on grounds for a mute or even a ban if you keep up this behavior. You've been exceedingly disruptive and unnecessarily toxic lately.
warm grove
not my fault none of the discord servers I’m in have places to vent about rev skelememe being too hard even with above tier gear and a friend
unique vector
what does that have to do with being annoying and using this channel improperly?
bitter topaz
^
livid coral
Skeletron Prime's been fixed in future updates anyway so quit your bitching.
arctic tapir
idk sp was fine for me, just be better
warm grove
I’m talking about normal skelememe. Skeletron Prime is a cakewalk compared to normal skeletron.
queen sail
What does rev skeletron's difficulty have to do cutting yourself close to a mute
arctic tapir
also if its really that bad just turn off rev for him
bitter topaz
can we not go offtopic, please?
unique vector
well, if we had to compare the two based on nohits
livid coral
Yeah let's move on.
unique vector
mk
cosmic kiln
@warm grove dont worry man it took 3hrs and 50 tries to beat skelmeme in rev
teal ibex
@livid coral could you hmu with some of those skelly prime changes in calamod or pms? 
cosmic kiln
rip
livid coral
I thinkkk the logs showed it. We made him slower.
livid coral
So he doesn't yeet at you at the speed of sound
radiant meadow
ye, he's sluggish now
teal ibex
thank the lord
radiant meadow
it actually fucks over my strat so bad
lost agate
I nohit him on rev and he was actually fun
cosmic kiln
sans skeletron when
radiant meadow
moreover, this ain't suggestion talk anymore 
lost agate
True dat
cosmic kiln
lost agate
Yayeet
spiral olive
cosmiliite farming isn't that bad tbh, after the first kill make a weapon and you can down him again a few times pretty quickly
ashen warren
Firstly, it's cosmic guardian not devourer of thots.
Secondly, killing DoG with a post-DoG weapon is piss easy, as nin said.
Lastly, this is just a bad version of the old astral.
DoG farming isn't bad at all in my experience, doing crab arma for gold is a worse grind in my book.
Terraria is a game based around grinding and farming, remove them and you essentially have a boss rush.
Might as well just make the starter bag give demonshade, all dev weapons and exo weapons, all the meta accessories, and terminus.
It's more interesting than making every grind take 10 minutes or less so you fucking lobotomize yourself grinding shit with nothing interesting happening.
gusty geode
If I had wanted to turn it into a boss rush I would have asked for something like an NPC that sells Cosmolite
This way you get a little more of the other half of Terraria: exploring, building and mining
also hey, they got an actual name for the mini-worms now
teal ibex
the issue i have with this is that it's not very elegant
if you get the 1 cosmolite meteor after dog is killed, and it gives you like the same amount as killing dog, then you're effectively just doubling how much you get from the first kill which means godslayer armor and then... some more grinding, unless you sit around and wait some more 
if it just gives you enough for everything you would need, which meteorites tend to do, then the proceeding meteorites are entirely pointless and just serve to cover up the world some more
it's not inherently interactive and it just sorta feeds you more resources without much effort on the part of the player, so unless it's very carefully designed to not be a complete skip, it's doesn't serve the issue well
i've had ideas on alternatives for dog farming, namely incorporating a cosmolite pickaxe at the cost of a hefty amount of cosmolite to, in turn, obtain more by other means
but just handing the player more cosmolite basically for free doesn't really add much
that being said it's way too high effort to be bothered suggesting anyway, so
ashen warren
Wow, my comment is getting quite a bit of support. Thanks guys!
arctic wren
I mean you're still 63 stars short
gusty geode
Yeah, idk where it is now but it needs to get to 90 for it to even have a chance of getting in
zenith hazel
doggo drops plenty of cosmilite the first time you kill him, enough for you to make at least 1 weapon for any class (except summoner) for you to re-kill him over and over again
for summoner, just pray you get lucky and get mechworm first try or otherwise, make post-doggo accesories using the amount of cosmilite you have instead of slowly crafting god slayer
sleek wadi
The issue with DoG farming was never difficulty but rather time. The fight is still longer than average even with equipment above its tier and the fact that you usually do it 4-6 times over the course of a playthrough doesn't help. The only other boss you fight THIS much, assuming you don't fuck up and die against Providence over and over, is ML because like Cosmilite, Luminite is also in everything and a half
zenith hazel
true, the fight being excruciatingly long is also a major factor
i mean a dumb but probably viable way to shorten the fight would be to spawn his final form with an item using cosmilite
queen sail
Most people suggest to have something just spawn phase 2 dog
zenith hazel
but after all, it's the staff's decision
queen sail
Since most of the time you want some more cosmilite to progress through a decent chunk of post ml
but you're going to waste like
at least a good amount of time due to how long the fight takes
And considering how much cosmilite is used in post ml recipes...
teal ibex
my big issue with the suggestions i've seen so far for reducing the cosmilite grind is that it's not an alternative and instead just cuts out content from the fight or bypasses it entirely
arctic wren
I'd say dog farming is mainly annoying when you're just past dog
so killing him is still somewhat difficult and/or tedius
when you're strong enough to take on yharon dog is easy, and once you get past even yharon p1 you largely get weps long enough to yeet on dog and the sentinels quickly
not to mention exo-tier stuff that just kills phase 2 in seconds
teal ibex
yes but most of the dog stuff is incredibly useful for yharon, so it doesn't really matter by then
because you only need a fight or two more by that point
arctic wren
Yes
honestly I think a better way to reduce the grind would be to just increase the amount of cosmilite dog drops
but I've never really seen dog farming as being too annoying
teal ibex
that would be the least intrusive, not the best though
the best would be to make the cosmolite grind itself more fun or interesting, but that's too time consuming
arctic wren
true
teal ibex
actually you said better anyway so i'm too tired to read 
arctic wren
maybe they could just make cosmilite spawn all over the world? like dog's armor scattering through space or something
... honestly, though, that'd just make it "kill a boss, go mining for 10 minutes then never worry again" like auric is
teal ibex
that's what i mentioned above
adding a cosmolite pick, reincorporating mining a bit more into that part of the game
since the pickaxe goes gallant, which is immediately post moonlord, to blossom, which isn't necessary until before scal
so a cosmolite pickaxe, at a cost of cosmolite, would allow the player to bypass refighting dog if they dislike the fight to instead search for cosmilite throughout the world, or planetoids, or whatever
and then the players who like the grind can just get cosmilite that way instead
but, like i said, it's waaaaay too much content to add most likely
arctic wren
or maybe make blossom pick mine cosmilite and then make a cosmolite pick for auric
silent berry
placid moth
teal ibex
true but meteorites are massively low effort grind in comparison to fighting dog, so it might be a liiiittle too sidestepping
zenith hazel
i mean it sounds good on paper but grinding for legendary weapons is really tedious
frail mantle
maybe elaborate a bit on that one
frosty kindle
@copper flame elaboration is needed on how it would function, the weapon damage, why it should be added etc.
warm quail
eager palm
@warm quail thats gonna be a warn, please dont shitpost in here
ornate pecan
Can someone get Fabsol here
void kelp
what does she sell?
lost agate
You mean the npc or the person?
ornate pecan
I think he means the NPC
void kelp
the Martian npc; the info is kinda vague and idk what role she’d play in progression
ornate pecan
Well then again this is tying into one of my previous suggestions
In fact here is a part directly from said suggestion:
Androids (Planetoids): These androids are an alien experiment to try and infiltrate human society, kill enough of them and maybe one will see the error of their ways.
frank stratus
cursed inferno too op 
chrome oasis
hey i have experienced some bugs in multyplayer where the mechanical worm summon does not target yharon
any help?
radiant meadow
this isn't the right channel
rocky needle
Wrong channel. Help and advice or bugs is where you wanna be
bitter topaz
that's not the place for this
chrome oasis
oh ok
frank stratus
well
chrome oasis
i did not know sorry
rocky needle
It might not have been a bug, but a gameplay fault. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
frank stratus
you're usually supposed to post in help first, and if it's a bug, then post in bugs
ornate pecan
Fuck me, I have not been doing as good as I once did a month ago
gloomy hazel
why not?
gloomy hazel
cough cough
anyway
I thought it could be a little hommage to one of my favourite games
queen sail
I mean if you want a weapon in the mod you could always donate
Money well spent
Anyways, this looks like a nerfed version of Grealm’s static cannon that uses mana
gloomy hazel
I'd like to donate, buuut...family rules...
queen sail
Anyways I’m gonna have to pass on this
gloomy hazel
Fine...
queen sail
The mod needs suggestions to help improve it as it is right now, new items and weapons are most likely a separate priority
And “Why not” as a reason to add something makes it seem like you want it in for the funsies
queen sail
Aka just there in the mod for no reason other than “Hey, a weapon”
gloomy hazel
I had made suggestions about other things than weapons anyway
queen sail
If you’re going to make weapon suggestions, I’d recommend looking at the mod’s weapons first
Since people usually make weapon suggestions to help balance out options throughout the game
gloomy hazel
There's the magnetic meltdown that is a post-ML weapon, mine was supposed to be Hardmode only
Or maybe I'll go for its "Blitz" alternate which doesn't rely on crowd control but instead becomes more powerful the longer it is locked on
I'll edit the suggestion
done
it's edited
Is it better looking, Kirby?
queen sail
I think you’re missing the point
The point i’m making is that weapon suggestions usually don’t get considered or supported unless there’s a good reason for it to exist
For example, post ml yoyo suggestions get credit because the game just stops at the obliterator
So if you’re going to make a weapon suggestion, you should mostly consider why you think it should be in the mod
The why part usually ends up being the one that’ll convince people whether or not the suggestion is worth taking
gloomy hazel
Fine, I WON'T make weapon suggestions if that's so
fresh harbor
They're just stating their opinion on your suggestion, not saying that you shouldn't make weapon suggestions
ashen warren
"Don't write suggestions just for the sake of writing suggestions
Make sure there is actually a reason to have what you're suggesting"
- The pins that nobody reads
queen sail
I was just about to post that and explain
But yeah I was going to say that if he wants to make a suggestion, he needs a legitimate reason for it to be in the mod
Not just for the sake of a reference or for something cool
livid coral
Items that go in the game NEED a function. Why are they there? A cheap reference won't cut it.
queen sail
@livid coral well i know this sounds contradictory but there are some weapons that are straight up just materials
civic pond
does this especially apply for melee
livid coral
quickly hides Z-Saber
civic pond
lol
queen sail
:hmmm:
civic pond
I wish i had an upgrade to the grand guardian
instead of it going straight into earth
livid coral
Grand Doge
queen sail
Eh, me too
civic pond
queen sail
Sad it kind of ends there before MEME SWORD
livid coral
You guys have noooo idea
civic pond
also can i get an exact name of those flails
queen sail
Thanks for confirming that the GG upgrade exists in the next update lilac
civic pond
the stretchy exploding ones
queen sail
civic pond
like cosmic
civic pond
queen sail
:hypertrauma:
civic pond
Grand guardian is the best form of "true melee" i've seen
queen sail
Anyways what flail
civic pond
Swords that stretch
queen sail
They have no official term in Terraria atm
civic pond
big sad
queen sail
Anyways suggestion time
ashen warren
Unfortunately almost all defiled nohits/kills in general use hooks at least semi-extensively.
Hooks dismount you.
And when you have boots + wings you still have some flight, allowing all that mobility except you can't fly up so good.
Having a low jump and no flight alongside it being a mount with all their limitations and it can't even beat angel treads.
If the mount were way earlier it'd work but there's a reason why the basilisk and unicorn are used so little in the grand scheme of things.
ashen warren
I'd just give it lotsa jumps.
ashen warren
Go back to bundle tier but have buffs.
civic pond
or i'll just have to think of another mount
ashen warren
Since as-is I don't see this being used at all.
Unicorn can run faster than angel treads iirc.
ashen warren
You do learn a great deal of stuff if you become active here.
civic pond
.
radiant meadow
basilisk and unicorn are actually hot for destroyer and prime nohits
radiant meadow
run for your life and circle the head eye
civic pond
i was planning on giving the drakomire more buffs
cosmic kiln
radiant meadow
providence can use cosmic car key as a failsafe if you run out of flight time
ashen warren
Also the breathing thing.
ashen warren
Influx waver tbh.
cosmic kiln
influx waver=amidias trident?
ashen warren
I still believe it should have an upgrade, weapon good.
Yar amidias is based somewhat on influx.
Also, cosmic car key ain't drakomire.
civic pond
drakomire with buff legs
ashen warren
Might wanna format that after reading the pins in here and in #suggestions-voting
Post that as-is and it'll probably be removed.
ashen warren
Well, devs don't generally go here.
And you can't star shit here.
wide patrol
yay the extractinator suggestion made 90 stars
smoky wagon
The Giftbringer
A sword which shoots out frozen christmas ornaments in a high arc that explode into icicle shards upon hitting a surface or an enemy, inflicting Frostburn and Glacial State. Ten percent of the time, a present is launched that spawns 5-7 healing orbs where it impacts, like those from the Burnt Sienna. After a present projectile is spawned, another cannot be spawned for 10 seconds.
Recipe: Christmas Tree Sword, Frostbrand, 2 Ruinous Souls, 15 Frigid Bars, 2 Cores of Calamity, 1 Naughty Present, 1 Frost Core
Reasoning: The Christmas Tree Sword is one of the most overlooked weapons in the game so I think having an upgrade of it would make it more of interest, and the concept of firing Christmas-themed projectiles can lend itself to a unqiue and fun weapon. There is also is a noticable lack of ice-themed weapons after Moon Lord.
gloomy hazel
post that in the #suggestions-voting channel
ashen warren
Where is holiday halberd
gloomy hazel
you can do it in notes from your computer's desktop, you know?
smoky wagon
i typed it there and pasted it
ashen warren
well you need feedback before you post that
gloomy hazel
^
smoky wagon
i could add that
sleek wadi
Another_fucking_sword.png
smoky wagon
i forgot about that weapon
sleek wadi
Melee is already doing fine for post-ML, if they need anything they need variety in weapon types
smoky wagon
well i dont think there are any weapons similar to what i came up with
aside from "lol its a sword"
i might make it use cosmolite since post-dog has less options
sleek wadi
Off the top of my head we already got 3 projectile swords for DoG, being Terror Blade, Ultisword, and Soul Edge. Even for post-DoG there is still Galaxia, Devils Devastation, and The Enforcer. Melee is doing fine for projectile swords and a healing gimmick is not enough to justify this weapon.
Oh and those are the viable options. There is a couple of other unviable ones too
sleek wadi
There are true melee ones as well
ashen warren
Perfect
livid coral
hides Z-Saber again
smoky wagon
smoky wagon
eXoShiV!!1
civic pond
what does?
ashen warren
The suggestion.
wind iron
or maybe just a drop chance of 1% for the juvenile version
smoky wagon
make it drop a new weapon maybe
wind iron
20% look quite high i do agree
cyan lagoon
Or maybe make a unique weapon for it instead
smoky wagon
owned
civic pond
ashen warren
The fact that it drops seadragon at all is the problem.
wind iron
yea maybe but im 2 scare 2 make 1 since the more weapon there is the ezier it is 2 break the gamer
cyan lagoon
As a post-polter ranged weapon alt
Since Sulphurous Acid Cannon's main purpose is crowd control
ashen warren
Fab makes weapons that require grind stronger and weapons the require less weaker.
Unless it's 1 in 1 million seadragon would be nerfed and then they only have whisper for DoG.
wind iron
yea i though of a kind of magic book that throw actual (similar ball) like the monster
ashen warren
Mage has 2 prime weapons for that tier.
ashen warren
Two is many after ML.
zenith hazel
considering everything is hard to grind post-ml, yes that's a lot
wind iron
the book for the juvenile 1 maybe ?
smoky wagon
well post ML could always use most weapons to flesh it out
ashen warren
Technically after ML it's meta weapon to meta weapon for almost every class.
Only 1 to use.
ashen warren
Adding more weapons would serve nothing though.
wind iron
maybe more mechanic ?
smoky wagon
some people dont like using the same weapons every run
cyan lagoon
Tbh the majority of postnl is like that
Specially since its just get weapon and fight boss
With only post polter opening an opportunity of exploration
zenith hazel
until maybe scal, that's when everything culminates
ashen warren
If you add a low/mid-tier weapon then few will use it.
Add a high-tier and you run into balance issues.
cyan lagoon
If anything
wind iron
but is my idea cool ? i need feedback :v
cyan lagoon
What postml needs currently is actual content to flesh out
ashen warren
And weapons that are interesting tend to deal less damage due to being shackled to mechanics.
smoky wagon
the issue is when developers think "gimmick"="can't be good"
ashen warren
Careful balancing takes time, time that could be spent on better things like finishing the mod.
cyan lagoon
And i dont mean bosses, actual reasons to go exploring since every enemy that isnt buffed (and even then if they arent a miniboss they are fucked) has the raw endurance of wet tissue paper
smoky wagon
you can have a viable gimmick
ashen warren
That's post-ml in a nutshell.
However if there was a heavenfallen stardisk upgrade for DoG I wouldn't use it.
The gimmick is fun and works but not for post-ml
smoky wagon
then it could be adjusted
give it homing so its less tedious to use maybe
and make it not hit blocks
wind iron
or make the upgrade not do a fraction of dmg but the full dmg ?
ashen warren
See how that's the route post-ml already goes?
wind iron
maybe make a weapon that make everything come out of the player ?
instead of an actual position or a aimed place
wind iron
no i mean
smoky wagon
Face melter
wind iron
its not somethin' you aim at , its just like a general attack that surround the player
hard 2 explain
ashen warren
Granite boombox?!
Fab dislikes free damage mechanics.
smoky wagon
Like a damaging aura?
wind iron
kind of
but not
take for exemple the inferno potion aura , but from there there is multiple spike goin' outward and fly over
smoky wagon
orbital projectiles?
smoky wagon
that type of weapon is fine as long as it doesnt fill like half the screen
make it need careful play
wind iron
yea
or maybe an attack just like the yharon relic but instead its like the inferno potion
and the longer you havent been touch the stronger it get till it reach the peak
livid coral
We're gonna fix the lack of exploration post ML. Eventually.
gloomy hazel
with the teleportation device I suggested earlier?
wind iron
is it doable 2 make the map bigger ? in heigh ?
if yes just make it bigger and make a provaned island
that cannot be entered till X boss is beaten
gloomy hazel
I don't think that'd be part of the lore to have a profaned island, since Providence lives in the sun
gloomy hazel
eh...I'm just saying
wind iron
wait it was at somepoint ?
gloomy hazel
Is my suggestion for the teleportation device post DoG gonna be looked into? 
wind iron
or maybe make a biome below the underworld 😃
ashen warren
Worldgen stuff is not a thing cause relogic is an italian grandmother.
gloomy hazel
I guess I won't see any "teleportation device" added...
radiant meadow
Try to not use reaction pictures please
gloomy hazel
Okay, okay! Fine!
radiant meadow
what?
autumn lion
biome below the underworld might be impossible to do. But yet idk
frank stratus
It should be possible, but extremely buggy
frank stratus
Well the thing is
Yha Ron has the terminus drop because the shrine ceases to exist on some worlds
So yharon has to stay, but the shrine also does, because if you replace it with a unique item and a world doesn't have it, its like murasama
devout seal
Yeah, the last abyss layer's pretty boring..
eager palm
But you can get there even pre boss tho so including a powerful item would be pretty bad
tranquil totem
Then just make the item scale like the community or smthing
worthy fiber
scaling items are bad
ashen warren
Item scaling ono
worthy fiber
no no
ashen warren
weapon scaling big ono
eager palm
Alternatively have it so that yharon instead drops a consumable version of the terminus
grand badger
If a world is bugged enough to not have the abyss shrine and you really want to get your ass handed to you by the bossrush, can’t you just get any of the countless cheat mods or get to a different world (since you’ll have diving suit by then)
eager palm
Something with a different name tho
ashen warren
Great idea roB
Not really tbh, since br is a pretty challenging and long term fight it's gonna be a chore having to beat yharon everytime you wanna go at it again
turbid sedge
I think that's the same reason why the end game bosses have non-consumable summons as well
ashen warren
Consumable eye of extinction 
eager palm
The non consumable would still be available in the abyss
sinful violet
those were epic times
eager palm
The yharon one would just be a Bootleg in case you're lazy to go there or have no shrine
sinful violet
Yharim's copy which he used
devout seal
By the way
Boss rush atm, is completely pointless.
sinful violet
yes ion
eager palm
There will be a reward
sinful violet
we know that
eager palm
It's been said countless times
sinful violet
the point is the challenge anyhow
devout seal
Later, and by later, i mean way later, it'll be required if you wanna do the last superboss
I think..
Not sure if that's updated.
sinful violet
ion what's your point
devout seal
That there's really no reason to do anything to it until it has more of a reason to be done
I guess
Idk.
tacit rock
its just a final challage for players if they feel like it
strange patio
I always thought that stone you get for winning is more than enough incentive
devout seal
It is a pebble.
worthy fiber
It's special
tacit rock
^
sinful violet
it's a special rock
strange patio
Its more than enough
devout seal
I know.
But, it's just not very interesting compared to what i know is coming
But, it's placeholder, atm
strange patio
As long as the pebble stays as one of the rewards....
devout seal
Well, all i know is that boss rush is a ritual to summon some of xeroc's power to challenge the person who withstood the ritual.
noble turret
he
tired haven
@slim lion resprites are handled separately, less ordered. The PBG resprite is somewhat close to release though iirc, art server knows for better
slim lion
I figured so, but since I hadn’t checked the art one and haven’t seen much about it here, I figured I’d mention it
He’s definitely one of my favorites, right next to Leviathan+Siren, so it’s cool to know it’s being considered already
sinful violet
art server currently knows nothing about the to-be-released stuff
the old version was scrapped
tired haven
Was it? That's 
fossil torrent
looking forward to it as fuck
tulip parcel
okay so I have an idea but I should explain it somewhat
Jumping Jelly Bean Jar - a classless weapon that operates similarly to grenades
It's an infinite use item that, when used, tosses a random colored jelly bean that bounces three times before exploding
I think one color for each color of the rainbow is fair enough - red-orange-yellow-green-blue-indigo-violet
not sure whether the different colors should have different properties, damages, or be uniform though
royal turtle
there's another mod that makes the boss rush not useless
by having something craft from The Rock
bitter drift
so? why are you pointing to that
bitter drift
YES
royal turtle
yeah i got my ass handed to me by HM on Normal Mode
bitter drift
i kill it before KING SLIME
royal turtle
well yeah you can skip the entire starting progression
bitter drift
no i can kill it easily without any cheeses or good mobility
zenith hazel
hive mind is good enough already, it doesn't need a buff imo
royal turtle
fish up the Reaver Shark for hellstone gear, kill Queen Bee with hellstone gear, use QB loot to kill Skeletron, use a shadow key from the Dungeon to go get the Archerfish, use the Archerfish to kill Slime God
bitter drift
or weapons i used the mandible bow with wooden arrows
elder mist
Or
royal turtle
no need to kill king slime, desert scourge, eye of cthulhu, or eater of worlds before slime god
elder mist
Just use molten fury to kill SG
royal turtle
that's also an option i guess
elder mist
Reaver shark for hellstone -> molten fury -> SG
Demon scythe works as well for mages if you're good ig.
bitter drift
i remember me at my 2nd playthrough of calamity saying this is easy but fun
well the hivemind is easy but too easy to be fun
ashen warren
Hive mind is far more difficult compared to desert wormo.
Try and separate skill and difficulty.
bitter drift
wot
royal turtle
Hive Mind is not that easy
zenith hazel
^
royal turtle
besides, nerfing just HM wouldn't be fair to Crimson players
and iirc Perfs does not need a nerf
ashen warren
Hinve minde is pretty easy but desert scourge dies in under 10 seconds.
zenith hazel
perfs and hive mind are perfect bosses with reasonable difficulty
besides hive mind just got a buff recently anyway
bitter drift
all i need is a clowd in a bottle and aglet to kill the HM(hivemind) nothing ales
ashen warren
So you kill him with that weapon you don't have?
royal turtle
what difficulty?
ashen warren
bitter drift
yes this easy
zenith hazel
...what
ashen warren
As lady said, what diff?
royal turtle
if it's on normal mode no shit, normal mode is easy