suggestions-discussion

[ashen warren]

But barely

[gusty geode]

Sorry about that, I couldn't remember any specific ones at the time and I still can't now
Could look it up and see what I come across tho

[earnest raptor]

Another TEoC summon
New entry in Oversuggested list

I founded >10 TEoC staffs in 1.5 years.

[sinful violet]

10 bucks that mine was first

[tired haven]

@еveryone owes you 10 bucks now

[plush remnant]

TBH maybe if there are that many requests for a similar item then maybe it's showcasing the point that summoner is lacking diversity Post ML/Pre Prov

[earnest raptor]

Allow Armored Digger to drop something useful, as progression goes:
Post-Plantera: Cryonic Bars, Perennial Bars, Spectre Bars, Shroomite Bars, Hallowed Bars, Chlorophyte Bars
Post-Deus: Astral Bars
Post-Golem: Chaotic Bars, Bars of Life (rarely)
Post-ML: Luminite Bars, Galactica Singularities, Exodium Clusters
Post-Provi: Uelibloom Bars, Divine Geodes (rarely)
Post-Polter: Phantoplasm
Post-DoG: Cosmilite Bars
Post-Yharon 1: Darksun Fragments, Nightmare Fuel, Endothermic Energy
Post-SCal: Calamitous Essence
Why: currently, Armored Digger have a very few reasons to existence: Draedon's Remote in Post-Plantera and supply for Zerg. For enemy with 50% hp and damage of The Destroyer this seems too negligently.

Any throughs?

[vestal elbow]

a miniboss dropping scal mats

the post-DoG event mats and the bars are cool tho

[sinful steeple]

I like these except for everything post-ML

[ashen warren]

Tbh for summoner I just defeated polterghast and then used the calamari's lament to destroy the Providence

[vocal fulcrum]

Ml not dropping sum weapons
Yall heard it, sentries arent summons

[ashen warren]

Good summon weapons

[vocal fulcrum]

The portal is good, and even the crystal against mobs

[ashen warren]

Yeah but as soon as you get into post ml you can get the energy staff

Which is just a lot better

[vocal fulcrum]

Meh
I had no problems with stardust until polter

[bitter topaz]

@ashen warren rogue isn't a rebrand of throwing, and no does fab want to rebrand some throwing weapons as rogue

[ashen warren]

didnt mean it like that

[bitter topaz]

they're being left completely seperate, in every way.

[ashen warren]

why tho

[frail mantle]

@ashen warren it states in the oversuggested things doc that a throwing-rogue compatability isn't gonna happen, and throwing is also gonna be oofed in the next vanilla update

[ashen warren]

yeah but other mods have +throwing damage accessories and its annoying when you wanna go throwing class and you have calamity on

when you go throwing class its calamity + no other modpacks or other modpacks - calamity

[frail mantle]

Fabsol has already stated that he hates Throwing code, so Rogue-Throwing compatibility isn't happening

[marsh gust]

thats just like saying oh we should change the bard class in thorium into magic cause i cant use magic class accessory with bard weapons

[terse sundial]

Also Throwing is dead in 6 months anyways

[frail mantle]

^

[ashen warren]

no not really

[marsh gust]

rogue is an entirely different class, just like how ranged is different to melee

[frail mantle]

throwing is just throwing shit, Rogue is different and has different mechanics

[ashen warren]

rogue is literally throwing but renamed

[frail mantle]

no it's not

[warm quail]

incorrect

[marsh gust]

rogue runs on its own codes, it is not related to throwing in any way

[ashen warren]

tell me whats so unique about rogue except its own code

[frail mantle]

stealth

also, throwing is getting removed from vanilla the next vanilla update

[marsh gust]

its not getting deleted in next vanilla patch is it

[warm quail]

what's so unique about throwing in comparision to ranged? Both is projectiles

[ashen warren]

you throw stuff

instead of using a weapon

[eager palm]

Bruh

[warm quail]

Throwing with extra steps

[eager palm]

Throwing is getting deleted, why is this convo going on

[frail mantle]

no idea

[placid moth]

isnt throwing code messed up and also trashed

[frail mantle]

ye

[sinful steeple]

Rogue is more than just a better throwing, it has its own mechanics and will likely contain much more than throwable weapons in the future

[zenith hazel]

can’t wait till the massive rogue update, sounds promising

[lost agate]

Well would you look at that, being told throwing is gonna dissapear next vanilla update like 3 times and still be going at it

Whats the point of making compatibility with a dead class?

[fervent zealot]

oh my fuck people still at this shit wow

yeah throwing is literally dead pack your bags and go to thorium discord

[ashen warren]

yesyes he's been told that several times now, no need to keep going at his throat for it

[lost agate]

Arite

[lost agate]

@ashen warren that sounds like something a standalone mod would do tbh

[ashen warren]

Oh okay, should I remove my suggestion?

[lost agate]

No no need to

Im just saying i feel like thats something a QoL mod would do

[elfin maple]

nice my suggestion reached the old goal

[radiant meadow]

I remember when it was 35

[faint rivet]

[warm grove]

I remember when it was 65

[sinful violet]

i remember when vai just asked people to ping her with suggestions they put proper work into

[radiant meadow]

[pearl lily]

Looking at the Arkhalis suggestion made me feel like the weapons weren't unique enough tbh

Like the Arkhalis is completely unique if you don't consider the Muramasa (I think that's what it's called)

[elfin maple]

If it gets accepted, Fabsol will probably make some changes to it to make it more unique than what I could come up with

[radiant meadow]

It's the murasama

[elfin maple]

mhm

Of all of them, I think the mage one is the most unique

The ranger is the least unique i think

[pearl lily]

An idea I just had (not necessarily related to your suggestion) is either a mage or ranger weapon that acts similarly to the Flying Knife (accuracy-wise) but it keeps firing projectiles and then releases all of them when you release the left-click

[elfin maple]

Sounds like a good idea

[pearl lily]

So as long as you're holding left-click you keep adding projectiles

Probably not a fast fire rate to avoid lag

[elfin maple]

Or you can only have one "spawner" projectile at a time

With a limit of maybe 20 smaller projectiles

[pearl lily]

Yeah a limit would also work

It's also like the Magic Missile line where they follow your mouse for aiming

[elfin maple]

yeah

The summon weapon is supposed to act a bit like the Enchanted Sword creature, but it also swings at close range like it's being held by some invisible entity

[pearl lily]

Yeah my main issue (issue honestly seems like too strong of a word) with the suggestion was that they have unique properties, but not really different functions

If that makes sense

[elfin maple]

Mhm

The only one that isn't unique really is the ranger one, it's basically just a shotgun plus minishark or something

[pearl lily]

Like a good example of a unique summoner weapon is Thorium's Shadow Ball Staff (I think that's what it's called)

[elfin maple]

I don't really like the ranger one

[hollow shell]

I'd be fine with them all having Arkhalis-like effects
turning to a swooshing fast projectile that deals continuous damage

Like the mage version shooting a pre-rendered barrage of bolts and the ranged version doing.. the same

[elfin maple]

What could we do for it?

[hollow shell]

hm

[elfin maple]

then they wouldn't really be unique if they all act the same

[hollow shell]

But they would all be Arkhalis :P

[radiant meadow]

probably should add vanquisher/cosmilite bullets to the oversuggested stuff

[hollow shell]

Maybe.

[elfin maple]

yeah

[hollow shell]

... yes

[radiant meadow]

and just blue check this one for now since it doesn't really add anything new that this one hasn't covered https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/520575902296440832

[queen delta]

But really tho, we get higher tier arrows after ML while bullets only have holy fire which is pre prov tier

[radiant meadow]

do they need them?

[queen delta]

Need? No, but it would help

[elfin maple]

I'd say that would be nice though

[radiant meadow]

More like nerf all guns that come later in progression after that ammo is introduced

[elfin maple]

hmm

[queen delta]

[severe burrow]

Acid rounds do 28

[elfin maple]

yeah

[severe burrow]

I don't see why having 2 more damage per bullet is going to make everybody flip their shit

[elfin maple]

mhm

[tired haven]

It always was more about effects rather than damage

Look at crystal bullets

[elfin maple]

Yeah

It's better if they have unique behaviors

That's what I try to focus on when making bullets (and weapons in general), it's the best way to do stuff

[lost agate]

@last star

!wiki vanilla

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Vanilla_item_recipes
Not the correct result? Use !wiki page vanilla for a direct link or !wiki search vanilla for a list of all hits.

Calamity Mod Wiki

Vanilla item recipes

The Calamity Mod adds recipes for certain vanilla items, weapons, and accessories that previously only could be obtained through chests or enemy drops.

[last star]

im dumb

im sorry

xD

deleted suggestion

also

thx

[lost agate]

Np

Also, i think that rogue and summoner suggestion gets ☑ ?

[ashen warren]

i don't understand how that isn't even in the game already

[radiant meadow]

when was the last time that was even suggested?

[queen delta]

Yeah that sounds very common and basic

[radiant meadow]

but it is quite a common suggestion

[lost agate]

Idk lemme check

[hollow shell]

October 5th

[radiant meadow]

there was one suggested november 12th by Vorbis

[hollow shell]

Is it bluechecked?

[radiant meadow]

yes

[hollow shell]

Well that don't mean nothin

gotta find the original

[radiant meadow]

o

[hollow shell]

This is the one
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/496915776574324756

Before Rogue existed hoo boy

[lost agate]

So is that a yes?

[hollow shell]

Yes

It's 2 days after the cut-off date :P

[lost agate]

Oh lol

[elfin maple]

heHhEEHeHhEH My SuggGGesTIOn hAs 69 stArs

ok but seriously i think this has a good chance of getting in

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren Don't:

[radiant meadow]

just remember that getting into the dev server != getting implemented

[ashen warren]

sheeet

[hollow shell]

("Make Yharim's fight cool" isn't a very good suggestion anyhow)

[ashen warren]

i tried ok

[hollow shell]

heh

[tired haven]

"Make x cool" overall won't sound nice anyway

🤷

[ashen warren]

i said dynamic

unique

[tired haven]

I'm taking source's example but eh

[hollow shell]

You could've at the very least given examples on how that could be done

[ashen warren]

big depressed

[queen delta]

That's like saying: Make King Slime fight more cooler

At least elaborate on how it could be cooler

[hollow shell]

((also not a super good comparison Yata cuz you just replaced one boss name with another's))

[ashen warren]

make it shoot lasers out of its crown that one shot you and home into you and never despawn

[queen delta]

And, like the others pointed out, this is future content. How do you know it isnt going to be cool?

[ashen warren]

and them put him after Scal

[hollow shell]

He will be
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/225030931008847874/549697564593750016/unknown.png

[queen delta]

Fab's already got ideas anyways, iirc

[ashen warren]

i ment king slime

[hollow shell]

[ashen warren]

when you kill yharim it makes king slime get buffed with the thing i said and has the slime gods

[hollow shell]

ok

[queen delta]

huh fishing in the abyss is a thing?

i thought abyss meant sulphurous sea

[hollow shell]

@radiant meadow It's not really extraneous code, because it's only checking the world width without checking the height
You'd have to add code to make fishing no longer be possible in the Abyss

[ashen warren]

oh i see your a wiki administrator i think you mixed up the daedalus and summoner helmets in the wiki

better fix that

summoner and ranger*

[radiant meadow]

well, isn't there code to make it fish up those specific things?

[hollow shell]

Anybody can edit the wiki, you could do that if you wanted to

[ashen warren]

oh

alright cool

[hollow shell]

Abyss fishing loot is the same as Sulphurous Sea fishing loot

[radiant meadow]

I'll go check that I guess

[hollow shell]

(afaik)

[radiant meadow]

well, it feels dumb to me anyways so remove it

[ashen warren]

i think i need to stop being stupid

[queen delta]

I feel like theres more to this "Anybody can edit the wiki" thing

like, theres always a troll out there that'll screw up the wiki pages

[radiant meadow]

there is

also, I don't think they're mixed up?

[hollow shell]

Also headgear is ranged, Shulker

yeah

I was thinking that it'd be understandable that there was a mistake
because Daedalus Circlet (summoner) is called DaedalusHeadgear in the source
and Daedalus Headgear (ranged) is called DaedalusHelmet

but nah, it seems to be written correctly as seen in-game

[ashen warren]

in the wiki the daedalus circlet has the headgear sprite

ignore the fortnite tab

[hollow shell]

Yep that is indeed a mistake

thanks

anyway
#suggestions-discussion

[ashen warren]

oh yeah

[frank stratus]

when you fish in the abyss

you ever just fish

[hollow shell]

@lime pasture What mode are you playing on?

[frank stratus]

i swear if its like

[hollow shell]

also Auric Tesla is a bitch and a half to get, hence its strength

[frank stratus]

with other content mods with op stuff im gonna die

[hollow shell]

inb4 Soul of Terraria

[frank stratus]

lmzo

[ashen warren]

normal mode

[frank stratus]

[lime pasture]

nah, expert with just legendary ark of the cosmos and tesla armor

[ashen warren]

maybe you need to stop shooting yourself down and realize your actually good at the game

[hollow shell]

Expert isn't meant to be super hard

[frank stratus]

tbh

expert mode is normal mode and normal is easy mode

[dusty stirrup]

@radiant meadow Fishing code only checks for abyss side (and height iirc), so it's not really that much extra code

[frank stratus]

smh but the extra bytes ..,.,.,.

[radiant meadow]

ye well it bothers me it's on the wiki

[dusty stirrup]

[lime pasture]

maybe i just got lucky with the 2% chance to take no damage

[clear basin]

phup

[dusty stirrup]

What

[clear basin]

helloo

[frank stratus]

lolok

[dusty stirrup]

Hi

[radiant meadow]

but I'll delete the suggestion anyways

[dusty stirrup]

It doesn't even check height, so nvm

Making it Sulphurous sea only would add more code if anything

[frank stratus]

o

[dusty stirrup]

That means you could technically fish abyss stuff in hell if you had water there long enough

[frank stratus]

yes

[radiant meadow]

hotline fishing rod hahauo

[ashen warren]

we don't need more ranged weapons

we really don't need more ranged weapons

[frank stratus]

we can change our current ones tbh

[lime pasture]

some that don't lag out servers would be nice though

[hollow shell]

@reef olive Those sound like two separate suggestions
It'd be better to separate them so that people can star one or the other

[dusty stirrup]

You can't get abyss drops from lava

[frank stratus]

[elfin maple]

Armor sets with active abilities are cool, I also agree with that suggestion

Ranged weapons though, I don't know, it would be nice but I think we really need more

[ashen warren]

where in the game's progression?

[dusty stirrup]

Gee I really love vague sugmas

[lost agate]

add stuff plz

becuase ik you arent doing so

[ashen warren]

100% real and complete suggestion

[lime pasture]

for real though, I do think the silva invulnerability is a bit too good, lets you fuck up a bullet hell phase real good and still not die

[lost agate]

yeah because your max hp lowers and its only once per life

[radiant meadow]

it has a strong drawback though

[lost agate]

yeah

and the god slayer has a 45 sec cooldown

which is a lotta time if you ask me

[lime pasture]

less than the potion cooldown

[lost agate]

so what?

[lime pasture]

i think potions + god slayer + silva gives you too much safety net, is what i mean

[lost agate]

potions cant heal off even one hit

silva just lets you fuck up once per life and reduces max hp and the godslayer requires to not get hit for that long

also, healing orbs aint that strong, how outdated are you?

[lime pasture]

I downloaded the mod on the 7th

[lost agate]

yeah but whats the version number

[lime pasture]

1.4.2.004

[lost agate]

well, it still aint convincing me

wait why am i even talking about this if the suggestion got stars removed?

[lime pasture]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow shell]

Keep in mind he was playing Expert
SCal's got quite a few behavioral changes in Rev iirc, and the arena is a lot smaller

[lost agate]

oh yeah right, i have to check expert and lower scal

[hollow shell]

Rev is usually what everything is balanced around

[lost agate]

for wiki reasons

[lime pasture]

rev scal does feel quite a bit harder

maybe expert scal just needs a buff

[hollow shell]

Or maybe Revengeance Mode is harder than Expert Mode :P

[lime pasture]

well yeah

i guess i just expected to get stuck on it more

also, you guys prefer patreon or paypal for donations? I do want to donate since the mod is great

[hollow shell]

There is a Patreon, you can find it in #info

just below the server invite

[cyan lagoon]

@ashen warren molotovs exist as a vanilla throwing wep

[ashen warren]

They do?

[cyan lagoon]

mhm

[royal juniper]

https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Molotov_Cocktail

[ashen warren]

Fixed

[hollow shell]

@summer egret Elaborate please
Give it an actual recipe and explain what it would do

[summer egret]

Dude right now I have the mental capacity of a chicken biscuit so I'll repost when i can

[hollow shell]

Okay

[lost agate]

hey that victicide idea is neat

[terse sundial]

I also think it's neat, it does make sense to include sea prisms in Victide. plus it gives wulfrum more time to shine

[lost agate]

Yeah its kind of the main focus of the suggestion i think

[radiant meadow]

I thought about adding sea prisms to victide bars as a whole

but I don't think people want mass victide nerf

[devout seal]

Seems fine to me, considering how annoying it is to get victide until you kill DS

[smoky wagon]

victide weps would have to be rebalanced

since they all cost few bars

[proven tide]

... what

[frank stratus]

idk

[lost agate]

I mean, yeah, they would be on the same tier as SS weapons

So they would be kinda bad

Some of them at least

[ashen warren]

Nice insta self-star

What about the astral chest? @vestal comet

[vestal comet]

Same thing

Key+ 5 ecto

[ashen warren]

Astral doesn't have a key.

[vestal comet]

Oh kek

Thats right

[smoky wagon]

astral bar+ectoplasm+aureus cells

smth expensive enough for the chest to be more appealing

[hollow shell]

Scourge of the Corruptor*

[vestal comet]

Cosmos*

[ashen warren]

[smoky wagon]

[ashen warren]

@ashen warren Boss suggestions aren't allowed fyi.

[turbid sedge]

I get the feeling he knows and doesn't care.

[lime pasture]

aren't the upcoming bosses already planned out anyway?

[real parrot]

yes

[lost agate]

Future bosses are gone yeah

[real parrot]

i think that they meant bosses after scal, like yharim and such

[lime pasture]

i should rephrase

[radiant meadow]

@ashen warren no boss suggestions are allowed, ye

[lost agate]

Oh sorry, misunderstood

[lime pasture]

btw, top tier discord avatar shucks

zero the GOAT

[ashen warren]

oh ok im sorry for boss suggestions

[lost agate]

Eh, it reminds me of my old pfps

[ashen warren]

k deleted my boss suggestion

[hollow shell]

Thank you

You never noticed the pings about your Post-Yharon jungle suggestion, did you?

[elfin maple]

I will take it upon myself to make that armageddon mod

maybe

[lost agate]

Issue with that is that you either find a way to get armageddon out of calamity or make your own item that does the same thing as arma

[elfin maple]

That's what I'll do, something that acts like arma

Maybe some other challenge modes

But this isn't the channel to talk about this

[lost agate]

True, onward to #other-mod-talk :3

[ashen warren]

voidragon exists

[hollow shell]

I guess it's meant as an in-between
but like
Seadragon is already crafted with Armored Shells and Phantoplasm

[ashen warren]

Why not drat but gun?

[hollow shell]

If you're gonna suggest an in-betweener, it'd make more sense for it to be Darksun-tier

[vestal elbow]

it only has 1 gun afterall
that tier has 2

[devout seal]

@soft coral There's a reason there's only one segment-based summon.
Also, desert scourge drops a summon, and that lasts until you can get something else, like the hornets or imps

[ashen warren]

not another worm summon

[devout seal]

The main reason there's only one segment worm summon
is;
Gestures to mechworm attaching to every single projectile, entity, etc.
that.

[ashen warren]

Tbh, put worm summons on the don't doc.

[frail mantle]

also we don't really need a flying summon pre-boss

most enemies and bosses can be reached by the slimes

[earnest raptor]

Draedon's Dart
Ammo
A ultimate ammunition
Can be converted to use with any ranged weapon
Pierces infinitely and through tiles, homes to enemies, heals you, leaves a trail of clones and meteors, explode into even more darts
Inflicts Ichor, Frostburn, Venom, Cursed Flames, Elemental Mix and God Slayer Inferno
Only one down: reduces weapon damage by 66%

🛠 : 500 Elysian Arrow + 500 Vaniquisher Arrow + 500 Bloodfire Arrow + 500 Arctic Arrow + 500 Frostburn Arrow + 500 Terra Arrows + 1 Phantoplasm + 1 Endothermic Energy + 5 Auric Ore + 1 Darksun Fragment @ 500 darts, Draedon's Forge

Can be converted by with crafting by hand: 500 arrow darts => 500 bullet darts => 500 rocket darts

Any throughs?

[frail mantle]

that sounds maybe a tad overpowered

[ashen warren]

So, it makes guns deal half damage in exchange right?

Like chloro with the 20% nerf.

Cause that shit insane.

[tired haven]

Sounds like fps death

[frail mantle]

i mean, leaving a trail of clones and meteors, exploding into more darts and life stealing?

[earnest raptor]

Added.

66% reduced damage is fine?

[ashen warren]

Seems alright, I preferred halving simply cause guns are weaker post-scal.

Onyxia scal might be a thing with those though.

[faint rivet]

Onyxia SCal is almost already a thing

[soft coral]

Tbh I only made a summoner suggestion hoping someone would make a better one.
Summoner is really monotone and has very few weapons. Yes you can beat a lot of stuff with slimes. But it's boring it's only slimes nothing else it needs an alternative especially because it's your starter weapon.
Imo you need to get away from your starter weapon asap but with summoner you need to kill a boss before you even have the possibility to do so

[tired haven]

@wooden leaf that sounds like omega meme
Also there are no softcaps that can be disabled without being purely broken, damage and crit ones are gone long ago anyway

[ashen warren]

100% DR is fine

[tired haven]

[ashen warren]

[wooden leaf]

Uhm but its the Rock

[ashen warren]

The rock is just a meme

[wooden leaf]

Its literally the last thing in the game

Why not make it more broken than SoE from fargo

[ashen warren]

Stop tryin to make it something.

[wooden leaf]

It should be....i think

[tired haven]

It really should not

[bitter topaz]

is this a meme suggestion?

[wooden leaf]

Nah

I mean it for real

It should be an usable thing

They even say the true result will cone

[bitter topaz]

oh, so it's just a generally awful suggestion which makes very little sense?

[tired haven]

can we consider assigning any functionality to The Rock "don't" suggestion tbh?

[arctic wren]

...

[ashen warren]

Uh, why?

[bitter topaz]

wh
what's the point of this, exactly?

the lore items are intended to be useless

[ashen warren]

Lore items serve to tell lore, them being trashed is the intent.

[bitter topaz]

they're literally just flavour text and are gonna stay that way.

[worthy fiber]

Why is it a cannon out of all things

[arctic wren]

I, uh, mean... I'm not exactly against giving the lore items some kind of use presuming they can be regained if you trash them? like being used to make the yharim summon or being given to an npc to get tidbits on the lore

but why this?
lmfao

[ashen warren]

Lore items being given to a record keeper sounds neat.

Could give the full entries ingame.

[arctic wren]

I might suggest that but I imagine it's been suggested before

[worthy fiber]

It likely has

[radiant meadow]

or you can just be me and trash them

[arctic wren]

[radiant meadow]

and then see wiki as needed

[ashen warren]

But a scaling weapon that uses hecking lore items?
Nah

[arctic wren]

Still though I think implementing the lore a bit more in game would be cool
Like implementing some of the npcs mentioned
Amidias and Permafrost are a cool example of that

[swift wharf]

make them placeable

and right click to read

[ashen warren]

Statues or bobbles.

Lore + stone

[arctic wren]

yeah that would be cool

[pliant bone]

Out of everything you could do about a lore item, you shove it into a cannon and fire it as ammo?

[ruby cobalt]

Yup. Because we absolutely have to give them a use. And to Rock too. Also gotta add some functionality to SYNTAX ERROR.

[open prairie]

plus you'd like, get hardly any uses out of it

[sinful violet]

?

non consumable

[bitter topaz]

@hollow shell when you get the chance would you mind adding "don't give intentionally useless items a use (so the rock, lore items, syntax error and the like)" to the do's and dont's doc?
the reasoning should be fairly obvious

[open prairie]

tru

[sinful violet]

anyhow the earlier points stand

no reason for this

[frail mantle]

New messages for random Death Mode Boss Spawns
This Google Doc contains some suggestions for messages that can display instead of the current "Something is approaching..." that displays now. Bosses that haven't been given new messages already have their own in vanilla and can just use those.
Reason for this suggestion: Some more variety to the random boss spawns. Also, having unique spawn messages can be useful to at least know what boss you're about to fight before they spawn.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wEqglRcrN2jImqMOOe_nt-1Ny8yQD1BP75M-iwFPtos/edit?usp=sharing

thoughts?

[sinful violet]

first thought is nostalgia

second thought is yes

[faint rivet]

Tbh I kinda like the element of surprise

[swift wharf]

[sinful violet]

god i remember my old doc

[arctic wren]

DoG spawn message: "Watch out, KID! I'm fucking coming for you!"

[sinful violet]

in case you guys want to check for stuff to use actually

[arctic wren]

I'm sorry

[sinful violet]

i'll post it

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XL-bK03G0AJ0w3V5wkLyXPdmQNotO9bhc8dABSo0W64/edit?usp=sharing

[ashen warren]

Not sold on the HM/perf one or the pbg one.
The rest are nice.

[sinful violet]

these are real old btw

Still has future boss lore

And geldon for that matter

Was my first suggestion too

[ashen warren]

"A scorching gale howls through the jungle!"

Can just that be added fuck that's good.

[worthy fiber]

Some of them are a bit too long imo

[arctic wren]

I agree with Sequence

[sinful violet]

Ye some are definitely too long

namely the old future boss ones

[arctic wren]

That'd make a great p2 starting quote tbh

[sinful violet]

but it's fine since i just took those and put them in my boss fight compilation doc

i don't have a wesmart emote and that gives me pensive emotion

[void kelp]

ayy someone felt the same abt the HM and perf one not carrying the same gravitas

[ashen warren]

Yar

It's explaining what's happening instead of.. writing?

[toxic pagoda]

before I suggest it, do you guys think the eidolon staff should be a legendary weapon?

[placid moth]

no

[toxic pagoda]

ok

it is really good for how common it is ngl

but that would mean you cant use it in expert

[lost agate]

Its not really good on ML

[toxic pagoda]

my friend beat providence with it

[lost agate]

But genisis is most surely better

Also, reminder that as of now, legendary weapons aint that strong in general

[void kelp]

@frail mantle for the “something is approaching..” change for perforators perhaps, “The pustulant ground is bursting...” since you have to pop a cyst to summon it

[sinful steeple]

Boss text would be good

I'd rather not get absolutely no indicator as to whether I'm about to get jumped by a metal worm or an ice cube

Well... Nearly no indicator

[languid ermine]

well its not random

you just need 5 mins in the wiki to figure out the "boss is approaching" order

but yeah individual messages would be cool

[sinful steeple]

Several times I've been hanging out on my 10 block wide arena waiting for Cryogen to murder me and then Destroyer just kool-aids its way in

[rocky needle]

We don't need a reference to Yrimir just because he doesn't make videos anymore. He didn't even play Calamity.

It's not like he died either, dude just moved on

There are so many people as talented and far more talented than him. I agree he brought popularity but that was years ago. With that argument people like Chippy and HappyDays should also have references

[sudden quail]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Yharim's name itself a reference to Yrimir?

[rocky needle]

I wouldn't be surprised, but I have also never heard that before

[silent berry]

does this make yrimir final boss

[novel pebble]

I don't think so

[earnest raptor]

I have idea about some statues for Terraria-related guys.

And Calamity-.

Like a statues of Chippy, Pinkie, Loopy, HappyDays, Crabbar, Levi, Mrrp, Teragat and others.

[rocky needle]

[sinful steeple]

Yrimir like never did anything Calamity though right

[frail mantle]

nope

[rocky needle]

Nop

[sinful steeple]

So then why should there be something Yrimir related?

[rocky needle]

There shouldn't be. It would be unfair on all the great Calamity players who don't yet have something in the game

[distant gyro]

subtle references are good enough imo

[rocky needle]

Assuming it's true, Yharim being named after Yrimir is good

[distant gyro]

iirc it's not

[rocky needle]

since it's subtle enough

well it's just a hypothetical, something along those lines

imo references like that should be steered clear of unless there's a really good reason for making it

[distant gyro]

@ashen warren But SG doesn't have any pink

good idea though

[frail mantle]

but SG is a slime

[lost agate]

He had before

[distant gyro]

maybe make the core drop slimes like everyone else

[sinful steeple]

Zerg

There now you have pink gel

[hollow shell]

big smh, who removed the stars from Lore Cannon. I didn't add anything to the Donts yet, yknow.
Bad suggestion, yes, but totally legitimate. They even had a "why"

I'm putting the star back on it but I will add giving useless items a use to the Donts

[swift wharf]

make it summon a pinkie when ded

like blob lord from etg

[soft coral]

*pinkie pet

[sinful violet]

more like

thorium already has that

[soft coral]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tired haven]

What is this, some fancy yt promotions?

[ashen warren]

Make crab statue

Oh wait

[swift wharf]

lol

[ashen warren]

[hollow shell]

@elfin maple People already get pinged by me asking for elaboration if they post a vague suggestion

Usually the grey exclamation mark remains on it until it gets expanded upon

[elfin maple]

Ok

[hollow shell]

You can keep the suggestion

[elfin maple]

Ok

[hollow shell]

for it to be made more official

but
it's already kind of a thing in practice

[elfin maple]

ok

maybe ask Kannushi to add it to the suggestion rules?

[radiant meadow]

it already is in the rules

[hollow shell]

This one kinda has the same idea but it could be expanded to include all suggestion types

[radiant meadow]

or this

• Be concise in your suggestions and always choose quality above quantity.

[elfin maple]

Yeah

[radiant meadow]

@lime mica not trying to downplay your suggestion, but letting you know that yet another boss health bar has a "health bar" counting number of enemies needed to be killed for the shield
additionally, you can watch for the red orbs

lunar event enemies release orbs that fly back to the tower to "hurt" the shield
they stop releasing orbs when the shield is gone

[lime mica]

yeah but what if you don't want to install another mod? in fact, why not just use calamity's bar to measure shield integrity

No i know that

I mean while you're breaking the shield

It remains the same until it, like, actually is dispelled

it's not really a huge deal but i find it annoying that it doesn't change graphically to let me know how much longer i have to slog through brainsuckers and crawltipedes

[radiant meadow]

the shield begins to look weaker as you kill more enemies

like more transparent

[lime mica]

if it does i cannot tell

[radiant meadow]

it's not definite, but it is a change

[hollow shell]

It'd be better for that function to be incorporated into Calamity's boss health bar
With the little text underneath displaying the required enemies to kill, like CV has with Dark Energies, or Deus has with the lesser worms

Giving that purpose to Lifeform Analyzer is strange

[severe burrow]

yeah why the lifeform analyzer

Not everybody crafts the cellphone

especially if they have a small screen.

yes you can turn off the things you don't want the phone to display, but that's something you just have to figure out on your own and still requires the rest of the crafting tree anyway

[elfin maple]

Maybe, instead, the game could send out messages depending on how much health the shield has left
50% - "The [tower]'s shield is starting to weaken!"
25% - "The [tower]'s shield is almost destroyed!"
Broken - "The [tower]'s shield has been broken!"

[queen delta]

I like rover's idea with putting it in the calamity boss health bar better

[fervent zealot]

^

yours seems more like somthing 1.3.6 should do tbh

[elfin maple]

mine?

[fervent zealot]

mhm

[elfin maple]

ok

[ashen warren]

please no

[radiant meadow]

[ashen warren]

they're already hard enough with everything going on in the fight

[fervent zealot]

they're too chunky to get away with that

[ashen warren]

please don't do this

[fervent zealot]

they're not slim little boys like sg core is

[radiant meadow]

brb forwarding to test hq

[ashen warren]

[fervent zealot]

i can't wait to get hit by the corners of an indrediby hihg speed brimstone bol

[hollow shell]

They're good for area denial, and a guaranteed method of preventing you from staying in one place

[ashen warren]

I just feel like they're a little too simple. Maybe a little more of a threat would be nice. Personally I dont see them as much of a challenge.

[hollow shell]

Well yeah they're not meant to be a main obstacle

[fervent zealot]

they're mostly area denial, they do their thing fine

[hollow shell]

It's the fact that they're there alongside all the other shit

[unique vector]

you know what would be really cool?

if instead of orbiting the player, it replaces sepulcher at 8%

where its like enter the gungeon's final boss, one of its attacks you gotta move through a wave of bullets

circular rotating bullets, most of them connected but they move in a way where you have to move from gap to gap

[elfin maple]

just no...

[distant gyro]

Make that a thing only at 1% tbh

[unique vector]

nah

if its done right, it wouldnt be too bad

and makes it less repetitive than just "reuse sepulcher"

[ashen warren]

I'd prefer if they don't get a change at all, it's already filled with shit beyond where the brimstone monsters appear

[unique vector]

i mean, nam, orbs dont exist at all until 8%

[distant gyro]

then bh4?

[unique vector]

now for making bh4 interesting...

that would require more thinking

[distant gyro]

bh4 would need more pew pew then

[unique vector]

no

just more creativity

thinking of something along the lines of... moving brothers to bh4 instead of 45%

they go away after bh4, but are invulnerable during it

[distant gyro]

or brothers respawn idk

like in clone's

[unique vector]

bc rn, they last literal seconds at 45% and serve almost no challenge

[ashen warren]

How about the brothers become invincible at 20% instead of spawing at 45%?

[unique vector]

ew no, i hate the respawn mechanic

[ashen warren]

is this sarcasm or are you actually planning to make the fight alot more of a mess
and brothers are getting a rework anyway iirc

[unique vector]

seekers exist at 20%

nam

[sleek furnace]

adding them to a bh could add something to both said bh and the brothers in general

[unique vector]

i dont like the fact that you just see something about an scal change and go "hey are you joking bc that sounds like a bad thing"

can you at least explain why you think its bad?

[ashen warren]

In reality any SCal suggestion becomes a controversial subject

because imo it's already a big mess as it is, I don't think it requires anymore changing
but you can still suggest it I guess, I'm merely just saying I don't think it needs more changes

[unique vector]

im saying you can make it better than it is rn

there are sections where it feels like a slog to go through

[ashen warren]

Again, it is PERSONAL opinion. You dont have to listen to a word I say.

[distant gyro]

I feel like SCal is fine the way it is

[unique vector]

i.e. brothers doing almost nothing to the fight other than be stalling mechanics

[elfin maple]

but you put it in a suggestion to be added to the mod...

[unique vector]

and the rework i dont like too much

it sounds like the fight's length would be extended a lot more than it should

a too lengthy of a fight gets boring fast, especially since its a challenge and not something that's beatable in a few attempts, typically

[elfin maple]

yes, it is more than just a boss

[unique vector]

plus, what im saying is that if the moons are changed to not be in bh4, then something should compensate for that

[distant gyro]

that something would indeed be hard to think of

[unique vector]

point is, the fight could use a few tweaks

and if you think its to "make it harder" then you're looking at it the wrong way

[elfin maple]

if the moons become harder, something else should be nerfed

[lost agate]

looks at most recent suggestion
OH HELL NAW

[unique vector]

moons seem fine in all honesty

although it could be changed if there is a need to

[elfin maple]

besides, if you want it to be harder, you can just use one of the many difficulties calamity has to offer

[unique vector]

also #suggestions-voting thats so bad lol

basically levis that can charge at XYZ axis

[lost agate]

They arent a distraction, they quite literally force you to move in another way, aka circles, which can cause some funny outcomes

[unique vector]

ye

[lost agate]

Funny as in i took 2 months to figure it out perfectly kind of funny

[elfin maple]

boi

[unique vector]

if they theoretically undergo changes, it would affect the fight drastically

requiring more changes to give it a similar feel while at the same time being different

[elfin maple]

Yeah, we should probably leave SCal alone for now

[lost agate]

Yes

[unique vector]

ye

except for brothers

[elfin maple]

yeah

[unique vector]

i feel like they're the most pointless attribute in the fight aside from being lore-friendly

[elfin maple]

they're adding 2 new superbosses soon right?

[lost agate]

I would rather not focus more on moons rather than the brimstone vomiting eye ball in front of me

[unique vector]

not soon, but yes

[elfin maple]

ok

yharim and draedon if i'm correct

[ashen warren]

those aren't super bosses but yeah

[elfin maple]

wait

i thought they were

[distant gyro]

Xeroc and Goozma are iirc

[lost agate]

Maybe for a while they will be super bosses who knows

But the final superbosses are those altix said

[elfin maple]

ok

it'll be interesting to see how they turn out

[sturdy dock]

don't think we have any plans to add yharim or draedon as superbosses, they'll be regular before and after goozma/xeroc

[elfin maple]

ok

still interested to see how they'll turn out

[ashen warren]

Where's the suggestion? @fervent grove

[radiant meadow]

@fervent grove you'll have to elaborate on what you want

[queen sail]

Nerf the player’s flight speed so they can’t run away

Mate I know that Calamity’s post-ML needs work but that’s not how you make good enemies

[ashen warren]

That's on the same tier as the Acid rain debuff when it got introduced to nerf the player after ML

[queen sail]

It got moved to the SS and now it’s just

Weird

Since you won’t usually be there often unless you wanna go abyss farm

[ashen warren]

Or get that cannon

[queen sail]

Anyways, enemies need to feel more like obstacles that players have to overcome (sometimes in great numbers) to get a reward

So enemies should be all about attacks and AI

Not putting the player at a disadvantage

They need to feel more like a fair challenge where if you die, it’s because A) You lack the strength necessary to proceed B) You fucked up and need practice

[ashen warren]

It's basically impossible to make trash enemies actually hard post-ml.

You have far too much mobility, which is a defining factor of post-ml.

[queen sail]

Spawn in groups, teleportation, speed, high defense, etc.

It’s hard to make challenging enemies during a time where your mobility is top notch,

But nerfing the player isn’t the best option to make post-ML an actual challenge

It just makes it fake difficulty

[unique vector]

nerf flight speed

more flight nerfs? hell no

no thanks

[ashen warren]

Perma defiled post ml

[paper torrent]

No.

[ashen warren]

Aren't exo things not allowed?

[radiant meadow]

exoshiv falls under exo weapons on the suggestion don'ts

[ashen warren]

yee

[queen delta]

@paper torrent I aslready suggested a shiv upgrade like 3-4 days ago that got submitted

[paper torrent]

Oh.

[radiant meadow]

it's not specifically not allowed but it's pretty much frowned upon

[queen sail]

They’ll probably make the damn exo weapons eventually

[radiant meadow]

they take a lot of work and likely won't get in

[queen sail]

They need the sprites and ideas on what they’ll do first

I’ve seen like

[unique vector]

exo weapons are like

[queen delta]

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/566669217064157192

[unique vector]

low priority

[queen sail]

5 people make an exo rifle sprite in the art server

[unique vector]

probably even lower than scal respriting

[queen delta]

but my suggestion puts the upgrade at post DoG-pre yharon tier

[queen sail]

So they’re probably on the list but you shouldn’t really expect them

[ashen warren]

ouch that's old

[queen sail]

And?

[paper torrent]

Are shivs more like a joke/challenge weapon?

[ashen warren]

Jokes?

Not exactly.

[queen sail]

Considering they went through the trouble of actually making them probably not

[queen delta]

And the shivs are actually pretty good

[ashen warren]

Jokes get removed. See THE LORDE

[queen sail]

LORDE got removed because people took it way too seriously

You saw what the fucks did to dokuro

[ashen warren]

Dokuro gets bullied anyways

[sinful violet]

Also the shivs can be amazing

See: WoF true melee

and: Terra shiv

[queen delta]

and hopefully in the future: cosmic shiv

[queen sail]

Why is it that whenever I see you you have a different name @sinful violet

[sinful violet]

Boredom

[paper torrent]

The fandom: LORDE music when!?

[cyan lagoon]

Never

[unique vector]

lets not get too off topic with the lorde stuff

[ashen warren]

Right then, new suggestion:

Star Stealer

A mage weapon that harms enemies in a damaging aura, costing mana when activated near an enemy. The aura works similarly to the life steal from the Life Drain, except restoring mana rather than health. The aura's size changes based on the mana level, with high mana having a small extremely nearby radius, and lower mana being able to steal from a longer range. Whatever range, using the weapon should require the player to get near the enemy in order to regenerate mana. This does not activate near indestructible projectiles and only steals 1 mana per hit near bosses in a high-defense form. The wand also inflicts mana sickness the longer it's used, slowing down the mana regen and preventing instant mana recovery after spending it all on a high-damage weapon.

Why: The heart rapier could use a counterpart, and some people don't want to lose an accessory slot to the mana flower when using relatively smaller weapons. Plus, it'd be nice to take a gamble for mana restoration instead of "whoops, out of mana drinks potion ...nvm", but not use the weapon permanently to just leech off of a boss, hence the shrinking AOE.

[queen sail]

Just make it the same progression as the HR and I’m good

I was wondering where the mana counterpart was

[ashen warren]

inflicts mana sickness the longer it's used
Seems like garbage tier tbh.

[queen sail]

Let me read again

Just saw the initial concept it presented

[unique vector]

why inflict mana sickness?

shouldnt that already be a thing considering it uses mana?

[ashen warren]

Mana sickness after 5 secs then?

[queen sail]

Vehemence does it but then again i treat it as more of a fun weapon

[unique vector]

see the thing im confused about is

its better with low mana, worse with high mana

[queen sail]

It’s pretty much just a dev weapon

In the guise of a nondev weapon

[unique vector]

1. that makes zero difference considering you're gonna use it with lower mana levels and not when you have most of your mana

2. it costs mana but regens mana?

[ashen warren]

Regen > Mana Cost

[unique vector]

so its redundant then

it would be useless at higher mana levels

you can just say "restores mana when below 50% mana", but thats hard to keep track of for a weapon

might as well make it a better mana overloader

[ashen warren]

The original intention was to bring mages in for a risk to regenerate mana but not be able to have a constant source of damage that regens on itself.

Then make it deal no damage.

ezpz

[unique vector]

the issue i have with it is the utility

[ashen warren]

With massive mana restore since mana regen potions exist.

[radiant meadow]

I don't think the weapon itself costs mana

it just does magic dmg

[unique vector]

it seems like there are a bunch of gaps and overlaps of the weapon's utility where it would work far better than intended in some situations while completely unusable in others

anyway i gtg to bed now, gn

[radiant meadow]

uhh, oh well

[ashen warren]

ouch

[queen delta]

i kinda like the concept but i feel like it can be reworked a bit more

maybe it deals damage and gives mana as well?

Sorry if im misreading it, im a bit tired rn so i might miss a few stuff

[ashen warren]

So, what the new(est) concept is, is a no-mana costing, no damage dealing, life drain with limited range at higher levels, but normal range on regular.

[earnest raptor]

Caustic Membrane
Post-DoG shotgun
Shoots a spread from 8-12 caustic bullets, that on impact with tiles explode into 6-10 caustic shards, that disappear in short time. Both bullets inflicts Plague for minute.
🛠 : Shotgun + 25 Plague Cell Canister + 10 Cosmilite Bars + 5 Phantoplasm@ Draedon's Forge
Why: you don't have a decent shotgun for Yharon, so that challenge stops here, like yo-yo. Also, reference to EtG and upgrade of fabulous Boomstick.

[queen delta]

Replace boomstick with shotgun

[earnest raptor]

Any ideas?

[queen delta]

We got enough recipes requiring boomstick and that weapon is annoying to get anyways

[ashen warren]

Replace shotgun with tactical shotgun

As that is technically the upgrade

[queen delta]

Oh right i forgot about that

Yeah do tactical shotgun instead

While its more annoying to get than shotgun, its an upgrade and more fitting for a post DoG weapon

[earnest raptor]

Tactical Shotgun already have a upgrade.

[ashen warren]

What, which one?

[earnest raptor]

Conclave Crossfire

[ashen warren]

that one aaa

[queen delta]

Hmm, alright i guess lets leave shotgun as it is

But maybe also add phantoplasm to recipe since calamity likes to follow that trend

But that doesnt really matter

Maybe make the shards home in as well? That one is up to you

Since that element seems to rely on your concept of the shotgun

[radiant meadow]

shotgun eventually upgrades into onyxia

could be a disseminator upgrade

[queen delta]

Yes but its the least annoying to get compared to boomstick and tactical shotgun

[ashen warren]

Shotgun is also purchasable

[earnest raptor]

could be a disseminator upgrade
No

Disseminator have a different way of attacking.

[ashen warren]

Tbh this is kinda just a shotgun that shoots combined acid rounds and terra bullets without the acid round defense thing.

[earnest raptor]

In EtG that weapon are same, why you need a different pattern?

[queen delta]

EtG?

[sinful violet]

enter the gungeon

[queen delta]

oh

[ashen warren]

disregard

again, no

Mana Rod

A tool that envelops enemies in a draining aura, costing no mana when activated. The aura works similarly to the life steal from the Life Drain, except restoring mana rather than health. The aura's size changes based on the mana level, with high mana having a radius similar to the heart rapier, (if it was used at all angles at once), and lower mana being able to steal from a longer range (the life drain. Whatever range, using the weapon should require the player to get near the enemy in order to regenerate mana, in order to go in for "strikes" with the weapon, getting more mana until the range closes in/enough mana has been obtained. then running out as to avoid damage. This does not activate near indestructible projectiles and only steals 1 mana per hit near bosses in a high-defense form. The wand's drawbacks are the fact that you aren't able to deal any damage with the rod, and that getting close on higher levels will be harder than having no mana at all, as the latter needs the mana more, whereas the higher levels can still use their weapons, but can go in and use the rod to regain some Mana if they find themselves that desperate. The rod is ideal for bosses with droves of minions, and perhaps worms like the EoW, as large amounts of entities can be drawn upon and be used to quickly regain Mana.

Crafting: (10) Mana Crystals @ HM anvil = (1) Mana Rod

Why: The heart rapier could use a counterpart, and some people don't want to lose an accessory slot to the mana flower when using relatively smaller weapons. Plus, it'd be nice to take a gamble for mana restoration instead of "whoops, out of mana drinks potion ...nvm", sacrificing all damage overall for a short tine for more mana, as apposed to using the mana flower and having a permanent mana sickness debuff on, which lowers the DPS significantly, because once you've used all of your mana with the mana flower, potions will constantly be used to power whatever weapon you have.

Redux!

[radiant meadow]

there's no mention of mana regeneration potions in the why

[ashen warren]

Ran out of characters

Aside from that, aren't mana regen potions less effective while moving?

Like, a lot less

[radiant meadow]

no

it acts as though you're always standing still

[ashen warren]

ouch

Well, the Mana Rod isn't passive, but should have a better payout in terms of mana, wheras the Regen potion will take some time, and the Mana Flower gives you a damage reduction debuff

Regen potion takes like 2 seconds max

So uh, instant full mana?

If you take an appropriate risk and get close enough, sure

[queen delta]

But mana isnt really an issue later in the game

[ashen warren]

Unless we're talking post WoF, then it should be fine

[queen delta]

Your recipe calls for it being made post WoF

[ashen warren]

So mana stops being an issue post WoF?

[earnest raptor]

This more fits a Thorium healer, that a Calamity mage.

[ashen warren]

Howso?

[earnest raptor]

Suggest them to Thorium server

And remade it a bit to Healer tool.

[ashen warren]

How does it fit a Healer though?

[earnest raptor]

No damage, mana supply, aura.

[ashen warren]

It doesn't support a team, and it doesn't really provide health

It's for self use really

[earnest raptor]

Because of Mana Regeneration Potion, in singleplayer your item didn't have a much usecase.

As healer tool, that provides a aura of insane mana supply for other, that can be good.

[hollow shell]

@mossy parcel If you want things to be easy, just play Normal or Expert
That's a weirdly specific thing to be able to disable and it'd require a lot of reworking

It'd also make some fights a lot more boring :<

[vestal elbow]

hive mind without summons

[mossy parcel]

Listen, I have an annoying 12 year old cousin who doesn't have discord, and he keeps on bugging me about posting that, I'm more or less agreeing with you on keeping the summons, but seriously though, this kid can't stop yelling at me.

[distant gyro]

imagine clone no brothers

free fight +

[worthy fiber]

[hollow shell]

wtf kick his ass

dont let babies boss you around

[vestal elbow]

tell him to git gud

[elfin maple]

ok so you want a child difficulty

[distant gyro]

^

[elfin maple]

well not you

idk

[distant gyro]

make a 12yo mode mod

[vestal elbow]

and you're playing modded
there's many mods for making you more powerful

[hollow shell]

tell him to install Antisocial Mod
all vanity slots become normal slots

[elfin maple]

nice

[distant gyro]

Plays Calamity
Wants to make boss fights free

[elfin maple]

if you want to be like that just use hero's mod

[distant gyro]

the ultimate 12yo meme lol

[elfin maple]

calamity is not a "ok here is free stuff for idk" mod

[distant gyro]

^

[elfin maple]

your cousin does not care

[mossy parcel]

He is obsessed with calamity because of the music, and I keep telling him that the music doesn't even matter what mods you should use, and he be like "I can handle it, It'll be easy" he says

[elfin maple]

oof

[mossy parcel]

Normal mode may I remind you...

[elfin maple]

tell him to beat scal with a copper shortsword

on normal mode

he be like "yeah lol so easy"

[distant gyro]

Epic

[mossy parcel]

lol Reb

[elfin maple]

seriously try that to mess with him

[distant gyro]

your cousin sounds really annoying ngl

[elfin maple]

i want to hear how it turns out

[mossy parcel]

I bet tomorrow he's gonna be like "Why hasn't it been put on calamity, I'm going to play Fortnite!"

[elfin maple]

give him a copper shortsword and eye of extinction and tell him to beat the boss

or even give him terra blade

[distant gyro]

I would just keep meming him tbh

[elfin maple]

he be like "lol i can beat a boss with terra blade"

[mossy parcel]

lol

[signal ibex]

this is completely unrelated to the suggestions and you people should take it to #general-talk

[elfin maple]

yeah

[hollow shell]

Thanks Gundam

[lucid marsh]

@radiant meadow I’d like to point out that wolfrum is a bit underpowered for fighting desert scourge, so I would suggest buffing it slightly, maybe +1 defense and +5% damage? That way, players that have trouble without victide will still be able to do ok and not have to skip all the way to gold armor or something. Also, I’d make victide slightly stronger if it’s being pushed back to after desert scourge?

[placid moth]

I think wulfrum is alright for DS.

It's really the weapon of choice that makes a difference for DS, like if it's piercing or whatnot.

It's an extremely early pre-hardmode armor set, and I think it should be left where it is right now.

[teal ibex]

LOL

[ashen warren]

W H Y N O T H E R E

[arctic wren]

[distant gyro]

[cosmic cove]

lul

[arctic wren]

Dumb idea but it got a laugh out of me

[ruby cobalt]

vro,...,.

[ashen warren]

vrudda.,.,.

[marsh gust]

@cosmic cove please dont, i'll hand you a warn for that

[distant gyro]

that random af suggestion tho lol

[cosmic cove]

oh...

Idk Just came outta my head cuz i tried to god mode DoG

[rocky needle]

I kind of agree with Shuangzai. Post ML is basically just a boss rush to the last 3, but I don't really know how to change that without a huge rebalance of the mod.

[marsh gust]

its cause he is supposed to bypass godmode >.>

[signal ibex]

Post ML should add more biomes.

[noble turret]

what

is dog supposed to bypass

[rocky needle]

No it shouldn't lmao

[cosmic cove]

as he also bypasses titanium armor...

[distant gyro]

I think we have enough things

[rocky needle]

The problem is that aside from bosses post ML is a slaughterfest

[marsh gust]

death mode's instakill head atleast

[signal ibex]

it feels like a boss rush for me

[distant gyro]

4 biomes are a lot already

[rocky needle]

You're just so insanely fast and powerful

[vocal fulcrum]

And the bosses aren't?

[cosmic cove]

they are...

[rocky needle]

That's what I'm saying. The only things that can match you post ML are the bosses

[frail mantle]

ok so basically
i feel like the Golden Gun and Rouge Slash are a bit too powerful for weapons that are pre-Providence

[rocky needle]

At least the enemies stand a chance pre-ML

[cosmic cove]

There is still some farming to do in the abyss

[frail mantle]

i tested it, and the GG gets approximately equal DPS to the Seadragon

[vocal fulcrum]

Are you sure about that? I need to think of eexamples

[cosmic cove]

GG?

[marsh gust]

grand guardian, i assume

[frail mantle]

golden gun

[marsh gust]

derp 🙃

[frail mantle]

also Elemental Ray gets around 17k DPS, while the Rouge Slash gets around 27k

[distant gyro]

Golden Gun gets Seadragon dps
wait what how

[vocal fulcrum]

Grand guardian sounds like a good gun name

[cosmic cove]

yeh

[marsh gust]

ive been seeing too much true melee memes forgive me

[frail mantle]

ok Golden Gun gets slightly lower dps than the Seadragon but it's still more powerful than the other options you get at that point of the time

[sinful steeple]

Isn't the golden gun an early hardmode weapon

[ashen warren]

yes

[sinful steeple]

How does it have ~seadragon dps

It does like 3 damage

[frail mantle]

oh fuck i meant golden eagle

[vocal fulcrum]

[sinful steeple]

I tried it and it was meh tbh

Did about the same as onyx chain blaster, but worse at short range

I'd say onyx chain blaster is better, since it's not like you'd be a mile away from something when fighting it

[hearty spade]

Does a non-consumable version of the Arid Artifact sound like a good idea? It kinda bothers me that rain, and as a consequence snowstorms too, can be toggled on and off whenever you like but sandstorm can't because the Arid Artifact is made either from a material dropped by a monster that only spawns during sandstorms or by a kinda rare miniboss that doesn't drop it 100% of the times anyway

[cosmic cove]

It is consumable?

I didn't know....

[hearty spade]

yup

[sinful steeple]

I don't feel like it's that important, because you'll get a ton of arid artifacts pretty early on.

[ashen warren]

Rain is arguably less useful and it has the infinite spawn.

[sinful steeple]

I guess, but the torrential tear isn't nearly as easy to get as arid artifacts

[hearty spade]

You get a ton of Arid Artifact only if you spend a long time underground

If you don't then your only way to craft one is to use a forbidden fragment, wich is the sole reason anyone would want a sandstorm pre-plantera

[rocky needle]

Get one arid artifact and zerg the sandstorm

[hearty spade]

Getting a Torrential Tear could be difficult but it depends on the Abyss layout

Ik Melon, but I don't really get why the Tear isn't consumable but the Artifact is

[rocky needle]

Yeah I get where you're coming from

[hearty spade]

It's not that big of a deal of course

But it would be pretty handy and would make sense

[earnest raptor]

That's what I'm saying. The only things that can match you post ML are the bosses
Yeah, I also bugged by this.

Post-ML in nutshell is just fighting beasts and murdering grubbies, that in HM was stabbing you.

[rocky needle]

Tbh there's not much that could be done. Post ML bosses are the only real interest anyway. Making super OP enemies would just be irritating to deal with. I think it's fine having post ML a boss rush

[hearty spade]

^

[earnest raptor]

But fast and effective solution not exists.

[rocky needle]

You still have to do a lot between bosses anyway. If you try and beat DoG without upgrading your gear from Providence you probably won't have a fun time

[earnest raptor]

Tremor did a attempt to make post-ML a interesting stage, but failed on many useless materials and disbalanced bosses.

[tired haven]

Exploration would be hard to fit in PostML space, grinding is already here, bosses too, events are lacking a lot though, and not sure but there def is some kind of cherry on the top the stage is missing

[rocky needle]

^

[radiant meadow]

exploration is found through stuff like uelibloom

[earnest raptor]

1.1.2 Avalon have a Sky Fortress (interessing concept, but executed too plain), Exxo Avalon empowers all enemies and add a new drops and many ores.

[rocky needle]

That's hardly exploration at that point. Grab a pickaxe, RoD and spend 5 minutes getting ore - if that

Exploration isn't really important by that stage anyway tbh, your world will already be mostly mapped out

[tired haven]

Let's be honest though, with abundance of utility upgrades like ampoule uelibloom mining takes just about that much
You spend much more time making a platform for doggo alone even

[radiant meadow]

well, if we end up adding more ore, then it just becomes useless fluff

[tired haven]

I'd stay silent about polter one

And no, ore is not a solution indeed

[earnest raptor]

Auric Ore is most useless ore ever

[rocky needle]

I'd rather have an event where the enemies drop the resources instead of another ore spawning between every boss

mix it up at least a little

[radiant meadow]

like nightmare fuel, endothermic energy, and dark sun fragments?

or even bloodstone or unholy essence to an extent?

[earnest raptor]

Concept of Coliseum of Fools from Hollow Knight can be one of solution.

That location give a threat even for skilled players, but instead of SCal, didn't give a much pain

[tired haven]

All these are nice, but likely, likely, the fact mobs do not pose a threat at this point makes those walkthrough and doesn't add much to experience

[earnest raptor]

like nightmare fuel, endothermic energy, and dark sun fragments?
Introducting these materials, as I think, one of most controversial additions.

[tired haven]

I forgot last time I died farming phantoplasm in postML dungeon but I clearly remember like 10 deaths in postPlant one

[radiant meadow]

I die every time I try and zerg in there for more phantoplasm

[rocky needle]

Post plantera dungeon is scary. Shit jumps out at you from everywhere and two shots you lmao

[radiant meadow]

tanky af paladins quickly remind me that's never a good idea

well, often times those zergs end with polterghast making a surprise appearance in a cramped space

[tired haven]

Wait, do these ores really cost that low? Lole

like 35 demonite ores = 1105 auric ores, hot

[earnest raptor]

Yes. So low.

At least, I can't remember, but I mined around 1000 ores and merchant didn't give from them more that 2 gold.

[sinful steeple]

Each block sells for 1 gold iirc

[earnest raptor]

Um, what

It get fixed?

[teal ibex]

wiki says 1 gold per ore yeah

[earnest raptor]

One of reasons to update mod.

[sinful steeple]

And if you had 1105 ore even if it was just 1 silver it would give more than 2 gold

[earnest raptor]

Okay, one question.

Is newest version of mod is compatible with a bit outdated music mod?

[sinful steeple]

Yes

[earnest raptor]

Alright 👌

[sinful steeple]

Also I calculated it and auric ore would have to be sold for like about 18 copper to be that worthless which I doubt it ever was

[teal ibex]

music mod will almost always be "outdated" because having to reinstall all the music every time would be very, very annoying

and because there doesn't always need to be new music

[zenith hazel]

i've just read a sentence that had both "auric ore" and "worthless" in it

today's a weird day

but yeah it should be more expensive

[earnest raptor]

Hm, yeah.

1000 ores provide money only for few reforges for exo-tier items.

[sinful steeple]

.

1000 ores would give 10 plat

[earnest raptor]

Almost any post-Yharon item have a 1 platinum reforge cost.

[sinful steeple]

Also btw I actually checked it and they sell for 2 silver

(checked in-game, wiki was outdated)

And honestly I think the 2 silver sell price is fair due to how easy to obtain that it is

Auric ore isn't meant to be an item to sell, it's a crafting material

[pliant bone]

That is just making some Bosses in rev+ literally easier than their Expert counterpart.

[sinful steeple]

Why would that exist

Some summons are incredibly important parts of the fight

[hearty spade]

Yeah SCal without Sepulcher would be ten times easier

[pliant bone]

If you really want to have an easy time, Go commit Expert mode

[sinful steeple]

Like 50% of Providence is fighting the profaned guardians she spawns, Sepulcher is literally two of SCalamitas' phases, and Calamitas' whole thing is being an absolute unit that also summons more absolute units

[pliant bone]

Even so, that isnt even a good solution on "making bosses noob player friendly"

There are bosses that are quite hard and doesnt rely on/have any boss summon phases

[rocky needle]

Perforator Hive without the Perforators lmao. This suggestion is kinda silly

[hearty spade]

Perforator Hive without Perforator would be the easiest boss

[tired haven]

Tbh at this point might as well enable cheatsheet, mob browser - right click summons

[sinful steeple]

I can't think of a single boss that doesn't spawn enemies except for DS

So this suggestion is kinda dumb

[hearty spade]

Except DS does

[sinful steeple]

Oh right

The scourge things

[hearty spade]

Skeletron doesn't tho

[sinful steeple]

Seekers

Oh yeah Skeletron

[cyan lagoon]

Thats vanilla though

I think on that end its hardcode

[sinful steeple]

And Skeletron isn't that threatening anyway

[arctic wren]

moonlord with no true eyes