spectre yes but thats it tbh
#suggestions-discussion
ashen warren
Shroomite is garbage last time I checked, spectre is the armor I was referring to.
99% of the time I use titanium until clone.
cyan lagoon
So you're pretty much forced to use mask
ashen warren
Hood for weakling.
lime mica
Imagine using titanium outside of cheese strats
earnest raptor
I
void river
What if after Scal noticed you cheated, she only ends up dropping a piece of chared moldy cheese
ashen warren
...why
cyan lagoon
Not sure if that would be required
void kelp
na she already drops nothing and basically goes āyou have to be more honest than thatā if you try to instakill her
ashen warren
She says fuck you iirc.
cyan lagoon
Since she already decides to drop nothing and decides to tell you to "Go to hell." if she dies before her 1%
In which itself the quote is a bit rude but...
Who am I to judge?
ashen warren
What if you adrenaline antimat and scal just fuckin says that?
ouch
Adding inedible cheese would just be even more bullying.
void kelp
weād bully them enough if they came here all like āI beat scal with cheats lolā
reef swift
really cause last time i checked its dashing rly fast
ashen warren
Normally the clone just kinda sits over polt or next to it and tries to bonk you.
Unless, do you have a small screen res?
reef swift
oof
ashen warren
That's kinda how that goes for small res tbh, but I'll star I guess.
languid ermine
but he's usually next to polt yes
but surprise ramming has no counter cuz you litteraly have less than a second to react
and we're no 0.6 reaction time gods
languid ermine
i though 1 second was the average
ashen warren
600ms is actually kinda slow iirc.
ruby cobalt
Besides clone and polter always counterbalance each other.
If you can't read that - sorry, should've made the pattern clearer.
void kelp
oh whoa I never knew that
ruby cobalt
When one is charging the other will stay behind.
earnest raptor
Polterclone in my experience is bitch.
languid ermine
i can manage if hes on screen but most of the time he's not so the time it takes for me to see and him ramming and input a dodge is really small
eh maybe it's just me or maybe i need to gid gud or whatever
reef swift
yeah for small res monitors like me most of the time it's "where is the clone and ohh SHIT THERE IT IS"
languid ermine
^
reef swift
and i was planning on getting the nohit role 
languid ermine
and the shit there is is comes after you've already taken the dmg
nohitting with small screen is omega pain
reef swift
yeah i got up to cultist before quitting
reef swift
cause df was hard enough, now projectile rainwith small res is
aight this is getting offtopi
languid ermine
it's still on topic tbh
faint rivet
Nerf a weapon I've never even heard of
languid ermine
imagine judging a weapon by its base dmg
faint rivet
^
hearty spade
It's not all about base damage, I tried it
faint rivet
And how much dps is it doing?
hearty spade
As long as the enemy isn't very fast or small, too much
faint rivet
Test it on Providence herself
ashen warren
Omega Biome Blade deals twice the damage per hit.
Since it hits like 3-4 times a projectile
Ark of the elements deals more damage in a single swing
Galactus does
Et cetera
faint rivet
Oh and I find it funny that you brought up the Plague Keeper which, as far as I know, is the strongest melee option for Providence
ashen warren
Seems legit
Honestly solstice needs a buff.
Nightwither becoming an always thing or smth.
languid ermine
even buffed ppl won't use cuz better options
hearty spade
Well, as long as no one stars the suggestion it doesn't really matter i guess
ruby cobalt
also bring a weapon that fires multiple 100 damage projectiles in comparison, yeeeeees
languid ermine
"at least try to discuss your suggestions here before posting in the actual suggestion channel"-mrrp 20XX
hearty spade
As I said earlier, as long as no one stars the suggestion it doesn't really matter
What a nice little welcoming community you are
ruby cobalt
Oh please, pull that card.
lost agate
-_-
hearty spade
Since it bothered you guys THAT much I deleted the suggestion, next time I'll be sure to meet up with the Supreme Council before posting a suggestion that needs to be approved by 65/90 persons anyway
lost agate
Uh
faint rivet
"Supreme Council"
lost agate
Ah forget it
frail mantle
maybe try not being pissed that people didn't like your suggestion
languid ermine
just post here before
and ppl will give opinions/additions
or even tell you that solstice is bad lmayo
lost agate
If you aint taking criticism i dont care
hearty spade
Yeah "criticism" right
lost agate
Just do more research next time
worthy raptor
I dunno if they're gonna listen to things we say, dunno if it's worth the effort tbh
worthy raptor
I was gonna but then died inwardly
ashen warren
how can you die inwardly if you're already dead inside 
frail mantle
hearty spade
I used that weapon and felt like in certain situation it was a little too good compared to others alternatives, that's it
lost agate
Define certain situations
hearty spade
Didn't wanna to make this mess, I'm not that stupid even if It surely may seem like that
"Stationary" enemies such as Moon Lord get pretty much demolished by it as far as I can tell
lost agate
He aint stationary
frail mantle
well Providence, the boss you're supposed to use it on, isn't very stationary either
lost agate
Provi is constantly moving
On the other hand we have the plague keeper that has less base dmg BUT it has homing bees and hits way more often
So you see the point
lost agate
Thanks
hollow shell
@lime mica Problem: The wave motion would make it easier for bullets to hit blocks
Depending on the width of the wave, you may not be able to fire it straight to the left or right while on the ground
And the wave probably would have to be wide for it to have any effect on making them hit enemies easier
radiant bough
I really think the BoC needs a deathmode / maybe even rev mode buff, it's such a joke, maybe add a little creeper defense, maybe remove the heart drops.
Right now BoC is just as free as vanilla. Where EoW is considerably more difficult. Any thoughts?
sinful steeple
I agree
vestal elbow
delete BoC
radiant bough
š¤ What would happen if Creepers shot a projectile
frail mantle
BoC would feel even more cheap and bullshit than before, probably
radiant bough
BoC, when does it feel bullshit
ashen warren
Folks can't handle the teleports I guess.
radiant bough
The boss doesnt do anything
ashen warren
Even after fab nerfed em.
radiant bough
His creepers drop a ton of hearts
EoW turns to chaos
I think the biggest issue is, that assuming you have any amount of damage, you can just outsustain most of the fight, and the brain only has like 4k health on deathmode
void kelp
BoC is already annoying enough bc of the telefraggingā I donāt think it needs any buffs because of the Telefragging
languid ermine
BoC feels weird
i usually go for EoW
since hive mind feels like a cooler boc
but yeah BoC death feels hard enough as it is
void kelp
Iām a body horror aficionado thanks to being that sort of horror nerd so crimson is always a preferred biome to me
void kelp
thatās also valid
noble patrol
hmmmm
languid ermine
thats a good sugestion
errant spear
If the projectile comes out of the end it's harder to hit enemies right on top of you
clear basin
yeah but its ugly if it comes out of the god damn pommel
languid ermine
bullets fade in to avoid that tho
but aiming downwards just echs the hitbox apparently
clear basin
if they could do it with poison staff they can do it with astralachnea
hollow shell
It is very fixable iirc
Just has to be done
@paper torrent Yharim's Crystal being affected by Defiled Rune has been suggested before, but having it drop from Yharon's Treasure Bag hasn't.
So, you can reduce it to just that (so there isn't any bluechecking confusion)
I assume you want it to be in his Treasure Bag for Armageddon reasons?
sinful steeple
On the topic of wrong projectile locations, the ball o' fugu and the clam crusher collide with slopes if fired on a slope so they instantly come back to the player which is mildly annoying
hollow shell
Terraria's slopes are a programming abomination
floral linden
Ahem
Tether code
Also, are there any charge weapons in Calamity (Similar in function to the X Buster)?
hollow shell
Charged Blaster Cannon (vanilla) is exactly that.
floral linden
True. Even if it fires the laser at full charge instead of holding it...
lofty blade
when will the poll end?
hollow shell
Poll will end in about 8 hours
so we've got a full day of voting
I may raise the req to 85 instead of 90 due to the closeness of it
ornate pecan
Yes please do
hearty yew
@clear basin Completely fixable, just need to edit the shoot function. This is the same bug as Marnite Obliterator being held incorrectly
languid ermine
only to the left tho
to the right it looks normal
to the left it just floats in the air
runic pewter
but what if the metal detector had a recipe
lost agate
I mean, you can still simply craft a rare enemy detector and kill a nymph easily
hollow shell
Suggested before but feel free to suggest it again
runic pewter
Metal Detector Recipe
20 Iron /
20 Copper ore /
20 Iron Ore /
20 Silver Ore /
20 Gold Ore /
20 Demonite ore /
20 Wire
is that fair
clear basin
@hearty yew very cool thank you sir
hollow shell
Maybe replace Aerialite with Wire?
hollow shell
(maybe also add Silver/Tungsten)
runic pewter
its the last piece i need and no nymphs are showing up
hollow shell
Aerialite woulda put it behind a Perf/Hive wall but Skeletron is a
more accepted progression point
lost agate
Wireore?
hollow shell
runic pewter
shall i maybe put it in #suggestions-voting
clear basin
Sure
hollow shell
If you say Iron Bars instead of just "Iron"
then
ye
reef swift
Thank
hollow shell
š
languid ermine
sounds cool ngl
pulsar notch
I have no problem getting metal detectors. My method (mostly for soul farming) is go underground, mine straight paths through the walls until you have a good network, and keep going around your paths, nonstop. Having a decent summon is also a big help because it will take care of enemies quickly.
I use the summoner class, so that would influence the process, but any decent minion should be fine so long as it exists
lime mica
20 damage? No, twenty vultures
Probably only one damage a tick without any bonuses
By the time it starts being efficient youāll be good enough to get a seafoam bomb or the like
lost agate
But higher dmg than bees is still something
lime mica
Thatās up in the air tbh, I felt like one vulture an egg would be better if it was a slower weapon
itās not like grenade speed
maybe like, normal iron broadsword
Except it throws an egg
the stats are to be determined but I feel like bees donāt do much damage
Iāve never took a sec to see how much one bee does come to think of it
real quick, what does the exclamation mark mean
lime mica
yeah it does
languid ermine
once you get a star from a mod it should go away
lime mica
i realized it was probably in pins so i checked and yeah that's what it means
I found myself really struggling with pure rogue early game surprisingly. I'm bad but like, i didn't think i was THAT bad
i probably am lmao
languid ermine
nah that's just rogue early game
lime mica
oof understood
so used to playing ranger
i have never done pure melee in all my time playing, i'm forcing myself to on this run
languid ermine
pro tip if you don't like a class just don't play it
for me being close to enemies is extremely stressful and not fun at all
so i never even touched melee in my entire terraria gametime
my main class is ranger Gunslinger
pulsar notch
I dislike having to be distracted by enemies while doing stuff, nor getting close, nor do I like ammo/other such limits to attacking, so I play summoner
languid ermine
understandable
warm grove
I like holding down mouse1 so I play ranger/mage a lot
quick dove
that idea is p nice n fun to have
archerfish, shoots bullets
riflesfish, shoots arrows
warm grove
rangerfish, a magic gun
tired haven
Minionfish, true melee sword
untold gulch
roguefish, throwing weapon
languid ermine
now thats precious
void kelp
Iām p sure archerfish is a pun since archerfish is an actual fish
please 
on #suggestions-voting
āno joke suggestionsā
hearty yew
@elder yew yeah I have no clue what the hell this is, but it's a real bug and I don't understand why it happens
past herald
honestly even though it's somewhat of a joke i would probably add something like that if i made a mod
so i suggested it
radiant meadow
it doesn't belong in this one though
past herald
isnt that what a suggestion is?
radiant meadow
meme suggestions aren't allowed though
past herald
i haven't been on this server for like 3 months so i forgot the rules, sorry about that
void kelp
@olive yacht thatās a super vague ideaā can you expand it?
radiant meadow
@olive yacht expand on your suggestions
explain what wulfrum bullets would do for example
olive yacht
sure
maybe have the ability to pierce or bounce or the damage increases the farther they go
lost agate
meteor shots pierce and bounce
hollow shell
@olive yacht (third ping sorry)
You've gotta explain what you want added to the Travelling Merchant pool
and what Wulfrum Bullets would do
in the suggestion itself
i.e. editing the messages you posted
olive yacht
actually merchant pool is fine
already said what wulfrum bullets would do
damage increases the farther they go
quick dove
put that in the suggestion message
hollow shell
oh boy...
dusty stirrup
Is there a part missing to that wulfrum bullet sugmas
ashen warren
idea: lead pencil
every 15 shots you get one grayed out shot which fires a 6-pellet spread of whatever projectile you were firing
bought from the goblin tinkerer at 6 gold
astral lake
isaac?
ashen warren
perhaps
also can be upgraded into the graphite pencil
every 10 shots fires an 8 pellet spread
lead pencil + 12 souls of sight
hollow shell
Weapon? Accessory? Ammo?
ashen warren
accessory
hollow shell
Sounds like it could be difficult to program
ashen warren
oh
lost agate
also, would be op with certain stuff
hollow shell
You could make it into its own weapon, which would be much easier to program then
ashen warren
yeah
floral linden
Wait, so are you like the owner of suggestions or something Sors?
floral linden
Nice
hollow shell
#help-advice-read-pins is the chat you wanna ask in
potent shale
sorry
hollow shell
It's alright
lime mica
just had a great meme idea
Drunk Princess should sell Shirley Temples. Drinking one heals 1 HP and gives you the Wuss debuff, which does nothing but last an absurdly long time and is a reminder of how much of a weak manlet you are for ordering a shirley temple /s
radiant meadow
uhhh
lime mica
sadly this is both a meme suggestion, and i'm pretty sure that Drunk Princess falls into the category of developer item
a man can dream
wooden wigeon
drunk princess ins't made with shadowspec 
lime mica
no but it's basically just fab's self-insert, no
i feel like he would want to have that under his control only
regardless this is a retarded meme and nothing more
also term i have a question
who hurt you
you've been playing terraria for 21 hours
fresh harbor
Remember that day when someone suggested fanservice-y lines for the drunk princess
fresh harbor
Sent in dms
languid basin
that bad?
radiant meadow
- I hurt myself
- Skedaddle if y'all aren't talking about suggestions anymore
sleek yew
@rough badge why would you grind for halibut
worthy fiber
If you give them icons it ruins the point of the Abyss being dark 
worthy fiber
@rough badge
rough badge
yea
worthy fiber
Read up
rough badge
ok for for the first question cuz halibut op and for your question i understand the abyss is supposed to be dark but I swear right now try fighting and edolon wrym now and attempt to even guess where its coming from plus it also has the lighting attack and a crap load of health. (I hope this makes sense)
delicate raft
Well, uh
just
With the Halibut Cannon, everything becomes so easy you just don't have to waste time with bosses
So yeah, the time you don't waste with bosses you use it with getting the halibut cannon
hehe
ashen warren
Halibut is a 1 in 10000 drop from minibosses now iirc.
rough badge
well im fighting the adult edolon wyrm so the chances are higher but with its fat head its cancer fighting it
rough badge
tru
ashen warren
Why post yhar2? Auric tesla revives and coldheart icicle should work.
livid coral
I feel like at that point it should drop some other weapon but I mean.
rough badge
an upgrade for halibut? yharim trembles in fear
cyan lagoon
Never going to happen
vestal elbow
jam + icicle tho
lime mica
it's a separate gun that uses pieces of Halibut Cannon as ammo
or whole halibut cannons
ashen warren
Jam doesn't work while holding coldheart queck.
lime mica
yharon drops duct tape at a 1% chance
10 cannons and a piece of duct tape makes the ultimate halibut
it shoots whole halibut cannons
vestal elbow
is that a recent change
lime mica
no lmao it's a meme
thank fuck that isn't a thing
if an idea comes out of my head it's generally really dumb either on purpose or accidentally
..oh god he wasn't talking to me was he
rough badge
looks over at fargos soul mod ArE YOu SUre ABout That
hollow shell
I agree with the suggestion (only if the icons appear after they enrage. There's a reason they don't have Calamity health bars)
but I don't agree with the reason
Also
I'm gonna close the poll and make the announcement in 10 minutes
Looks like we're raising, boys.
gusty geode
O boi
hollow shell
here too I guess
The Star (ā) count required for suggestions to be delivered to the Dev Server has now been raised to 90.
(Any suggestions made prior to this message will still only require 65 Stars.)
rustic canopy
hollow shell
Crud I don't got pin perms in this channel
@radiant meadow Unpin poll and pin that
radiant meadow
fresh harbor
Still salty about how devs rarely look at greenchecked suggestions, hopefully this will change that
turbid sedge
I didn't see things get to 65 very often to begin with buuuut I haven't been here that long anyway
hollow shell
We look at sent suggestions
Some of us do, anyway
Approve of them, disapprove of them
Getting them into the game is a different story but it does happen
jolly kettle
wew 90
ashen warren
Discord really should have a has:reaction:(emotename)
hollow shell
I fuckin frickin know right
ashen warren
So we can see all the flags.
floral linden
For instance, fuck frick Typhoon Ai.
fresh harbor
\š¤·
I understand the difficulties and time constraints, but it just makes me a lil' sad to see the ideas go and get lost in backlog
But hey, chaos/peace candles got in so there's hope for the other ones too
So I look up to that
late shale
I made mines yesterday, and it's 94. I think if it's a really good suggestion, it'll get the exposure it deserves
floral linden
Nice. Mine didn't make it past 40.
late shale
tho I'm not undermining anyone's suggestion, I'm just saying that, it's still possible to easily get 90 upvotes. š
hollow shell
Definitely possible
Quite a few get over 100, even
ashen warren
Did you just say easily?
Star limit raised twice in the same day
floral linden
ashen warren
Isn't the calamitas summon non-con now?
lost agate
no?
hollow shell
non-con?
ashen warren
hollow shell
Oh, consumable
small talon
i just looked that up i realized i have outdated version of mod... 
hollow shell
Indeed it is
small talon
ill remove it
lost agate
oh yeah
small talon
sorry should checked first
lost agate
me and amber suggested that to be a thing and guess it made it in
ashen warren
hollow shell
@distant sorrel What exactly... is the suggestion?
Also, Rogue is supposed to be distinct from Throwing.
It will get more original content over time to make itself more unique
ashen warren
Didn't even edit it or post it here for review 
bold spruce
^^^
hollow shell
You should say that in the suggestion message, lol
distant sorrel
oml
distant sorrel
oh
hollow shell
even though it totally won't get in, it'd work
sleek wadi
It's WIP.
bold spruce
^
sleek wadi
The full rogue expansion update should make it fully distinct. Unlike throwing which was bootleg ranged, rogue will be focused on stealth and burst damage.
ashen warren
Since you likely didn't read it.
It's basically gonna be the warframe class in a way.
distant sorrel
I'll hope it good
vestal elbow
stealth mechanics that don't slow the player down 
hollow shell
vestal elbow
wish there was a way to build it that wasn't standing still
hollow shell
At least you don't lose it by moving
And it is still WIP
A lotta things can still happen
(which you can suggest, if you want)
((some ways
to increase Stealth by not standing still))
tired haven
Invisibility potion š¤
hollow shell
š
hollow shell
We have Adrenaline for that
late shale
maybe instead of increasing dmg, it could increase attack speed, or even imbue rogue weapons with special effects
ashen warren
Invisibility potion doing something to rogue stealth is actually a nice idea.
floral linden
Make Adrenaline a Rogue only feature
ashen warren
Suddenly, everyone plays rogue because they're bad at ripperless.
teal ibex
maybe you could do something like reward players for not missing, idk 
hollow shell
That sounds difficult to program
but
cool in concept
ashen warren
That's technically stealth.
ashen warren
Duststorm synergizes with stealth well, fire slowly and it's stronk.
teal ibex
and also nerf crystalline
floral linden
Maybe raise the Stealth index if the player has the invisibility buff?
ashen warren
Would make crystalline a high-iq weapon.
I was thinking like, stealth gained super slowly while moving and tripled while still.
hollow shell
Mmm, that's a common theme among Rogue suggestions I feel
Somehow allowing stealth to increase while moving, but slowly.
late shale
what's the purpose of stealth? is this an appropriate place to ask this?
ashen warren
I can personally find places to stand still cause I played way too much HK.
But it is annoying af since no bosses were designed around it.
hollow shell
To make Rogue unique
And spice up gameplay
You do rogue different from any other class
floral linden
Give Rogue the basics of CQC
hollow shell
Gotta
strategize about how and where to build up stealth
and how to release it
I guess Ranger gets that a bit, but being allowed to move adds another layer to it
late shale
interesting 
that does sound fun, I'm just not up to speed with the whole rogue stuff lol
hollow shell
Vortex armor doesn't count
ashen warren
Actually, no.
Don't give stealth while moving.
Give AI updates to all bosses to have 1-2 second standstill points.
More work yes but rogue would hold true to how it's supposed to be.
Would be far more interesting imo.
I loved how healing worked in hk.
hollow shell
That actually has been suggested for an entirely different reason
Well
not exactly that
more like when you damage a boss enough it has to collect itself for a second and doesn't attack, giving you a moment to breathe
Hornet's got it, Grimm's got it, False Knight's- actually I think almost all HK bosses got it
ashen warren
There is currently a standstill point in scal.
ashen warren
The slow going over you thing.
hollow shell
What do you mean?
livid coral
This is what makes the stealth buildup so nice in the post ML bosses
hollow shell
I don't, actually
I thought she only went to your sides
I've probably gotta play Calamity more 
livid coral
Also, not missing as a bonus.
Haha, not missing.
ashen warren
her mobile phases where she chooses between a spray of the brimstone spikes, an abyssal, or a gigablast
It's guaranteed after you damage her to damaged state iirc.
That probably.
hollow shell
Hm.
livid coral
I also want Rogue "lethal damage" set where you can break armor or have a really powerful attack if you are max stealth and hit an enemy from the back
ashen warren
i'd considered a suggestion regarding hitting from the back but with many bosses and enemies it'd be very difficult to actually get value from that, notably worm enemies and bosses like say, ml/prov 
radiant meadow
well, there's a value of some sort for smacking levi in the face 
ashen warren
vs siren you probably couldn't get value out of it, vs levi the most reasonable time would probably be a fly-by as she charges past you
livid coral
If not we could do distance
shank an enemy right next to it when invisible for massive damage
ashen warren
risk and reward ye, that'd be cool
frosty kindle
then comes the whole thing about contact damage
...though having a brief invincibility period of like, ~1 second would work
ashen warren
Lucrecia item line but rogue.
radiant meadow
isn't lucrecia just one item?
sinful violet
Imagine trying to get close to levi without her magical hitbox fucking you up
livid coral
That's the fun of it
floral linden
Levi's hitbox is like Fox's grab range 
ashen warren
Off the top of my head looking at wiki boss progresssion, there need to be stand-still points for: BoC p2, QB, Skeletron, WoF?, Cryo, Twins, Destroyer, AS, Prime, Clone, Plant P1, Levi, Deus, Moonlord, Guardians?, Brib, SW P2, Polt, Does DoG have stand-stills? and Yharon.
In order for fullstealth rogue to be a thing.
The others have telegraphed attacks or easily weavable stuff iirc.
radiant meadow
a lot of those bosses would be really weird to have stand-stills in tbf
sinful violet
^
ashen warren
Yar, but changing at least some of them would help.
sinful violet
What we could do is have a key which you would hold to charge stealth faster but also takes away a shit ton of your movement speed.
radiant meadow
standing still while somehow not being mauled by 11 worms
radiant meadow
it does
hollow shell
Yes, it's a quick-select
livid coral
Standing still while somehow not being buttmunched by a skeleton
sinful violet
Fuck
sinful violet
yeah, whichever
So it would slow you down a bunch, but it would charge stealth noticeably quicker.
Maybe an accessory or something, if we don't want to change the current system.
ashen warren
Yharon breathing fire at you or something in P1 and something similar in P2?
DoG does have standstills in FF nvm.
Birb also does if small birbs are dead.
Other stuff.
sinful violet
Standstills just seem like a pain to balance around
radiant meadow
good luck killing the small birbs 
sinful violet
What if you're not rogue
sleek wadi
How about attaching it to the Elysian Aegis hotkey, considering they're both accessories with togglable buffs that slow you down but boost damage/stealth?
ashen warren
Making it that late-stage would kill it at the door.
radiant meadow
you gotta make it useful somehow tbh
sinful violet
fair, honestly
frosty kindle
useful but not OP
sinful violet
I've heard it's p bad for everything else, so it can just be a spelunker's tool.
proven tide
Reminder that you can afk in spawn and autolevel magic proficiency with it š
ashen warren
isn't giant clam supposed to not drop anything till DS dies
ashen warren
oh i was thinking of clam not dropping amidias
radiant meadow
the only things locked behind ds is mining the stuff, amidias, and prism shards dropping from prism-backs
stuff like amidias' pendant and eutrophic shank are fair game
proven tide
would you look at that
it's loot
thank you, amidias
I might record it lighting my map for me
This is solely lit by the pendant
(the torches came after)
radiant meadow
you mean pendant?
proven tide
can someone who is big brain please explain to my small brain why the -15% movement speed on the Giant Shell only reduces my movement speed by 1mph (with no +x% movement speed accessories equipped)?
ashen warren
Odd
tired haven
Boots cap the max speed, no movement speed decrease can lower it, only make it harder to reach
earnest raptor
Nightmare Firework
Early-HM rogue weapon
Throws a dark crimson colored firework, that flies up at an angle of 100Ā°.
After flying up to 7.5 seconds or hitting a block or enemy the projectile speedly throws himself into ground and on impact with blocks erupts with SEH noices into nightmare-colored chaos flame shockwaves, that damages entities.
š : 10 Explosive Powder + 5 Essence of Chaos + 5 Silk @ Demon Altar
Why: a rogue weapon with unique behavior, a other non-consumable weapon for Early-HM and nice reference to HK.
Decent?
faint rivet
Looks interesting
void kelp
yeah. grammar-wise you use its tho not his since the firework is inanimate
also, why doesnāt the crafting recipe have rockets?
faint rivet
Because rockets would lock it post-Plant iirc
void kelp
I mean the party rockets
void kelp
lol yeah
frail mantle
i don't like to use the argument "there's already a mod that adds that" but Calamity's Vanities already has a Light Pet that summons Prov and the Guardians
frail mantle
azure condor
It would still be kinda neat tho to have Lotsa light in the abyss
distant gyro
but wouldn't that defeat the purpose of the abyss being the abyss?
azure condor
I guess
But +4 light isn't really abyss-breaking
But I understand if that sorta defeats the point of the abyss
elder kestrel
oooooooh I really like that providence light pet
errant spear
It would be a little hard to distinguish it from the sentry summon that looks like provi
lost agate
Not if the sprite is different
azure condor
Agreed
lost agate
Also, that thing is a sentry
void kelp
imagine a tiny sun following you around
lost agate
(sun spirit staff)
errant spear
If theres any new pet calamity needs its jared
azure condor
I just figured there aren't many light pets and my favorite boss is Providence and prov happens to be a very bright boss so š¤·
Maybe mini polter instead because of the prov accessory
west prairie
man they just keep increasing the required star count
errant spear
Well there's thousands of people in this server if you have a good idea 90 stars isnt hard
distant gyro
there's a lot of 65s but 90 might be overkill (or not)
west prairie
almost like they're annoyed when ideas keep reaching their thresholds
livid coral
Hey hey we're not, it's just getting overwhelming seeing all of the suggestions
errant spear
Theres a lot of ideas and only so many devs
west prairie
yeah i just dont see ideas regularly hitting their thresholds as they were
azure condor
More work=later updates
livid coral
Our suggestions channel in Devs is getting full, and also we get a lot of repeated suggestions.
We're trying to make sure that quality suggestions and really thought out ideas get put in.
Also a number of suggestions also got to be put in as patreon items lel
Also gotta run to class bbl
lost agate
Bye lilac
west prairie
bye
lost agate
And yeah, the only reason its raised is that dev server gets overwhelmed
west prairie
and yeah, the patreon thing is what i keep bringing up-- why add items from suggestions for free when that would remove the main incentive to donate
lost agate
Uh thats not how it works
west prairie
i meant adding items, not balance suggestions
lost agate
Still
Patreon items are like "you paid for it, you get it, doesnt matter how little sense it makes" see: ataraxia
While suggestions do need to be convincing and neccesary
west prairie
yeah i understand that
i just don't see a lot of suggested weapons getting in
maybe i just havent seen those suggestions?
also yeah ataraxia is pretty but nonsensical
who the hell asked for that item
lost agate
Someone
errant spear
Why do poeple hate ataraxia so much
lost agate
Because it doesnt work as a weapon for its tier
sleek wadi
In my case it is because it is another fucking sword
lost agate
Its nohitter- ish weapon... For scal.... And the most dmg comes from true melee
west prairie
maybe when draedon gets in it will make sense idk
lost agate
Who knows
errant spear
The flower shaped projectile formation looks so cool though
sleek wadi
Less swords, more anything else. Yoyos, lances, FLAILS just something that isn't another sword
west prairie
murasama is the same way, we dont see complaints about that
lost agate
Yeah because its a reference
west prairie
also did someone say lance cough
lost agate
And its useable before its boss
sleek wadi
And it's a stronger Arkhalis, which is something of a fan favorite
lost agate
Also, murasama aint encouraging nohitting
west prairie
i still dont know why my profaned guardian drop ideas seem to not be getting in-- on one hand, adding stuff takes work, but on the other, the guardians are a total content void
rustic ember
They're good ideas
west prairie
lorewise they make sense but gameplay wise they're superfluous
lost agate
Profaned soul exists tho
west prairie
twenty seconds of fighting for no reward other than the summon for the next boss
azure condor
Road block
west prairie
even the fuckin birb drops weapons and a resource
errant spear
Birb drops a permanent upgrade too
azure condor
Just for lore š¤·
lost agate
Yeah, adding stuff just for lore sake isnt the best idea
azure condor
And a unique boss fight
lost agate
If we rewarded people for such easy fights then we have an issue
azure condor
True
errant spear
Just double the amount of guardians you have to fight
cold terrace
glares at birb
lost agate
Birb aint easy anymore
azure condor
Lol double guardians would be jnteresting
lost agate
Also, iirc, lore wise the guardians are just hollow...
lost agate
And making em drop something when they have no power by themselves is weird
rustic ember
How was Birb made harder?
azure condor
Lol
cold terrace
All you have to do is dash away
rustic ember
you monsters
lime mica
Are more/craftable flails and flail variants a good suggestion?
cold terrace
and wait for it to shit out small birbs on tiles
as its charging you can just dash in the opposite direction and rod, rinse and repeat
lost agate
Killing those small birbs tho
cold terrace
piercing and homing weapons.
sleek wadi
Does Chlorophyte still spawn at the start of HM?
cold terrace
ye
azure condor
You don't have to defeat ravager for bars of life as long as you mine a lot of the ores
cold terrace
you would have to beat either ravager or cryo and plantera. his point is to reduce the minimum bosses necessary for progression
sleek wadi
You don't need to kill Golem, you'd return to the abyss with a lunar pick.
cold terrace
right
azure condor
If your that late in the game shouldn't you already have alot of the ores?
sleek wadi
However you would need to kill either Plantera or an ADULT WYRM for ectoplasm to make Chaotic Bars.
cold terrace
those ores are gated behind certain bosses
azure condor
True
sleek wadi
You can't get Cryotic Bars and Perennial Bars without killing Cryogen and Plantera respectively.
azure condor
Shouldn't be much of a problem that late In The game tho
sleek wadi
We're looking to reduce the amount of bosses fought
Ravager is 1 boss, Plantera and Cryogen are 2.
azure condor
If you skip those bosses early game you might struggle late game or early game without those resources
teal ibex
i think the point isn't that it's hard, but rather that it's an awkward hiccup in the non-linearity
faint rivet
Ectoplasm isn't needed for chaotic bars anymore
teal ibex
like, calamity has changed the game to be nonlinear so you can hop through hardmode
but also you have to fight ravager???
it's just a bit of a missing piece to the non-linearity if anything
faint rivet
Ravager's just annoying even pre-prov
errant spear
Why do people like skipping bosses so much, I have a compulsion to complete the entire boss chacklist every time I play
teal ibex
speedrunning for one. 
faint rivet
Because challenge
azure condor
And you need those resources for things such as dragon egg
sleek wadi
Which is what my suggestion is looking to fix.
azure condor
Ye but chlorophyte?
sleek wadi
Chlorophyte spawns at the start of HM, so you can return to the jungle with a lunar pick to get some. Also Yharon spawns the jungle so his summon being made with jungle material makes sense.
azure condor
Idk maybe Divine geodes and blood chunk things
faint rivet
+1 on Uelibloom
sleek wadi
Uelibloom is post-Providence, which means you can't fight Providence with Yharon gear if you're enough of a mad man to kill Yharon pre-Providence.
teal ibex
yes but you have to kill birb too
it's already in an awkward spot, pushing it forward or back a boss is best, but chlorophyte seems thematically off
faint rivet
Heck, might as well make it Luminite if you for some reason fight Yharon before Provi
frail mantle
how 'bout we say Luminite instead
faint rivet
azure condor
Exodium?
sleek wadi
Luminite is used in everything and I'd rather not bump up the ML kill count.
distant gyro
Chlorophyte is a hec to farm
azure condor
Exodium is less than luminite
teal ibex
wow rude
ashen warren
exodium is also limited by your world
sleek wadi
Getting 90 chlorophyte ore is nothing when you have post-ML gear, and exodium seems to be reserved for soul artifacts.
teal ibex
it has a crafting recipe now tho
distant gyro
exodium can be crafted iirc
azure condor
^
ashen warren
oh it does? that's neat
teal ibex
ye so does cinderplate
frail mantle
exodium is for Soul Artifacts, Relocator and Starmada
distant gyro
exodium for lots of misc stuffs idk if it should be for a boss summon
azure condor
But one luminite ore compared to however much luminite bars are
faint rivet
3 ore per cluster
sleek wadi
Also, while you do have to kill Providence for Yharon 2, the Providence kill check wouldn't make sense if you had to kill Providence to fight Yharon 1. Same issue the DoG kill check had before Dragon Egg got moved to Ancient Manipulator.
teal ibex
the kill checks really don't make sense in the first place anyway to the player
the only reason i know they exist is because i routed a run to kill yharon asap and, wow, i need to kill the other ones anyway. neat. 
that's a separate issue in my book anyway
as it stands the only real truly just post-ml crafting options are either luminite or exodium, alternatively there's chlorophyte but it fits in fairly awkward since it's practically half of hardmode ago in relevancy
if it's intended to be the truest of true low%, then you might as well overhaul birb feathers out of the recipe too, right?
sleek wadi
Then I'd have to make a case of making the Cosmic Worm recipe not use any sentinel material
Or making Profaned Core pre-Guardians.
azure condor
That defeats the purpose of the sentiniels
teal ibex
i disagree on that front tbh
sleek wadi
Birb is to Yharon as Sentinels are to DoG or Guardians are to Providence
teal ibex
making dragon-egg pre birb doesn't impact the miniboss > boss progression for those guys
birb is completely ripped from yharon in progression now so it's a hard disagree from me
if birb was still post-dog i'd be inclined to agree but birb is nothing more than a pushover spawn in the fight at this point
i guess lore could still tie them together but 
azure condor
Agreed
teal ibex
it's the best option thematically since it's not supposed to be post provi
sleek wadi
Because it spawns at the start of HM, spawns in the jungle where you fight Yharon, and isn't in everything like Luminte is.
teal ibex
uelibloom probably fits nicer but chloro is the only jungle related bar pre-providence
and yeah luminite is shoved onto the boss summons like candy
ashen warren
isn't birb a failed yharon clone or smth to that effect, if so then it does make sense lorewise, at least
teal ibex
i guess an argument for luminite would be that if you're fighting yharon pre-providence then you should really be able to kill another moonlord or two with ease
faint rivet
Just arma ml 
west prairie
here's a better idea-- auric ore, so you can never fight him
sleek wadi
Auric Ore changed to spawn post-DoG... IN EXPERT WORLDS meaning game is now impossible on normal. Welcome back to the Calamity Dark Age
teal ibex
e x c u s e m e
i refuse to explain to people why the normal speedruns are impossible
veto'd
faint rivet
Imagine normal mode
azure condor
I just need 70 more stars lol :D
Theres no limit to amount of suggestions one can make, correct?
sleek wadi
I'd limit yourself to one a day
frail mantle
Another re-add the LORDE suggestion
faint rivet
Another instant self-star 
calm onyx
Smelly joke boss needs to cease it's existence.
faint rivet
It exists in apoth
errant spear
The lorde is dumb but its concept is really interesting, cycling through a bunch of AI's randomly
rapid pivot
tbh it reminds me of delirium, almost
distant gyro
no thanks
frail mantle
Then get Apotheosis and Friends
last lintel
even if it is a garbage jpeg
frail mantle
Ye
distant gyro
Apoth has the complete original lorde
distant gyro
remove the post btw
last lintel
I did
distant gyro
lol
frail mantle
But Apotheosis is a bit buggy currently so it might just decide not to work with Calamity
frail mantle
Isnāt the Rockās entire point the fact that itās useless
errant spear
Honestly I thought the rock was a placeholder for something cool they had planned for the future
frail mantle
How about we make the Rock placeable so you can actually use it as a trophy for completing the Boss Rush
faint rivet
hollow shell
@stoic escarp
Kinda misses the point of the Rock,
but
if you're gonna suggest that, at least come up with some thing(s) for it to do
stoic escarp
ok
distant gyro
is it just me or I have seen this very suggestion before
frail mantle
no idea
distant gyro
the points are almost the same
distant gyro
gg
runic pewter
who do i ping
frail mantle
no one
just wait
it might take a couple of days but they'll get delivered eventuallyā¢
errant spear
Yeah it's not like you will suddenly lost like 50 stars out of nowhere, it will be seen
earnest raptor
@livid coral
Our suggestions channel in Devs is getting full, and also we get a lot of repeated suggestions.
You don't kill me, if I will take some suggestions and implement that in my hypothetical mod?
With references to authors, of course.
elder kestrel
you need the permission of the suggester too iirc
moreso if the suggestion was accompanied with a sprite
earnest raptor
Well, so much sometimes good ideas
lost agate
And yeah, ask for permission to use suggestions first
We dont want "hey that suggestion wasnt meant for you, tf you doing?"
earnest raptor
š¤
elder kestrel
yea
earnest raptor
What about open source mod
ashen warren
the only thing being open source would change is that everyone can see the result of your plagiarism from the code perspective.
void kelp
@red birch can you include examples of what enemies to add?
earnest raptor
Okay.
So I have a big base to implement before opening mod's server for asking permissions.
elder kestrel
alright
languid ermine
i got some suggestions from the channel yes
but I DM them first to ask (since it didn't reach the star count)
if the idea is cool and it's going to the trash anyway why not
earnest raptor
My point is implementing some user's suggestions without waiting 60 years. 
languid ermine
just wait 4 days
elder kestrel
trashbox you need to keep in mind that priorities are a thing
the suggestion might be stellar, but the devs have a clear vision on what they want
they'll implement what they're planning on THEN start adding suggestion
hence why they usually take long to appear ingame
languid ermine
yeah and some suggestions don't seem to fit calamity so if they get less than the starcount i don't see why not
with permission ofc
elder kestrel
that's since chaos candles are easy to implement
a large number of suggestions that hit the count are relatively big
elder kestrel
ono
lost agate
That would be something
elder kestrel
they're not all items though
earnest raptor
Still giant number for mod.
Even implementing around 1000 good suggestions would be insanely good.
and mod that did it become a global add on to clam
lost agate
Yeah but its hard to implement suggestion when you already have things planned for the mod
errant spear
How large is the dev team? How many programmers I mean.
languid ermine
i try to get only QoL suggestions or small stuff cuz I don't want it messing with the overall vibe of my mod
in the end i want it to feel original
errant spear
Oh, I thought there were more than that
errant spear
I thought there were like 5 or 6 programmers
But that only makes the amount of content already present more impressive
lost agate
Most possibly thats how it is
Fab codes a lot of stuff by himself
Stuff like sunken sea were a shared effort
And ataraxia too since that thing is a beast code wise
Anyway this is getting a tad offtopic
earnest raptor
So... I can make a suggestions mod?
errant spear
As long as you get permission from suggesters then yes
lost agate
^
earnest raptor
š
elder kestrel
5 programmers @errant spear
errant spear
Oh so my estimate was accurate
elder kestrel
and 16 spriters
sinful steeple
BOI the dragon egg is meant to be used post-DoG, why would it require chlorophyte bars? Bars of life can be obtained pretty effortlessly just by mining perennial, cryonic and chaotic ore
Like seriously though
livid coral
Yeah as long as you ask suggesters you can do this.
bold spruce
What Macaroni said
formal prism
I'm not sure why that suggestion is there either.
frail mantle
it's for speedrunning reasons
formal prism
the Moon/Eclipse events also have purpose in the calamity mod, as many of the item drops are ingredients in very powerful weapons.
I don't personally get speedrunning, but that's just me.
sleek wadi
If it's supposed to be post-DoG then why is it in Ancient Manipulator?
sleek wadi
The point is that current minimum progression has Ravager in it for no reason. Changing the Bars of Life to something else would kick him out of minimum progression considering he isn't supposed to be there.
sleek wadi
He isn't supposed to be there considering that the intended minimum progression is WoF, ML, and post-ML excluding Scal and Polter.
formal prism
ravager's one boss though, i didn't even know he existed until i was fighting the moon lord.
formal prism
ah, which pin are you referring to? the last progression related pin in that channel relates to late game stuff, in february.
quick dove
yes yes yES please give us post prof guardians weaponry
sleek wadi
I KNOW there was a message from Fabsol that stated the what the minimum progression was supposed to be
It was from sometime before non-linearity
lost agate
Gee i wonder who would dare change his mind
How would that be possible
Oh nooooooo,
ashen warren
shucks, what exactly are you getting at
lost agate
That fab maybe just changed his mind in how to make the non linearity
Maybe that why is was unpinned, if theres actually a message regarding that to begin with
west prairie
fab does change his mind a lot
formal prism
^^ he is the end-authority of changes.
west prairie
but id wait to see him say it before we assume things
ashen warren
you could have just said it instead of being patronising about imo, and yes there was a message like that, i recall seeing it as well
formal prism
recently Birb was nerfed to be more in-line with being fightable directly after moon lord, instead of being arguably harder than Providence.
I liked that change.
distant gyro
wof > cult > ml > all postml bosses except pol
hasn't it been this for a long time?
lost agate
Why did you resend that suggestion if it was already delivered? @west prairie
sleek wadi
Here's the message
distant gyro
May 2018
formal prism
Spark... that message is almost a year old...
distant gyro
11 months dude
ashen warren
to kill yharon, they are
sleek wadi
They are both required for Yharon 2
lost agate
Oh yeah right
Whoops
Maybe he just forgot about those details when making that message
formal prism
and yes on the progression, @distant gyro, I've only been here for a few months though.
sleek wadi
He has forgotten a couple of details when making that. For a while Cosmic Worm required Souls of Might and Dragon Egg was in Draedon's Forge.
Dragon Egg having Bars of Life is the last thing keeping that list from being fully accurate.
west prairie
@lost agate you can repost suggestions after enough time has passed to have it get marked as highly suggested
west prairie
ā - Added automatically to suggestions, but is subject to removal by moderators. If it remains, and is reacted 90 times by the public, the suggestion gets sent to the dev server, moderator chat, or relevant staff.
ā - The suggestion has 90 stars and was delivered to its respective location.
ā - The suggestion has already been delivered in the past. If a blue-checked suggestion reaches 90 stars, the past suggestion gets marked as being highly suggested.
š - The suggestion has been officially accepted and implemented.
ā - This suggestion hasn't been reviewed by a moderator yet. The suggestion's star is subject to removal if it breaks any rules or for other reasons. Once reviewed, this gets removed.
(someone pin this)
from pins
lost agate
Yeah but you made that exact same suggestion
The blue mark is when somebody else makes the same kind of suggestion
west prairie
it is? well then
lost agate
If you want a blue check then i can give it to you, but that doesnt meant it gets re delivered
west prairie
i know it isnt redelivered
just marked as highly suggested due to continuing popularity, if it hits 90
lost agate
No, blue checks are given without reaching 90
west prairie
i know that
ashen warren
does it still get a blue check if it's a direct repost of the exact same suggestion? 
lost agate
Idk, thats what i was arguing
gusty geode
I'd be down for an easy mode
terse sundial
maybe a config option would be better then a item
errant spear
^
stoic escarp
mm
gusty geode
Maybe remove the most important item in a boss's loot table (with the exception of essentials like the Picksaw and Pwnhammer) from the list for a mode like that
formal prism
the effect of Calamity is to be very hard though
stoic escarp
yeah
its not easy mode
I just want it to be more compatible with other mods
because calamity weapons are really op in comparison to other mods
and vanilla bosses
formal prism
so, your point of contention is that calamity content is too buff compared to other mods? If i recall correctly, calamity buffs literally everything on it's own.
radiant meadow
Isn't there like a Calamity nerf mod or something?
terse sundial
prob
radiant meadow
I forget exactly what it does
formal prism
yes, there is. not sure what it changes though.
stoic escarp
so does calamity do a general buff on everything