distant notch
i figure there has to be some way
#suggestions-discussion
radiant bough
@hallow kraken Why not nerf obsidian armour too then? You can get it right as you spawn into the game (with explosives) and can take you through to hardmode.
sleek wadi
Why not nerf all of the mage armors in pre-HM, they're all obtainable at the start and could get you past Cryogen
hollow shell
nerf pre-hm
radiant bough
Pre HM is the easiset part of the game
acoustic patio
imo most suggestions for nerfs fucking suck
real parrot
can't even downvote it
radiant bough
if anything, just make it have negative regeneration
or require underwater breathing
radiant bough
Its fairly temporary armor,
dusty stirrup
If you mean like mana overloader, probably, yeah
lucid marsh
What tier past skeletron lacks a pistol weapon?
I had an idea for one
A triggerfish that drops itself as a gun
Because
Trigger. Gun.
It would inflict venom because triggerfish are venomous
But I need a tier
radiant bough
Make it
available at the very beginning
Bows > for most of the game
might as well have early game
gun
lucid marsh
Ok. Should I make an upgrade for it with abyss stuff?
radiant bough
Abyss gives another fish gun
lucid marsh
Yeah that’s true
Ok idea: sunken sea, upgrade after aqua scourge
Or better, you just catch it in the ocean
lucid marsh
I made it
novel pebble
Triggergun
gusty geode
Idk if it counts as such but the Revolver is pre-boss I think
ashen warren
Wrong
gusty geode
That's one of many reasons I'm against limiting yourself to a single class at all times
Also don't you have stuff like the golden gun and all those other true damage weapons that you could use
tired haven
Golden Gun is not a weapon but rather debuff source (same for marked magnum), and RE4 guns are extremely expensive and limited
teal ibex
i mean, theyre "classless" but i think it boils down to preference on if thats cool enough for pure class playthrus imo
i tend to avoid them unless im ranged only
tired haven
To be fair, I suppose main reason there are no summons that inflict ichor/cursed flames is, every class would use them quite likely, gaining more advantage from that
Of course, there can be some limitations like >x slots or summoner set only, but they are quite artificial and usually have a few workarounds
teal ibex
i mean, in the same vein, people use lunic eye and golden gun all the time despite options being available for most classes- ichor flask, golden shower, ichor bullets/arrows, etc
not sure for rogue but you get the idea
placid moth
Ichor Spear, probs
tired haven
The classless guns are intended for all classes as universal but somewhat weak option (since you have to switch to them and they have almost no damage)
Ichor spear is like 3 seconds so it's trash as debuff tbh
ashen warren
make it 10%
warm tinsel
Sure
ashen warren
bc 2 mounts 1 drop is a choice
warm tinsel
I actually wanted to suggest this as a transformation, but I realized how cool this would be if a CG was rideable
civic rampart
Like how the cosmic plushie rides a mechworm?
tired haven
Is there anything I should polish before suggesting?
Pearlbearer Armor, Rogue Hardmode set (before any HM boss)
Crafted with Pearlwood Armor, Mollusk Shells, Sea Prisms (Headpiece), Giant Pearl (Breastplace) and Sea Shells (Leggings)
Full set stats:
28 defense
Giant Pearl effect (Breastplace)
20% increased rogue damage
12% increased rogue crit
20% increased rogue velocity
Set bonus: Pearl slowly becomes brighter when you kill enemies, providing further boost in rogue stats. Resets on death/world exit.
105 max rogue stealth
That is neat, somewhat special armor set for generic Rogue progression, that also makes more use of new Sunken Sea biome. Supposed to soften the gap between Statigel and Daedalus armor sets, since preparation for mech-tier bosses takes quite long time and serious power level.
faint rivet
Looks neat
random tide
Isn't daedalus just post-cryo? I've never had an issue with that jump on death mode. . . but it looks pretty good besides that
faint rivet
It's post-cryo, yes
ashen warren
Statigel vs cryo 
low remnant
literally me every time I've played the game
faint rivet
Just don't get hit 
random tide
I mean I'd like a titanium helmet for summoner and rogue more than just creating a different type of armor for them
low remnant
unfortunately, that's been suggested plenty of times with no result as of yet
faint rivet
Titanium
low remnant
otherwise I'd love that too
random tide
Exactly
tired haven
Yeah, daedalus is just post-cryo.
If you don't count waffe, tons of hm mobs farming, hm ore progression, grind and even more grind
And as much as I'd appreaciate helmets for existing hm ore armors, I guess that ain't become a thing any soon
faint rivet
Tbf I'd love a new set pre-Cryo
warm tinsel
@civic rampart yeah, I meant it exactly like that
civic rampart
that'll be interesting but probably hell to code
warm tinsel
Oh well, if you guys like it I'm sure Fab won't mind doing it
frail mantle
@tribal salmon maybe instead of saying "add something along the lines of this very vague concept" say "add this thing, that does this, is obtained in this way, because of this reason"
ashen warren
should there be a Plaguebringer Goliath version of the honeyed goggles
sinful steeple
Yes
ashen warren
done
earnest raptor
Sharp Shadow
Movement accessory
Melee weapons that don't fire projectiles are granted 10% more damage
Grants the ability to Shadow Dash
That dash charges a bit slower that regular and can be performed in any direction: you can double tap a button with needed direction
Dashing into an attack will cause you to dodge it
After a dodge you will be granted a buff to all damage, rogue speed and velocity, and all crit chance for a short time
After a successful dodge you must wait 12 seconds before you can dodge again
If you have a 60 Stealth, you will dash much further, will damage a mobs and go through thick walls (wall clipping are toggable by visibility)
That dash will consume all stealth
Dash damage affected by both melee and rogue bonuses and debuff flasks
Yeah, that's all are tooltip.
🛠 : Counter Scarf + Twisting Nether + 10 Phantoplasm + 20 Spikes @ Ancient Manipulator
Why: Counter Scarf are really good, but will get outclassed by Calamity's shield. And rogue stealth mechanic should have a more uses.
Notes: I really bad at photoshoping, so doesn't blame me for that bad showcase.
Yeah, that kinda reference to HK.
civic rampart
Cool concept but make the wall phrase togglable? And make rogue benefit from the scarf too, while melee not losing the previous +20% dmg boost for true memee weapons
distant gyro
I would like the scarf to be for True Memee as well because they start to suffer on DoG
ashen warren
what about a scarf that makes you dash 50 tiles
distant gyro
that's a bit crazy lol
ashen warren
you could dash through all of supreme calamitas's bullet hell
and get to places super quickly
earnest raptor
Any-directional dash is not enough for you?
civic rampart
Nay you'll dash out of the arena(noclip) and die to enraged scal
agile cloud
civic rampart
Yup, and she can ohko you if you don't have the smelly revive/death prevention
sinful steeple
I thought it would be cool if the plague honeyed goggles were called the pestilent visor
languid dome
is it alright if I update a previous suggestion that was accepted already? I specifically wish to add sprites that aren't as blurry
azure flower
i got an idea for a post DoG magic weapon
Cosmic Bell
It would be crafted with typical post-DoG materials like cosmilite, phantoplasm and event energies, along with the bell you buy from the wizard
It's an indirect upgrade to medusa's head, and functions very similarly, although it can hit through walls, takes slightly longer to charge, and crits cause an "echo" that damages enemies again with half the base damage.
I got the idea from the bells that are in a lot of calamity themes, and medusa's head is a cool weapon.
sinful steeple
Okay that's pretty cool
hollow shell
@dusty plover Just makin sure, you know only Calamity wings were nerfed because they were all vastly superior to vanilla wings in the same tier, right?
frank stratus
basically vanilla wings are useless when you have calamity
hollow shell
Also @tribal salmon I'm a bit late, but could you elaborate more on your suggestion?
What is an "armor-like" mount? Why should it be added to the game?
dusty plover
im talking about the nerf where it reduces wing time when you fight bosses
hollow shell
That's a thing?
dusty plover
Leviathan touched upon this topic in his recent calamity video, and he brings up some interesting points
this video made me make that suggestion
ashen warren
he's referring to calamity wings being nerfed in terms of their stats, not vanilla wings
hollow shell
I see nothing about wings being nerfed while bosses are alive in the source
Either he's mistaken or you misinterpreted his words
Yeah he's just talking about how Calamity wings were nerfed in general
lost agate
The nerf was made because the bosses were fought as they werent intended
And some stuff got slower to compensate for it
So if it was a toggle, the bosses would be even easier than before
Which doesnt sound like a good idea
You aint really meant to circle twins
frank stratus
tbh circling twins is 
hollow shell
I'd be okay with a some item which is like a reverse Defiled Rune, either a togglable or an accessory
Boosting wing flight time and speed at the cost of something drastic
Like you deal less damage or enemies drop no money or something, iunno
frank stratus
yea that would be decentt
lost agate
Thats kind of aero stone 
frank stratus
aero stone doesn't have bad effects tho
lost agate
You take away an accesory slot just for mobility
frank stratus
yeah but like it's still a viable accessory at the time you get it
hollow shell
Aero Stone doesn't affect flight time or speed
I dunno how much jump speed affects wings
frank stratus
emblems are hardmode tho
lost agate
It helps with wings a lot
hollow shell
I know it does something but I don't know how it compares to actual wing stats
frank stratus
aerostone carries through prehm
hollow shell
Thousand there's only 1 wing in PreHM
lost agate
Yeah and it helps when using wings
ashen warren
tfw those gifs are huge 
lost agate
You fly faster which means you go higher
hollow shell
@languid dome Your suggestion already got delivered. No need to repost
languid dome
where can I post the less blurry sprites for you guys or is that not necessary?
hollow shell
Why are you reposting it?
frank stratus
hmm, does aerostone directly affect wings? i'm reading jump boost
hollow shell
Jump boost has an effect on wings, yes.
languid dome
Wished to correct my mistake, and it took me a little too long to correct it....
frank stratus
hmm, i usually use the jump boost for something like bob
hollow shell
Your sprites were already not delivered along with the original suggestion (from a month and a half ago)
languid dome
so you weren't going to use them?
hollow shell
No
languid dome
little upsetting
hollow shell
Have you been to the art server?
languid dome
need a bit more information than that
"art server" is very vague, there's a million of them
hollow shell
The Calamity Mod Art Server discord
There's many tutorials for improving sprites, as well as many people willing to help you export them in the proper resolution
languid dome
I'm stupid.
hollow shell
lol
languid dome
xD
so my sprites were meh or not liked?
my goal with them were to have more traditional guns that don't look over the top and ridiculous
hollow shell
Not liked.
There were uhh
quite a few problems with them
languid dome
lay them on me? I wish to correct them. While maintaining their core design
oooooor... Is it a bit late for that?
hollow shell
You can head to the art server for that, they've got a #pixel-art channel which is used for spriting conversations.
There are a lot of spriters there, and the convo would be more suited for there anyhow
languid dome
I'm in but I gotta wait
hollow shell
Aight
languid dome
besides I'd like to hear the devs personal issues with them.
probably can hear them there tho...
hollow shell
I can tell you right here that being improperly exported was the biggest issue
They were blurry and too large
hollow shell
Not just a size issue
The sprites themselves could be fixed as well
but it was the biggest issue
hollow shell
And "size" was referring more to the sizes of the pixels
All Terraria and Calamity sprites are in "2x2", which means that every "pixel" is 2 real pixels tall by 2 real pixels wide
Example:
languid dome
not hard to fix
hollow shell
Do so
radiant meadow
balancing stuff will not receive a toggle in the configs
that includes wing nerfs
livid coral
I've kind of wanted a vorpal blade anyway in the mod and if it doesn't have a Doctor Who reference then I'll be sad.
frail mantle
maybe add the Medusa Head to the recipe since it works like it
azure flower
I was considering it but it doesn't make much sense for a head to turn into a bell
frail mantle
well the Elemental Axe crafts into the Cosmic Immaterializer and neither the minion or the summon weapon looks like an axe 
either way, it does sorta make sense to be in the recipe since it works like one
azure flower
yeah i suppose
radiant meadow
do dedicated weapons count?
radiant meadow
guess we can talk about how we convert a harp into a guitar then
dusty stirrup
The power of music
ashen warren
lost agate
we obviously didnt remember that was something that had to be done!
sleek wigeon
cold terrace
whats a minishark
cold terrace
real a-tier suggestions tonight, aye?
lost agate
were at it 24/7
cold terrace
lost agate
but eh whatever
shadow creek
hm
cold terrace
I like crab's suggestion, even though mollusk armor works for premech rogue afaik
shadow creek
tbh I feel like the auric tier needs another throwing weapon
shadow creek
ok
cold terrace
I'm sure there'll be plenty of options for the big 3 once the rogue patch rolls around
dusty stirrup
1.4.2.201
shadow creek
oh hey there ^
dusty stirrup
Hi
shadow creek
so it's gonna add more rogue weapons?
cold terrace
1.4.2 was like the sampler before the main course
dusty stirrup
Yeah
shadow creek
was that an answer to my question or to what he said
cold terrace
your question.
shadow creek
nice
um
tbh I feel like the rogue class is a bit empty rn. so...
once that changes it'll be better
fuck why was I thinking of an auric tier crystalline-type weapon
cold terrace
hey, its fun to imagine
dusty stirrup
Because it'd be cool
cold terrace
but, doesnt like
shadow creek
It'd be nice but we already have the celestus
cold terrace
celestus fit that description
dusty stirrup
Celestus acts like a boomerang
cold terrace
ah
dusty stirrup
If anything, shattered sun gets removed from the recipe for celestus
There'll be other weps to fill the role during the rogue update anyway
radiant meadow
spear of paleolith
cold terrace
im really hoping for a darksun upgrade to shattered sun that replaces it in the celestus recipe
shadow creek
an endgame (post-scal) crystalline weapon would be nice
cold terrace
prolly wont happen but I figured moving from the sun to the dark sun makes sense
dusty stirrup
That'd only happen if a dev were to want a post-scal crystalline upgrade
cold terrace
can cal essence be used in suggestions
dusty stirrup
Yeah but it's less likely to be added in the game
cold terrace
i forget if the rules are like, you cant have shadowspec in recipes but can have calamitous essence
dusty stirrup
shadowspec is only for devs, yeah
cold terrace
there isn't a single weapon with calamitous essence in it's recipe so
dusty stirrup
well for now
After yharim gets added, it'll probably be different
Since shadowspec isn't actually SCal's true drop
cold terrace
so you have to fight drae before you can craft the EoE
aight
i guess that means you cant answer that question yet even if another dev confirms it to you
dusty stirrup
p much
cold terrace
I feel like I remember fab saying you could do them in any order
despite the progression
like mechs
dusty stirrup
Yeah that used to be the case, but that's no longer a thing
shadow creek
maybe auric tier could also get another sentry type summon item
shadow creek
o
rich inlet
Ono, brain celless suggestions
“Why don’t you make summoner better”
how to make summoner better
fresh harbor
Not even surprised that they self starred, too
livid coral
smh
cold terrace
"add this weapon because its a sonic reference"
rich inlet
Ngl the wing nerf toggle actually sound better than both of those
lost agate
But wing nerf toggle is a no
if only dreams could come tru
cold terrace
a wing nerf toggle would basically be free accessory slots that you'd otherwise have to fill with aero stone, hote, frog leg etc in order to come close the acceleration calamity wings used to have
tl;dr wingslot 2.0
rich inlet
I was just gonna say you can download an ancient version but 1.3.4 and lower got deleted in #mod-downloads
lost agate
And since some bosses became slower because of wing nerf it would be almost a cheese
Clone would be a damn joke
rich inlet
Wait bosses are really slower?
livid coral
Yep
rich inlet
Explain skelly prime
rich inlet
Oh k
gusty geode
Couldn't you play an old version by pressing downgrade in the mod browser
mint ginkgo
thats only if you have an updated version thats not on the mod browser
gaunt karma
@pale bluff maybe separate the suggestions, i know that if i like one but dislike another i wouldn't star it
pale bluff
I'll do that
gaunt karma
also "if they dare move" is rather vague
does that mean it does extra damage to enemies that are immune to being frozen? or does that mean depending on the enemy it might or might not move
rapid pivot
How do you all feel about this?
Suggestion:Raise the chance to get a sturdy fossil from the Extractinator.
Why: ... The Fossil Armor is a pre-hardmode armor set. It requires 75 Sturdy Fossils, each of which have a 13.8% chance of dropping from Desert Fossils. If you do the math, that means that on average, you'd have to sift through 540 ancient fossils to get a sub-par armor set. That's even worse than the pre-HM ore armors, and it's roughly on-par with Victide, a set that at best requires you to defeat the Desert Scourge, one of the earliest bosses in Calamity, ONCE.
either buff fossil or make it cheaper
probably make it cheaper, since it's fairly strong for throwing as-is
but not strong enough to justify 540 ancient fossils
Any thoughts?
ashen warren
But throwing is dead scree
rapid pivot
Could always make a Rogue variant of the fossil armor, that's probably been suggested to death though.
ashen warren
Yes, yes it has
rapid pivot
either way you have to admit it's utterly ridiculous
ashen warren
Well, throwing isn't really worth it to begin with
You get some on-par, perhaps viable weapons, then poof
Hardmode immediately deletes the class
rapid pivot
which is the point of the rogue class, yeh?
ashen warren
As a support/crutch, it's great
But throwing can't really be it's own thing due to that
Wait what
rapid pivot
the point of rogue is to have a throwing class that is viable full-game
ashen warren
Not anymore iirc
It's tryna be it's own thing
Non-consumables being the most prominent difference
rapid pivot
Ah.
hollow shell
@earnest raptor wtf is with all the empty space on that image
earnest raptor
My Photo Editor didn't correctly cut that image.
real parrot
dusty stirrup
what
lost agate
Its like the dark dash from HK but went wrong
wooden wigeon
wouldn't it have been better to explain with words?
lost agate
🤷
wooden wigeon
so if i have this right, its a black spiky scarf
earnest raptor
wouldn't it have been better to explain with words?
Not with my English knowledge.
so if i have this right, its a black spiky scarf
Yes, with improved dash.
unique vector
12 seconds seems very short
ngl
consider the fact that compared to the calamity shields, it gives stat boosts passively during the dash as well as a CS dash
whereas the shields give side effects that dont directly impact dmg, crit, etc
and have no i-frame dodge
wooden wigeon
alright, so what i gather:
an upgrade to CS
dash item for rogue working off rogue stealth
dash that can go up or down
a bit weaker for true melee than CS
later game item
probably shouldn't worry about rogue until rogue update is done, and if we ignore that, then this allows you to dash up and down
sleek wadi
So what would stop me from just dashing up over and over for infinite flight/hover or dashing down continuously to replace the jelly bean mount for death Scal?
Also I think the true melee bonuses should improve when upgrading because as it stands true melee does not care about that item when they can throw in another damage accessory.
digital pelican
Idk if this is being worked on already but the mollusk armour's clams go through calamitas doppelganger's damage reduction and that allows for some mega cheese
hollow shell
@regal root Revengeance Mode is already toggleable 
sinful violet
ashen warren
this is good
frail mantle
sinful violet
i enjoy
frail mantle
doing other class-specific playthroughs than Summoner make me realize places where other classes are sorta lacking
ashen warren
can we also buff sharpening station thx
tired haven
can we get sharpening station but for rogue kthx
faint rivet
Sharpening station but allclass
tired haven
that's called pumpkin pie
candid mantle
can we get pumpkin pie but for enemies
tired haven
bacon but prehm
faint rivet
Kek
frail mantle
but why though
faint rivet
Why not
frail mantle
for nurse strat, you have to make sure you and the nurse aren't killed by whatever you're fighting, and the nurse is most likely killed in the process
faint rivet
Oh right, people don't use friendly npcs don't die
frail mantle
about the magic mirror, i think people use it more to escape if they summoned a boss by accident, not necessarily to cheese the bosses
astral lake
I used mirror when tryin to figure out how to kill astrum deus, but
teleporters, minecarts, hoiks. etc. cheesier strats.
But idk. Honestly, if you don't want to use nurse or mirror to fight bosses then don't. Why would you need a setting that kills you if you try?
frail mantle
exactly
if you don't want the bosses to be easy, don't use strategies that make them easy
radiant bough
I am specifically
talking about config options
So they'd be disabled by default
but allow the players who want them, to turn them on ^^
frail mantle
but why
radiant bough
Because
frail mantle
i don't understand why it needs to be a config in the first place
radiant bough
Not everyone wants the same experience.
wooden wigeon
are you saying you literally can't stop yourself from using a strategy you don't like?
frail mantle
i'm confused
turbid sedge
The only thing it would accomplish is frustrate people who then have to go in and flip the flag in the config.
frail mantle
^
radiant bough
It helps for multiplayer.
ruby cobalt
wooden wigeon
no, said off by default
radiant bough
The entire point, is a QoL change
that prevents mistakes from happening with cheesy strats
turbid sedge
That's not even quality of life.
radiant bough
when youre exhausted.
frail mantle
most people just wouldn't bother turning them on since there's not really any point
turbid sedge
If you accidentally nudge your mirror hotkey during a boss that's on you.
frail mantle
your suggestion isn't QoL, it'd make the game harder for most people
radiant bough
I'm sure its a small fraction of the community.
Quality of life, does not mean easier.
frail mantle
yes it does
placid moth
if he wants to have a harder experience let him do it lmao
ruby cobalt
I like how everyone keeps ignoring that it would be off by default.
frail mantle
yea but people just wouldn't bother turning it on
turbid sedge
I read it as "using these things kills you by default"
radiant bough
I don't understand why people would be apposed to this, the nurse code is likely still lingering around
So it owuldnt eat much dev time
and mirror, shouldnt be too hard, because the during boss fight code is still there from the nurse
So, it likely wouldnt be too much dev time, and ontop of that, more features should be better than less.
wooden wigeon
i still don't even see the point of adding it, what is the specific scenario you had in mind
radiant bough
Mirroring, or using the nurse during boss combat.
wooden wigeon
you or others?
frail mantle
magic mirroring is mainly used to escape bosses when you spawn them by accident afaik
radiant bough
In multiplayer
bosses dont despawn
so nicely.
The armageddon doesnt even work correctly in MP. MP is really buggy when it comes to bosses
wooden wigeon
afaik, multiplayer is broken in all senses of the word
wooden wigeon
and you were saying bosses don't despawn easily in mp?
radiant bough
yes
wooden wigeon
do they despawn if all players are dead?
radiant bough
sometimes
lmao
Not always
MP has some minor bugs, but as a whole, it'd be nice to have new challenge mode stuff
wooden wigeon
i'd go look and see if anyone else reported the armageddon thing in bugs channel
ruby cobalt
Already known.
wooden wigeon
well it sounds like that as an option wouldn't even fix your issue in the first place, since you'd use the mirror or nurse, die, and the boss would stick around because its multiplayer waiting for you to respawn
radiant bough
Thats fine
You're missing the point, and the bugs are completely unrelated to why we want these things.
it would add a small set of rules enforced by the game.
worthy fiber
You could just not use them?
Doesn't seem worth the effort to make it a config option
frail mantle
^
tulip parcel
Before I suggest
is it possible to actively generate structures one at a time in-world
like a small house is generated and then another is generated the next day, etc
worthy fiber
Probably, though it sounds like it will lag quite a lot
tulip parcel
Okay what if it generated all at once?
my idea is that, let's say post-clone
an NPC called "the baron" appears in the world
ruby cobalt
big lag at once, no lag after
tulip parcel
and he starts building a castle
and as he does he gets more NPCs to inhabit it
not yours, different NPCs
tulip parcel
no?
rustic ember
It's a nice idea but I doubt people will appreciate the lag
worthy fiber
Yeah, does seem like an idea with potential
rapid pivot
How do you all feel about this?
Suggestion:Make a Rogue variation of the Shadowflame Knife.
Why: ... It's a throwing knife!
cyan lagoon
vanilla items will never get the rogue class treatment
rapid pivot
Ah, a'ight.
tired haven
Tbf, if vanilla armors got rogue treatment, why not some weps
radiant meadow
except glad and obsidian didn't do anything
shadowflame knife already does something
worthy fiber
@inner rover Blood Relic.
inner rover
oh ok
worthy fiber
worthy fiber
Make sure it isn't in the mod already before suggesting it 
void kelp
it’s always good to ask before suggesting!
hey does HM giant clam reflect projectiles like the biome mimic when closed
ashen warren
That's why the wiki exists.
tired haven
It doesn't at all I guess
summer egret
Longest one ive ever posted
sinful steeple
Why'd you star your own suggestion
summer egret
Dont @ me
dusty stirrup
I don't think anyone'll want to program that
dusty stirrup
also a second The World reference in calamity haha yes
radiant meadow
also, it doesn't say it can call for gold instead of platinum 
cyan lagoon
stellar knife
radiant meadow
wdym bad?
summer egret
Like, its just slower knives that home in
Theres a lot more viable options that isnt knives that stop midair
radiant meadow
stellar knives are very viable for their tier
they're good for golem, pbg, and fishron
summer egret
Okay, but
This int a weapon either.
Its an equipment that causes an effect with adrenaline and rage
radiant meadow
that doesn't make stellar knives bad?
summer egret
I mean, as it evolves more I'll probably change the name
I dont really expect any of the first trials of the items to go far, I just see if people like the idea, and go from there
shadow creek
wait, flying knife is changed to rogue or not?
dusty stirrup
No
shadow creek
oh
balmy flint
Hey i have a question. Is my computer able to run calamity well if its already are running vanilla terraria good
dusty stirrup
It should, but you're asking in the wrong channel
dusty stirrup
dusty stirrup
np
shadow creek
How long does it take (usually) to make an item in this mod?
dusty stirrup
It ranges from 5 minutes to a few days depending on the complexity
cyan lagoon
scrapped boss
shadow creek
hmm
cyan lagoon
it's from eons ago, back when the mod had a completely different style
shadow creek
was the thing on the top left corner going to be a minion for it or..?
cyan lagoon
no
the entire thing is one entitiy
wait nvm im stupid, it could be
its hard to tell though
shadow creek
It doesn't really look attached to the boss
summer egret
Back when the mod was memes and lorde was a thing
cyan lagoon
not sure
probably a wendigo from the looks? either way this old calamity content thing is definitely off topic
cyan lagoon
so if we want to continue, #calamity-mod-talk
radiant meadow
@hot nebula the trophy wasn't exactly forgotten. It's just that nobody has made an acceptable sprite of it yet.
If nobody sprites it, it won't be implemented
hot nebula
Ok, thanks.
hollow shell
Always write big suggestions somewhere separate first
ashen warren
Could I suggest that every patreon item be marked w/ a patreon item at the end of the description?
frail mantle
i suppose you could, as long as you reason with it well
hollow shell
They already all have their own rarity
Well
Doesn't directly imply that they're Patreon
but it can be worked out if you use the wiki at all
hollow shell
Ye
ashen warren
Do prefixes change rarity at all?
hollow shell
Not in Calamity, no
ashen warren
ah, alright. Thanks.
hollow shell
np
frail mantle
@frosty vortex why though
ashen warren
Bowl lista
hot nebula
nice
hollow shell
@frosty vortex A ballista is already a bow 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballista
well
a crossbow, but still
Also @summer egret I'm late but
You treat World Clock like a rogue accessory despite the fact that its main and most fleshed out mechanic has nothing to do with the rogue class
If it's supposed to be, like, an indirect help for rogue by encouraging you to stay in one place in the AoE to build up stealth, then it'd probably be a great idea to describe that interaction somewhere in the suggestion
lost agate
brutally unnecesary pun i see
radiant meadow
crystalline?
cyan lagoon
Theres also crystalline, b-
radiant meadow
seashell boomerang?
night cradle
Javelins arent rogue I think
radiant meadow
javelins are throwing tho
sinful violet
javelins are throwing, yeah
frosty kindle
Crystalline exists but i do see his point
cyan lagoon
While i'm here
night cradle
^^
radiant meadow
and there's a good chance they'll just turn into not viable options like hm ore consumables
cyan lagoon
Imo i want victide to be nerfed so it doesnt outshine everything else
restive karma
Diamonds are really hard to grind out, especially when the crawlers are already hard to grind
cyan lagoon
Its bloody pre boss and it can carry you up to Queen Bee
And it isnt hard to get whatsoever as cnidrions are easily exploited
radiant meadow
it's hard to make 6 additional rogue weapons unique and not wulfrum knife lookalikes
wait, it's actually 8
restive karma
Ok imma just yeet it
The only good suggestion i made was a wooden yoyo in the starter bag
fresh harbor
How often are Sulphurous Seas/Astral water fountains suggested?
Because tbh I would die to have that silver Astral water in my base
radiant meadow
never
idk how hard fountains are to code though and someone would have to be motivated to sprite it
lost agate
@pale bluff so paladin hammer but almost as rare...
icy phoenix
Leviathan(youtuber) could make ataraxia sword vs any boss xD
autumn vessel
ah ok
shadow creek
I think there should be more rogue accessories
fervent zealot
whynotsuggestsometheninsteadofmakingavagueandobviousstatement
shadow creek
icantthinkofsomethingyoufuckingdip
fervent zealot
wealreadyknowweneedmoreyoudidnthavetopostifyoudidnthaveanyideas
pale bluff
Maybe have certain Rogue Accessories have the Weapon Imbue effects?
and the ability to craft a one that uses ALL of the Weapon Imbue effects all at once?
terse sundial
What about accessories that modify the Stealth Mechanic? Would that be too much.
I was thinking about an accessory that reduces the crit chance and damage bonuses, but gives additional speed
rapid pivot
Or.. hm..
What about an accessory that makes it so you don't have to stand still for stealth build-up, but it carries a -5% speed penalty and a -20% damage penalty?
Or, halves the Stealth cap?
terse sundial
These are interesting ideas
rapid pivot
What does everyone else think?
terse sundial
I'm making a document for my Rouge Ideas, when I finish it I'll share it here or in suggestions
Here are the Rogue ideas
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XitHV1ovidtlCJ2gamTkJ48X-47yvd4akxnmxbBExzk/edit?usp=sharing
hollow shell
@terse sundial It'd probably be more helpful to give the stats in reference to the default, possibly also with more general language
Not everybody has stealth stats memorized or wants to bother lookin it up
Also ffs post the doc not everything in it
terse sundial
Sounds good
terse sundial
yeah, it's taking time
hollow shell
ok
lofty blade
Shouldn't you split them?
terse sundial
Into 4 documents, I may as well
The first three revolve around eachother, but I can remove the weapon categories
proven tide
nani the fuck
proven tide
What isn't good?
tulip parcel
the weapon
proven tide
Which weapon?
tulip parcel
the one that does damage
proven tide
Alright, I see.
Out of all the weapons in vanilla Terraria and Calamity, which of the weapons that do damage is the one to which your sentence refers (also known as 'the one', 'the weapon', 'the one that does damage', 'the weapon that does damage', and similar variants)?
dusty stirrup
Can you don't @tulip parcel
tulip parcel
is good sugg
radiant meadow
No meme suggestions today please
It's April Fools, but don't do it.
dusty stirrup
Just because it's april 1st doesn't mean you can start posting shitpost suggs
tulip parcel
i jus wan to give the sugg
okay okay I'll take it down
I hope it at least gave a giggle
dusty stirrup
I already removed it
tulip parcel
rip
fossil torrent
Vorbis...
rapid pivot
Either way; how do you all feel about something like, say..
Geta Shoes
Tootip: Ninjas seem to like them, so they must be good, right?
Lets Rogues build their stealth even if they're moving
Halves the Stealth cap
Decreasing the stealth cap would basically half all the benefits of stealth, so I think it's a fair trade.
terse sundial
I like that
tired haven
Me too, would be game-changing
terse sundial
we need more stealth mechanic suggestions but I can't think of anymore good ones
tired haven
Accessory that gives player more regen when at low stealth and dodge chance when at high?
tired haven
Higher damage taken at low and negative regen at high?
ruby cobalt
...but rogues already build stealth while moving?
ruby cobalt
Yes?
tired haven
Wait right there.
So you want to say that "are not moving or attacking" implies that "moving but not attacking" and "attacking but not moving" still work along with "not moving and attacking"?
Not denying that possibility but fuck english grammar I guess
rapid pivot
"Stealth increases whenever the player is not moving or using any items or weapons. Stealth decreases when the player uses items or weapons, but remains the same while they are moving."
ruby cobalt
TIL
tired haven
rapid pivot
either way, considering that, what do you think?
rapid pivot
i'll post it then
ruby cobalt
hol up
rapid pivot
?
ruby cobalt
what would you think about nerfing the cap to 75% of its value, but you get 12.5% less benefits?
ruby cobalt
its an accessory after all, you could be using a straight damage upgrade
or mobility accs
frail mantle
how do you obtain it
frail mantle
rapid pivot
There's.. kinda already two rogue accessories dedicated to straight damage upgrades.
As for what this'd do, it'd let people get most of Stealth's benefits without having to stop moving.
Which could then open up more strategies that utilize stealth's bonuses.
ruby cobalt
potentially broke as shit, but we'll see if it gets in
rapid pivot
Oh, yeah, I know; hence why I said halved stealth cap.
ruby cobalt
and to answer the "cap affects the boost" - no, not really
the cap is basically a timer that fills up and gives you boosts corresponding to % value
you could HALVE the cap and basically speed it up by 100%, but the boosts would stay the same
rapid pivot
Yeah, so reducing the cap reduces the magnitude of the buff at its strongest.
ruby cobalt
unless redcode fucks me over
tired haven
Well, it kinda does because you get more out of x stealth with bigger cap
At least from what I recall
Or is maximum stat boost unchanged?
ruby cobalt
it could be a fixed amount
tired haven
Gosh, why stealth is so hard to understand
ornate ocean
@summer egret Why Doombringer shotgun sounds like that one from Doom:Ethernal 
ashen warren
shovel???
summer egret
Hmm I wonder why
warm tinsel
I had to literally grind for providence again, can't we just uncraft something we don't need and get back our stuff?
fluid ravine
not really fixes your situation but fargos has a uncraft i believe?
sinful steeple
YES. Once I accidentally misclicked and crafted a brimstone key. I miss my shadow key...
fluid ravine
only for armour to bars
ashen warren
Fargo uncrafts basic vanilla ore stuff.
sinful steeple
... Oh
ashen warren
Yar, bones and obsidian iirc.
fluid ravine
and a golden key
near crown
can someone tell me how to edit images into discord messages
I want to add this to the roarhorn one
wat?
magic? :p
sinful steeple
Calamity and Thorium are never gonna happen so stop shipping it
sinful steeple
Oh
ashen warren
smh smh
void kelp
why do people think that above instrument is a plausible instrument. you don’t just throw trombone slides on everything
near crown
its just to show you guys
void kelp
it’s a cool idea tho I like it
near crown
it's half joke but we can dream right? :p
near crown
they should be ikr
ashen warren
i wont star it
radiant meadow
wdym split?
near crown
it didnt let me split it
lofty blade
Like it's multiple suggestions in one message, he should've made it to be in multiple messages.
near crown
I did
radiant meadow
am I supposed to get off my lazy ass and star the other messages?
near crown
I put each weapon as one message
marsh gust
i could do that instead tbh
near crown
it's still lumped as one reaction
lofty blade
ok
marsh gust
oh he did it anyways
near crown
oh your sould is mine can you edit in the above image to the end of the last weapon
it's something to show what it would look like
marsh gust
he cant edit messages
near crown
F
radiant meadow
can't you edit that?
near crown
it wont let me append an image when I press edit and try to paste the image
radiant meadow
just put this link at the bottom
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/562231862374957083/La_Black_Luna.png
marsh gust
you could probably get the link and edit in the image link instead
ashen warren
N e v e r
sinful steeple
Thalamity will never be a thing so stop shipping it
sudden quail
I was considering copying Baro's post here, but since it's an AF suggestion I thought it would be rulebreaking
radiant meadow
AF?
radiant meadow
you mean the crossmod bard suggestions that someone already posted?
faint rivet
Lel
sudden quail
Yeah
radiant meadow
depends on how much of a joke it is
sudden quail
I wanted to do it myself, but told myself "no"
He even went to me for advice on this suggestion
keen nebula
Add a ping icon to the server image just for today
vestal elbow
Tremor discord just for today
worthy fiber
ashen warren
👀
near crown
that would be awesome to be honest
ashen warren
Making lionfish op.
ashen warren
i see no issue here
void kelp
yeah
near crown
nerf the base dmg a bit but keep the dpt the same
void kelp
rn seafoam bombs are actually still on par with lionfish
near crown
make it a semi crowd control weapon
placid moth
Really ?
void kelp
dps wise, against a single enemy seafoam bombs are like,, comparable I’ve found just from what I’ve played
near crown
it depends on what you are fighting
ashen warren
Lionfish has 50 more dps and DoT.
near crown
for pure single target lionfish all the way
void kelp
it makes an explosion and everything it bothers me so much that it’s only visual
there— is this edit more balanced?
placid moth
I would not change Lionfish at all, and have Lionfish and Seafoam Bomb perform 2 different functions that do well in different contexts.
void kelp
I respect your opinion!
placid moth
It would be interesting to see Lionfish have splash damage, but that might outclass Seafoam Bomb if damage adjustments are not set well.
void kelp
honestly I just feel that SB needs a nerf so badly it’s absurd
since you can get it incredibly early
placid moth
Yeah, post DS, was it ?
void kelp
yeah.
post-DS rogue weapon that carries you throughout pre-HM
actually, I have a better suggestion. deleting my old one since you’ve persuaded me that they should have different roles.
I hope this suggestion isn’t like, a duplicate of another person’s;;
ashen warren
man there's alot of suggestions to nerf seafoam
placid moth
Let's not make seafoam go down the path of voltaic climax.
fervent zealot
buff seafoam tbh
ashen warren
bruh
ashen warren
Make seafoam an ingredient for sulphuric acid bomb tbh
void kelp
oh that would be cool
honestly seafoam being nerfed is 100% because of how imbalanced it feels relative to the rest of the rogue weapons at its level of progression
also, are there only beenades for throwing after QB?
placid moth
@ashen warren what kind of suggestion is that even
skeletron is not difficult given enough preparation.
easily cheesed with mobility gears
placid moth
Ikr.
sinful steeple
Skeletron is ass but doesn't need a nerf imo
quiet abyss
You need to give us a valid reason for us to nerf him
"He's too hard for me" is not an actual reason and is a problem on your side, not the game's.
ashen warren
can we make the old man able to respawn in the same night instead of having to wait for the next night
ashen warren
I mean I don't wanna wait for the next day just to fight another boss and possibly die again
placid moth
fair enuff
sinful steeple
I mean the same thing happens with the cultists~~ even though it makes eidolon tablet do nothing post-Golem and at that point you already have the cosmolight~~
frail mantle
or how about we just add a config that makes the old man not die when Smellytron spawns
fossil torrent
True
ashen warren
o
fossil torrent
Better one
ashen warren
Why did you delete my suggestion?
placid moth
It was not a suggestion to begin with
frail mantle
because "he's hard for me" isn't a good reason for nerfing Smellytron
placid moth
Exactly.
ashen warren
Its troll
frail mantle
you sure tho
it might just be that he doesn't quite understand suggestions here yet
hollow shell
@near crown Heck. It's a bit late now, but 4 suggestions in a row should definitely be put into a doc instead
ashen warren
Alright, would a phm solar flare be a good idea?
cyan lagoon
probably would have to be nerfed heavily
distant gyro
what does that mean, a phm yoyo with solar flare effects?
cyan lagoon
since calamity yoyos are superior statwise to vanilla
distant gyro
oh, so nebulash -1
ashen warren
Pr much
distant gyro
Imagine using it close range for wof or something
ashen warren
In terms of having a long weapon vs skeletron
languid ermine
Amazon does pretty well
ashen warren
Yoyos, unlike swords, only have one point of contact
ashen warren
Pets? Sounds like Calamity Vanity mod stuff
livid coral
Honestly we need to buff all the fish items and also add some more
languid dome
the issue with calamity vanity stuff?
faint needle
Are the thorium cross content posts a joke?I know fab and other devs want cross content but i think they are gonna finish the mod 1st, right?
Nvm
Looked on thorium discord and they also have calamity cross content suggesytions
radiant meadow
@ashen warren 1. Staff of the Mechworm already fills that role as a doggo summon
2. no death mode exclusive items
fossil torrent
the fuck are these suggestions
yeah it's april fools but
rules still apply just as normal, suggestions are still taken just as seriously
radiant meadow
@ashen warren what is that supposed to mean?
ashen warren
blushie
dusty stirrup
ashen warren
fossil torrent
Yes, but what
radiant meadow
ye, if you want to suggest something, you have to actually say something you want changed
ashen warren
I wasn't suggesting anything
dusty stirrup
???
unique vector
so why did you say it in suggestions
radiant meadow
then why is it in the suggestions channel?
ashen warren
I was replying to eye9's suggestion
radiant meadow
then respond here
fossil torrent
ashen warren
I wonder why #suggestions-discussion exists
unique vector
you do that here
fossil torrent
man, i really wonder what this channel name means
dusty stirrup
It's not sass, we're just telling you what you should have done
ashen warren
I made a mistake I'm sorry
ashen warren
Can we get another three word suggestion?
Elaborate, guys
Wat did i goof again?
Nah. Some just don't have reasons.
@lime mica i like that idea
lime mica
aw thanks
like, i'm not sure how to describe it
lots of blackened steel grates with bright orange fires behind them
molten bottles of magma instead of lightbulbs
I have absolutely no idea how the bookcase would work...
radiant meadow
@lime mica there will not be a fifth pillar
- it's a pain to code and nobody wants to do that
- I doubt anyone would be motivated to sprite the pillar and it's mobs or associated fragments
- where exactly would this pillar go?
lime mica
did you read?
it's not even really a pillar in it's own right, it's more of a random buff to a certain existing pillar that adds a rogue fragment to the drops
radiant meadow
uhh, part of it
ye, reading the full thing now
lime mica
nah don't worry
it's ok
i have no clue how terraria's code functions so i have no idea what would be possible or not
my conception was basically a minion though
spiral olive
i like it, it's a neat deviation from the concept
lime mica
is it clear? i
spiral olive
not sure how possible it would be but it's interesting regardless
radiant meadow
it's good, but yes, a pain to code and sprite still
cyan lagoon
@autumn vessel there is a summon (you probably know that already), but...
yeah its locked until after they die, so a good alternative to that suggestion is to remove that lock behind the summoning item
autumn vessel
yea,. that type of thing
cause i just built my arena around the spawner, and it despawned for some reason after i went to get potions
cyan lagoon
Come to think about it, it's really awkward that they're the only summon items that you can only obtain after their specific boss' death.
spiral olive
well for perfs you technically can get it before you kill them but that would still require you to fight them and kill some worms to get the blood samples
but there's no way to get true shadow scales i don't think
lime mica
have the cysts drop the item instead
that way you can murder it and walk away with a Cyst Core or something
use that as an item
cyan lagoon
ehh i don't think that fixes the problem
lime mica
then keep the craftable one after
cyan lagoon
since the specific problem here is tied to the cysts themselves
lime mica
them spawning? or them despawning
cyan lagoon
and by that point, why even bother having them if you basically get a free second chance to refight them
lime mica
i may have misinterpreted
autumn vessel
i know this is a stretch, but what if you add a specific minion for it, like how Slime God has those wierd purple slimes (forgot their name) that drop the ingredient
cyan lagoon
honestly, that wouldn't be a bad idea
spiral olive
if that were the case then you could make it so cysts drop a special item and change up the recipe for teratoma/bloody worm food and it would work pretty much identical to sg spawn
which is p useful
radiant meadow
it's better than no item like levi nd siren
ashen warren
Mechworm but worse ew
hollow shell
proven tide
🦀 CODING 🦀
————————
NIGHTMARE
ashen warren
Neat
ionic frost
Haven't seen his message sorry tho, but I can't make it clear enough xD
cyan lagoon
ashen warren
I knew I wasn't tripping when I saw the new suggestion
hollow shell
That's a cool idea and also ironic
All class pillars are stationary except for Rogue's, the class based around staying still
fossil torrent
Invisible tbh ngl
Or no, it glows as fuck and is as pronounced as possible
while moving around
proven tide
reidolon wyrm
delicate raft
Y'all want to kill Fab or somethin
quick dove
why not
summer egret
Overthrow fabsol
cyan lagoon
it doesn't have to necessarily be a worm
lime mica
lol
hollow shell
Be careful with that pillar name
We got 4ish items with "Plasma" in the name already
elder sparrow
wiki says plasma rifle and plasma rod
can u check
if there are more
beyond weapons, sorry for fractured messaging
if you put in plasma in the search bar yuo get plasma rod and plasma rifle, idk what else there is and one is pre-hm and one is post-ml
ashen warren
Items: dark plasma
elder sparrow
right
hollow shell
Mushroom Plasma Root also
elder sparrow
i see
hollow shell
Also SHPC is technically "Super Heated Plasma Cannon" but nobody knows that
ashen warren
I do, I just like acronyms
ashen warren
cries in bugs
dusty stirrup
Also someone already suggested an eidolon wyrm pet with the exact same video when it was posted