nights edge has a damage buff, yeah iirc
#suggestions-discussion
sinful violet
hollow shell
Yes termi
fossil torrent
wait i didn’t know you can remove embeds
hollow shell
(put < and > on the sides of the link)
sinful violet
but no one uses it anyway since fugu and gelitic memes
fossil torrent
o
radiant meadow
just use night's stabber and facetank lol
sinful violet
and if you have the balls to true melee anyway, everyone knows to use the chad stabber 
yeah
radiant meadow
night's edge might be better actually, probably needs some testing to find out what's truly the best
fervent zealot
oh my god is that
ashen warren
buff apoth
livid coral
fervent zealot
it's been so long since we've had one of these
hollow shell
@topaz bramble uh oh
radiant meadow
@topaz bramble you're going to have to support that with some values and stuff
keep in mind that scal has apoth resistance
dusty stirrup
Is this real
fervent zealot
lemme just get the camera for a historical moment
dusty stirrup
topaz bramble
wait fuck am I being an idiot?
radiant meadow
and it was buffed recently
topaz bramble
Im being an idiot
dusty stirrup
Indeed
lofty blade
It has been immortalized in audit logs 
topaz bramble
lmao even better
sinful violet
lofty blade
oh rip
sinful violet
pissnsive
unique vector
@radiant meadow scal has apoth resistance? does that apply to BR?
and shouldnt that be wiki-documented
hollow shell
Documenting it now
lofty blade
nice channel to ask that
hollow shell
Wasn't aware it was a thing
radiant meadow
Fab said it when Shucks was testing dev weps
unique vector
fair
hollow shell
Don't you love changes that aren't in #changelogs? :hyperdaryl:
topaz bramble
I told you I have 3IQ, what did you expect
cyan lagoon
why draedon's forge though
and plus i don't recommend it being an immediate upgrade regardless
pale bluff
in a Hardmode Anvil OR Draedon's Forge
void kelp
you could say hardmode anvil+
cyan lagoon
maybe post-ml or provi?
pale bluff
I planned on making it use Cosmilite instead of Astral
ashen warren
Flairon-type weapons are only really good for high-speed/dashing bosses.
DoG, Yharon and Birb fit that in post-ml.
And guardians sorta.
teal ibex
currently there's a quiet interlude followed by a very strong reintroduction of dog's theme
at the beginning of the strong section, he currently spawns on the very first beat
but the fourth beat is the strongest and would be waaaay more fitting to spawn at, at least from my perspective
ashen warren
Makes sense.
hollow shell
Well the first beat is how it's done in the DM DOKURO video
https://youtu.be/opvuEVpl_PM?t=15
teal ibex
ack i don't love it there either lol
if it's artistic choice then ultimately i can't change that
hollow shell
I think it would be weird for you to hear 3 strong beats which have no indicated effect, and then he spawns on the 4th
teal ibex
but it does feel off whenever i fight him, i've always thought he should spawn a bit later
round falcon
would a suggestion to allow rage and adrenaline to buff all (or a majority of) player-inflicted damage go down well
teal ibex
it's not that they have no indicated effect
round falcon
because masochist deathmode bard is forced ripperless
teal ibex
the interlude is quiet, the strong beats resound, tension rises for that brief moment
and then devourer of gods spawns
that seems more powerful to me than spawning him right with the downbeat
ashen warren
Make each beat correspond to a cosmic guardian 
hollow shell
Eh, opinions I guess
I feel like it's good as it is now
teal ibex
it's certainly subjective, yes
i also hadn't realized dokuro's video represented it the same way as well, which doesn't help 
hollow shell
I do feel like you could reword your suggestion to make it clearer that you're talking about the brief interlude after defeating the Sentinels
At first I thought you were talking about Boss Rush 
teal ibex
should i throw in the brief passage after you pinged me for clarification
hollow shell
Yeah sure
teal ibex
edited
hollow shell
Thank you 👍
quiet abyss
I like to think of it this way:
-The quiet interlude makes the players have this feeling of "wait...is it not over yet?" making them start to get nervous/tense.
-DoG spawning on first strong beat followed by another 2 strong beats gives a feeling that makes the players go "oh shit, it's getting real!"
-And immediately after the song goes into it's first chorus, making the player realized that the final part of the battle has just begun, and giving off an intense, climactic feel.
That's how I feel about it anyways.
teal ibex
see, i'd get that vibe if it wasn't so... short?
like we get 3 hard beats after he spawned, and then it cuts back into the same leitmotif
quiet abyss
By short you mean the quiet interlude?
teal ibex
i mean the 3 beats before the downbeat of the second part of the song
quiet abyss
Ah
teal ibex
there's the interlude, 3 hardhitting sounds, and then the downbeat of the chorus or whatever
it feels like there should be rising tension up to the point of the downbeat, but instead he spawns preemptively which sort of leaves the downbeat feeling a bit emptier than it should to me
that's how i interpret it though, not to say yours is wrong lol
ashen warren
See, if calamity was like hollow knight or some shit then having the fight start on the fourth beat would make sense, sorta like NKG.
As-is though, calamity is a terraria mod, it fits more as it is at the moment since in hollow knight and whatnot there are effects and a title card.
teal ibex
tbf dog does get dialogue and a respawn animation
ashen warren
You'd have to add structure that doesn't exist in terraria.
quiet abyss
Ye, this sort of thing is subjective so I can understand ya point, hectic.
The suggestion itself is fine though, so we'll see how people thought.
teal ibex
idk if i'd say the structure doesn't exist. the screen tints, the boss begins appearing, text comes on screen- there's a whole lot to signal the emphasis of the instance where the second fight beings
it's certainly different, but in the context of terraria it's fairly striking
ashen warren
I think it'd work on the fourth beat if it created a cracking in reality effect and DoG punches through.
Makes sense mechanically since you can only hit the head when he spawns.
teal ibex
oh yeah absolutely, it'd be killer
but now that i've clarified stuff i'm gonna lay down 
cyan lagoon
@craggy cave this was done because the light it gave out was way too strong
Puts literally every other light pet into shame since its wisp pet but better in every way
It still works underwater though so you have that still
ashen warren
It outclassed a far higher tier item which was dumdum.
late shale
what if it worked really well underwater? but was more like a shadow orb level of light, if out of liquids?
craggy cave
Well yeah, but now it's ONLY usable underwater.
cyan lagoon
It is definitely not returning to prenerf status
But maybe it could atleast give off a bit of light
Not a whole lot, but probably weaker or on the same level as shadow orb
craggy cave
It seems like changing the light output would be better than making it work under only certain conditions.
late shale
I feel if it had the amount of light shadow orb gives off, it won't be so bad, since.. shadow orb is bad
craggy cave
I agree. I'm not asking that it gives off wisp level light, I just want my favorite light pet to be worth having again.
worthy fiber
@sinful steeple Pretty sure you can submit those kinds of sprites on the art server
sinful steeple
I was just suggesting what the jellies would look like if it were to be created
real parrot
it would help to add a "why" to your suggestion tbh
i.e. why should this ore be added to the mod, what's its purpose, etc.
ashen warren
Unobtanium is a lazy writing tactic.
Super lazy.
leaden swift
a highly desirable material that is hypothetical, scientifically impossible, extremely rare, costly, or fictional, or has some of these properties in combination.
@real parrot ceaseless void is a void rift being contained right
real parrot
pretty much yeah
real parrot
a tear in the dimension contained by magicks or something
leaden swift
so destroying ceaseless void will free the rift and generate dark energy
ashen warren
It's far more likely imo that it would create some form of antimatter than would obliterate matter on touch.
Cancelling each other out.
Not exactly weaponizable for anything but a trap, that gets you 0 loot.
civic rampart
Nay the void collapsed on itself
sinful steeple
In the lore Calamitas was wrong and killing CV did nothing, according to Amidias at least
leaden swift
unob teleports matter to the void
ashen warren
Not wrong.
"According to Calamitas’ research, one of two events will occur if its casing is ever compromised: either reality will force the void to collapse and annihilate itself, or it will spill out and spread without end - reducing the entire universe to waste scattered in the abyss between dimensions."
sinful steeple
I swore Amidias says he guesses Calamitas was wrong after you kill DoG
civic rampart
In fiction, engineering, and thought experiments, unobtainium is any fictional, extremely rare, costly, or impossible material, or device needed to fulfill a given design for a given application. The properties of any particular unobtainium depend on the intended use.
According to wikipedia
leaden swift
lazy made unobtanium in my own image
civic rampart
That was a lazy suggestion, but the devs probably wouldn't create a weapon theme based on a certain miniboss cnidrion weaps when
sinful steeple
Unobtainium is actually a real fictional material
worthy fiber
"real fictional"
sinful steeple
...
ashen warren
sinful steeple
I mean it exists in fiction
civic rampart
real fictional
real parrot
like i said earlier
civic rampart
According to lore, it did
ashen warren
Smh do you read?
sinful steeple
Like it is a thing, something like yeetonium isn't a fictional material, it doesn't exist
real parrot
CV was created because DoG created a tear in this dimension
and it needed to be fixed
ashen warren
"reality will force the void to collapse"
real parrot
thus the shell that is CV was formed around it
civic rampart
I bet yeetonium is going to be a thing in the near future
ashen warren
Macaroni, it's a trope.
A commonly used writing tactic.
Some people find using tropes without doing anything with them lazy, like me.
leaden swift
void is endless nothingness its between universes
i dont get it at reality forcing the void to collapse
ashen warren
Imagine a bubble with nothing, truly nothing in it.
What will happen to that nothing since it's now a vaccum?
It will disappear, just like that.
Water will be left behind, but that's it.
holy fuck that format
dusty stirrup
civic rampart
Also if you think of the name, unobtainium is made of "unobtain" and "-nium" which kinda means an unobtainable material
ashen warren
That's the general idea behind the trope.
It means they don't gotta explain shit.
civic rampart
Lazy ideas
leaden swift
what if alternate realities
leaden swift
im getting mind blocked
ashen warren
civic rampart
You are a player able to tranverse worlds, you are ald similar to dog that you can go to alternate realities
dusty stirrup
ngl I feel like having Ceaseless void spawn anothe ore tier would be weird af
Consider it's closer to a miniboss than a full fledged boss
On top of that, post-ml is a bit crowded already in terms of tiers
ashen warren
dusty stirrup
Might as well make the weapons direct drop from void
civic rampart
It's a miniboss/cool-down boss that it's easier than fully-fledged bosses but still a boss
dusty stirrup
Why would you leave out the other two sentinels for void
civic rampart
And fabsol probably has the whole post ml content kinda planned out
arctic wren
sleek wadi
@dense oriole Astral solution is already a thing. You get it from steampunker in an astral biome
dense oriole
OH REALLY???????????
ashen warren
Isn't it sold anywhere?
quiet abyss
!wiki astral solution
red stormBOT
quiet abyss
^
dense oriole
I can't find about it's information in any video, and any in-game
ashen warren
Seems it was changed rip.
dense oriole
so i really didn't know that
radiant meadow
@errant laurel the healer already has scaling in how many guardians are active
if you give it more scaling on top of that, it can end up to something that leans towards an overpowered accessory with unneccessary amounts of healing
also, as it stands, you are directly healed and don't have to grab any special orbs or anything
ashen warren
@quiet abyss
quiet abyss
@keen bobcat No joke suggestions allowed
keen bobcat
Ah, good to know? Won't happen again.
quiet abyss
Wrong channel to be discussing about this, buddy.
Go to #other-mod-talk
karmic iron
Ok
frail mantle
it is indeed possible to change music tracks
afaik Calamity Extra Music is going to have a custom track for the Cultist (unless it's just going to use You Shall Know No More)
cyan lagoon
Doesnt cultist already use a custom track
quick dove
would be nice if we could just
remove the healing sand elemental
and replace it with a cutier stronger superior in every way shape or form earth elemental on the heart of the elements
void kelp
make the earth elemental buff dad
eager ivy
^
fast helm
Daybreak is a good weapon, having a post-DoG upgrade would be pretty nice
ashen warren
That's really vague though, atleast come up with an idea for the weapon tbh
fast helm
God Slayer Inferno exists
So using it for said upgrade would make sense
Considering DoG inflicts God Slayer Inferno
There are also plenty of other fire-type debuffs that Calamity adds
dusty stirrup
but what would that upgrade do specifically
late shale
rapidly shoot spears that latch onto targets, and inflict god slayer inferno debuff, I'd guess
ashen warren
Make Yharim's Crystal usable by players with the name...
Yharim.
dusty stirrup
Meh
gaunt karma
I think the hornet staff and imp staff could use some buffs as literally every other alternative is better. Maybe something like 1.5x-2x increasing fire rate on imps and maybe hornets are half a slot? That kind of makes them a secondary kinda not as good herring staff though. Any thoughts?
Considering theres one pretty decent and one really good summon locked behind desert scourge, who's the second intended boss, which are both more useful than hornet staff which is locked behind the 7th boss which is pretty difficult
sinful steeple
They're obtainable before herring staff
sinful steeple
They shouldn't really be compared, herring staff is the end of pre-hm
sinful steeple
I mean comparable
gaunt karma
i'm trying to think of a change for hornet staff that is more interesting than just "increase damage by x"
so i said having them cost half a slot
but then it just feels like another herring staff that you can get slightly sooner
frail mantle
i had a suggestion a few weeks ago that was making the Hornet Staff occasionally shoot bees when the hive pack is equipped
gaunt karma
while not a terrible idea, that's a whole accessory slot that you're losing
and shooting bees sometimes doesn't really do much, considering how much damage bees do
you could maybe have the hornet and have like 3 bees spawn with it and move around in a swarm, that could be fun
summoner has so few options, so having some of the options actually be good would be nice
rapid pivot
What do you all think about this? Suggestion:Increase the Eye of Cthulhu's dashing speed, and decrease the amount of time it takes for it to change direction on Rev+
Reasoning:It should not be possible, on revengeance mode, to walk in a straight line with hermes boots, and completely defeat a boss's attack pattern.
gaunt karma
sorry do you know what the strategy for
literally any boss i can think of excluding the first three or so
moving in a circle
rapid pivot
Yeah, but that, at least, is a bit harder than holding a button down.
ashen warren
Or sitting on top of a rope tower
ashen warren
You're gonna get the "It's early so it shouldn't be harder reeee" responces
frail mantle
tbh EoC is fine, it can be pretty punishing if you don't play a running sim
gaunt karma
i mean there's not really many other ways, it's not really that easy to dodge
rapid pivot
Yeh, but there's a difference between 'making a boss harder when it's already okay', and 'making a boss harder when you can walk in a straight line to dodge all of its attacks'.
gaunt karma
in death mode try fighting eye without running in a lin
line
it won't go well to say the least
ashen warren
Try turning around
rapid pivot
when it's moving diagonally down, jumping'd work
gaunt karma
then it dashes back up
rapid pivot
just fought the boss right now
that was fairly easy to dodge
Maybe on Death it could shoot tears at you or something?
death, at least, is a meme mode, the point is for it to be hard
gaunt karma
Spawning more of the little mouth things that it starts with could be a decent idea
rapid pivot
right, hows this, then
Suggestion:Give the EoC an attack that lets it shoot tears, so that you can't dodge all of its attacks just by running in one direction.
Reasoning:Shouldn't be that easy on rev/death.
rustic ember
EoC shoots cursed flames
gaunt karma
delete this
normal flames, kinda like flarebolt? that could spice it up just enough without being too anying
annoying
at the end of every dodge shoots a flarebolt towards the player
rapid pivot
Nah, tears. Could inflict temporal sadness, or a weakened version of it.
real parrot
i like the EoC tear suggestion ngl
after all, he is giant eye
plus him having some projectiles could spice up the fight
since it's essentially just a running simulator 
ashen warren
Good for exercise tho
ashen warren
King slime projectiles lol
I mean, the DS gets projectiles iirc, so it wouldn't be too overwhelming.
lost agate
Because DS is slow af and cant reach you
Eoc is fast af
So it evens out
Giving him projectiles would be brutal
rapid pivot
But he's not faster than a person running.
rapid pivot
Well, why not make him better at aiming?
On rev+, the difficulty should be somewhat higher.
lost agate
Because if he gets better at aiming then he would be brutally hard
devout seal
EOC shouldn't have projectiles
lost agate
Rn eoc is ok
Not everyone makes a long af arena
Actually that long arena could be considered a cheese?
foggy plover
not really
lost agate
I mean, he cant hurt you
ashen warren
You'll have to turn eventually man
lost agate
Not if the arena is long enough @ashen warren
ashen warren
I did say eventually
foggy plover
If you put in the time to make the arena it is worth it for one of the first bosses you fight
rapid pivot
What about on Death, then?
foggy plover
it shouldn't be insanely hard
rapid pivot
Death has insane difficulty as a gimmick.
foggy plover
honestly I think thats how the fight should be in the first place, the first phase is just boring
ashen warren
Yeah, the SOC it spawns are next to useless
lost agate
And as said on the pins, we dont need to buff bosses that are meant to be easy
ashen warren
That's why it's pretty much cut out on higher difficulties
lost agate
We cant buff cryo because hes an introductory boss to hm
Same goes to profaned guardians
devout seal
The profaned guardians are bullshit, what are you talking about
foggy plover
^^
lost agate
?
foggy plover
they aint like cryo unlocking gear to help you through
lost agate
You can beat them by running
foggy plover
they're just a waste of time and resources
lost agate
And elemental weapons shred them
foggy plover
gotta farm spawners
devout seal
Even with best dash you can get by that time, the last one you fight just sits ontop of you and constantly hits you
foggy plover
I mean I guess cryo isnt a miniboss of sorts
lost agate
Theres a unconsumable summoner now @foggy plover
foggy plover
so you are right
devout seal
unless you're melee, and have the solar shield dash
lost agate
@devout seal you can just run to stay far away, and if he gets close, get above them
Simple as that
foggy plover
was that just added w sunken sea shucks?
lost agate
I think?
foggy plover
cuz that was sorely needed
devout seal
It's been in for awhile, but the unconsumable prov spawn was moved back to pre-providence
now, you just have to beat the guardians once
foggy plover
honestly I would have been fine if they even dropped 2 spawners
but that fixes the more annoying part of post ml
lost agate
And provi got more fun so win-win
foggy plover
the guardians were annoying too
lost agate
Yeah
It looked like the guardians were the main danger before
Now its actually provi
foggy plover
yeh, the invincibilty was a bit much
I liked back a while ago when the guardians kept spawning as she took damage
made it more of your choice to kill them
lost agate
Now you only have one wave of guardians and killing them is optional 
Tho, on death the healer heals way too much
foggy plover
yeah, 7 k is a lot
lost agate
Its hard to do more dps than what it heals 
lost agate
The other ones can be an annoyance to dodge but you could ignore them yes
foggy plover
honestly provi is probably my favorite boss
foggy plover
whats your favorite then?
lost agate
Hive mind
But anyway, eoc is fine as it is now
Projectiles could just get cheap hits
ashen warren
How so?
lost agate
Jump to avoid a projectile just to get eaten on midair
foggy plover
hive mind is probably my second, but only in death mode, and back on topi yeh EOC doesn't really need a buff
lost agate
Thats very likely to happen
foggy plover
if you put in the time you get rewarded with an easy victory
(I dont normally put in the time)
lost agate
Yeah
Its those kind of bosses where the better the arena is, the easier it is
Have a shitty arena and eoc will be hell
quick dove
why buff an beginner boss that was meant to be easy
foggy plover
for many bosses if you make a good arena the boss is much easier
plantera for example
lost agate
Or ceaseless void
foggy plover
^
ashen warren
Polterghast
lost agate
Yeah kinda
tired haven
Doggo tbh
foggy plover
and most of hte bosses a good arean doesnt make easy can be just made easier by arenas
ashen warren
Main reason I supported the suggestion was because the first phase is so ech that death skips that
foggy plover
like DOG ^
lost agate
Arena less doggo is quite possible
foggy plover
I dont make areans generally
ashen warren
Just harder
tired haven
As well as arena-less all of the bosses above
foggy plover
just a general platform or 3
tired haven
Though polter may be bitch
foggy plover
Im a little too lazy with arenas and bosses
lost agate
Ye
tired haven
For me platform is arena tbh
One of best ones apparently
Because it gives freedom of movement
foggy plover
I use the same house and arena for every playthrough
foggy plover
3 platforms 75 blocks apart
and about 500 wide
I fill in the middle with another platform when I get to DOG
then call it good
ashen warren
Crates
Chlorophyte does regrow, and calamity has pretty much made an instant upgrade in the form of perennial stuff.
eager ivy
it is just so slow imo or does calamity speed it up too?
foggy plover
that is a suggestion I can agree with
eager ivy
oh that sounds even better imo
ashen warren
Dude, edit that in your last suggestion
foggy plover
either that or combine living shards to make it
something along those lines is all good
cause I never use chloro cause of the grind
eager ivy
Only really used it for the mount tbh the drill
lost agate
Wait there is jungle crates?
eager ivy
Yep there are
lost agate
The more you know
eager ivy
and tbh i usually use the solutions mod for chlorophyte solution anyway
foggy plover
growth speed increase of plant dies would be noice
*entire jungle is eaten by chlorophyte
ashen warren
Chlorophyte infection
quick dove
chlorophyte is stupidly boring to get
you need an retarded amount of bars and ore to make anything that comes out of it
''hey wanna make shroomite or spectre lol spend 9 days mining your entire jungle out because the game doesnt give no fuck about your feelings''
real parrot
smh just setup a chlorophyte farm and leave it for 5 days or somethin 
frank stratus
still, way too grindy
ashen warren
Guys, clearly, the best way to get chlorophyte is by using some stupidly overcomplicated item dupe
smh
frank stratus
tru
quick dove
that is way too op
quick dove
heal you fully
post providence, first boss you fight after ML
only 3 minute cooldown
frank stratus
much more interesting than a healing potion though
hot zephyr
how about a potion that increases defense by a ton but slows you down and reduces damage
frank stratus
lol yes
quick dove
turtle potion
frank stratus
tbh that would be potion of the turtle master in minecraft
pliant bone
Definitely not a luigi% pot
frank stratus
make the thing a 10 minute cooldown
ashen warren
3 minutes is quite a long time tbh, considering that's how long the pml major bossfights last on avg (some shorter too) i'd say that's probably fine
hollow shell
@umbral tendon Wulfrum Pickaxe is faster than Nightmare Pickaxe
even after the nerf
umbral tendon
Really? When I used it I didn't notice a difference between it and a copper pickaxe.
hollow shell
Copper's usetime is 22
Nightmare's usetime is 19
Wulfrum's usetime is 16
Pre-nerf, Wulfrum's usetime was 7
ashen warren
Yeah, it's still fast
eager ivy
so still worth getting?
hollow shell
It's better than Copper.
proven tide
@jade dock That's not something to be covered by the devs, 'cause it applies neither to the mod proper nor the server
vestal elbow
is the wulfrum pick usetime with or without the faster mining speed config set to true?
jade dock
brjgmutjc (get an easier name please) which idea?
proven tide
thankfully for everyone alive, it's just a nickname
hollow shell
The adventure maps, Punisher
pale bluff
accidentally pressing enter 
proven tide
saw that
Yes, it has a lot of content, but its content functions in the same manner as the base game, which is significantly harder to puzzle out from a standing start
jade dock
Yes it needs a guide. \
proven tide
Once you have the hang of Terraria Calamity is a pretty simple extension of that
¯_(ツ)_/¯
delicate raft
Calamity adds quotes to NPCs to tell you what to do
jade dock
Newer characters wont know wha to do- there are so many things to get and many are bad, its easier if a guide which told you what items were good and bad, and what if you dont have the hang of it yet?
teal ibex
a guide shouldn't really tell you what items are good or bad
then the "bad" ones get swept under the rug and are never really experienced by players
that being said, progression based stuff like boss orders and the like would be cool
real parrot
a guide is supposed to guide you along, not tell you how to do everything
delicate raft
All weapons are good in their way
teal ibex
but it's not up to the game to tell you what is good and bad, it should be up to your own discretion to experience the game, at least in that regard
real parrot
the experience a player gets while playing the mod is a good guide in and of iteself
jade dock
No- newer players might need advice for easier to use weapons. other will still be used- by more advanced players
proven tide
'There are so many things to get and many are bad'
hollow shell
proven tide
Again, that applies to vanilla just as much
hollow shell
Also, a wiki guide is currently being made which helps with getting started and stuff
proven tide
Tell me, how many times has anyone used a Palm Wood Sword?
teal ibex
the problem is that 90% of players, when told what weapons are best, will exclusively use those weapons
proven tide
Players shouldn't be railroaded onto the optimal setups
teal ibex
it's bad for the design space to discourage weapon usage like that
teal ibex
because you can't have the variety of different weapon types
proven tide
A guide isn't required
hollow shell
(but it exists) :P
jade dock
e there are effective strategies and defective ones, and with calamity's level of difficulty it is important to hae a good one. this means a lot of reasearch, or a giude. also, it is a huge part about bosses. finally, the guide wouldnt be super you have to follow it or die- it could help yo if you have no idea what to do
proven tide
(it does and I use it religiously uwu)
teal ibex
it's subjectively important to have good ones
i hate using best gear, i also hate having things tell me what i should be getting
hence why i love backseating. yay!
real parrot
you're implying that we should have a guide that says "this weapon good, this weapon bad. this armour good, this armour bad"
and that's a horrible idea
teal ibex
i would much rather experience the stuff in the game myself and dictate what's worth using
proven tide
^
teal ibex
which, sometimes, will be suboptimal. a guide would stray me away from that
proven tide
Its existence invalidates the diversity of items
Say you had this guide, as an early-HM summoner
past cape
At most a guide should just say what items exist for a progression tier and that’s it
hollow shell
What kind of guide are we talking about here?
Because there is a guide already
On the wiki. I sent it
Do you mean an in-game guide?
jade dock
no. some weapons are harder to use. besides obviuosly some weapons are better against some bosses and some are bad. finally, for new characters it would show you gear and how to survive wothout dying every 10 seconds
past cape
Also considering what can happen in the future Rogue may need a class guide
proven tide
They shouldn't be coddled and spoonfed the statistically optimal routes
jade dock
Or, it could just show strats
real parrot
Slime God is a great example of why this suggestion would be a bad idea
there are many weapons that you can use: ball o' fugu, lionfish, bee's knees, archerfish, etc.
but to say "oh, only use lionfish" is kinda stupid, even if the other options aren't as good
proven tide
Let them explore it themselves
Again: this is a sandbox, not a hack-and-slash.
You can enjoy the game without defeating a single boss.
ashen warren
I mean, yeah, but also no
jade dock
Then dont say "oh, only use lionfish". that is a straw man argument. Show them multiple good ones. howver, a newer player might think, that, say, the ruby staff is good against lionfish
past cape
I can find Darklight Greatsword as a better melee Weapon for me while Fab uses Trinity or Absolute Zero
jade dock
also, you can sandbox yourself. if you WANT it to be a hack- and- slash, take the guide.
past cape
Ultimately you shouldn’t have to care too much
teal ibex
so here's my question, right
past cape
If it does require so that’s bad
proven tide
I forgo swords altogether and exclusively use spears
teal ibex
if the guide is intended to describe how good any given item is
proven tide
There are no tiers where a spear is in the top three most viable items for melee
teal ibex
aren't you just effectively rewriting the wiki in-game?
jade dock
Besides, as i said, it wouldnt be follow this or die. it helpful IF YOU DINT KNOW WHAT TO DO. if you do, then do what you want to do
real parrot
the main gimmick of terraria's weapon diversity is that a player can go:
"oh wow this weapon is cool! i can use it against this boss!"
then they use the weapon and think "man this weapon sucks! i should use a different one"
your "guide" invalidates the curiosity and experience of trying a wide range of weapons and armours
teal ibex
that's an incredible task to surmount
proven tide
If you don't know what to do, then explore and learn through experience
teal ibex
what is the difference from this guide versus the wiki that would allow it to be reasonable in size and implementation?
real parrot
sure, you're going to have an easier time playing the game but at that point it's just not fun anymore
hollow shell
An in-game guide is unnecessary because the wiki page exists
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Guide:Class_setups
yeah
teal ibex
not necessarily unnecessary, but unrealistic to implement at the very least
proven tide
That way it's not forced upon the player and exists if you don't know what to do
hollow shell
If you wanna be led through the game, don't know what's good and what'd bad, then use that page
proven tide
^
hollow shell
That page is on the wiki's front page
and pinned in #help-advice-read-pins among other guides
jade dock
ITS ONLY IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO. if you do, then you dont use the guide. also, the wiki only shows armour but this guide might, say, link to farms to use and certain weapons might be more effective against certain bosses. again, ITS ONLY IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO
proven tide
... Yes, that's why it's not in-game, but on the wiki.
ashen warren
Calm the caps jesus
proven tide
And the wiki doesn't only show armour.
hollow shell
Yeah lol what?
teal ibex
@jade dock what differentiates the guide from the wiki
proven tide
teal ibex
if your suggestion is to implement descriptors of every item in game for people who are unfamiliar, you're rewriting the wiki
proven tide
This is the wiki's table
hollow shell
That page shows weapons, accessories, and armor
teal ibex
which is an immense and unforgiving task
hollow shell
among buffs and etc
hollow shell
for each class, for each tier
proven tide
There's... whaaaat, eighteen hundred items now?
jade dock
The links to things like farms, to get certain weapons instead of otheres, and to show strategies for bosses. not EVERY weapon, not EVERY strat, just some that work
past cape
No offense but it sounds like you assume we really need to know about which weapons are better and that farms are really important, which I disagree with
teal ibex
ok but anything you don't list gets brushed under the rug by new players
past cape
Also the condescending tone
teal ibex
why would i use other weapons if they're not in the guide?
unless you give equal treatment in this guide's representation, certain weapons will fall to the wayside and never be used by players
jade dock
because you might find you like them, or you are advanced and dont need the guide
real parrot
i'll say it again, for good measure
the main gimmick of terraria's wide range of weaponry and armours is experiementation
take that away and the game becomes a super boring hack-and-slash
teal ibex
ok but if there is a guide, players are going to use it
ashen warren
In game, you mean?
proven tide
Alright can we all just hhooooold up
ashen warren
Bc the wiki thingu exists already
teal ibex
people are not going to see the guide's representation of all the good strategies and try other things. they're going to rely on it.
wooden wigeon
aren't laser guns entirely mage?
hollow shell
p much
proven tide
We're talking past each other here so can someone please just make a masterpost addressing all of his points
jade dock
Ok. How about this. what if you have NO idea what to do?
proven tide
Then don't play modded.
ashen warren
You talk to the guide or sea king
teal ibex
then you can access the wiki
wooden wigeon
if you have no idea what you are doing, then play vanilla before downloading mods
proven tide
Explore the game through vanilla first
teal ibex
the problem in the crux of your argument is that you're asking for the guide specifically when people don't know what to do
hollow shell
The vanilla wiki has a Getting Started guide
and numerous pages describing the controls and the UI and etc
and Calamity is getting one soon (hopefully)
teal ibex
but you cannot predict when people will be confused, so unless you randomly selected certain parts and items to not be described, you'd have to write a guide for the entire game's progression and items involved
jade dock
Only for vanilla.
past cape
Also there is Amidias, a minor class guide, and common sense on their side
teal ibex
this is an insurmountable scope of a task, and you'd be left with players who strictly follow the guide and leave unlisted items by the wayside
wooden wigeon
afaik we have a guide for the entire games progression and items involved, the wiki
teal ibex
you can't just make the guide for the parts where people get lost, because people get lost everywhere. you'd need to write the entire game into your guide.
and that's too much time and effort to put into something that, ultimately, already exists in the wiki pages
jade dock
Already did. thats why i started it.
past cape
Also people can talk to NPCs and with new NPC dialogue people have an idea of what stuff they should be checking out
ashen warren
Why is he even suggesting this? The wiki exists, if you need help, go there, or the numerous guide videos if you are unfortunately that clueless.
teal ibex
i mean, it's a good thing to have a game not rely on external sources of information
it's just also too big of a task to be asked for by a relatively small modding team
jade dock
But i already did write it
wooden wigeon
can we see?
proven tide
Oh boy
jade dock
Let me find the link
past cape
ashen warren
Man, don't propose it to a bunch of critics unless you want your feelings to get real hurt
teal ibex
you wrote... the whole guide?
proven tide
This is some real :correlationbetweenfruitandneon: shit
ashen warren
Please be halfway decent
real parrot
even for vanilla terraria, the Guide NPC gives tips for pretty much the entire game
for example, if you haven't broken any shadow orbs yet, he will mention something about the corruption and the shadow orbs
also, the demolitionist will hint about blowing up ebonstone/crimtane
i could go on, but you get the point. there's a lot of helpful tips already in the game.
terraria intentionally doesn't cover topics like weapons and armours, etc. so that the player can experiment of their own free will
jade dock
To who's account?
real parrot
you lmao
ashen warren
Oh boy
jade dock
Its on word
ashen warren
Oh
real parrot
smh you can convert it to google docs
ashen warren
''sad''
jade dock
A COMPLETE GUIDE TO CALAMITY
Mods
(1 is a necessary mod, a 2 is not necessary but you should just get it. Trust me. And a 3 is a convenience of life mod that without it the mod is WAY more annoying.)
Calamity mod
2.
(okay not much. But this list will be long.)
Alchemist NPC LITE:
(Alchemist npc normal is stupidly annoying. It just clutters everything. Besides, the calamity mod is already huge and unless you want this guide to be shortened to ‘Awaken lag spikes. Beat by uninstalling terraria’, get LITE.)
Calamity mod music
(the mod is so large they made 2 separate mods if calamity is crushing your comp. due to lag. But really, it’s not fun without the music.)
3.
(ok so maybe it wasn’t so big. But this one is. I just know it)
Recipe browser
This is self-explanatory
Heroes mod
(I know what you’re thinking. NO. I’ll set up ground rules, so you don’t get Triactises True Paladian Hammer on the first day.)
Free wood mod
(self-explanatory
Boss checklist
(make the hotkey ‘p’)
Begone, evil!
(helps stop evil biomes spreading)
Calamity mod texture pack.
(HUGE, DON’T GETTHIS UNLESS YOU HAVE SPACE TO SPARE AND YOU ARE NOT LAGGING.)
Better night sky
(makes things prettier, unnecessary.)
And finally, Sprint
(makes you go faster, helps remove early- game grind)
proven tide
ashen warren
Uh oh
jade dock
Wait- i need to send multiple things its too big
hollow shell
Don't
proven tide
PLEASE DON'T
teal ibex
don't post in here that's way too much
ashen warren
Stop
real parrot
what the fuck
that's not even a progression guide
ashen warren
jade dock
Ground rules
- Heroes mod:
ONLY the faster building/ mining thing, and ONLY for making arenas, wall of flesh arena, and the world-fill-arena. Basically, I’ll tell you when to use it. - Change the computer's internal clock to Halloween:
It makes life way easier in the start. - Multiplayer:
give 1 player first preference on which tasks they want to do, (i.e. if they would rather mine, build, etc.) another first preference on gear, (i.e. they get the new armour and weapons first) and subsequent players get 1 first on something new that we make up. When you use the preference, move everyone up the line, so the 2 is now 1, 1 is now last, etc. Also note, I won't mention, but REMEMBER TO KEEP MODIFYING YOUR WEAPONS.
I wasted a whole page on filler! Yay! Anyways, now let’s actually write the damn thing.
Chapter 1
Upon Spawning
I’ll rate things easy (so nothing there), normal, hard, harder, insane, the 5 demons and …
Upon spawning, open your free treasure bag. From it, use the defiled rune, a thing which makes rare items drop more, but make wings not work, which doesn’t matter anyways. The bag should give you some loot which will help defend against minor monsters, but no insanely difficult enemies or bosses. Remember to get pumpkins along the way which spawn in Halloween. Your goal here is to enter one of the following...
- Jungle biome entrance (highly risky, high rewards. Look for jungle spores and kill man eaters for a 50% chance at vines. Also kill hornets.)
-
ice biome (medium risk, low chance for high rewards, will probably give nothing.) - normal cave entrances. (very low risk, loot is random. Look for chests, and, IF YOU FIND A COSMIC ELEMENTAL, KILL IT. It probably gives nothing, but you have a chance for a blade, thus ending this search. (5 percent each blade with defiled rune, 0.1 without,) at the following swords (arkhalis, star fury, enchanted sword, bone sword and more...).
real parrot
that's just a list of what mods you think are good
hollow shell
Stop
proven tide
🇸 🇹 🇴 🇵
jade dock
if you entered the jungle, the jungle chests might give something. (if it’s a boom-stick, build a house and wait for the guns dealer to spawn.) You can also kill snatchers and bees and get jungle spores for a jungle weapon. The only worthwhile things to mention in the ice biome is the ice chest weapons and, rarely, the snowball launcher- useful if placed well, enough to end the search if you you’re good enough to kill king slime, EOC and desert scourge with it. In the caves, if you didn’t find/get the loot from a cosmic elemental
wooden wigeon
STOP
proven tide
jesus christ
ashen warren
Get a mods, guys
jade dock
OK fine ill stop
past cape
Alchemist NPC 
proven tide
<@&441719090118131712>
jade dock
but thats the start
wooden wigeon
proven tide
save us
dusty stirrup
What
proven tide
someone was flooding chat with no sign of stopping
He stopped at the last second oof
dusty stirrup
@jade dock If you want to do something like that, I suggest you put up a doc that can change at any time
Instead of flooding chat
teal ibex
also just putting it out there
but a guide written entirely by a single person will have missing information and inherent biases
so you'll need lots of fact checking, revisions, and adjustments to suit the average player, not to mention segmenting its implementation into the mod
frosty kindle
guides cannot always be 100% accurate, there will be inevitable, but subtle flaws.
jade dock
Which why im asking for someone to edit it
ashen warren
Mate, it still has throwing in there
teal ibex
you would need an entire group of people lol
dusty stirrup
That's not really revelant to the topic, deadcutlass
proven tide
eager palm
:(
ashen warren
Vetus, what
hollow shell
uh oh
frosty kindle
i remember the meme guide
proven tide
yikes
dusty stirrup
Are you guys even talking about suggestions anymore
proven tide
I wish spears looked like that 👀
ashen warren
Nah
dusty stirrup
or am I missing something
proven tide
Sort of
ashen warren
I don't even think Punisher is here?
eager palm
(this is the part when you yell high noon and shoot everyone phup)
dusty stirrup
Get back on track or I schut 
wooden wigeon
oh we have a new suggestion to get on track about, upgrade to daybreak
dusty stirrup
Much better than the one line suggestion earlier
ashen warren
Isn't yharon immune to gsi?
dusty stirrup
I think so
hollow shell
Yes
wooden wigeon
do any of the moonlord items have upgrades pre-DoG?
ashen warren
Well that makes the suggestion pointless.
Galactica bladu
Unless you want to inflict stacking demon flames.
C'mon, I'm interested
wooden wigeon
i'd like the upgrade to be at a different point than accessibility to the mourningstar, so it isn't immediately outclassed again
dusty stirrup
Technically you could make the weapon bypass yharon's immunity
dusty stirrup
Ball o' fugu already bypasses immunities
with venom
and Urchin Flail
You can do the same for GSI for that specific wep
signal prairie
I updated the suggestion
signal prairie
I can change it back
ashen warren
That makes the weapon pointless
dusty stirrup
Do that
ashen warren
^
signal prairie
Fixed
wooden wigeon
mushroom nuke still fits summoners focus only on dodging thing, but i'm unsure how that would be since it could be used with normal minions too
ashen warren
Why would a dev need to?
wooden wigeon
for approval?
wooden wigeon
anyways, i guess the important thing is does it consume minion slots while you are charging it
ashen warren
So, it fills then depletes then repeats?
jade dock
Whats the email of this discord?(You need to do that to send it on docs) Also, i decided to give up. if yo dont like the guide idea ignore it it was just an idea please dont kill me.
wooden wigeon
that's not how that works punisher
past cape
Yeah a Summoning Orb would consume a minion slot so you would sacrifice an active minion in exchange for being able to have an active method of direct attack
wooden wigeon
create an invitable link, without permission to edit, then copy/paste the link here
jade dock
Withour? I have a backup and i probably made mistakes
proven tide
^ Let us comment and suggest, but not edit
wooden wigeon
permission to edit is permission to delete
proven tide
^
jade dock
proven tide
but thats bad
hollow shell
There ya go
proven tide
COMPLETE (unfinished)
hollow shell
jade dock
Also I MADE MISTAKES so please edit it. the reason i wrote 'complete' is because it covers the whole mod
ashen warren
Oh wow uh, that writing is very amateurish ngl.
hollow shell
You've gotta set the share mode to Can Comment if you want edits.
It's Can View currently
jade dock
hollow shell
Oh you fool
jade dock
I have backup dont think about it
proven tide
This is just the Calamity equipment guide with some recommended exploration strategies thrown in
jade dock
Thats the pojnt. otherwise, it would be too forced
wot
wooden wigeon
we should also not have them install 3rd party mods in a guide for this one
proven tide
^^^^^^
jade dock
OK bye thats my idea i might be back later
proven tide
yes
dusty stirrup
Also giving them a difficulty rating based on your own experience is a no-no
Since it's pretty subjective
wooden wigeon
also he wrote insane on all of them
ashen warren
Fuckin' woke
proven tide
Alright, I could do this all day, but I'm getting a headache from how ascended his iq is
dusty stirrup
Also uh, why is he asking here exactly? Is he intending for this to be official in some sort of way?
proven tide
I'm going to take my meds and write up a few paragraphs about why this will never happen
wooden wigeon
its related to a suggestion he made
hollow shell
wdym?
proven tide
(Yes)
dusty stirrup
Oh that suggestion?
past cape
AlchemistNPC 
proven tide
He's providing this as an example/basis for the Official Calamity Guide to be put into the game as an item
dusty stirrup
"Also maybe write a small helpful guide for the mod to help new characters that the guide gives."
hollow shell
he did say Lite
dusty stirrup
Personally, I don't feel like that'd be a good thing
wooden wigeon
we had a big discussion in here as to why that was not going to happen, then he said he had wrote one already so we asked to see it
dusty stirrup
Oh well, I won't bother then, since I'm probably just gonna repeat what you guys might have said
proven tide
i'ma go take my meds to focus on writing a final wall of text summarising the Supreme™ counterargument
dusty stirrup
cya
proven tide
aight I'm back with medication and muesli
void kelp
no offense, but I feel that that guy’s suggestions are better off for outside of calamity, like as their own mod or some other project entirely
proven tide
regardless of the issues with this suggestion, we gotta give him props for something
"Alchemist npc normal is stupidly annoying. It just clutters everything. Besides, the calamity mod is already huge and unless you want this guide to be shortened to ‘Awaken lag spikes. Beat by uninstalling terraria’, get LITE."
void kelp
effort?
proven tide
made me kek
hollow shell
by the way @umbral tendon after further research I found that you are correct.
The block-breaking speed of Wulfrum is the exact same as Copper (if not slightly slower)
and, funnily enough, Nightmare as well
Nightmare of course does it faster due to higher pickaxe power
but Molten is slower than the three of em
The numbers I listed before were just their swing animations
Their internal speeds are all 16 (or 15 as displayed on the wiki)
Molten's is 19 (or 18)
proven tide
hang on
hollow shell
@exotic flower Wrong wiki
proven tide
Nah, the suggestion's pretty simple
hollow shell
I would rather not have that kind of beating-around-the-bush passive-aggressive whatever
and explain exactly what's wrong
exotic flower
ok
proven tide
yeah it's a shitty medium
dusty stirrup
Also get a better image
dusty stirrup
Ye
wooden wigeon
he has slanted gray walls, which say should spawn hell armored bones and diabolist, but in the picture he has blue armored and a skeleton commando
hollow shell
Well I guess you can keep just the image of the Blue Armored Bones spawning on the Green Tiled Walls
But only that
exotic flower
happy?
dusty stirrup
That's better, yes
hollow shell
Yes
delicate raft
Understandable
hollow shell
Thank you 👍
ashen warren
That suggestion would work except WMITF shows that unsafe dungeon walls aren't modded.
exotic flower
what is wmitf
ashen warren
What Mod Is This From.
quick dove
what mod is this from
ashen warren
You can check with the mod if you like, I don't have calamity enabled atm.
If it's actually modded feel free to say "you smell like a dungeon" or something.
hollow shell
The "Unsafe Wall" items are definitely Calamity items
Right there in the source
Not sure why WMITF is buggin out on em
hollow shell
Keep in mind, the walls that the items place are vanilla walls
so
maybe
Keep it anyway, though.
delicate raft
what the
exotic flower
when you break the wall it comes back as vanilla
but either way it should be something that the mod can fix
exotic flower
yes
exotic flower
but it still should be something that the mod can fix
hollow shell
I think we could, yes
But if it is the case
That would mean that the vanilla wiki is wrong
Green Tiled walls spawn Brick wall enemies
ashen warren
That's not exactly new tbh.
exotic flower
i tested slab first because i was sad
ashen warren
OOA armor
exotic flower
i wanted snipers
hollow shell
Snipers can spawn in green dungeons?
exotic flower
it'd be a pretty big oversight of the vanilla wiki if they couldnt
hollow shell
But not in front of the Slab walls that you placed down yourself?
exotic flower
yes
hollow shell
That does not make sense
exotic flower
i have a hunch as to why the mod does that
but id have to see the actual code to be sure
hollow shell
The Calamity unsafe green slab item literally places the same WallID as the natural one
exotic flower
yes
exotic flower
im guessing that the vanilla mod has specific regions that are designated as part of the dungeon and the regions have the spawn rates, not the specific walls
and the mod creator thought it was the walls that did that
hollow shell
That would suck but that also might be the reason
Everybody thought it was the walls that did that
exotic flower
and all of the walls only make an area give off brick wall spawns
and the mod creator didnt know that
hollow shell
It would go totally undiscovered in vanilla, too
Because you can never move the walls
dusty stirrup
So wait, did you try placing the walls in an area with the walls that spawns snipers?
ashen warren
Even more spaghett?
dusty stirrup
jolly kettle
hollow shell
@hearty yew Do you have any knowledge on this subject
Has there been reports of the placed Dungeon walls spawning enemies inconsistent with their type?
As in, as the main enemies
Not the occasional defiler because those are intended
exotic flower
ill look and see if I can find any
ashen warren
You know, I never noticed it that much but I always have far more blue skellingtons.
This might actually be a thing.
hollow shell
That could also be because Dungeon Brick blocks always have Brick Walls behind them as default
so any modification/expansion to the Dungeon would result in blueboys
such as making arenas
exotic flower
do they really? if you break one with your pick, they dont have anything else
maybe I can place walls behind the blocks themselves
hollow shell
As far as I'm aware, yes they're always Brick behind the blocks
exotic flower
i mean when placed
like when you pick up a dungeon block and place it down elsewhere
does it count as a brick wall
hollow shell
No, I meant in natural generation.
exotic flower
ok that doesnt affect my test then
my artificial dungeon isnt in the dungeon itself
hearty yew
@hollow shell You are correct. The abundance of one third of the Dungeon enemies (the Necromancer set) is because EVERY dungeon has the default Brick type behind its solid walls.
exotic flower
w
so even if I pick up a block and place it down, it still counts as a brick background wall?
hollow shell
exotic flower
clothier sells dungeon wall unsafe
hollow shell
We add an item which allows you to place the natural Dungeon walls
hearty yew
yet, when placed, they don't count for the right type, despite being the right tile?
it places the vanilla unsafe walls right?
hollow shell
but for some god-forsaken reason, they aren't spawning the correct enemy types for what they appear to be
Apparently
Yes, it places the actual vanilla walls
hearty yew
it's an Item which Places a vanilla placeable tile
...
that's redcode then dude
i'm sorry
ashen warren
"im guessing that the vanilla mod has specific regions that are designated as part of the dungeon and the regions have the spawn rates, not the specific walls"
hearty yew
yeah, that's redcode.
exotic flower
and the placeable walls add to the specific regions
but the mod only adds one region, not all three
from what I can tell
hollow shell
Well, not the mod technically
exotic flower
Kinda yeah
hollow shell
We don't do anything other than let you place the vanilla walls
That's vanilla behavior
exotic flower
so the vanilla walls, during world creation, add brick spawn zones, no matter what kind of wall it is, and then later in world creation, the other spawn zones are assigned?
hollow shell
Que?
exotic flower
like in world creation
in vanilla
it places random walls that all give the same kind of spawn rates
but then later in world creation, a code is run that checks what kind of wall is in a certain place, and then changes the spawn rates based on the wall type
but anyway
i might have fixed it
definitely fixed it
hollow shell
I'd have no way of confirming nor denying
I do have Terraria's source but god help me if I wanted to try and read it
exotic flower
no need
its based on walls
no spawn zones
but i have discovered that blocks count as walls
if there are no walls behind a block, then it counts as a brick wall, because there are no dungeon slab or tile blocks, only brick blocks
i simply placed walls behind those blocks, and then deleted my suggestion
hollow shell
And you've got Snipers now?
ashen warren
That
exotic flower
ive got hell armored bones tho
ashen warren
Is obnoxious*
exotic flower
and i need to make more zen potions
hollow shell
I- hmm
Well at least you solved it
ashen warren
Might wanna clarify that in the wiki guide maybe idk.
exotic flower
yeah new suggestion
hollow shell
I can just add that
exotic flower
brb
hollow shell
don't worry
exotic flower
ok
just something like
"Be aware that you must place walls behind dungeon blocks as well in order to spawn a certain enemy type
or something like that idk
proven tide
@tired heron Perhaps have it on the same day as the full moon?
hollow shell
(why?)
tired heron
idk, just for fun I guess 😄
hollow shell
Yeah I like the suggestion, was askin Vetus
tired heron
that would make new player question themsleves and then find out what it is all about
proven tide
Ah
eager ivy
i kinda like the providence idea
proven tide
Well, the sun's probably brightest when the fire goddess's light is shining through, and the moon is brightest when full, so ehhhhh??
convenient timing is all, really
hollow shell
That's not how full moons work 
tired heron
muhahaha
exotic flower
yay i got snipers
hollow shell
I added a Note to the page, btw
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Dungeon_Wall_Unsafe
2nd one
Is it accurate?
real parrot
recent suggestion is kinda meh
