Imps suck if there's water involved tho
#suggestions-discussion
queen delta
Thanks to calamity's fishing accessory, i can just set a macro that clicks every 3 seconds and 1 second to automatically fish for me
Yeah the abyss is one drawback
ashen warren
set a macro
queen delta
But most times I just swoop in and raid as much as I can till i die
fresh harbor
Setting a macro takes more effort than I ever spent actually fishing 
But off topic police is here
queen delta
it took a bit of time but after that, i was able to spend many hours on my phone instead of fishing
like 20 minutes with some errors, but worth it at the end
fresh harbor
Tbh I really like the idea of blood clot floating above and shooting projectiles
It reminds me of the actual perforators hive
queen delta
Never thought of it that way, I just thought of how blood clots would work that wouldnt be the same as dank staff or seabound staff, and came up with this
But yeah it would be very cool
ashen warren
Paladin's shield effect is a downside?
It means that the melee person with high DR, defense and health can shield a squishier mage or summoner.
sharp turtle
yeah, except for when you're playing literally anyone except melee
especially given that the rampart is also useful for mage aswell
ashen warren
It works for anyone you stack DR and def on.
sharp turtle
personally i value my health pool
i don't want to be punished for my ally's mistakes
:L
sharp turtle
why not all?
ashen warren
Nebulous core better.
sharp turtle
i would NOT say that the nebulous core is better than the rampart of deities
the only real strong part of the nebulous core is the nebula stars
earnest raptor
gusty geode
Helping your friends is a downside?
You're basically taking hits for them, and given how many hits you can take as a melee user the class you should be if you're using the Paladin's Shield I think you can afford to take a few more if it means your teammates last a bit longer when dishing out damage
ashen warren
Thing is, you're less likely to be able to tank said hits if you're not playing melee. Which is what trailmix wanted to use.
@gentle chasm no
ruby cobalt
@elder mist 
ashen warren
civic rampart
The meme channel was taken away cos too hard to moderate from what I heard
elder mist
No it's not that it was too hard to moderate.
People were just quite literally toxic shitfaces.
We can't necessarily put rules to prevent people from saying "i don't like this" "fuck you" etc.
civic rampart
I thought this community was decent well at least it's still better than undertale's
elder mist
Oh it is. Well, a lot better than a year ago, that's for sure.
Because the staff in a general sense have been less aggressive and/or less lazy to punish aggessiveness, the overall atmosphere's improved over the past year.
gentle chasm
so maybe it might work this time
elder mist
...No, no it still wouldn't.
ruby cobalt
No.
gentle chasm
ok i get it my suggestion yet another terrible suggestion.
ruby cobalt
If your thirst for memes is unquenched then go to subreddit or thorium's discord, or some shit.
gentle chasm
the heck is soa
ruby cobalt
Shadows of Abaddon.
elder mist
SacredTools' new name.
elder mist
No, because that doesn't inherently break any rules.
faint rivet
rich inlet
Phew
This suggestion took long to make
Even if it doesn’t go in the mod I’ll still be proud that I had such idea and did something about it
ashen warren
Isn't there the clam summon?
Will it give summon slots for the 3rd summon since it's pretty useless with no extra damage or crit chance
rich inlet
Had that in my note book but forgot to add it
ashen warren
Ghost Bell summon?
'S gonna be a star from me
rich inlet
But why separating them tho
cyan lagoon
True Shadow Scales mean at a first glance that they're better than the vanilla Shadow Scales...
...when instead they are entirely different from one another
And plus, what is "True" supposed to mean anyway?
ashen warren
"I'm lazy and want an item to seem cool" - the word
True Terra Edge EX of the Elements
shit, i don't have nitro so I can't :ech:
rich inlet
if that’s the case just commit this weapon
ashen warren
Apoth is wack
That's too small for me to read xd
Click on it.
Still too small
Get new eyes.
Nah, you get new eyes
past mesa
@frail mantle i like your idea but at the same time thats the case for a bunch of sub classes
gunslingers dont have an exo or even post phase 1 gun to use
@tranquil goblet would you mind like explaining more what you mean by buff scal and why
frail mantle
"buff the literal superboss that can oneshot you with glass cannon gear if you're playing on the highest difficulty"
also you're forgetting that the Onyxia exists
past mesa
thats a dev weapon iirc
past mesa
nvm
frail mantle
past mesa
does it work for scal tho
frail mantle
don't know, but it works for Yhartwo, at least
past mesa
lemme think of some more sub classes, melee thrower maybe?
frail mantle
yes
quiet abyss
@tranquil goblet First of all, that text format is rather ouch to read, don't use unnecessary capital letters.
Second of all, there will not be any deathmode-exclusive drops other than the current cosmetic drops we have rn, same for defiled.
Third, death scal is already difficult as it is and there's no need for her to be even harder.
And finally, please elaborate more on your suggestion.
"More things for supreme calamitas" is vague and doesn't give us many ideas on how to work with your suggestion.
past mesa
yeah lets make the bullethell superboss that deleted your hp in 2 hits more challenging
rich inlet
Note: can’t actually delete me in 2 hits cuz I tank 3 hits with 1015 Hp
Technically the worst damage scal can deal is around 450 in the first bullet hell but whatever
past mesa
omg yes
past mesa
alright
rich inlet
I wanna talk about my suggestion but there’s so little ppl rn
quiet abyss
...Oh, the eevee guy left the server
lost agate
Uh ok
faint rivet
Welp
rich inlet
quiet abyss
Welp, looks like they're one of those dudes that left the server the moment their (typically bad) suggestions get questioned.
Nothing to see here y'all, let's move on.
rich inlet
I enhanced my sprite a lil bit but I think I’m not gonna repost
I’m prob blind for seeing it looking like brand of the inferno
ashen warren
Best suggestion: Readd Ocram
past mesa
i mean it looks a bit like it in shape but otherwise nah
hollow shell
rich inlet
All yoyos should fire their projs at the dummies so that ppl won’t hate/dislike yoyos so much
foggy plover
Alright, since there is a problem with yoyos, how about a yoyo upgrade to obliterator at darksun tier that fires off miny devourer heads like the scourge of the cosmos?
rich inlet
Mini dog heads
I smell apoth but not apoth at the same time
But uhh that proj from scourge of the cosmos is not enough
foggy plover
I mean the same ones as the sotc, and they also home
its just an idea, there needs to be 2 yoyos, one darksun and one auric
frail mantle
it doesn't need to if the darksun one is good enough to work for SCal too
foggy plover
true
frail mantle
actually, what if the Shadow of Sol gets increased damage post-Yhartwo so it can be viable for SCal too?
foggy plover
that would be a little strange, but would work
most things that scale dont scale at just one point
foggy plover
I mean sure, why not
rich inlet
Yoyo is not a specific class so not all yoyos need to be viable
Just like spears for melee/disks for rogue
foggy plover
How about a yharon yoyo that shoots fire waves in patterns around it and leaves behind the dragon dust like the yharims gift behind it
(ive been here a while, mostly to check updates, but this is my first time talking)
rich inlet
Yoyo sprites seems easy to make
I was gonna try making one today but yoyo sprites are getting more and more complex in mods
foggy plover
the third dimension probably isnt but the basic yoyo probably is
rich inlet
Third dimension is rather easy compared to yoyo itself especially when you try to make it unique looking
foggy plover
lol is that voltaic climax as a tome 😛
rich inlet
Ye, I did that just bc I love volt so much
foggy plover
looks pretty good, tho in my opinion a tome will never be as cool as a staff
Alright suggestion for an auric yoyo,
similar to the azathoth except with really low range, shoots out bubbles that fire lasers at your cursor rather than enemies
also fires teh bubbles at much lower rate
low range is to make it easier to use since it fires lasers at cursor
ashen warren
Exo-yo
past mesa
exodia obliterate
rich inlet
Low range + long range projectile makes it kinda xenopopper V2 ngl
foggy plover
very true
these are mostly just things to get ideas flowing, you know things that come to mind and you just put down
ashen warren
There's already an exo yoyo patron item
lost agate
smh leaks
foggy plover
lol noice
faint rivet
Nam 
ashen warren
foggy plover
Ive always thought some sort of summoner weapon that was from astrum deus that spawned the astral mines around you (the ones spawned during the fight) that you could leave behind, shoot at enemies, or something similar
the mines rotating around the worm always seemed like an interesting concept to me
faint rivet
Honestly I wish summoner had more diversity for Hardmode
foggy plover
same
though granted it isnt very diverse anywhere else anyways, though post ml is, there still isnt many options
faint rivet
6 post-ML, 3 in Hardmode 
foggy plover
most of hm u get the good weapon of the tier and use it for a while then upgrade
the same way with most classes though
faint rivet
Yeah but Summoner is just sad, Claspers for all mechs and their alts, and Clone (tbh why is the AS summon wep so bad) and then Vigil until Dragon
foggy plover
I just got an idea
so you know the weird fire enemies in hell, that drop chaos essence
and dash into you through walls
what about that as a summon that drops from it
faint rivet
You mean the scysomething dudes?
ashen warren
Heat spirits.
rich inlet
These enemies are the ones that dashes at you before you mirror after wof fight
foggy plover
heat spirits ya
faint rivet
Eeeh
rich inlet
What about scal dropping a summoner weapon that summons those moons in the fight
foggy plover
that would be cool as well, tho would they still be slow just have insane range and sit on enemies?
deal loads of damager in large range like the wand kinda
(just as a ball)
queen delta
Nah they would grow arms and start punching all enemies to death while their head spins
foggy plover
lol that would be funny
foggy plover
alright so for my astrum deus mine idea
rich inlet
foggy plover
how bout it summons a worm around yo
rich inlet
Noice
foggy plover
it rotates around the player and spits out mines that form a pattern around the player
the miens blow up when they hit an enemy
and you press a button to shoot the miens at your cursor
blow up if they hit an enemy, and stay in place if they dont
void kelp
imagine a giant fucking moon following your player around
foggy plover
and act like the mines during the worm fight
ashen warren
press a button to shoot the miens at your cursor
Summoner is about indirect gameplay, that's a mage weapon.
foggy plover
just summons the entire scal fight but it is a summoner weapon instead
every projectile hurts enemies
even just the worm rotating around and doing mine patterns around you
they blow when they hit an enemy like if the enemy charges you
they go through the mines and blow up
queen delta
Even better, just rain so much projectiles that it’ll lag any gamer PC because why not
foggy plover
you would end up looking like the worm with the mines around it
if you know what I mean
queen delta
And i dont think calamity would wanna experiment with worm summons because of... the mechworm
ashen warren
the mechworm,
queen delta
shudders
foggy plover
it wouldnt be anything like that
it wouldnt have to be a worm
would be similar to an explosive shield
not even offensive
meh I suck at explaining stuff
delicate vector
Could just be something cosmetic following you and dropping mines as you run and dodge that would blow up in your enemies' face?
foggy plover
yes, something like that
lol how about a DOG weapon that summons 4 laser walls (small ones) that move inwards in a box formation onto your cursor
delicate vector
Tbh mine one seems more like an accessory concept to me
foggy plover
thats actually a better idea
ashen warren
Why does this feel too similar to PSA
frail mantle
it's sorta inspired by it, but mostly focused on offensive boosts, while the PSA has some defensive ones too
frail mantle
faint rivet
ashen warren
What about a heavy class that uses hammers and has great defence but takes slowness debuff and has a slow swinging high damage weapon
frail mantle
so a true melee extra tank class that uses war hammers instead of swords
ashen warren
Yea
I mean one could say melee is already a tank but not really because you still have to dodge and have decent movement speed so its not really tanky tbh
civic rampart
Tanks aren't what calamity is looking for, mate
cold terrace
would you believe me if i told you a darksun yoyo has been suggested before
multiple times
frail mantle
fug
ashen warren
I think a tank class would be dope
frail mantle
i tried to make mine a bit unique at least, haven't seen any of the others
cold terrace
tank class = melee
frail mantle
^
void kelp
I really like the true eoc summon
frail mantle
thank
void kelp
it’s like an entropy’s vigil combined w the fungal clump
cold terrace
luminous accessory would be outshined by profaned soul artifact probably
void kelp
definitely but in that inbetween phase?
frail mantle
well the PSA would be available later in progression than the LSA 
ashen warren
PSA is smelly iirc
foggy plover
how about instead of an accessory you make it a sentry?
void kelp
sentries highkey suck especially in bossfights where you’re fighting a boss in a big arena
ashen warren
This is obtainable right after ML right
foggy plover
sentries with fast projectiles are decent
frail mantle
yea
foggy plover
or with a large range/spamming
ashen warren
I'd rather have something I can actually not spam as Summoner tbh 
And especially since the bosses where you'll first use it are mobile as fuck and pretty much forces you to move
sonic quest
has a sentry that heals, gives buffs or restores mana been suggested before? maybe taking the damage dealing approach with sentries is the issue
placid girder
sounds like abuse by other classes to me
foggy plover
most of the things I would want to do with sentries and summoner in general is mroe on the lines of thorium, more active than just summoning it, but that seems fairly unpopular here
fresh harbor
I find it pretty funny whenever a dev posts a suggestion
Also the sentry could give lesser buffs if you're not wearing a summoner set?
So that way it would prevent the abuse somewhat
lucid marsh
What do you guys think of upgrades for the giant clam hardmode weapons crafted with their respective class of leviathan and/or duke fishron weapons? I was considering a gun that is homing but the bullets split into whatever ammo you’re using instead of generic non-homing bullets, and thought an upgrade for the other classes could be cool as well
frail mantle
a summon weapon that summons tornadoes that fires clams that attach themselves to enemies 
cyan lagoon
insert too hard to code argument here
someone could probably do it but not without many many headaches
frail mantle
@short anvil what do you mean "calamity world size isn't compatible"
short anvil
well
my map on terraria the hell is under the map
frail mantle
didn't Calamity worlds get reduced to standard sizes in the Sunken Sea update
lucid marsh
Old calamity worlds no longer work
sonic quest
they work with large world enabler mod iirc
frail mantle
short anvil
your pfp is the new lorde
frail mantle
at least you didn't insist that calamity still messes with world sizes and refuse to accept the fact that it doesn't
lucid marsh
Consider: sharknado that leaves behind clams on hit enemies
frail mantle
lucid marsh
Not that hard to code
short anvil
how about not requiring shadowspec for more valid weapons to beat SCal lol
lucid marsh
Just, the tornadoes attack like starfish minion but go thru blocks, while firing the sharks, and they leave clams on hit
frail mantle
SCal is a superboss, she's meant to be pretty hard
lucid marsh
The sharknados can’t leave more than x clams, and upon defeating attached enemy the clams return to the sharknadoes so they can deal damage to another enemy
frail mantle
sounds like a barracuda gun-sharknado staff combo
cyan lagoon
@echo heath How dark spark is held was intended by the patron
ruby cobalt
That's also how you hold a prism properly.
lucid marsh
Yes. Barracuda gun but several barracudas, being a multiple of your minion slots
frail mantle
maybe like amount of clams=slots x2
fresh harbor
@ashen warren Elaborate on your suggestion
lost agate
Like a lot
sonic quest
wew
fresh harbor
It's literally two words
elder yew
Three
ruby cobalt
So?
unique vector
vanilla doesnt have a mount for every boss either
ashen warren
Litterally adds 2-3x the bosses but not that many mounts and the mounts are also difficult to get by only doing revengence mode
sonic quest
if you want more mounts you should suggest actual mounts, not just say "more mounts" for the record
fresh harbor
Tfw a suggestion only has the bot's and the op's stars
Also yeah, that
You need to suggest specific things
elder yew
Vanilla doesn't flesh out mounts particularly well either
unique vector
mounts difficult to get
only like what, one mount thats death only?
elder yew
You've got the pre-hm ones, which, lets be honest, are mostly novelties
fresh harbor
Like, "here's this mount that does this and that and it's obtained this and that"
unique vector
and last i remember vanilla barely adds mounts either
cyan lagoon
there is no death mounts pixl
ashen warren
Are there only 4 mounts for vanilla 
elder yew
There's more than four
cyan lagoon
1 expert+, 1 rev+
lost agate
So anywho, if ya dont elaborate on it imma need to remove the reactions
elder yew
Lets see, you've got the slime, the bee, the fishron, the ufo, the unicorn, the reindeer, the desert-thing-who's-name-I-can't-remember, the scutlix,
cyan lagoon
the basilisk
elder yew
That's the desert thing, thanks
ashen warren
Oh damn I forgot alot
elder yew
Says a lot about how useful most mounts are
ashen warren
Im in school rn ill make a more elaborate one later
ruby cobalt
Yes, no, maybe, lol no, yes, nobody gets it, why lmao, why lmao 2: mount boogaloo
And then there's DCU which is solely for building.
fresh harbor
Relevant mounts are slime, unicorn, fishron, ufo and drill
elder yew
Until you fall and die/they despawn when you fall
fresh harbor
Yes hop on EoC until you're at space
I genuinely love doing that
unique vector
@cyan lagoon proves my point further tbh
ashen warren
But u dont take fall damage from jumping on enemies
elder yew
It's super fun to do that but a shame he despawns so easily
elder yew
Farming plantera sucks in vanilla since you need to build a new arena each time you fight, or kite to your old arena, and they despawn if they're offscreen for more than five seconds
ashen warren
Lol just make an infinity arena with teleporters
lost agate
You basically have to walk plant to your arena like a dog
ashen warren
And use chloro bullets
lost agate
"cmere, good boy, over here, NO NOT THAT WAY"
elder yew
Seriously
ashen warren
Not rlly they home in and work better in closed areas i perfer them anywhats...
elder yew
I usually just go for crystal bullets
cyan lagoon
they home in...
elder yew
chloro bullets
cyan lagoon
...on the tentacles
elder yew
closed areas
cyan lagoon
and since theres fifty million of them in phase two plantera is essentially guarded by meatshields on all angles
lost agate
You can still kinda sneak shot through
ashen warren
Not if ur arena is 3 blocks tall then the tenticals r in the wall and if u shoot fast enuff it roesnt matter
elder yew
Still easier to just use another kind of bullet though
lost agate
Tho that relies heavily on the gun dmg
elder yew
especially with the homing bullet nerfs in calamity
elder kestrel
@echo heath it's supposed to be held like that, it's how prisms are used irl, and how it should be
cyan lagoon
then why bother using chloro bullets then
ashen warren
Wait nerfs?
elder yew
Homing bullets reduce a gun's damage by, what, 40%?
elder kestrel
fab already mentioned it before, too
elder mist
I can't believe fab is dead inside
lost agate
Except dark prism does it like backwards
elder yew
Chlorophyte bullets deal 20% less damage to everything, taking into account a gun's base damage
ashen warren
Damn
foggy plover
Alright, we got the cryogenic staff, speeding up and spamming projectiles around it. So we add a post-providence upgrade that summons a mini providence in her cocoon phase, which fires out immunity frame ignoring flames all around it, slowly firing more in the same fashion as the cryogenic staff
The staff is an interesting concept, and really good if used right
novel pebble
"Add more enemies" That sounds a little bit plain, don't you think?
ashen warren
Yo that's pretty vague, at least give specific suggestions for crimson/corruption enemies
rapid sorrel
Right so
I just think that having that, compared to all the stuff the mod adds, that the corruption/crimson is a little bare
I can’t make good ideas so I didn’t bother with any enemy ideas
Just a little suggestion, don’t think much of it
fresh harbor
Then shouldn't you ask here something like "Hey, don't yall think the evil biomes need new/more enemies?"
And when you have a full suggestion after the discussion, you post it
So it gets more stars and more chance of getting in the game
gusty geode
I realize I'm not supposed to suggest bosses, but from what I've seen it's an unspoken rule among content mods for every new biome to have its own boss, and the Sunken Sea currently doesn't Abyss also doesn't have a true boss but it makes up for it with several mini-bosses that could qualify as actual bosses
delicate raft
vestal elbow
Giant Enemy Clam is its boss 
gusty geode
I mean, I guess?
Doesn't have the feel of a boss the way the Abyss mini-bosses do imo
Or maybe it does, I'll admit I haven't gotten the chance to fight it before 
lost agate
Giant clam is a miniboss yes
fresh harbor
Have you fought it prehardmode?
It gets a buff on hardmode
lost agate
On HM he gets a bit complex
acoustic jewel
hardmode clam is a pain in the ass, but it has a good pre cryo armor set if you dont mind the movement speed debuff
lost agate
HM clam needs you to modify the terrain a bit for dodging
acoustic jewel
yeah, i dont like terrain manipulation, its kinda not my thing so fighting it in that cramped ass biome is so annoying
lost agate
Well thats on you
fresh harbor
Sunken seas is 
for movement
lost agate
Pickaxes exist tho
fresh harbor
There could be a larger, open central area, though
I've seen a build of that with a castle in the middle and it looked pretty darn cool
lost agate
Yeah because they mined it
fresh harbor
But that would come with worldgen problems so 
I can already see the "Why didn't my sunken castle spawn?" bug reports
This is more expanding on Brynhildir's suggestion than complaining
I know I can dig my own stuff just fine :P
autumn kiln
@gusty geode unfortunately
Pretty sure that dev items aren't allowed to be used for suggested item recipes.
faint rivet
Yeah pretty sure Dev items are off-limits
ashen warren
Ouch, another DCU upgrade
hearty yew
@warm marlin i agree that the obliterator needs a buff, but i don't want to star your suggestion because I would have to make more yoyos. XD
lost agate
Lol
elder yew
A DCU update would be neat, just remove the crystyl crusher from it
lost agate
Make it a blossom pickaxe or something
elder yew
Maybe put the crusher's ingredients (minus shadowspec bars) in the recipe instead?
gusty geode
Should I add the Drax and Picksaw to the recipe to fit in line with the whole "Exo-tier items require either thinking 20 steps ahead or a world-spanning scavenger hunt" theme?
void kelp
imo yeah since it seems to want to be as complex as other late tier weapons
two alt recipes w pickaxe axe and drax, respectively
quick dove
why not an drill mount that receives upgrades from the gallant and blossom pickaxe so you dont need to boringly mine it with pickaxes
foggy plover
Why not make the drills pick power scale with the highest pickaxe power in the player's inventory?
warm marlin
That's fair enough Ozza, just a suggestion that would be nice for yoyo people
fossil torrent
but like, what’s wrong with energy staff
sinful violet
It’s not the summon they want to add, obv
@winged comet more dyes is a fine idea, but would you mind elaborating a tiny bit? ie what kinds, when in progression
winged comet
dyes to Effigy bosses in expert loot bag
sinful violet
Add it to the actual suggestion so people see it when they vote
quick dove
calamity doesnt add any dye, at all, does it
pale bluff
least likely
fresh harbor
I can only imagine
void kelp
has someone suggested a post-pbg upgrade to the hornet staff to summon a mini plaguebringer
ashen warren
Probably, but that was a while ago
void kelp
oh yeah it was suggested before i t appears
ashen warren
He's looked different for like, half a year or something.
fast helm
I didn't realize
oops
runic mesa
we need an exo yoyo or a yharon drop yoyo
id rather the yharon drop, b/c exo stuff is kind of overdone imo.
void river
i've seen at least 4 different instances of an Exo yoyo being suggested
at least the Eclipse was a creative name 
runic mesa
Flare-yo
Yharon drop yoyo:
On hit, creates a small flarenado (player size) that lasts 10 seconds max. 2 can be out at a time, and if a 3rd would appear, it destroys the oldest one
is this a good base suggestion?
void kelp
it means it should happen eventually if it’s a common idea maybe
runic mesa
it would only be player sized tho
void river
i'm surprised no one has made an Exo yo-yo suggestion thats made by crafting the
verdant, obliterator, lacerator, and solarflare/The Eclipse
radiant meadow
you know that exo weapon material weapons don't have to be all post ml weapons, right?
iirc, most are actually pre ml
the materials I mean
void river
it makes sense because the auric armors are made from the same themed items
runic mesa
i just want a yharon drop yoyo, b/c i feel most yharon non-material drops are kinda meh. if i make a good yoyo out of it, it would be nice
void kelp
a lot of them are like, weapons from game progression
reef swift
Oh yeah I forgot lacerated existed
void river
i could think of
Yharon-Yo
Dragonbane
Supernova
and Exothermic annihilation
in terms of names
ashen warren
Exo-yo for the memes
runic mesa
okay yharon-yo is actually a good name, mind if i use it?
void river
credit me at the bottom?
void river
then sure ^w^
if Yharim had a yo-yo though i feel like it robbed the oppertunity to have Yharim-Yo
arctic wren
"exo-yo"
runic mesa
it would, but id rather make a yharon drop yoyo first
arctic wren
void river
Still think The Eclipse would have been a good post Yharon Phase-1 Yo-Yo
runic mesa
i feel yharon yo is fine. if needed we can think of a new one
arctic wren
the dark sun sounds like the name of a band
therefore it should be the name of a bard weapon if compatibility ever happens
vestal elbow
more like the dork sun
void river
black hole sun, wont you come
sinful steeple
I'd call the 'Exo-yo' the Auric Spinner
void river
the Air Spinner already exists 
sinful steeple
I know
ashen warren
For like. the billionth time, King Slime is meant to be easy.
Remember, first boss.
sterile moon
Ok how about death mode?
void river
if anything, suggest the king slime should get a super jump that reachs people in the air
ashen warren
Death mode is a gimmick mode in a lot of ways so I mean, maybe.
It also makes him annoying as fuck to nohit though.
You can't dodge teleport.
sterile moon
Maybe code him too where if you are in the air for more than 3 to 5 seconds he will teleport
ashen warren
Are you trying to make king slime literally impossible to nohit?
lost agate
Uh why are you people so stubborn to get an anti cheese for the first boss?
perfs doesnt have an anticheese and hes way further so uh like wh
Let the first boss be easy people
Otherwise do you want to give tips on killing KS on #help-advice-read-pins?
ashen warren
Oh more pls buff ks suggestions
lost agate
The backlash from an anticheese on deus is already quite bad
sinful steeple
King Slime on armageddon would be impossible if it could teleport on you whenever
lost agate
It isnt impossible
ashen warren
Can we just get a pin that KS and DS won't be buffed since they're basically "tutorial bosses"
sinful steeple
What anticheese
sinful steeple
Oh
dusty stirrup
The Main worm becomes faster and shoots more laser
also gains the ability to deal contact damage
until you disable gravity
lost agate
Well it isnt that bad actually
Just some people that used that cheese are like "wait what"
Also nam i got some good news for ya owowo
ashen warren
ono
lost agate
No more buff ks/ds suggestions 
ashen warren
lost agate
Just need mrrp to edit the rules on pins
sinful violet
Don't make pointless suggestions to make bosses which are meant to be easy, uncheeseable or much harder.
@lost agate thanos car
dusty stirrup
snap
sinful violet
fuck
dusty stirrup
Good work mrrp yourdidit
ashen warren
lost agate
Anyway, imma suggest a tiny suggestion on sentinels balancing but first i want some opinions
ashen warren
elder sparrow
just give king slime a deathray
literally the perfect solution
what does he mean by astral pots
real parrot
lost agate
This is the thing
Cv: The better the arena, the easier the boss gets, and imo thats fine since dungeon is the most demanding biome to make, so that stays as it is
SW: not so demanding fighting space and not so demanding boss, this boss could get a new attack of some sort that makes his strat a tad more demanding (rn its just walk on rev or lower) but it needs to be something that doesnt turn DM weaver p2 into something unfair, maybe something that spawns sideways so you dont ram into it while going up
Signus: Demanding fighting space and demanding boss 
Personally i think that after 50% signus gets a tad too crazy, i wanna blame those damned shots that come from above, i would think just making these slower could do the trick
Opinions?
real parrot
ye sounds about right
elder sparrow
CV can stay i agree
ashen warren
Ye SW needs a buff on rev and lower I agree
sinful violet
^
elder sparrow
the main reason why air fireballs for signus are ass is because we go vertical to counter the cosmilamps but we literally cant react to them
sinful violet
CV's fine, but just could be a little bit more interesting.
quiet abyss
^
void kelp
signus compared to the other two in difficulty is an absurd spike imo
sinful violet
SW is alright, but needs buff
lost agate
Yeah exactly that reb
elder sparrow
also RNG
ashen warren
Signus getting too chaotic after 50% is a definite yes for me, there's just too much to micromanage, signus phase 3, mines, lamps, and the falling stuff that barely give you any time to react imo
sinful violet
Signus might need a bit of a nerf in terms of projectile damage/placement i guess
void kelp
yeah
ashen warren
I always thought the rain from above didn't fit signus, a backstab warp mechanic would be better for pressure imo.
lost agate
Maybe?
void kelp
rn they place it too densely and basically point a bunch of knives at your face like that one cat image
ashen warren
Telegraphed so it isn't cheap, duh.
real parrot
i agree with sequence
signus is supposed to be an assassin, shouldn't he have attacks that appear behind you?
the teleporting thing he has right now the only "assassin"y part of the fight and it's kinda lame
elder sparrow
can we also tweak the mines a little bit? the mines' hitboxes are misleading but shrinking the hitbox will nerf them and making the sprites bigger, well, would be ok
ashen warren
void kelp
SW maybe could be buffed by like,
ashen warren
Was thinking that the lamps would shooty, since right now they're almost worthless.
However a few point-blank kunai would be neato.
The mines are the biggest problem for me tbh, if they could like, despawn earlier that'd be great
A cycle has already passed and they still haven't despawn from my experience
void kelp
giving it more electric abilities? rn it’s very underwhelming to just have a handful of easy-to-dodge bolts
void kelp
lamps are weirdly sturdy for being, yaknow, lamps
ashen warren
Lamps force you to move carefully and limit your movement tho
Guess I just don't have trouble with them then.
elder sparrow
i think lamps are fine
lost agate
Hmm, i would say SW could shoot something itself
ashen warren
Isnt there already the lightning?
elder sparrow
don't give him a melee attack.
lost agate
He doesnt really shoot it himself
lost agate
Lmao
ashen warren
Give him eidolon push
void kelp
like how cryogen summons snow stormweaver ought to trigger heavy rain effect too
elder sparrow
no
void kelp
- the laser walls
ashen warren
Laser walls but ez are good.
void kelp
too much frames?
ashen warren
I think SW already has a good arsenal, they're just barely noticeable because they're all easily dodged by walking
lost agate
Nah the rain isnt needed
void kelp
ah, too extra
lost agate
Nam is arsenal is literally 2
ashen warren
How many attacks does CV have?
void kelp
it should have a weaker laser gimmick
lost agate
3
ashen warren
w
void kelp
signus has about that much
lost agate
Dark energies, homing lasers and the rev+ attack
elder sparrow
you can probably count like 4 rev+: laser orbs, illusion laser orbs that appear above you, energies themselves, energy circles
lost agate
The one with circling orbs
ashen warren
o
void kelp
ya
elder sparrow
energies themselves might not be considered an attack tho
void kelp
the false ones that kinda move towards you could be
lost agate
The fact they ignore knockback on low hp makes them quite a deal
elder sparrow
they can actually hit you if you move upward too recklessly
you think you can like make the probes group up together kinda like deus but not with deus head
to make some super probe that can probably bombard you with lasers
ashen warren
Like angery flame?
lost agate
Kinda
ashen warren
Just killable.
ashen warren
I like that.
Angery flame is fun, and annoying.
ashen warren
real parrot
upgrade fruit suggestion is pretty cool ngl
ashen warren
Suddenly storm weaver harder than signut. 
lost agate
Make it have kind of the same speed as you and bam
teal ibex
hopefully my writing isn't terrible 
lost agate
You at least have to jump to dodge those lasers
And yeah idk, dont wanna give sw anything crazy
ashen warren
I like them tooltips.
real parrot
@teal ibex "Though somewhat bland, what taste can be described is unlike any other experienced." => "Though somewhat bland, its taste can be described unlike any other experience."
the only grammar problem i found. good otherwise 👍
teal ibex
i don't think that's grammatically incorrect as much as an infrequent form of phrasing
elder sparrow
sw doesnt need to be obscenely complicated you can just straight up buff him with probably extra lasers or probe mechanic
or even frost lasers
lost agate
Yeah
real parrot
ah right, good point
teal ibex
of course i doubt my suggestions would be added verbatim anyway
ashen warren
It's not a grammar error.
It's just fancy language.
real parrot
seeing the sentence as two parts made me rethink my grammar
lost agate
I think the intended difficulty is CV-SW-Signus from easiest to hardest
So uhm
I wanna write this suggestion but idk what to add to sw
elder sparrow
tail shoots pink laser that homes in
ashen warren
Change lightning orb attack to go horizontally and rain lightning?
teal ibex
i've always thought it would be interesting if storm weaver was buffed outside of space
lost agate
Give him the destroyer treatment?
teal ibex
having to deal with the different movement mechanics of space could make for a much more interesting and slightly challenging fight
elder sparrow
it can interrupt circling which counters lightning arc but it can be made to not be bs
teal ibex
it's still restricted verticality, can he not outrun you just moving along platforms?
lost agate
You can stay at the same speed as him
lost agate
Idk will that really matter?
teal ibex
if you make him faster than the player and put him in space verticality will absolutely be required
and as a result spaces physics will be put into play for the fight itself
not necessarily a hard buff, but at least it's more than "shoot tail, now run and shoot rest"
lost agate
Uh i dont see how that would force you to go vertically
teal ibex
if you can't outrun him horizontally you have to incorporate some form of circling, right?
lost agate
No
You can still just run
He wont eat you because he outrun you or anything
He just gets to turn around
teal ibex
does he not do contact damage?
teal ibex
okay fair, i was thinking particularly about deathmode
which afaik makes him wholly aggro
lost agate
Dm p2 is already on a good spot
P1 and p2 on rev or lower is kind of a joke
He stays as a crawltipede all the way
teal ibex
maybe that's a change worth considering as well, then
lost agate
Give him DM ai on rev and lower?
real parrot
i was thinking more of the hitboxes on p1 compared to p2, but i guess the aggro works the same
teal ibex
just having him chase the player seems like an improvement yeah
real parrot
p1 is tail-only weak spot, p2 is just worm
lost agate
But still crawltipede ai
teal ibex
you still have the relative difficulty of the size of the boss for scaling purposes
real parrot
i thought that SW still charges at the player on rev
lost agate
Yeah, DM SW would still be smaller and harder to hit
real parrot
oh wait, nevermind. last time i fought SW was on DM
teal ibex
i still want worm battles in space tbh
lost agate
Signus shots those shot from the sky from behind you now and all of the sw p2 have DM ai
Sounds good?
And i could also suggest an enrage if hes outside space
But as a separate thing
ashen warren
Distance behind changes with mode?
tawny tide
its really hard to tell where space begins and ends imo
teal ibex
it would be easy to tell in preparation
lost agate
@ashen warren yeah rev and such have longer worms
teal ibex
you just don't have a reason to internalize it as it stands
because space has literally zero use in current game
lost agate
So its eqsier to hit
ashen warren
I meant for signut.
How far behind you he is decreases the higher the mode is or something.
tawny tide
fair
lost agate
Hmm
ashen warren
Space would be fine if was consistent.
ashen warren
It's nothing at the beginning but then annoying af higher up.
lost agate
Eh uh what
Im talking about some projectiles signus spawns after 65%
Anyway imma write that suggestion
ashen warren
Was referring to space.
"Space would be fine if was consistent. It's nothing at the beginning but then annoying af higher up."
lost agate
Alrighty done
Imma post an enrage idea for SW when i think more about it
(why do i have a feeling it wont get stars because im asking to buff a boss) 
ashen warren
Storm weaver is free atm so I don't know why folks would complain.
lost agate
Because buffing a boss is never liked by most people it seems
Even if theres reasons
See: wof hp buff
ashen warren
Ngl, I wouldn't mind all the bosses except for scal becoming harder since I can breeze through most of the game at this point.
However I also know that many people find DM utter torture so meh.
sinful violet
Have an enraged CV turn the screen dark and pull you into itself until you die
lost agate
CV is fine as it is
sinful violet
lost agate
Oh yeah
warm tinsel
That's probably what Goozma does anyway
real parrot
no one knows what goozma does except the devs
warm tinsel
that's the whole point
devout seal
Signus's Cosmic Mines are BS.
though, having CV's containment shatter, and it just starts an increasing gravity effect towards it while you try desperately to blast away it's health would be a very interesting thing to see.
frail mantle
signut's cosmic miner are indeed an :ech:
devout seal
or hell, it could be:
CV shatters
black hole, it starts sucking you and stuff in
dodge debris and stay out of it for like.. a minute
it fizzles out, crushed under the weight of reality
warm tinsel
It would be a cool part imo
Also what do you think about my last suggestion? Should we get shards from decorations?
reef mountain
(To Ded shucks) Try attacking phase 2 storm weaver at or below 20% hp with a mutilator, it’s a interesting sight, healing back 200 hp per second.
Nobody knowing what to say on my suggestion?
proven tide
@sinful steeple A Luminite crawler would be Zerg-abused to the Hells and back
In order to keep the game balanced, the devs have specifically avoided any ways of obtaining Luminite outside of the ML fight
sinful steeple
I was thinking it would probably be really strong or something, like fast, super bulky and really high contact damage
elder mist
But what claim are you citing towards no luminite bar ML = balanced according to devs?
Don't ever remember any dev saying that.
ashen warren
Can fly and deals 2k damage.
100% kb resist and 50k health.
Drops 1 luminite, 2 in expert.
Perfect.
sinful steeple
I was more imagining rapid horizontal acceleration, 20k health, 100% kb resist and like 5-15 luminite ore
ashen warren
Seriously though. luminite can be farmed easily so idk why that's there.
You forget wings
That means they're free no matter what.
sinful steeple
It would also pose a threat to people farming for blood orbs in post-ML
They can jump 10 times
proven tide
I've always seen non-ML Luminite — even the popular spawn-it-in-the-planetoids idea — shot down because the devs figured it would be cheap to have to fight ML for it and then never go back to him
elder mist
Wouldn't you think it's because rather than not fighting ML, it's because the devs want you to actually fight stuff to get it instead of just mining or something low-risk?
novel pebble
But there's already slimes for various ores?
elder mist
There's no slime for vanilla ore, I don't think.
So the luminite slime wouldn't really make much sense.
ashen warren
Everything up to cobalt is pretty pointless.
proven tide
except of course as soon as I go back to find the examples I'm talking about I see Rover say that the devs are now considering alternate Luminite sources
righto, carry on
ashen warren
Planetoids serve for the first 6, meteors easy to get, crimonite drops from 3 bosses, obsidian is already infinite, hellstone spawns in spades.
Luminite pointless because ML dies in like, a minute with elemental shit.
And that's DM.
Only crawlers worth a damn are hm ores and chloro.
warm tinsel
What about my moon?
elder yew
There's already an infinite amount of every vanilla ore iirc
warm tinsel
Wait how
elder yew
Crates serve for ordinary pre-hm ores and ordinary hm ores
elder yew
Chlorophyte regrows, making it farmable
...not quite infinite, but lets be honest, how tf are you going to go through every mud/dirt block in the world?
Luminite, well, ML exists
ashen warren
Crates are more reliable than crawlers also.
elder yew
Demonite from bosses
Hellstone is the only nonrenewable vanilla ore IIRC
And it's goddamn hellstone, there's an abundance of it
karmic salmon
@sharp turtle doesn't the damage-transfer only work on teammembers, tho? So people of the same colored teams? If so, just being in different teams or not being in teams should do the trick, no? Or does it not actually factor the ingame team-mechanic in at all? Sorry for bringing this up again so late 😂
ashen warren
There's like, more than 9999 in hell, clearing a providence arena gave me that.
warm tinsel
I still think DoG should be shotdown with Cosmilite as an ore
elder yew
Oh yeah forgot meteorite
in theory, if you use crates/bosses to obtain "new" blocks, those "new" blocks can be hit by meteorites
ashen warren
Honestly, no matter what we say it's gonna reach 65+ stars no matter how bad it is.
It has a sprite.
elder yew
Yeah
elder yew
I don't have a sprite yet, because I don't have access to my computer ATM, but what do you guys think about an underworld crate?
sinful steeple
That would be cool
elder yew
Normal crate+shadow chest loot
warm tinsel
But really, we need to see stuff for that, I agree with the Go Farm ML you lazy slacker
sinful steeple
Also I mostly only made the crawlers so that there are more things that want to kill me
elder yew
Wouldn't be too useful, especially since you need a HM rod to get pre-HM items, but it'd be good for rounding out the set of crates and collecting any items you've lost/didn't generate
It's always fun to have more things to want to kill you
That's why zerg exists
ashen warren
Shadow crates already exist though?
elder yew
...wait, what?
warm tinsel
Wait guys I have a legit question
proven tide
ono
warm tinsel
I suggested the music boxes for Threats and the Dokuro's Remixes but even if it has 65+ stars I didn't see anything mentioned even by mods, what's the deal?
elder yew
It's a fickle thing, a lot of suggestions get through and not all get implemented
ashen warren
Rover lazy if it wasn't sent.
Ignored if it was.
elder yew
I suggested a aquashard shotgun buff a week ago and haven't heard back about that. Either waiting on the next update or got rejected
Anyway, if one of those mods already has a shadow crate, I don't think there's a need for calamity to have one
warm tinsel
It's been green ticked three times... So what's gonna happen?
elder yew
That's probably just a mod green ticking it and two randos hitting the reaction button
ashen warren
^
warm tinsel
Oooh okay
Well then, I'll wait for Fab himself to get on so I can ask him if it was rejected or not
ashen warren
Read the top pin in #suggestions-voting
elder yew
It'd be nice if there was a better system for following up on these, but I understand why not. With how many suggestions they get, it's difficult to keep track of every single one
warm tinsel
Did it, I understand
Still, I wonder if it's gonna happen someday... Getting a 16-bit Ravager dropping from him would be fantastic xD
80 of you agreed with me lol
lost agate
You know, if CV actually could break and consider that an attack, it wouldnt really be a contained black hole now would it
And to be fair, you can easily dodge signus mines if you know what youre doing
But the damn projectiles that come from above you are just straight up annoying
So that why i suggested them to be shot in a less akward direction
ashen warren
Aren’t they always in the same position on a set timer above you? iirc anyways
lost agate
Yeah but they get annoying because youre often going up to dodge p3 or something and if they spawn right when youre going up, the reaction time you have is quite low
And if they spawn sideways it would give more reaction time since its not like youre having burden breaker tiers of speed
ashen warren
I don’t think I’ve ever had that issue if I treated it like provi’s crystal and took my time when heading up
lost agate
Well i would do that if there wasnt mines following me and signus wasnt about to eat me otherwise
I tried my strat of simply going up slowly on p3 but the new p1 ai just makes it akward to do
He gets pretty fucking fast after 50%
ashen warren
Probably the new ai in that case, haven’t fought him since it was implemented
lost agate
Yeah the new ai is just messing with me
But i dont wanna suggest them to make signus have knockback during all the fight or something
ashen warren
It wasn't that bad for me when I tested him with the new ai
Then again it's probably just me
Could just be trying to do a strat that no longer works ye
lost agate
He wasnt even on screen once and he almost rammed me after he finished p3 
ashen warren
lost agate
Idk if fully
ashen warren
Fully zoomed out is like most of the map iirc 
lost agate
Oh yeah then no
That would be brutal
Also, the fact he keeps the momentum after teleporting
ashen warren
Imagine if he was actually able to ram you from that far away
Also it's the same with scal right? 
Wat
When she charges and enters a bh phase whilst charging
Same thing but a bit different I guess
Oh god the instant charging 
lost agate
I dont mean a p3 dash btw
I meant that after finishing p3 he just casually walks at you with p1 ai
I had to damn dodge him when he was that far away
ashen warren
ashen warren
Nice job using blissful in sync with the music.
lost agate
lost agate
Mhm
ashen warren
Fast enough it requires rod usage to consistently dodge?
No not really, but fast enough to have you focus everything on dodging I guess
Could you elaborate please?
@winged comet Could you elaborate on that suggestion?
winged comet
A upgrade for the golem fist
hollow dust
could you 
in #suggestions-voting and format yours accordingly please?
lost agate
@ashen warren hes fast enough for me to want to compare it with BR SG
Maybe just a bit slower than him
radiant meadow
@winged comet you'll still need to elaborate on that suggestion
Talk about what it does and where to craft it in your suggestion
perhaps give a reason why it's needed
radiant meadow
that's a bit better, ye
fervent sky
So, out of curiosity, if I updated a suggestion I made before that reached the needed amount of stars, how would I let people know it's updated without reposting it?
frail mantle
they wouldn't
fervent sky
Ok
frail mantle
if it reached the needed amount of stars, just edit it and wait for a dev to send it in
(unless it has already been sent in, of course)
fervent sky
Ye
It's already been sent in, although it is in a doc so I guess I could share the updated one in this channel (unless that's not allowed)
frail mantle
🤔
fervent sky
frail mantle
if it's just to show the updated version without having to repost it, i think it's okay
fervent sky
Ye
rich inlet
fervent sky
rip
lost agate
Its ok if at least a week has passed
fervent sky
To repost a suggestion?
lost agate
Yeah
agile cloud
If it was sent to dev server, dont bother reposting
fervent sky
I'll just the put the updated doc here so I don't have to repost it and people can still see.
I've been working on updating my Calamity Achievements suggestion for a bit, so here's a link to the doc.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gjt92bYSWlSBoPlivlRReTykS81Mu4CIhskKIR4OCqc/edit?usp=sharing
agile cloud
That, is REALLY good
fervent sky
Thancc
agile cloud
Just one problem though, not sure how it would be implemented
iirc you cant add custom steam achevements
ashen warren
There's a mod.
fervent sky
agile cloud
Oh
fervent sky
There's a link at the bottom of the doc too
agile cloud
Guess i didnt catch that
fervent sky
That's ok
agile cloud
This is the first suggestion in a while that i'd fight for to have in the game
ashen warren
Though, calamity having that as a prereq would probably be the part that gets it not added.
Other than effort.
agile cloud
Yeah
ashen warren
It's a good thingo nonetheless.
frail mantle
the only suggestion of mine i really hope gets added to the mod is the Minion Attention Catcher
frail mantle
cause it's annoying when your Elemental Axes fuck off to bully a slime when you're fighting Providence
agile cloud
Or how mechworm does LITERALY NOTHING to yharon if he's not completely still
ashen warren
Disable enemy tracking?
agile cloud
I do, but phatoms are too slow
ashen warren
Focus on bosses entirely.
frail mantle
what about boss minions
agile cloud
Yeah
frail mantle
like the Guardians
agile cloud
this is getting too hard for my tiny brain to handle
i'm gonna leave before i dissolve into nothing
frail mantle
or the Cosmic Guardians, Small Bumblebirbs, Polter Clone etc.
rich inlet
Smol birbs sounds cute
I also want wyrmie/reaper shark pet/minion
Might suggest that someday
simple sigil
Borbital strike
frail mantle
Calamity's Vanities already has a Borbhat and an Eidolon Inchwyrm pet
fervent sky
Also, anyone got a good name for the Soul Artifact achievement?
ashen warren
Hephaetaus, cuz gud god smith
frail mantle
maybe Follower of Charon, since Charon is the guy who carries souls across the river Styx in Greek mythology
rich inlet
Pandora
frail mantle
or how about Valhallan Smith
ashen warren
Celestial Seal?
rich inlet
Worms, chickens, and penguinos
ashen warren
Anyways, I'm working on a HM ore enemy suggestion, where would they be put?
As in progression wise?
More like location
frail mantle
which ores
ashen warren
The initial six, Cobalt, Palladium, mythril, orichalcum, adamantite, titanium.
Probably underground caverns then by common sense
Alrighty then
ashen warren
@earnest raptor The cultist can be summoned by the tablet again, right? If not, you've just blocked off the only source of Meld bars.
tiny rivet
Yes, Eidolist Tablet summons cultist and pillars, fargo’s has specific summons for only lunatic and only pillars as well
elder yew
Tooltip would have to change, since in calamity's lore, the cultists are "good guys" sealing ML away, but otherwise looks good
placid moth
@ashen warren please elaborate
placid moth
???
real parrot
fab's already making the rogue class, which is essentially throwing but better
ashen warren
radiant meadow
Calamity will not support the throwing class
ashen warren
i thought rogue was an assasin type class
real parrot
it is
simple sigil
Vanilla throwing code is spaghetti
real parrot
but still, it's just throwing but actually good
simple sigil
Rogue is better throwing
ashen warren
only use for throwing class is beenades
simple sigil
Throwing was dead on arrival, it's half-baked Ranged 0.5
simple sigil
That's what I'm saying
real parrot
well, think about it
you're throwing projectiles
simple sigil
The throwing damage type is just a shittier version of ranged damage
With less support
frail mantle
throwing is a sexually confused melee/ranged hybrid
ashen warren
reasoning beenades would be to op with vortex armour
simple sigil
And less versatility in the base game
ashen warren
thats my guess
i wonder if there are any mods to remove throwing and make it ranged again
real parrot
beenades are only really good for pre-hm and early hm