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ashen warren
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no no no

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that doesn't sound right

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use two

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yes

dusty stirrup
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Sends out "boi" hands

ashen warren
sinful violet
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Charge up boi hands to send out a blast of bones.

ashen warren
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imagine the sprite that would be used for the projectile

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just the boi hand

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I would honestly pay to have an early solar flare-esque weapon with those two hands.

pale bluff
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Flarearms

sleek wadi
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Please no more solar eruption flails, standard gravity flails need more love

pale bluff
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ye

sleek wadi
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Also somehow there is still no double flail, this would be the perfect opportunity to make one.

ashen warren
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Add a planetoid flail that's literally the moon on a chain.

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NO

jolly kettle
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But those are pretty subpar

sleek wadi
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They're subpar because no one realized their potential.

ashen warren
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Gravity flails used to be great until the rev flail buff was tweaked.

pale bluff
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Why not a weapon that's like the Sky Dragon's Fury

ashen warren
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Typhon's Greed?

sleek wadi
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You can do a lot of cool shit with those flails but nope, we need more swords.

jolly kettle
sinful violet
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did someone say swords

pale bluff
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no

ashen warren
jolly kettle
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Would ya look at the time

ashen warren
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i smell swords

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I sense the presence of a sword-like entity...

jolly kettle
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Sword o clock

sleek wadi
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How about a flail that, with high enough velocity, would launch a volley of rocks into the air when hitting a block.

ashen warren
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Calamity even has the dimension cutter weeb katana.

ruby cobalt
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reminding you that we got exoblade 2

pale bluff
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Nugget

ashen warren
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Electric Boogaloo

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exoblade is the worst post-scal weapon

pale bluff
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yuh

ashen warren
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That's a funny joke.

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Murasama objectively

pale bluff
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Ark of the Cosmos is better

sleek wadi
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Ark of the Cosmos has superior fashion to all swords, thus making it best sword.

ashen warren
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Exoblade lifesteal far surpasses almost every other exo-wep.

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you have a point

jolly kettle
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So it’s just Healy sword

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Not dmg

sleek wadi
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Okay but, Empyrean and Illustrious Knives.

ashen warren
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oooh

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Not the same tier

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It has like -20k or so dps with amazing healing.

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^

pale bluff
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IMO I love the Scourge of the Corruptor more than the Vamp Knives

ashen warren
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Emp were trash last time I checked.

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Better after the lifesteal cooldown tweak, just checked.

sleek wadi
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Emp knives deal nice DPS and at the very least USED to have great healing.

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But then lifesteal nerf lul

jolly kettle
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What was this lifesteal change

ashen warren
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Still pretty trash compared to exoblade lifesteal.

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Now, I'm working on my ore enemies suggestion, and I'm wondering where to put the enemies, since they're so discordantly vibrant (Blue, Orange, Green, Purple, Red, Silver).

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@jolly kettle
"All life steal/healing bonuses from modded weapons and armor now have a longer cooldown period to prevent being unkillable."

jolly kettle
ashen warren
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It was pain when first put in.
Only exoblade healing was still good because it healed like 60 hp every time.

sleek wadi
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Funnily enough it was the one change needed to make Yharon 2 not a victory lap for Melee.

ashen warren
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Goblin Army drop rate nerf
When fighting the GA, a common complaint is the absolute amount of warblades that are dropped, clogging up the inventory when farming for shadowflame items later on or otherwise.

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Is this a valid issue, or only me?

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Funnily it's only a 5% drop rate according to wiki.

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4% in normal.

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Though, 5% on a super common enemy.

rapid pivot
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Yeh, but that's still at least 5 warblades.

ashen warren
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at least

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Yea, with warriors being so common and the item being so garbage I'd make it 3% myself.
2 in normal.

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What's the rate on the plasma rod?

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4% / 5%

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Casters are a lot less common though.

proven tide
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Interestingly, I can't seem to go through one invasion without getting three to six of them

lucid marsh
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@faint magnet doesn’t tick up or down? Or both?

faint magnet
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I'm not sure I understand the question

frail mantle
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he means "make Adrenaline damage boosts not fade away and decrease when bosses are practically undamageable, like Brimbo and Prov's cocoon phases, Yharon's healing at the start of the second phase and SCal's bullet hells"

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(Also Dapper remember that you can damage DoG in the laser phases now)

ruby cobalt
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tbh it should be changed to just Yharon's heal and BHs

tulip parcel
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Et Tu
"Not a brute's weapon"
Hardmode Rogue Weapon
Cores of Chaos + Unholy Cores + Iron Bars
Crafted @ Demon Altar

A small, plain looking dagger. When used, the weapon fires similarly to throwing knives, however only one may exist at a time, and another may not be thrown until the knife has hit either an enemy or a tile. Bonuses to attackspeed also increase the weapon's velocity. Does low damage for its tier.

When Et Tu hits an enemy, a bleeding dagger will appear on the enemy, large and plain - scaling to the enemy's size.

If the player lands another dagger throw on the already embedded dagger, that attack is automatically a critical hit, and their damage is multiplied by two as long as Et Tu is their chosen weapon. This effect may stack up to three times, granting the dagger x8 its original damage. Only one "sweet spot" may exist at any given time. Landing a hit anywhere else will remove the player's bonus damage and move the dagger to wherever they have hit.

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what do you guys think?

frail mantle
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is the name literally just "and you" in french LUL

ruby cobalt
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et tu, brutus

frail mantle
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that makes sense

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either way, do the second daggers have to hit exactly where the first one hit to get the special crit thing?

pale bluff
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it makes sense since it's a reference to Julius Caesar's MURDER

tulip parcel
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no, they have to hit anywhere within the large dagger indicator

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which is hopefully merciful enough

lucid marsh
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@hybrid ocean let it be known that I suggested something like this ages ago

ashen warren
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See that guy with the blue all the way on the right?
I feel for that guy.

lucid marsh
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Would have had a kraken miniboss

ashen warren
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He just wanted a sandwich.

tulip parcel
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I dunno, I think the item has good flavor

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good rogue flavor too

ashen warren
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Yea, it's good shit.

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Cores of Chaos make it post-golem, which is nice.

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oops, was thinking chaotic bars
post-plantera*

tulip parcel
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golem is pretty much the same as plantera though

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you kinda just run over after killing bulb boy

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anyway ima post it

proven tide
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Did

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Okay, firstly, @open umbra, that suggestion is remarkably low-effort and doesn't provide any guidelines for the actions the developers should take towards achieving that goal or what you'd like that to look like in regards to function and effects.

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Secondly, as a base principle, don't star your own suggestion.

ashen warren
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You aren't meant to grind proficiency.

lost agate
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Third of all, meters exists

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You equip one and voala

ashen warren
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It's a thing you get over time.

proven tide
tulip parcel
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voila

ashen warren
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voala*

lost agate
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And thats unimportant

tulip parcel
proven tide
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The person who suggested doesn't seem to be online

tulip parcel
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they're online

proven tide
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damnit they were just grey

ashen warren
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Why do I feel like that's a meme suggestion somehow?

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Maybe it's their name.

lost agate
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At most i might delete the stars for low effort

tulip parcel
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delete the star on my post

lost agate
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Just give him 10 minutes

tulip parcel
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delete my life too please

lost agate
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Nah

tulip parcel
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I want death to blanket my eyes

lost agate
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Then go play calamity

tulip parcel
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ok

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i'll go try to nohit pre-nerf brain again

lost agate
ashen warren
frail mantle
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ono

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btw this person literally has one message in this server and it's this suggestion

ashen warren
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The one thing that doesn't make me think that it's entirely a meme sugg is that they don't have the new to discord whatever.

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meme name and that suggestion, it's pretty lol

pale bluff
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Weapon Name: ádis' Ypaíthrios
Crafting Recipe: Flesh Block (20), Phantoplasm (50), Laser Rifle (1)
Tier: Post Polterghast
Damage Type: Ranged
Design: A fleshy Laser Gun with the muzzle being a mouth with a glowing inside
Attack: Roars before it fires a large Laser Bolt that splits into 2 more and then 3 more
Reason: There really needs to be a flesh themed Ranged Weapon that can be a Ranged version of the Laser Rifle
What do y'all think?

ashen warren
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how do you read that

arctic wren
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must really dislike grinding 🤔

tulip parcel
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"phancy name"

ashen warren
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hue

tulip parcel
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sorry

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phancy gname

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my b

ashen warren
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did you just

pale bluff
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It's Greek for "Hades Unmaker"

elder sparrow
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bruh JUlies Ceesar ReferenC!!!

ashen warren
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That's just flexing.
And an odd one at that.
I do not understand the purpose behind it.
But I've acquiesced.

elder sparrow
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i like the rader accessories though

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raider rogue whatever

tulip parcel
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more like jewlius wheezer

elder sparrow
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proficiency is meant to be a grind

pale bluff
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The ancestor to Carl Wheezer?

tulip parcel
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how did you know

ashen warren
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Are accents even possible in terraria?

elder sparrow
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that's not gonna get changed

tulip parcel
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while I'm here

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what would people think of cat NPCs

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one for each mode you've done

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so one for the end of normal mode, one for the end of hardmode and one after SCal

sinful violet
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?

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I'd question why they're cats

tulip parcel
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because they're cats

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they're just pets

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could be cat or dog

ashen warren
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So bear but not as great as bear.

sinful violet
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So like, you'd have an animal taking up an NPC slot?

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I'm confused.

tulip parcel
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nah it'd just show up and linger

sinful violet
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huh

tulip parcel
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like it wouldn't take a housing slot

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but it would appear in town

sinful violet
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still, why though

tulip parcel
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why not?

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it's good flavor

ashen warren
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thonk Seems like a wildlife mod thing ngl.

tulip parcel
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mrrh alright nevermind

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if I'm not original I'm damned

ashen warren
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Though, it'd be a nice thing to add to the wildlife mod.

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Nah, I meant it doesn't really fit in calamity.

ruby cobalt
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So, a critter.

ashen warren
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Provi dealing 30 damage? darylForreal

frail mantle
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i mean, Prov's lowest damage attack are the negatively healing cocoon flames, and they can still tear you a new asshole and get visitors to live there since they ignore i-frames

reef mountain
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The minimum for me is 18

frail mantle
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well that might be because you're using a tank build HDfailure

ashen warren
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I mean even with tank build's her damage won't go down that low

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Unless you're like

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fucking
luigi

reef mountain
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18 is something a tank build for normal mode king slime is supposed to. Achieve.

frail mantle
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except for the cocoon flames, all her attacks deal at least 100 damage

quiet abyss
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@reef mountain First of all, Providence's damage is as fine as it is, no need for damage caps.
Second, holy ray+ icarus’s folly is definitely possible to dodge and in no way unfair, as with the right arena you can fly up, hook to a platform above you to refresh flight time and then fly over providence that way. Rod of discord also exists.
Third, her holy ray is clearly telegraphed by her slowing down quite considerably, and the difference in speed is quite noticeable. Additionally, unless you've used rage/adrenaline beforehand you'll clearly hear the sound of her firing her holy ray since the sound is centered on your character.

ruby cobalt
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Calamity's lowest Post-ML damage is 17.

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You've hit the damage taken cap.

reef mountain
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Will, when she starts firing it’s a bit too late.

ashen warren
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that's why you're supposed to pay attention

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not like you can dodge attacks while just dozing off

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Not really?
You can still RoD.

reef mountain
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An attack that requires RoDing is a bit unfair.

ashen warren
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an attack you can't dodge because you positioned yourself badly shouldn't be changed because it's the players fault

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It doesn't require it, and it's the same one ml has.

reef mountain
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Ml doesn’t cripple your wings!

ashen warren
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there's enough time for you to fly up and go back to a platform

frail mantle
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an attack that requires rodding isn't unfair because of how easy it is to get a RoD in calamity

ashen warren
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Tracers still fly for a decent enough period of time even with icarus' folly.

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there's also the option of like using wings and treads

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if you really need that extra flight time

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^

mystic cloak
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Let's not forget umbrella, although a kind of dinky item still helps with these things

reef mountain
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Wait, what?

mystic cloak
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there's no real excuses for "I can't beat this mechanic because I can't fly enough" when you can use the umbrella for slow fall, and gravitation potions even

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And RoD as well

ancient dragon
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There's several options to circumvent limited flight, p much. Makes the suggestion almost entirely unnecessary.

reef mountain
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Slow fall is achievable with any wing, the problem is mainly not going up far enough.

quiet abyss
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Again, you have a clear telegraph of when she's going to fire her holy ray by seeing her slow down quite considerably.
There's about 2 seconds of charging, which is more than enough time to react and prepare to dodge her holy ray unless your reaction time is somehow that astronomically low.
And even after she fires, the holy ray still takes about almost a second before it reaches you, which again is a considerable amount of time to either RoD away or fly up and above her.
Compared to Moon Lord, her death ray is far easier to fly above and over due to her slow down which makes her considerably slower than ML when he's firing his deathray, even with the icarus folly debuff.

mystic cloak
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Simply build an arena that can compensate for that. Platforming an arena isn't too hard y'know.

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Platform- hook it, fly again

quiet abyss
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^

mystic cloak
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lose flight, hook it, fly again

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Even if it is hard to react for you or not, a lot of these problems CAN be circumvented

reef mountain
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The thing is it shouldn’t have to be circumvented.

mystic cloak
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It is a post moonlord boss my man, it is meant to give you a challenge

reef mountain
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In the form of a platform line...

ashen warren
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You think that you shouldn't need to plan for a boss?

mystic cloak
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Wood is inexpensive.

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You literally just gotta plonk down a few lines of even small platform lines

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just repeat hook looping with circling strats

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Hell, if I could kite the bloody bastard to death with elemental disks on revengeance

reef mountain
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You never know where she’ll fly, and holy inferno can kill you in seconds.

mystic cloak
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you can do it with a simple looping trick

quiet abyss
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"it shouldn’t have to be circumvented in the form of a platform line"
So then, what about DoG may I ask?
The boss that is far more arena dependent than providence?

frail mantle
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^

mystic cloak
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And her flight is always guaranteed to have a certain pattern to it

ashen warren
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You never know where she’ll fly
That is also false, she has a certain pattern.

mystic cloak
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And if you lead her in the right way

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it's all easy as pie to read

frail mantle
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DoG without a platform is nearly suicide

mystic cloak
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^

ashen warren
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Providence is fat enough that you can just follow her movement, there's also the option to use your map to see where she's flying to

ancient dragon
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Calamity's certainly not a mod in which you can just mindlessly toss yourself against bosses without any preparation and expect to succeed, btw. If you think you can waltz right into each encounter with the bare minimum and come out victorious, you'd be sorely mistaken.

mystic cloak
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That too, just expand the minimap view

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if she flies off screen, you can use that to track

ashen warren
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there's multiple solutions to your problems terrarium

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You can also try using the transparent map that covers your whole screen.

mystic cloak
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^

ashen warren
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I use that one loads, it's great for bosses.

mystic cloak
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It can be a little bit disruptive, but still gives you a full world view of the area allowing for easy tracking if necessary

reef mountain
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That map makes not bonking into blocks very difficult.

ashen warren
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lmao

reef mountain
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Especially in hell.

mystic cloak
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Open up hell more

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make a more available arena for the fight

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Hell stretches pretty far up for it's biome

ashen warren
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Maybe you can try to like mine out every block in hell as preparation? so that you don't encounter block bonking

reef mountain
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Any more and she’ll enrage.

ancient dragon
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(Are you gonna keep beating around the bush here? We've given several counterclaims and you just pick the ones you can reply to without acknowledging the ones you cannot refute.)

ashen warren
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what

mystic cloak
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also imo you wanna do hallow prov first then hell prov

reef mountain
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?

mystic cloak
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You can expand it upwards

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and can also dig down, what a revelation

ashen warren
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She doesn't enrage when there's no ash blocks in hell

reef mountain
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True.

ashen warren
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It's based on depth

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"Those"?

reef mountain
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Nothin.

ashen warren
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you want something that gives straight up half the maxium dr cap

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unnerfed

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Un-nerf the worm scarf in revengence.
I wish this is a revengence exclusive change because the revengence defense nerf.
wat

reef mountain
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That’s because the dr cap was too low.

ashen warren
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the dr cap is low so it doesn't let you facetank bosses

sleek wadi
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1/3rd off of all damage is too low apparently

ashen warren
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You see

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with 33% dr cap, some people can already facetank post ml bosses

sleek wadi
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Well, all except Scal because Scal has smelly minimum damage.

ashen warren
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what do you think would happen if that was increased and shit

sleek wadi
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Yeah Melee literally can't die to Polterghast if they don't get nommed.

ancient dragon
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Okay but Seq's point is that it's a blatant contradiction.

reef mountain
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The reason it was nerfed had nothing to do with gaving too much dr, but rather ‘to get it in line with the bloody worm scarf’

ancient widget
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How do you know?

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It was nerfed because it gave too much DR.

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And stop saying otherwise.

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So it's good to have an item obtained at almost the very beginning of the game that gives a load of DR? More than most other items?

mystic cloak
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This man's talking about more damage taking issues ._.

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Again.

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btw, Hello fabby.

ancient widget
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Hi

pale bluff
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I genuinely want a Terra Crusher Blade

ancient widget
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Melee right now post-ML is too powerful in fact.

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It's ridiculous

ashen warren
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It is an eventful day, fab has blessed us with his presence. cryotada

mystic cloak
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I think personally, if we were to go for suggestions on accessory changes, we add something to rogue (rogue bias coming out here), which builds off of the raider's talisman

ancient dragon
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Also reminder that the reasons you listed for it being 'obsolete' are:
• Victide only gives you its greater boosts underwater. Good luck making arenas based around that.
• The Reaver Shark is a fucking pain in the ass to get and is usually disowned by everyone ever that praises progression of any kind.
• Intended part of the 'segmented bosses' mechanic, also disregarded because easily exploitable to craft basically anything else that requires it by mindlessly bashing your head against the boss for a few tries until you have enough.

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There is no valid argument in any of those reasons.

ancient widget
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@frail mantle Nope, I beat DoG with a long line of dirt blocks, and only one line.

mystic cloak
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Raider's talisman feels so lackluster, and only really shines at full potential (damage boost) once you get WAY later in the game (This is referring to proficiency, and crit stacking as the game becomes later on)

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that's just my opinion though

frail mantle
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that makes you a masochist HDfailure

ancient widget
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Well it was fun

mystic cloak
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but I would like to see more rogue focused/rogue expanding accesories

ancient widget
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Died 13 times

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But I did it

frail mantle
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i wouldn't even dare to do anything like it

mystic cloak
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because rogue emblem doesn't really get anything fancy to it, whilst ranged gets the daedalus emblem, melee gets the elemental gauntlet, etc.

ancient widget
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Raider's is very good

mystic cloak
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Yeah, but only much later on when one has access to a lot of rogue crit.

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And rogue doesn't really have many "exclusive" or I guess "expanding" accesories

ancient widget
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Not until the actual rogue update.

mystic cloak
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when other classes have the same options which can go farther, and have more (previously mentioned daedalus emblem etc.)

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A rogue update is planned?

ancient widget
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Rogue wasn't going to be amazing the moment we implemented it.

mystic cloak
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Yeah, I get that

ashen warren
mystic cloak
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I just wish there was a little bit more unique stuff/substance to their accessories because my other two friends are playing ranged and melee

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and I feel kinda outshined ;u;

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Rogue's always been my favourite for some reason lol

ancient widget
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ye

ashen warren
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'spansion

ancient widget
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Not 002, I need to edit that, it's 1.4.2.2

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Since 1.4.2.002 already came out

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So rogue expansion is pretty close

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Next largish update is 1.4.2.1

ashen warren
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I'll take a new screencap then.

mystic cloak
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I have never been so excited lol

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I always felt really frustrated that throwing never got any love in terraria (vanilla)

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So I'm glad that it gets the respect it needed in this mod 😃

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Plus, it is one of the best mods out there when it comes to content imo, but that's just cause I like playing the mod lol-and it always is being expanded on

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my rogue bias is showing help

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Lol

ancient widget
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There, fixed it

ancient dragon
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(You should probably move from this channel by now, Fen. The kind words are surely appreciated but unbefitting of the topic here.)

mystic cloak
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(Gotcha.)

ancient dragon
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Thank you.

ancient widget
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Thanks though

quiet abyss
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mystic cloak
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Anyways, returning to the topic of worm scarf, the DR is far too strong in comparison for something that can be obtained so early, and it would make a lot of the post game content a lot more irrelevant/less threatening if that were to be implemented. These things were made to be challenging, there's no point in deducting from said challenge.

quiet abyss
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^

mystic cloak
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As well as it being readily available to all classes, when in reality melee is the only one really meant to be "tanky", and even still, one does not simply try to stop a Devourer of Gods with his face with a wormy boy wrapped around him.

frail mantle
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i've noticed that Terrarium tends to come with suggestions to change things, without fully understanding really why the thing is like that

sleek wadi
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Damnit, now I want the upcoming config file to have a DR cap disabler so that I can walk up to DoG's face and only take 30 damage.

ashen warren
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I noticed that from his second suggestion to fuck with the rev caps.

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I remember using worm scarf until bloody moon lord in my first vanilla expert.
I proceeded to never use it again, it was way too strong.

ruby cobalt
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titanium exists btw

sleek wadi
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Worm Scarf is easily the best expert drop, at least in vanilla.

frail mantle
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^

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it stronk

ashen warren
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Compare that to the garbage brain of confusion.

sleek wadi
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Brain of Confusion is such a fuckin' meme, an on-damaged accessory that only has a CHANCE of activating and doesn't work on bosses because literally all of them are immune to confused? Surely this is a worthy contender for the Worm Scarf.

frail mantle
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i like how Ningishu explained why the Brain of Confusion is bad: "You have to take damage to activate it's effect, but in Expert mode, it's important not to get hit at all"

mystic cloak
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This is why the upgrade was implemented so that it actually became a SMART choice/actually worth using.

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By the way, the idea you put up for the WoF summon staff, I swear I have seen that sort of idea reminiscent to that, but I don't remember what mod it was. Or maybe I'm delusional. Very good idea though. Maybe another mechanic instead of the "leeching" it could fire out mini hungries of sorts (the worms. I don't remember specific name), which would bite the enemy, and then return to the player (akin to spectre armor almost) and give health back?

sleek wadi
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You can buy the other boss item from Dryad.

hardy sparrow
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Oh.......

arctic wren
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is there a reason why summons not being able to target leviathan ever is still a thing

sinful violet
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We don't consider other mods when making changes to calamity unless it's game breaking.

mystic cloak
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I'm sorry @hardy sparrow but that suggestion is kinda dumb. Just because imksushi has the exchange doesn't mean the recipe should be changed to something that doesn't even match the concept of the upgrade path.

ashen warren
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Reason: the IMKSushi mod
nice

sinful violet
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I'm gonna delete the suggestion since it's pointless.

arctic wren
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like seriously it makes the fight way stupider than it should be as a summoner

mystic cloak
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Are you sure it isn't just because they're targeting siren, or is it just a bug on your end?

sinful violet
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Don't know why you're asking here unless you want to suggest something for it? Because I'm pretty sure that's not supposed to be happening.

mystic cloak
#

Maybe a suggestion along the lines of "Make leviathan's minion targetting more accurate" or something

ancient widget
#

Leviathan can be homed in on and targeted by summons.

mystic cloak
#

Idk. I haven't ever heard of anything like that

ancient widget
#

The suggestion would be moot.

arctic wren
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I know it can be but it seems rather... buggy. It's happened on all my summoner playthroughs on just that fight. shrug

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maybe it's due to the fact she constantly summons minions? idk

ashen warren
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You could try right-clicking.
60% of the time it works every time.

arctic wren
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even the wiki kinda notes it

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Minions don't seem to be able to target the Leviathan and will kill the Siren instead, so Summoners might want to switch gear for this encounter.

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though

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that might be from ages past

ruby cobalt
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There really needs to be
no

ashen warren
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Is that just a ripoff of amadias?

pale bluff
#

nah

ashen warren
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In the very same mod that adds him?

mystic cloak
#

That friggin hive mind one what is this.

pale bluff
#

Cephalus is supposed to sell Seafood and the Gatligator without needing to use a Travelling Merchant

ashen warren
#

That hive suggestion is downright meme-worthy.

mystic cloak
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Hive Mind is meant to be a boss you fight after the DoW. Not a super boss. Jesus christ man.

frosty kindle
#

you meant EoW?

pale bluff
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DoW?

mystic cloak
#

Eater, devourer

arctic wren
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oi m8 it's a pre-hm boss LUL

mystic cloak
#

they're still hungry boys

ashen warren
#

Bootleg Supreme Calamitas lol

mystic cloak
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and I am tired

ashen warren
#

summons a big shade rain cloud which is like Yharon's flarenado
sweating

mystic cloak
#

😨 Fuckin what

narrow forge
#

bless the rains

ashen warren
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@sudden sedge we don't need to buff a phm boss thanks

frosty kindle
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a bullet-hell like boss in Pre-HM is NOT gonna be a thing

mystic cloak
#

Bless the rains down in corrupt-ica

frosty kindle
#

especially when preHM limits your movement options so much

ashen warren
#

exactly fish

arctic wren
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might as well give king slime scal's hellblasts

frosty kindle
#

like, you move at a crawl at best in pHM

ancient dragon
#

Gonna take some time to review the ideas I never haaaaAaAAAad.

mystic cloak
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LOL NAH FUCK THAT MAKE SLIME GOD GO AT DEVOURER OF GODS SPEEDS

ashen warren
#

Is he dead?

mystic cloak
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AND MAKE THAT MAN INSTA KILL

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NOW THATS A REAL SUGGESTION thonk

ancient widget
#

I got one

frosty kindle
#

no need for caps but i do understand where you're getting at

ashen warren
#

Just give cnidrions the lorde ai.

sleek wadi
#

WoF now moves at max speed immediately, and gets EVEN FASTER from there.

narrow forge
#

WoF is now Sonic

ancient widget
#

Disable all mods that contain OP items that could ruin the experience and cause more brainlets to make stupid balance change suggestions.

mystic cloak
#

^

ancient dragon
#

Please trim down on the jokes for a bit, thank you.

mystic cloak
#

Now that's a REAL suggestion

frosty kindle
#

oh boy, he's typing up another suggestion

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what's next? implement masomode AI into calamity?

ashen warren
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balance is overrated iirc

ancient dragon
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Then play Death Mode, @sudden sedge.

pale bluff
#

I find it odd that people actually like the idea to Cephalus the Seafood Seller ono

ancient widget
#

Play Armageddon

ancient dragon
#

I suggest Death because that's the mode in which Hive Mind's full budget is locked to, at least last time I checked.

pale bluff
#

doesn't Hive Mind behave like a more chill BoC?

mystic cloak
#

I wonder if this might be a valid suggestion, but adding a sort of exo/legendary evolution kinda like the dratomalius ( ithinkthatswhatit'scalled ), but I don't really know if that'd be possible because 1. they were special rewards for doing difficult shit
and 2. Exo weapons take a lot of thought behind them, and fabby doesn't like rogues. kek

ancient dragon
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A more interesting BoC, if anything.

ashen warren
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chill
ahahahaha, no

mystic cloak
#

IDK what do you guys think?

ashen warren
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It dashes quite fast.

arctic wren
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more spastic is how I'd describe it

ancient dragon
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Smh Fab likes Rogue, it's why he created the idea in the first place. And yeah, stuff like Drata/Apoth is reserved to reward items.

frosty kindle
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also Rogue was made so none of the devs had to deal with Vanilla code crap

arctic wren
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you mean I can't make my special custom weapon which needs 200 yharim's gifts? Kappa

mystic cloak
#

Uhh no.

ancient dragon
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Vanilla is good. epic

frosty kindle
#

and also mention: vanilla devs gave life to throwing just to let it die

mystic cloak
#

Is an exo-weapon still a worth suggestion for rogue though? I think they only have one (Celestus) currently

ashen warren
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Kill scal with urchin stingers or some shit, that'll get a rogue reward item.

ancient widget
#

almost like having a kid and then drowning them in the toilet a year later

ancient dragon
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dagjkljhaKDGHO FAB.

ancient widget
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poor throwing

narrow forge
#

oddly specific

ancient dragon
#

THAT'S NOT PG-13.

mystic cloak
ancient widget
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I'm not PG-13

mystic cloak
#

I mean

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Have you SEEN THE DRUNK PRINCESS'S LINES

arctic wren
mystic cloak
#

Suggestion: Add even more innuendos to drunk princess

ancient widget
#

Sorry I just really dislike how throwing went in vanilla

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it should have never existed

ruby cobalt
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gotta nerf ranged btw

mystic cloak
#

And it should involve heart of the elements

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and all the waifus

ruby cobalt
#

oh fuck we gotta commit well lets not

mystic cloak
#

"Wow, and I thought I had a good harem-look at you! 5 girls all to yourself."

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😉

frosty kindle
#

by the very least vanilla devs could've made it a mainline class alongside the more popular others

pale bluff
#

is that a Monster Musume reference?

mystic cloak
#

I mean, maaaaybe.

sinful violet
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🔫

night cradle
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^^^^

mystic cloak
#

But it would be cool if she said something about the waifus (Drunk princess does like females after all.)

frosty kindle
sinful violet
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what waifus

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there are none

frosty kindle
#

HDfailure nice

ancient dragon
#

What are wife-you?

frosty kindle
#

oh god dammit just as we speak/mock such, a suggestion about it appears.

mystic cloak
#

I am true to my word HyperFailure

ancient widget
#

Don't forget "Implied sexual encounter with Permafrost"

mystic cloak
#

That too.

ancient dragon
#

p-please,,,

frosty kindle
#

though you might have been true to your word, was such action necessary?

mystic cloak
#

She thirsty, she could say about drinking up siren waifu's "ocean" because she needs a drink 😉

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god I am evil and I love it.

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"And I thought MY bust was big, but that brimstone elemental is something else!"

pale bluff
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I might make Cephalus' Suggestion have dialogue about how the Drunk Princess tried to replace his water until he literally slapped her with a fish until saying he doesn't put booze in his cuisines for the sake of the children

ashen warren
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You were so preoccupied with whether or not you could, you didn't stop to think if you should.

mystic cloak
#

It must be, simply because it can be.

ashen warren
#

Nice self-star. HyperEthanJudge

mystic cloak
#

And it also does match her character.

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Henkhenk I know, I am the only one who truly likes this idea

pale bluff
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ok, I added the Dialogue I was planning to add to my Cephalus Suggestion Henkhenk

novel pebble
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But they’re no longer called waifus

pale bluff
#

they're called Madame's and Ladies (I think)

strong yew
#

Elementals*

pale bluff
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me bad

clear basin
#

@frail mantle the famished rod is ripped straight from spirit

frail mantle
#

wait what

strong yew
#
Spirit Mod Wiki

The Famine Scepter is a Hardmode summon weapon. It spawns a Hungry Minion that follows the player and attacks enemies via latching onto them. Uniquely, the summoned Hungry Minion will have fleshy chains attached to the player. This prevents the summoned Hungry Minion from mov...

frail mantle
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i haven't even played spirit once slobbyjoy

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delet time i guess

strong yew
#

rip suggestion almost has 100 stars

frail mantle
sudden quail
#

I... I like mining obsidian

frail mantle
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that makes you nobody apparently Henkhenk

sonic quest
#

ey me too

arctic wren
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but obsidian is easy to get

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fun or not I really don't see a need

ashen warren
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Crawlers were because gems were annoying to find.
Not so much anymore with the introduction of planetoids however they're still super useful for amber.
Obsidian is just water + lava.

pliant bone
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You'll come across obsidian anyway when making a hellevator

ashen warren
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You can dig in a straight line downwards anywhere and by the time you reach the lava layer you should be golden.

languid ermine
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wdym you don't buy obsidian from * insert mod npc *

ashen warren
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Then you can bomb it, no nightmare pick required.

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ew, architect npc

languid ermine
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obsidian is not hard to find tho

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like gems

pliant bone
#

Seriously, you will come across obsidian while you are digging for a hellevator

languid ermine
#

you can litteraly make a generator and have infinite obsidian
post skele

ashen warren
#

Why post skele

tired haven
#

Not sure either

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Maybe pumps but like, "infinite bucket" tech duh

strong yew
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pre-skeletron if u have luiafk

lapis kernel
#

What does DR mean

ashen warren
#

Damage reduction.

frail mantle
tired haven
#

^

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Besides, modpacks mostly are pretty irrelevant as content mods crossing is 95% of the time worse than playing them separately

devout basin
#

in hindsight i should have thought so

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eh, its an idea

quick dove
#

what kind of suggestion is this

arctic wren
ashen warren
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@cedar apex yo can you dont

quick dove
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sequence please bless this bein with your holy hammer

ashen warren
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@opal barn

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when did i have a hammer?

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this is news to me.

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give it.

opal barn
#

bruh just as I left

quick dove
ruby cobalt
#

turbobruh

ashen warren
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Well since he refused to change pfp's and proceeded with a meme suggestion you can decide with the punishment ig

quick dove
#

and so the world was saved by teradad

open umbra
#

@cedar apex at least your account name is right, RIP bro

ashen warren
#

@opal barn "funny" guy again.

frail mantle
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eggs dee that suggestion is the funniest thing ever i sure hope it is implemented

quick dove
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what is with this guy

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true providespaciot...

languid ermine
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Fate Lancer GWspcKya

fast helm
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I've had an idea for a suggestion
but I don't know if a similar item exists or not

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(also, are you supposed to go here to talk about suggestions you want to make?)

ashen warren
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Yes, it's in the pins.

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You can even post the complete thing here, in fact it's recommended.

languid ermine
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i don't think Gae Bolg would be as cool in terraria tho thonk

fast helm
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My idea is an accessory that halfs HP and boosts damage.

ashen warren
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Sounds op for nohitters tbh.

placid moth
#

^

ashen warren
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Unless it's roughly reaper/soul artifact tier that's stronk.

placid moth
#

Basically pre-many updates defiled but on steroids

fast helm
#

the reason is because there isn't really much of a "glass cannon" playstyle in Terraria
You have max HP or you're doing a challenge run

placid moth
#

Interesting.

ashen warren
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there isn't really much of a "glass cannon" playstyle in Terraria
uh, not really?

frail mantle
#

Reaper Tooth Necklace would like a word with you

ashen warren
#

There are plenty of glassy options.

frail mantle
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Dimensional soul artifact too, for that matter

ashen warren
#

blood pact Using all damage boosting accs for one.

languid ermine
#

reaper tooth + amulet
you just die

frail mantle
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either way, there is most definitely a bunch of ways to play glass cannon in calamity

languid ermine
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and deal phat dmg

ashen warren
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pinkie type longg

quiet abyss
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Reaper tooth necklace and dimensional soul artifact exist, but those are post-polter and post-DoG respectively
Perhaps he want the acc to be obtained way earlier?
Though technically, "glass cannon" just means focusing only on offense and no defense

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So the playstyle definitely exists even in vanilla terraria

frail mantle
#

^

placid moth
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Btw, why even have psychotic amulet for auric tesla headgears recipe

languid ermine
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you can go like me and stuff youself with 6 dmg boosters and tracer

ashen warren
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If you ran say, emblem, void, stress, laudanum and.. SoC. then that's glassy.

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All menacing duh.

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In this case SoC is soul of cryo. Not shield of eyeball.

quiet abyss
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An idea for an accessory that's high risk high reward though, I can get behind.
So long as the offset isn't too much, and the benefit isn't too overpowered.

placid moth
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fargo souls

quiet abyss
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Half hp would mean that the boost has to be quite high to compensate for the much less room for mistakes.

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But not too high

ashen warren
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Halving would likely incur a pretty high boost, making it essentially a given for all nohits.

quiet abyss
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Dps limits exist so that'd basically be dq bait SmugBrimmy

novel vine
#

all irish mythology is a big YES in my book

ashen warren
placid moth
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dps caps still exist ?

quiet abyss
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If you mean actual ingame dps caps

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Only Yharon and SCal have them, and both only trigger if you use stupidly overpowered weapons

ashen warren
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Yea, can't be above a certain number for too long or your nohit isn't valid.

quiet abyss
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But in nohits? Ye, there's dps limits for almsot everything

placid moth
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Oof ok

languid ermine
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well not everybody plays with nohits in mind
maybe someone just wants to playthrough as a glass cannon GWpinkuSadOtato

quiet abyss
#

Indeed

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Though it's more a sidenote than a major point.
High risk high reward accs may benefit nohitters greatly (or be dq baits), but they should still be aimed for the general audience, not nohitting

languid ermine
#

if it's too op for nohit judges can just ban it

quiet abyss
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I'm one of the judges so HDfailure

ashen warren
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Honestly there are a lot of bosses where an acc that halves hp would force a nohit anyway.

quiet abyss
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Btw Dps limits for nohits are designed in a way where you shouldn't even reach them unless you're using a really stupidly powerful setup.
Like, you'd have to pull some questionable shits to go over the 90,000 dps limit for Yharon LUL

ashen warren
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Or an only 1 hit tbh.

quiet abyss
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Ofc, dps spikes do happens so we also have minimum nohit lengths as a second measure for dps.
But this is getting rather offtopic now.

languid ermine
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a buff that gives you scaling damage for each second you don't have the chaos state debuff
it resets when you have cs

placid moth
#

^

languid ermine
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to reward ppl who don't dodge with rod

fast helm
#

Should I post my suggestion?

languid ermine
#

yeah

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go for it

quiet abyss
#

What are the boosts for it you have in mind if I may ask?

fast helm
#

...Just extra damage?

quiet abyss
#

I mean, how much it's going to be
Perhaps jsut give a range of value, not the exact value

languid ermine
#

I'm gonna put my buff idea in a suggestion

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may i

#

?

fast helm
#

I don't know
Maybe 20-30%?

quiet abyss
#

Sure, but then how is the buff going to be obtained?
Drink a potion, eat some kind of consumable or...?

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20-30% for half hp seems a little bit low imo, especially considering how hard the later bosses hit.
I'd say around 35% - 40%

fast helm
#

Okay

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Posting the suggestion now

languid ermine
#

a potion

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hardmode+

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potion of harmony

fast helm
#
:why: It'll add a risk-reward system- you'll deal a lot more damage, but the bosses can also easily take you out, sometimes in a single hit.```
Does this work?
quiet abyss
#

Sounds cool, any recipe in mind for the potion?

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And that looks good

quick dove
#

seems nice

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coupling that with reaper tooth and artifact, the omega glass cannon

ashen warren
#

The instant DQ build.

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Isn't it an accessory and not a potion?

languid ermine
#

my idea is a potion

ashen warren
#

o

languid ermine
#

his is an acc

fast helm
ashen warren
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"a buff that gives you scaling damage for each second you don't have the chaos state debuff
it resets when you have cs" their idea namess

lost agate
#

Wouldnt that be op if i dont use any of those two?

ashen warren
#

shit it's almost 4 am
Well, 'night guys.

fast helm
#

cya

young fog
#

hey, its a reverse blood pact

quiet abyss
#

See ya 👋

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I'll have to go too, so

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GNight y'all 👋

lost agate
#

Bye poss and sequence

fast helm
#

cya

tired haven
#

Nohit pot

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lel

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And cya pinkie

lost agate
languid ermine
#

potion of harmony

water bottle + chaos fish + light and dark shards

each second you don't have the chaos state debuff you get increased damage
1% each second up to 30% (30 seconds to max charge)
if you get the chaos state debuff this bonus will reset and only start charging again once the chaos state debuff passes

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what do you think

fast helm
#

nice

lost agate
#

I think its too strong

young fog
#

that's op if you don't use Rod

languid ermine
#

thats to reward dodging without rod

lost agate
#

Too much reward to not use something optional

young fog
#

as in if you don't own rod

lost agate
#

Also, as i said, imagine the dmg i would get on that video

languid ermine
#

maybe 15% instead

fast helm
#

How about make it a buff
And it only applies if you have the Rod of Discord

lost agate
#

You still would get the dmg

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You have it yes, but that doesnt mean you will use it

languid ermine
#

oh i know
what about mobility instead

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like movespeed

fast helm
#

So you trade off Teleportation -> Speed?

lost agate
#

Idk, it seems unnecesary to me

languid ermine
fast helm
#

Honestly sounds stupid
It would make attacks like Scals bullet hell HARDER to dodge

lost agate
#

You get punished for using rod, why would you be rewarded to not do it?

fast helm
#

You would run INTO the bullets

languid ermine
#

I'll drop the idea then

lost agate
#

Or not

fast helm
#

I mean, might be useful for some of the bosses
But for some it would make it harder

languid ermine
#

summoner and rogue hardmode ore armors was already suggested

placid moth
#

oh ok.

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hm, should I still leave it there ?

fast helm
#

The potion sounds useful for bosses like PBG

elder sparrow
#

A question

languid ermine
#

ima just put the harmony pot on my mod instead if i can

elder sparrow
#

Do you think brimstone elemental and aquatic scourge can have less underwhelming aftermaths? After all cryo gives you a good npc

placid moth
#

probably

languid ermine
#

well brimmy gives herself to you

radiant meadow
#

cryo also unlocks cryonic ore

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and drops more weapons than the other 2

elder sparrow
#

Just curious as to why cryo is rather easy yet seemingly has the most benefits

placid moth
#

Does it ?

elder sparrow
#

And easy isn't an opinion he was designed to be introductory to hm calamity

languid ermine
#

it's basically to help you get through the others

elder sparrow
#

Just wanna put that question out there

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Kind of intriguing

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I kind of want to expand on what scourge has in store

languid ermine
#

well for rangers you kill cryo and then it's gg

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megashark and titanium until post plantera

elder sparrow
#

Any class can kill cryo

languid ermine
#

i know but rangers get a weapon to get through all the other 5, clone and plantera

elder sparrow
#

I see

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Yeah megashark is quite good

languid ermine
#

you only change it for the megalodon or Chaingun

elder sparrow
#

Ranger tends to have weapons like that where it'll stick with you for quite a while

languid ermine
#

yeah

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and they're quite op too

fast helm
#

daedules stormbow

elder sparrow
#

We don't talk about that kthx

cyan lagoon
#

huh @ashen warren

#

what are you suggesting? its really confusing

tulip parcel
#

oh, ghostcrawler got to 65

#

neat

novel pebble
#

I think he is saying that rage’s damage boost should be nerfed to 50% — And instead, make the player not consume any Ammo/Mana, and increase the attack speed of weapons.

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Since “Adrenaline and Rage are too similar”.

ashen warren
#

yeah

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they pretty much do the same thing

frail mantle
#

Except they don’t

ashen warren
#

they increase damage

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regardless of how much or how you get them

frail mantle
#

Arden is much stronger than rage, and is therefore harder to get

ashen warren
#

the result will be the same, more damage

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so instead of rage doing a lot more damage let it do just more damage and faster weapons

#

and adrenaline doing a shit ton of more damage

frail mantle
#

Also what about the P90? Would it’s only benefit from Rage be barely any extra damage and 5 seconds of ammo reservation?

sleek wadi
#

Don't rage and adrenaline provide the same damage boost, just with different ways of getting it?

ashen warren
#

You also neglect that memee would be cut under here

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no rage does +100% and adr does +250%

#

Dude, rage is given upon true melee strikes

frail mantle
#

In rev, at least

#

It’s higher in Death

sleek wadi
#

Yeah this change would really hurt the main user of rage, true melee.

ashen warren
#

Unless by shoot faster, you meant swing speed.

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wait im gonna do the math @frail mantle

sleek wadi
#

They barely get a benefit from the use-time reduction because it is already super low. So to them it'd be a nerf to damage.

ashen warren
#

lets say rage does +50% dmg and +50% more speed

sleek wadi
#

Also wouldn't that get negated by the melee speed cap immediately considering melee already reachs the cap easily?

ashen warren
#

so p90 does 3600 bullets / m each dealing 3+bullet damage

#

lets take regular bullets

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10 damage x 3600 = 36000/m, if rage does +50% then it would do 5400x10 = 54000/m, now if instead + 250 damage then 35x3600 = 126000 / m

#

so p90 would still benefit more from adrenaline

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in fact way more

sleek wadi
#

He's saying that p90 gets screwed over because it already at the cap.

ashen warren
#

hm

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oh wait i didnt count the +50%

#

anyway if thats true then p90 would not benefit from rage

#

only +50% more damage

#

im not sure if getting over the cap crashes the game or something

#

It just stops

frail mantle
#

It physically can’t get above the cap

ashen warren
#

^

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so even if you add it the quick modifier it will stay 3600/m

rapid pivot
#

um

sleek wadi
#

Also, the boost you're suggesting for firerate/melee speed already goes 15-20% over the melee speed cap. btw Stellar Striker with 50% melee speed boost kills DoG phase 2 in 5 seconds. I'd rather rage just be a damage boost.

frail mantle
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It can’t get reforges that increase firing speed since it physically cannot become faster

ashen warren
#

if thats the case, p90 would only benefit 50% more damage from rage

rapid pivot
#

if you are not bringing a crapload of ammo to a boss fight

lost agate
#

Now all yoyos will break

rapid pivot
#

(which it would be, mind you, since you're bringing up adren)

ashen warren
#

Unlimited ammo

rapid pivot
#

that's on you for not adequately preparing

lost agate
#

Nobody wants to boost attack speed because yoyos

ashen warren
#

im not talking about the velocity of the projectile, im talking about how fast the thing shoots like it will shoot more projectiles

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Yoyo spagetti

fiery juniper
#

flying nimbus would be a good mount right?

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idk

ashen warren
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use time =/= velocity

lost agate
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It would still break yoyos i think

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And some weapons would be op with that

sleek wadi
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That, and True Melee would snap everything else in half like tiny twig. True Melee is only supposed to have like, twice or thrice the amount of DPS as other classes, not so much that it murders bosses in seconds.

lost agate
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Yeah thats why theres a melee speed cap

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A hardcap rather

ashen warren
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wait what if it instead of speed it increased critical strike chance

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to 100%

sleek wadi
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Might make it too good when stacked with adrenaline.

frail mantle
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What about summoners smugyon

sleek wadi
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Oh, and them.

frail mantle
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They can’t even deal crits

ashen warren
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also i suggest that when rage is activated pressing B will do nothing and vice versa

rapid pivot
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wat

ashen warren
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bcus rage stacked with adrenaline is just stupid

rapid pivot
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you can reset binds

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wat

ashen warren
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make stacking rage and adrenaline impossible

rapid pivot
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why

ashen warren
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beacause its op and stupid

sleek wadi
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Doesn't double ripper deal less over all DPS though???

ashen warren
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to have them both

rapid pivot
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adrenaline and rage stacking already has consequences

ashen warren
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yes it deals less overall

rapid pivot
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most likely, you'd have to hold on a full adren bar til your rage is full

ashen warren
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still they would be better off unstackable

rapid pivot
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and holding onto adrenaline bars when they're full significantly decreases damage when you actually use it

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you do realize that you lose adrenaline when you're hit, right?

ashen warren
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yeah

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heart of darkness

lost agate
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Also, getting crits is a nono

rapid pivot
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The heart of darkness is a slow, terrible accessory

lost agate
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Thats literally why lucky reforges got nerfed

ashen warren
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still it is possible to gain rage without getting hit

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mid fight

rapid pivot
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have you ever actually USED the heart of darkness

sleek wadi
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Lategame you get full rage from getting smacked in the face once. So the only way to feasibly get both at once MORE THAN ONCE is to build adren, then eat some contact damage from Yharon during the capped adren, and survive the hit.

lost agate
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Like what, 3-4 minutes to get rage with heart of darkness

rapid pivot
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3-4 minutes in a boss fight is a long time

sleek wadi
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Also you have to let it rip immediately after that and not get hit again to keep the rage boost.

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3-4 minutes IS the boss fight in all but 2 cases.

lost agate
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Not even my scal nohit took 4 minutes

ashen warren
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still though, rage and adrenaline shouldn't do the same thing beacause they kinda seem like the devs were thinking "uhm if we put one limit break in it would be boring better off 2 uhm lets add another one that does the same thing but weaker"

lost agate
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Uh no

rapid pivot
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wot

lost agate
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Thats totally not how they work

rapid pivot
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adrenaline is to reward players for not getting hit, isn't it?

sleek wadi
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Do you even know what rage does when you don't let it rip?

lost agate
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They work very very differently

ashen warren
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still they do the same thing

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regardless of how they are charged

lost agate
frail mantle
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Not really

ashen warren
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adrenaline: boosts damage a lot! rage: boosts damage a lot! ( but not a lot )

sleek wadi
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Rage gives access to Heart Attack. Not the same thing.

rapid pivot
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do you know what happens when you don't use a full adrenaline bar? say, if you were waiting for your rage bar to fill up?

ashen warren
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heart attack is something minor though

lost agate
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Man, sised

ashen warren
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yeah adrenaline should be used immidientaly

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but still rage should do something diffrent

sleek wadi
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A max health and regen boost, as well as damage with Draedon's Heart, is minor?

ashen warren
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Haha time for more of these things hahayes
I'll just leave you guys be

frail mantle
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Adrenaline is nohit fuel, rage is facetank fuel until you use it, and then it’s nohit fuel for five seconds until it’s facetank fuel again

lost agate
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Have i ever told you how much i hate people that over simplify things?

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Its not just haha have dmg

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Theres much more to it

ashen warren
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at latest they shouldn't stack

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Why not

rapid pivot
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why not

devout seal
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Rage and adrenaline aren't similar though?
Adrenaline is for if you're playing better then normal
Rage is if you're getting hit

rapid pivot
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or if you're doing true melee

devout seal
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so, if you can get both
why exactly should one be nerfed, and why shouldn't they stack?

lost agate
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On rev you dont get much from using both

sleek wadi
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Stacking is worse then chaining them though. There is no reason to prevent stacking.

devout seal
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Yeah

rapid pivot
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generally speaking, they're generated in ways that are completely contradictory

ashen warren
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i just feel like the game would be better if you werent able to just VB DESTROY

rapid pivot
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the only time when adren and rage are that absurdly powerful are in death mode, to my understanding

lost agate
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Are you talking about death rippers?

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Because fucking duh

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Theyre obviously strong

sleek wadi
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Death rippers are supposed to do that though. Death is a gimmick mode.

ashen warren
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Rev as a standpoint then basing off of death rippers
Noice

devout seal
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Death is a bullshit mode
of course the player's going to have their own form of bullshit

ashen warren
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Actually no thats vice versa

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Fuck

sleek wadi
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Rev is to proud as death is to critical, if that makes sense.

frail mantle
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Well you can’t just VB destroy because Adren and rage are available on a difficulty where nothing is VB destroyed

devout seal
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Some things are though, adrenaline earlygame just kinda.. wrecks boss health

frail mantle
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I guess so

sleek wadi
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Early game has a lot of cheese, like dynamite against WoF and literally any AoE against worms.

rapid pivot
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hm, maybe there's an argument to be made for nerfing rage/adren damage until after hardmode starts?

ashen warren
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still they are limit break style buffs and they shouldn't stack

lost agate
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Death mode is literally high risk = high reward

ashen warren
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^

devout seal
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Why shouldn't they stack?

lost agate
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Man, your arguments are weak

devout seal
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It's hard to get adrenaline in the first place against later bosses.

ashen warren
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beacause it just sounds stupid to stack 2 limit breaks

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and it is

devout seal
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so, why wouldn't it stack if it's hard to get?

lost agate
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Why

rapid pivot
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they're not 'limit breaks'

lost agate
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Just because you say so?

ashen warren
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Why is it stupid

rapid pivot
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they're not final fantasy-style superattacks

lost agate
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^

rapid pivot
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they're ways to reward different playstyles

frail mantle
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Essentially, you’re saying “make them not stack because it give stronk damege lol”

rapid pivot
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and player ability

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and if you can somehow find a way to stack them both on top of each other

ashen warren
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beacause the player shouldn't deal an extreme amount of dps in a short amount of time, the health bar shouldnt just be full.. kinda full.. very high.. vb: kinda low

rapid pivot
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you do realize this is calamity, right

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on revengeance mode

devout seal
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Where bosses can hit you for like 500 health in one attack, right?

ashen warren
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I'm in awe of this man rn

rapid pivot
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where HP counts soar into the skies

devout seal
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Increased difficulty means increased power, rev needs rage and adrenaline to be more fun if you know how to use them

ashen warren
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still bosses should not have their health bar dropped in 5 seconds, at latest it should follow a flow not like explode from full to low

rapid pivot
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name one boss where that has happened to you that isn't pre-hardmode

ashen warren
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which boss are you 100-0ing in 5 seconds

sleek wadi
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But rage already does flow when using True Melee?

lost agate
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Are you still talking about death? UGH

rapid pivot
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or death

lost agate
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Ever did rev

ashen warren
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worm bosses + piercing + rage + adrenaline

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I mean adren and rage are there to add a increased burst of damage, plus its rev, alot less feasible to like instakill bosses with adren

lost agate
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Worm bosses are fragile yes

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Obviousky

rapid pivot
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that is a well-known issue

sleek wadi
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True Melee has a wavy DPS pattern compared to this "explosion" you're talking about. Also that is worms just getting bodied by piercing.

ashen warren
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so Dog with piercing melts in 5 seconds? HDfailure

rapid pivot
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ever tried something like that on, say, polterghast?

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or even the WoF?

ashen warren
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at latest nerf the damage increase percentage in prehm beacause you can cheese those bosses with adrenaline

livid coral
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How are you melting bosses I'd like to know because I've been having a lot of difficulty with the bosses

rapid pivot
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that, i think, would be fair

frail mantle
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Most worm bosses are susceptible to hihg™ amounts of damage so they have a hihg™ amount of health

sleek wadi
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Every boss in pre-HM gets bodied by something, no reason to nerf it.

livid coral
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Alternative you can like, not use adrenaline and rage.

lost agate
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Yeah

sleek wadi
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Hell, pre-HM bosses can literally just die out of nowhere due to falling stars.

lost agate
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Nobody is forcing you

livid coral
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We have an option of that coming soon

devout seal
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Or wait for the next update, which lets you disable them

rapid pivot
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or just like

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never use adrenaline

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if you still like rage or whatever

ashen warren
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you add a feature to the game and your like uhm if you want a proper fight dont use adrenaline

lost agate
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....

devout seal
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wow.

rapid pivot
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nobody is saying 'if you want a proper fight, don't use adrenaline'

livid coral
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squints

rapid pivot
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we're saying 'if you don't like using adrenaline, don't use adrenaline

livid coral
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Listen man we allow everybody to play the game how they want.

ashen warren
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i like adrenaline they just shouldnt stack

lost agate
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Ofc everyone is so fucking good at the game they get adren on death like it was nothing

rapid pivot
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yeah; and you can NOT STACK THEM.

devout seal
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Sised, you're switching arguments

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stick to one

rapid pivot
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stacking is a deliberate choice you have to make

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just don't do it if you think it's bad

sleek wadi
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Not to mention, also the wrong choice compared to just chaining the rippers.

ashen warren
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and reminder that stacking lowers your overall damage output resulting in lower overall damage rooShrug

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ok so rage and adrenaline shouldnt stack beacause a burst of damage should never be too high

rapid pivot
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wat

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no

lost agate
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Who agreed on that?

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I didnt

ashen warren
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i didnt say you agree

livid coral
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What Amber said

rapid pivot
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we're saying, and read very closely here

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that if you don't like playing a specific way, do not play in that specific way.

ashen warren
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wait does stacking rage and adrenaline has a damage penalty

livid coral
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Like I don't like Death Mode. So I don't play in Death Mode lmao

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Yes

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Amber literally said that earlier

ashen warren
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this means the player shouldnt do that and thats a mistake to make

frail mantle
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Saying “rage and adren shouldn’t stack because it’s strong” is like saying “remove god mode from things like hero’s mod because it’s strong”

sleek wadi
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Well, it doesn't have a damage penalty. More so that the DPS is just inferior to chaining due to how damage boosts are calculated.

spiral olive
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check calamity mod talk pins lmoa

ashen warren
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rage would also be good if it just gave you godmode instead of damage expect if that sounds stupid

lost agate
languid wyvern
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pleas add a way to summon in biomes that only appear on world generation

lost agate
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Man youre making no sense here

rapid pivot
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..... w a t.

ashen warren
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Purfied Jam except recharageble?

sleek wadi
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Retro-active worldgen is pain, no.

ashen warren
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Oh god

rapid pivot
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if people could just trigger godmode on a whim

ruby cobalt
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someone's ass about to be torn apart

ashen warren
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but gameplaywise it would kinda make sense beacause if the player got hit a shit ton of times or got stuck, he could use rage to get godmode for a short amount of time to get himself together

ruby cobalt
civic rampart
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God mode for a seconddaryl

rapid pivot
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true melee would become absurdly overpowered

lost agate
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@ashen warren no

ashen warren
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That sounds gamebreakedly fucky

frail mantle
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That is Purified Jan except also giving a damage boost and being rechargeable

sleek wadi
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Remove the risk from the high-risk-high-reward class, sounds fine.

ashen warren
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i know right my ideas are stupid

alpine garnet
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What am i reading even

ashen warren
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i just think rage mode should do something else

lost agate
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Anyway, this is literally going nowhere, just drop the topic

rapid pivot
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seriously, think before you speak

alpine garnet
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Not godmode lmao

sleek wadi
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It does do something else though HEART ATTACK EXISTS

civic rampart
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Rgae mode should make bosses rage instead of playersLUL

lost agate
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I said drop the topic

civic rampart
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Ok

cyan lagoon
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except heart attack is basically useless as well

ashen warren
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yeah i agree, topic got too far

cyan lagoon
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oh

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i didn't read lemme just

ashen warren
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Going off of an earlier suggestion about buffing/updating the hm ore armors, should cobalt, mythril, and adamantite get their own, more unique buffs for calamity?

rapid pivot
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yes

livid coral
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YES PELASE

ashen warren
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@fast helm calamity nohitters will party on your accessory

rapid pivot
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eeeeeh, nohit is hard already

ashen warren
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"+40% damage with much less hp"

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like jesus christ

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you can easily break the game with this

ruby cobalt
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they'll party until the moment we ban it

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uh-huh

ashen warren
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lol

sleek wadi
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Oh boy, another glass cannon accessory.

livid coral
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Doesn't the Reaper Tooth Necklace do that anyway

sleek wadi
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Let me just put it with Reaper Tooth and Dimensional Soul Artifact.

livid coral
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When are my stone wall items.

sleek wadi
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Except instead of less armor and DR, it's less health instead. What's next, no armor set bonus for a massive damage boost?

frail mantle
sleek wadi
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Debuff immunity negation for more damage?

frail mantle
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“1000% damage increase but you get killed in one hit”

ashen warren
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Nohitter gasm

sleek wadi
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50% damage boost but reduced visibility

rapid pivot
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hmm

ashen warren
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No damage boost but you don't take damage

rapid pivot
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what should the new buff for adamantine armor be?

frail mantle
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Are you talking set bonus

rapid pivot
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yeh

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hypothetically speaking.

ashen warren
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Well, perhaps something to amplify rippers?

frail mantle
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Maybe a low amount of life steal in small periods of time

rapid pivot
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my first instinct is to say something about making it reflect that it's the counterpart of titanium.. something either more aggressive or defensive?

ashen warren
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A damage counterpart to the free hit that titanium lets you take

rapid pivot
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nah, palladium's got life regen-related stuff

ashen warren
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Difference between regen and steal

frail mantle
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^

rapid pivot
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still ultimately fastheal

devout seal
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And now Sised's writing another suggestion

ashen warren
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And nerfed nonetheless

hollow shell
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@ashen warren They fire projectiles now

devout seal
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again.

ashen warren
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hah