Aerial bane is the only betsy drop worth a damn.
#suggestions-discussion
hot zephyr
The OOA armor sets are cool vanities tho
ashen warren
^
The sprites are the only good part.
Rewards are sweet as I said, event, not so much
hot zephyr
A solar eclipse rogue weapon that's based around throwing vampire bats that latch on and steal life?
quiet abyss
Hmm...sounds cool.
Though would it be post 1 mech, post 3 mechs or...?
hot zephyr
Or post mechs, i guess
ashen warren
Eclipse is after mechs bro.
hot zephyr
Whoops, brainfart
quiet abyss
Solar eclipses can't happen naturaly until atleast 1 mech is down, ye
Though since calamity made temple key craftable at the start of hardmode you could go into the temple and snag a solar tablet from there.
hot zephyr
So I'm not technically wrong ;)
quiet abyss
ashen warren
well, don't make the weapon a poopy Vampire Knife alright?
I'd wait to suggest a new thing, you already take up a lot of space.
ashen warren
Also remember the: "Don't write suggestions just for the sake of writing suggestions" pin.
hot zephyr
Either it'd be like the pirhana gun and reward health for lackluster DPS or be like the lionfish and be a DOT effect that stays after you switch off of it for light damage and health.
ashen warren
Yeah, thats why I ask and never post. I will post them later once I'm done spriting them.
Much to Sequence's horror
spriting
Consume Feces and Perish.
It should be said I do it just to feel as if I should post the suggestion, and rarely the actual sprite
hot zephyr
I would sprite but there's people on the dev team way better at doing that and even on the rare chance my suggestions were even considered they'd probably re-sprite it
ashen warren
It's just for an Idea, it's fine, just don't be like DRONES, aight?
He had a sprite with every suggestion, and I suspect that's why the cap went up to 65 stars rather than 50
The test for me is copy the text without the sprite somewhere.
If it's garbage I don't star it.
99% of the time it's garbage.
Because people would look and the sprites and star regardless of quality
sinful violet
then there was that suggestion with some statigel edit that didn't even have the description available because they forgot to link it properly and it still got 50+ stars
hot zephyr
arctic wren
pliant bone
Lmao
devout seal
Can i make suggestions to upcoming changes
Because alot of people would prefer the lethal lava thing to be a toggle or config to change
frail mantle
yea i think it's allowed, as long as you're not suggesting stuff that'll already get added in the next update
spark flax
pale bluff
sadly no one knows about the Confusing Magenta Gem
errant laurel
What even is lethal lava?
ruby cobalt
Lava deals damage to you no matter what.
Obsidian Skin lowers the damage but doesn't negate it completely.
sleek wadi
Implemented because some cheeky fuck abused some in-lava damage boosts to kill Ravager and LC without moving an inch.
ashen warren
luigi% guy?
ruby cobalt
oh hey removing items from vanilla shops is a good sugma
graceful path
Especially when some have multiple mods installed. My Dryad is clogged with items, and some i cannot buy, i have to cheat in hallowed seeds for example.
errant laurel
Is there something against using names already used in the past?
It's not like I'm suggesting adding the boss back in
ashen warren
Adding astrageldon back is a flat no.
errant laurel
So I just need to change the name, gotcha
It's not like it's vital for it to be Astrageldon
ashen warren
Good.
pale bluff
why not make up a new slime called the "Astro Slime"?
errant laurel
Astral Slime Is already a thing
pale bluff
oh
errant laurel
On the other hand, I hope Cosmic isn't taken
Google says it isn't, at least for Terraria stuff
errant laurel
It's not like any of these names are vital for the whole
They're just a handy way to call the single minions
pale bluff
They should all have the Baby Slime Face for the cuteness factor imo
errant laurel
Just make the godling a resized Slime God aprite with a baby slime face on it
ashen warren
Currently you use a mechworm, 2 sons of yharon and a cosmic energy.
Alongside stuff like the silva crystal and whatnot.
You're using an army.
round falcon
Shorten the Mechworm by 1 for 5 more minions is a yes please
errant laurel
Yeah, but apart from the Immaterializer they're boss drops
ashen warren
How is that bad?
pale bluff
the Slime Army Staff sounds nice
errant laurel
Having to craft your weapon, however simple it may be, makes using it a lot more satisfying
Especially when the boss that dropped you the weapon you're bringing in endgame just... Kind of melts after a while
ashen warren
Most boss drops are more interesting to use than crafted.
Excelsus while bad is a fun sword, far more than galaxia.
errant laurel
Summoner as a whole isn't really a class that can bask in such a wide array of weapons as to say "yeah, I'll go for the fun instead of the optimal"
In the end, the only boss that's going to be a challenge (as of now) in your endgame is SCal, and guess which class doesn't get anything after her
ashen warren
That's cause none of the devs like summoner apparently.
Be aware that post-scal stuff will happen, and I doubt that fab isn't gonna add anything new for summoner.
All the dev weapons are also probably gonna be replaced with the br rock or some shit.
errant laurel
Doesn't take away the fact that summoner is the only Terraria original class to have a single weapon in the Exo tier. And if they aren't adding something to it now, that it's the last tier before "dev", then when will the right time be?
ashen warren
cosmic immaterialiser
You do realize that even vanilla devs add like nothing for summoner right?
ashen warren
Quite often it's one weapon a boss in vanilla.
ruby cobalt
summoner is like throwing
except they decided to go through with the rape and didnt back out of it halfway through
errant laurel
Throwing doesn't have a lunar pillar and endgame armor set in vanilla, tho
ruby cobalt
that's just what it is
throwing is an aborted victim of rape in vanilla
Just look at it.
bringing up vanilla in this argument doesnt do anybody any good
errant laurel
I'm beginning to think I'm the only one who likes summoner in here and I might have made a mistake sharing my love for doing nothing while others kill for me
ashen warren
Ectoblood is only for ectoplasm.
There is no point in having only ectoblood.
errant laurel
The item seems fine in mechanics, but it's also a bit hard to understand those mechanics due to the way the comment is structured
ashen warren
Something to note is that there will be a rogue expansion in (probably) 2-3 months, and a signus cloak accessory is basically guaranteed.
Since people have already gotten multiple suggestions for a signus cloak sent.
errant laurel
Juicy
lyric flax
would be nice to have a special ability for rogue. just like the asgard valor and some armor sets have
ashen warren
...like stealth?
lyric flax
yeah. a true stealth buff for a short while with a heavy cooldown
gives the stealth mechanic also a bit more use
since in normal fight you will not enter said stealth 99/100 times
ashen warren
I can't think of any armor sets that have burst abilities except for the ranged bloodflare iirc and demonshade.
The rest are passive tradeoff buffs.
lyric flax
it will be like either a post ml thing
or just from a small time like 1 second to big times
or it will trade off your defense for this buff
like. no def when using it
ruby cobalt
defense already means jack shit
pale bluff
I don't feel right at home with the Calamity Vanities server, since the chances of a Cuttlefish Pet are shot down
ashen warren
Glowdonk, way offtopic.
lyric flax
I know. but also no DR
so. you have nothing at all
0 def. 0 dr
heavy trade off. but since you gain like an immense damage buff...why not
ruby cobalt
Because its absolute garbage that breaks balance.
lyric flax
I am just trying to think of something here
ashen warren
Do try and remember that stealth is basically a proof of concept as-is.
lyric flax
I know. but if it pulls through
ashen warren
It's not fully fleshed out.
ashen warren
I'd wait for the big update for anything big related to rogue tbh.
ashen warren
The concept of passively gaining stealth is an alright one but fab is gonna be on break soon.
Suggestions is gonna be basically forgotten for a bit.
earnest raptor
Grimmchild Doll
Unique summoning item
Summons the Grimmchild for fight for you
Only one Grimmchild can exists per player
What points of that minion:
- He didn't affected by Revengeance summon damage adjusting, so, their damage doesn't reduce, when you hold nonsummon weapon.
- Right-clicking with summoning item will teleport the minion directly to click's position rather that just targeting.
- Grimmchild deal 25% more damage to any burning enemy.
- When holder is in invincibility, minion's speed will increasing tremendously.
- Grimmchild don't target and deal damage to bosses, but can do that to their spawns.
- Minion's damage can be upgraded through defeating some bosses. Starts from, likely, 16 damage, after WoF - 33, after Plantera - 57 and after ML - 79.
- After WoF Grimmchild will recieve ability to phase through walls, and after Plantera - ability to shooting black feathers.
🛠 : 10 Evil Drops + 10 Evil Boss Drops + 25 Evil Stone + 1 Bug + 1 Any Butterfly @ Evil Altar
: Usually, I already likes minion stuff as farming tools and just sometimes cute companion. However, many things in Rev+ become harder, and in HM minions without summoning build will suffer and player forced to defend himself in that violent world.
Also, yet another reference to minion from Hollow Knight with simular function.
lyric flax
@earnest raptor
wrong chatbox
ashen warren
faint rivet
ashen warren
Maybe he's asking for opinions on the suggestion 
lyric flax
im still new here!
ashen warren
Yea uh, forced grimmchild is forced.
5. Grimmchild don't target and deal damage to bosses, but can do that to their spawns.
I don't get this
so like, it's only gonna be useful for bosses that spawn their own minions?
lyric flax
what if there will be an extra slot. this slot is for minions but is purely for vanity...only summons one of them. will deal no damage....
earnest raptor
Yeah, Grimmchild is supposed to be purely farming tool, not a actual summon weapon.
ashen warren
also, the grimmchild is male
earnest raptor
That accessible for any class.
lyric flax
...sequence. how about make it possible for the grimmchild to have two recipe outcomes. male and female x3
ashen warren
Have you played hk?
lyric flax
it was a joke..
ashen warren
I'm guessing this is meant to be a classless weapon then.
Like golden gun, not true damage like lunic eye.
ashen warren
mystic cloak
Can we just acknowledge the fact that throwing still needs another exo wep though.
quiet abyss
Another exo weapon for rogue is indeed nice
I think we have one planned, but not sure.
ashen warren
Nice pfp pinkie.
quiet abyss
After seeing Nin's broken vessel pfp I decided to ask him where he got it from 
And grab a ghost pfp
opal barn
Did you only change the 25% damage bonus?
ashen warren
..You changed none of the problems.
quiet abyss
So a summon especially designed for targeting boss summons and servants rather the bosses themselves.
opal barn
The one thing we didn't have a complaint about?
lyric flax
I think trash said also for farming purposes
ashen warren
Or you could use your 1k+ dps sword or some shit and kill it way faster without needing to constantly swap out a terrible acc.
hmmmmmm
ruby cobalt
its not an accessory btw
thats what makes it even better
and much more saddening for everyone with their brain intact
ashen warren
wow it's actually not an accessory
uh yea
is this fungal clump but unbalanced and a bit more useless
Sounds like it. 
ruby cobalt
in other words, just the usual day in sugma discs
pale bluff
was planning on making an Upgrade for the Gauntlet of the Phantom Lord as a Suggestion but I think the Gauntlet was powerful enough to not be put into a crafting recipe
since the Gauntlet is a Post Yharon Item
(btw, the Gauntlet isn't actually in Calamity, it was just a suggestion)
earnest raptor
So chance to approving that suggestion is -1%
opal barn
Your every suggestion*
lyric flax
mine is 0.00000000000 (x1000000000) 000001 %chance
earnest raptor
Yeah
pale bluff
mine is a 0% chance since it's a Sonic reference, and Sonic and Terraria are apparently not a good mix
mystic cloak
rogue will always be throwing in my heart
placid moth
^
ashen warren
15%
What?
placid moth
is that too excessive
ashen warren
yikes
So, an emblem, which is post-WoF.
For a few pre-boss materials.
Seems perfectly balanced. /s
placid moth
hmm alright
faint rivet
Archer potion is legit a better magic quiver iirc
placid moth
archery potion gives 20% though
faint rivet
Yeah 20% dmg and velocity iirc, sure it's a subclass but still
ashen warren
Calamity is balanced around it however.
Adding your potion would require a rework of the whole class.
mystic cloak
I think it deserves it though, the 15% potion
All rogue has is nanotech, rogue emblem, and raider talisman really, for damage specifically for it
Several other accessories are available for better for the other classes though (their class exclusives are better and add better benefits whilst also being more diverse)
ashen warren
First of all, for rogue this seems a bit too much, maybe just 10% damage instead of 15% (Sure magic power potion exists but you have to micromanage mana so it balances it out imo)
Second of all, why are throwing knives and shurikens in this? They're not related to rogue and I'd rather not drink sharp tools
placid moth
I wanted to avoid an expensive recipe^
(also yes I changed it to 10%, thanks for the suggestion)
I could change it to herb materials.
ashen warren
That'd probably be better ye
sudden quail
Just wanna say that in the Slime suggestion, @errant laurel when you typed "Blight Slime", you were meant to type "Blighted gel", as that's what it's called.
errant laurel
Thanks for that, editing as you read this
brave birch
are suggestions about unimplemented music frowned on or not?
quiet abyss
Well, not really frowned upon per say
It just depends on what it is, like Javyz said
fossil torrent
Yep
brave birch
The songs "Silence before the Storms," "Storms before the catastrophes," and "Catastrophes before the Calamity" serve as a transition in DM Dokuro's album.
Make it so these songs serve the same purpose in the game, by making them play after defeating the boss they are each associated to, i.e "Silence before the Storms" after defeating Clonemity.
This could be an extra touch to the mood and progression of the mod, as well as foreshadow what's next.
would be something like this
i just dont know anything about coding, and wouldnt want to bring an absurd suggestion for something that's simply not worth the change of terraria's code, you know?
((also can i ask where you got your pfp Pinkie thats an amazing little knight))
quiet abyss
I'll dm ya
surreal wharf
Anyone can suggest a good accessory for fighting providence on a ranger set?
It would be a huge help
quiet abyss
Wrong channel, buddy
Go to #help-advice-read-pins and I'll help ya there
Unless you mean literally suggesting a new item for helping with provi specifically
worthy fiber
May be it considering they got an answer in #calamity-mod-talk earlier
quiet abyss
brave birch
btw am i all g for that submission or yeah nah?
quiet abyss
There's been suggestions like that before iirc
worthy fiber
I think it's already been suggested before, yeah
brave birch
aight, no worries than lads
quiet abyss
Ye like this one from long ago:
brave birch
well lets just hope it happens lol, thanks for the help lads
quiet abyss
Np
hollow shell
There was also a more recent one which suggested that they play during the Boss Rush
There was another which suggested to have them in music box form
pale bluff
tfw you wanna make an Unlimited Healing Potion suggestion but that sounds as dumb as the Phantom Lord Miniboss suggestion
fervent sky
@errant laurel I really like your Slime Army Staff idea, but I just have one question, would the Cosmic Slime minion look like Astrageldon? If it did I think it would be a nice little homage to it.
pale bluff
Astrageldon will never return in any shape or form
ashen warren
Refer to the pins tim.
pale bluff
even if you beg on your knees and saying please with a cherry on top sundae
quiet abyss
^
pale bluff
Astrageldon looks like a burnt Thanos Marshmallow to me
ashen warren
thats actually somewhat accurate in a way
quiet abyss
...Burnt Thanos Marshmallow
I'm going to call astrageldon that now
Thanks for the nickname
pale bluff
np my fellow hombre
ashen warren
can i be named that?
pale bluff
if you want, sure
onyx marten
xD
ashen warren
Ah yes, my true form.
onyx marten
BEST TIME TO LOG ONTO DISCORD
faint rivet
^
ashen warren
XD moment
elder yew
I got an idea for the lethal lava change
...just make it rev+, or even expert+
Thoughts?
faint rivet
I'd rather have it in the config personally
autumn kiln
no point in that horn of plentiful chaos idea tbh, by the time you reach SCal you probably have loads of omega healing potions anyway
faint rivet
^
pale bluff
having tons of OHP's = less Inventory Space
ashen warren
All that inventory space that you're not using by the time you're endgame.
faint rivet
Oh god Sequence fully committed to the meme
cold terrace
999 slime 🤔
hollow shell
@pale bluff An extremely rare drop from the final boss means that it's completely useless.
cold terrace
BR
hollow shell
It's already balanced with extended Potion Sickness
ashen warren
OHP has more than 60 second sickness?
hollow shell
Make it like Post-ML or Post-DoG but heal less than Supreme or Omega
And it shouldn't be obtainable based on random chance
ashen warren
Oh nvm, I see what you were saying now.
hollow shell
Because that sucks
Make it like 200 Blood Orbs and thatd be more preferable over a super rare drop unaffected by Defiled
placid moth
^
ashen warren
stupidly rare
That's anywhere from 1% to 0.0001%
placid moth
200 blood orbs ?
pale bluff
It's just a stack of 30 Omega Healing Pots and 200 Blood Orbs
which is an EXTREME UPGRADE
ashen warren
It's not that strong honestly.
hollow shell
Although if it gives longer potion sickness it is functionally inferior
to having a lot of Omegas
Which is good.
ashen warren
I'd still use potions since sickness.
pale bluff
made it to where instead of slightly more Potion Sickness, it just gives the same Potion Sickness as a single Omega
hollow shell
Why.
pale bluff
a bit more faithful to its reference
hollow shell
Making something more like mobile is a bad idea 
pale bluff
ooh, goof Sequence
ashen warren
If you really want it to be accurate.
Smh, sequence is dead.
I am only marshmallow.
for about a day
pale bluff
okie
hollow shell
Extended Potion Sickness is the perfect balance for an infinite potion, imo
tulip parcel
I mean it'd have no effect on nohitters though
that's neither a positive nor a negative I'm just throwin that out
pale bluff
it's obviously useless for NoHitters since they have to dodge and avoid taking damage
placid moth
but it's not meant for nohitters
cold terrace
healing isnt completely useless for nohitters because of silva+terrabuffing
with auric
hollow shell
what
ruby cobalt
imagine not being able to slap nurse's ass for healing after silvabuffing
your argument is invalid
ashen warren
Nurse during yharon or scal
Yes
Thats gonna work definitely
inside the arena obv 
faint rivet
Godmode exists for said heal
faint rivet
Depends on what mods are in use, but with just Calamity, Yharon
pale bluff
Yharon
cold terrace
Sors, you have to lower your health to zero twice to trigger godslayer effect then silva invuln
then heal for terragon bonus
frail mantle
@wide tide maybe try suggesting a Swarmer upgrade instead of just saying "add an upgrade"
like, try stating how it would work, how it would be obtained, and why it should be added
wide tide
Sorry, wasn't aware I had to do all of that. I'll just delete the suggestion.
frail mantle
it's okay, just remember it the next time 👍
tender obsidian
Hm
Infinut healing potion sounds cool but then there's infinity mod?
But then infinity mod is kinda cheating tbh
sinful violet
everyone knows that mobile content inspired stuff is the best
pale bluff
Says no one ever
fervent zealot
@ashen warren care to elaborate more on what you mean by that?
ashen warren
Didn't mean to post that yet sry
hybrid ocean
are mini-biome suggestions ok?
sinful violet
Yeah, though unlikely to fit with future content.
radiant meadow
@frail mantle your suggestion already has the required amount of stars
but you might want to add what replaces shattered sun in the celestus recipe
Maybe add valediction and molten amputator to celestus and use spear of paleolith (and shattered sun) to your weapon
unless you want people to make 2 shattered suns 
hybrid ocean
was gonna suggest a mini-biome between the underworld and the abyss, as a "transition" for them
hollow shell
Yes biome & minibiome suggestions are allowed
ashen warren
Silvas sanctuary
hollow shell
That's less of a transition and more of a
wall
hybrid ocean
it would be like a mix of both, maybe demon fishes (or whatever their name is) would spawn more frequently
hollow shell
Devil Fish
hybrid ocean
that
hollow shell
makes sense.
hybrid ocean
a mini-biome that separates The Abyss from The Underworld as a transition between both, would have visual characteristics from both biomes and Devil Fishes would spawn more frequently along with new enemies, like:
Void Wanderer: Looks like a voidstone themed Demon, dashes at the player leaving behind valediction-like proyectiles that act like the usual demon scythes but accelerate faster and have a slight homing ability
Hellspawn: looks like a bloated angler fish, it starts giving off a bit of light, getting slowly closer at the player, once it gets close enough, it'll start giving off more light and approaching faster until it dashes at the player, making an explosion and losing 20% of it's total hp, it has high defense and will do it until it dies.
Depth Bat: looks like a hardmode lava bat but with abyss characteristics, goes throught liquids and blocks unlike other bats
The Biome would be extremely useless if you had to go throught the whole abyss to access it as you'd probably be post-polter by now, so you can go throught the Underworld
The biome also scales throught proggresion, so it's not as easy as the 1st Abyss Layer and not as hard as the 4th Layer
The enemies here would drop different weapon sets that change once certain bosses are killed, getting stronger, i may do another suggestion regarding these so tell me if you'd like that
is it too big?
hybrid ocean
thanks
ruby cobalt
would you look at that
gusty geode
I like
hybrid ocean
thank
cyan lagoon
what
delicate raft
nothing, messages were deleted
Pretend you saw nothing
Because there was nothing to see
sinful violet
We have a bot logging deleted messages.
tulip parcel
are green checkmarks not a thing anymore
devout seal
@tulip parcel They are, it's 65 stars to get one.
cyan lagoon
@oblique geyser i don't know how that's going to help rogue's lack of viable choices
in fact its quite the opposite
oblique geyser
It helps because on Revengeance+ you can choose to make this or to use the Celestus.
autumn kiln
isn't the celestus an exoweapon already
sinful violet
Aren’t people going to assume that it’s better than the celestus.
Doesn’t give options as much as it streamlines the weapons.
oblique geyser
Presumably it will be
sinful violet
Then why would people in rev+ choose to use celestus.
It’d be a fine idea if you removed celestus from the recipe and padded it with some other farming if that’s what you’re trying to go for.
autumn kiln
if anything, that would probably be better as a rogue drataliornus
oblique geyser
It is meant to be similar to Apotheosis and Drataliornus, Exo + Legendary
With a Polterghast theme
Also Celestus was nerfed so it doesn't work as well on rev+
oblique geyser
True. The Phantoethereas wouldn't be a dedicated weapon because you aren't allowed to suggest those here
dusty stirrup
ech
plush remnant
So I just took a hard look at the Slime Army Staff
And the only thing I see about it is I frame issues
fading plume
radiant meadow
I'm sure your glad it finally happened 
quick dove
devout seal
technically she isn't..
you can just fight DoG first..
hollow shell
Proficient, the Okay Goddess
ashen warren
Why is there a nohit weapon in suggestions?
radiant meadow
pretty much I think
the fact that it uses celestus and malachite
and steals all of polter's drops
ashen warren
Unless someone does something extraordinary, that aint happening
Terry used Spears for an entire run, gets Apoth.
Some dude used the blossom flux a ton when nohitting iirc, gets Drata
"The Blossom Flux in this weapon's recipe is a reference to Sygilin defeating all bosses with only the Blossom Flux."
radiant meadow
Drataliornus is Syg's UT award, ye
quiet abyss
@oblique geyser Honestly, if you want my opinion, this weapon is better off having a less complex recipe (as well as removing Celestus from the recipe) that's still fitting for an exo weapon so people won't assume it's a rogue Drat, and so it'll just be another exo weapon, not some kind of pseudo-dedicated item.
Also, it'd be better if this weapon also has overall less dps than Celestus as well.
Logically speaking: 2 weapons on the same tier, one is homing and one isn't homing?
The one that isn't homing should overall have better dps than the homing one if you can aim and hit with it consistently, to reward skill, otherwise people would just use the homing one all the time if its dps is as good as or better than celestus, and that would just kill variety.
radiant meadow
he did in expert iirc
ashen warren
That's still pretty good.
civic rampart
Exosummon getting 111 stars before reviewed by devs
marsh gust
from what i heard coding summons are..
reef mountain
Ideas???
pliant bone
Zen potion exists
reef mountain
And not everyone can afford it every time one wants to clear up a little bit of the underworld.
reef mountain
Because blood orbs are expensive and extremely useful?
pliant bone
Why I said "Zen pots exists" is because it seems the suggestions is out of anger that they are bothering you from building your arena
The same can be said for building a Plantera arena
red stormBOT
pliant bone
^
reef mountain
The main problem with these guys is that they can spawn inside houses.
ruby cobalt
Which is not a problem, because if you can't figure out where the fuck are GIANT FLAMES coming from then it's solely your problem.
pliant bone
The profaned energy only has like 6/12k hp lol.
ruby cobalt
Tiles are destroyed in less than 2 seconds, so if you can't be that much arsed to get out of your way to find that particular house and kill a small guy - suffer.
pliant bone
You can kill it with a weapon that passes through blocks
Unless minions are being idiotic
reef mountain
Also, blood moons take a long time to grind even just for 60 or so orbs, not putting consideration into grinding for fetid/bloodletting essences themselves for the blood relic
And the house thing is that you can’t get out quick enough to not get hit once you’re in.
pliant bone
So is building a provi arena w/o zen potion but longer
ruby cobalt
@ancient dragon oh can you kill the next guy in suggs pls, thanks bby
figured you'd have a small chuckle from that one
pliant bone
reef mountain
Pffft
pliant bone
Sounds like discount fan-SCal as npc suggestion tbh
reef mountain
Building a prov arena doesn’t make you take damage, btw
ancient dragon
Oh, epic gamer hours I see.
reef mountain
There are no shit if these darn things didn’t exist.
ancient dragon
@lapis carbon No boss suggestions allowed, aye?
Also nice stats, so low-effort it borders on meme territory. Don't do that.
lapis carbon
Oh aight
reef mountain
The suggestion is about nerfing these things, so it makes sense.
pliant bone
Well atleast buff its hp so it doesnt get killed in 2 seconds
reef mountain
What do you use to kill them anyways?
ashen warren
Any weapon that pierces blocks.
reef mountain
Most weapons of this tier deals 3-4K damage, while means 4 seconds are the average
*3.5
reef mountain
With what?
ashen warren
ruby cobalt
And you're gonna tell me that full glass cannon gear triples your damage output.
ashen warren
3-5k is fucking ml tier
not post-ml
You don't get high numbers killing fodder, they die too fast.
Obviously all weapons look like trash if that's how you're testing.
So you're stating the dps of a weapon without using it's full potential because you can't test it correctly
understandable
Wha- me?
iunno 
seems like it's both you and terrarium
Ah, I was talking without armor/accs et cetera.
Since that's what I presumed they were talking about, with such low numbers and all.
I think the last time I played galactus blade reached like 8k on provi or something, I don't recall that well since I only really look at the dps meter when testing with super dummies.
Would prolly be higher if I bothered to farm ichor flasks.
pliant bone
If you are like doing 4k dps to anything in post-ml, you definitely have a problem lmao
sleek wadi
The only class that got very suboptimal DPS against Providence-tier was fuckin' summoner, and that is just because axes cucked themselves and there was no Hive Pod for a long time.
ashen warren
1 health every 5 ticks.
12HP/s
frail mantle
Yes
pliant bone
Most likely affected by lifesteal cap anyway
frail mantle
^
it’s supposed to help slightly, not entirely carry you in a swing, give you an apple to eat and put you to bed all the way to Plantera
ashen warren
Even without hive pod I still have pretty decent clear time as summoner vs provi. Especially now that golden gun always works, even with the axes
lyric flax
what...if we could save Silva from the abyss?
novel pebble
She's a literally weak soul that can't be formed again.
lyric flax
because of the toxins and chemicals in the water
ashen warren
You'd have to purge all of the pollution in the abyss and piss sea.
Then she'd be able to reform her soul.
To get an idea how hard it is to clean an ocean, look at ours and how hard it is for us despite how far from the calamity level of pollution it is.
lyric flax
I mean. we carry literal souls. it isn't far fetched we can pull her soul out of the abyss too in some way
perhaps killing adult eidolon?
XD
ashen warren
As much as it sucks since idgaf about anyone else in the lore, Silva is basically dead.
ashen warren
If someone with an immortal soul lacks any ability to affect reality are they dead?
lyric flax
but it would be nice to gain another lore character, if all just a talking npc
ashen warren
To me, yes.
ashen warren
Perma was just trapped.
lyric flax
since cryogen lived longer then the current dryad
ashen warren
Stuck in cryo.
lyric flax
yeah. for how many years really
he is older then the current dryad as said in one of his lines
ashen warren
You know how cryostasis works right?
lyric flax
I guess
we will see. perhaps there will be a way. if all just her soul as an equipable
just wondering. would be nice to save someone from actual near death in the game
that is lorewise
arctic wren
I never thought Permafrost was dead tbh
I figured he'd more take the Jaania route and go insane inside his ice prison
hallow brook
lyric flax
anyway. maybe its not the last we see of Silva....who knows
calamity has made many twists already
civic rampart
Permafrost has created more horcruxes than voldemort, he's basically immortal (he still comes back as a town npc)
lyric flax
ahaha
faint rivet
Nice one
quiet abyss
@dense oriole Please elaborate more on that
dense oriole
um
placid moth
meowmere's upgrade omg
faint rivet
Shift + Enter
hollow shell
lmao
dense oriole
oh thx
quiet abyss
Lol
lyric flax
I think planty is good as she is. with the hungry's also spawning from hooks
faint rivet
Nice immediate self-star
faint rivet
I don't think it's needed
lyric flax
yeah. same. making her shots slightly homing. circle tactic will still work with sufficient speed
but then I wonder what mods he is using
faint rivet
Her other phase still hits relatively hard, and Revengeance isn't meant to be extremely challenging
ashen warren
Rev is meant to be hard, not pain incarnate.
As a DM player I don't like fighting plantera at all.
That underground requirement is dumdum.
hollow shell
@wooden leaf See above
faint rivet
Yeah making the arena is 
lyric flax
still. planty is good where she is
ashen warren
She's not very "hard' in dm just superbly annoying.
lyric flax
she was never meant to be a hard boss though
ashen warren
she's as easy as you want her to be, by your arena design
make a sub-par with limited space arena and she'll give you a run for your money on rev too
lyric flax
she can be. with enough room she is not as hard with a small room
as amber said
my current arena was a total pain so I made it a challenge myself. I only holed it out a little in some big space. I do need a better arena for plague
faint rivet
I always fight PBG on the surface tbh
ashen warren
The concept of fighting pbg underground is ghastly.
hollow shell
PBG enrages on the surface now.
ashen warren
fucc
hollow shell
Not extremely, but it is harder.
lyric flax
I always fought plague in a big arena underground
hollow shell
@gleaming oriole No meme suggestions.
opal barn
yeah that's gonna be a warn tbh
gleaming oriole
sorry
opal barn
Please don't delete the messages so quickly next time, I needed evidence and you deleted it before I did the screenshot @hollow shell 
faint rivet
opal barn
It's fine, someone else managed to do the screenshot and sent it to me
hollow shell
Ah, fortunate.
oblique geyser
Edited the Phantoethereas suggestion
radiant meadow
it isn't rev+ anymore, but it looks nicer now
oblique geyser
Right. It was too similar to dedicated weapons. I changed it to be in line with Celestus.
cold terrace
Famined? thats a funny way to spell famished
frail mantle
faint rivet
Top tier suggestion
ruby cobalt
@opal barn free mod points
frail mantle
sounds like a meme suggestion to me tbh
ashen warren
read the last part sors
ruby cobalt
guy's known for doing the same kind of retarded shit
hollow shell
I do recall him doin something like this in the past. A warn is in order
ruby cobalt
this is what, his 4th garbage-tier suggestion?
opal barn
Another one
faint rivet
3rd
sleek wigeon
That sprite is fucking aaaah. noise hell
ashen warren
Ech sprite. As a tip in a future go to Calamity art and look for the spriting tutorial.
hollow shell
@sharp garnet Sprite needs work but regardless you should definitely export it first instead of sending a screenshot
If you're using Piskel, it's the photo icon on the right. Export as PNG
faint rivet
No knockback
sharp garnet
"It has no kb because it freezes enemies duh"
-Me, thinking of knockback power and a tooltip 15/03/2019
civic rampart
So demonic best modifier?
sharp garnet
Nah, might be ruthless since it has no kb
cold terrace
ive never seen better calamity mod artwork. cudos
hollow shell
Did you see my comment about the image exporting, Sabertooth?
sharp garnet
Yeah
hollow shell
You gonna do it?
sharp garnet
Not rly since I print screen'd it a n y w a y
ashen warren
cyan lagoon
@compact magnet you gotta be more elaborate than that
hollow shell
@compact magnet It would be much preferred if you came up with something specific and described it
rather than a general concept
compact magnet
like thoruim mod bat transformation
hollow shell
I mean like
Describe exactly the item you want implemented into Calamity
What's it's name, what'll it do, how do you get it, etc
civic rampart
Actually post the concept here before you post the suggestion
delicate raft
no
frail mantle
@opal barn meme suggestion
tiny rivet
it’s so bad wtffff
opal barn
why is there a 3rd one already
tiny rivet
why is that something someone suggested
frail mantle
apparently today is meme suggestion day
opal barn
Being a mod and recording at the same time is fun
narrow forge
what's the best meme suggestion you've seen
ruby cobalt
every day is the garbage suggestion day if you have faith in your fellow members
unique vector
hewo, has sors been sending suggestions
ashen warren
Oh great, what was this meme suggestion about?
frail mantle
"make Ceaseless Void delete your Terraria save file if you lose to him 5 times"
tiny rivet
singlehandedly the best suggestion to come out of suggestions channel ngl ngl
ashen warren
I can see where he's coming from with ceaseless voids anomalous abilities, but that's just a bit much rarted.
tiny rivet
i’d expect to see that in a challenge mode though, and they didn’t specify if that tally counted towards DoG CV so it could just delete ur save during a completely different fight
ashen warren
Even so, a whole save is a bit much
The game should shape the lore, not the other way around.
tiny rivet
yeah i mean i don’t think DoG randomly bursting out to kill you when you’re just trying to mine would be a fun game mechanic
ashen warren
Or having some Majora's mask-esque fight with Providence as she tries to cleanse the earth
tiny rivet
fun mod 10/10 i enjoy
ashen warren
Secure Ceaseless Poid
dusty stirrup
What would be the point of giving them a buff tho
Also I'm pretty sure their AI wouldn't really keep up too much anymore with the player in post-ml
ruby cobalt
just give them the upgraded AI
dusty stirrup
Might as well just buff Slime God/Plaguebringer Goliath
ruby cobalt
dusty stirrup
echo night
i think my permanent power up idea could be a pretty nice feature. tho... maybe we would need a little rebalance in the damage bonuses if we add that
dusty stirrup
It sounds pretty busted
hollow shell
@ashen warren Probably obvious, but you could mention that they would be shown as minibosses, like Clown and Mourning Wood etc
round walrus
Oh, yes. An addendum to the boss checklist that's the miniboss checklist
I dig it. If only I was good enough to make it fat enough to worry about those guys
pale bluff
do people actually treat the Exclamation Mark as a Dislike Button?
pale bluff
what do Eidolists do?
hollow shell
No I meant like
There's already enemies in the Dungeon that behave like Lunatic Cultist, why add more?
pale bluff
oh
hollow shell
I've seen better King Slime anti-cheese proposals
cyan glen
Maybe jump more in rev mode?
hollow shell
He'd have to jump quite a height to guarantee rope cheese can't be used
Actually a Biome Mimic / Slime God "home in onto above the player and drop down on them" jump would be good
But
only if you're unreachable for long enough
so we don't just turn him into Slime God
cyan glen
So i need to change my suggestion?
hollow shell
I'd prefer it if you did
cyan glen
Okey im gonna try not write bad
hollow shell
It doesn't need to be what I suggested exactly
I just think despawning is a cheap way to anti-cheese something
@novel vine "Auto target" as in Smart Cursor? Or if not, what do you mean?
hollow shell
He just changed it
lost agate
ah yeah sorry
cyan glen
np
novel vine
@hollow shell yeah that's what i meant mb
hollow shell
oof yeah that could use a reword, Ez
cyan glen
where?
hollow shell
The whole sentence is hard to read
hollow shell
"If King Slime can't reach you for long enough, make him do a flying homing jump to your location, like the Biome Mimics or Slime God."
would be better
cyan glen
okey so i copy that and paste
hollow shell
Yeah sure if you want
cyan glen
Did it
hollow shell
Nice, nice.
cyan glen
Thx Sors
hollow shell
np
fossil torrent
can we like
ban "make king slime uncheesable"- suggestions already
it's getting annoying
pale bluff
yeah
King Slime is literally supposed to be the beginner's boss, not the bane of your existence
sinful violet
do you people not think that, if we could ban certain suggestions, we would?
fossil torrent
Well there's other "banned" suggestion ideas in pins, for example boss ideas and astrageldon/lorde ideas
so, yes
sinful violet
Boss ideas simply go against plans, and geldon and lorde are both removed content that we removed for a reason.
KS balance changes are entirely different.
fossil torrent
True
sinful violet
Then don't be a smartass about it with the whole boss pins thing then.
fossil torrent
uhm
sinful violet
@pale bluff please
How ironic can you get
Literally just talking about why we don't add removed content and boss suggestions.
delicate raft
wow, a future boss suggestion
sinful violet
I understand you want some overpowered lunatic cultist boss, but it's not happening.
pale bluff
why was the Doomsayer removed?
sinful violet
All future bosses were.
pale bluff
ah
tulip parcel
now the real question si
delicate raft
They were removed quite a time ago
sinful violet
They were a rushed addition with not much planned and were pretty poor in execution.
tulip parcel
when will someone suggest PAST bosses
delicate raft
"Past bosses"
Provi before fighting Yharim with all of her power
I would like to fight the real Provi
not happening tho
fossil torrent
Was just trying to provide a counter-argument, but ok
Saying as an idea, not a request/complaint, that there in my opinion should be a pin with some common suggestions that aren't recommended to be posted, like for example future bosses, King Slime anti-cheese, cosmolite bullets, and other common things that don't have a chance of getting added
But just an idea, not a complaint/request
ashen warren
Not this again.
fossil torrent
I'm not going to continue on this, since there's no point and I really want to go to sleep.
sinful violet
cool
fossil torrent
And it's apparently disliked, so why push it further? I'm not gonna change an opinion
ashen warren
Oh boyoboy.
Tickerang looks like a pretty garbage weapon, like it should be pre-hm it's that badly designed.
Not taking sprite into account, duh.
Summon damage nerf exists for the very good reason that hybrid immediately becomes stupidly overpowered without it.
If you want the game to be easy then play normal.
Swapping it has far less of that issue.
Stop. Buffing. Old. Content.
It's lazy and boring, if you can't think of anything good to suggest then don't suggest.
Adrenaline and rage are OP as-is, they don't need nor should they have duration buffs.
Mini-bosses on boss checklist sounds entirely pointless ngl.
"just make them have the same AI as bosses that you kill in 1 second anyway"
That's incredibly lazy.
King slime is literally the first boss, he's meant to be easy.
I don't get what the problem is when planetoids have the exact same ""problem"" and it also only costs rope.
I would ping buuut I don't want to.
vestal elbow
tho tbh I'd rather have King Slime do the mimic/slime god's jump rather than the teleport
more interesting as an attack and less cheap on DM, but I think it's been a staple of his AI so prob not gonna change
sacred thorn
i feel like sequence should get a cool dudes role
sacred thorn
you're always on this chat
quick dove
hes the batman of the suggestions cavern
quick dove
🙏
ashen warren
Besides, if you think KS is easy then don't use rope strat.
I say this because I sincerely doubt that a player doing calamity blind will see the use of rope strat.
Unlike shit like the fucking normality regulator.
pale bluff
isn't the Normality Regulator just a RoD
ashen warren
It increases falling speed (really strong) and reduces the skill ceiling of RoD massively.
Not only that, the fact that chaos state makes you take 50% more damage is negated by it makes it even more overpowered imo.
pale bluff
I could ask to make Rev a selectable mode but that'll be too impossible to code
ashen warren
Uh, apothmod has a revengeance disabler.
oh wow that "core of the the amalgam blood god" suggestion is atrocious
So, firstly it's post-scal content which is already non-existant.
But it's also a lazy upgrade.
"just fuckin stick em together like lego or some shit idk"
pale bluff
aren't SCal mat Items not allowed?
ashen warren
sigh Nobody actually reads the pins closely it seems.
"Shadowspec bars are reserved for developer items only. Items that include them in its recipe will be ignored. Calamitous essence is exempt from this rule."
pale bluff
Remember the time I made the Baby Reaper Shark Suggestion's tooltip concept a reference to the shitty Baby Shark song lul
sinful violet
ask around
ashen warren
Without apoth? neat.
vestal elbow
maybe it's what became of that duplicate revengeance item that required 1 shadowspec bar
ashen warren
Toggle iirc
vestal elbow
maybe
there's a chat message for it now so could be the case
I'mma check
sinful violet
Also if you wanna critique suggestions so we don't have to, go ahead, but try to be a little less condescending sequence.
ashen warren
I put the same amount of effort they put in since there was nothing to build on, but I'll keep that in mind.
vestal elbow
👌
sinful violet
epic, ye
livid coral
Honestly with how the suggestions and bugs channel are I can see why Marshmallow is exhausted and curt about it but yeah, a little less anvil hitting would be nice
devout seal
Oh, so rev's toggleable now
delicate raft
ye, and Iron Heart
pale bluff
OOOO
civic rampart
So rev items vs normal scal viable now
radiant meadow
no because you can't toggle expert
delicate raft
ashen warren
oof
civic rampart
Thorium lets you toggle expert
hollow shell
Normal Revengeance 
ashen warren
Only for real gamers.
hollow shell
@faint magnet "Damage reduction timer"?
hollow shell
You mean the burnout?
faint magnet
I wasn't sure what to call it, but that's what I was referring to
hollow shell
Unfortunate phrasing to use the words "damage reduction" because that has a very specific meaning
DR
faint magnet
I'll fix it
hollow shell
Aight
ashen warren
Honestly I have no idea why it does.
Seems like punishment that is entirely unnecessary.
Dappers suggestion is interesting? Maybe as a part of toggleable extra challenge modes perhaps.
hollow shell
What?
He's talking about when your activated damage goes down if you hold onto a full Adrenaline bar for too long
also known as "burnout"
hollow shell
If his suggestion is implemented, it would make the game easier, not more challenging
faint magnet
My thought process was mostly that it just sucks when you're able to play well enough to not get hit for super long, but the 5 measly seconds you have to activate it are during a time where the boss can't be hit
so you lose damage at no fault of your own
hollow shell
(Is it 5? I thought it was 3)
faint magnet
(I think it's 5 but the point still stands)
hollow shell
It is 5 seconds. Gotta update the wiki
ashen warren
Oh neat.
dusty stirrup
frikin wiki
ashen warren
hexa barreled shotgun is a cool name, not gonna lie
The why feels unfinished?
since using an Ammo that doesn't have any sort of Endless Pouch version of it
Little do we know that this man was strangled before he could complete his sentence.
F
lmao
hollow shell
RIP @pale bluff
hollow shell
yay
pale bluff
ngl I laughed at Marshmallow's joke
sleek wadi
Fab broke through his window, killed him, then changed the suggestion
ashen warren
XD
Imagine infinite explosive shotgun shells.
that inflict ichor and god slayer inferno
I like the concept, on paper
pale bluff
Imagine Infinite Magnum Rounds
ashen warren
you're next
lmfao spark
Hopefully someday we can quell the elder god known as sunbutt.
Fab is merely his servant.
ashen warren
oof
So it'd just have a really high velocity stat then.
Shotgun but better.
That's how upgrades work
shotgun broke
Forgetting that tactical shotgun is available at this tier too.
Yea but, look at crystalline and how it upgrades.
It gains new effects.
This just shoots fast.
tactical shotgun?
sleek wadi
The sprite better be six shotguns duct-taped together.
ashen warren
sounds familiar
It's vanilla
never heard of it
Post Plant dungeon drop that is just outclassed in every way by the sniper rifle or even the venus magnum imo.
livid coral
What is tactical shotgun
ashen warren
sounds useful
sinful violet
vanilla weapon
livid coral
I'm being silly tho lol
ashen warren
I remember when I thought chik was cool.
That was almost 3 years ago now.
I ended up using the beam sword anyway.
When chik was chick
beam sword SUCKS
First playthrough bud.
We all used garbage.
livid coral
We need a viable beam sword upgrade
ashen warren
^
sinful violet
lilac please
livid coral
Zero Saber, post DoG saber weapon
sinful violet
l i l a c
livid coral
WHAT MRRP
sinful violet
solstice claymore
civic rampart
Uhh solstice claymore is an upgrade?
ashen warren
Hah
sinful violet
fuck
ashen warren
lmfao
civic rampart
oof sniped
livid coral
But it's not a LIGHTSABER
ashen warren
Imagine thinking solstice is viable.
sinful violet
my fingers just ain't the speedy things they used to be 
sinful violet
Lilac you're talking about the phasesabers.
dusty stirrup
All vanilla yoyos are boring tbh
livid coral
Oh yeah I am.
ashen warren
besides the terrarian
livid coral
OH THE BEAM SWORD
ashen warren
but yeah
sinful violet
livid coral
AHAHAH
sinful violet
livid coral
I KNOW THIS GAME I PROMISE
civic rampart
sinful violet
mhm.
ashen warren
livid coral
NOT LIKE I HAVE 1460 HOURS IN THIS GAME
sleek wadi
livid coral
Anyway
livid coral
Phasesaber Upgrade
sinful violet
Who's the disappointed one now.
livid coral
Shush son
dusty stirrup
Admin fight!
ashen warren
oof
lost agate
Suddenly a mod
sleek wadi
I saw some concept art for a phasesaber upgrade that used the ark of the cosmos pattern.
dusty stirrup
civic rampart
I have barely 250 ;-;
livid coral
Post DoG Phasesaber would be fun though
dusty stirrup
Conjure a giant laser from the sky on melee hit
ashen warren
another broadsword, yay
livid coral
Whatever the hell Zero's Saber is capable of that's what
sinful violet
f for uhf
ashen warren
soudns cool
lost agate
Smh lilac
dusty stirrup
😎
ashen warren
Could be true melee.
Cuts into reality or whatever.
sleek wadi
I never saved the phasesaber upgrade picture so I can't send the pic. Anyway, super fast and cool true memee that isn't outclassed by Stellar Striker yet again.
ashen warren
bruh
sinful violet
Also, why not flaming sword of hisou
civic rampart
Increases size every time you strike an enemy
livid coral
Yeah but imagine Rakuhouha upon hit. Or charging the saber for a slash
sleek wadi
Shit, make it the Astral Saber thing from Starbound that rips a black hole into existance upon hitting an enemy
ashen warren
Firey greatsword upgrade
wtf is that?
oh
i've only ever used the fiery greatsword to make the night's edge
Only part I ever used was Muramasa, but only until I realised the potential of the spears.
livid coral
I'm bad at suggestions though so Z-Saber will probably not happen
sinful violet
lilac you're in the dev server
ashen warren
Not until an x-buster comes in anyways
sinful violet
just go yell about it or something
livid coral
I'm working on my armor patron item
ashen warren
Hellkite looks great except it's literally just a sword with nothing unique.
No wonder you didn't know about it issa.
oof
makes sense i guess
livid coral
I'll bug Ozz about it if not I'll just claim Shield Boomerang from Zero 2 and make it a rogue item.
ashen warren
finally, a new rogue item
sleek wadi
I think it's pretty L A R G E, but that is the only thing going for it.
sleek wadi
Oh.
lost agate
For the hands?
sleek wadi
Yo, how about we use Bone Glove as a material for it, and it's a flail that shoots out 2 hands.
Oh wait, not what you meant
ashen warren
Yea, it's a yoyo so aiming ez.
lost agate
Eh idk