there
#suggestions-discussion
languid ermine
lost agate
Eh well then lemme delete the other one
languid ermine
go ahead
oblique geyser
Recent update added new rogue weapons
delicate vector
You could also say the same about minishark for ranged
languid ermine
ranged have like 5 weapons at all times to use wdym
delicate vector
Minishark is available nearly as soon as you spawn in calamity since you have starting bombs, and it can be used for a good chunk of prehm
languid ermine
delicate vector
What I'm trying to say is that a weapon that is preboss and useful through prehm isn't that weird
ashen warren
At least it doesn't scale
ashen warren
At least it doesn't scale 
vestal elbow
in time
ruby cobalt
you will know the tragic extent on their failings
dusty stirrup
Might wanna wait for when we expand upon that part of the game tbh
also the suggestion is really broad
pale bluff
SJDMG sounds cool
west prairie
"add more post scal stuff"
"the fuck you think we're gonna do"
chrome holly
It just dawned on me... there should probably be a new theme for the jungle after the plague is unleashed
I mean, it makes no sense to have the same happy jungle music when half of it is horribly mutated
novel pebble
Please don't tell me you're about to suggest a plague Mini-biome that appears in the jungle after plaguebringer Goliath is defeated, and Plague mobs will spawn there and they drop plague-related items.
ashen warren
I think he just meant as in a music change and not something that complicated, atleast I hope so 
frail mantle
maybe there should just be a green color filter applied to the jungle post-golem
dusty stirrup
:ech:
sinful violet
no pls
lost agate
That wouldnt look nice with yharon filter
sonic quest
what benefit would a color filter give
fresh harbor
Just swap the whole jungle biome for a plague biome like wall of flesh does with the hallow/evil strips 
rose sage
i am back to debate the cake idea
sleek wadi
I'd rather not jungle get even more bloated in content.
quick dove
sleek wadi
Give some love to the other places, the evils become almost irrelevant after you get like 100 souls of night and HM material.
astral lake
^
formal iron
It's a Cryogen arena
cyan lagoon
And unfortunately ice tomb I say is a rather debatable structure given its pyramid on ice
sleek wadi
Jungle already has tons of useful equipment, gives access to Witch Doctor and thus flasks, defines 2 tiers of progression, and has like 4 exclusive ores and 6 exclusive bosses. Give some love to the snow biome or spread biomes instead man
dusty stirrup
Pyramid, on ice!
hearty yew
@chilly osprey I think it would work better if Armageddon did all these things itself
when Armageddon is active, proficiencies are capped
and then it wouldn't require revengeance either
chilly osprey
@hearty yew some ppl may want to do Armageddon without nohitting rules
chilly osprey
Then again people who use armegeddon follow nihitting rules soo
hearty yew
everything except for the proficiency caps are things Armageddon either already does, or should do on its own
it's definitely an idea i support
chilly osprey
okay ill edit some of it
hollow shell
Why not just make the Bottlecap set proficiency caps? Why have it turn on Rev and Armageddon?
hearty yew
^
The alternative is that
Bottlecap is the Proficiency Cap button
and it has no other effects
chilly osprey
okay
hearty yew
and everything else you said is added to armageddon
that makes the most sense, actually
chilly osprey
okay what about this
Bottlecap
Small in your hand, yet it pulses with power.
Included in the Calamity Started Bag, and can be crafted with nothing at a demon altar.
Sets and caps all proficiency levels to 5 in pre-hardmode, 10 in hardmode, and 15 post-moonlord.
This is intended for people who are interested in no-hitting, because currently, no-hitters face a major problem: proficiency levels can’t be lowered. Since there are pre-hardmode and pre-moonlord proficiency limits, once they are crossed, they need to create a new character to reset their level.
hollow shell
also
@hardy sparrow Post-SCal content is coming in the future, guaranteed. No need to make an especially broad suggestion about it. If there's something specific you want post-SCal then you can suggest that.
And you're going to need to be a lot more descriptive about the Xeroc armor thing. What does it mean that "its true potential is unleashed"?
That suggestion looks good, FighterKirby
hearty yew
it's a toggle-able
hollow shell
It would help to include that, yes.
hearty yew
that's what he said originally
cause he said "when used"
though what w/ normality relocator existing
We could have a lot more calamity items be "In Inventory" items
warm tinsel
Rip Plagued Biome was suggested already TWT
hollow shell
Also hol up, possible oversight with Bottlecap
What if you want to re-do an earlier no-hit but you already entered the next stage of the game?
radiant meadow
you make a new char then
hollow shell
It'd be better if something was added to Bottlecap to stop that from happening
radiant meadow
or you can use apoth wof and ml unkillers
hollow shell
Because that's
exactly what Bottlecap exists to prevent
chilly osprey
I included "Toggleable"
radiant meadow
have the when you die only happen when a boss is alive
might be too cheesy for events and stuff
and the tooltip already says bosses should despawn when you die, but they don't
chilly osprey
what do u mean
added "whilst a boss is alive"
imma gtg, will come back tho to look at disscussion
hollow shell
cya
chilly osprey
oh, there's nothing.
worthy raptor
Can't you disable the demon? I thought you could
echo night
i just asked people and no
worthy raptor
Cosmic plushie does it I think?
ashen warren
I literally said you could.
"However to disable it you can cheat in a cosmic plushie.
Do note that you need to keep food on you at all times."
echo night
oh i thought you where talking to hi im hi
ashen warren
smh my head
radiant meadow
tbf, is it ever a good idea for the only way to disable it being a dm exclusive hardcore item that is cheated in 99% of the time?
ashen warren
^
echo night
actually i don't even know what da f the cosmic plushie is and if its op, and dm exclusive than yes
its pretty stupid
ashen warren
Cosmic plushie is a pet.
echo night
from?
ashen warren
You need to kill DoG on a hardcore character in death.
proven tide
While I like the idea of including these tracks, TOACW isn't exactly fitting for a chain of intense boss fights
ashen warren
That's like 25 megabytes for next to no reason.
sacred thorn
Ok
ashen warren
It's sitting at 120ish megabytes right now.
That's quadruple most of the big content mods.
delicate raft
radiant meadow
well, music is adds extremely important content 
sacred thorn
So is that a no on that suggestion?
radiant meadow
it's a good suggestion
but like music takes up tons of space
oh, and the fact that there is 5 tiers
hollow shell
It's a neat idea to play them during the rush
but yeah I don't think we have enough interlude songs to fill the whole thing
radiant meadow
there's only 3 interludes+the title theme
yet there is 5 tiers
maybe squeeze in Threats of the Ocean Floor 
ashen warren
and that's not to say each tier can take quite some time to get through
hollow shell
wait
That could work if we choose to just have the normal songs play during the 5th tier
hollow shell
considering all the other songs are supposed to be building up to something
radiant meadow
the first 4 tiers take up like half of the boss rush
earnest raptor
Useless suggestion.
2 from 3 interludes and ToCW are ambient music.
That didn't fit with general theme of boss rush.
ashen warren
It's not meant to be like rev.
proven tide
^
tulip parcel
Yeah death drops are a specific thing
zinc violet
Oh wait nvm
proven tide
also starring yourself is bad
zinc violet
Sorry
radiant meadow
just read the rules next time
tulip parcel
Suggestion: Starring You!
ashen warren
holy shit vorbis that cat is going ham
tulip parcel
He's debating internet politics online
Gotta keep up with the other keyboard warriors mkay
spiral olive
o hey wb vorbis o/
tulip parcel
hey there
I've returned from my self inflicted exile
To like... I dunno. Sit here and suggest unneeded things
spiral olive
radiant meadow
Suggested things that basically get ignored and die in the dev server? 🙃
spiral olive
tbh phantoplasm farming is just dungeon zerging so more ways to get it is p cool
tulip parcel
Yeah my suggestions probably like
get one look, a dev might sniff
"that's neat"
and into the tresh
when are they gonna take the trash out, danny devito can smell the trash, man
proven tide
Okay, seriously, why do people ever think pink and gold is a good clothing aesthetic, ever?
(@candid dove you have been summoned by the smell of trash)
candid dove
pale bluff
the Enemy suggestion Vorbis made sounds like a neat one imo
tulip parcel
so rude
craggy elk
arent we all trash deep down
tulip parcel
ban danny when
radiant meadow
tbh yes
ashen warren
If the ghost crawler has a cute scuttle animation like gem crawlers then I'll star.
craggy elk
i can imagining it just acting like a puppy
ashen warren
@tulip parcel this is important, is there a cute scuttle?
tulip parcel
I imagine it has a short like... y'know how Plantera's vines extend out a lot
craggy elk
so... no scuttle
tulip parcel
I imagine the range of the ghost crawler's limbs has a very low potential range
craggy elk
oh... so wall scuttle?
tulip parcel
so it may have to scuttle
ashen warren
Sweet.
craggy elk
nice
ashen warren
Easy star
craggy elk
^
proven tide
ffr vorbis I'm a chick
sinful violet
You mean besides dance of light yes?
proven tide
Deathhail Staff is also more lightning-like, being bolts of energy
proven tide
<stars self>
nice
NGL though, lifeless motionless balls of ooga booga earned my star immediately
sinful violet
i've always wanted those to have more life in em
i think someone did a resprite of them animated once though
ashen warren
Brimstone monsters are boring af as they are.
craggy elk
"balls of ooga booga"
sinful violet
Do you have a better description?
radiant meadow
big balls that are out to kill me and make me want to die?
arctic pelican
10/10 description of the brimstone monsters. Fully agree with the rest of the suggestion but that line was great
arctic wren
lifeless motionless orbs of ooga booga
pliant bone
Tbh, as long as isnt that dark that it blends with the background
That would be annoying af
Reminder that the background is black while fighting scal
ashen warren
and the ooga booga balls.
craggy elk
isnt this just a different pheonix flame barrage?
pale bluff
Lifeless Motionless Balls of Ooga Booga
god I fucking love that, Instant star
No joke, I actually laughed my ass of at that
fervent sky
@craggy elk it fires crystals from the tome and the sky and is obtained much earlier than Yharon
proven tide
170 motionless lifeless bees of ooga booga
tulip parcel
So I’m about to suggest something but I need some input/knowledge first
One, is there an ingame tracker of how many town NPCs there are, and can this be tracked for the purposes of an item’s stats - as in, using the amount of NPCs as a variable for the item’s damage
Two, is soviet russia better represented by a hammer and sickle, a grizzly bear in an ushanka, or a waving Soviet flag
placid moth
It can be represented by anything
ashen warren
Shhhhhhhh
ancient dragon
Title theme was already confirmed to be impossible without gross coding shenanigans that'd heave on the performance; use a wavebank instead.
Not sure about background though.
frosty kindle
vanilla code and the fact that a lot of stuff is hardcoded is a pain
sinful violet
iirc it had to do with terraria running the music for a title screen before the mods are even loaded
ancient dragon
I thought it was the exact opposite? Calamity music played once, then got overridden?
ancient dragon
Darn.
hollow shell
@ashen warren You could make it clearer that you mean the title screen and not the name of the Calamity Mod. I was confused reading at first
ashen warren
@hollow shell im terribly sorry about that.
ashen warren
There I fixed it. There should be no more confusion now lol
hollow shell
👍
fossil torrent
Pretty sure that was the intent when the song/newest calamity logo was released, but they didn't quite manage to do it
But since both texturepacks and Overhaul do this i actually don't really see why you wouldn't be able to
Is there an explaination to this @hollow shell?
Or am I wrong and there hasn't been plans for that, or it's in the works?
ruby cobalt
do what? replace title with ToACW?
reef mountain
Terion, the true hero’s sword.
❔the sword once found and wielded by the great explorer and hero, braelor.
It is said that its full power can only be used by a true hero.
240 base damage(melee)
Fast(21)
On swing, shoots two homing projectiles that, on hit, will stop for one second and then home onto the next nearest target.
This, at max, can happen 3 times(so 6 hits per swing)
Every time the projectile hit 2-4 hp is healed to the player if the player is within 15 tiles of the target, the heal cap does not interfere with this effect.
Also, each hit have a chance for several effects to appear:
It may inflect marked for death for 8 seconds (5%)
It may cause Silva stun for 1/4 of a second, or 15 frames (2% on a critical hit)
It may heal for 1/3 the damage dealt(0.5%)
Only one affect can appear per hit.
🛠 terratomere, storm ruler, grand guardian, influx waver, 5 galactic singularity, 5 bars of life, 5 ulibloom bars.
users of the exoblade line really sucked in post-moonlord, especially post-providence, which is sad considering how tedious it is to get this weapon.
Note that this is a side-grade of the terratomere, not an up-grade.
Players who don’t want to grind this should still be able to use the terratomere in the exoblade’s recipe.
ruby cobalt
it played vanilla theme once along with Tale
Fab and Boffin never got it to work so they scrapped it
wheat zenith
took 4 minutes for me to change it just now, maybe I'm missing something though :^S
ah, yeah, its weird - you'll still hear the vanilla music on startup for a couple seconds, though it works fine otherwise
title portion should still be pretty easy, but its not nearly as nice if it doesn't have the custom music to accompany it
so I get why the devs wouldn't want to only just add that
reef mountain
Any ideas???
arctic wren
Why would a post-providence sword be a side grade to a pre-moonlord sword?
I can understand not wanting to have this upgrade in the exoblade recipe (tho.ugh imo if such an upgrade were to be made it should be) but that wouldn't make it not an upgrade.
The SDFMG isn't part of the recipe for Svatechnical (so as to not make the gun rev exclusive, at least for crafting), but it's still an upgrade of the SDMG regardless.
As for the sword.... oh boy
reef mountain
I called it a side grade due to the fact that it could be used for exoblade, but not necessary.
arctic wren
20% chance to do 10x damage multiplies the overall damage by 2
reef mountain
When used as true melee...
arctic wren
1 hp per hit, 6 times per swing, 3 times per second = 18 hp/s healing minimum
... oh
sleek wadi
True melee doesn't care about this sword due to the projectile existing.
arctic wren
^
reef mountain
That healing is if all the hits hit...
arctic wren
against a boss like polterghast that isn't a tall order, no offense
lots of things for the projectile to bounce onto at least in p3
reef mountain
It’s a dreadfully long and hard grind compared to most other swords though.
arctic wren
clones, summoned spirits, etc.
reef mountain
Just like how terratomere isn’t broken due to long recipe.
arctic wren
most of the effects look okay just nerf the healing and maybe nerf the effects but make them not true melee hits only
terratomere isn't broken because it just isn't
the damage is good and the homing is good but it's not like it utterly trivializes moonlord, especially with the healing gone
sleek wadi
Insane recipes do not account for balance.
arctic wren
It's strong and it's strength is warranted but it's not too strong. Spark is correct.
frosty kindle
example: Apoth
arctic wren
(look at Apotheosis)
sleek wadi
Rarity only plays into balance in the case of ammo, and in those few cases it's because the stacks are capped super low.
arctic wren
Slightly is the key word here imo
sleek wadi
However, it is only SLIGHTLY stronger. Here the weapon has a chance to deal an ultra crit.
tired haven
Ultra crits are not that benefical if you just cut base dmg for that
arctic wren
the worst thing here is the self healing imo
It's really strong for the bosses you'd use it against
I don't really think having a sword with so many affects in both projectile and true melee really meshes together well either
sleek wadi
Split the sword into 2.
sleek wadi
One for projectile, one for true melee. Each sword keeps their respective effects.
devout seal
Terratomere was horrifically busted while the projectiles had healing
arctic wren
exoblade is one weapon and just because one end-game made of fucking everything sword has it doesn't mean other swords should be that cluttered
reef mountain
Btw, Another reason this exists is because it fits into canonical lore(draedon is more of a mechanic than a sword smith,
So it’s unlikely he will come up with a recipe that contains half the swords known to men.)
(Sorry about bad formatting)
arctic wren
It was his personal weapon though 🤔
And Draedon was said to be a super genius wasn't he
reef mountain
He’s not said to be anything other than a tall alien that make robots, technically.
tired haven
I don't think it was his own sword
He just forged one
And it turned out to be legendary creation
I don't have anything against overly complex weapon mechanics as long as they are balanced, and this is mostly dev team's work
reef mountain
So, with my ‘personal’ lore, this sword was forged by someone unknown, given to braelor, who canonically lost to one of draedon’s mechs(amidias quote), and draedon was interested in this weapon’s potential but can’t get it to be used at full power, but made slight changes to it so it’s now good for whoever he want to wield to wield.
arctic wren
(which is why the mega crits weren't much of an issue on paper imo, given doubling damage on true melee which is the effective result isn't much of an issue considering it's... uh, true melee? I trust the devs to make the damage not absurd
though one could just make projectiles deal half the damage of a single blade hit for the same effect? but given the other true melee effects would've blocked it)
reef mountain
The mega crits were removed.
arctic wren
I know
tired haven
They were adjusted to 5 times instead of 10 iirc
On silva that is, I believe this was inspiration mechanic
(Not literal inspiration but one for the original suggestion)
ancient dragon
@neat trout How's anyone supposed to gather meaning from that? Please be more specific.
ashen warren
There's already a rogue update scheduled smh.
tired haven
These suggestions are like "This man certainly lives in a universe", don't do them like that and provide at least some detail
gentle chasm
so, the reasoning behind this suggestion is that i had only 3 blighted eyes spawn with 7 minutes of the zerg buff.
ancient dragon
Explain in the post, not to us.
gentle chasm
ok
ashen warren
What's your modlist?
iirc there's a thing that happens with spawnrates if you have too many mods that add enemies
Unless that was fixed.
gentle chasm
well, i have furniture food and fun, so maybe the jacks were cluttering it up because they have an extremely high spawn rate
ashen warren
It's something to do with npc spawn limits or whatever.
gentle chasm
well their spawn rate must be around the same as rainbow slimes since i had nearly the same amount of rainbow slimes as blighted eyes
civic rampart
@onyx marten well... you can do it yourself
onyx marten
i don't rly have the time ngl, college and all
i just play for fun
but i could try
cheat sheet here i come lol
gonna start with the dev weapons on a specific world for them i think
any suggestions for what i should do after them?
civic rampart
rogue>summoner>ranger>mage>melee weaps? (btw the weapon list in calamity is huge so glhf)
onyx marten
thnx. i'll dig out an old notebook so i will.
just scribble down what in think the average dps is
i*
civic rampart
Test it against real bosses tbh
sick bane
yeah
onyx marten
i have improved dummy from uh... luiafk? eye of cthulhu hitbox, and summons target it, homing weapons home in, etc.
would that do?
ashen warren
I'd use super dummies tbh.
Improved dummy can fudge dps numbers higher than they actually are.
onyx marten
ah, ok then
i'll just cheatsheet a few setups with them then
i'm actually wanting to do this now, lol
ashen warren
Make sure it's with only calamity and cheatsheet, no other mod influe- I just realized the channel we're in.
Offtopic.
onyx marten
yeah, i'll disable all my others.
terse sundial
We have no need to add "base average dps" to the wiki, as we already have base dps for each weapon. You "as the player" can use that base dps to assume that your average dps is around that number, excluding modifiers, accessories etc.
Everglade Spray is an indirect upgrade ATM, but I approve of having the golden shower in its recipe.
ashen warren
Add curses flames bc it has dual function
mystic walrus
@onyx marten funny you ask that because i'm actually working on that list right now, though it'll take a long time for obvious reasons
languid ermine
yeah could work
mystic walrus
and by a long time i mean probably maybe a week lul since i'm doing multiple ammunition types for every single gun/bow
earnest raptor
Gauntlet of Berserk
Accessory
If holder's Rage is full, all attacks will inflicts In Fire!
On activated Rage, any burning enemy will give you a additional life regen
🛠 : 5 Leather + 5 Fireblossom + 5 Fallen Star + 1 Victide Bar @ Anvil
Gauntlet of Challenge
If your Adrenaline full, you will recieve the 35% bonus speed of movement and attack.
Effect will fade out as Adrenaline are burnouts.
If Adrenaline is activated, you will rapidly unleash a homing cursed fireballs.
🛠 : 5 Leather + 5 Seeds of Grass + 12 Potion of Swiftness + 5 Fallen Star @ Anvil
: Rage & Adrenaline mechanics can be hold something higher, that just bonus damage. Seems to be cool have some effects, when that bars are charged or unleashed.
sleek wigeon
Thats
pretty bad
on fire isnt a particularly strong debuff
its like .5 hp per second
mystic walrus
if you'd like to help me with the project i can invite you to the doc and we can split the work
also shouldn't that be in the actual suggestions? this is where we discuss them
fossil torrent
Replacing the ichor with golden shower in everglade recipe makes a lot of sense
@frail mantle Maybe add to the reason how it’s annoying how you have to use ichor TWICE to make TWO golden showers, instead of upgrading the one you got?
like stating that in the suggestion I think would help
frail mantle
hollow shell
Cool ideas, Bobylev 👍
night cradle
^
tulip parcel
Doombox
"Keep the beat"
Post-Moonlord Magic Weapon
Magic Harp + Armored Shells + Effulgent Feather
Crafted @ Draedon's Forge
A large boombox, colored similarly to the Bumblebirb. When being used, the player holds the Doombox on their shoulder.
While firing, the Doombox fires five notes in a line similarly to the Magic Harp; these have all the same properties of the Magic Harp's notes, but each use of the Doombox only costs 4 Mana.
The weapon additionally has a red metronome that hovers above the player while the Doombox is their active item, set to 4:4 time. If the player manages to fire exactly on one of these timings, the damage from that shot has both its mana cost and damage doubled.
If the player manages to hit all three timings within the metronome without hitting any other errant notes, the third shot deals 500% damage. After this, the metronome's color shifts from red to orange and increases the mana cost and damage by 50%. Getting the timing correct at this time applies the same 200/200/200/500% bonus, however these bonuses are applied after the metronome damage boost. Upon completing a second bar the color shifts from orange to yellow, the mana cost and damage are again increased by 50%, and the cycle repeats.
This cycle ends upon the metronome turning violet, at which point it ceases increasing damage or mana cost after every successful bar. However it will retain its color until the player makes a mistake or switches weapons.
Kind of a long winded one I know, if you could help me to shrink it down I'd appreciate it
frail mantle
that sounds like a Calamity bard weapon tbh
tulip parcel
That's... sssort of the idea but not?
Bard weapons rely on their own resource system, this is more about rewarding players who can keep the rhythm under stress
sinful violet
iirc there’s a metronome accessory which does something similar, but ye, this seems interesting
Maybe if that calamity and thorium cross content thing ever happens
tulip parcel
This and magic harp wouldn't be hard to alter I don't think
If they do ever cross content
as it stands... lemme math this out
theoretically - this is not the final damage of the weapons ofc, but let's say the starting damage per note is 5
sinful violet
@ashen warren Already happening
ashen warren
@Vermillion 👌 👌
sinful violet
Would you mind deleting your suggestion?
ashen warren
Of course
sinful violet
Thanke
tulip parcel
R 10/10/10/25
O 14/14/14/35
Y 20/20/20/50
G 30/30/30/75
B 44/44/44/110
I 66/66/66/165
V 98/98/98/245
That would be how much damage per note you deal if it started at 5 damage
is that fair for post-moonlord?
frail mantle
yea i think so
civic rampart
Cough 5000%dmg boost is fair for post ml
frail mantle
with 5 base damage it is indeed
gaunt karma
I like how the one saying "add more variety to rogue" doesn't even have stars or !
elder yew
Doombox seems like a really cool concept but I don't want to know how hard that would be to code
ashen warren
I swear there's already a magic harp upgrade.
vestal elbow
it's part of his charm
sinful violet
that wasn't fixed already? 
hollow shell
It overlapping with itself was fixed, but the sound itself is still p loud
sinful violet
ah that
lost agate
@high snow are you suggesting something at all?
quick dove
it seems like you're reporting a bug with that suggestion
high snow
Oh
radiant meadow
is that not intended though?
high snow
Not really as a bug
radiant meadow
birb can go through platforms when it wants to charge at you
radiant meadow
if it's intended though, then it isn't a bug is what I'm saying
high snow
Hmm, okay then
radiant meadow
bumblebirb is not meant to be an overly difficult boss
it's just an optional stepping stone to get some more gear before providence
high snow
Ah, gotcha
hollow shell
It'd be better if you reworded the suggestion to be an actual suggestion in the first sentence, as it currently seems like you're stating a fact @high snow
high snow
Thank you
hollow shell
That's not what I meant.
Your first sentence is "Bumblebirb can go through platforms"
It cannot. You think it should, and it should be worded as such
ex.
"Bumblebirb should be able to go through platforms"
or
"Currently, Bumblebirb can't go through platforms"
high snow
I just worded it wrong, my B
hollow shell
Aight cool
I would have preferred if you kept your reasoning with the cheese strat
but
maybe I'm being picky iunno
ashen warren
Should players with the name "Yharim" be able to use Yharim's Crystal because, well...
pale bluff
that seems reasonable
lost agate
And then get instakilled by yharim when he comes out 
cold terrace
@ashen warren siren song is the direct upgrade to the harp, drops from levi bag
ashen warren
Not what I meant?
I meant the ultimate upgrade, the Face Melter.
Which also includes the siren's song tho
cold terrace
face melter isnt that great afaik
ashen warren
Unfortunately so
sinful violet
Which block turns into which block probably isn't too big of a deal, but it also makes no sense
All the solutions ingame currently are for spreading or infectious themes.
pale bluff
why not have an Astral Infection solution?
pale bluff
wait really?
ashen warren
Astral solution yep
pale bluff
shit i'm such a noob
ashen warren
Is aight
sinful violet
inb4 plague solution
ashen warren
That sounds cursed
sinful violet
I live for cursed.
cyan lagoon
Stop this train
pale bluff
Thomas Solution
ashen warren
While it sounds good in concept, non spreading biome solutions shouldnt exist because eventually, someone will try to ask for an abyss solution.
Nerf normal yharon
Why?
Or how for that matter
pale bluff
Normal Mode stinks
ashen warren
Ironically, since you don't have rippers or special accessories, normal mode can be considered harder in some aspects.
ashen warren
At least in expert you get some accessories, but ech
Yharon in normal mode destroys players
Okay? With what attack?
All of them
You have trash accessories in normal
Seraph tracers at scal and yharon
Still usable
No lol
Well, if you don't have much of an idea, try elaborating it.
elder sparrow
it just has to do something but i know too little about the boss since its so easy to beat
ok read the full suggestion
yeah that could be a minor fix
radiant meadow
what 2 items? pwnagehammer? All of the charred ore items are that tier which includes brimblade, brimrose staff, and brimstone fury, (and some sword)
teal ibex
birb actually bounces on platforms if he's onscreen and not charging afaik
i suppose the charred can account for that progression but it still feels a little weird to search for chlorophyte related recipes and find literally 1 weapon you could actually make
so the calamity content just kinda wraps outside all of the vanilla content, which i don't recall being super common throughout
hollow shell
It'd make more sense to say you want more things crafted using Chlorophyte, if that's what you want, rather than saying to have more stuff in its tier
teal ibex
yeah i've rephrased it
the "them" was not very informative of my intent
but yeah, i can't think of any other sections of the game where the vanilla materials are as unincorporated as right there, it was kind of shocking to me, though there is a decent chunk of stuff associated with charred ore
ashen warren
Should the Perforators have a Spine/Worm themed upgrade to the vilethorn similar to how the Hive Mind has a counterpart to the crimson rod?
There are no bosses it'd be useful for.
Unless you intend for it to be a WoF killer.
Thematically, it's better than the aorta of all things
Night's ray is essentially vilethorn but better.
Also if it was a WoF killer, the CVS would just become even more irrelevant
cvs?
Crystal Vile Shard
Otherwise known as Disappointment
What's that?
ashen warren
Wait, is it the mimic drop?
Yep
The one you trash because you actually want celestial claymore/stormbow?
On a side note, why are all the Mimic mage drops absolute shit
I don't even know the corrupt one.
hollow shell
Clinger Staff, summons a wall of cursed flame
ashen warren
Life drain is alright though.
Back to my vilethorn upgrade, the one place it'd be useful for is the Slime god if it drops from perfs
Because of those annoying little minions it spawns.
Slime god is about large AoE damage or strong single target.
The adds spawned by SG are super inconsequential since they have like 1 health.
I'd be nice to kill them when they spawn though, especially the Ebonian ones.
tulip parcel
They’re not totally inconsequential if you nohit
ashen warren
I'm not entirely sure, but the SG slimes can get mowed down by multiple hits?
Nah they have KB resist.
What?
KnockBack resist.
nvm
The general theme with corruption and crimson is corruption = mage and crimson = melee.
Also, aorta happens to be how I kill WoF because gelitic blade doesn't do enough dps.
Aorta also happens to have no counterpart to the corruption, which is strange, considering how most of the drops are interchanged/are the same in either boss (HiveMind or Perf).
Aortas counterpart is the shaderain staff.
It's the strongest ingame proof for corruption = mage and crimson = melee.
I think Crimson is stronger in general at the expense of higher difficulty.
It has much more enemies and whatnot, and also Vampy knives.
Ngl I find perfs and brain easier than EoW and hive mind.
You find EoW hard.
Nope.
They're all easy.
Just the crimson ones are easier.
Corruption in general is lacking, and when the boss is just a bigger version of whatever is trying to attack you, it is on principle easier. The brain and Perfs are unique in themselves and benefit from that by bringing an unexpected element when fighting them rather than just fighting an oversized devourer and a mook general.
Oh yes, crimson is far more interesting.
It's not harder imo, this is sorta offtopic now that I think about it though.
noble patrol
I know this may be over asked
But can you please add a thrower variation to the weapons that are now rogue
ashen warren
why
noble patrol
ashen warren
No, really, come up with a reason
vestal elbow
Fabsol won't
Throwing code is shit
ashen warren
Try again
fresh harbor
Throwing code is a mess and I'm sure the devs don't want to go near it
quick dove
apparently redcoded spaghetti vanilla shit shenanigans
ashen warren
Rogue is trying to be something different
noble patrol
There was absolutely no reason
quick dove
vestal elbow
not really tho 🤔
their throwing content still works
ashen warren
Look at what I posted thanks, vapor.
ashen warren
No
quick dove
no
noble patrol
No
quick dove
its now two ''separate'' classes
are you delusional
do you suffer from mental illness
noble patrol
No u
fresh harbor
You don't see people talking how Bard or Healer ruins for other mods, why would Rogue ruin it?
ashen warren
^
vestal elbow
^
quick dove
^
vestal elbow
Rogue is going to be a different class eventually
It already has some of its own unique mechanics like the stealth 
hollow shell
Make Rogue more unique instead of less unique
smh
ashen warren
"I cannot tell you the most important reason why we switched from throwing to rogue, but just know that there is a very important reason that will be revealed later.
Rogue has more potential than throwing either way, stealth mechanics that don't slow the player down, more unique weapons, melee-like weapons (instead of just vomiting projectiles like ranged), etc.
And Calamity has always been known to do what other mods don't I guess, why add content to a class that's basically dead in vanilla when every other mod already does the same but better (Thorium, Sacred Tools, etc.)?"
- Fabsol, since it seems you didn't read it.
hollow shell
I see you have a very high IQ
noble patrol
^
quick dove
rogue is supposed to just bazinga on the lack of throwing content in vanilla and make it an actually decent clas
quick dove
right now its not at its best - thought fabsol plans to add bjazilion new mechanics and shit to it
ashen warren
Okay, yeah, he might be a bit delusional
hollow shell
Cosmic Kunai has been made Rogue, yes.
quick dove
weapons from vanilla (ex shuriken or whatever) are still throwing and wont change
noble patrol
Why isn’t it thrown...if you throw it
ashen warren
Did you know that "Do not be disruptive" is a rule? @noble patrol
hollow shell
This is true
teal ibex
c'mon man at least try to make it fun
quick dove
mate we already said
noble patrol
Hats what I’m here to do
quick dove
that throwing isnt gonna be expanded still as a throwing class
teal ibex
you're not doin a good job, though
noble patrol
I really don’t care what happens to this mod
quick dove
because the coding it is probably gonna be ass
then why the living fuck are you here or suggesting something about it smH
noble patrol
Rogue=ass
ashen warren
seal, he's just trolling
noble patrol
^
ashen warren
Leave him to stew
hollow shell
oof
noble patrol
teal ibex
i envy the usage of free time in this manner ngl
quick dove
im gonna be watching his punishment thank you for informing me
noble patrol
stew
teal ibex
i only wish you made it more interesting for the rest of us
noble patrol
Ehhhh
hollow shell
@radiant meadow warn this man for bait
noble patrol
Could’ve done better right
hollow shell
preferably verbally cuz he hasn't done anything super bad just kinda bein a dick
teal ibex
significantly, yeah 
ashen warren
Try again, somewhere else
ashen warren
Shh, it's just emoting for attention
noble patrol
Shhhh
radiant meadow
@noble patrol please try to keep the emote spam down, lower the fragmenting, and try to contribute more useful things to the conversation at hand
radiant meadow
It also isn't a good idea to talk bad about something without backing it up with good reasoning and evidence
ashen warren
Wrong chat
radiant meadow
keep in mind that this channel is for discussing suggestions
noble patrol
I want to suggest something for it
radiant meadow
I'm supposed to be on break D=
ashen warren
About thorium bard/healer.
That doombox seems to be a great bard weapon once thorium/calamity starts happening.
noble patrol
Do you think it should be more thicc
And god looking
^ take that somewhere else
Like it looks really confusing
As if it was a worm
whats he point of this channel if fabsol doesn’t listen to anything here anyway
quick dove
the suggestions that reach 65 stars get sent to an dev server where fabsol looks at it
as most of the suggestions dont seem important to fabsol or whatever it doesnt happen
noble patrol
Anything here ever reached that?
ashen warren
Yep
hollow shell
Yeah we've got a delivery system
noble patrol
Ahhh
hollow shell
Many many suggestions have been delivered
noble patrol
So what has been added by community
ashen warren
Great sand shark.
hollow shell
Quite a few but it's not easy to search for it, unfortunately
Yes GSS was originally a suggestion
noble patrol
That was pretty cool
hollow shell
Yeah the candles
ashen warren
Quite a lot of QoL stuff.
noble patrol
And the Zerg potion helps in a lot of hard times
ashen warren
I'd need to read changelogs to know.
noble patrol
;-;
Do you guys think a better wizard boss would be nice
Maybe an easy mode forest boss
quick dove
what
hollow shell
Boss suggestions aren't allowed.
ashen warren
noble patrol
Sorry
hollow shell
(in #suggestions-voting)
ashen warren
In #suggestions-voting also, but here there's some stuff.
ashen warren
One I will post here because it's pertinant.
"Don't write suggestions just for the sake of writing suggestions
Make sure there is actually a reason to have what you're suggesting"
noble patrol
I came for the troll to see what would happen
hollow shell
It's okay just try not to do it again
hollow shell
Please don't troll for the sake of trolling that's a very bad idea in all sectors
noble patrol
radiant meadow
Trolling is not appreciated tyvm
hollow shell
... I'm going to deliver a bunch of suggestions now because they've been backed up for almost a week 
noble patrol
hollow shell
oh god every day I've procrastinated the problem got exponentially worse
ashen warren
Smh, I could do it.
I'm here literally every day.
noble patrol
What’s the point of the bumble birb
ashen warren
Vapor, you talk about stuff in the calamity talk
radiant meadow
I could do it if I was in dev server
hollow shell
Bumblebirb's purpose is mostly filler to give some content to Post-ML
so you're not just hopping straight from major boss to major boss
noble patrol
Ahhh
hollow shell
no insta-Yharon
radiant meadow
(bumblebirb is pre prov now)
hollow shell
Birb's getting fleshed out soon don't worry
radiant meadow
so insta yharon after doggo it is
vestal elbow
pre-prov birb means its gear is nerfed as well?
noble patrol
Noooo
radiant meadow
it was nerfed already
noble patrol
What gear ;-;
hollow shell
its 3 weapons
vestal elbow
the spear and gun
hollow shell
and yes
noble patrol
I realise... ive never touched a single calamity armor
vestal elbow
and the spell I forgot about
ashen warren
Rouge Slash
noble patrol
Like ever
hollow shell
hey you spelled it right
sinful violet
you mean rogue sash
hollow shell
hey
quick dove
roger slash
ashen warren
hah
radiant meadow
alright, at this point, it's not suggestions anymore so don't mind if I kick all of you out 
ashen warren
@noble patrol Protip, play calamity.
It's fun and you'll understand what we talk about in #suggestions-discussion
noble patrol
I played it multiple
I just always played thrower
Sorry.. I’ll go in other chat
ashen warren
Back on topic, you know how every relevant or limited hardmode ore has a slime?
Specifically calamity ores.
ashen warren
Nope
radiant meadow
auric?
ashen warren
Nope 2
sinful violet
cinderblock
sinful violet
ha fuck you
ashen warren
Hah, but no
vestal elbow
Astral Ore
sinful violet
they used to call me speedy mcfingers when old wah was around
radiant meadow
victory shards? lul
ashen warren
Astral ore is replenishable, Aquatic Scourge
radiant meadow
I know victory shards are replenishable
eoc, ds, as, and cnidrions drop them
a victory shard slime would be a bad idea
arctic wren
Luminite slime when
ashen warren
ML is a slime u walnut
arctic wren
ashen warren
Timer, get on with it.
arctic wren
If he's a Slime, Goozma is a slime 
ashen warren
I would if people didn't type in non-hm non-joke answers
fuckin, tenebris?
There isn't much else.
radiant meadow
tenebris spreads like the plague 
ashen warren
Plague ore when
Well, the early HM ores are forgotten due to their lackluster effects and the fact you need to hammer altars and then mine the ores, which can give your world a chance of evil spreading, so to bypass that (Not fishing ew), I suggest making respective enemies for the ores (Robots, or otherwise) so that the ores can be easily obtained, similar to how wulfrum enemies help you get a not so aids set of armor faster.
quick dove
oh, as in enemies that drop hm ores
seems alright i guess, mining them is an absolute pain anyways
ashen warren
Smh, fishing is the best route.
It's faster surprisingly enough.
That would be nice.
Then I could finally redo my HM ore alloy suggestion.
Alloy?
sinful violet
isn't that the bar of life
sinful violet
ah
ashen warren
Orithryl is the only one that sounds decent but I can't spell it without c+paste
They're all naming conventions for real metal.
Ties to reality or not, Titanite Steel is a mouthful
Copallt, Adamantitanium
I had so many people complain about titanite being from dark souls that I'm a little triggered when I read that ngl.
Since adamantium is obviously not an option.
ashen warren
no
Really, Adamantite + Titanium is hard to do bc of that one marvel metal, so have fun not having a name that's been used in some form of media.
Found my original notes:
Orithryl Alloy
1 Mythril bar + 1 Orichalcum bar + 1 Soul of Sight = 2 Orithryl Alloy
Has a Plantera colour scheme
Flower styled
Chlorophyte upgrade? Plague cell upgrade?
Mage/Summon themed
Dropped by Plantera and ravager
So, basically, perennial
Man it's like 6 months old.
Not quite.
It's flowers n shit.
Chlorophyte upgrade and the Plantera + Ravager relation is too close imo
On another note, should the Ore enemies be separate for each metal, or have them have something like Copallt Stalker
stop, no copallt
Separate.
copallt is eternal
But to tie them to each other, I'll need a naming scheme, like how the gnasher and trasher are related.
+ore+ Golem
Nah, boring.
You could have them be alloy enemies.
Have fun with titanite
Copallt
Colladium
That is the exact opposite of my word how
I was thinking like Mythril stalker, Adamantite walker, Titanium something
balker
They just freeze when they see you.
Talker, sings
Titanium Skulker
sneek
I mean, dodging is the property of the metal
Stalker for titanium tbh.
Skulk for mythril.
Only reason why I named it that bc LOTR reference
damnit, i don't get it.
I've lost my fantasy fan license.
Frodo has Mythril Chainmail, he can also turn invisible
It's a stretch to be sure
I thought you meant the elf cloak for a second.
Forgot the One fucking Ring.
It's not like the ring was made out of Mythril
Anyways, what will I name the cobalt, Palladium, and Orithwhatever
Orichalcum
Well it's flower ore so.. Bloomer?
Looks like underwear?
Harsh letter + er
hmm
pkgqgx
Sepulchre
Uh, no.
Um.
radiant meadow
can we not have meme suggestions?
ashen warren
Us?
radiant meadow
someone posted something in suggestions for a moment before deleting
ashen warren
Oh, thanks
radiant meadow
the post was "Because someone told me to"
quiet abyss
He prolly just didn't know the ins and outs of #suggestions-voting
ashen warren
Yea, some guy called ian or smthn.
quiet abyss
He was in #calamity-mod-talk earlier talking about wanting to rework raider's talisman and someone told him to put it in #suggestions-voting
ashen warren
Poor guy
Seriously, we should rename suggestions to suggestion_read_pins.
People wouldn't
quiet abyss
ashen warren
Hey, that's a suggestion
Actually make that the case for every channel to hammer the point in.
ashen warren
Hey guys it’s hectique lmao
Anyways, I got raptor, captor, attractor, and Praetor
Third one for orichalcum definitely.
Praetor makes me thing palladium.
Specter
You actually formatted your suggestion well. @hot zephyr
I'm impressed, recently people haven't.
hearty yew
@hot zephyr what exactly does "slight piercing" mean
ashen warren
Pierces one or?
hearty yew
it either hits once or it hits more than once and triggers pierce iframes
which would drastically weaken most weapons
I do like the idea of making them slightly home in, or slightly accelerate towards nearby enemies, or w/e
that's a very cool idea
hot zephyr
Alright new idea, gonna edit the suggestion
hearty yew
talk about it here first
ashen warren
Looks at prismalline.
hearty yew
before editing it
ashen warren
Add pierce to that and it's garbo.
hot zephyr
I changed my original suggestion and marked out my old one
Now it has a projectile speed increase
radiant meadow
prismalline does pierce
quiet abyss
Only its main projectile do though
ashen warren
^
radiant meadow
the initial projectile pierces like once before it can split
quiet abyss
@versed lava https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/488703906981871627/554888777185755166/Discord_l54kcHtqnc.png
radiant meadow
I worded that badly
ye, I know it splits
I meant it can pierce before it splits
hot zephyr
I'm extremely excited for the potential of the Rogue class. Right now it seems unfinished and I'd love a melee/ranged hybrid class.
versed lava
oh sorry i didn't know
hot zephyr
And that's why I'm suffering through a Revengeance playthrough so I can test the new changes
ashen warren
I'm pretty sure it's just a pierces one enemy with no difference to whether it has split or not.
radiant meadow
rogue is unfinished, ye
hot zephyr
Is the stealth referred to in that screenshot referring to our current stealth mechanic?
hearty yew
i can assure you rogue will improve
i don't know exactly what is going to happen
but it's going to get better
hot zephyr
If so, Stealth as of now is underwhelming IMO
versed lava
i forgive ya, so guess ill die
ashen warren
That's the armor mechanic ian.
hot zephyr
Yeah the Armor stand-still thing.
ashen warren
I'm guessing there will be weapons that build on it.
hearty yew
stealth was put in as an overall mechanic just to make sure it worked
ashen warren
Like a psycho knife upgrade or whatever.
hearty yew
i think there are several planned rogue accs too
which contain stealth shit
but it's not what I do so
idk
ashen warren
I just realised your suggestion has the rogue emblem, aren't emblem upgrades all post plant?
And named after a lore entity.
Avenger lol
Statis for rogue/summoner, calamitas for mage, daedalus for ranged and yharim for melee.
By extension draedon for nanotech bc SBOC is trash
ashen warren
That logic is simply too powerful for us to understand
Honestly I never liked yharim's insignia being that lategame.
Use the fire gauntlet then
Nah, it doesn't have a cool name.
I'd rather use void of extinction.
But how else are you going to beat Yharon on normal mode
With biome blade, duh.
Obviously
Anyway, I'd rename the thing to statis' emblem just for consistency.
Maybe give it post-plant materials.
Especially since rogues really don't need more power then. (post mechs)
Brimblade exists.
What if statis' ninja belt crafted into raiders using meld blobs?
sure
radiant meadow
brimblade isn't even the best option post plant
hot zephyr
Hallowed knives?
ashen warren
It'd be quite uninteresting.
radiant meadow
it would be like pwnagehammer
ashen warren
again, uninteresting
radiant meadow
so the bandit's bulwark sounds more like asgard's valor?
hot zephyr
Yeah kinda
ashen warren
And a reward of stealth
hot zephyr
Stay close for a damage boost and mobility but lose the scarf projectile invincibility
ashen warren
Honestly it should be a little longer than CS.
It's far weaker than CS especially since CS buffs everybody now.
hot zephyr
Should Rogue get demon altar ore variants?
I think both Rogue and Summoner should get ore armor variants
hot zephyr
Hardmode armor.
ashen warren
That's about the same tier.
He meant like adamantite and Copallt
Colladium
I see.
There's nothing thematically sneeky that I can think of.
arctic wren
honestly these days I just go straight from Statigel to Daedalus
hot zephyr
Is Obsidian armor supposed to be pre boss or post EOW/BOC
tulip parcel
Advanced Radar
Pre-Hardmode Accessory
Fished from the Abyss or Sulphurous Sea with fishing power between 60 and 140
A classic submarine style radar, with a neon/dark green display.
Acts as a permanent Hunter Potion outside of the Sulphurous Sea/Abyss.
In the Abyss, it does not function as a Hunter Potion. However, it will faintly display the sight line of the Abyss' various mobs, represented only by a faint green shimmer. Additionally causes an intermittent "ping" sound, to keep with it being a radar.
Can be crafted into the Lumenous Amulet as part of its recipe, to grant its effect to the Lumenous Amulet.
hot zephyr
Normally you can't mine obsidian but you can bomb it easily.
ashen warren
Only thing I'd add to your suggestion there is making the enemies being able to see you for every 'ping' as to not prevent overuse.
In the abyss anyways
That'd make it worthless.
Just make a potion of omniscience.
hot zephyr
Ghost leviathan noises
tulip parcel
notices your rod of discord
owo what's this
nah screw the radar
it's trash
I'll think of something else
ashen warren
Rip.
hot zephyr
What if there was a Rogue weapon that dropped from an enemy in Tier 2 old ones army?