why is curse down
#suggestions-discussion
hollow shell
technically yes, Calamitas, but it was a long-ass time ago
young fog
well, it’s suggested now
hollow shell
That's not really what I meant but yes that also seems useful
I was thinking more along the lines of putting something on your screen to show that it's active
like how Rev has the Rage/Adren bars, and Iron Heart has the custom heart texture
elder yew
Could put an X indicator over wings
hollow shell
Yeah if you could add that as an "or" or just as something additional, that'd be nice
Ye that's good
Thanks
young fog
Thanks
hollow shell
@ashen warren Pickaxe power =/= speed
Wulfrum Pickaxe cannot break a lot of things
such as Meteorite, or Dungeon Brick, or Hellstone
but the Deathbringer Pickaxe can
hollow shell
The reason why its so fast is to speed up the early game
which is normally slow as molasses
ashen warren
But it is still broken in a way. I mean I am not complaining (it is an amazing tool) but still a little too fast for starter. Maybe make them harder to get?
Diamonds are probably the best thing you can mine with it funnily enough.
Crystalline and whatnot.
True but I mean isn't that a part of Terraria? Slow at the beginning?
This isn't Terraria, this is Calamity.
True 😁
Mods are supposed to be different, and change things.
Wulfrum is far from imbalanced.
👍
pale bluff
Wulfrum can't mine Hellstone
sleek wigeon
It doesnt have "slow" pickaxe "power"
It has very fast mining speed, intentionally
So you can speed past alot of boring mining
ashen warren
There needs to be a Doom Reference
Does there?
Being serious though, that weapon would have almost no use in hell.
Making the weapon earlier so you can use it for WoF or later for Providence would be a good idea.
pale bluff
thas a good idea tbh, making it useful against very strong bosses
ashen warren
Or even earlier for hellstone gathering.
sleek wadi
Yeah it should be placed at either pre-WoF or post-ML.
This will give you a chance to either use it against WoF and Brimmy or Providence and Signut
frank stratus
low remnant
My suggestion is to simply allow for a way to change the Rage/Adrenaline visuals by clicking on them or something. Making them toggle-able will make more people happy. (Mind you, I quite like the newer ones)
ashen warren
Tbh I just want them to change internal color as you upgrade them.
The frames as-is are nice imo.
pale bluff
yuh
formal prism
Question about music, has the youtuber Turquoise had any of their music added to the mod?
formal prism
oh, great. I recently found an amazing theme involving the mechanical bosses.
cyan lagoon
I can send you an invite if you want
formal prism
oh,, to turquoise's music mod?
cyan lagoon
Ye
formal prism
sure, thanks
arctic pelican
Okay, so. I don't really talk here but can we please stop justifying item suggestions by saying it's a reference to something else?
Just saying it references a cool thing does not mean it adds to the mod quality. In fact, adding a bunch of items just because you want Easter eggs usually lowers quality.
Give an actual reason please folks, even just "I'd like more weapons like this at this tier of progression" or "this weapon idea is cool" is better than "it's from this one thing I like"
(Disclaimer: piono is not a calamity dev, moderator or any kind of person with official standing. Please take his opinions with a grain of salt and close air support on hand in case he's wrong)
ruby cobalt
this is a good opinion
sinful violet
but
arctic pelican
(Also, not saying easter egg items are bad, I like most of the ones in the mod already, but most of them serve another purpose too so it doesn't feel absurdly reference-y)
sinful violet
but my undertale item.,.,.,
ruby cobalt
mrrp
pale bluff
the Gaster Blaster Item in Thorium is p powerful
ruby cobalt
ataraxia and face melter
ashen warren
@arctic pelican
You, I like you.
frail mantle
someone should pin that tbh
pale bluff
eh, I'll prolly hold off on references and stick to more original ideas
Astrobuoy and Confusing Magenta Gem are staying in the Suggestions Channel
arctic pelican
References are okay in moderation, and if they aren't the main point of the suggestion, but yeah original stuff is usually the best stuff anyways
pale bluff
Astrobuoy's reference is just from the name, everything else about it is original
and Confusing Magenta Gem has got liked a lot
so I made 2 sprites for it,which are the weapon itself and the Projectile
arctic pelican
It was a good idea, like I said, being a reference doesn't make it bad (if it did terraria itself would be garbage)
Just saying that there should be more than that, which a lot of folks seem to have forgotten
ruby cobalt
here, let me sum it up - dont suggest for the sake of suggesting, this burning dumpster isnt going anywhere
pale bluff
I kinda liked the Confusing Magenta Gem Suggestion I made
So I ended up making the Sprite for the weapon itself
(Which is my pfp rn)
arctic pelican
Drh is right though, point has been made, no more really needs to be said at the moment
pale bluff
I mostly suggested the Confusing Magenta Gem since there's no real reference to Sonic the Hedgehog in Calamity and that the first Sonic Reference should be a very powerful weapon
rich wagon
like the new borders for the minimap kind of thing in 1.3.6?
low remnant
potentially, but something that allows for the old visuals to be seen again
ashen warren
I'm sensing a really stupid trend, can we not rematch every boss?
That's your own damn fault, the point of the lore is to remember each bosses place in the story.
I don't understand why folks want boss rematches, do you actually like post providence ravager or something?
pliant bone
Hive mind and Perfs already drops Cursed flames and ichor after WoF.
What more do you want from them?
I have no idea how will someone even make Hive Mind/Perfs harder than Clonemitas without changing the original style of the fight.
And no stuff like instagib because that is bad game design
pliant bone
Might as well add a 5th coinslot
so did that pass or not
worthy fiber
Nope
rich inlet
sadness
ashen warren
It's a very reposted suggestion, it's obvious the devs don't want it.
worthy fiber
Coding limitation shenanigans
rich inlet
I guess I’m gonna delet it?
worthy fiber
P much
rich inlet
Aight, gotta think bout better stuff next time
ashen warren
I don't know why you didn't in the first place but whatever.
delicate vector
Let's make a thing that can be made with a lot of money and then be sold
pliant bone
ashen warren
Npc limit reached.
rich inlet
Not really iirc
pliant bone
So that's how Old DoG got the title of Devourer of Frames
rich inlet
I think its like 8 parts for a small worm?
ashen warren
You hit npc limit with 2 destroyers, seceond one only spawns some of the segments.
Doh
Homer simpson in terraria ladies and gentleman.
ashen warren
You mean Another Worm Boss?
ashen warren
@past mesa next to it is navystone as well
past mesa
ashen warren
yeah, it's in the latest patch
cold terrace
@novel timber hivemind already got nerfed
cold terrace
id delete the post in suggestions if i were you
novel timber
done
sharp turtle
So, the suggestion for having crabulon drop normal mushrooms made me think it'd be cool if there was a crafting recipe for normal mushrooms
Like, glowing mushroom+purification powder
lost agate
Because they arent exactly corrupted?
ashen warren
You can clemontate them, but they become jungle
sonic quest
Maybe using green solution would make more sense
ashen warren
Tho who needs that many normal mushrooms
ashen warren
Making a cloak to raise adrenaline post DoG is kinda pointless since by DoG, you already have max adrenaline upgrades for that 20 second instead of 45 seconds at the start. And since it's post DoG, it would only have viable progression use for Bumblebirb, Yharon, and SCal, but since those bosses either move so fast, fire a ton of projectiles, or both, this item would be pretty pointless post WoF imo since in Hardmode and Post ML, you have adrenaline upgrades and bosses are more complex when compared to Pre-HM
faint rivet
Birb was moved post-guardians
young fog
also it wont work bc you can only gain adren in boss fights
ashen warren
yeah
at least the rage clock would be a new way to build rage since you can't use the spike-nurse thing anymore
but heart of darkness/draedon's heart also build rage
so the cloaks don't have much use outside of Pre-HM since you have no reliable way to effectively get adrenaline/rage in Pre-HM unlike Hardmode and Post-ML whether that be higher hp for rage or Rod of Discord and wings for more dodging abilities
lost agate
Getting adren or rage faster would be disastruous on death mode
elder sparrow
what even is the point of that
by staying still in rev+ prepare to get bombarded you might as well facetank
and by facetanking you gain rage
lost agate
^
elder sparrow
if you gain such stats so slowly theres literally no point in it
elder sparrow
it allows you to get rage without taking damage.
setting itself apart from normal rage
lost agate
That sounds like cheese and a half
No wait i misunderstood
Yeah draedon heart but worse
elder sparrow
well in my eyes its a useless feature
lost agate
Yeah aint convincing me either
mental path
cant wait to abuse that invincibility in multiplayer
i like the idea of the rage rod but it shouldn't be in combat imo
revengeance and death are there for a hard challenge
placid girder
uhh thats on defiled
dusty stirrup
That's defiled only yes
inner rover
oh, is it???
fossil torrent
That is only on defiled.
inner rover
Oh hell
dusty stirrup
This suggestion saddens me
placid girder
yeah lol
elder mist
That means I can delete it.
bitter topaz
is this god?
dusty stirrup
Do your researches
mental path
oh the enemy crit-hit is what youre talking about
inner rover
I forgot I had it on!
oops
man, I should have realized
yeah, call me stupid
BTW Hollowed Shark, I already deleted it.
dusty stirrup
Just don't forget to do your researches next time
sonic quest
oop
inner rover
Yeah, I got Warned back in January for suggesting meme stuff. Apparently it lasts for a month. I have had it for more than a month now.
dense girder
Actually no
inner rover
?
dense girder
You were warned last Wednesday as well
inner rover
really??
dense girder
"Name: @inner rover
Punishment: Warn
Reason: F F F F F F F in #calamity-mod-talk"
inner rover
hang on, let'sdo this in DM
dense girder
I have idiot log access, so I can see all the warns and bans and etc that goes on
You were also warned in January but that expired
until wednesday that is
inner rover
Oh yeah, I remember, but that was only because someone said something like "press F to pay respects"
That is why.
dense girder
I am nothing but a mere ASS (acronym), I cannot aide you in your warn
inner rover
im not asking for my warn to go
dense girder
If you want to appeal talk to a mod, but it was Drh who warned you, and he's gone now, so, uh, whoops
inner rover
im just explaining myself. is all
dense girder
icy, icy
I mean somebody said "can we get an F in chat?" and you posted "f" 6 times in separate messages so I don't blame drh
dense girder
I'm one of the owners of Giveaways 
fossil torrent
Oh right cross-mod bullshit
dense girder
ok
inner rover
well, I will just resume my playthrough now. Laters, taters.
round falcon
Suggestion concept: Rage builds if a fishing line breaks
dense girder
bu-- why though
inner rover
yeah nah
dense girder
that doesn't make much sense and it's a very... specific situation to say the least
"My fishing line... I feel... FURY" yeah no not exactly
gaunt karma
charging adrenaline pre boss is a stupid idea, and we have heart of darkness for charging rage
adrenaline is meant to take skill to get and rage is rage
mental path
that's irl rage
gaunt karma
like honestly charging rage AND adrenaline is just like
hey lets start the boss fight off with 1500% damage for three seconds, thats fun right?
ruby cobalt
correction for like half early bosses: let's not fight the boss
ashen warren
Hmm. Should summons be perishable during boss battles?
gaunt karma
no?
lost agate
Perishable?
gaunt karma
they die/ run out of time
lost agate
Ew no
ashen warren
Why?
gaunt karma
so that the summoner can spam click them back alive then go back to x debuff weapon?
its stupid and pointless
it adds absolutely nothing
lost agate
Imagine having to resummon mechworm every second because it does too much dmg
gaunt karma
they don't soak up damage anyway, enemies don't target summons
lost agate
And its more vanilla code fuckery
gaunt karma
its annoying to code and its annoying in game, adds absolutely nothing
lost agate
Yeah basically
ashen warren
Well, as a compensation for losing said summon, rage could be added.
Though the vanilla code is ech
gaunt karma
all classes have something bad, melee needs to be close, ranged has ammo, mage has mana and rogue is stupid
frosty kindle
or just not include such a bothersome mechanic in the first place
gaunt karma
summoner has to babysit 8 year olds with adhd hopped up on lsd and coffee
frosty kindle
summon already suffers from its AI not even working 100% the time
ashen warren
I'd assume for vanilla and modded alike?
gaunt karma
mhm
summoner has inconsistent damage, and even then at a lot of stages its much worse than other classes
do you know how iffy ice claspers and elemental axe can be? and they both target through walls and can go through them
frosty kindle
and target things offscreen thus leading to ignoring bosses
gaunt karma
yep
thats part of it
like half the time i reset the map completely to despawn stuff just so they'll target stuff slightly less
ashen warren
Would a range limit on summons work?
ashen warren
Smaller range limit then
sonic quest
the axe and clasper's should stick to the player more tbh
gaunt karma
ice claspers have like, max zoomed out range, elemental axe is stupidly high but
i agree
axe and claspers staying a bit closer wouldn't be bad
sonic quest
so annoying to see them constantly teleport to try and get an enemy thats god knows where
gaunt karma
going in a cave to try and farm for say absorber sucks because even if you target an enemy they still have 100s of other targets
ashen warren
Reduce range on summons is a yes?
frosty kindle
the range is fine, targeting method isnt
either always have it prioritize bosses or actually have the targetting function work properly
but vanilla code ruins any hope of such happening.
ruby cobalt
Reminding you that targetting function does nothing if summons already have a target.
And if they kill their current target you have to reapply it.
frosty kindle
tbh summon manual targetting should actually change targets but code machine borked
gaunt karma
yees
ashen warren
Would it be possible to make summons ignore enemies entirely using an ingame item that functions similarly to how the cosmilight changes light and night?
ashen warren
Against what? It is toggleable.
Just toggle enemy targeting and summon a minion on the offending enemy. Then plod along, disable enemy targeting, and switch to a debuff weapon
It'd be an exchange of survival for extra damage.
The only problem I see is that vanillas rarted code would die on the concept.
ashen warren
How so?
ashen warren
To target bosses rather than some blue slime a screen and a half away. And even if they do kill fast enough, they will have ignored the boss, losing damage potential and further lengthening the fight.
the ignorance could be a permanent function, but then the flaw of having boss summons delete you.
And reading some older comments, a summoning gripe is that they "target things offscreen thus leading to ignoring bosses"
young fog
eXcEPt hAdARiAN wINgS
ashen warren
oof
vestal elbow
skyline wings 
spiral olive
i mean, there's skyline wings but you don't really even need wings for cryo
ashen warren
Just run
vestal elbow
isn't MOAB technically pre-cryogen
it's just a glorified bundle + jetpack but still
vestal elbow
pale bluff
MOAB is p good
formal prism
there is an astral wing item called Hadarian Wings; I think the wings are new, as one of the materials for them haven't popped up in my gametime. @still falcon
languid ermine
it has 60 flight tho 
ashen warren
You've always used a piercing weapon for providence guardians though?
For example: Ark of the Elements for guardians and use Galactus Blade otherwise.
Most classes have it that a piercing weapon is their go-to.
Summoner, Rogue and Mage fyi.
And on that "60 flight" comment, community and caribbean rum.
Then you've got seraph tracer speed pre-ml.
vestal elbow
ashen warren
vestal elbow
he left 
cyan lagoon
Thats not polterghast tier though
Its for polterghast yes but not directly after polter bug before dogg
ashen warren
Polts could not bounce off enemies.
Ghost and whatnot.
Oof, I was thinking of how the armor works with the ruinous souls and whatnot
cyan lagoon
Cant blame you for that @ashen warren
ashen warren
It'd just move through them or something.
cyan lagoon
It is rather confusing since they're the only bloodflare items that use the souls
ashen warren
Still dunno why lac was nerfed.
It went from mid-tier to utter garbage.
Was once rlly good against DoG
Once anyways
I only remember it being good for sentinels phase and cosmic guardians.
Cosmic Guardians?
Solar flare beat it otherwise.
Oh, the devourer of thots
ashen warren
Better suggestion, make all the elementals look like their elements.
I, too would like a volcano, two sandstorms, fog, and a water balloon protecting me instead of magic women
languid ermine
nah only make siren look like actual siren
ashen warren
Are you suggesting multiple versions of the same item or?
Some toggle in menus for one (1) cosmetic feature
They'd still be.. madames but out of fire, sand, cloud and water.
waxen pike
I’m not the only one who wants them to look real and this one did at first but now doesn’t and I want to know why
languid ermine
just change the pearl to have siren sprite instead of a water clone jutsu of her
waxen pike
Old was better we had a sentry siren as well and they looked real
ashen warren
Okay, but why
languid ermine
cuz brimmy Sandy rare Sandy and Cloudy all have their sprites and in color
only siren is all water
it's not actually siren just a water clone of her
ashen warren
Since you killed her.
languid ermine
you killed brimmy too
waxen pike
You defeated the others as well and they aren’t clones
ashen warren
That's why I think they should all be clones.
Mind you that the actual siren is mortal and protecting the leviathan
They ded.
The other ones can reform or project themselves, as is when you fight multiple cloud elementals
waxen pike
I see it as you defeated them and now they work for you
languid ermine
multiple brimmies?
ashen warren
Lorewise you kill them, neko.
waxen pike
Same thing you kill brimstone
ashen warren
Yeah, you put the brimmy outta her misery
waxen pike
Even states that inthe lore
ashen warren
Though I suspect you cannot kill the more intangible ones that could reform.
You're meant to be a brutal murderer like yharim, no better than him since you seek higher and higher power.
Do mind that they attack you first
uh, sand and cloud only
And if you use an arid artifact then just cloud.
Siren on a technicality, as she attracts people to their doom
We're immune afaik.
That's why we slap the lure, with a gun.
Brimmy attacks whoever worships her, so ech.
waxen pike
All you who don’t play summoner don’t understand how annoying it is to just have a clone in the middle of the elementals
ashen warren
I have played summoner, heart is ass.
Just get another statis' blessing.
Heart is useful for farming, maybe
waxen pike
Idk I use it and blessing its pretty good
spare pollen
heart is just fun to have tbh, it doesn't seem terribly effective but I like having a harem of elementals
sleek wadi
HotE is 2nd best ball of stats, only loses to community. If you're down a slot use HotE.
waxen pike
Carried that all the way to scal but again that’s not my point looks like only sleepy calamitas gets my point
sleek wadi
Visibility on for Prov and DoG, visibility off for everything else.
languid ermine
Siren Waifu on Heart of the elements SHOULD look like siren
ashen warren
No waifus
spare pollen
Doesn't it?
ashen warren
Why, it's her attack, you're just using it?
spare pollen
That's confusing
ashen warren
They are now just elementals.
radiant meadow
I think there might be plans to focus more on p2 of hm
make p1 shorter and p2 longer
spare pollen
On a bit of a tangent, you guys know any particularly effective weapons for Hive Mind?
radiant meadow
for the next update, but idk how long that'll be
a bit of a tangent that should go to #help-advice-read-pins tbh
spare pollen
alrighty then
ashen warren
Seafoam bomb, that is all.
waxen pike
Ok so your saying the siren is a clone for a reason and we fight a buffed one for real siren ?
radiant meadow
I think there's just more than one siren
the one you fight and the siren lure are different I guess?
ashen warren
I'm saying that if we kill them lorewise and take their shit then it makes sense that it's a clone.
radiant meadow
and the one you fight can make clones that look like the lure
ashen warren
However going by that logic all the elementals should look purely like their element.
waxen pike
Still.... brimstone
dense girder
the last one is entirely transparent
ashen warren
They'd still look like women you fucking perverts.
dense girder
"How dare you think they wouldn't have a gender, you fucking pervert!!" 😕
ashen warren
Perverts tho?
waxen pike
This escalated
radiant meadow
do I want to know where this conversation is headed?
waxen pike
Complained about it being a clone wtf
radiant meadow
ashen warren
Wuh oh, time to look busy boys
dense girder
How to get ideas for a calamity suggestion:
languid ermine
point being that you get all the waifus as they are exept for Siren
as a Collector I want the Actual Siren and not a Water clone of her
and I think there should be a way
dense girder
Step 1 - Open the wiki and click "random page"
Step 2 - Keep going until you find a useless enemy/item
Step 3 - Profit
languid ermine
even if it was a Dye or something
ashen warren
And again. She. Is. Dead.
You killed her.
pale bluff
I still liked making the idea of a Phantom Ruby Weapon that could be crafted into a more powerful Gauntlet
sleek wadi
Death doesn't matter you can bring literally everything back.
dense girder
GlowDonk
Don't forget the why part of it
Don't make a suggestion for the sake of a reference/weapon
waxen pike
Smh agree to disagree it’s not like you actually use the pearl in the first place
radiant meadow
the siren is not an elemental
dense girder
Make a suggestion because you see a clear weapon gap or broken bridge
radiant meadow
the elemental is the lure
sleek wadi
BoC should be completely dead after the first go and there should only be Perforators, but you can still bring it back.
ashen warren
BoC reforms in the crimson
languid ermine
then why is Sandy and rare different from the Sand elemental?
ashen warren
That's because terraria is a terrible game to have a meaningful lore.
languid ermine
sisnce you get the elemental you should get the Sand elemental instead
ashen warren
Sandbox
languid ermine
by that logic
ashen warren
The lore is vague tho, so don't base everything around it
waxen pike
They look better this way but the healing one is useless
radiant meadow
it is, indeed 
pale bluff
the Phantom Ruby weapon's reason is that there's no sort of Sonic Reference in Calamity... nor any sort of Weapon with a Unique Debuff that isn't a useless weapon after you get it
dense girder
Drowning - Debuff
Your lungs are filled with water
While afflicted with Drowning, you lose a bit of health at a rate dependent on your movement speed. Inflicted by ocean enemies, Siren/Leviathan, etc.
= A debuff similar to Electrified but not as ridiculously dangerous as Electrified would be useful for some bosses, as well as suggesting/creating weapons where no other debuffs would apply.
ashen warren
What would inflict this?
pale bluff
🤔
dense girder
Several ocean enemies could
ashen warren
Isn't that just crush depth?
radiant meadow
crush depth is based on your defense
dense girder
also that's for the abyss
ashen warren
Depth blade does drop from sharks
waxen pike
Isn’t that just a vanilla feature if running out of air
radiant meadow
I don't think mantis shrimp needs a debuff 
dense girder
I -- no????
It's not "just" crush depth, they're only similar in the lose health department
waxen pike
Why give something that one shots you a debuff
dense girder
Crush Depth is based on defense, Drowning is based on movement speed
If anything Drowning is just a much weaker version of Electrified
dense girder
What do you mean "it's still just crush depth" then
pale bluff
Marked for Death can one shot you if you have shite DR
ashen warren
Thematically it's just wet but better, like crush depth is wet but better.
Why not make drowning replace normal drowning and also increase damage the further deep you are.
Three whole debuffs for "you've got water on you"
waxen pike
That doesn’t make much sense you will die in less then 2 seconds in abyss anyway
ashen warren
Doesn't the levi + siren enrage based on wetness?
dense girder
wh-- no
ashen warren
If you're wet the cute fishron is buffed.
dense girder
either boss enrages when the other dies first
pale bluff
I wished Duke was basically the SON of Levi
ashen warren
And while wet you take less damage from levi, or at least you used to.
Still do
And siren doesn't beat you up as much
waxen pike
I think that’s still a thing since leviathan dashes at you in hyper speed
dense girder
When you have the Wet debuff, the meteors that The Leviathan spews deal slightly less damage and the Siren's projectiles have a lower velocity.
ye
Anyways, Wet is then a passive debuff, affecting specific situations
This is an actual debuff
You know, one that deals damage/hinders the player, like a real debuff would
dense girder
what is up with you today jeez
You can stop with the whole "X is wet but better" now you know
ashen warren
A real debuff just sounds like life loss with some new gimmick tbh
pale bluff
Suffocation exists and that's too rare to get
waxen pike
I think brimstone and god slayer have that covered
dense girder
This isn't even meant to be an enemy-inflicted debuff what the fuck am I doing
ashen warren
hah
dense girder
It's meant to be a player inflicted debuff for enemies for weapons that are based around water
I'm gonna fix this fucker
(because literally the only option for those weapons is cRuSh DePth)
waxen pike
Ok that makes more sense but question how do you drown a fish
ashen warren
I hope they mention an immunity for inorganic and aquatic bosses
dense girder
Drowning - Debuff
Your lungs are filled with water
While afflicted with Drowning, enemies lose health quickly and turn blue. Does not affect aquatic enemies/bosses.
= This debuff would be useful for giving weapons based around water but not the Abyss their own, proper debuff, instead of either Wet or Crush Depth.
ashen warren
Wouldn't the debuff need to be weak af since almost all enemies move all the time?
Because if someone drown providence, I will scree
dense girder
I don't think movement-based debuffs work on enemies anyways
ashen warren
Confused does, but then again
confused
Imagine if you could confuse scal.
That would be something.
Something awful
waxen pike
You inflict confused by hitting I don’t think movement speed is calculated with enemies
dense girder
you call me a they? on jah? it's a he smh
ashen warren
I honestly started doing that because I got yelled at for calling a she a he, so yeah
dense girder
Then that she is a bit of a bitch ngl
dense girder
If somebody gets mad at you for mistaking their gender as an honest mistake
Don't talk to them lol
But yes, debuff, is it good or is it bood
ashen warren
crsh drph
dense girder
stop mentioning crush depth ffs
ashen warren
Honestly tho, it sounds nice for the new biome if it was nerfed a little.
Tbh it's On Fire! but water now. 
dense girder
sequence
waxen pike
You can’t use movement speed for a source of debuff on enemies
dense girder
why so meanie
ashen warren
I like being sarcastic.
Eh, act how you want.
All the time, sometimes y'all can't tell.
dense girder
It's not meant to be a revolutionary, game-changing addition
It's just a debuff for water weapons
So that they don't have to use CRUSH DEPTH REEE
ashen warren
I could see this working in the place of silva stun if tweaked.
For the new weapons anyway
dense girder
Silva Stun is entirely, entirely, entirely different to this
because, you know, stun
ashen warren
^
ashen warren
SunkSea
Sorry, but piss sea
I dunno why a debuff needs to exist that is literally one of hundreds of flames debuffs.
ashen warren
How tf does this affect QoL?!
dense girder
do I need to explain this honestly smh tbh
ashen warren
Flames are flames, seen water ignite someone before?
dense girder
he means in function
pale bluff
why not have a Weapon that inflicts EVERY Flame Debuff
ashen warren
That'd be neat
dense girder
sequence, the only available debuffs for water right now are wet, and crush depth
of which one does something useful 99.5% of the time
it's not about "grr another flame debuff"
ashen warren
That's a dev weapon, see also > demon flames and shred.
dense girder
it's just to fill the gap and not make fab resort to stupid shit like SILVA STUN
ashen warren
Silva stun is used on the clam pearl right?
pale bluff
Crush Depth is a good Debuff if you use it on an enemy
dense girder
and on several SS weapons iirc
waxen pike
Need fixed, nerf
ashen warren
It also gives use to silva stun.
dense girder
Silva Stun is meant to be for Silva armor
ashen warren
It's worthless on silva armor.
ashen warren
Literally not used on anything worthwhile.
In that case, rename silva stun to something else.
dense girder
Otherwise Fab should rename it to something like "Stunned"
dense girder
Because SS weapons, being themed around, get this, take notes, listen carefully
the ocean
ashen warren
the ocean has an abyss, and guess who's down there
dense girder
should inflict an appropriate debuff, I get that they're "high impact" and Stunned does make relative sense there
waxen pike
Another thing is why did they turn the essence of cinder to essence of sunlight and keep the other 2 -.-
dense girder
but it makes more sense for them to inflict an ocean-themed debuff e.g. Drowning
it would be the counterpart to the Abyss' Crush Depth, if you will
ashen warren
Dunno why being hit by a clam would make me drown above water.
Could grab your face
spiral olive
tbh the effect title doesn't really matter as long as the actual effect does what it should. doesn't really matter that it's silva stun, as long as it stuns
ashen warren
^
dense girder
As I said
Ocean weapons - ocean debuff makes more sense than Big weapons - stun debuff
By that sense, apply silva stun to Any heavy weapon
Staff of the Earth looks pretty fuckin' dangerous and heavy, give it Silva Stun
spiral olive
that seems really pointless tbh, a stun is a stun. don't need multiple stun debuffs
ashen warren
Why not make it more unique to perhaps separate it from other debuffs?
spiral olive
and a "drowning" dot effect could just be crush depth
pale bluff
I have 2 unique Debuffs from my Suggestions that make a non boss enemy not attack you, and give you a massive advantage
dense girder
sharp inhale
dense girder
Crush Depth is based around the Abyss. Drowning is based around the Sunken Sea. There's a distinct difference for a reason.
spiral olive
but they do the same thing basically
dense girder
No they bloody well don't Nin
Crush Depth is based around defense, Drowning is a general life loss debuff
CD's damage is affected by whatever it hits
ashen warren
What would be the correct statement there is that it's underwater flames
Crush depth makes you lose life though.
dense girder
And like I said, instead of making a select few heavy-hitting weapons deal Silva Stun, making ocean themed weapons inflict Drowning makes more sense
spiral olive
crush depth also causes life loss though doesn't it?
dense girder
It's almost like 95% of debuffs do, great observation
quiet abyss
It does, ye
spiral olive
eh, maybe i'm over thinking it but it just seems kinda obsolete
quiet abyss
Though crush depth DoT depends on the target's defense
dense girder
Except Drowning is a fixed loss-of-life rate, meaning that it won't destroy enemies who are being Armor Crunched/Ichored
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Exactly that
Can you see waves hands the clear distinction waves again between the two, Sequence and Nincity????
ancient dragon
Stop being condescending, will ya?
ashen warren
I do feel it could be differentiated a bit more. Even if it is a set debuff
quiet abyss
No need to be sound so- ye what Alexis said^
dense girder
Goodnight, Sequence 👋
spiral olive
idk to me it still just seems like a waste of time to code another dot debuff as well as another stun debuff when both are already right there
's all im saying basically
ashen warren
But yeah, it is just a debuff, you can rework it, it's not set in stone and will most likely not make it past if it's just another life loss debuff if it doesn't have any special gimmick. cya.
pale bluff
Here are 2 Debuffs I made from 2 of my Suggestions in full detail
Delusional (Unique Debuff from the Confusing Magenta Gem): Makes the enemy stationary and look around in confusion as if it's seeing multiples of you. Giving you the advantage to attack the enemy
Phantom Fear (Unique Debuff from the Gauntlet of the Phantom Lord): Makes the enemy attempt to run away as if you are a terrifying entity but gets pulled toward you slowly. Giving you an advantage to catch up to the enemy and strike!
frosty kindle
now the question remains as to, is it entirely useful? gamechanging etc.
ashen warren
^
dense girder
- Silva Stun but with extra effects
- eh it's ok
frosty kindle
like, good ideas, but how exactly would it shine in scenarios other than normal enemies?
pale bluff
Maybe as a way to keep a Mini boss from attacking you, maing the fight with one much easier
ashen warren
Really, those look cosmetic, but cool
pale bluff
they are pretty useful if you have a hard time killing something like a Paladin or a Reaper Shark
all Bosses are immune to both Delusional and Phantom Fear, since they aren't affected by the power of the Confusing Magenta Gem nor the Gauntlet of the Phantom Lord
ancient dragon
@dense girder Had a quick talk with the mods and we've decided it's about time we properly warned you for general toxic behavior such as the above.
dense girder
Fair enough lol
Remember to log it ☝
Rusty Mace - Post-Plantera Flail
Dropped by Rusty Armored Bones. On use, throws a mace in a fast, long, high arc, returning when it hits the ground and hitting enemies along the way. Pierces infinitely. When it hits an enemy, inflicts Silva Stun for 0.25s. When it hits a player, inflicts Silva Stun for 0.25s and Bleeding for 1s.
= Rusty Armored Bones and Dungeon enemies in general could use an extra weapon, seeing as the Keybrand is practically always obsolete when obtained and other Dungeon weapons are fodder for future upgrades.
no boss suggestions
frosty kindle
boss suggestions aren't necessarily allowed, though. even if they get sent to dev server they'll most likely be ignored
dense girder
they wouldn't get sent because they're outright disallowed and would be deleted
pale bluff
alrighty
radiant meadow
I thought all suggestions are basically ignored
ashen warren
"Suggestions to add entire bosses will never be accepted."
This only applies to 🏁
That, that is also true.
pale bluff
are Minibosses accepted?
dense girder
They're allowed
But the chances of them getting sent, much less accepted, are next to nil compared to weapons or gameplay changes
ashen warren
So, this is the right channel tou discuss about suggestions BEFORE posting any suggestions if I understand clearly?
dense girder
Yes
pale bluff
might plan to make the Phantom Lord just a rare enemy in the Space Biome who drops the Empty Gauntlet used to craft the Gauntlet of the Phantom Lord
dense girder
Is this necessary, as an addition to the mod
pale bluff
least likely, since the Empty Gauntlet was originally an uncommon Yharon Drop in Normal mode or higher in my Suggestion
dense girder
Was this actually in the mod or am I dummy
ashen warren
Are pillars hardcoded? I wouldn't be surprised.
craggy elk
probably
alpine garnet
Could create some sort of copy without pillars maybe (doomsayer)
ashen warren
Hmm probably. not bad idea.
ashen warren
Maybe an XL world generating? That could be more fun
Uh, they removed that for a reason.
oof then forget this suggetion discution
Having a raised roof was super buggy apparently, I never saw any bugs though funnily enough.
radiant meadow
most of the bugs were in large worlds
pale bluff
I was planning on making the Phantom Lord a Suggestion but the more I thought about it, the more dumb it sounded
ashen warren
I wonder if they'll add future bosses to the mod, kinda like the related bosses (eye/brain of cuthulu) WIth new objects. mostly positive I feel
devout seal
There won't be future versions of bosses
but there will be bosses to be added in the future
ashen warren
that's what I ment oups xp I ain't englophone sry
Future bosses confirmed to never happen?
DoU and whatnot?
devout seal
they were already removed for not making enough sense.
ashen warren
From what I know they were removed because it caused unrest in the dev team since they were rushed.
pale bluff
THE LORDE was a joke boss that people hated because it didn't give a cool drop (I think)
ashen warren
Uh, that's not a future boss, and people hate the lorde because it's about as funny as a turkey sandwich.
pale bluff
oh
ashen warren
XD a turkey sandwich! Just think if dev team WILL make a turkey sndwich bossifhgt xP What will it drop? Maynase and tomatoes and lettuces and turkey and bread? I guess you're right for the lorde, although I do enjoy a hard challenge
spare pollen
I thought the sprite looked a bit funny in a way.
ashen warren
it is funny looking
spare pollen
Also unrelated but holy crap did that seafoam bomb help out, thanks man
ashen warren
If fab added a turkey sandwich boss I would learn how to code a mod that removes it.
dense girder
what in the manner of god have I just read
quick dove
ashen warren
No problem Ecbrd.
Ask around in #help-advice-read-pins next time.
I should be more active there tbh.
Wait
"I need to then beat Steve"
Huh?
spare pollen
Moon Lord.
I think I've heard someone jokingly say he's got a benign name like Steve or something.
ashen warren
That's an inside joke unless re-logic said it and I'm an idiot.
pale bluff
Re Logic said that, most likely as a joke
ashen warren
Typing moon lord isn't hard and is far clearer though.
And the lorde's real name is?
pale bluff
Lunarius would be a better name imo
The Lorde's real name is too long for me to type, so I suggest looking him up on the Wiki
ashen warren
Hush about the lorde please, it's seriously not funny.
It's based off Yharim ok?
I've burst out of laughing with the turkey sandwich discussion
pale bluff
so it's basically Yharim's idiotic clone?
ashen warren
Ouhhh a failed experiment
pale bluff
nah, just a terribly coded idiotic clone
who is worthless to fight since he gives nothing but disappointment
ashen warren
well, monii
tame moss
Hey, so just a take on the whole siren lure thing.
All the others are primarily elementals, and as such can take or "leave" their form from an artifact.
The siren was the only one with a primarily physical body, so when the player literally kills her to collect the pearl that body is dead.
I see it as her "soul" passing on to becoming a form of elemental, and summons a body made from water like brimmy being made basically from brimstone slag and fire.
because I've seen so many suggestions on the lure I just wanna put that out there
ashen warren
Maybe the syren gets back into a pearl? I mean, when the angler dies, he technically doesn't die. he just leaves the place
tawny heron
Is it possible to make rogue armor buff rogue and throwing at the same time ?
radiant meadow
rogue and throwing will stay separate
that is the intention and I doubt it is going to change
tawny heron
That feels weird, but ok I guess
ashen warren
So you know why they're separate.
fresh harbor
Doesn't every boss apply a zen potion effect when spawning?
radiant meadow
yes
tidal musk
Probably just the usual broken multiplayer stuff
ashen warren
@random spoke You might wanna phrase that as not a demand.
fresh harbor
That or enemies that were already alive before the boss spawned in
random spoke
radiant meadow
hasn't that already been suggested?
ashen warren
"You know how you can place bars in vanilla terraria, do the same for the calamity bars"
You're just telling them to do it with no reason.
tidal musk
Now i have adrenaline even though we killed it and its daytime now, nice
radiant meadow
about placeable bars
pale bluff
the Armor does, but what if the Bricks look nicer than the Shards?
ashen warren
It's 2 colors and lacks any unique features.
The sprites in shape and stuff are nice but the colors are garbo.
radiant meadow
keep in mind that wulfrum enemies no longer spawn in hm
so the furniture is exclusive to pre hardmode 
ashen warren
Ah yes, crappy two-tone furniture that's pre-hm exclusive.
Perfect.
Just get the calamity texture pack and use wood+stone bricks.
Looks way nicer.
pale bluff
What if people like the look of Wulfrum?
ashen warren
2 people have said wulfrum looks good, one said that they wanted to dye it.
The rest are things like "does anyone else think that the wulfrum drones look like lawn mowers?"
tawny heron
Only thing that still annoys me is the hallowed/underworld requirements for the providence fight. I mean, I read the lore and it does imply that her very objective is to "purify everything into partial ash". I don't see why it needs to punish biome swaping so hard, especially when biomes tend to be weird when in flight for example, and providence already punishes that. the air is burning
ashen warren
Just use gallant + mining potion.
Purge the world of ash blocks.
Then slap some pearlstone down and actuate it.
Platforms are good for negating icarus' folly.
tawny heron
1- Does it still work ?
2- But you still need to be close to the ground at all times else the biome changes
ashen warren
#help-advice-read-pins I'll answer there.
unique vector
suggestions havent been sent for a few days now
pliant bone
Can we just have a pin that they dont have plans making vanilla throwing weapons "rogue" or anything similar to Rogue being compatible with Throwing at all?
pale bluff
dang, my Confusing Magenta Gem suggestion has only 25 Stars
devout seal
@random tide Providence was made to drop the exclusive thing to the biome she's in, no matter what
If she's in hallow, but was summoned in an area counting as underworld, she will drop the underworld item.
If she is spawned in a non-underworld hallow, she will drop the wings.
that is how it's been changed.
pliant bone
Besides, you only need the wings like after DoG
tired haven
If you need wings that are not tracers, tarragon wings have better stats
So they are indeed only useful as crafting material for elysian tracers
fading plume
so h
with spirit being fully open sourced
and people able to update it/ use it's assets
is there any chance calamity will take some of the features for themselves?
sinful violet
Spirit’s?
pale bluff
naw
sinful violet
Nah
pale bluff
I could use some assets for my Boss and give credit to the creators of Spirit Mod tho
fervent zealot
@random tide actually no, underworld hallow nets you both
random tide
I've heard that the latest update changes that?
random tide
same tbh
fervent zealot
@ancient dragon we got an uhh lorde suggestion
fossil torrent
ashen warren
Add The Lorde
By "FNaFFan"
Calling troll.
ruby cobalt
@quiet abyss can you like do a quick shooty-shooty
ancient dragon
I'm right here though lemme do something for once. 
ruby cobalt
fervent zealot
tbh i ping mods based on recent activity
ancient dragon
Either way uh yeah no Lorde thanks read guidelines next time babom.
proven tide
oh no
quiet abyss
@hardy sparrow Oi, no lorde suggestion
ancient dragon
i'M RIGHT HERE,
proven tide
Hi right here
fossil torrent
ashen warren
Double-modded.
ancient dragon
hardy sparrow
I like the Lorde but only with some sort of god mode it would be better if it had a smaller hit box
fossil torrent
sandwitched
fervent zealot
if you want lorde, install apotheosis & friends
quiet abyss
Lorde ain't coming back, so drop the topic please.
fervent zealot
end of story
quiet abyss
And ^
hardy sparrow
ok
ashen warren
Wtf is with the 2 low quality suggestions at the same time?
placid moth
Lol
pale bluff
they seem to be in lower quality than an Atari 2600 game
languid ermine
maybe a viable gun to fight scal
we have 2 bows and 1 rocket launcher but no guns
tired haven
Rocket launcher? I only know flamethrower
faint rivet
Chicken Cannon 
tired haven
It's not exo tier but eh
delicate vector
A shotgun-minigun
fossil torrent
So Golden Eagle?
cold terrace
The pack
signal prairie
Maybe we could have a mini boss that would spawn after a certain time and that would drop 1 of three items? I was kinda thinking: water bolt, a magic carpet, or a piece of armor and the armor would scale to your level? Plus his drops would scale to your level?
ashen warren
Scaling stats bad.
Scaling drops good.
cold terrace
make magic carpet craftable preboss 😔
signal prairie
Or obtainable by him
fossil torrent
Desert pharaoh miniboss that drops the pyramid stuff together with some other stuff tbh
cold terrace
does there really need to be another desert miniboss
fossil torrent
yes
signal prairie
The miniboss I was thinking wouldnt be a desert miniboss
cold terrace
sand elemental and gss
fossil torrent
I have an idea actually
ashen warren
85% chance for pharaoh gear, 14% for sandstorm, 1% for carpet.
Just to fuck with players.
signal prairie
Well I wanted to get everyone's opinion before I suggest a miniboss
fossil torrent
Pharaoh’s Tomb
Found in the Pyramid instead of the chest
Awakens the Pharaoh Spirit or something which drops Pyramid drops together with some other new stuff
cold terrace
and you would want to make the pyramid structure garunteed
fossil torrent
Yeah exactly
cold terrace
in the main desert
fossil torrent
was gonna say that
cold terrace
ok
signal prairie
That's not a good idea, it would be too rng based
ashen warren
"make the pyramid structure garunteed"
Rng based
fossil torrent
Isn’t normal pyramids even MORE rng than a guaranteed miniboss drop though?
round falcon
yes
signal prairie
So if the pharoh spirit would be in the chest, then they would have to fight for an item
fossil torrent
What’s your argument here
signal prairie
Most player explore they're world early
fossil torrent
You can refight the pharaoh spirit, you should have to need something to be able to fight it
A ”tribute” of some sort
ashen warren
Are you talking about this?
"85% chance for pharaoh gear, 14% for sandstorm, 1% for carpet.
Just to fuck with players."
round falcon
There's already enough with the desert as is imo
placid moth
why bother with pyramids if you can craft sandstorm in bottles and carpets
fossil torrent
I just think the pyramid is dumb
signal prairie
Early players don't have much, so making a "tribute" wouldnt work or help, plus having the drops like that would make this mini boss kinda useless
ashen warren
You're implying that players are forced to battle it.
placid moth
whose suggestion is it even
ashen warren
And that they can't wait until after DS.
fossil torrent
We're just theorizing together something, i was the one who initiated it
signal prairie
I was the one who wanted a miniboss
placid moth
Are you suggesting a Desert Mimic or something
ashen warren
Simon, scroll up.
placid moth
Hmm, water bolt as well ? Interesting.
round falcon
Here's an idea.
Miniboss summoned anywhere.
Depending on the biome it's killed in, it drops ONE specific item.
fossil torrent
o
round falcon
Depending on the PROGRESSION, that one item changes.
fossil torrent
what kind of boss should this be, though?
round falcon
miniboss*
round falcon
Cursed Traveller, perhaps?
ashen warren
In roguelikes there is a common theme with a scavenger enemy.
signal prairie
My idea was to have a player sized miniboss that would appear randomly with a low chance after the player would've explored a certain percentage of the world, and the minibosses stats and drops would scale to your level, plus have a random AI, and would drop useful things that would help with progression,
ashen warren
ETG has this annoying rat that takes your guns when you leave a room et cetera.
have a random AI
Bad.
ashen warren
"An AI that changes depending on biome" isn't hard to type.
placid moth
I am starting to think you are suggesting a miniboss lorde
delicate vector
A miniboss that runs away and creates obstacles or gives debuff to hinder the player?
signal prairie
Like in a desert or forest, he would hover above you on a magic carpet and fire water bolt at you at your earliest progression
ashen warren
Why not make the mini-boss you?
"Odd looking mirror" to summon
Random encounters are dumdum.
signal prairie
Well I wanted to name the miniboss "The Doppleganger"
ruby cobalt
The last time I heard of doppelgangers as boss ideas main dev wanted to unscrew someone's head.
placid moth
^
signal prairie
Like his hp and damage would scale
placid moth
Let's do it.
Why don't you type your idea down and send it in one complete paragraph
delicate vector
The miniboss could have the default terraria look
signal prairie
That's a good idea
placid moth
Please call it a mob idea instead of miniboss though.
signal prairie
Should I sent the suggestion?
placid moth
It might be rejected because no boss suggestions
placid moth
Aye, ok then.
ashen warren
Miniboss =/= boss.
This has been clarified multiple times by mods.
signal prairie
Depending on how many bosses you've killed
ashen warren
Yes we get it, he scales.
signal prairie
I'mma sent it
signal prairie
I'll let the devs decide on the AI if it makes it that far
fossil torrent
That is not a valid reason
"why" "Some people came up with the idea and we thought it'd be cool"
dense girder
Avoid using personal pronouns or preferences/ideas in your reasoning. Talk about how it could benefit the mod/players using it.
keen nebula
Why do I get G.U. vibes from the idea of a Doppelganger miniboss
round walrus
"Deals FATAL damage" So what, a one hit kill weapon? Might want to change that one
elder yew
Definitely. Maybe damage scaled off of a percentage of a non-boss enemy's max hp?
lost agate
@languid ermine nice suggestion!
Except no
Im like 99% sure the devs will say "yeah i know" and there goes your suggestion
languid ermine
lost agate
Suggest an actual weapon, not the fact you need one
languid ermine
well if they know it's even better then
but i don't think i can make an Exo tier weapon
my mind is too limited
not creative at all 
cyan glen
Yes?
lost agate
1: no need to
2: why tf?
I nohitted scal so its basically easier for me, but that doesnt mean it needs a buff
dense girder
bru
lost agate
Also thats a big vague suggestion
cyan glen
Is just a suggestion and bc get bored the fight
sonic quest
some people are masochistic
lost agate
Now do it with defiled
vestal elbow
cool now do it with armageddon
and then defiled and arma
lost agate
Man, imagine if every boss was buffed every time someone gets bored of it
cyan glen
Of proyects and of S:C
vestal elbow
cyan glen
I dont say
vestal elbow
king slime but he's constantly teleporting on you akin to death mode
cyan glen
She get buffed
lost agate
Thats what youre saying
vestal elbow
just wait for her nerf when she loses superboss status
cyan glen
lel
cyan glen
Well but i like the masochist
lost agate
Well thats you
cyan glen
Yeah i think that
delicate vector
The way that suggestion is worded just sounds like you're flexing
lost agate
Imma delete the stars because
1: vague
2: subjective
3: its unnecesary
ashen warren
gotta go flex
cyan glen
Okey, i hope you dont get angry
delicate vector
Besides, if Scal is a pattern-based boss, of course it'll become easier the more you get to know her attacks
cyan glen
Yes is true, only i want is a new harded boss or something like that
Doing so much attempts
lost agate
Scal isnt totally pattern based
delicate vector
The lorde from apotheosis and friends or the meme bosses from alchemistnpc imho, but if you want to talk further about it we should go to #other-mod-talk
lost agate
Hes literally unkillable (xeroc)
delicate vector
Are we going to become a legitimate god in terraria lore once calamity's development is done?
cyan glen
Oh a little question, The devourer of gods is more strong than a god?
lost agate
He devours gods, what do you think?
cyan glen
Yeah but he can devour S.C?
ashen warren
Perhaps
lost agate
Scal isnt a goddess i think
ashen warren
She's defeated one tho
delicate vector
So the player is a god?
delicate vector
Oh nvm they do not get devoured (unless they are in hardcore/iron heart)