Again, you don't need to get a new extremely strong weapon every tier.
#suggestions-discussion
ashen warren
reef mountain
But the mirror blade is utterly useless.
All other classes get at least usable weapons.
ashen warren
Mirror Blade isn't useless tho
Not really, hitting DoG in the head with it is massive damage.
reef mountain
500 damage...
ashen warren
Similarly to holy collider.
It's one of the good weapons in that tier that is really good when you can aim
Are you basing it off of base damage?
sleek wadi
If you're true memee-ing DoG, you aren't hitting the head you're trailing the tail
ashen warren
Trumelee DoG targets head because you can trap the head mecha.
reef mountain
It have a boost cap of 500 damage, use mana and only have its special effects active when true meleeing
Much, much worse than the collider, possibly worse than stellar.
ashen warren
But like, have you noticed how spammy it is?
reef mountain
Yes, which is why the mana is a problem.
pale bluff
Mirror Blade + LuiAFK
ashen warren
It's essentially a claw weapon.
reef mountain
That uses mana.
ashen warren
Balance is not dictated by other mods glow.
reef mountain
And deal lackluster dps.
sleek wadi
The mana cripples the weapon. I would never use a projectile sword that I can run out of.
ashen warren
Also, no infinity war shit.
pale bluff
is Aegis better than Mirror?
ashen warren
Go to ancients awakened for that.
pale bluff
oh ok
reef mountain
See why I wanted a new projectile melee weapon in that tier?
sleek wadi
Hell for Polterghast, why would I use Mirror Blade when Ultisword gives me a better true memee incentive?
reef mountain
If you’re tru memeing polters, just use collider, that suggestion is based on non-memers.
sleek wadi
Mirror Blade needs either a complete retooling or rarted DPS to justify the mana.
Ultisword and Mirror Blade both just so happen to give you bigger boosts than other projectile melees when you accidentally get close to polter. However, Ultisword gives you a boost that lasts when you leave his range compared to Mirror Blade which requires you to stay in it.
ashen warren
You should be reaching around 8K dps with mirror blade, not including projectiles.
Or melee speed increases.
sleek wadi
Mirror Blade is basically a filler weapon, only there to say that sentinels give something to melee.
ashen warren
Glow, Glow, Glow, why oh why is there a sans undertale suggestion?
reef mountain
8k dps If you’re inside polters, vs 30k dps from collider, which also requires no dodging.
pale bluff
It's not supposed to be one
reef mountain
Well there was already the determination breaker.
ashen warren
And that's all we need.
reef mountain
A vanity won’t hurt.
reef mountain
Vanilla have a Minecraft vanity, and it’s pretty nice.
sleek wadi
It also means it isn't getting in because Fab hates purely aesthetic things. He will only implement a purely cosmetic item if someone else codes it for him.
Or if it's a patreon item.
ashen warren
However, calamity's vanities is solely for things related to calamity.
Yours isn't.
reef mountain
True.
pale bluff
ah
ashen warren
I should use mirror blade more.
Turns out it has higher dps than holy collider.
Uh, what class?
pale bluff
I forgot the class again OUH
reef mountain
How? How did you get higer dps than collider?
ashen warren
Wait, you formatted poorly but it's there. 
reef mountain
It’s not a pun, it’s a reference. There’s a difference.
ashen warren
Using nullification pistol to give a super dummy contact damage and wearing my pre-hm gear except for cheated in tarragon armor and yharim's insignia.
reef mountain
Err, you do know that’s a really weird setup?
arctic wren
I mean omega biome blade is capable of what
10k dps on polter
ashen warren
Because you aren't using CS post-ml.
pale bluff
I have Biome Blade
arctic wren
frankly I think it's a bit too powerful for it's tier
arctic wren
Though who knows maybe ark has an easier time on provi despite OBB doing higher damage just because of ark's lol homing
In my melee playthrough I used ark on provi and OBB on polter so shrug
can't really compare
reef mountain
Just how much dps does this mirror blade of yours do?
ashen warren
10k, 8k for holy collider.
Note that I am also using yharim's stims and lack melee prof.
pale bluff
most of my Ideas now are just Astrum Deus drops
like the Mysterious Magenta Gem and the Astrobuoy
the Gube though, that is the only Pet Idea that people LOVED
that isn't a Deus drop
reef mountain
8k? My stellar deals 9k (before nerfed to 1 projectile)
And I’m pretty sure the collider was capable of 30k dps.
ashen warren
The amount doesn't matter, only the difference.
Adding more damage, crit and melee speed doesn't change anything.
Mirror blade outclasses collider.
pale bluff
somehow
reef mountain
The reason your mirror has such high dps compared to your collider is probably because the fixed melee boost.
ashen warren
What "melee boost"?
reef mountain
The mirror boost from hitting a enemy with a high contact damage.
ashen warren
The contact damage on the dummy is like 100.
However, polter has contact damage.
Implying collider is better because it's higher against dummies that lack contact damage is silly.
Mana is a non-issue with mana potions/mana regen.
sleek wadi
Why is a true melee weapon only dealing average DPS?
arctic wren
I'm testing holy collider with auric tesla, elemental gauntlet and a bunch of other damage boosting accessories (no reaper or dimensional soul artefact) and it's only getting 30k-40k damage
I think you're overestimating the holy collider a bit
reef mountain
Now try it with mirror.
arctic wren
mirror was getting less, sure, but no contact damage
reef mountain
Against dog.
sleek wadi
9-12K is about average for post-Prov, collider should be dealing 15K considering the risk.
ashen warren
You aren't using holy collider against DoG in a regular playthrough anyway.
arctic wren
okay I tried using nullification pistol to see how mirror blade would stack with a damaging dummy and ... what the actual fuck
reef mountain
Wtf?
ashen warren
Told you. 
reef mountain
This does not look right.
pale bluff
how 2 get Fox Pet
arctic wren
maybe it's due to auric melee getting rid of the 13 damage hits and somehow breaking the weapon
ashen warren
Glowdonk, not here.
pale bluff
oh sorry
ashen warren
Try it with tarragon.
sleek wadi
Probably a combo of nulli and auric melee effect.
OH I know what is going on there, the insta-kill effect on gauntlet must be proccing.
ashen warren
Ah, forgot about that.
reef mountain
That makes more sense.
ashen warren
Replace gauntlet with yharim's insig.
sleek wadi
Dummies count as normal enemies for the effect.
ashen warren
Keep auric.
reef mountain
So slightly better.
arctic wren
With yharim's insignia and auric
Mirror: ~40k
Collider: ~30k
sleek wadi
Shame mirror blade doesn't count for true melee because of the damn projectile.
arctic wren
With elemental gauntlet:
reef mountain
Since you’re at it, gave stellar a try.
sleek wadi
So true melee doesn't use it because they literally can't and normal melee gets ultisword
Banshee Hook in post-Polter
arctic wren
~37-38k average? fluctuated by a few thousand
sleek wadi
Remove the projectile, boom Mirror Blade actually usable.
reef mountain
Pfft.
sleek wadi
Stellar outclasses Holy Collider, a weapon that comes after it IIRC
arctic wren
sleek wadi
Maybe Holy Collider is the garbage weapon here and Mirror Blade is a red herring
reef mountain
And stellar, with its better range and everything?
arctic wren
Scal cheese
reef mountain
I know for a fact that the 6-proj stellar was broken, but I didn’t realize that even with 2 projectile it’s still better than all pre-scal true melee weapons.
That being said, doesn’t the sanguine flare, a magic weapon with tremendous range, deal 20k with basic gear?
ashen warren
Sanguine is garbo compared to mistlestorm, offtopic however.
reef mountain
Anyways, enough with trash talk, none of this have anything to do with projectile melee.
sleek wadi
Projectile melee still does just fine for DoG and Polter. They have OBB and Tyrant for polter and Banshee hook for DoG.
devout seal
Plus, the polter sword works quite well
arctic wren
I couldn't aim hooks for dog so I used soul edge instead
took a few tries
sleek wadi
Yeah Terror Blade isn't half bad. The projectile still explodes on DoG rather than vaporizing.
reef mountain
Indeed, but some like a usable weapon that doesn’t have 4 upgrades before it.
Like saguine flare for mage and stellar for melee.
sleek wadi
Projectile melee does just fine for post-Prov, so really the think we need here is a decent true memee.
fervent zealot
collider is bad, striker is fucking busted still
sleek wadi
Melee's entire gimmick is upgrading weapons, don't play melee if you don't like weapon upgrades.
fervent zealot
why not just suggest improvements for collider that bring it to be stronger than stellar by a decent amount
sleek wadi
We can actually make Mirror Blade a good true melee weapon by removing the projectile.
ashen warren
Collider was nerfed for a good reason, DoG cheese.
reef mountain
I do, but I use the terratomere path, which lacked a post-moon upgrade
fervent zealot
true melee is a memetastic high damage output high risk playstyle in calamity
sleek wadi
True melee breaks DoG in half and you would have to make DoG not a worm in order to fix that.
That's a DoG issue, not true memee.
reef mountain
What do you mean?
fervent zealot
so honestly, why not give the collider some form of damage increase via mobility
literally smash into your enemies with a bigass sword for extra damage
ashen warren
Fab doesn't like DoG being melted by collider.
fervent zealot
forced risk to reap the maximum benefit, thus balancing its true melee nature
ashen warren
It was nerfed like 3 times.
sleek wadi
5x damage multiplier while dashing? Sounds neat.
ashen warren
Then melee speed was nerfed.
sleek wadi
Er maybe not 5x, but still a multiplier.
fervent zealot
not dashing, just velocity based on a timer
ie go fast get high damage hit, resets until you go below a certain speed
ashen warren
That's a better trumelee concept then most.
Similar to what UHF-Murasama was gonna be.
fervent zealot
i used more than the usual 1% of my brain for that one, enjoy it
ashen warren
Rip UHF-mura.
reef mountain
None of this have anything to do with flows in my weapon, other than the fact that some other absurdly powerful but grindy weapon 3 bosses back can replace it.
That’s like saying 2 of the 3 bar melee weapons shouldn’t exist because terra blade was a thing.
fervent zealot
honestly bar melee weapons need gimmicks
arctic wren
the bar melee weapons are so boring
ashen warren
Your weapon in particular Is just an omega biome blade.
reef mountain
They’re not good, but they provide an alternative.
fervent zealot
@crimson tinsel first of all put your suggestion into a single post
worthy fiber
Bar weapons are probably boring because of how easy they are to get
fervent zealot
and secondly, discuss it here with us before posting
crimson tinsel
Okay. Sorry.
ashen warren
They are all just swing and get projectile.
fervent zealot
discussion isn't neccesary, but we're not idiots
we can help you turn it from alright to pretty good
reef mountain
@ashen warren which requires grinding for a biome blade, the necessary ingredients for true biome blade, and then upgrade it to omega biome blade.
ashen warren
The reaver sword was good until the vilethorn projectile was trashed.
reef mountain
True.
ashen warren
That's not a sword.
reef mountain
But it exists, and it’s better than nothing.
sleek wadi
It's a bar weapon though, assuming the definition is a weapon that is made just with bars.
ashen warren
Fab also prefers farm/grind heavy weapons to be stronger.
reef mountain
The great sword of judgement is actually kinda good.
@ashen warren true, but he never said it should replace something 3 bosses after it.
sleek wadi
ngl I thought greatsword of judgement was a true melee until I actually swung it.
crimson tinsel
Anybody thought of Crimson biome having an Ichor pond/lakes underground so we can use it to our advantage during the fight with The Twins?
reef mountain
A post moonlord true melee sword that deals 55 damage....
How did you expect it to work?
pale bluff
I still don't know what PBG means lul
ashen warren
PlagueBringer Goliath
pale bluff
ah
ashen warren
When I said your sword is just OBB I was saying that it's just a copied weapon.
I'm sorry but it's incredibly un-inspired.
Fires a projectile and homes, it's not as if we have 30 of those.
pale bluff
which one?
reef mountain
But it sticks onto enemies like razorblade typhoon.
sleek wadi
Hey man, Ark of the Elements goes through walls. Obviously that makes it unique.
reef mountain
And the projectile shoots projectiles.
sleek wadi
Melee also already has a melee drop from Astrum. Nebulash.
ashen warren
projectile shoots projectiles
Boring, done before.
sticks onto enemies
Your description implies otherwise, "homes and pierces similar to the razorblade typhoon, rapidly dealing damage once locking onto an enemy".
sleek wadi
Oh and the ichor pond thing, Terraria only supports a max of 4 liquids so it probably isn't happening due to potential mod conflicts.
ashen warren
Has another mod successfully added another liquid?
sleek wadi
I'm not sure.
ruby cobalt
Dradon did a thing.
ashen warren
Which, drh?
ruby cobalt
Several liquids, actually.
sleek wadi
Only way I can see the ichor pond working is if we made the water piss yellow and apply ichor to anything in it.
ruby cobalt
But no, it doesn't have an actual name.
frosty kindle
"test liquid" or smth
fervent zealot
custom liquids are a no rn
ruby cobalt
"liquid waste"
fervent zealot
and water debuffs is masomode
we don't want to go there 
frosty kindle
custom liquids in any games are no tbh
ashen warren
Damn, where can I find it? unless it's on mod browser.
fervent zealot
not released yet
fervent zealot
still stupid b uggy too
ruby cobalt
Go look in #other-mod-talk to see current progress.
fervent zealot
finna pop off now, have fun doing suggestions and suggestion related ideas
ashen warren
That's what I meant, thanks!
pale bluff
I should make a Sprite for the Confusing Magenta Gem and provide the Sounds for it
sleek wadi
From Profaned Soul Artifact.
proven tide
oh yeaah
sleek wadi
Should probably mention that in the suggestion
ashen warren
Huzbubber, why not make the abyssal hooker's hook stay in place while underwater to facilitate fishing in the abyss?
ashen warren
"Fish mode increases chances of catching fish and loot mode increases chances of catching crates. 65% fishing power."
Good shit.
fervent sky
👌
rich wagon
👌
fervent sky
The modes affect it like crate/fishing potions but the fishing power stays the same. If that makes sense
proven tide
even copied the reactions 
frank stratus
wait wha
fervent sky
proven tide
@regal root if you're reposting it then delete the original
pale bluff
ok, I made the Sprite for the Confusing Magenta Gem
hollow shell
Immortal, I pinged you asking for you to elaborate
pale bluff
here it is
proven tide
uh
fervent sky
hollow shell
Also you're not really
allowed to repost
just because it got buried within the same day
proven tide
It's... certainly confusing
hollow shell
Repost time limit is 1 week
frank stratus
yeet
hollow shell
@regal root See above
pale bluff
my Sprite's pretty bleh
hollow shell
A bit, yeah
I'd recommend heading to the art server for a lot of advice
pale bluff
ah
hollow shell
and also, if you want, looking at other similar Calamity sprites for reference
pale bluff
I could try to make it look like a Ruby from Terraria mixed with the Crown Jewel
hollow shell
Yeah those are good references
pale bluff
What are the Dimensions for a Calamity Weapon?
ashen warren
Dimensions don't really matter from what I hear.
quiet abyss
There's not really any set dimensions.
pale bluff
hmmm
quiet abyss
So long as the sprites are not too small/too big they're fine
pale bluff
I could try to make a larger version of the Gem but with more details
quiet abyss
It just depends on what the sprites are.
E.g. shortsword sprites should typically be small sprites to fit in with their nature.
ashen warren
Also, sprite in 1x1 then export in 2x2.
If you don't know what that is read art server pins.
hollow shell
@pale bluff Just append your original suggestion
ashen warren
Self Star and I doubt they'll let their source just be open like that 
quiet abyss
Calamity mod prefers clsoed development and is not planned on being open source anytime soon.
Mainly because of all the problems about plagiarizing that would occur.
ancient dragon
I'd quickly like to address "But plagiarism already happens even with closed-source mods!" before it gets brought up if nobody minds.
You'd need more than two brain cells if you're gonna go down that path, so the occasional copying can be dealt with more swiftly and with greater focus than countless small mods trying to make it big just by injecting other mods' code into their own from easy-access spots.
reef mountain
@ashen warren the main reason for the voidcrusher’s existence is not to be unique or amazing, but rather to fill out a gap between banshee hook and greatsword of judgement, for players that rather get something that’s not excellent than something that requires an entire line of upgrading.
dense girder
do people really not like chad's furniture that much?? jesus
reef mountain
People do, but mostly non-calamity people.
dense girder
i just want my SCal Inaction Figure :(
reef mountain
then just ask for boss action figures.
dense girder
that's what my suggestion did
covert wing
i never knew i needed chadsfurni inaction figures of clamity bosses untill oddi's suggestion
somber saffron
anyone like my rage suggestion?
dense girder
@west prairie there's a reason this mod shows no love for clinger enemies
they're annoying and they kinda suck
could I get some assistance/feedback on this
round falcon
decent imo but looks incomplete
dense girder
how so
round falcon
it doesn't feel too fleshed out, but then again "calamitous eggs" is a thing
so you're definitely good
dense girder
Unlucky combination of words but necessary :( Be thankful I didn't make a Baby Shark reference unlike that one guy
proven tide
@spice cedar Calamitous Essence is used solely for Dev items
cyan lagoon
*Shadowspec bars
proven tide
Well, yeah
cyan lagoon
CE is a grey area for some reason
proven tide
How so?
cyan lagoon
It shouldn't though 🤷
proven tide
^
Additionally, Post-SCal we will have Yharim, Goozma, Xeroc, and possibly some third superboss, so to say that we have 'nothing else to do' will soon be inaccurate.
spice cedar
The pinned message said CE is fine for suggestions. And yeah Yharim/Goozma/Xeroc/ETC will all happen but as of rn, there's nothing else to do. And when they do arrive, the rod wont let you cheese them because it doesn't work in bosses
proven tide
That wasn't quite the point; I was saying that 'you don't really have anything else left to do' is going to be inaccurate, so as reasoning for a suggestion it's quite flawed.
why is CE exempt if it's never been touched 🤔
spice cedar
Idk why nobody elses used it
I guess that's fair, I'll edit the suggestion.
"Calamitous Essence is exempt from this rule"
ashen warren
There are many suggestions that use CE, mostly for "when post-scal stuff is added".
mental path
Well since post-scal hasn't been implemented yet it sounds fair to me
just add in what you would do after they're added
covert igloo
did not even know post-scal was even a idea.
ashen warren
You know Yharim?
He's post-scal.
mental path
yeah but he's not added yet is he
ashen warren
Wasn't talking to you.
mental path
ik
covert igloo
I feel like the Yharim fight would need to be in a pregenerated area
ashen warren
@dense girder Looks Great, I just don't think that abyss fish should be fished in the sulphorous sea. Maybe if there was an abyss fishing exclusive pole?
dense girder
there is an abyss fishing pole in the suggestion literally right above mine
considering you can't fish in the abyss anyways because the bobber would flllllllyyyy away, itd be easier to just fish from the sulph seas
ashen warren
Yeah, good point
fervent sky
The abyss rod I suggested has its bobber stay in place so that you can actually fish in the abyss
dense girder
I don't want to make my suggestion use that for the abyss items
since it would require your suggestion to be implemented, low chance, and then mine, lowerer chance
so if they both get accepted by some godly miracle i'll let the devs decide it
west prairie
simple sentry that i like, good suggestion
worthy fiber
sprite it tbh
cold terrace
You could make it a precursor to the dreadmine staff
unique vector
@hollow shell do suggestions not get a green checkmark anymore? 
summer egret
@hearty coyote thate a giga clam
unique vector
@tulip rock by that logic it shouldnt tele you to hell either
since you’ll just die if you’re early in the game
unique vector
but you still have a high chance of dying
sour hornet
Can it teleport you into lava?
tulip rock
no
unique vector
they both lead to certain death, only that the abyss is faster
tulip rock
the underworld is not instant death since it takes time for the enemies to spawn, and you can survive in the underworld for some time if you have terrible gear, but in the abyss the water and breath loss is constant and will kill you unless you have lightning fast reflexes to teleport back to your home
lost agate
Now, tell, me how exactly do you prevent a literally random teleporter to not teleport you somewhere?
alpine garnet
It's a nice concept but I agree w/ shucks
tulip rock
to explore
fervent zealot
it can teleport you into the temple, which is in normal cases unescapable until post plant
alpine garnet
plus dang near everyone plays softcore anw so death isnt that bad
unique vector
yeah, meaning you should have decent gear to let you survive in the abyss
fervent zealot
there's no fix, just let it be
tulip rock
In choosing a destination, the following rules apply:
The player will always be placed on top of a solid, non-harmful block.
The player can never be placed in the Jungle Temple before Plantera has been defeated.
The player can never be placed in the Dungeon below zero depth before Skeletron has been defeated.
unique vector
it teles you into the temple pre plant?
fervent zealot
mhm
unique vector
thats an issue
but i mean does it matter still? seems like a lot of unnecessary coding to me
tulip rock
the teleportation potion does have restrictions to avoid instant death
like mentioned above
unique vector
just have a magic mirror next to the tele pot in your hotbar
and use it if you’re in the abyss
lost agate
^
tulip rock
except.. if you get stuck in the abyss at the deepest level you cannot react fast enough to use the mirror
lost agate
Enemies dont spawn isntantly
unique vector
its not a major issue tbf, even if it does make things much simpler
tulip rock
but you will still die
lost agate
How so?
tulip rock
it's not the enemies
alpine garnet
if mirror is too slow then use recall?
unique vector
recall is instant yeah
lost agate
I mean, you literally sipped the "please send me somewhere nice": the potion
So thats a flaw in concept from vanilla
unique vector
im pretty sure that if it was that easy to change the potion’s restrictions the team would have made it unable to tele you in like, tiny holes underground
lost agate
I mean why would you use teleport potion if you expect end up in a safe place
tulip rock
in the abyss at level 3, it takes away 90 breath per second, at level 4 it is 270 breath per second, you also lose more damage from drowning in the abyss (60 to be exact)
unique vector
yeah, and you can also have a recall pot next to thetele pot
recall pots are instant magic mirrors
theres no way you can instantly die before using a recall pot unless you’re super slow
tulip rock
i use the teleportation potion to find somewhere to explore and find stuff like heart crystals or more chests, maybe a floating island, i know it won't put me somewhere * safe * but i know i will have a chance to survive it
radiant meadow
@fluid jolt that can't happen as bosses in the boss rush already have stats that are based on their location in the boss rush
rearranging the order would ruin the weaker early bosses and difficult later bosses
unique vector
@fluid jolt the point of the order of boss rush is to be ranked from easiest to hardest generally, based on #451248300566511618
radiant meadow
not just that
unique vector
and yeah, they were already balanced to how they are ordered now
radiant meadow
design and what people like as well
alpine garnet
imagine having BR doggo first and the final boss being king slime 
radiant meadow
there were 3 categories
unique vector
it was still combined into one ranking smh
radiant meadow
easiest to hardest was only one of three
lost agate
And sherif, there is one simple answer to why that isnt a thing already, last time devs tried to change some complex vanilla stuff it took them days to figure out how tf to fix it/make it work
Like almost half a month, for something absurdly simple
Because vanilla code is great
hearty coyote
@summer egret im talking about a small clam like sentry not about the giant clam
and the giant clam doenst shoot bubbles
atleast not prehardmode
hollow shell
@unique vector Sorry for my lack of delivering recently
Nothing to blame except for me being lazy 😔
unique vector
its fine lol, was just curious why nothing had green checks as of late
tired haven
@ashen warren I'd honestly buff(?) that potion to 25%, so it's just like negative swiftness potion
ashen warren
thats way too much
tired haven
(If that idea is considered seriously)
frosty kindle
can't you just use the Elysian/Asgardian slowdown toggle to do the same?
hollow shell
Having its purpose be entirely negative has its uses, though perhaps entirely niche.
It should come with an upside to make it useful outside of very very specific circumstances
void river
or you could just take off the tracers and just use drews wings
hollow shell
Like a defense/DR or damage buff
frosty kindle
though the aegis "boosts" can be sort of circumvented by flying anyways
ashen warren
sometimes in scal you need to move a little fast to take speed actions, aegis + -25% movement speed will get the player fucked so at best 15%
you know scal's dashes n stuff
tired haven
I mean, when base is 100, auric is +50, well fed is 20, swiftness is 25, plus boots' effect unknown fat bonus, calamitas' brew is 15, this potion being 10-15 is droplet in sea
ashen warren
that's how flat earthers do their math
hollow shell
that's how mathematicians* do their math
ashen warren
+-25%
frail mantle
it adds negative 25% increased movement speed
tired haven
Tbh mathematicians do it +(-25%)
frail mantle
^
ashen warren
+- is it can be + or - both are right
wait i should probably edit it and add a minute duration
frail mantle
if you add a negative number to something, for example 3+(-1), it's the same as subtracting that number
ashen warren
so what's the point
frail mantle
so 3+(-1)=3-1
tired haven
Punctuation matters ™ is the point
frail mantle
novel pebble
I like that suggestion, It make you actually explore the biome. and It's not like the Abyss, you don't need special gear to dive deeper, and you don't find stronger threats as you progress down, It's not limited behind progression gates.
hollow shell
I like that it's incentivizing exploring the whole place. Like he said, right now there isn't much of a need for most of the biome if you can get everything you need in the top 25%ish
sleek wadi
But isn't that the same for almost every other biome?
hollow shell
Yeah kinda.
sleek wadi
You don't need much of the spread biomes, you can get everything from underground desert in the top quarter, the only reason to explore ice biome is for underground huts, and you don't even need to see most of the jungle if you get lucky.
hollow shell
Sunken Sea is the incentive for exploring the lower Underground Desert
(also Jungle is freaking massive)
sleek wadi
Abyss is an outlier rather than a rule.
novel pebble
But progressing deeper make the biome more interesting, I generally don't find these biomes you mentioned that interesting since I don't have a lot to see. But I quite like the idea of the Abyss' diving deeper to progress further and get more loot. and adding it to the Sunken sea but in a more simple way will make the player explore more of it, instead of only spending 3 minutes in the top of the biome.
sleek wadi
Can't even spread
pale bluff
where do I put my Item Sprite for the Confusing Magenta Gem?
hollow shell
Once it's done, you can send it somewhere then copy the Discord link to the image, and paste that in the original suggestion
Can't add images to already-posted messages any other way
@proud isle Fab has said many times (mostly to testers but I'm sure he's said it publicly) that the current telegraphs for the Holy Ray, that being Providence slowing down in speed and also the sound for the ray firing being global, are enough.
He has rejected the idea of a visual cue or a pre-emptive sound
proud isle
ok thanks i'm just a dumb fool who doesn't notice these things
radiant meadow
ye, she slows down a ton
sleek wigeon
Maybe instead of having abyss treatment
giving it the underground jungle treatment would be better
all the enemies can be found in top half of it
but loot items are rarer on the higher bits
but get more common as you get deeper
pale bluff
added the Phantom Ruby Pic to my original Suggestion
hollow shell
A bit strange to have that drop from Desert Scourge, but I suppose it works if you wanna have it since the beginning of the game
Also
I feel like the right-click function is kinda superfluous and takes away from the focus of the item
frail mantle
yea i thought it'd be good if it was available early in the game, but not exactly pre-boss
so the right-click function should be removed?
hollow shell
Yeah I'd say so
Doesn't really have to do with minion targeting at all
fervent zealot
@reef swift that seems like more of a bug tbh
hollow shell
Yeah should report in #bugs-read-pins if you haven't already
indigo dome
I don't see why there can't be a microstructure of the cave SCal hid in, in her lore which should resemble a
pliant bone
Do they put the checkmark reaction as a wave or continuously?
hollow shell
Wave, I suppose
pale bluff
what does the Checkmark mean?
quiet abyss
Green checkmarks mean it has been delivered to the dev server.
Blue checkmarks mean a similar suggestion has already been sent in the past.
This is explained in the pins here
rose sage
i still am thinking about the birthday cake idea for those who play calamity on there b-day
frosty kindle
a "suggestions reactions legend" has in-depth explanations on all the marks
rose sage
is it possible to suggest decorative blocks?
ashen warren
You could, fab doesn't like doing them however.
Thinks it's a waste of time and whatnot.
rose sage
nevermind then
pale bluff
why not make the Birthday Cake a Potion?
rose sage
well my idea was that the cake would give a small regen like fireplaces
pale bluff
ah
rose sage
it would most likely be bought during parties by the party girl
pale bluff
ooh
rose sage
but i have never made a suggestion and feel like this would probably be a pain to make
ashen warren
Nah, that's pretty easy actually.
Fyi that isn't decoration, at that point it's a functional block.
Fab has a different opinion of those.
pale bluff
my first Suggestion was a Pet one, which is a reference to Kirby
rose sage
just realized daylight savings time is tomorrow
pale bluff
Holy crap
pale bluff
I'm a Windows user, so I don't need to reset my clock 
rose sage
i am too, i meant my alarm clock for work
ashen warren
bring back astrageldon
lost agate
This just seems like a discrete way of bringing back astra slime
Which sadly wont happen
pale bluff
what happened to Astra?
frosty kindle
thanos'd in place of Aureus
pale bluff
ah
ashen warren
He’s often skipped until post WoF
hahahahahahahahaha, no.
hollow shell
@gritty crow no astrageldon
pale bluff
wasn't Astra just a reskin of KS?
ashen warren
Beating WoF in rev+ with aerospec is just unnecessary pain.
hollow shell
nah he had different attacks
ashen warren
Pretty much.
hollow shell
some of which transfered to Aureus
sinful violet
geldon can commit die
frosty kindle
say, should i deleto that, or by the least remove the stars?
sinful violet
he tried to come back once and i killed that
ashen warren
It really was just KS with projectiles.
sinful violet
It’s fine fish, but if it gets sent to dev, I think the geldon part is just ignored.
hollow shell
Keep it as it is for now
If gamma doesn't respond for a whole then we can remove stars
frosty kindle
so, technically masomode KS?
rose sage
so how would one go around phrasing a suggestion?
pale bluff
what's the most damaging weapon in the Astral Infection?
ashen warren
@rose sage 
in #suggestions-voting
hollow shell
^
rose sage
alright
hollow shell
Most damaging weapon..?
Lemme check
ashen warren
Dps or base damage?
frosty kindle
in terms of DPS or raw dama- yeah
hollow shell
That would be Stellar Cannon if you're asking for base damage
quiet abyss
If it's dps, then it would be Heavenfallen Stardisk
hollow shell
Yeah
rose sage
also i tried the guardians and got the main one to 25% before i died
quiet abyss
It depends on the target sizes too.
Heavenfallen Stardisk can deal a ton of damage if the target is large and so it gets hit by the stardisk more often.
While hive pod with ooa armor deal high damage on every sort of target due to being unpiercing.
sinful violet
(Why was this relevant here?)
gritty crow
frosty kindle
aren't boss suggestions frowned upon anyways?
ruby cobalt
yes
ashen warren
Gamma it's a nice idea, but Slime God isn't exactly in need of a rematch
Oh hey drh, didn't expect to see you here
ruby cobalt
you sure didn't
ashen warren
Hey give me a break, I haven't been on here for a while and barely skimmed the announcements
obtuse swallow
Ohhh i like that idea
Slime god has amazing music, i'd like a reason to hear it more ofteb
It could drop souls of light, night and flight
Perhaps also ichor, cursed flames and pixie dust and profaned shards(or whatever drops from the big bois in hallow/hell)
fossil torrent
unholy essence
rich inlet
It just happened to me today so I might as well post it as a suggestion
I know its not a bug because that’s how death mode boss spawnrates works, but it maybe better to do this to crabulon so you don’t need to travel half the world and die ;-;
pliant bone
You could say the same for Astrum Aureus if it spawns naturally in deathmode
Tho it is less likely
craggy elk
@obtuse swallow music boxes?
ashen warren
..Or don't press space while midair.
It's surprisingly easy to not press space a second time.
eager palm
sised why are your suggestions always so bareboned
ashen warren
okay vro
rich inlet
That suggestion is bad ngl
If bosses don’t do contact damage for 5 seconds I’m sure demonshade will splash em into pieces with taunt in BR
placid moth
lol
ashen warren
The only boss that doesn't have that mechanic that "should" imo is skeletron, you pretty much need to dash and be as far away from old man as possible so you don't get destroyed.
Crab has it though, Hive is easy to dodge, Aureus has it and Ravager is easy to dodge.
Only bosses that spawn "on" you iirc.
ashen warren
Theres golem
Doesn't it spawn really high above you?
Higher than aureus and whatnot anyway.
I suppose so
craggy elk
im pretty sure that you always have time to atleast rod out
ashen warren
Homing arrows
That's the only thing you could think of that was different to hellfire arrows?
frail mantle
what's a better idea then
dense girder
has an AOE aura effect
ashen warren
Off the top of my head, plague syringes that stick to the enemy with a stacking plague.
Could make the enemy explode with plague on death or whatever.
dense girder
where enemies who enter the aura are inflicted with plague
dense girder
How about a type of arrow that goes through multiple enemies but only once
for example
ashen warren
And he never spoke again.
dense girder
Terrible diagram but you might see the point
Fire arrow, hits one enemy, moves to another, and another, and another
pierces up to 5 times then explodes
ashen warren
Like crystal darts I think.
dense girder
It wouldn't even be that hard to code
ashen warren
I love that dart ngl.
dense girder
Probably just a modified homing arrow code
ashen warren
"Crystal Darts are ammunition that move in a straight line and are unaffected by gravity when shot, ricocheting 6 times before disappearing. The darts will also bounce between enemies and target them if they are close enough."
dense girder
Hells yeah
ashen warren
Oh yes
dense girder
I'm thinking of making it a quiver, an upgrade to the Elemental one
what would it be called?
oof actually no elemental is already post-polter, wouldn't be too useful by then
ashen warren
Tracer for a hi-tec theme, perhaps for draedon or whatever.
Tracker for that sweet hg reference the basic naming scheme.
Something else idk.
dense girder
here we go
ashen warren
Both fit guns more though.
Holy shit, imagine onyxia with crystal darts.
Infinite ⭐
pulsar notch
Bloodseeking/Blood-Hungry/Bloodlust Quiver?
dense girder
I think Ravager works better
pulsar notch
All just variations of the same name, and honestly, I think it should be its own crafted thing
dense girder
Heat-Seeking Quiver - Ravager-Tier Accessory
❔ = A quiver accessory that makes all your arrows bounce between enemies and fixes their pierce cap at 3. Each bounce, it does less damage. On the final bounce, its usual effects are buffed, e.g. larger explosions/longer debuffs. Does not affect Heavenly Gale or Drataliornus.
🛠 = Dropped after using and defeating Draedon's Remote.
ashen warren
Checking arrows so it it can be balanced.
dense girder
reminds me of that one guy from guardians of the galaxy
with the arrow thing, hold on
ashen warren
Yondu?
dense girder
yeah
opal barn
Can you like, not?
dense girder
was the only gif i could find sorry
But that actually is a good fuckin weapon idea, yondu's arrow, now that I think of it
ashen warren
Luminite Arrows and Terra Arrows seem like they be super stronk.
fossil torrent
yondu’s arrow is cool
ashen warren
Tbh I'd rather Yondu's actual needle rather than an arrow analog.
fossil torrent
but maybe too ”copy paste reference from another thing”-ey
ashen warren
Ranged is strong as-is.
fossil torrent
it could be that when you have the weapon equipped you get the hair thingy on your head, and you can kinda control it
like a flying knife but a lot better
ashen warren
wait Would this affect post-ml bows?
Imagine gale.
dense girder
Bloodlust Bolt - Polterghast-Tier Rogue Weapon
❔ = An arrow that bounces between enemies rapidly, inflicting Burning Blood and Abyssal Flames on hit. You must keep it equipped and hold down left-click for it to work.
🛠 = Bloodflare Arrows, Bloodstone, Ruinous Souls @ a Mythril Anvil
ornate pecan
Hey I'm Mary Poppins y'all
pulsar notch
make an upgrade that does
ashen warren
That would've been a nightmare, and fun ngl.
tired haven
Gale and drat convert all ammo anyway
ashen warren
i like the way you think 012
ashen warren
"A quiver accessory that makes all your arrows bounce between enemies"
dense girder
what do you think of the bolt?
don't forget
if you're fighting, say, a boss
and there's nothing else on screen
it's just gonna hit the boss and fly away without doing its usual effects e.g. exploding
ashen warren
Barebones atm, I'd flesh it out.
If it ends up good then I'll instastar since yondu's needle thing is badass.
pulsar notch
If it's ravager or some other multi-section boss, this thing is just mayhem
ashen warren
Mayhem.
dense girder
I mean there's not much more to it honestly
ashen warren
It could..
dense girder
Added an extra function
ashen warren
Drop from draedon's remote..
The quiver I mean.
fossil torrent
this sounds overpowered as fuck
frail mantle
maybe it makes arrows just have a chance to jump between enemies
ashen warren
It'd pretty obviously reduce damage on every bounce.
dense girder
^
ashen warren
However it's not that OP.
Remember that it only ricochets between enemies, not blocks.
Single target dps would be garbage.
fossil torrent
maybe make it like ”mechanical heatseeking quiver” or something and make it dropped from mecha mayhem
because I love the idea of stuff dropped from drae’s remote
ashen warren
Since it's pointless.
fossil torrent
”heatseeking quiver” maybe
yeah it’s hella pointless
dense girder
what does drae's remote even do
ashen warren
No bonus loot though.
fossil torrent
yup
ashen warren
They are buffed.
fossil torrent
oh ok
dense girder
there
pulsar notch
If it's just the quiver though, there'd have to be stuff for other classes as well
ashen warren
That's for other suggesters.
dense girder
fossil torrent
yeah but that’s for later, can’t all really be in the same suggestion
dense girder
you said the bolt was barebones
how could I improve that?
also I could make a doc for dremote items 
ashen warren
Not that bad honestly, I just like in depth descriptions.
I tend to get super in depth when I make a content suggestion.
dense girder
Not much else to state on it, it's a simple weapon
ashen warren
Flying knife with better control.
pulsar notch
Just imagining a knife on a propeller
dense girder
It's automatic and homing though
ashen warren
So, better piranha gun?
dense girder
Perhaps
ashen warren
I'd make it player controlled tbh, but it's your suggestion.
pulsar notch
Honestly, possessed hatchet is really cool
If there could be an upgrade of it that would be awesome
ashen warren
And also have it work similar to the kinetic knife from thorium.
Hatchet has an upgrade.
Valediction.
pulsar notch
I haven't played in a while and don't get too deep into crafting trees when I do, sorry about that
red stormBOT
placid moth
You mentioned it was an upgrade, that probably confused him
ashen warren
Well it functions like the hatchet and is later in the game.
That's an upgrade.
ashen warren
"Honestly, possessed hatchet is really cool
If there could be an upgrade of it that would be awesome"
pulsar notch
Back to the topic, draemote loot alongside quiver idea
ashen warren
Odditer has disappeared for some reason.
agile cloud
Welcome back then
pulsar notch
Hmm
dense girder
anyways hold on
i don't think a draemote suggestion is for me
i'm burnt out of suggestions for a while
i'll post the two i already made, you guys go nuts or sm
pulsar notch
Alright
ashen warren
Bot killed other star.
dense girder
what the fuck
ashen warren
Wait a minute.
agile cloud
Capping the pierce objectively nerfs jester arrows
dense girder
What the fuck is the bot doing 
ashen warren
LIke a literal minute.
dense girder
oh
placid moth
I have to hold down left click to work ?
agile cloud
Thats how most weapons work
placid moth
I'd much rather let it be like a water bolt projectile though
agile cloud
ooh postml waterbolt is a good idea
dense girder
pls work pls work pls work
placid moth
Hmm
agile cloud
It worked
dense girder
hell yeah
ashen warren
There ya go.
placid moth
Draedon's remote ?
agile cloud
mecha mayhem, but better
dense girder
#WikiIt
ashen warren
I knew since I was there at the time the bot was talked about.
Maybe that should be pinned idk.
fossil torrent
heat-seeking quivers last effect thing that strengthens effects looks like a pain to code
ashen warren
Thinking about it in psuedo-code in my head.
All you'd need to do is create a second version of every arrow that has the crystal dart effect without tile detection, making it have a stronger effect then should be relatively easy.
Not good at coding though so don't quote me on that.
fossil torrent
yeah but for example bigger explosions? don’t think that’s just as easy as upping a number
ruby cobalt
A second version of every arrow. Of every arrow. Every.
ashen warren
True, it would be very tedious.
ruby cobalt
That includes every vanilla arrow btw.
ashen warren
I think that explosion radius might actually be a number.
Perhaps it should be limited to just ammo, so no deathwind projectiles or something.
ruby cobalt
Explosion radius is more or less a number, yes.
fossil torrent
And how the hell would it work with other mods?
ruby cobalt
You just have to redefine the hitbox of it.
And it wouldn't work with other mods, naturally.
ashen warren
^
fossil torrent
Like if you used thorium arrows that’d just break everything
ruby cobalt
Nah, rogue has a set of reasons behind it, not just "lol we don't like other mods fuck them ig"
lost agate
^
ashen warren
This one also has a good reason tbh.
No cross-mod planned until post-release, announcements or something.
clear basin
What are the reasons though lol
lost agate
You'll never know 
ashen warren
clear basin
Future content I guess
lost agate
Or well yeah that
ashen warren
lost agate
And the class has more potential when it isnt just "a class that throws things"
lost agate
Yeah but nothing else is similar
jovial spire
Well yeah but each summon does a unique thing
clear basin
True
jovial spire
Well with like 4 exeptions
lost agate
Throwing and melee were so similar there was literally variants of the same weapon
ashen warren
The new stealth mechanic makes rogue way more fun when you play around it then I ever had with throwing in other mods.
And we haven't even reached the big rogue updoot.
lost agate
^
clear basin
True
radiant meadow
but why
the normal one already lasts an hour
and you can cancel the "buff" at any time
frail mantle
@bronze mauve afaik there's some sort of problem about transparent sprites that make them unideal for Terraria
bronze mauve
oh
frail mantle
might just be me commiting a brain moment though
sonic quest
what about glass then?
sonic quest
you can see the background behind them
frail mantle
glass isn't transparent, it's just parts of the sprites that are completely clear
making it look like it's transparent
sonic quest
Oh that makes sense
lost agate
I mean, we have DoG
gaunt karma
I have an idea for a weapon, combining Sunfury and Blue Moon, for a double flail. Autoswing by default, one goes out and when it reaches the end of its swing the other comes out. Give it ~100 damage and 8% crit more than normal since Sunfury has higher crit. I'm not sure if it should be pre hard or not. Sunfury isn't great against WOF anyway so it could be good to combine them with say Purified Gel? Any thoughts on it?
gaunt karma
blue moon isn't
dense girder
Oh imksushi my bad
But Sunfury is annoying to get and it's already used in Tumbleweed
Although I do like this idea, here's a revamp:
Duality - "Day and night, bright and quiet." - HM Flail
❔ = An upgrade of both the Sunfury and Blue Moon. On use, the Sunfury comes out and will hit enemies multiple times, inflicting On Fire!, and occasionally shooting homing fireballs. When it reaches the end of its swing, the Blue Moon comes out, and will inflict Temporal Sadness, as well as occasionally shooting waterbolt bolts. This loops, as it autoswings.
🛠 = Sunfury, Blue Moon, Souls of Light, Souls of Night @ a Mythril Anvil
gaunt karma
the problem with blue moon is that its heavily outclassed by ball o' fugu, honestly even sun fury is. the high amount of homing projectiles that do decent damage are enough to bring it way past, especially since you get way more range
i think it'd also make sense to increase the range
dense girder
edited it a bit
gaunt karma
if you're in revengence and especially death, you need range on enemies so you can charge adrenaline
dense girder
Added projectiles for both
gaunt karma
thanks, thats a lot better put together
i'm currently doing a death melee and its shocking how unviable they both are, considering when you get them
dense girder
here you go
**Duality** - *"Day and night, bright and quiet."* - HM Flail
:grey_question: = An upgrade of both the Sunfury and Blue Moon. On use, the Sunfury comes out and will hit enemies multiple times, inflicting On Fire!, and occasionally shooting homing fireballs. When it reaches the end of its swing, the Blue Moon comes out, and will inflict Temporal Sadness, as well as occasionally shooting waterbolt bolts. This loops, as it autoswings.
:tools: = *Sunfury, Blue Moon, Souls of Light, Souls of Night @ a Mythril Anvil*
paste that in #suggestions-voting if you like
credit me please
gaunt karma
thats the plan, thanks
dense girder
np 👌
gaunt karma
i was going to, was thinking of saying you should post it but hey
sleek wadi
Sunfury is already used in a recipe though.
dense girder
Yes, we know
gaunt karma
it do
dense girder
But this is meant to add an alternative flail, since, you know
ball o' fugu
Also the tumbleweed is post-plantera innit
sleek wadi
So would it be replacing Sunfury in Tumbleweed?
dense girder
no I don't believe that's necessary
the sunfury and duality are very different
so duality > tumbleweed makes little sense
sleek wadi
Makes little sense, but very VERY few weapons branch out into variants.
dense girder
then perhaps a crafting recipe for the sunfury is in order
while one can find 2+ in a world depending on their chests
it's more up to the player to decide if they want a good flail now or a decent one then
pale bluff
crafting Sunfury with a Blue Moon and Hellstone would be a good idea imo
dense girder
then you need another blue moon
hold on
Some Flail Suggestions, for quality of life.
Crafting Recipes - Because RNG always has the potential to screw you over.
Blue Moon - Victide Bars, Waterbolt, Chains @ an Anvil
Sunfury - Blue Moon, Hellstone, Bucket of Lava @ an Anvil
Flail Changes - Because these flails aren't very powerful (Ball o' Fugu much?).
Blue Moon - Occasionally shoots waterbolt projectiles on use.
Sunfury - Occasionally shoots homing fireballs on use.
Duality -** "Day and night, bright and quiet." - HM Flail
An upgrade of the Sunfury, Blue Moon and Dao of Pow . On use, the Sunfury comes out and will hit enemies multiple times, inflicting On Fire!, and occasionally shooting homing fireballs. When it reaches the end of its swing, the Blue Moon comes out, and will inflict Temporal Sadness, as well as occasionally shooting waterbolt bolts. After this, the Dao of Pow comes out, confusing enemies on hit. This loops, as it autoswings.
Created: Sunfury, Blue Moon, Dao of Pow, Souls of Light, Souls of Night @ a Mythril Anvil
how's that
pale bluff
I wonder why no one critiqued on my Sword Suggestion
dense girder
also
Make the Blue Moon shoot waterbolt projectiles on use. It's basically useless, seeing as it's easy to get the Sunfury soon after and not a very high-stat weapon on its own.
two suggestions for the price of eight, how's those
gaunt karma
wauw
considering blue moon and sunfury are both gotten immedietly after skeletron its kinda dumb that blue moon is literally just a worse sunfury
pale bluff
say, is my Sword Suggestion a good one or should it need some work?
gaunt karma
especially since fugu is also accessible at the same time
dense girder
I like it, Donk
The use of lightning is a unique idea I don't think is seen anywhere else in terraria
sleek wadi
Actually, why not replace/add in Dao of Pow to Duality? A flail named duality not having the duality-based flail in its recipe is a huge missed opportunity.
dense girder
aside from those martian sentries
is it not already used for something else, i thought?
sleek wadi
That doesn't seem to be a concern considering the Sunfury in that recipe
gaunt karma
its not used in anything
dense girder
gaunt karma
dao can be obtained at the same time too
dense girder
there we go
sleek wadi
Pre-boss HM isn't struggling much for flails, so a post-mech flails might sit better.
dense girder
**Some Flail Suggestions**, for quality of life.
*Crafting Recipes* - Because RNG always has the potential to screw you over.
Blue Moon - Victide Bars, Waterbolt, Chains, Bones @ an Anvil
Sunfury - Blue Moon, Hellstone, Bucket of Lava @ an Anvil
*Flail Changes* - Because these flails aren't very powerful (Ball o' Fugu much?).
Blue Moon - Occasionally shoots waterbolt projectiles on use.
Sunfury - Occasionally shoots homing fireballs on use.
**Duality -** *"Day and night, bright and quiet."* **- HM Flail**
An upgrade of the Sunfury, Blue Moon and Dao of Pow . On use, the Sunfury comes out and will hit enemies multiple times, inflicting On Fire!, and occasionally shooting homing fireballs. When it reaches the end of its swing, the Blue Moon comes out, and will inflict Temporal Sadness, as well as occasionally shooting waterbolt bolts. After this, the Dao of Pow comes out, confusing enemies on hit. This loops, as it autoswings.
Created: *Sunfury, Blue Moon, Dao of Pow, Souls of Light, Souls of Night @ a Mythril Anvil*
Credit: @Kujo Jotaro ⚓#5405 for crafting/changes ideas and refining the Duality suggestion
How's that
sleek wadi
I'd add bones to the Blue Moon recipe. Current recipe makes it pre-boss.
dense girder
Ty, fixed
@gaunt karma Edit your suggestion to be that big'un
I'll format it for ya, hold on
gaunt karma
was in fight, yes that is good thank you
dense girder
np 👌
radiant meadow
@karmic salmon are you using deific amulet?
The weapon was way too strong before
karmic salmon
in combination with the armor penetration, you mean?
radiant meadow
ye
iirc, it killed rev cryo in like half a minute without adren/rage
before it was nerfed a few times
hollow shell
smh imagine judging a weapon by its base damage instead of its DPS
languid ermine
halibut 
hollow shell
Cosmic Immaterializer must do nothing at all
karmic salmon
well excuse me for being a casual scrub that doesn't know how to heavily abuse every single game-mechanic/item >_>
hollow shell
ah shit that was given a base damage recently, my comparison has been foiled
Also it's not a manner of abusing the game mechanics as much as
actually using the weapon before you make a suggestion about it
karmic salmon
Okay, I get it. I'm sorry for picking up the thing, using it and noticing it not dealing any kind of impressive damage because I wasn't using the proper gear 
hollow shell
If you really did use the weapon and found it to deal less-than-expected DPS then you could have phrased the suggestion differently.
Mentioning only the base damage makes it seem like you didn't bother crafting it, or just saw it on the wiki, or something.
pale bluff
why does The Wand have such low Base Damage?
hollow shell
Cuz it's the damage of the initial spark projectile
pale bluff
hollow shell
You can see the 1 above the leftmost dummy that the spark hit
karmic salmon
I edited my suggestion. Does it sound more reasonable now? Did some further testing
hollow shell
Yes that is more reasonable 👍
karmic salmon
Good
pale bluff
why do 2 of my Suggestions have 2 Exclamation Mark reactions?
Without any sort of criticism ouh
fossil torrent
pale bluff
wait, my 2 Expert Items broke a rule?
delicate raft
Well, one of them was a pet
ashen warren
I think people use it as a dislike for lack of a better term
delicate raft
y'know how Fab is with vanity stuff
ashen warren
The ❕ anyways
hollow shell
Is Blade of the Phantom Lord a redo of Gauntlet of the Phantom Lord?
pale bluff
yeah, since Gauntlets are too Thanos-ish
hollow shell
That's
kind of a weird grey area
cyan lagoon
What
hollow shell
because reposts aren't allowed within 1 week of the original post, but it's only kinda a repost
hollow shell
Also Spiky Sword has no reasoning associated, which it would greatly benefit from considering it's vanity, not really fulfilling any purpose in terms of balance or filling tiers or anything like that
pale bluff
okie, I got rid of both the Spiky Sword and the Blade of the Phantom Lord
Both were p unnecessary imo
elder sparrow
i thought serpentine was good
hollow shell
You didn't need to get rid of Spiky Sword, coulda added a reason to it
but if you did wanna get rid of it then that's alright
pale bluff
I just need to make the Empty Gauntlet for the Gauntlet of the Phantom Lord, which is kinda hard to make a gauntlet
ashen warren
Aight, so two early ideas here:
- Make the slimed effect enhance rogue damage on applied enemies.
- Add an early ninja NPC that drops from King Slime and sells rogue items.
Do any have promise?
dense girder
I like the first one but
I think NPCs are already plentiful for time being
it's hell enough making rooms for all of them
ashen warren
I mean, you can just make cages
But the main problem i'm trying to solve is that the most that people have for rogue at the start are wulfrum knives, crystalline, and the seashell boomerang. To improve the situation, the ninja becomes a medium to implement new weapons throughout hardmode.
dense girder
Some people don't like making cages
A lot of people will like to build actual, good looking homes
some might just build repetitive blocks for pure utility which looks disgusting and not many do
The ninja seems like a good idea but there's just too many NPCs entering around KS level
Merchant, Nurse, Dryad, Amidias, Demolitionist
ashen warren
Isn't Amidas from the Giant Clam, which is after DS?
ashen warren
Despite housing concerns, which have been talked about beforehand, wouldn't an npc that helps rogue like how the Gunslinger helps ranged be beneficial overall?
delicate raft
Doesn't the player who leveled up shoot a firework?
dense girder
^
ashen warren
I can see where they're coming from tho, in the case of a boss battle. Should they not crash
Where there's too many projectiles to actually see whose firework it was
delicate raft
has sense
fervent sky
@arctic notch I like the suggestion you made for the Plaguebringer mount, but there's a few idead I have for it. Maybe it could occasionally launch Plague Missiles at enemies while riding it and pressing a certain key does a special attack.
quick dove
oo i like it
calamity i believe only has 3 mounts
the toasty brimstone seat, jelly bean and alicorn
but its always nice to have more, i guess
arctic notch
@fervent sky I'm pretty sure that might be hard to code, but it would be nice.
fervent sky
I mean it could just have a key binding for the attack
mental path
I think it would take long but not hard
fervent sky
Ye
mental path
you fight him long enough for the song to loop is what im concerned of
errant laurel
First fight, always
mental path
first or second phase?
errant laurel
First
It barely manages to, but it ends the first loop
Paradoxically, I rarely have a phase 2 that lasts more than phase 1 and sentinels combined
hearty yew
@mental path Unfortunately, that is not possible to program.
mental path
D:
hearty yew
Arrows are coded to fall. You cannot make un-falling arrows without making clones of every single arrow-type projectile in the game.
it would take so ridiculously much effort
mental path
well should i just delete the suggestions then?
so it is possible, but takes wayyy too much effort
hearty yew
you could delete it, you could not
even if it gets sent to dev server it will never happen
that's what i'm saying, it can't happen
is it a good suggestion? yes
quick dove
what yellow mushroom
oh the normal one
but brother crabulon was made from glowing mushrooms only
not only that if you go outside in the purity for 0.5 seconds with a weapon mushrooms will start popping out of nowhere
atomic basin
where'd you get the yellow from lol
but getting them en masse is ass
you have to wait for them to spawn somewhere and then go get them
most other alchemy ingredients are something you can easily grow, expect mushrooms
tame moss
maybe a mushroom log farmable? Plant like pumpkin seeds and on harvest it yields some shrooms
vestal elbow
few patches ago
lapis kernel
interesting
so apparently the rocket boots/spectre boots are now better than most pre plantera wings
skyline wings dont even make you jump higher
even with specre boots you barely go higher than normal jump heights
the red balloon makes you go higher
vestal elbow
MOAB is the new hotness
radiant meadow
do you have defiled rune on?
because skyline wings should still take you up a decent amount
sleek wadi
Skyline is entirely outclassed by the bottle accessories.
lapis kernel
does the refiled rune actually nerf it even more?
now I gotta check this because as far as I know I might have accidentally left it on
hollow shell
Defiled Rune removes the ability to fly with wings
sleek wadi
No flight time and no speed, the only reason you'd ever want to use it over Sandstorm in a Balloon is gliding
lapis kernel
So it turns out it was the defiled rune
the thing is, I was playing on a friends world and I guess he turned on the defiled rune without remembering to turn it off since
hollow shell
oof
astral lake
I appreciate skyline wings ;m;
hollow shell
all the more reason for a visual indicator that Defiled Rune, Armageddon, or Death Mode is on, eh?
ashen warren
so much good suggestions
hollow shell
Yeah Curse is having a bad time atm
young fog
has that already been suggested? The indicator