Still working on it, it's a flashy concept alright
#suggestions-discussion
round falcon
Any thoughts before I suggest it? (Comments are enabled so you can fix my spelling or suggest a change)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1btAP5veDCFE6neReB5IDbEuVe7cH9N9VrTy_WWJkBAE/edit?usp=drivesdk
novel vine
Ooh
round falcon
Inspired by the meme suggestion 
faint rivet
ornate pecan
HTB
dense girder
we don't speak of that foul youtuber here
ashen warren
What was wrong with a 'skillet' pun?
sinful violet
Seemed pretty half baked to me
dense girder
Fuck you
spiral olive
kind parcel
...would it be weird of me to want to suggest the Astralgeldon Slime boss as a regular enemy?
kind parcel
Understood.
dense girder
It will be called a meme suggestion and you will be warned
kind parcel
Weird, but still understandable.
rustic ember
I miss astrageldon slime
sonic quest
miniboss slime
gusty geode
I don't remember Astralgeldon ever being a meme
All I know is there was a decent wave of backlash when it was removed and all of a sudden people called it a meme
fossil torrent
where's the terry quote
gusty geode
Maybe it just died down over time but all requests I've seen to bring it back in some form have seemed pretty genuine
I'm not accusing anyone of anything but for all we know the devs started the memeing so they'd have an excuse to ignore the actual requests
frail mantle
in the pins
fossil torrent
butt where
dense girder
Any ideas on the suggestion I made?
distant gyro
blood orbs?
hollow shell
Yes, question
How would Gravitation and Featherfall work at the same time?
Holding W with Featherfall slows your fallspeed, but flips gravity with Gravitation
dense girder
Holding S slows your fallspeed
frail mantle
literally the fourth pinned comment 
hollow shell
No that makes you fall at normal speed
fossil torrent
oh fuck in here but it's a pic of the quote fuck
dense girder
Oh right
I mean just remove the lowered falling speed
The potion negates fall damage already, you wouldn't need to worry about it
If you missed an island or planetoid you could just zoop back up to it
hollow shell
Alright
gusty geode
Does anyone have any pics of Astralgeldon memes
I never saw any of that, I'm not convinced it was actually a thing
lost agate
Not all memes are pics
faint needle
what about a item dropped from the last boss at the time (now scal, in the future whatever boss devs decide) that just nullifies chaos state
lost agate
Ew no
hollow shell
@dense girder uhh that wording could be better
"lowers fall speed"
"does not allow for lowering fall speed"
gusty geode
I'll drop it because I doubt anyone cares, but what I'm trying to say is that it doesn't appear to have occurred to anyone that maybe most, if not all of the backlash from removing Astralgeldon was completely genuine
hollow shell
Aight thats good
sleek wigeon
Of course the backlash was genuine
but i also think its completely unfounded
at the end of the day, its just a fight rework combined with a resprite
dense girder
If you don't fight the EoW with spiky balls, it's your problem, he's incredibly easy to cheese like that
mental path
oh really?
lost agate
Its unintentional that he gets dr when a head dies
ashen warren
Nice
ashen warren
@umbral tendon You are aware that throwing is still a thing, right? That and the armors available for rogue at that stage are just old sets with new rogue damage buffs. If the devs really wanted rogue progression to have the effects of those armors, they'd have added them to the pumpkin or hoplite armors.
radiant meadow
gladiator (and obsidian) gives rogue boosts though
ninja and fossil will stay throwing
ruby cobalt
Pumpkin affects rogue too, yeah.
ashen warren
Also rogue and throwing are tryna become separate
tender obsidian
hmm.... rogue and throwing being separate...
what vanilla item that is throwing hasn't changed into rogue?
dense girder
why does it matter
tender obsidian
curious, that's all
tender obsidian
nope
dense girder
tender obsidian
because that probably wouldn't happen anyways
and there'd be a good reason for it staying like that
gusty geode
Wasn't rogue getting a rework to be not just throwing
hollow shell
It already kinda did
All of its armors have a special stealth effect now
tender obsidian
k
sleek wigeon
No vanilla items have been changed into rogue
btw
except for obby and gladiator armor
tired haven
And that's mostly because they were sucky 'vanity' armor
hollow shell
and pumpkin
sleek wigeon
Pumpkin?
that seems like an odd choice considering how
ya know
it was actually good?
calm onyx
Obsidian armor at least looked pretty hot.
hollow shell
@echo ruin Cosmic Kunai
civic rampart
Why don't you do the resprite yourself @grim otter
grim otter
i don't know how to and i don't know how to sprite in calamity style
hollow shell
It's currently in Resprited Needed in the art server, so don't worry, it's coming
(suggestion unneeded)
grim otter
oh thanks
hollow shell
@waxen pike ???
vestal elbow
bruh moment
proven tide
oh no
fervent sky
Anyone know what the rules are on reposting suggestions of your own?
proven tide
Gotta be at least a month since it was last posted, and don't repost it if it got over the star threshold, IIRC
hollow shell
You're allowed to do it if your original post didn't reach the required amount of stars, and it's been at least 1 week since the original posting
waxen pike
Why did you ping me
fervent sky
Cool
hollow shell
@worthy pivot The rules of the server are that you have to speak English. Sorry.
(Las reglas del servidor son que tienes que hablar inglés. Lo siento.)
(Hopefully Google Translate didn't butcher that)
waxen pike
@hollow shell
fervent sky
I was just wondering about reposting because I'm making some updates to stuff and didn't know if I could post it again
waxen pike
The siren heart accessory
2 varieties blue and green bow they both look the same exact one is lighter
hollow shell
They are slightly different though...
waxen pike
Now they both look like the one on the bottom but lighter
hollow shell
Oh, that you are right.
I did not know that
You should elaborate more in the suggestion that it has been changed to be this way
Lotta people prolly don't know either
dense girder
ashen warren
alright i came up with a whole new mini-boss and armor and weapons that came with it
hollow shell
Neat
delicate raft
Wut
hollow shell
@summer egret Are you talking about the Calamity Texture Pack?
Also don't speak in all caps.
summer egret
I didnt
But I didn't know there was a texture pack
But no
I mean making texture packs for modded items
hollow shell
I'm not sure if that's possible
If it is, it's not something that Calamity can implement. You'd have to ask some other modder to do it externally
sinful violet
And yeah, don't use all caps for suggestions please
dense girder
BRUH MOMENT
unique vector
ping me with comments on my suggestion, im gonna be away for a little while 
quiet abyss
@ashen warren I saw that, don't talk in #suggestions-voting please.
unique vector
okay i reorganized my suggestion so its more readable 
quiet abyss
Figured it was an accident, but I figured I might as well advised you anyways.
Can never be too safe.
ashen warren
makes since
lost agate
what even is an upvote?
quiet abyss
This? 👍
proven tide
⬆
lost agate
ah
proven tide
oh no the reddit upvote has arrived
lost agate
eeeeeh
proven tide
I just wanna see how far this goes owo
quiet abyss
I can see where the suggestion is coming from, but rn the stars system we have is fine.
hollow shell
Yeah no need to change it really
cunning comet
hollow shell
@dull minnow Could you add a reason to your suggestion?
ashen warren
How has Xetaxheb's suggestion for the music mod not reached 65 stars?!
hollow shell
One reason is because the music mod also includes Music Boxes, which would be difficult to work around if it was made client-side
ashen warren
Ah, boxes are in the music mod.
That's quite annoying.
proven tide
oh no it's bak
ashen warren
Why is there another sonic suggestion?
proven tide
If it's a weapon, it shouldn't have an animated sprite @pale bluff
(it's the same suggestion reworked)
ashen warren
Has it been a week?
pale bluff
oh yeah
proven tide
Technically he deleted it last time so IDK
Only five days but it doesn't exist anymore so oof
proven tide
uh
ashen warren
You don't even have a damage type.
ashen warren
Why did rover star it?!
hollow shell
habit, mostly
usually star things that only have 1 star after I remove the exclamation, for peace of mind
I do star good suggestions too though, yes.
proven tide
When is it, progression-wise? How fast is it used? How much damage, approximately (like, should it be used for slow massive damage? Fast scratch damage?) does it deal? How is it obtained?
hollow shell
Pretty sure the thing is
Those aren't important
proven tide
Astrum
hollow shell
The thing he wants added to the mod is all listed in that suggestion
It can be whenever, and it can function however, as long as it does those effects
pale bluff
I could add a special thing if you named your character "Jackal" which makes the Aura red instead of Photonegative, but I decided that it would be best if it just didn't have any special trait like how Yharim's Crystal and the Cosmic Plushie has
unique vector
special naming is reserved for important people or devs
unique vector
@summer egret whats the reason behind this may i ask?
pale bluff
most likely a reference to those games that had the physics of a Saint's Row 4 Pedestrian
basically glitchy
summer egret
Nah i was thinking phasing through the floor with plates from skyrim
ashen warren
@shadow tiger Could you elaborate on that? Your suggestion amounts to essentially: "add new cultist drops"
shadow tiger
well sorry if its not too specific but ill elaborate
I suggested new weapons dropped by the lunatic cultist, that are similar to the eidolon staff calamity mod already has
Weapons similar to it in the sense they involve the moon pillars and classes (such as how eidolon staff does magic damage)
but if your looking for more specific things (for example, an entire weapon suggested by me) then im fine with that
tough trail
I feel like a sword that rains down the fireballs from the fight would be a good move, in a Starwrath-like fashion
tough trail
well then pretty much everything else would not be usable for melee
tough trail
Eidolon Staff is already based on an attack by the cultist, so I think it would be weird to switch up the theme
shadow tiger
oh yeah
ashen warren
This is all you have if you're limiting yourself to cultist attacks fyi.
pale bluff
why not a Minion Summon that summons Ancient Dooms or a Sentry Summon that summons an Ancient Medallion which fires some Cultist Attacks
shadow tiger
ancient dooms and phantasm dragon for summoner perhaps?
ancient light, idk... uhh
fireballs definitely for melee
maybe the lightning orbs can be ranged?
ashen warren
phantasm dragon
No worm summons.
tough trail
already a worm summon anyways that you can get two minutes after
shadow tiger
oh-
pale bluff
these Worm Summons are up to something
hollow shell
... it'd be really cool if there was a summon weapon that spawned a limited amount of mini-Phantasm Dragon segments per use, maybe 4 or 5 max, with every subsequent use spawning mini-Ancient Visions
ashen warren
Worm summons are broken, look at mechworm.
hollow shell
Mechworm got fixed mostly
tough trail
Broken as in OP? Or just don't work properly?
tough trail
Thought so
summer egret
Mini moon lord
tough trail
Doesnt make sense for a cultist weapon. (It does but it really doesnt)
pale bluff
I like how my Sonic Weapon is getting liked, since the Vanity Request went a little iffy
sleek wadi
A flail that ignores gravity and shoots out ice spikes, based on Cultist's ice attack.
There, cultist melee weapon.
ashen warren
I think that the clone summoning ability fits rogue most tbh.
Mage uses the ice and ancient light already.
Summoner is obviously going to be ancient vision/ancient doom and maybe phantasm dragon however fab hates coding worm summons iirc.
You've got ranged and melee to go with only fireballs and the lightning orbs.
A star wrath or terra blade-esque projectile is boring and lazy, try and think of something different to just "thord maek firbal" since we've seen it countless times already.
The lightning lends itself to bow above other ranged weapons in my opinion.
sleek wadi
Also not another fucking sword
shadow tiger
hmm.. yes i like that
sonic quest
ancient vision/doom would make for a cool summon weapon :0
ashen warren
And yes, doing something that isn't a sword would be nice also.
shadow tiger
flail weapons seem like alot already
theres already one vanilla, nebulash, cosmic discharge, and alot others
so we dont have much ideas
sleek wadi
If ice attack is already used, then how about a flail that rains fireballs upon contact with tiles or enemies
ashen warren
Scythes are just swords by a different name.
sleek wadi
Here is the thing though, there aren't many actual gravity-affected flails and none of them have on-tile effects.
ashen warren
"fires fucklaods of fireballs"?
I guess so.
There ya go @proven tide you're a poet now.
ashen warren
Obviously I was being sarcastic.
shadow tiger
ik
proven tide
cheers seq
sleek wadi
Planet Cracker
The end times start now!
Drops from Lunatic Cultist
Flail, affected by gravity. Retains momentum better than other flails.
Releases a burst of homing fireballs upon contact with an enemy, platform, or tile.
A melee drop from Cultist to get you through the pillars.
Not another fucking sword and is somewhat interesting due to a unique effect, that being an on-tile one.
arctic wren
could make lightning a yoyo
it's a circular orb that the cultist fires that shoots lightning
sleek wadi
Flails need more love, and not the Solar Eruption kind of flails.
ashen warren
platform
uhhhhhhh, massive cheese potential there
pale bluff
the Lightning should be a Thorium-like weapon
ashen warren
What's a "Thorium-like" weapon?
arctic wren
pale bluff
like the Mjonir
arctic wren
also is it bad to point out there's a whole bunch of 65+ suggestions that haven't gotten ticked yet
sleek wadi
Flame scythe is sick idk what you're talking about
arctic wren
Succ Boomerang
Makes enemies wet 
I'm sorry
tulip rock
hatchet is good cause it has decent use time and super long range/fast homing properties
arctic wren
honestly I think of boomerangs as more throwing/rouge stuff
ashen warren
I'm not talking about whether it's good or not.
Boomerangs. Are. Boring.
Compare them to flails or spears or swords and it's no contest.
Even yoyos are better and I find them to just be a gag item.
proven tide
heh
sacred thorn
I hope no one gets the reference
But I’d think a light blue gemspark block would look nice
timber trout
prismarine?
quiet abyss
^ Elaborate, please.
proven tide
Oo, shiny PFP uwu
hollow shell
Please do rephrase your suggestion, the language is difficult to understand.
sinful violet
no
jovial spire
I have no idea
hollow shell
I'll delete. He can try again with better wording if he wants.
proven tide
Cheers
I think he's trying to say that he'd prefer all the post-Yharim weapons to be boss drops only (no crafting) so as to never have to grind again
.—.
devout seal
Yharon
proven tide
Yharim.
As far as I can tell, he's talking about future updates implementing bosses after SCal
'cause it would be very stupid to completely rework every current end-game weapon crafting system
hollow shell
@west prairie Could you include some reasoning with that suggestion?
random tide
its cuz HM is missing a prismesque weapon
west prairie
keep the sunken sea relevant
west prairie
plus its a niche that i dont think any mod has filled
hollow shell
In the suggestion itself, I mean.
ancient dragon
Every mod I've seen try to do an 'early, nerfed Last Prism' weapon has failed catastrophically.
west prairie
really?
ancient dragon
And there's a lot more of those than you'd think.
sinful violet
thorium has that trombone thing iirc
ancient dragon
Oh right, that exists.
radiant meadow
that's early hm
west prairie
it either sucked or was too good?
west prairie
besides this one never lets the beam converge
sinful violet
Then I dunno what other hm last prism-esque weapons there are
west prairie
its more a "pretty spray of colors" and not a "concentrated death beam"
ancient dragon
Trombone was alright for CC but that's it. They had to physically destroy the amount of iframes it gives enemies too, making it only good for CC.
west prairie
except the colors are all turquoise
proven tide
h
random tide
he figured it out
proven tide
sinful violet
@random spoke That'll have to be a warn for straight memeing in suggestions.
Let's not do that in the future.
ancient dragon
Oh I missed that whoops.
sinful violet
Especially if you don't know how to delete it yourself.
west prairie
isnt it possible to just nerf the damage
radiant meadow
I thought they just accidentally pressed enter
sinful violet
If you're going to meme, do it well and discreetly.
west prairie
give it a relatively low damage stat but the ability to deal with a wide enemy spread fairly well
sinful violet
You guys have no idea how many times I've actually posted in showcase before I delete it, do you
ancient dragon
Unless you put it in single digits, you're probably going to run into a balancing issue all the same.
I dunno though, Fab might be able to pull it off.
radiant meadow
I mean, single digits may be the way to go
Serpentine only has a dmg value of 10 iirc
not a prism but still
ancient dragon
There's a lot of fine-tuning that'd be involved in this, and I dunno if he'd have the patience to do it unless it was a Patreon item or something.
west prairie
wouldnt it just tick enemies for 1 over and over due to defense
lost agate
Which is still a lot considering how fast it hits
sinful violet
Just make it some rainbow crystal sentry-esque attack then
west prairie
dont individual small beams during the chargeup (mind you, this weapon is just the chargeup) not hit all the time
sinful violet
Good damage/looks cool, but not consistent enough to be 🅱 roke
lost agate
Yeah but u see, either way it just melts eow and perfs
sinful violet
^
west prairie
requires souls of sight
lost agate
Oh well destroyer then
ancient dragon
I mean, you can probably make it work with enough fiddling in code but again, not sure if Fab'd be up to that.
west prairie
doesnt destroyer get pierce resist in the modes that matter anyways
radiant meadow
I think that was removed?
proven tide
According to the wiki:
'Piercing attacks despawn after damaging the Destroyer a certain amount of times, limiting their effectiveness.'
gusty geode
I support Missing Item
Why'd it not get approved?
gusty geode
hollow shell
I kept the exclamation because it's a random thing that was given no reasoning
hollow shell
What?
delicate raft
Uh nvm, just restarted Discord and it got deleted
hollow shell
oh
warm tinsel
You guys want more lore?
tired haven
Congratulations, you killed a slime
dusty stirrup
Those lores are being added by the update (not hotfix)
warm tinsel
@tired haven I require that, especially to know why that ninja is in the slime
Are they in 1.4.2 already or still need to be done?
dusty stirrup
they're gonna be in 1.4.2.1
warm tinsel
Then, imma kill provi once it's out
tired haven
I highly suspect ninja was just a random loser, but maybe there is more to that
sleek wadi
I wonder how many people around that random ninja died in order to become the king slime.
I'm gonna guess his entire family and some of his clan.
ancient dragon
Man, Ryu doesn't get enough respect. 
ashen warren
Yharim saying "Congratulations, you killed a slime" dryly fits wayy too much.
arctic wren
^^^^^
sinful violet
That's his plantera line you nuts
obtuse swallow
"One of the many servants of the Slime God accidently swallowed a ninja...interesting..."
reef swift
nyom
ashen warren
"Remake it except I'm not going to help with ideas of course"
mental path
Make the rage potion give you rage when holding a summon weapon (33 rage a second, meaning 5 minutes to fill rage up completely while the potion itself lasts only 4 minutes)
reasons:
- Summons dont do crits
- Rage potion
- another way to gain rage
How's this for a suggestion before i post it?
ashen warren
draedon's heart/heart of darkness charges faster than that iirc, and i don't really feel like summoner needs to gen rage to be useful since it might be a tad on the strong side where late game is concerned
mental path
the hearts charge up 35 each
ashen warren
wiki says draedon's fills up at 60 per sec 
mental path
sue me 
ashen warren
heart of darkness is lower than your suggestion sure but like, what's the point in giving an already powerful class even more power
mental path
well summoners do not need it, but neither do they need that potion
and it can be used with other classes
ashen warren
that potion isn't in calamity so how is that relevant to a calamity suggestion?
mental path
how is it not? ._.
ashen warren
because you don't balance around what other mods add
mental path
yeah but we do balance vanilla
opal barn
Rage is vanilla
ashen warren
oh the suggestion was edited nvm
mental path
I think 5 minutes to completely gain rage from the potion is fair, since you need either another potion or another source of rage to completely gain it
or unlimted rage from luiafk
ashen warren
and if you combine it with draedon's heart or heart of darkness? summoner then gains rage fast enough to outclass other classes since it's literally a burst of damage
mental path
would take about 20 second for rage to fill up with all of that, and you need to actually have 2 accessory slots for the hearts
ashen warren
I don't think gaining rage is the right way to balance it based on that tbh, sure summoner has it's struggles but it shines post-ml and this would just push that into near broken levels of balance imo
Giving up 2 accessories for rage every 20 seconds? that's a very easy decision to make
mental path
what about making it take longer after moon lord?
like 15 a second instead
no that would take a minute 30 seconds
10 a second
ruby cobalt
0 a second and you forget about this.
mental path
nah
actually youre right, how about it stops working when both hearts are equipped, that would bring more balance
ashen warren
it would still make summoner outclass other classes tbh, i think you underestimate how valuable a ripper is
Up next: Summoner 2 minute scal speed nohit.
mental path
what's a ripper
ashen warren
i actually did that sequence
Rage and adrenaline are ripper modes.
and that's without this rage gain idea 
Referencing MGR:R
Since raiden (the player) has a literal "ripper mode", elaborating would be spoilers.
mental path
the potion could be worked to not work on scal, like items that shorten adrenaline
ashen warren
and it would still make summoner outclass others at so many points in the game
Scal isn't the only problem smh.
You'd be able to spam rage on every boss.
Rage is normally a 1 and maybe 2 time thing.
reminder that calamity summoner armours throughout the game give more damage and were balanced around summoners not being able to crit, adding this just makes that damage bonus insane on top of rage spam
120% damage increase.
civic rampart
400% in dm
ashen warren
actually..
and that's before prov even dies, since birb was moved pre-provi
"rage every 20 seconds"
29% more damage constantly.
Not including getting hit which also builds rage.
civic rampart
But having periodic bursts that you can control are better than consistent dmg
mental path
I said it wouldn't work if both hearts are equipped
ashen warren
What gyy said^
civic rampart
You wouldn't need to go through stinky brothers on clone
ashen warren
trivialising everything because 
Summoner is one of the best classes, buffing them is entirely unnecessary.
Oh that reminds me, exoblade lifesteal should be nerfed imo.
As it stands, after the change to lifesteal to make the cooldown less painful you can syphon 80ish hp from scal every few seconds.
Unless scal makes lifesteal cooldowns longer since I tested this on a super dummy.
Good suggestion or no?
mental path
well, the rage gain could still be nerfed or have a cap
my original idea was having it give rage to start bosses with having rage full
ashen warren
So the potion of darkness from alchnpc?
mental path
basically
ashen warren
Download alchnpc.
mental path
no its too op
mental path
Thats what im trying to do... nerfing my suggestion enough
ashen warren
Giving rage can very easily become extremely strong, remove that.
mental path
nerfing it enough so instead of a big carry, or a medium help its a small help
ashen warren
Having it just give a flat 5% increase to summon damage would be enough.
mental path
I wanted it to be more of a "potion of darkness" from alchemist
I've also thought about that same idea, but it doesnt go with my intention
ashen warren
Then get alchnpc and just not use the other shit.
mental path
I'm not getting alchemist
elder kestrel
But
It's too op!! !!
ashen warren
Smh my smh
mental path
Alchemist's is way too op compared to mine
not counting everything else alchemist adds, even in the lite version of the mod
elder kestrel
Really? I find that hard to believe
ashen warren
you're literally suggesting something that would break the balance of the summoner class and require an entire class rebalance just to fit your suggestion in
mental path
I'm trying to balance my suggestion so we dont rebalance the entire class here
ashen warren
remove the rage gain shenanigans entirely and you're on the right track
"Having it just give a flat 5% increase to summon damage would be enough."
Do you even read?
elder kestrel
Remove the suggestion entirely and you're on the right track*
delicate vector
That suggestion is gold
ashen warren
While your system is better and would be a welcome addition to music mod imo, you can get "better music boxes" in the meantime.
Makes boxes work in vanity.
I listen to wasteland all the time.
rich inlet
I’m just a huge fan of sanctuary, wasteland, outcast of the sulfurous sea and acceptance
i mean, the music I want to listen to all time
All the music tracks really fits the bosses and stuff
ashen warren
All the music tracks are gold*
sacred thorn
Sanctuary music box?
sacred thorn
Ok cool
ashen warren
That suggestion was already made right?
sacred thorn
Was it?
ashen warren
Got sent and everything iirc.
frail mantle
Do you mean make the lore item look like the boss it drops from? @sacred thorn
ashen warren
sacred thorn
Huh would ya look at that
ashen warren
Wow, 5 months ago.
mental path
Make the rage potion give you rage when holding a summon weapon (20 rage a second, meaning 8 minutes 20 seconds to fill rage up completely while the potion itself lasts only 4 minutes)
with a couple nerfs so it's not OP
- It's reduced to 10 rage a second when heart of darkness is equipped, and 5 when draedon's heart is equipped.
- this doesn't apply when both draedon's heart and heart of darkness are equipped
- this doesn't apply when supreme calamitas is alive
- this only applies when holding a summon weapon
reasons: - Summons dont do crits, making the potion completely useless to summoners without this suggestion
- Rage potion, it's in the name
- another way to gain rage
- other classes can do this too when holding a summon weapon
Counter-Arguments:
-"Why not get alchemistnpc and get the potion of darkness?" well, simply because a lot of people think the mod is really overpowered, including myself, and the potion is really overpowered itself.
-"alchemist is op just like your suggestion, a perfect match" I've tried to nerf it as much as i can so it's not a carry, or a viable strategy against some bosses, but a small help anywhere
-"Why not just make it give 5% more damage to summon?" this is not my intention
-"you can spam rage on bosses with this" at most, this will help you fill up rage once in a fight
now?
ashen warren
I still don't see why you think a flat damage increase isn't better.
If that's what you're actually going to post however then a lot should be changed.
Counter-arguments as written are too specific and personal, changing for example my counter argument to something about a flat damage increase and not a very specific percentage.
Other classes are never gonna hold a summon weapon since your only method of dealing damage is weapons.
mental path
a damage increase is not what I want that's it, thanks for trying to improve my post and they will hold a summon weapon if they want to get rage faster before a boss starts
ashen warren
Letting yourself get slapped by a zombie or something only takes a minute or so.
If it's meant to aid in that then it's not going to be something most people care about.
Carrying a slime staff everywhere also clutters your inventory.
mental path
yeah i want it to be a small quality of life or something
it's only 1 inventory slot compared to an accessory slot for the hearts
well, you would wear those hearts for faster rage
but draedon's heart is post-ml
ashen warren
The stat boosts that draedon's heart gives makes it viable to actually wear as a combat accessory and not just as something you put on and go make a sandwich or something.
Post-DoG actually.
mental path
oh it was changed to post-dog right
anyway i'll be posting it with some modifications now
sacred thorn
Spikes are an easy way to get rage
mental path
that's been patched
sacred thorn
Huh
mental path
doesn't work anymore
delicate vector
Do statue-spawned ennemies give you rage ?
mental path
nope
ashen warren
No
mental path
"Taking damage by drowning, taking damage from enemies spawned from statues, taking damage from traps or taking damage from debuffs does not fill the Rage Meter" taken directly from the wiki
sacred thorn
Just let the eye of Cthulhu slap you around while you’re near the nurse
mental path
with determination breaker with max defence and dr you can get too
or accessories that kill the eye before you die
like amalgam etc
radiant meadow
that 2nd point isn't necessary
draedon's and hod don't stack their rage gaining
draedon's takes priority
mental path
oh thanks didnt know that
radiant meadow
if they did stack, that would be very dumb
mental path
well that makes alot of the argument we had above dumb lol
sacred thorn
But the potion shouldn’t stack with draedon either
mental path
well with draedon's heart it reduces it from 2 minutes 45 seconds to 2 minutes 30 seconds
ashen warren
I wouldn't be surprised if the amount of damage summoners get via armor/accessories includes the fact that yharim's stims, rage, and well fed all don't give crit chance.
ashen warren
Specifically because of shit like this.
obtuse swallow
Woah
sacred thorn
Well then
mental path
amazing balance
ashen warren
Are gone.
obtuse swallow
Wait they are?
obtuse swallow
Wiki says there are caps for like everything
ashen warren
mental path
owo what's the twist
ashen warren
There was a full rebalance.
hollow shell
Many things lost their ability to give you crit chance
mental path
oh like the lucky prefix giving 2% instead of 4?
hollow shell
yes
mental path
damage > crit anyway
mental path
thats easy double damage
obtuse swallow
Ahh
ashen warren
You changed none of the stuff I mentioned.
sacred thorn
*** Passifier***
Used to make bosses go away every 3rd time a boss spawns in deathmode
🛠: 5 gold/platinum bars and leather or found randomly in a gold chest
: Sometimes prehardmode bosses spawn way to often and if you’re far away looting and exploring, the random spawn can just ruin all of that
obtuse swallow
Sweet. Doing math to hit the cap just right was annoying
ashen warren
I got used to it alice but I can see how it could get annoying.
...sigh
"Counter-arguments as written are too specific and personal, changing for example my counter argument to something about a flat damage increase and not a very specific percentage."
Specifically: All of them.
covert igloo
re
sacred thorn
Is my suggestion good?
ashen warren
That's one of the things about DM, if you only want it for bosses then activate it before bosses.
Having an item for that seems pointless.
sacred thorn
Ok
mental path
editted
ashen warren
Star was removed. 
sacred thorn
By who
mental path
wait why doesnt mine have reactions
sacred thorn
Star got removed
ashen warren
that means your suggestion was shot down tbh
mental path
;-;
obtuse swallow
That sounds pointless
sacred thorn
Well that was quick
ashen warren
We tried to warn you.
mental path
spent 1 1/2 hour on this
obtuse swallow
Put your butt on some spikes, wait for rage, done
sacred thorn
Doesn’t work
mental path
Taking damage by drowning, taking damage from enemies spawned from statues, taking damage from traps or taking damage from debuffs does not fill the Rage Meter.
obtuse swallow
They removed that? Thats kinda stupid
mental path
taken directly from the wiki
ashen warren
Current method is using KS or EoC.
sacred thorn
Still a few slaps from eoc would work
ashen warren
Or godmode + flaming wheel if you're me.
mental path
oh man cheat sheet on legit playthroughs
obtuse swallow
Honestly i'd be fine with a potion that insta fills your rage but has a very long cooldowm
ashen warren
cough alchnpc cough
mental path
potion of darkness from alchemist npc does that
sacred thorn
Or be a boss and don’t use rage but use adrenaline
ashen warren
4 gold if you forgot to turn off arma.
ashen warren
For easy plat?
mental path
this is going off topic
lapis kernel
Do summoners still do less damage if you aren’t holding out the summon item
lost agate
Yeah, but it affects you less now
hollow dust
iirc, it's incremental now. Pre HM it's not there, HM it's 33%, post ML it's 66%
hollow shell
(tbh I don't think the star on Breaks' suggestion should have been removed at all. I will re-add)
ruby cobalt
I wonder who removed it
hollow shell
Its very well-reasoned and descriptive. Stars should only be removed from nonsense or meme suggestions, or ones that are otherwise missing something major or definitively breaks a rule
placid moth
Hm, isn't there already Drainer which increases rage for 25% health
ashen warren
That's alchnpc.
placid moth
Oh ok.
mental path
woah thanks for readding the star
round falcon
It seems 34 people really like eggs with their fire moths and bumbling birbs.
placid moth
Interesting concept.
quick dove
i like the concept aswell
summer egret
Whixmch thing
obtuse swallow
Ohhh rage staff sounds cool
summer egret
The rage staff?
placid moth
Yes
frail mantle
if you make a sprite now you'll get even more stars
dense girder
@ornate pecan Maybe give Lobster Carcass, when cooked, a special buff aside from just well fed?
e.g. extra defense or DR since lobsters have heavy shells
atomic basin
eating lobster carcass gives you the debuff pincers in your stomach
ornate pecan
like eat it straight up
Plus my idea for adding a lobster is because we have a lot of unique and somewhat obscure creature of the ocean, so i decided to add something that many New Englanders enjoy eating, lobsters
dense girder
I mean
lobsters aren't, really, obscure
but yes i think it's nice to have them, fits the chain of similar animals we already have
shrimp, mantis shrimp, lobster
ornate pecan
No but I mean some of the other creatures in Calamity
dense girder
what do you mean?
reef escarp
Woah there are stats
ornate pecan
Not many people know what a Gulper eel is
dense girder
I do, but then again, I want to be a marine biologist so I would, I see your point
You meant that there are obscure creatures in calamity, not irl
reef escarp
You can't put stats
dense girder
You can
fossil torrent
yes you can, but it doesn’t matter and is a waste of time and makes you look bad
dense girder
You can add stats, but devs are free to change any of them at any time if they don't like them
It's a good idea if you actually put time into it with some research to make it balanced
ornate pecan
Ok i see your point
fossil torrent
and that’s a lot of them
dense girder
Instead of just "lorcde 10,00492,00hp"
reef escarp
It is better not to put stats
dense girder
It's fine to have stats, Crow
It gives people a better idea of what the mob would do
opal barn
it's fine to have it but there isn't really much point except for general "where it's supposed to be" type of stats
dense girder
But add a line saying "All stats are subject to change at any time by developers." or similar @ornate pecan
ahhh no dont remove them 
ornate pecan
A bit late, sorry
green ruin
@ornate pecan Maybe make the Lobster Carcass about 30% drop rate, otherwise a trip to the sunken sea would fill up an inventory really fast
ornate pecan
Good idea
west prairie
yikes hit the character limit
west prairie
ik
dense girder
uses doc
still puts whole paragraph into suggestion
eh still a good suggestion take my star
gusty geode
I think it's a smart idea
The paragraph gives a tldr on what you want to accomplish, the doc goes into detail on how you want to do it
ornate pecan
Already and my lobster has been surpassed by the supreme brothers
dense girder
welcome to TheBlackHand's suggestions
they're good
but if it comes after yours just delete it
cold terrace
(referring to the oasis) There's already a hm last prism, its a martian madness drop
sinful violet
charged blaster cannon is shit, yeah
unique vector
@west prairie im pretty sure new brothers is a planned thing already
fabsol said it before that its something he is planning for the future
west prairie
really?
holy shit he did
"The brother phase will be redone so that SCal becomes immobile and do no damage just like during bullet hell phases."
"And the brothers will have new AIs"
dense girder
🇫
dusty stirrup
The Monsters are pixelated though
quick dove
not sure what he means by them not fitting in the fight
dusty stirrup
Pretty sure he meant spritewise
unique vector
im pretty sure they arent getting resprited
devout seal
They also are unfinished, at-least, from what i see
dusty stirrup
Whaddya mean by unfinished?
devout seal
They just look unfinished.
I don't have the sprite though, and even then, they're a step above even what i make regurally.
faint rivet
Bol
dusty stirrup
So like lots of calamity sprites?
pulsar notch
It's not the right pixel scale
Honestly I dislike the sprite itself anyway
faint rivet
I skipped over the l in flat
reef mountain
It’s literally just made of 3 shades of red...
spiral olive
is the current one in 2x2?
dusty stirrup
Well feel free to improve it
proven tide
uhh
cyan lagoon
you could always use the Unicorn set @ashen warren
ashen warren
thats true
glossy bough
Play Wizard of Legend then @ashen warren
dense girder
could you then delete your suggestion shulker because it most likely is not going to happen
or at the very least give good reasoning other than "my friend wants, we don't want to play tremor"
still falcon
is this suggestion good enough
Astral Wings.
-125 Flight time
-average horizontal and vertical speed
-Made with 100 Stardust and 20 souls of flight
: Calamity doesn't add any pre-Cryogen wings (yeah you can just use the vanilla wings but that's boring) and there aren't any astral themed win-
***"WhAt aBoUt ThE hAdArIaN wInGs???"***
Eh, it may use astral bars but it just doesn't exactly look like an astral themed wings imo
reef mountain
Most vanilla wings are early hardmode, and most calamity wings are after that, serving as stepping stones.
I suggest making it worse than most vanilla wings of that tier, but still better than jetpack, since stardust is so easy to get.
proven tide
@summer egret Would that be a vanity or functional accessory?
summer egret
Functional
placid girder
Has anyone suggested having sharpening station be purchasable from merchant
summer egret
worm scarf with more resistant
proud isle
Does anyone else find lunatic cultist way too easy
It’s relatively easily beaten with a lion fish
dusty stirrup
I see a statement but no suggestion
You should add what you think we could do to make it harder
glossy bough
Cultist is a mini boss
ashen warren
projectile melee users suffer a lack of anything to use post-sentinels
Polterghast drops a hook so powerful you can cheese the entirety of DoG.
The brimstone monsters are a lot of just one color is the issue.
The sprites need more color than "brimstone red"
Sharpening station can be crafted iirc, however the sharpening station is trash anyway.
Debuffs giving rage would be fine imo except providence has the massive one that could potentially be used to cheese the whole fight.
The one given for being too far away.
agile cloud
Yeah, You just have to be careful doing it
ashen warren
Which is the whole thing of rage, blood for power.
That lunatic cultist suggestion is literally just saying it's easy.
ashen warren
It doesn't even do the curtesy of saying "buff cultist"
agile cloud
Cultist was already buffed
ashen warren
Cultist is fine tbh since it's essentially the profaned guardians.
It's not meant to be stupid hard.
Ngl I preferred ozza's brothers rework a while back, however I do think brothers need a rework as they do next to nothing before dying.
heady ore
nerf the loot from desert scourge
fervent zealot
why?
ashen warren
^
The loot is garbage for most classes, storm spray and barinade are the exceptions.
frail mantle
Seabound Staff is still neato for perfs and Hive Mind afaik
ashen warren
It gets caught on blocks way too easily.
Slime staff is a lot more reliable as such.
Or maybe the new sunken sea summon but I have not used it.
alpine garnet
I think it's kinda intended that cultist is easy
fragment weapons before hm is technically possible, but it's skipping progression and skipping progression always makes previous stuff easier
unique vector
@proud isle what are you even suggesting
pale bluff
I was planning on requesting a Miitopia Reference in Calamity but no one knows about Miitopia
ashen warren
a whole 2 more DPS
O h y e s
arctic wren
I like the idea, fits with the original buff of the item
Though it seems like it might be a bit stronger compared to the other buff stations? idk
ashen warren
Duke has a theme already, and it's for the texture pack.
pale bluff
ah
sleek wadi
The extra slot from bewitching table can easily provide more DPS that 5% dr reduction
frail mantle
it's not exactly for the texture pack, it's a separate mod
terse sundial
ashen warren
It's a wavebank that will be in conjunction.
arctic wren
True, though it depends on the minion
ashen warren
Not a mod iirc.
arctic wren
Oh? where can I get this
frail mantle
mod browser
ashen warren
sigh
hollow shell
@pale bluff We won't have copyright music or remix of copyrighted music in the mod
reef escarp
yes new music mod
hollow shell
Also don't be greedy >:(
Extra Music Mod already exists
pale bluff
ah
hollow shell
Time for late af responses
@regal root The Brimstone Monster orbs have the same pixel resolution as any other sprite. Could you elaborate on what you mean by making them look "more pixel-y"?
@summer egret You're gonna need to be a lot more detailed on that DoG Worm Scarf suggestion. Give it a name, say how to obtain it, say what it'd do, etc etc
delicate raft
Haha Lunatic Cultist is weak
reef escarp
@gusty geode is LC easy even in Death/?
heady ore
the reason why i wanted to nerf loot from desert scourge is becuase you can get the best fishing set and then fly through hardmode
gusty geode
So I'm told, yes
I never had the courage to try for myself
ashen warren
lo
BoC illusions
That's fully lazy ngl.
Also @reef escarp yes LC is quite easy in death, I've only died to him once ever and that was on summoner.
cyan lagoon
@rose sage no
rose sage
alright
frail mantle
what was it
rose sage
it was just a joke, i got rid of it
ashen warren
- No joke suggestions, this includes asking for roles and suggestions like "No rules".
proven tide
@ashen warren No meme suggestions, nor boss suggestions
radiant meadow
@ashen warren no boss suggestions
ashen warren
In the hecking pins.
proven tide
I am minimod voltron
rose sage
i forgot to check the pins, brb
alright i checked them and i wanted to apologize because i forgot to read the pins when i joined
although i do think it would be neat to have more food items in the game to increase stats
proven tide
food mod
rose sage
is that a thing?
cyan lagoon
yes but it's outta date
proven tide
Me: *fires Eidolon Staff at dummies
Game:
Game:
Game:
Game:
Game:
Me: fuck
ashen warren
That sorta the purpose of the eidolon staff.
Much like the shredder.
Why should calamity have food, bluex?
rose sage
just to add a bit of variety i guess, idk it was just a dumb idea i had
rose sage
what if there was a birthday cake that when you click it it just says “happy birthday”
cold terrace
@west prairie missed opportunity to call it a “cataclynger”
reef mountain
You might want to add some base damage to that nerfed eidolon staff.
west prairie
Fixed :)
cold terrace
:>
ashen warren
What a garbage weapon for when you get it, there are like 0 ground touching bosses post-ml.
reef mountain
Err, bumblebirb?
untold gulch
i'm confused on how people spell rogue wrong
reef mountain
Birb is pre-polters now.
rose sage
birb
reef mountain
Pre-sentinels, even
ashen warren
That's sequence-breaking.
rose sage
i havent even fought the guardians, i died fast
untold gulch
i've never heard of a "rouge" class before
what's it like
rose sage
throwing stuff
ashen warren
Throw makeup at enemies.
reef mountain
Well, there is the rouge slash
untold gulch
you guys didn't get the joke but ok
west prairie
wow birb really did get a nerf
rose sage
i just got the joke
ashen warren
They give the unique debuff "blushed" which makes enemies fight for you.
Stylist sells the first armor. 
rose sage
gotta beat the whole game just to get it im guessing?
rose sage
when did the cake come back?
ashen warren
"gotta beat the whole game just to get it"
What's "it"?
untold gulch
"it" was my joke
rose sage
oh ya
reef mountain
Strange that absolutely nobody commented on my suggestion dispite it being absurdly long.
reef mountain
Thank you.
ashen warren
">projectile melee users suffer a lack of anything to use post-sentinels
Polterghast drops a hook so powerful you can cheese the entirety of DoG."
rose sage
although ya the cake added at the end of the game would be neat, like as a congratulation
also i didnt even see the suggestion, sorry
reef mountain
It’s purpose is to beat polterghast.
That weapons’
Currently polterghast is god darn near impossible for melee.
ashen warren
I personally think the facetanking strat is partially intended, it wouldn't be possible if tarragon melee didn't halve contact damage.
sleek wadi
Polterghast is hella easy for melee, just takes 18 years.
reef mountain
Err.
rose sage
im not looking forward to that
ashen warren
Nvm, it was buffed.
"This reduces contact damage by approximately 75%."
sleek wadi
Melee gets high enough defense that they can just ignore projectiles, so the only threat in that fight is polter sneaking up on you somehow.
untold gulch
polter is quite easy with yoyos actually
ashen warren
defense
Uh, do you play rev?
sleek wadi
Polterghast only ever kills me if I get nommed. Never has a projectile gotten me down to even half health.
reef mountain
There are some who enjoy fighting bosses the slow and more normal way, in fact.
sleek wadi
I don't even use the Tarragon regen which would make him even more of a joke
reef mountain
Facetank is viable, but I don’t think it was intended
ashen warren
107.5 damage for darts with solely defense.
No DR factored.
Wow.
75.25ish if you reach DR cap.
That's like, less than 10% of your healthbar.
reef mountain
So you’re SUPPOSED to use the easy way out?
ashen warren
Increases to about 100 damage max at the end.
Talking about projectiles.
Not facetank.
sleek wadi
Circle strats will both dodge polter and his darts. So both ways are pretty viable.
Makes me think Polterghast was designed around Holy Collider.
reef mountain
Which two ways?
sleek wadi
Facetank and actually trying.
ashen warren
He takes a while but if you don't like facetanking (understandable) but is otherwise kinda easy.
reef mountain
Actually trying, as in using what?
sleek wadi
For melee? Tyrant's Ultisword works decently.
ashen warren
Oh right, that weapon is actually really good.
untold gulch
verdant or lacerator works wonders on polter
round falcon
alternatively just refuse to play the game and facetank
ashen warren
A yoyo user.
round falcon
though dont listen to me, im bad lol
untold gulch
or just refuse to play the game entirely
round falcon
or skip polterboy
ashen warren
Or even just, don't exist.
reef mountain
Skip polterghast makes the game impossible for melee.
round falcon
wait really?
round falcon
melee sucks imo so i never pay attention to it
ashen warren
You don't need to get a new extremely strong weapon every tier.
Melee is the best scal class doggo.
untold gulch
kill dog with that and get obliterator and kill everything else with that
ashen warren
Chips, it's lacerator.
ashen warren
It was also changed, basically nerfed.
reef mountain
I still don’t see what harm would a decent projectile sword other than tyrant’s ultisword could do.
ashen warren
The thing is you already have 2.
untold gulch
wait when was the nerf?
ashen warren
This update.
reef mountain
‘You already have 2’ which one is the other weapon?
untold gulch
imma try it out again to see if it's still viable for dog
reef mountain
Relying on weapons 3 bosses back isn’t the best strategy.
random tide
theyre good weaps though
ashen warren
They are really strong though?
untold gulch
yes but imma still try it