Use shrooms
#suggestions-discussion
sinful violet
hollow shell
sinful violet
Better than stress
rover is it just me being on mobile or does that just link you to announcements
frank flower
I recall Stress being a bit different to that though
ashen warren
how about an acessory that works like the sirens heart
It links to scal with shroom
hollow shell
It's supposed to go to the SCal shroom image
frank flower
it's like that mod is a clearer version of it
ashen warren
like a biomechanical suit
hollow shell
The only difference would maybe be the Moon Lord shaky vision
ashen warren
it would upgrade as you progress
hollow shell
Screenshot coulda just gotten taken on a lucky frame
considering it fades in and out
ashen warren
you would need the same stuff that you would need for the mechanical minecart
frank flower
No I've seen the mod before
ashen warren
ML shaky vision is sickening, why would you want it?
sinful violet
That adds stress visual mechanics back?
frank flower
^ Yes
sinful violet
frank flower
it was the old version of calamity, I think that'd be pretty hard to get working with the current version of calamity
hollow shell
... I see.
Strange way of phrasing that. It sounded like you were already talking about a different mod
frank flower
the mushroom mod doesn't do the full effect just the illusions of enemies
sinful violet
And more
hollow shell
okay now I'm confused so I'll just
sinful violet
If you like rainbows anyhow
frank flower
new mod = not the same thing
old calamity = thing
new calamity = doesn't have thing
ashen warren
it's nOT A NEW MOD
ashen warren
My brain hurts trying to follow that weird train of thought.
hollow shell
Lord almighty, so many suggestions in the past hour or two
ashen warren
And they're all bad 
hollow shell
no bulli
frosty kindle
some suggestions were p good
ashen warren
Some
one
hollow shell
Yeah it's a shame Brimcrux is getting buried
I'd like to see its concept used.
(admittedly it could be formatted better)
ashen warren
How do you get it?
hollow shell
Hm?
ashen warren
Brimcrux, not a drop or a recipe.
hollow shell
"Dropped by Sepulcher at a 20% chance."
second sentence
ashen warren
Had to ctrl + r to see it.
hollow shell
Also @ashen warren what's the reason for that suggestion?
The bio-mech suit one
ashen warren
put it in
hollow shell
Okay fair enough
mystic glade
ashen warren
I wish people would at least format smh.
hollow shell
Yeah it is a bit run-on, lol
ashen warren
lets fix that then
pale bluff
remembered when I made a Cube Kirby Pet request?
proven tide
h O LY SHIT
sinful violet
You don’t need to provide stats and big details
proven tide
#changelogs hNGHEH
sinful violet
You alright
ashen warren
better
proven tide
ashen warren
is it too big
proven tide
I made a doc requesting zoom mechanics for various weapons a while ago
got like
eight stars 
hollow shell
Yes, Bumble.
ashen warren
I love what drh suggested. 
hollow shell
You don't need the double-enters, just singles work fine
sinful violet
Oh
hollow shell
Nice thank you
ashen warren
fixed
ashen warren
is there anything that could make it better
hollow shell
Nice
proven tide
now that it has 100 rename it
pale bluff
what's the suggestion?
proven tide
holy fuck in the last three days there's been twenty suggestions with 65+ stars and one on 64
Out of these, half a dozen or so reached 100
methinks star cap needs increasing again
ashen warren
Star cap raised to infinite.
proven tide
43% of suggestions in the last three days have been s—
holy fuck
all we need to do is tap into the chippy fanbase a bit more and we're good to go
ashen warren
Calamity main doesn't have the hellyes emote, this is heresy and must be remedied.
vestal elbow
hollow shell
works
charred gate
Honestly tho I really like the Brimcrux
summer egret
the world
proven tide
what
summer egret
it was a genuine suggestion but im tired
lost agate
thats potential mute mah dude
tulip fulcrum
I have a suggestion about the EoC, wanna know what you think.
Make it so that EoC can drop crimson loot too, despite that your world is corruption, and vice versa
Reason: considering that you'd need both evils in your world, it makes sense to have EoC drop both kinds of loot then get simply corruption loot because your world is corruption, also cause my world generated improperly to where the evil island was gone and the only thing left of it was the chest, so yeah
ashen warren
Actually nvm, the stuff you craft with just crimtane/demonite is trash.
tulip fulcrum
How trash actually?
tulip fulcrum
Huh
tulip fulcrum
Lol
Although now that I think of it, having it drop that amount of ore would mean plenty of money, soooo
How much would you get exactly with that estimated amount of ore?
ashen warren
Do note that armakilling king slime twice nets you a similar amount of gold.
And uh, everyone knows how easy he is.
tulip fulcrum
Ah, that is true
ashen warren
Suggestion seems fine tbh.
tulip fulcrum
Cool
ashen warren
Back to my rogue playthrough.
tulip fulcrum
Lmao
proven tide
you mean :
sleek wadi
Half the amount of crimtane you get as compensation. Otherwise that is twice the gold for anyone who doesn't need the bars.
ashen warren
Also, suggestions got something again.
I crafted crystalline and ||it has material in the tooltip, exite.||
ashen warren
Not just prismalline, there are others. However I was actually referencing the fact that it was a really common suggestion and not a specific suggestion.
Similar to ExOgUn and supreme entropy's vigil.
radiant meadow
I mean
crystalline always had material in its tooltip 
it's been a celestus component for like a very long while
ashen warren
It never appeared for me until this updoot.
fossil torrent
Heart Attack is a debuff though, you can't cancel it
faint rivet
He just wants the sprite changed to look like a buff
ancient dragon
Or just give it a more unique icon instead due to its unique properties?
fossil torrent
Vick why would it look like a buff if it's a debuff, even if it has positive effects
But yes I agree the sprite should be changed to something unique, that's not using the default buff/debuff background
Maybe like, a black background?
faint rivet
Certainly something unique would be nice, I mean Fab's Vodka has the usual blue background of a buff even though it can't be cancelled
fossil torrent
That's strange, though it's probably just to fit with all the other alcohols
That also has downsides though but that's beside the point
fossil torrent
Oh fuck
worthy fiber
Aren't they purple?
low remnant
^?
I thought they were, maybe I've been looking at *older sprites or I'm colourblind
fossil torrent
Oh yeah they are
proven tide
delet
ashen warren
urself
fossil torrent
please
faint rivet
ashen warren
Good suggestion, fab vodka icon should be purple.
fossil torrent
Yeah this doesn't really make sense 
also wtf, it says Everclear is from Fabsol's Vodka
Fixing that
faint rivet
worthy fiber
ashen warren
So is grape beer.
faint rivet
Ye and that doesn't look good imo
fossil torrent
Well it'd probably look better than it standing out like this
sleek wigeon
@chrome badger waaayyy too cheap of a recipe, considering how rare nymph is
crafting recipes for rare items should only be craftable when the item is not relevent anymore except for crafting recipes.
vestal elbow
20 of each P-HM bar type
Including both variants 
fossil torrent
"worm summons need better ai"
delicate vector
That suggestion is really useful
mental path
Which one?
mental path
I think mine is really needed
ashen warren
lacking in terms of Survivability
You can literally devote 100% of your attention to dodging.
Worm summons can't be fixed afaik unless vanilla fixes their jank code.
Variety makes sense, rogue is in a similar spot.
mental path
Don't they use the same AI as the stardust dragon?
ashen warren
Yep
tired haven
They do
Also saying you can fully concentrate on dodging is blatant lie because summons that way 90% of time do nothing
tired haven
Scal has 2 of 3 smart minions
ashen warren
Funnily enough I rarely need to RoD on scal.
tired haven
And even then, if you want mechworm dmg on scal, you have to fly much slower around
ashen warren
Afaik you use nuggets for post-ds yharon because range of summons.
ashen warren
Worm is scal only basically.. sorta.
tired haven
And p1 yharon, shamely
fossil torrent
”I don’t need to rod” doesn’t work if you get.. hit
ashen warren
Scal is mostly a nohit.
fossil torrent
Well you can SURVIVE without rodding, buuut
ashen warren
She hits like a truck and you have no lifesteal as summoner.
fossil torrent
You can still take 3 hits and then heal with pots in Death
This is going offtopic, though
ashen warren
The only time I had issues with needing to command minions to attack as it were is when dreadmine staff was strong, duke because nados and occasionally worm bosses.
lost agate
Oh summoner on scal
Yeah gotta love when mechworms goes to another dimension or circles around scal
Also gotta love how you cant control your dps
And the fact it needs more preparation beforehand
lost agate
Well now your punishment is dealing with AI
tired haven
That also works
lost agate
I mean, i may have used summon but it still took me 2 months and 3k attempts to beat her, that should mean something dontcha think
ashen warren
haaaaaah
yes let's ignore the movement required to correct summons as well as having good positioning during bullet hells to avoid damage and keep worm in check for it to actually attack quickly enough after the bullet hell ends.
lost agate
^that is all true
civic rampart
Just download summoner's association tbh
lost agate
...why
ashen warren
Movement in general is quite frankly, not that hard. And worm is never going to listen to you as it follows baphomets orders above yours.
mental path
is summoner's association banned from nohit?
ashen warren
Prolly, it allows you to teleport minions iirc.
tired haven
Any mod that isn't calamity basically is
Apart from pure QoL not affecting fights
delicate vector
The great thing I like about summoner's association is the ability to see your slots
delicate vector
And I'm in the wrong channel, sorry
civic rampart
You only have up down left right to go, how hard can it be
lost agate
Guess that what you get from just seeing and not trying yourself
ashen warren
the minion control rod is banned, the summoner's association card is not, and uh yeah by talking about movement like that you've just shown your ignorance regarding this so uh ye i'm outta this convo
Micro-adjusting for summons, if you do care about dps has never been what killed me.
civic rampart
Will try summoner next scal fight, which will probably be in 30 days
lost agate
I just gotta fucking love how you simplify the entire 2 fucking months of my life in "its so easy just move and dodge"
Its truly fucking amazing
fossil torrent
tired haven
Ha just press WASD dude
ashen warren
Dodging is the hard part.
quiet abyss
Calm down, shucks.
lost agate
And this is offtopic
ashen warren
God tier suggestion
ashen warren
Should the amount of ores underground be boosted to compensate for the armors weakness?
I mean worldgen ones, not hm altar ores
mental path
there's a mod called "plentiful ores" and it boosts the amount of ores by lots
frail mantle
"there's a mod that does that" isn't a good counter-argument 
mental path
Good point
but what im saying is that the suggestion is already added by another mod that does only that
hasty wigeon
Doesn't mean it's no problem to just throw it in
If you want it, use said mod
The dev team has other things to work on
/shrug
calm onyx
Joke suggests? Now that's pretty smelly.
young fog
ashen warren
why are suggestions bad lately
eager palm
@timber field warned for meme suggestion 
frail mantle
pensibve
fervent zealot
.
i didn't even see his suggestion and i don't think i want to see it
frail mantle
it's still there
ashen warren
"Add sans undertable"
mental path
well too bad now you see it
sinful violet
fervent zealot
why are people like this
west prairie
@timber field never do that again
timber field
ok
fossil torrent
imagine backstory
dense girder
sans was born to mr and mrs asgore...
hybrid ocean
actually add sans uberdale
dense girder
sand riverdale
frail mantle
imagine being a dead meme
hybrid ocean
young fog
sands dollartale
sinful violet
no thank you
gaunt karma
@prisma island summoner has plenty of survivability, if you're trying to face tank as a summoner you're playing it wrong
you can take plenty of hits from any boss, you even get a dodge in one of your not mandatory but highly recommended accessories if you're not into losing a slot to scarf or shield
prisma island
ive actually managed to fix my
was my accessories
that were pretty sub par
spent all day getting them lmfao
gaunt karma
what boss are you on?
prisma island
just killed Yharon
gaunt karma
ah
prisma island
got lucky tho if im honest
gaunt karma
oof
novel pebble
But DS and AS are different beings, No?
ruby cobalt
Originally same species.
novel pebble
||Sunken Seas||
dense girder
i'm sorry, what?
distant gyro
||So wet that water puddles are everywhere. Also sunken seas||
novel pebble
||New Biome||
dense girder
wiki time
lost agate
The wiki page was already made
dense girder
Except, you know
dense girder
shouldn't wiki editors be told this stuff beforehand so they can make the pages and roll them out when the update comes out
that'd be much more efficient
spiral olive
The head wiki guys are already devs so they probably have stuff ready before the patch drops
Sunken sea’s page was up within like an hour after the patch dropped
chrome holly
I was thinking about something
Am I the only one who thinks it's weird to be able to get the "boss armor" of desert scourge before you fight it?
lost agate
Ofc the wiki pages arent gonna be done the next day, doesnt matter if they know everything already
chrome holly
So I'm suggesting this: cnidrions do not drop victory shards anymore, they are now exclusive to bosses. You do not however need them anymore to craft the bars, but if you want to craft the armor you need them
languid dome
what would anyone think of a firearm that can also be used as a melee weapon?
west prairie
i have a crazy idea to make the dark sun ring really good yet still situational
what if it gradually boosted your stats up to a high level while you were under 15% hp and lost that buff at over 80%
"Flying too close to the dark sun"
and at max buff would do something
dusty stirrup
AS is a mutant DS, so it wouldn't really make much sense
lost agate
AS isnt an un dryed DS
AS is literally dying
dusty stirrup
ofc not
dusty stirrup
mhm
west prairie
anyone got suggestions for what im puttin out here
distant gyro
something cool
plucky skiff
||Where is the wet world located ?||
bitter sentinel
I like that idea
hollow shell
||Underneath the Underground Desert|| @plucky skiff
novel pebble
5 Broken Hero Blades
bitter sentinel
Ik
hollow shell
What is the reasoning for this weapon existing
bitter sentinel
Cause
novel pebble
And you can’t pick stats, It’s for devs to decide
bitter sentinel
It came over my mind
hollow shell
That's not a reason.
dense girder
Hero, that's wrong
novel pebble
You have to get a good reasoning
dense girder
You can choose stats, devs are free to change them at any time
Adding stats your suggestion is suggesting your own idea of balanced stats but most people will clown on you if you do so lol
ruby cobalt
People will clown you because you're a clown that has no idea how giving things stats works.
hollow shell
(also do you mean Breaker Blade, when you say Buster Blade?)
hollow shell
That is also a terrible reason
bitter sentinel
. . .
dense girder
Don't suggest just for the sake of suggesting
Suggest because you have an idea that will benefit the mod and a large group of people
novel pebble
You’re not supposed to kill Dungeon Guardian
bitter sentinel
But you can
frosty kindle
...unless you're very end-game
alpine garnet
you want dungeon guardian kill go make a p90
frosty kindle
that too
bitter sentinel
And I like the bone key
alpine garnet
either one works 🤷
novel pebble
Still not a proper reasoning
ruby cobalt
sord of sans xddd
bitter sentinel
Megalovina intensities
dense girder
lovina
bitter sentinel
Im a big fan of UT
gaunt karma
delete this
dense girder
No you're missing the worst part
gaunt karma
thats a lot of damn damage
gaunt karma
like jesus christ
dense girder
It literally can't be fucking stopped
ruby cobalt
350 damage, 50+ damage projectiles, infinite pierce, homing, fucking plant-tier
gaunt karma
lets just
ruby cobalt
Actually, you fucking know what.
gaunt karma
pretend storm weaver and devourer of gods don't exist
dense girder
🇫
gaunt karma
even without them, it's still batshit crazy strong
storm weaver is pretty easy
devourer sorry
dense girder
Your embarrassment is forever immortalized
distant gyro
lol
sleek furnace
seeing he doesnt have 100% damage reduction on his armored segments anymore, that would tear him apart and could probably hit the projectile limit making the fight even easier
gaunt karma
like devourer would die in maybe 5 attacks lmao
bitter sentinel
@dense girder you little
gaunt karma
even against other post moon bosses its crazy strong, completely ignoring armor is powerful enough, then you add in homing and infinite pierce
dense girder
also you got warned for that apparently
ruby cobalt
Alrighty then.
fossil torrent
lol ok
bitter sentinel
Bbbbyyyyeeee
novel pebble
Bye
dense girder
Bbbbbanned
lost agate
And ban time
fossil torrent
the best time
gaunt karma
yeah, its powerful as heck
fossil torrent
when it's not on me
dense girder
that's understating it light
infinite pierce, homing, it'd never dissipate ever
not until it hits a block
in that case you could spam it in the SCal fight, they'd wipe out the hearts and then probably Sepulcher and SCal herself too
Renders summoner completely unviable
ashen warren
Sepulchre would melt even if there was a Brimstone heart out
dense girder
pierces even the hardest of things, such as ein's stone ocean cold heart
ashen warren
Pierces the user
frosty kindle
come on and slam, and welcome to the ban!
dense girder
NiCe MiNgImOs!!!! XD yeah let's go
lost agate
@hard crescent evil island is always there
dense girder
^ you have the evil island for a reason
hard crescent
sometimes they are janked
dense girder
then suggest fixing the evil islands 
hard crescent
i assumed that adding a backup option to craft stuff would be easier than "fix island lol"
especially since its dependant on how the world generates
lost agate
Wdym janked?
gaunt karma
sometimes people can't find the island in their generation and assume it doesn't spawn, and i would assume sometimes it doesn't spawn as world gen isn't perfect
world gen has given me empty oceans (before i even played modded) so it's uh
definetely not perfect
dense girder
imksushi is pretty much a must-have mod no matter what
agile cloud
dowload it
lost agate
Couldnt you have damned pinged me in that chat?
agile cloud
oh yeah, right
I havent had a coffee yet today
cant think
Also calamity lets you chage bars iirc
gaunt karma
99% sure it doesn't
lost agate
Uh no afaik
delicate raft
biome spawners are not happening
hollow shell
Was that stated anywhere?
@prisma geyser Should specify that you mean Calamity ores, because fishing crates do currently contain vanilla ores
delicate raft
Me or Blackouts?
hollow shell
You
delicate raft
ah
prisma geyser
yes, calamity ores
hollow shell
(I mean, edit your suggestion to say that)
delicate raft
Welp, no 
hollow shell
ech not the best edit Cheesburglar but
It works I guess
plucky skiff
16 more votes and we will ||hopefully|| get more info about the abyss ~~ Absolutly not a shameless plug ~~
sleek wigeon
on the wiki
no
Unless it appears ingame or other offical sources, it aint going on the wiki
i can promise you that
plucky skiff
Its a suggestion after all
sleek wigeon
And im saying that it will never happen as long as i live
reef escarp
hmmm
hollow shell
just replace "wiki" with "forum post"
because that's where the wiki gets its lore from
reef escarp
i might suggest a new minecart DoG cart of doom Drops parts from the 3 pre-DoG bosses
dumb right?
ashen warren
Now that Essence of Cinder is Essence of Sunlight, shouldn't Essence of Eleum be renamed to something like Essence of Frost instead of being obfuscated behind the name of a location in Dark Souls?
somber saffron
Snowstorm cannon a good idea or?
hollow shell
@round kraken ... "Gem Ring"?
ashen warren
Doesn't sound calamity ech
round kraken
hold on
ashen warren
Imagine making a suggestion with 0 preparation
round kraken
💦
arctic wren
Make Silva Armour require a small amount of Tenebris or Planty Mush to craft
Tarragon, Bloodflare, and God Slayer armour all require something thematically fitting to the source of the armour to craft (Divine Geodes for Tarragon, Ruinous Souls for Bloodflare, and Cosmilite for God Slayer) but Silva armour doesn't have anything related to Silva herself at all, and making armour related to her out of a bunch of unrelated boss drops and some lead doesn't really make sense when you think about it.
While this would be a minor change I think it would make the recipe make a bit more sense in the context of the lore (Silva being dropped into the Abyss is what caused Planty Mush and Tenebris to grow in the Abyss) while not making Silva any harder to actually craft.
Probably only 1-3 each per piece
round kraken
speaking of fucked up, m8 post this in the channel above
arctic wren
I'm posting it here to see what people think
if no one likes the idea I'll just drop it
it's what I always do with suggestions
round kraken
🦀 SUGGESTION IS GONE 🦀
hollow shell
There's a new lore
ashen warren
I have not read the abyss lore but if that's how that stuff happened then that sounds fine.
hollow shell
arctic wren
Silva was a nature goddess nearly killed by Calamitas then tossed into the abyss
round kraken
fuck me im going back to making cancer trees
hollow shell
"However, her influence as a powerful Dryad continues to be apparent, as her very presence allows plant life to grow in the abyss, where not even a trace of light can breach the darkness."
the line of note.
fervent sky
Ayy my Brimcrux Scepter suggestion is at 90 stars
ashen warren
It's a neat idea
fervent sky
Thancc
arctic wren
They are somewhat naturey but not actually related to Silva at all
something like "Yharon armour" would be more fitting in that case.
ashen warren
Is lumenyl a plant?
arctic wren
Anyway I'l lpost it, then.
sleek wigeon
Well i mean abyss stuff is used in other stuff
ashen warren
"Silva herself drew from the collective life force of every plant in Terraria during the fabrication of the armor."
When are we getting literally every plant in recipe?
arctic wren
ashen warren
Lumenyl is a crystal, timer.
Add essence of flora and make it drop from post ML jungle enemies
arctic wren
Why do that when we already have plants that are literally growing from Silva's influence in the abyss?
Also yeah the jungle also has a huge amount of stuff
ashen warren
Jesus fuck, we need the ability to save Silva because now I'm sad.
arctic wren
It'd be cool if she was there at the bottom of the abyss and you could revive her with living shards or auric ore ('godly essence') or something
ashen warren
Maybe using the literal shards of a godly soul.
sleek wigeon
I dont know
arctic wren
though there are already a lot of town npcs 🤔
sleek wigeon
the fact that you can save literallyt everyone calamitas and yharim have supposedly murdered to death
seems a bit cheap
ashen warren
its calamitale now
arctic wren
admittedly being able to free the archmage makes some sense given he was trapped inside
ashen warren
Silva ain't dead, that's the point.
arctic wren
I'm more surprised he's still sane than anything else
ashen warren
He's cool
arctic wren
sleek wigeon
Yeah but at this point, why does yharim even send calamitas to murder people if we can just save them or fight them later?
ashen warren
I mean, I don't exactly want Daedalus back.
Honestly most of the npcs I don't care about.
^
sleek wigeon
She vaporized a goddamn sea. cant she just like do the same for the abyss?
arctic wren
probably
ashen warren
Archmage coming back makes sense, the rest mostly don't make sense.
Hard to do that when the eidolon worms exist ijones
sleek wigeon
vaporized a sea
ashen warren
Multiple Wyrms
arctic wren
I'd say silva coming back makes pretty decent logical sense
sleek wigeon
i feel like you are severally underestimating the amount of power it takes to turn a sea into a desert.
ashen warren
If she vaped the abyss then Silva could rise again.
arctic wren
take her away from the ocean vents keeping her comatose and she'd grow in strength over time
ashen warren
And you the amount of power a horde of Eidolon wyrms have
arctic wren
but how would that work
I mean we already have the dryad
sleek wigeon
Theres a reason scals the final boss and not an eidolon wyrm
ashen warren
Scal is lore-wise not the final boss.
sleek wigeon
Gameplay wise she is currently
arctic wren
eidolon wyrms are probably not nearly as strong lore-wise as they are in-game I imagine
ashen warren
They are powerful enough for people to want to mutate into them.
arctic wren
they're cultists
they don't need to be logical
sleek wigeon
alot of things are powerful to want to mutate into
arctic wren
and there's a difference between strong enough to want to mutate into and strong enough to vaporize oceans
ashen warren
Thing is, she didn't vaporize the entire ocean either.
Do you not know how much energy that is?
sleek wigeon
The sea, technically.
ashen warren
She turned an entire ocean to sand.
arctic wren
Water is the heatsink to end all heatsinks...
ashen warren
That's energy that could easily destroy a planet.
Easily
That's stronger than even the tsar bomba
Yeah
arctic wren
I wouldn't go that far (though enough to glass the surface if more spread out yes)
ashen warren
And we know nuclear bombs can blow up earth.
sleek wigeon
Nuclear bomb singular cannot blow up the earth
arctic wren
I think we have different standards for blowing up earth
lol
I'm talking about blowing the entire planet into pieces
ashen warren
"nuclear bombs"
sleek wigeon
turn it into a wastleland yes. seperate it into seperate peices
Even a fuckton of nuclear bombs would be hard pressed to "blow up" the earth
ashen warren
Scal has the energy equivalent of thousands of nukes.
"Into pieces" depends on your definition.
She could definitely separate tectonic plates.
arctic wren
anyway back on topic to the thing
... Silva seems so powerful, though. What would she give? post-scal stuff? post-yharon? idk
bold spruce
I feel she would come out after SCal
arctic wren
Is there even room for another town npc in the mod
And you're right that it kind of cheapens it if you can save everyone
ashen warren
Silva would probably be the gateway to draedon.
arctic wren
It'd be dumb if she just popped out of nowhere, though. Make it so that you actually need to go out of your way to the bottom of the abyss to get her if this would ever be added.
ashen warren
The abyss floor is not nowhere the last time I checked
bold spruce
I say post-SCal since Calamitas was the one that caused her to get stuck there
sleek wigeon
Thorium has about a million npcs
so yeah, calamity could def have more, from a technical asepct
arctic wren
It's more of if it actually needs more ijones
pliant bone
Calamity has only added like 2-3 npcs I think?
sleek wigeon
3
ashen warren
And two of the calnpcs lose their usefulness, so more is conceivable
sleek wigeon
all with very fun names in the source code
arctic wren
I feel like Thorium adds a bit too many relatively pointless npcs personally
sleek wigeon
thats fair
ashen warren
Vanilla has an npc for nanites ffs
pliant bone
Hey, Cirrus doesn't really lose usefulness
bold spruce
Yeah
arctic wren
not saying vanilla is totally innocent either
ashen warren
Don't tell me that you use the absolute zero outside of hardmode
pliant bone
What no
ashen warren
Cirrus is the booze vendor, timer.
I know
You're thinking of archmage.
Yep, that and the Sea king
sleek wigeon
I mean all npcs lose their usefullness over time
merchant becomes useless once you buy a piggy bank
guide becomes useless once you know the recipes
sleek wigeon
bomb merchant becomes useless as you gain pickaxes that remove the crust from the earth
Party girl was never useful to begin with
ashen warren
Party girl is weird
ashen warren
In that case, instead of adding silva or smth, why not give the old npcs more stock?
Technically speaking saving Silva could just replace the current dryad without doing anything else if you go the party girl route.
sleek wigeon
If shes planned, theres nothing a suggestion will do to change that
if shes not planned, theres nothing a suggestion will do to change that either
ashen warren
You can't make npcs permanently useful without making them potion merchants, timer.
sleek wigeon
i think was the point
arctic wren
Yeah that's more what I was thinking
Town NPCs don't seem like the easiest things to make tbh
pliant bone
or a special case, the nurse.
ashen warren
Permanently what? I meant more like how certain stock can be bought post boss death
pliant bone
Dryad to an extent
arctic wren
... or in the case of alchemistnpc you have the operator as another example of special case
sleek wigeon
Shes ok for healing to full after death
ashen warren
I replaced mine with a heart statue
Saving Silva doesn't even need to be an npc, it could be an accessory like "Silva's soul" that'd act kinda like community in that it gains stats as you wear it.
Or another waifu summon
Since she lost physical form after calamitas smote her.
Silva waifu isn't possible since no waifus.
Sadly.
Ouch
I do like the idea for that about a scaling summon. Y'know, silva gaining her powers back
sleek wigeon
the word waifu was purged from the mod
except for the source files
waifus are still waifus in source
ashen warren
Why?
ashen warren
I just checked suggestions and saw "Nerf Marnite Obliterator"
Because you are an active member of the community
He ain't fabsol.
Wait whut?
ashen warren
disgusting
You're cooler than fab don't worry.
Really though, does marnite even deserve a nerf/buff?
It's fine where it is, in obscurity.
It's a drill with pathetic attack range, the fucking spear is better.
arctic wren
rip waifus
ashen warren
Fun fact: Marnite spear still has a massive hitbox.
arctic wren
people are never gonna stop calling them waifus though
lol
ashen warren
I feel as if Marnite was made for the people like me who still go underground rather than wulfrum hunting.
Wulfrum pick is the only thing I have the patience to farm for.
arctic wren
I tend to just pick up wulfrum stuff while faffing around on the surface during the day
ashen warren
I take the helmet for summon runs, the rest is an added bonus.
I beeline planetoids for a gem hook/crystalline and butcher cnidrions.
I wonder if the marnite should drop the gold/plat and have something more common for it's tier.
Planetoids make getting lots of plat really easy though?
Access cost for planetoids is just rope.
There isn't a granite/marble planetoid for that purpose.
That would be a neat concept, but the grelementals and hoplites bullshitting me to an early death is a big nono.
Ah, those are harder to find that's true.
Also medusa in hardmode while flying 
Yeah lets not do that.
That's a solid nope
ashen warren
Scal now spawns medusas with infinite range and 10mil health.
arctic wren
ahaha
ashen warren
How about adding the pocket mirror to the Asgardian aegis and making the former more common.
They don't count as normal enemies for the purpose of stuff like elemental gauntlet.
Pocket mirror would need a recipe.
However petrify resistance would be amazing ngl.
If only more enemies used it.
hah, right
Golem should tbh, suddenly he's actually a threat.
Maybe he also has weak petrification and his lasers petrify you if you are in the air for too long
Outside of temple anyway, he's actually quite annoying inside.
^
Wait, you can't move the spawner anymore, no?
arctic wren
actuators
ashen warren
He enrages out of the temple, implying that it's not intended to fight golem outside.
arctic wren
the enrage doesn't exactly do much
ashen warren
Last time I checked he took like no damage.
ashen warren
Not quite DG of course, more like FF DoG body.
arctic wren
just tested it and nope
most definitely does not have huge damage resistance outside of the temple
ashen warren
Maybe I had a mod that buffed golem then.
I honestly wouldn't mind if Golem self destructed outside of a temple seeing that it janks the bossfight if you fight him anywhere else.
sleek wigeon
It also janks the bossfight if you get a bad temple spawn
you should have a way to circumvent bad temple spawns
ashen warren
Make them the exact same structure
Really tho, the main arena should remain the same imo as to prevent weird stuff
quiet abyss
The vanilla devs prolly tries to make his fight slightly different each time by making his main fighting room random.
...And they admittedly didn't execute it well.
ashen warren
Ends up with a fight in a broom closet
Truly epic
If calamity added anything more to golem, i'd bet it'd be an AI change when not around enough blocks to make a more interesting battle
Changing golem room gen to something like the bat boss from thorium would be nice.
ashen warren
Uh, confused zombie sells an item that points directly at it.
untold gulch
i bet you thought fight is actually find
hollow shell
@pale bluff Please rephrase your suggestion for the 98% of people here who have never played or perhaps even heard of Trove
Most of that suggestion is
nonsense
sleek wigeon
Why should there be a reference to trove, exactly?
quick dove
but y tho
glad thunder
I feel like aquatic scourge should drop a version of the scourge of the desert, and that scourge of the desert shouldn’t be revengance exclusive, but should be nerfed a little. I can’t be bothered to fabricate a suggestion, so that’s why I’m posting this here.
sinful violet
can we not give AS a unique drop 
glad thunder
Well, it wouldn’t be unique, it would just add a weapon for thrower that drops from the aquatic scourge. All the other items got upgraded, but thrower / rogue got left in the dust
ashen warren
Suggested already
fossil torrent
like ten times
frail mantle
even by me, with a bad™ sprite™
ashen warren
The sprite was good tho
frail mantle
glossy bough
Oh nice sprite
frail mantle
@winged adder there’s a reason Calamity’s Vanities exists
if you want to have a Astrageldon pet, install it
faint rivet
Other mod already does this
Invalid reason for devs to not add it
frail mantle
although the Crawler pets aren’t in the mod yet and might not even become added at all
yea that’s fair
winged adder
That's why I'm suggesting Crawler pets. Like, who wouldn't want one of these adorable things following you around?
faint rivet
^
They could be like 10% drop from their respective type, since they cute af but also relatively rare
glossy bough
They’re not adorable though
winged adder
You take that back.
covert igloo
Tbh i would not even notice it among the fucking chaos that is The mushroom boss fights. But other than that i agree.
glossy bough
They look like free gems and I want to kill them
faint rivet
Crawlers are cute af, you can't deny that 
winged adder
ReEeEeEeE.
But I seem to be good at making suggestions that're purely cosmetic.
Ez suggestion ez life.
civic rampart
They're so cute that I'm torn between getting diamonds for crystalline and letting them go
winged adder
We need to preserve the Crawlers.
glossy bough
Can we kill the pets
winged adder
#GemCrawlerPreservation
faint rivet
Crystalline > Crawler pet
covert igloo
*Can we breed them? 
faint rivet
glossy bough
#FreeCrystalShards
faint rivet
That sprite is so damn cute
winged adder
Yeeees.
faint rivet
I want one 
glossy bough
Kill it
faint rivet
Are you crazy
glossy bough
Yes
covert igloo
Reminds me of the darksouls crystal lizards
faint rivet
Rhetorical point
glossy bough
What if I said no
faint rivet
It'd still be yes
civic rampart
@faint rivet maybe change your nick to "addicted to gem crawlers"
glossy bough
Shit
faint rivet
Nah
covert igloo
Yes means Yes and No means Yes
faint rivet
Also we can't even change our own nicks unless we're cool
civic rampart
Or we can ask somebody to change it
glossy bough
I advocate crawler pets but I want a bumblebirb pet
covert igloo
Lil birb
faint rivet
Crystal Crawler > Birb
civic rampart
You can become one with the birb with calamity vanities
covert igloo
keks
winged adder
Yeeeaaah.
faint rivet
It already resets if you log iirc
winged adder
Though wait, I thought they made it so you couldn't use the Nurse during boss fights?
civic rampart
Make it require 100plat
void river
Oh really
faint rivet
Don't think they changed that
void river
Resets after logging?
winged adder
Pfff.
pliant bone
Things Dr. Bright shouldnt be allowed to do.
winged adder
That would've been a good change.
covert igloo
Lewd the little crawler
pliant bone
That is one of them
faint rivet
Oh god
worthy fiber
do NOT
winged adder
CEASE.
covert igloo
Many ideas come to mind, yes?
winged adder
You stop that.
civic rampart
shout the "crawler is loose" while running around, unless a crawler is actually loose
covert igloo
Keks
glossy bough
There we are
covert igloo
Then we realize the Birbs were mass bred
faint rivet
Rare
Not affected by Defiled
covert igloo
Wait long enough you can get enough Lil birbs to create a whole birb that will fight for you
glossy bough
Oh heck
covert igloo
They become one to form Med Birb
Get enough of the medium birbs and you get a regular bumblebirb
Get 2 bumblebirbs somehow and you get BigBirb
faint rivet
covert igloo
In BigBirb form they grow hairy man legs and arms
faint rivet
Ono
civic rampart
Nice name for the pet summon item
covert igloo
My imagination is going to have fun with the revelation
placid moth
does calamity vanity mod give birb pet ?
worthy fiber
I know there's a baby Yharon pet
hollow shell
@glossy bough It got delivered. There is no need to repost
faint rivet
frail mantle
CV doesn’t add a bird pet, but it does add a bird hat
obtuse swallow
Making music client side is huge, i need that
pliant bone
"Things Dr. Bright isn't allowed to do"
placid moth
Good suggestion.
fossil torrent
any issues?
civic rampart
Maybe if the content was spoiled after one week it'll be better
fossil torrent
Well it could be marked as a spoiler, and it's really your choice to click it
That'd also remove the wiki part of the reason
novel pebble
You can just not check the document if you don't want to be spoiled
fossil torrent
Yeah you can just
choose to not
pliant bone
Release the document after a few days of the update's release
Or the grace period they call
fossil torrent
One day after at most, which would be in line with the spoiler rule (you have to mark spoilers with the spoiler tag up to 24h after the update)
lost agate
@fossil torrent for that to happen somebody has to actually want to do that
lost agate
And im sure fab or any other devs arent willing to do it
fossil torrent
is it really that much work though?
it's just copying the normal changelog but adding the few words of what it actually is
fossil torrent
Just a suggestion, just a suggestion
ashen warren
Cataloging every little change in a program is annoying and boring
I'd know since I've done it with shit before
lost agate
Yeah yeah, its a legit suggestion, im just saying that it wont happen unless you get lucky and somebody wants to do that
fossil torrent
Not EVERY LITTLE change, just the ones that are large enough to note
It'd not document like, numbers of buffs and nerfs and stuff like that, just the names of additions
like "this is a thing" not "this thing does this thing and is like this thing"
lost agate
What?
winged adder
no hit server?
ashen warren
no hit server had an announcement with all the new patreon items and things
winged adder
That sounds like a clusterfuck.
ashen warren
its much less of a clusterfuck than this one
winged adder
Fair enough.
fossil torrent
why'd it be a clusterfuck, exactly?
winged adder
Well, I just imagine it as a bunch of people slowly losing their minds
fossil torrent
Dumb people aren't let in
winged adder
attempt after atempt.
fossil torrent
No, not buffs and nerfs and bugfixes and all that shit
Just list the items and stuff that are worth taking a look at as a normal player
ashen warren
in suggestions yeah i thought he clarified in here though
fossil torrent
I could clarify the sug a bit
ashen warren
Not EVERY LITTLE change, just the ones that are large enough to note
It'd not document like, numbers of buffs and nerfs and stuff like that, just the names of additions
like "this is a thing" not "this thing does this thing and is like this thing"
lost agate
Ah well, of course
ashen warren
yeah switch it to that than javy
fossil torrent
there
ruby cobalt
oops, ate someone's star
vestal elbow
Fargo's stat sheet but for Calamity
fossil torrent
or alch's pipboye
but this would show rogue damage which those would not
and probably tell you about caps
ashen warren
Maybe uh, provide more detail on suggestions? How to get it, where it is in progression, etc.?
God tier suggestion right there.
obtuse swallow
That is irrelevant. Its just a stat item :v i'd imagine it'd be chucked into Goblin shop like the proficiency items
vestal elbow
Not yours I dont think
ashen warren
"an egg that launches little chickens upon its death"
vestal elbow
Or both 
ashen warren
Fucking, A+.
fossil torrent
chicken launcher egg
chicken launcher egg
obtuse swallow
Egg blaster
All the eggs
vestal elbow
Isnt that just Chicken Cannon downgrade
tulip rock
who said it had to be a downgrade
lost agate
@foggy oracle mind being more specific and make it look like you want to put more than 10 minutes into a suggestion?
fervent sky
Just wondering, what are the rules on reposting suggestions of your own?
round falcon
I think I could use that idea a little bit.
Does post-Golem ""Throwing"" still suffer?
i call it throwing because i cannot spell
sleek wigeon
Rogue
lost agate
Rouge is good for post golem now
ashen warren
Rogue is alright iirc.
lost agate
Bless post AD rogue weapons
sleek wigeon
isnt rouge a color?
lost agate
Theres like 4 of them
round falcon
Is there anywhere rogue suffers still?
lost agate
Uuuuh
placid moth
everywhere
lost agate
Prebosses?
sleek wigeon
crystaline?
ashen warren
Rouge is like, makeup or something.
Blusher iirc.
Crystalline is easy with planetoids.
lost agate
Ah yeah right
round falcon
Immediately post-Moon Lord or post-Provi?
ashen warren
Diamonds are really common there.
lost agate
Then only early post ML i think
ashen warren
Rogue is amazing post-ml iirc
round falcon
Alright, I can work with this.
ashen warren
Still really good providence killer.
obtuse swallow
Getting planetoids is still a gamble on grav pots
ashen warren
Like I always say, 400 rope = planetoids.
lost agate
You can just get absurd amounts of rope
ashen warren
More for bridging however I recommend platforms because harpies.
lost agate
New biome also helped with making rogue have option where it needed it
Like early prehm and early hm
ashen warren
Seafoam bomb is so good.
obtuse swallow
How do you find them tho?
round falcon
Aight time to go cry in the corner as I make a rogue weapon concept
lost agate
Its so good its was nerfed like three times before the update 
@obtuse swallow find what?
ashen warren
Central planetoid always spawns in the middle, rope upwards from spawn and go left/right.
ashen warren
nerfed like three times
What?
lost agate
Oh and since the world expansion is long gone you will find islands too
ashen warren
I was about to say it might need a small nerf.
ashen warren
I do really like the synergy with the bubbles and stealth.
That's fun, even though it makes all bosses until Hive/Perf basically free.
lost agate
Yeah you can make them stay on the bubbles easily
Might wanna test this myself and ask for a nerf if its that bad
ashen warren
700ish dps on my end fyi.
lost agate
If you wanna add a rogue weapon, pre provi is definitely the right place to ask for one
But since rogue update is coming soon idk if thats really needed
ashen warren
If you want something to get in, try thinking of a rogue weapon that isn't necessarily strong but fun to use, and is above all eyecatching so the dev team see it.
Building off the new stealth mechanic like having a weapon only work while under stealth or whatever is a start.
Do note that they're taking a break for some period of time so waiting until we start getting changelogs for 1.4.3 or something could be a strategy also.
Oops, forgot the ping. @round falcon
lost agate
Oh and the most important thing make sure your weapon looks like it was meant to be used for the boss in that tier we dont need another ataraxia
For example if its for provi make sure it can take advantage of the huge hitbox or the possibility of close range combat
ashen warren
Especially since (fun fact) providence has no contact damage last time I checked.
eager palm
@foggy oracle warned for memesuggestion
west prairie
ataraxia was def not meant for its tier yeah, we dont need that again
novel vine
No stars on pet birb
ashen warren
Because it was a repost that was already sent.