#suggestions-discussion
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So it is a meme suggestion?
Pretty much
And that nets you a warn.
Oh
desert scourge
Desert Scourge is supposed to be incredibly easy
it's pre-EoC
still easy as all hell
And?
You don’t need to share your entire experience so far
Alright, replacing DS with Lorde if you're on death.
maybe youre just good hahayes
death mode isn't supposed to be bullet hell for every boss and impossible to beat
We had this exact same discussion yesterday
it means each boss is just much harder
if you wish for some of the bosses to be nerfed, state which ones, how they should be nerfed, and why you think they should be nerfed
if 1 = easy and 10 = impossible, then DS in death is 1x2 in difficulty
Tl;dr from yesterday, Desert Scourge and King Slime won’t be buffed because their point is being relatively easy bosses that ease you into the game
Now let us stop discussing this before the mods go sicko mode on us
Drh goes sicko mode
^
Ehhh I said to stop discussing DS and KS, i didn't say to stop discussing in general
Coldflare Autobow
Post-Cryogen-and-Mechs ranged weapon
❔ : Rapidly shoots a fire or frost (depends on random) arrows, which have a tiny homing abilities. Fire arrows inflicts On Fire! for longer time, that frost arrows inflicts a Frostburn.
🛠 : Elluvium Bow + Molten Fury + Hallowed Repeater + 3 Essence of Cinder @ Mythril Anvil
: Ranged extension of small frostflare weapon set. Also some upgrade of both elemental bows.
Nice intrusion during a convo
SG is anything but piss easy for "terrible first time" players.
I'm getting mindfucked by those emotes, is there a meta I missed?
Yes, there's a meta of shoving retarded emotes into every fucking suggestion you see.
Started by this man, and his legacy somehow ended up in Oddi's hands, where it became twice as retarded.
Ice Cupid said that those emojis should be used to make suggestions easy to understand
Those emotes are a good way to show stuff insteada "Why it should be added", etc.
❔ = what it is, 🛠 how it's obtained,
why
You know what's also a good emote to show your inability to type words?

Because it sums up my emotions when I see it in suggestions.
It looks better than typing out "what it is" "how it's obtained" "
"
And you did it before WoF?
And your calam version is?
Literally 125 damage in death mode
That doesn't tell me jack fucking shit.
I've seen people with 1.2.4.205 claiming they had latest.
saying the exact version number is generally standard since outdated people also think they have the latest :^p
if they didn't, they wouldn't be on an outdated version
How the fuck do you not notice 125 melee damage and Distorted from the core
but Distorted
Makes you float
how do you not notice that you suddenly float in midair and can’t fall or fly any higher
You still should have noticed it since it affects your mobility greatly
^
that's besides the point though
So alright, let's buff SG so you can only do him with full buffs, as it is apparently intended.
Especially this thing, doesn't make any difference.
Stimulants.
Conveniently available right after Skeletron.
By the way, which weapons did you use?

A fucking water bolt that took down Slime God with meteorite armor in 30 fucking seconds...in Death Mode?!
that does not sound legit at all
TombomcbomboToday at 11:20
Slime god I spent 30 seconds trying to figure out what was hitting me and still won on my first try
i think they mean this
Yeah
but still, thinking Death Mode Slime God is easy with a Space Gun, Water Bolt and Meteorite Armor sounds pretty fishy to me tbh
@tender obsidian Shadow Dodge already has a cooldown at 30 seconds
Luna Lionfish - Rare Pre-HM Ocean Enemy
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
❔ = A rare mob with high health that can spawn in the ocean. Briefly inflicts venom when touched but does not pursue the player. On death, drops 0-5 stingers and, rarely vials of venom (1/75 chance?) and, very rarely (1/150 chance?), the Lionfish weapon.
= As a new mob, it would be useful for farming as its rare spawn chance coupled with its extra-rare drops that are usually hard to get work as an alternative source of stingers (jungle dangerous) and the Lionfish (if, say, multiple people on a world want the Lionfish, or it just doesn't spawn at all due to a bug).
thoughts?
Yea platforms help
providab wyt
But that gear is horribly underpowered for that part of the game
Space gun isn’t that good when Abyss Weapons exist
And Meteorite is :ech: when Aerialite exists
Black Anurian?
Also, remember that Calamity nerfs the Meteorite set bonus
No longer a #suggestions-discussion topic btw, so shuffle out into #calamity-mod-talk
Not right now tbh
You're not. Get out.
ATM we’re just discussing how you found Slime God easy
I’m just gonna leave before the Mods go sicko mode on me
Do remember that not everyone is on the same skill level.
Some people may think bosses in deathmode need buffs, but some others think they're fine as it is.
Some even think deathmode bosses need nerf
Right now deathmode difficulty is fine as it is.
It's already challenging enough for the general population of the calamity players, and it doesn't need anymore buff
No, deathmode is not for the general population.
It's meant for players who like challenges.
But just because it isn't, doesn't mean that deathmode bosses need buff.
Some players who like challenges do find deathmode difficulty either fine, or too hard even for them.
And some may think it's a lil easy for "the hardest difficulty", but again, not everyone is on the same skill level
Only DM balance problem imo is that tail-hunting DoG with rage/adrenaline makes it a 10 second P2 kill, for melee anyway.
You do realize that different people struggles with different bosses, yes?
You struggle on twins and not AS.
Some others may struggle on AS but not twins.
Saying that the difficulty is inconsistent because you have troubles with different bosses than others due to differing playstyles is a rather weak argument.
That’s like saying a chef’s food is inconsistent in their flavor because one guy likes it and one doesnt
And yes, I’m aware of your last point of discussing this, no need to point it out
The thing with it being night and day is that it might only be night and day for you
That’s not how playstyles and skill levels work.
The difficulty may seem so far apart like night and day, but if it’s not really inconsistent if it’s a different case for other people.
And why do you keep pointing out “hence this discussion”?
We both already know, and the way you keep pointing it out make it seems like you think I’m forgetful or smth
Just wondering
And I never claim to accuse you of that
No need to get defensive over a simple question my dude
Perhaps, but the way you answer it...
...Nevermind, it won’t go anywhere.
Anyways, if you say I misunderstand your intention
Then tell me your intention, loud and clear
I’m listening
That they feel that the difficulty seems inconsistent?
Indeed there are
If you're going to want opinions on those for your suggestion, you might wanna get ready for a long ride.
Things like this you can't just look at a few people's opinions and do it.
You gotta research and observe for quite a while to get accurate results.
Unless you have already done that, that is.
If you're going to go ahead with your suggestions, best you can do is keep lurking/watching #calamity-mod-talk
Perhaps, keep asking different people at different times for their opinions and such (Though don't ask the question too frequently in a short amount of time)
Do it for a few days or so, and take notes
Considering how active #calamity-mod-talk can get at times, you might be able to get answers more quickly than you think, who knows.
Anyways, if you ask me, I'd say most of the bosses in deathmode are fine rn, but that's just me.
AS seems to be mixed bag from what I've seen about him.
Either players find him too difficult/annoying, or too easy.
2 opposite ends of the spectrums.
Hive Mind is also similar
Hive Mind has very predictable patterns and some people find the fight easy and enjoyable
Yet some people struggle with said predictable patterns and call him too hard
but it can also easily catch you off guard
HM is my favorite boss tbh
^ What Termi said
even no-hitting it was enjoyable imo
Glad ya like the boss
I getcha: It has its flaws
It's not close to perfect, and I'd have to be delusional to truly believe that.
At least you’re not like some people who seem to hate Calamity just because it’s popular
Deathmode is a lil wonky in difficulty, that I can understand.
Deathmode originally was meant to be a silly "you get one-shot" mode, then it evolved into a new difficulty mode.
A not overly serious difficulty mode, though.
I'll admit that hive mind has one of the biggest rev -> death jumps
rev feels lackluster in attacks to me ngl
Calamity mod's difficulty is more or less balanced around Rev, not so much Death, so Death's difficulty is a lil wonky in terms of difficulty spikes.
Not really something that could be changed too much rn though, since Fabsol personally think Deathmode being a not-overly-serious mode as it is rn with wonky difficulty is fine
But hey, opinions could change
Not rn, but new bosses are indeed coming
Draedon will be coming in 1.4.3 update
Oh, and sorry for accusing you of being "defensive" earlier
I wasn't really thinking when I said that
Let's just call it both our faults, ye?
Anyways, I hope you have a good day 👋
@frail mantle thanks for telling me, i'll change it up a bit
im kinda surprised nobody's starred it yet
hm
Luna Lionfish - Rare Pre-HM Ocean Enemy
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
❔ = A rare mob that can spawn in the ocean. Briefly inflicts venom when touched but does not pursue the player. On death, drops 0-5 stingers and, rarely vials of venom (1/75 chance?) and, very rarely (1/150 chance?), the Lionfish weapon.
= As a new mob, it would be useful for farming as its rare spawn chance coupled with its extra-rare drops that are usually hard to get work as an alternative source of stingers (jungle dangerous) and the Lionfish (if, say, multiple people on a world want the Lionfish, or it just doesn't spawn at all due to a bug).
what y'all think x2
Titanium armor's Shadow Dodge set bonus lasts 6 seconds instead of 30 In revengeance plus
Also shouldn't it be called Lunar Lionfish instead?
no
it's a real creature called the luna lionfish
lunar lionfish doesn't make any sense unless it's a post-ml enemy or celestial event enemy
loofed

ye sounds lit
@dense girder
Yeah dont turn an abyss-tier weapon into a pre-boss weapon.
Even despite the low drop rate and the low spawn rate of the enemy
Even so, that means that an abyss tier weapon gets downgraded to a pre-boss weapon despite the riduculous odds.
Also, making an enemy unaffected by boosted spawn rates seems probably hard to do.
While i agree louis, the halibut cannon is a thing.
Also does anyone know what species of lionfish the weapon is based on?
By the way, does the Staff of Shadows seem ok?
No as in
Does anyone else think its odd that iou an item can be crafted into an item post plant, but the items themselves drop the instant hardmode starts?
Zerg is post-skeletron
By the time you could zerg to get this item you can just go into the abyss with a shadow key
Essence maybe?
@pliant bone
Zerg is hm lol
It's alchemy table though
Battle pots still exist
battle pots do pretty much jack shit in comparison
Ah feken blood orbs
But they help anyway
Mildly
Say it's a 5% chance of spawning and it has a 0.67% chance of dropping the lionfish
That's about a 0.000335% chance of getting it

That is not how you do probability im assuming
Defiled rune and Zerg tho
Spawns 5% of the time
Of that 5%, it only drops it 0.67% of the time
0.67% of 5%
Zerg is post-skele that's what I just said timer omg
y'all are wild
Ah, but defiled would almost definitely play a factor with these odds
Unless one of you decides to go to the abyss smh
At that point it would be pointless to even try farming for the Lionfish from them, when you can simply go to the dungeon, find a shadow key and find it without farming
Of the time it can spawn
As in, 5% spawn rate
i'VE GOT a fucker here trying to iukbjm,k.
INTERFERE WITGH=]
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If defiled
So basically 10x rarer than the halibut then?
Worth it
Inb4, people be cheating in Lionfish because it is technically pre-bosses tier
Yep
But why make Lionfish craftable after skele when abyss weapons are post-skele.
Prob be pointless to craft it and you have to make a reason to why only the lionfish gets this treatment unlike the other abyss weaps
Not just lionfish oof
Though what Abyss material would you even get in prehm
About that Luna Lionfish suggestion, what if we just suggest a respective fish/animal for all of the pre-Hardmode abyss weapons and they begin dropping them post-Smelly Skelly Hed 1?
Too many fishes tbh
I'm still at school and I had a friend next to me going sicko mode sorry
There can never be too much fish in the abyss
Infact, the amount of variety in the 4th layer abyss is very lacking
4th layer 
and squiddo
main problem with the abyss is how shitty its generation is smh
it's just a single line rather than caverns
I think there's also an inherent problem with the creatures themselves
I mean what do you expect the Mariana trench to be?
A big cavern?
When you get powerful enough you could easily destroy reaper sharks, worms, etc.
They should be hard to kill even at the very end-game
Well...they’re minibosses
That's part of what made Subnautica so good: killing the leviathans is near-impossible, it creates an atmosphere of real fear, and you're supposed to be scared in the Abyss
Thats basically giving them adult eidolymn wyrm powers
minibosses are a challenge, but not full on roadblocks
...near impossible?
Yeah you only got a knife and a stasis rifle
Alright, so let's ignore the prawn.
If not near impossible then tedious
this isn't a subnautica discussion let's not delve there
anyways
2 whopping minutes to drill a levi, pretty shitty point to bring up, don't you think?
Besides, the minibosses drop pretty essential materials
But yeah, worldgen is somewhat lacking.
moVING ON
And imagine them being stronger, you go down abyss and you get ganged with a lot of them, youre basically dead
so how do you guys then think i could improve the lionfish
creating one fish for each abyss item?
Isnt lionfish like absurdly strong already?
Increase the chance for it to be dropped but make it Post-Skletron exclusive and do the same with the other feesh
they can be easy if you take them on one by one, but just like other mini bosses, they become a challenge when you meet more than one
Alright, so hypothetically you move out weapons from chests to enemies.
What fills chests then?
Halibut cannons
Nah, I'm telling you to keep it in mind.
it's a rare fish with a very rare chance of dropping the lionfish that's it
@frail mantle and how are you supposed to prevent fighting more than one???
In case of gey worldgen
Whats the point of making the lionfish rarer than the Halibut cannon pre-skeletron.
^
I did draw this for a suggestion a while ago, a "better" abyss
Alongside a whole shitload of other stuff to increase the atmosphere and stuff
My point was that you don’t need to buff the Abyss minibosses since they’re minibosses, not something that people will struggle with endgame
Would be harder to code but a lot more fun to explore
lot of typing not a lot of messages 
Inb4 the bottom layer gets sealed shut most of the time
also, one of their challenges (that also make them more interesting) is that you might have to fight more than one at a time
gtg back later
Well, if you ask me, i had fun exploring the abyss
Me too
Had
which is why i think the minibosses are fine as they are
Yes i had because the fucking last run i did was like 6 months ago
Halibut but its rogue yes
I suggested post skele crafting in case of bad worldgen
Anyways, i agree with what Louis said
Previously you could fish them up.
Fishing ew
make the Luna Lionfish drop the Lionfish post-skelly only, but with a higher drop chance
Photosynthetic Slimes
A post-mech underground Jungle enemy
Description:
- Spawns after all 3 mechanical bosses, Clonemitas or Plantera are defeated
- Drops 15-25 Chlorophyte ore upon death.
Reason:
Chlorophyte bars are pretty expensive to craft and it usually tends to make some players stray away from crafting Chlorophyte and Chlorophyte related gear.
yeah what is wrong with post-skelly only
at least make it drop it at a very low chance post-EoW or post-Hive and the droprate increasing by a lot post-Skele
^
Any suggestions and criticisms to my suggestion?
Looks good
Would defeat the point of chloro farming
Who got time for chloro farming
Yeah if you spent a truckload of time doing the mech bosses
Though the same can be said for Perennial Ore
There are tons of Perennial Ore around yet there are Perennial slimes
Perennial doesn't regenerate 
Yet they have a limit per area of blocks.
Impractical too to go excavate a massive area just for reproducing Chlorophyte.
Perennial doesnt need to regenerate given the stupid amount of it exists
Exactly
how about the luna lionfish drops a consumable version of the lionfish with less damage when you hit it with a bug net/kill it
and the lionfish with a lower chance after skelly boi
or just make them not spawn until skele is ded
I don't recommend straight up reposting stuff without changes
you even failed the emotes
I actually changed the name, the tooltip and the debuffs
Nice
And the emotes look normal to me
No?
I mean i can see them
And no one else can
you did not change the name at all, no change in the tooltip and no changes in the debuffs
literally 0 changes
But you do you I guess
That suggestion is quite old
How old.
just do :musical_note:
all he really did was shorten the debuff explanations and make the music notes not emojies
I see your point the changes are small af but still i just wanted to repost something
yeah i'm not trying to prevent you, just pointing out how pointless it is
turn the "musical_note" text into emojies and i'll give you a star
he did
gud

but wait there's more
This isnt even my final form
The Luna Lionfish suggestion would make Vials of Venom pre-boss which would make Flasks of Venom pre-plant, making True Tyrant's Ultisword post-mechs. Quality item drops 
yeah the flask of venom drop should probably be post plant
had to kill the stars because I improved the dragon claw sprite 
Try not to send that many suggestions in a row please @fossil torrent
wh
there is already a guide voodoo doll crafting recipe
Blood orbs and cloth I think
not cloth, leather
5x leather and 10x blood orbs
@elder estuary that already exists
while there already is a recipe, it can be difficult to get 10 blood orbs in a speed run early on. maybe a recipe change is due?
Or just save your blood orbs instead of using them
that's not the issue tho?
Make Zerg negate the drop rate-boosting effects of Defiled Rune.
yeah but blood moon is pure rng on pre-hardmode and there's no time for grinding blood orbs in a speedrun
1 in 9 chance of happening every 24 minutes
I'd put demonic bone ash instead of blood orbs tbf
Yeah but u see, if we dont balance around nohitting why should we balance around speedruns?
I don't see your point
I mean currently the recipe doesn't even include any underworld items
^
I mean that we dont balance around optional challenges
Speedrunning being one of them
ignoring that, who would save 10 blood orbs to make a voodoo doll? has nobody ever questioned this recipe
@lost agate Like I see what you're saying and I would agree if there was another non-completely rng dependent way to get them like vanilla has plants to craft potions
and I would also agree if it was optional content, i.e. not WoF that locks out hardmode
Thats.... Not what i mean
Your point was "we don't do any balancing around 'personal restrictions' "
i'm saying that the blood orb recipe is rng dependent on a blood moon or normal spawn a voodoo demon
it would be nice to have an alternative that can be virtually guaranteed to happen after a reasonable amount of kills or exploration
instead of merely time + luck
BECAUSE it's wof
But you see, vodoo is a type of black magic and blood orb are used for potions so thats the relation at least
I see the connection but I feel like that's tenuous at best
Also blood in a doll sounds messed up tbh
Ok ok let's calm down for a second I have an idea
^
I'm not entirely sure if it's been thought of yet but
nobody's not calm, it's a discussion
Blood.. in a doll.. used to summon a giant wall of flesh and blood?
So vodoo isnt messed up but blood is?
Crafting recipe for Blood Orbs: Murky Sludge + Demonic Bone Ash = 5/10 Blood Orbs?
("real") voodoo usually involves hair or sentimental objects, not blood
hair confirmed for next update
^ killing guide drops hair to make doll with cloth readygo
jokes aside i thought abou that at first but, while reliable, a bit out of the way to get potentially
since you'd have to lava him
lava him then lava his voodoo doll
not that getting lava is hard or anything
Uh.. real voodoo, to my knowledge, involves a part of the person. Hairs just convenient.
Blood would work.
but that blood isnt of the guide
guide juice
well at any rate specifics of implementation aside and lore relations, a more accessible recipe would be nice; since again it's locked behind pure rng at the moment and in turn locks out hardmode
regardless of speed run considerations
So the guide voodoo doll has a recipe, why not the clothier doll?
because the clothier doll isnt consumable
^
If you want to refight him its probably only for his book of skulls which is a bad weapon smh
or theres a modded item from another mod that he drops
I think that's way too cheap
blood orbs should remain exclusive to blood moon imo
but the voodoo doll's recipe should be modified
both of those materials are very easy to farm compared to the impact of some of the potions you can craft
4 sludge, 4 ash?
Just make a small plant farm for potions 
^
but does this one?
calamity's one is hard mode isn't it ?
hm anvil
^
well the blood orb recipes are at alchemy table anyway
except guide voodoo doll
which was the point i believe
leather + blood orb + hellforge
Calamity's blood moon summoning item is post-mechs iirc
edit: just checked and it is
but what do you need blood orbs before that other than zergs
@mystic glade this discussion started about ways to get a guide voodoo doll without voodoo-demon rng or pre-hm blood moon rng
take a look at xetaxheb's video on #suggestions-voting
that was just an example, he spent 40 minutes trying to get one voodoo to spawn
goodbye suggestion
:mgsalute:
@ashen warren that is locked behind rng bloodmoon or rng voodoo demons or post-mechs
5 leather and 10 blood orbs
blood moon spawner is behind mechanical bosses
speedruns
one use case, still a complete rng problem
still totally possible to be locked out of hard mode 100% until you rng into a voodoo demon or blood moon; posted a 40 minute sit-there-and-wait example
might wanna modify ur suggestion
Yeah it says "add" not "change the recipe"
^
yes
that was my intent
I think the blood orb recipe is a fine time saver like the other blood orb recipes
Voodoo demons seem to be all about that RNG
and I think adding it outright to the dryad has issues since it spawns a buttload of ore each kill
cause for me they plague the land
something like cloth + a piece of hair from killing the guide / etc would be a good addition
and make sense for the leather+blood (orb) alternative
But change your suggestion to say "change the recipe" then
I think leaving the extant recipe in is fine
I'm not suggesting to change it; but to add a second recipe with earlier accessible materials
Oh man can't wait to see how many people will say "but it already has a recipe"
I guess but that's up to the devs whether to keep or change the existing one
my suggestion is just one accessible pre-mechs/wof that isn't able to completely rng-lock you out of hm
Make it say "add another recipe" then
|zerg potions|
Add more details to the suggestion
ok I changed it
This seems to be a normal/expert issue to me, cause revengeance spawn rates are much more manageable
^ agreed
still, being able to reliably spawn a WoF pre-mechs would be nice
I only ever play expert with all the tokens (minus armageddon) on so this issue isn't' super common for me personally
90% of the time the issue is spawning the guide, not getting dolls for me
I always end up with 8 of them while I'm simply building the hellevator
Nice, starred
👍 thanks for your input
i was there for that stream, it was ridiculous
If I could add to this, maybe just increase the spawnrate of Voodoo Demons?
They're already reasonably common, but if it' such a big deal just make them moreso
How about instead of pure rng, make a voodoo demon spawn polterghast style, lets say after every 20 normal demon deaths
Hectique memes I see
Why make them autoswing when you can just make the use speed faster?
And even add autoswing on top of that
The thing i find annoying is the slow use speed
Autoswing would be nice, but faster speed would be nicer imo
and am i the only one that gets voodoo dolls normally???
I always have luiafk so I can bloody voodoo doll a blood moon, full support for that suggestion.
probably because rng likes you, fish
Wait why not just make the defiled rune give normal demons a 5 percent chance to drop the doll
I guess it's all fair because I always get community on first levi kill.
That works if defiled is all modes
Which it isn't iirc
"Can only be used in revengeance and death mode" yup
All the people saying zerg when zerg is post-WoF or.. blood moon
Inb4, it somehow breaks conpatibility to one of Thorium's biomes
on the surface of the ocean floor not the aquatic depths
Hi This is kind of petty but I had just defeated the Eye of Cthulhu and was going to the dungeon when i was attacked by a pit bull. Normally i wouldst care it is just a game but i thought about how pit bulls are generally stereotyped as beasts and vicious animals. I can see them being called pit bulls as in a demonic way, ya know "pit" and what not, and I'm pretty sure its unintentional but them attacking the player is kind of propagating the stereotype. A while back and still currently there are movements to euthanize any pit bull without discretion and I just think that it puts off a bad image about them in general. I have spent time with many at my local dog shelter and although im not demanding and love the game either way i kind of would like for the name to be changed. Im sort of making a mountain out of a molehill, but i have some suggestions for any renaming.
like Black Dog from the european ghost stories, or chupacabra, or coyote, or anything else like that ya know
I can see how that'd be a bit hurtful to see if you're really connected with dogs
but I do think you're making a bit of a big deal out of a small thing
Lot of people don't even know the Pitbull enemy exists
although renaming an enemy isn't something out of the question
Well yeah bit its just an enemy in a mod that most people froget exist
The enemy not the mod
I remembered they existed 🤷
If you could
make your argument a lot more concise
then sure you can post it as a suggestion, Saucy
I frogot they existed
I was going to use b3's dot suggestion but I guess dots are a little more well known despite being tied to rev+
Only thing I have to say is that sharks have a bad rep in a bunch of places as is, and definitely need more protection than dogs do, yet no one's done anything about that.

that's worse you nut
Orca* smh
They kill sharks
Call them Danger Fish
Zog Dombie
I'll just like to put a orca on land and plug its blowhole
but dolphins have almost never atacked people before
alright alright, i was joking, neither thing is really that important can we not
can we not
Sorry I'll stop
They have eaten more than one person
like 4 i think
Now I'll stop
Would an accessory that docks summon damage based on how many summons there are but also grants more summons sound interesting?
While it'd probably wreak havoc on the mechworm, an accessory that increased my chances of letting the brainlet AI of summons actually hit their target would be nice to have as a crutch.
mechworm caps out at 10 segments btw, it doesn't get stronger after that
I'm worried more about damage reduction w/o any benefit
then people would just not use the accessory at that point in the game
Where would it be the most useful?
oops i missed the conversation earlier about the voodoo recipe, i know it's passed by for a while but i do think it's worth mentioning that the summon as is seems to lack differentiating purpose. voodoo demons are effectively just waiting for rng and blood moons similarly are just waiting for rng, so the crafting recipe seems to be just redirecting the same effort in a different direction which feels a bit purposeless until you've already pushed into hardmode and can produce blood moons yourself, along with zerg potions. just my two cents tho, i'm sure some people find it appropriate as is. 
probably hm, phm would be a tad too strong imo
oh god calamitamini army
early hm is where summoner struggles a fair deal, mid hm somewhat, and late hm it does fine
not taking into account ooa bugs for sentries ofc 
sentries, not minions
hey i made the pitbull post earlier im really not trying to make it a big deal just a suggestion as the chat entails lol
@austere token You're going to have to say more than just "Cool and Awesome Stuff"
Say specifically what you want and why
The whole mod is amazing i can't think of any thing other than cool and awesome stuff.
wh
thank you, but it ain't the place for stuff like that
Maybe a higher summoning cap? I Usually have to multie calss if i want to use the summoning stuff in the end game
alright
a higher summon cap would also affect pure summoners, and they're pretty strong end game atm 
any ideas?
yea that's fair tbh
Mirror Blade is one of those weapons that i see once and is like "o yeah that thing exists" and then forgets it exists
it feels like it's worse than the heavily nerfed steller striker.
@tame moss I think it would look cleaner if you removed the 👏 emotes and instead state how she's a prominent boss in the Calamity lore.
fair enough
"You impudent little insect! You dare lay your corrupt fingers on my core?! You shall pay for your heresy with your life!"
Shitty Prov dialogue idea
that ain't shitty, that sounds fitting for ol' Prov tbh
gnight 👋
good idea, though it's not clear whether it can speak, considering she's basically fire, but good idea neverthless.
I do like the fact that she's currently unspeaking.
Hunted mode got more than enough stars but it got buried before it could be checked 
That's not how it works.
I (in)frequently scroll back like the past week and see if anything breached 65
and deliver the ones that do
I delivered a bunch earlier but stopped halfway through cuz I should actually be asleep right now
gnight
It's fine, I can wait another day
i'd like to see some providence battle dialogue
it would make sense, seeing as though she's a goddess
It probably won’t happen, if they wanted it in the game it would probably have happened already seeing as all other major post-ML bosses has dialogue of some kind.
you have a point 
@drowsy elm yo
stop talking there you bums 
Read the pins and channel descriptions in the channels before posting, you can't chat in #suggestions-voting
@drowsy elm warned B)
smh
Did you just m i n i m o d 
delete his message tho
should've given him time to respond
It is gone
I deleted it, ye
Good job drh
i was gonna delet it anyway smhmshm
ye, you had a brain to do that and avoid warning
Sorry lol
also there's no need to call out brains that are taking there in the same channel
you can just tag them here, or just straight up tag a mod
eh fe
i saw your name in #general-talk after that and my instincts kicked in
for i am a bastion of justice
You're right tho, that was a pretty bruh moment

damn my neural block didn't last
maybe put it post aquascourge somehow?
hellburst's already in the exact same spot though, having two vilethorn weapons in the exact same place in progression seems counterintuitive
Also Coral Spout isn’t useless
have you seen it against DS, EoW and the Perforator Worms 
So... Does anyone actually listen to suggestions?
Like, how much of the stuff there gets used?
If you're asking about what devs do with suggestions
in #suggestions-voting
alright i'm at school now but
like i said, coral rush would be a bridge weapon
still working on its later editions™
@ruby cobalt whats the point of #suggestions-voting existence then? (Joke question)
The suggestions just sit there in dev server.
Every now and then a dev or two might dig into the pile and like a suggestion or two which will increase its chance of getting in considerably, especially if someone on the dev team currently is free and is willing to code/sprite for it.
This ofc means that only a select few suggestions actually get implemented, but suggestions are not our main priority, atleast right now.
ok i got an idea for you devs
make every suggestion into a tinder profile
make all the devs vote on it using tinder

Considering the over hundreds of suggestions
No 
Again, suggestions are low priority and the system we have at the dev server is fine rn.
It might get improve or smth if there’s ever a point where devs can focus more on suggestions, but rn it’s pretty fine.
When the mod gets to a point when it's "finished", when all the bosses and such are done, suggestions will maybe get a higher priority, which would be really cool
honestly i want to learn C# so i can make my own mods
because i have so many mod ideas
but coding is ass-hard and i can't sprite 
I have a lot of ideas too, i can kinda sprite, and I want to learn c#
Maybe some time in the future who knows
my ideas are mainly most of the suggestions i've come up with so far, a huge mod that would be community suggestion-based
and of course
a jojo mod
because fuck you
#offtopic :P
#mingimos
mimigas.
miigasm
get-out-asm
my favorite jordan peele movie
@sleek wigeon reeeeee
what?
Frost Firearm
Hardmode version of the meteor fists.
Left click fires 2 high velocity fists, just like the meteor fist. They explode into ice, dealing melee damage.
Right click instead shoots 2 icicles, dealing ranged damage.
Neither projectile inflicts a debuff, instead dealing increased damage to enemies affliced with frostburn.
Crafted with 2 frost cores and adamantium/titanium.
This would synergise well with the frost armor, whose setbonus is normally a rather weak +8 damage a second.
Its best prefix would be godly.
Looks good. no you didn't see a gasm emote
Will this still inflict On Fire to enemies?
I don't think it should, considering an ice weapon inflicting on fire and not frostburn is a little weird
I see, understood.
so many peopel are requesting meteor fist upgrades...?!
This is the first one I've seen in quite a while, there was one yesterday but other than that the other meteor fist suggestions are pretty old.
What about a weapon that inflicts On Fire, Frostburn, Shadowflame, Cursed Flames and oiled?

Would still probably be worse than the lionfishes venom debuff
Tbh, a couple of things are immune to venom
@frail mantle they are buffed post ML 
“there is a mod that fixes that” isn’t a good argument 
The meteor fist is a great weapon and id love to see it get an upgrade even if its just in numbers
@frail mantle I assume that crafts 20 Phantoplasm?
ofuk one moment
I like the suggestion btw
considering Ectoplasm is more obtainable than Phanto due to Ectoblood, thisd help to balance it out
Considering Phantoplasm is used in so many recipes
phectoboob
Phantomblood

My lore channel suggestion have 71 stars and still has the exclamation sign reaction
We came to a conclusion on that one.
Lore talk gets yeeted the fuck out to literature server.
Finally :hellyes:
Nani the fuck?
Be careful with what you ask for 
Were do i find the literature server then?
Somewhere in art.
Cant you guys just paste the invite in #other-discords ?
Nope.
should there be a mechworm like staff that drops from the aquatic scourge
It's in the #other-discords of the art server
you've already suggested that a month ago, Calamitas
i mean, if you change it up a bit and refine the suggestion it might be okay
@worldly jay read the rules please
ok
:)
And...how about a resprite that I made using Paint, where can I show it?
...honest advice: i would post it here first
but not in #suggestions-voting
for your own safety, people will probably ridicule you because a lot of suggestions lately have super high-quality pixel art
ok here it is
Was it a boss suggestion 
:)
:(
it was first, but then they suggested reading the rules first, so sorry for the first one
This is epic
My current suggestion getting that many stars is proof that a sprite no matter how terrible increases the chance of them
mine has no sprite and more than yours 
Compare mine to the one i made ages ago
Frostfirearm
Crafted from the same materials from the frost armor
it is a fusion between a melee and ranged weapon
Its primary attack is a fast melee punch from a gauntlet. It fires rapidly close range like the blade glove, but only straight forward like a spear.
Right clicking instead fires out icicles at a rate of about 3 a second, it does not consume any ammo.
Both forms of the weapon gain a damage bonus against enemies immune to frostburn similar to frostspark bullets but with frostburn instead of glacial state
Both forms gain a much bigger damage bonus with a small crit chance increase against enemies affected by frostburn
Neither form actually inflicts frostburn, so you must really on other weapons or the setbonus of the frost armor for this damage bonus.
Not exactly the same
the better your suggestions looks, more likely it is to get stars
Better than silly emotes 
SILLY EMOTES
yes
The egyptians got on just fucking fine with emotes for a few thousand years I beg your pardon
Same width, different info, looks colorful
I am the CHAD of suggestions
What happened to the good old bold and underlined format
🤠
No you're the virgin emote spammer.
thad
yes, thad, it's a supreme chad, google it
So, garbage?
thank
this is a suggestion: Have a template for suggestions that shows how to actually make it look decent,
Name
What it does

Too bad there's a fucking template already.
Yep, Doesnt show how to format it well though, People are just writing lines of text instead of seperated descriptions/names
And yours does it better?
And thats the template's fault?
.....
ok its early in the morning so give me a break
Template shows you FUCKING EVERYTHING
If you've not yet grasped the concept of making line breaks - you can always ask somewhere else or get bashed by someone in here.
Fair
Here's a better fucking template in that case:
I was going to post one of my old suggestions that followed a really good template
IMO the template I use looks the best
It's clear, organized and it looks good
Instead of being a block of lame ass text
Ditch the garbage emotes and we're cool.

What i use is more like this:
Example
Item 1 description
item 2 description
example
I can't because it makes no fucking sense you picked a bunch of random emotes
Cause i never suggest 1 item at a time
resprite yharon pls
yharon very kool n hot
wh
This is why I fucking hate emotes.
oh
Actually that makes sense
That's what this shit is gonna evolve to.
Fuck emotes
Not if you tell people to stick to a fucking format
And you're giving it a fucking spurt of growth.
I'm going to keep using emotes, because they look good, and they work.
enforce the emote spam rule more
Kill it at the root.
I would recommend you all do, but it's your decision.
Blocks of text are LAME.
They hurt to look at and they damage my will to live. Emotes add even the tiniest splash of color
I'm looking at suggestions and all i see are blocks of text
Blocks of text are lame for people who can't format at all, or who can't read.
Emotes are too up to interpretation
They're boring to dredge through one by one
so dont read them
Use hand signs to convey your suggestion
Well you can't fuck up 🛠 or ❔ can you? How would you fuck them up that badly
Then don't 
Now imagine what the devs have to do.
wingdings
No please

why do you need emotes for a suggestion
Especially the ones that actually have a will to trudge through this garbage pit.
they give you more stars I guess
By that extension, then tell everybody to stop using 
do you really need to dumb it down that far bc you cant simply read
It's an emote, it's bad apparently
OH I FUCKING HATE EVERYONE WHO USES 
I have the will to go through this pit, But not by much
you just did 

Ladies and gentlemen, we got 'em
Oddi
have you ever questioned how annoying you can be
You know what I meant.
You aint helping
You want to test me?
Not particularly no
Nah
That's an answer to all three questions btw
it's nice being chummy with the mods because they do you favor and are lax on warnings because you're their friend
Do you really want to fucking test me now?
you should before someone beheads you
See, the point is, we treat #suggestions-voting just as harsh as #bugs-read-pins.
iirc i havent been warned even once
Actually, we should do that, because we don't really do that now.
suggestions doc
That sounds inhibiting and puts a sort of lifespan on this channel in particular.
Don't annoy people beyond what they need to be annoyed.
Isnt that why my message is pinned in here?
In my defense, that message was a joke directed towards Ein as evidenced by the context. but yeah i'm just gonna stop talking before i dig my own grave here
Oh, this channel had it for long enough. It's been a pool of shitty suggestions for waaay too long than I'd like it to be.
You have already dug a grave
Omae wa mou shinderu
what
Also get the fuck outta here with memery before I have to snap people.
it has iirc
yes
quite a lot
Oh look, another one.
Not that often
I guess fungal clump fills that role enough to get this amount of disgust
In fact it's only been delivered once
Good
If it's already been delivered does that mean another one is worthy of being sent
No
smh
Should it have the blue check?
Nah I don't bluecheck specific weapon suggestions
because they function differently
The one that was delivered was Akelsh's "Crabling Staff", which is essentially an automatic Hyphae Rod minion
could be mobile or could be a sentry
p different from what Beany suggested
Should there be a weapon tier/ability chart to compare suggestions to in order to avoid these situations?
wdym?
If someone suggests a weapon called the 'terra mere' that functions like the ark of the elements (A post ML Terra blade), then it can be compared and either be made more unique or trashed.
So we don't get suggestions that conflict with in-game content. Like how that crabulon staff is similar to the fungal clump.
Is the wiki not enough?
Judging by the quality of some of these suggestions, some don't even go near the wiki and compare.
Do you really think Beany didn't know Fungal Clump existed?
What no
I know that fungal clump exists, but imo it's just bad :p
It's ok
Think more like the example of the 'terra mere'
Pings work fine
Just "@soandso uhh Terratomere exists"
"'doh'"
I really don't think people would check a big chart containing all Calamity weapons to see if something's been suggested before
or
so im gonna assume a lot of the stuff that gets stars doesnt get sent?
if it's already in the game, rather
You talking about stuff with 65+ that doesn't have checks?
Bluecheck means it's been sent before.
oh right
Green check is delivery
Stepping back a bit, would a "Suggestions needed" doc that could be added onto by devs to help fill tiers in progression that are weak or need more variety be possible?
@molten hearth In Calamities Vanities, there is a Crabulon pet
but i guess there can be a minion too
I know about the Crabulon pet in Calamity's Vanities. In fact, that's what inspired me to suggest a Crabulon minion 
Oh hey another "spare Scal" suggestion
too many people playin undertale these days
we only want blood and money 🤑
SCal's fight is kinda based on Sans, so it's no surprise people suggest that
yes it is
Its a bullet hell
Or at least it was before
So are many bossfights
megalovania intensifies
At least it was
It never was
You think?
just lemme check this thing again
@halcyon pulsar SCal will eventually get a human sprite, at the point of gihting her in the lore, she is not cursed.
Allright
Next thing you know, nohit Xeroc and Goozma using rod as only movement.
Still a bad idea tbh
I hope Xeroc will be that kind of superboss that cant even be fought until youve done pretty much everything else
So Xeroc is the Ebony Warrior
why just
I'm a terrible person 
A more ideal purpose would be to make the NPC drops slightly easier to get
Like that Paintball gun thing
Crap that's actually a good idea XD
Or just, not even "slightly"
make em guaranteed drops
if killed with this thingie
because
why wait for them to come back



Kill them all!
A good way to yeet the Angler.
a good way to slap those fuckers in a blood moon
A good?
Okay, I finded thatm
Cosmic Flares
Early hardmode Magic weapon (Book)
❔ : Fires a astral fire ball, which slows down as his fly and unaffected by gravity. If ball completely stops, they after 3 seconds shoots a superfast cosmic beams, which targetted to nearby enemies in 30 blocks radius. Beam's damage are calculates as (ball damage / total targets count * 1.2).
🛠 : Spell Book + 30 Stardust + 15 Fallen Star @ Bookcase
: More Astral-themed weapons, also Wizard's spell book for that biome.
Many ppl doesnt actually think about the fact that we constantly yeeting the goblin whenever he lands a bad reforge is probably why he gives bad reforges
A lot more
the true eyes probably use attacks similar to those used by the true eyes in the ML fight, if i had to guess
....still unspecific
I really would prefer if he actually
said what the attacks are
accurate enough?
looks much better
speedrunning terraria
Yes that is much better
elemental axe doesn't make sense to exist
but it's good tho
It exists as an elemental summon
A Guide on Throwing Books
Early Hardmode Rogue weapon
❔ : A non-consumable weapon that throws a book which flies straight then falls at around 30 blocks. If it hits an enemy, the book explodes into a mass of paper and inflicts Papercut (which would be a debuff that causes an enemy to lose 3 health per second) to all enemies that get hit by the paper.
🛠 : 50 books + 5 Souls of Light + 5 Souls of Night + 5 Essences of Chaos @ Bookshelf
: Early hardmode lacks a non-consumable rogue weapon.
thoughts?
neat
imma post it now
@grand badger
Easy fix then. Thanks for the heads-up





