suggestions-discussion

[hollow shell]

same with Abyssal Tome

[sinful violet]

rejected for poor usage of the name

[dense girder]

I realise smh

125, term

[radiant meadow]

well, the wiki might be wrong

I think god slayer was wrong a while back

[hollow shell]

Abyssal Flames?

[dense girder]

brimstone flames does 40

[hollow shell]

Brimstone Flames is 40

yeah

[dense girder]

i don't think the scal upgrade of brim would do less

[hollow shell]

(well, again they're both identical against the player)

(both only do 16)

[radiant meadow]

I don't remember calamitas' brew doing 125 dmg per second

[hollow shell]

I'll double check.

[dense girder]

"If inflicted on an enemy: target loses 125 HP per second and 10 defense.
If inflicted on a player: target loses 16 HP per second."

[hollow shell]

Yep, right there in the code
npc.lifeRegen -= 125

[hardy wing]

Nice

[dense girder]

anyways

the weapon

ideas? i think it seems kinda bland imo, it's still no projectile

i don't know what i'd do for a projectile

[sinful violet]

Well here's an idea for a melee weapon which can't reach incredible speeds and has no projectiles postML- have it ignore iframes

[dense girder]

oh shit that's a good idea

thank ye

[ashen warren]

gilded proboscis weeps

[hollow shell]

Alright that's enough suggestions for one day
from you

3 in a row

[dense girder]

yeet

i'll go spam more in my own discord for tomorrow

[hollow shell]

Also it'd be a Post-ML spear

not Hardmode

[dense girder]

ah right

[ashen warren]

I tried my best, only to remind myself i can't sprite.

[young fog]

turwtle

[uneven anvil]

Feel like there needs to be more rogue accessories

[ashen warren]

Oh god it looks more like a turtle than what its supposed to

[dense girder]

you're putting too much emphasis on the centre and not blurring it

try for a sort of gradient from centre to limb tips

not a perfect one but as best you can get it

i don't know what you're trying with those circles but don't lol

[proven tide]

oh jesus fuck it's rpg type effectiveness

*muzzes in pokémon hngaheh it's time for elemental rock-paper-scissors

[alpine copper]

*pokemon suggestions intensify

[ashen warren]

Why

[sacred thorn]

me or him?

[alpine copper]

Why what?

[ashen warren]

Rock paper scissors is the most unoriginal concept in gaming

[hollow shell]

Add a reasoning for it

[ashen warren]

Shit has a carbon date

[sacred thorn]

doesnt overhaul already have the pokemon affect

[alpine copper]

Imagine that you want to kill calamiclone early, well she is fire......brimfire, well kill cryogen and get some ice stuff

[hollow shell]

I actually like your idea, System
You don't see many ammos that have high power in small quantities
almost all are crafted in bulk

By "add a reasoning" I meant to the suggestion itself, Red

[alpine copper]

Oh

[hollow shell]

yknow, ""

[alpine copper]

Ill just copy paste

[hollow shell]

Not a great reason but sure it works

[sinful violet]

Rover are you propagating the use of the emote rather than just saying “because”

[hollow shell]

I was sayin it cuz both the suggestions next to his use that emote

[sinful violet]

Ignore me I’m just some senile old man who gets confused by those each time I see them

[hollow shell]

The majority of time I've seen that emote have been in #suggestions-voting so I'm used to it.

[sinful violet]

Yeah

Still hasn’t caught on for me

Oh well

[eager palm]

you said hammer power but then you mention a tree

you do know hammers dont cut down trees right

[ashen warren]

I meant axe power oops

[runic mesa]

give it hammer and axe power, make it the ultimate tool

left click -pickaxe/axe
right click-hammer

[ashen warren]

true

[runic mesa]

or maybe a hammer version of it? 🤔

[ashen warren]

I think just bunching it up together into the crusher makes the most logical sense

[runic mesa]

yea

i would add the specification that hammer stuff and pickaxe/axe stuff would be on different buttons, as having both on 1 button would be interesting

detailed suggestions tend to do better from what i can tell

[hollow shell]

also

Grax

[molten hearth]

I've already made a suggestion for a new tool the same tier as crystyl crusher that has Pickaxe axe and Hammer Power all in one

[runic mesa]

switching tools does get annoying, and inv. space when making insane builds

i usually carry tons of blocks, and have minimal tools

[late leaf]

miniboss on minimap when

[hollow shell]

@pseudo juniper The insta-kill left and right fire-tornadoes exist to prevent the boss fight from being too easy
If they weren't there, running away would be a very effective strategy. You could get very far away from Yharon, avoiding a lot of his attacks with little effort because they don't happen near you. This is especially true for the normal fire-tornadoes, because they stay in one place

Yharon running away after the first battle, and you needing to fight him again, is kinda annoying. I will agree to that.
I suppose that's a feature in order to hype up Yharon more, and to make the actual final battle seem more climactic.

Unfortunately I don't think we can remove it at this point, because we have Darksun Fragments in that mid-Yharon tier, and there's a lot of balance surrounding that.

[delicate raft]

Terraria's not supposed to have logic

[hollow shell]

Yeah the "if he can summon insta-kill tornadoes, why doesn't he just kill you instantly every time" argument is not a good one
This is a video game

[vestal elbow]

actual final battle until SCal and eventually Yharim stop being superbosses
tho they might not like the insta-kill infernadoes because they're an instant kill, and not just an area limiter like SCal's arena

[hollow shell]

But the other arguments had some validity

[lost agate]

Its like getting scal to instakill people because she already does lots of dmg

Do that and you get people like me with 3k attempts

[ashen warren]

There is no sharpness in battle
The one part I can't understand . _.

[hardy wing]

My suggester has been terminated GG

[hollow shell]

From what I saw in that game he mentioned
"Ys: The Oath in Felghana"
I can kinda get what he's trying to say

That game looks very pattern based, movement patterns you can recognize/memorize and avoid
whereas Yharon has a lot of random elements, meaning you have to rely on cheaper strategies in order to guarantee your survival

I think that's what he's saying

[ashen warren]

Except yharon is incredibly skill-based.

Learning P2 is a big part

In fact, in order to win against him on DM you need to be mindful of where you're placing his 'nados

[vestal elbow]

Phase 2 was a crapshoot (on Revengeance lmao) compared to Phase 1
No more fuck off charges so you can just do circles around the arena and be mostly safe

[sleek wadi]

I got away with just making a super large circle against Yharon 2 in rev. It was still easier than Yharon 1 and I haven't even fought Yharon 2 seriously when I did the rev playthrough because my past experience with him was before the lifesteal nerf.

[ashen warren]

See, angery flame makes circle strat way less effective

Maybe it should be part of rev

Lots of weaving was required for my melee P2 yharon kill

"Summons an invincible Angery Flame in Phase 2, which attempts to ram the player while firing fast Homing Flare Dusts and Giga Flares for the remainder of the fight."

[proven tide]

Server suggestion: Add a system — be it a brief @ message in #suggestions-discussion or a full channel (#suggestion_report or similar) wherein a dev summarises the team's final verdict on suggestions that get reviewed in the dev server.
: It can be disappointing when a suggestion you worked hard on and really had faith in is given the same flat, automated ✅ response and never mentioned again, with no indication of what happened to the idea behind closed doors and why it (probably) didn't make it in (especially with item suggestions that get mass-starred due to having sprites attached). This can be particularly frustrating for users who make many suggestions that pass the star limit by leaps and bounds, only to vanish into radio silence. As such, this aims to provide some closure with a brief response regarding the fate of those suggestions that do make it to the server.

[sinful violet]

ye, we've had this a few times

[hollow shell]

smh how many times I gotta explain
Devs don't review suggestions in a systemized way every time a suggestion gets delivered

They get thrown in a big ole pile and sometimes devs see it and say "hey thats cool I like that" and sometimes sometimes they get in

[sinful violet]

the main issue is that we don't have time to go in depth on every suggestion

[unique vector]

assume that its been lost to the sea of death

and never seen again

[sinful violet]

we can only really pick out the ones which seem good

[unique vector]

ive made a decent adren rework that was sent to the dev server like, november

and no word since

[sinful violet]

you know what

[proven tide]

Yeah, and that's fair enough — the main idea is just that if something happens with your suggestion, you get to hear about it

[ashen warren]

Maybe that should be pinned somewhere? If it becomes more frequent I mean.

[sinful violet]

seeing how common this is, i might just make some pinned thing in suggestions so the people who frequent here can let others know without having rover tell em

[proven tide]

Not, like, 'every ✅ needs a review and subsequent report'

[sinful violet]

and yeah

[proven tide]

aight

[sinful violet]

Also, that just seems like the current "implemented" system

Since that's likely the only thing people would care about post suggestion

damn bot

oh well

[proven tide]

everyone star the suggestion so it goes to the dev server

[sinful violet]

hopefully that'll help

too late

[proven tide]

defeated again

[charred gate]

Thank you for the official comment/post about it, Mrrp.

[ashen warren]

There is some sort of calamity chest in #mod-announcements by the looks of it @winter tangle

[vestal elbow]

Astral chest

[sleek wigeon]

"add the thing already in announcements"

wot

[spiral olive]

Does that mean it can technically get a 🏁

[tired haven]

"has been officially accepted" that's a lie so nah

[spiral olive]

[sinful violet]

Could mean the crags biome though

[winter tangle]

Well, kek.

[rich inlet]

Could also be planetoid chest

which contains 1 damselfish lol sucks to be you

[winter tangle]

Well, it doesn't really make sense for it to be Astral infection, since it isn't in the world before WoF, and I doubt an Astral chest will just poof into existance after the WoF fight

[low remnant]

what do you mean? All the biome chests are permanently locked until Plantera is defeated

so if it is a biome chest, it can be for any of Calamity's ones

maybe even for the new one on display in #mod-announcements

[fossil torrent]

@winter tangle Hallowed has a biome chest even if it spawns after WoF.
also it’s confirmed to be astral

[low remnant]

epic

[winter tangle]

True, well guess I'm just stupid.

[low remnant]

rogue weapon in it? 👀

[ruby lintel]

Nah, just bones

[rich inlet]

Natural boss rate is already low enough

Tbh

[dense girder]

tbh i think the suggestions star limit (65) is too high

i agree that it makes sense because there's so many people here

but on the flip side, suggestions is an unpredictable channel, sometimes it moves fast and sometimes it moves slow

depending on when a suggestion is posted, during inactive or active hours, more people will see it and it's more likely to get more stars

probability isn't my strongest suit in maths but for a lot of suggestions, they're either so overwhelmingly good and make obvious that they get flooded with stars quickly

or they get swept up in the torrential stream of suggestions, to be forgotten

[sonic quest]

^

[dense girder]

i would suggest different star limits based on how complex the suggestion is

i.e. weapon = 40 stars, mob = 55, biome modification or large-scale boss AI changes or etc. = 65+

but on the other side that's probably a lot of stress to keep up for suggestions mods, you'd have to check every individual suggestion against each category constantly

tbh i think a more coherent system for this has to be figured out by a collective group of devs and contributors alike, one that doesn't just apply 65 stars to every suggestions (keep in mind, this would include small things like "This tooltip would work way better" or "Make ____ do this because it makes infinitely more sense and has no cons" suggestions which are far too small in content to require 65 stars) but one that makes it easier for everybody to get their suggestions out into the world with a good chance, not a chance based on luck, timing and studying the inactive/active hours of the server

[sacred thorn]

How about 66 stars because the bot puts a star down already

So 65 of those stars would be people’s opinions

[radiant meadow]

there's no real need for that

and it seems a bit arbitrary

[dense girder]

i disagree

judging every suggestion by the same amount of stars required is stupid in many ways

why does a small suggestion about giving a certain weapon or mob a small boost to balance it better have to get the same amount of stars that, say, a huge message detailing a creative new weapon would?

like i said, judging each suggestion individually is unrealistic and stressful

but it's worth it to figure out a better system

[radiant meadow]

I just meant there's no need to raise from 65 to 66

[dense girder]

[lost agate]

Regardless of how small the suggestion is, enough people have to agree with you

[dense girder]

starring your own suggestions should be mandatory don't @ me

[lost agate]

I mean "buff exoblade" is simple yes, but that doesnt mean it needs less stars

[dense girder]

"buff exoblade" is such a barebones suggestion it would be deleted by a mod

[lost agate]

Yeah but u see my point

[dense girder]

i guess

but if not to decrease the limit of stars

[lost agate]

Imagine how flooded dev chat would be

[dense girder]

then the bigger the suggestion, the more it should require, imo. not in terms of text amounts, but difficulty of coding or implementing.

[lost agate]

Star limit was raised because too many suggestion were sent

[dense girder]

that's my point

raise the star limit for select types of suggestions, the complex ones

[lost agate]

Uh that sounds unfair

[dense girder]

for example, a large suggestion suggesting an overhaul of the abyss would be stupid if it was sent with 65 stars, because it'd be a big change with a small amount of people added

but if you'd a suggestion sent with 204 stars, you'd tell people were very interested

example but i hope you understand me

[lost agate]

Like "more people need to agree with me to send something that isnt simple, but simple af suggestion take less effort and needs less stars?" Thats unfair imo

[dense girder]

just my thoughts

[rich inlet]

Large changes needs large amount of ppl to agree

[dense girder]

not unfair in my opinion; you want complex suggestions to have a lot of agreeing over them

[rich inlet]

But I don’t agree with the opposite tho

[dense girder]

again, only the really big suggestions would apply under this

new weapon with some fancy moves? still 65

a new complex miniboss for a biome with complicated-to-code attacks and unique AI? more than 65, i'd say 100 minimum

[lost agate]

Yeah but u see

All of that means nothing if it doesnt get implemented or not enough devs agree

Its not about people here, its about how many devs want to work on it

[dense girder]

???

Joyful Shucks Today at 16:29
Regardless of how small the suggestion is, enough people have to agree with you
Self-Contradiction 100

The purpose of what I'm saying is priorities

The more stars a suggestion that is not related to bug fixes gets, the more priority it should have for observing and judging if worthy to be worked on

If large suggestions get 65+ stars every other day, they just get pushed aside

But if large suggestions require more thought, effort and design to get more stars and thus even be sent at all, they're more worth looking at

This is like the popular vote in an election; the more people that give a star rather than not, probability deems that it's likely proportional to the quality of the suggestion and thus is worth judging more than other, smaller changes

[lost agate]

Yeah but like, people tend to just overlook big suggestions

Thus making it harder to get more stars

And also, no matter if they get more stars, dev may not implement it

[dense girder]

To say bigger = less attention is a wildly flawed rule that could not apply any less here, many people will and some won't, it's impossible to know

And yes, devs may reject it, but the purpose of what I'm saying isn't "if it has 200 stars it must be implemented"

[lost agate]

Idk man, im just saying its unnecesary

And saying it must be implemented is a bold asumption

[dense girder]

??? I just said that that's not what I'm saying ???

Again, I'd prefer to leave this to devs and Rover and whatnot

But I think this is worth a genuine, thought out discussion rather than just #suggestions-discussion banter between the devs

I could go into more detail seeing as using #suggestions-voting with Discord is flawed in itself and there are other, better alternatives but i'm tired and i want to do some more work on the EO wiki so

let's just agree to disagree and do our own shit

[lost agate]

Well, im not a dev but it aint convincing me, but thats just me

[runic mesa]

^

[novel pebble]

Not something Big-- But what do you guys think about giving Boss Rush bosses different names?
Such as Eye of Cthulhu > Eye of Azathoth. Golem > Titan. Queen Bee > Bee goddess.
It's something small, but It might give the boss rush a great feeling that you're challenging beings that became way stronger from the last time you fought them.

[tired haven]

"Hurrdurr calamity made 38 new bosses by giving them more hp and damage"

[novel pebble]

[untold gulch]

i dislike that idea

[novel pebble]

Can you explain why you dislike it?

[fossil torrent]

eye of azathoth

[delicate raft]

There is no great feeling in fighting bosses with different names only to get a rock

[untold gulch]

^^that

[fossil torrent]

Golem >

[novel pebble]

There will eventually be rewards

[ruby cobalt]

Golem > Golem

[frank stratus]

no no, tHE stone

[ruby cobalt]

[frank stratus]

anyways, i think the idea sounds okay, but i do agree with the rock having no use yet

[novel pebble]

Suggestion has nothing to do with the rock, but alright.

[frank stratus]

that's not the problem though, the others dislike it because you don't need new names for an event that has no use yet

[novel pebble]

Be it for the future then, and I don't think It's not needed because the event has no use yet

[past cape]

There will be proper rewards in the future

[delicate raft]

ye ik

[dense girder]

Oddi's on top of everything with these ocean suggestions

[hollow shell]

Nice

(refrain from posting more for a while cuz yknow)

[dense girder]

yeye it's been a day but that's all I had saved up in my other server

honestly at this rate I should just make my own ocean-based mod 👀

anyways my brain needs to rest so i'll let those sit for a while

[hollow shell]

Aight

And yeah you could make your own mod if you want
and have the willingness to learn how to mod (if you don't know already)

Prolly won't have the Abyssal Swordfish in it but the other stuff you could make work

[fossil torrent]

oddly fitting

[dense girder]

hehehe 😏 I am the fish man

I could make my own mod but christ I can't and don't particularly want to learn C#

my greatest experiences with coding are source on Wikia I'm a man with many ideas and not the skills to make them come true

[radiant meadow]

just make a sulphurous sea narwhal and submit it into the contest

[dense girder]

aw that reminds me of that old abyss doc i made

didja ever see it? probably not, it was last january

but it's still really epic let me grab it, it was an abyss overhaul i suggested with bidoof and szavak, still wish it'd come true

[hollow shell]

(There was another Abyss overhaul made by Inanis in the dev server around the same time
which also didn't get in due to being a probable fuckfest to code)

[dense girder]

Overhauls in general are fuckfests to code

Overhaul is a fuckfest to play

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rx9_6CcNStLkoUC76uEBBkydfLBWjQhnoZwTQQ_dKxA

[hollow shell]

hOH

[fossil torrent]

the word overhaul makes me feel deep inner pain

[hollow shell]

boy you need the sharable link

[dense girder]

it's not visible to you??

hech thanks goog

there we go

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rx9_6CcNStLkoUC76uEBBkydfLBWjQhnoZwTQQ_dKxA

[hollow shell]

there we go

[sinful violet]

We’ve suggested plenty of stuff like critters, yeah

It’s just been low priority basically.

[dense girder]

has there ever been an instance of a suggestion being sent with pre-made code and sprites attached?

[hollow shell]

I don't think so??

I want to say that I recall something like that happening

but

I don't know what that would be

[sinful violet]

I think the closest have been alterra’s sheets

That was before they were dev status, so yeah

[hollow shell]

Those weren't "suggestions" I don't think

[sinful violet]

Ah, true

Unless you’re being more loose on the “suggestions” term oddi, I don’t recall

[dense girder]

eh nevermind

just was wondering if having pre-made good quality sprites and working code would influence a suggestion's chance of addition

not that I can or will make either of those but good scenario

[hollow shell]

Having sprites greatly increases your suggestion's chance of getting delivered, regardless of whether the sprites are good or not

I don't think it influences the implementation chance any

Unless it's like amazing and we feel ashamed not having it in the mod after all that effort was put into it

[dense girder]

seems unfair but understandable why

ohohoh

[fossil torrent]

is that what happened huh

[dense girder]

writes up sob story about how i was influenced to create the narwhal suggestion after my entire extended family was impaled on one and devoured by critters leading me on a 4-year emotional journey

[hollow shell]

yeah Sequence made a suggestion to disallow sprites from being attached to suggestions, because there was such a clear bias towards all suggestions with sprites

hasn't seen the light of day yet but

I support it

[sinful violet]

I’d say so as well, yeah

[dense girder]

i think they should only be allowed for certain suggestions but not outright disallowed

like i'm getting sick of seeing new weapons with sprites every 2nd day

[hollow shell]

You could still attach images to explain things that are hard to describe through text

but just

try and mitigate the bias problem a bit...

[sinful violet]

There’s usually no point, since they’ll be delivered only for the devs to just turn it down because it’s actually just another “hahah bumblebirb staff” suggestion in disguise.

[fossil torrent]

who said exo gun

[sinful violet]

A lot of people.

Are you asking about recently

[fossil torrent]

way too many

[dense girder]

exo weapon sugge-- throws up

[hollow shell]

[signn...]

[fossil torrent]

oh yeah I still need to recolor tranq candle

[ashen warren]

Can we get an exo fishing rod?

[quick dove]

talking about fish, did no one yet suggest astral themed fish

[ashen warren]

To fish?

Or to fight

[quick dove]

to fish

right now you've got an giant infection going on that is said to infect even machines yet you can still fish bass there

[earnest raptor]

Sparkling Fishing Rod
60% fishing power
Have additional 25% to not use bait
Craft: 3 Core of Calamity + 100 Cobweb @ Mythril Anvil

[fossil torrent]

[dense girder]

fishing

nty fishing is practically redundant for most of HM+

[fervent zealot]

whynotexpandfishingthen

[earnest raptor]

Maybe some new fishes?

[fervent zealot]

give me a sec, gonna write up some ideas

[quick dove]

people only fish right now for either some fresh money in prehm and early hm, get hardmode ores and fight duke fishron
having a fishing expansion would be

[dense girder]

another boss you can fish up

🤤

KRAKEN BOSS

AAAAAAAAA

[ashen warren]

The hydra

[earnest raptor]

Glove of Magic Regeneration
On using it (12 use time), you will replenish 10 health from 24 mana. Applies a Backfire to 5 seconds from every use.
Sold by Wizard by 5 platinum
: Alternative and unique way to heal.

[alpine garnet]

Shouldn't it have an actual cooldown so you can't just spam it?

[earnest raptor]

No.

[alpine garnet]

?

You could just spam it to get back to full

[dense girder]

1. you can't decide stats on your own, remove them

2. 10 health for 24 mana??????

that's a pretty shitty healing tool

not to mention 5 s e c o n d c o o l d o w n

combined with the 5 platinum cost, you're looking at a grade-A shitty item

[quick dove]

im pretty sure eating a regen pot can heal your wounds faster than that and costs like 50 silver

[dense girder]

literally anything is better than that

on its own it needs no cooldown

say, 45 mana to 15 health

that's expensive but good

let me write it for you

[lavish kayak]

have there being suggestions that were implemented?

[dense girder]

yes, a few

the Great Sand Shark was a suggestion

[lavish kayak]

oohh

[earnest raptor]

say, 45 mana to 15 health
Your course is 3:1,while my is 2.4:1

[dense girder]

Warlock's Glove
❔ = On use, replenish some health by using a chunk of mana. Applies the Potion Sickness debuff when used (1-2 seconds?).
🛠 = Sold by the Wizard for 4 Platinum

@gusty geode that's pro-grind

[gusty geode]

You'd rather have to fight Skeleprime and a ton of Dungeon enemies for the materials?

[dense girder]

"Enemies have a chance to drop the medal/present" 1. it'd be very low if implemented, probably around the same rate as a Hallowed Key or similar

2. you'd have to grind the enemies for a small shot at getting it, in which time you could easily get the materials to make said items

[quick dove]

probably the same droprate as the mech boss summons

[dense girder]

Penguin really loves that gel 👀

[gusty geode]

You'd be grinding literally anywhere vs fighting a boss and grinding Dungeon enemies (which are a lot stronger than most of what you find in other places)
Might not seem like it but it's less work

Star is already gone

[dense girder]

on what?

[quick dove]

50 hp huh

seemsnice for a pre hm item i gues

s

[winter tangle]

I just think it's pretty useless as of right now.

[gusty geode]

Penguin's suggestion

[dense girder]

tbh i don't like this suggestions system at all, where it's easy for stuff to get buried smh we need something better

i think 50hp isn't enough for pre-hm

[winter tangle]

Really?

[dense girder]

150 gel to 10 health up to 100 extra health

that's my idea

[winter tangle]

Well it's more about the idea, not the numbers.

[dense girder]

this is an accessory

the numbers are the important part

[gusty geode]

Maybe have it affect Calamity Slimes if it doesn't already, and have it buff the spawn rate of Slimes in general for a pseudo Zen effect and ore grinding accessory in the late game

[quick dove]

i have the smol smol feeling that would be hard to code

[dense girder]

I'd say:
Royal Gel buff
❔ = Gain 10 health for every 150 gel in your inventory, up to 100 extra health. Summoned slimes do 2x damage. Slime spawn rates are boosted 2x.

[quick dove]

i mean im not a developer so i might be wrong

[gusty geode]

I think the way it works is that every spawn has a chance to be a particular enemy
Just lower the chances of non-Slimes spawning

[winter tangle]

I think they mean the slime health thing.

[gusty geode]

Oh, right

[dense girder]

hey y'all this is kind of offtopic but i have an audience of 3 people so listen up

[winter tangle]

Hm?

[dense girder]

PSA: use ❔, 🛠 and because they're good emotes for organizing your suggestions and making em look good

what it is, how to get it, why

[winter tangle]

Well, we can all agree the royal gel needs a buff, even though it's so early game, it's still an expert mode exclusive so it deserves a cool feature.

[frail mantle]

it does indeed

[gusty geode]

Passive Slimes isn't cool?
Think of his much easier it becomes to travel because almost nothing besides Slimes spawns during the day

[dense girder]

i think more items using the royal gel need to be made

it's a useful buff

but becomes redundant in about 20 minutes when you get better accessories

[ashen warren]

It's 100 gel and not 100 slime btw, might want to correct that

[dense girder]

no it isn't

[winter tangle]

Aaaa

[dense girder]

thank you

[winter tangle]

[unique vector]

yells from the back "get off your soap box"

[winter tangle]

"No, I like it here."

[hollow shell]

@gusty geode I'm not sure how effective that would be. Not a lot of suggestions outright break the rules (Death Mode item, Shadowspec item, big meme)
and if they do it's not hard to ping em to tell em why

Most of the questionable suggestions come from a lack of effort or fact checking, which wouldn't really be mitigated by forcing them to read the rules

[dense girder]

there should be a separate channel for big suggestions imo

when you have all these little suggestions

then some guy comes with AN OVERWHELMING BLOCK OF TEXT followed by a few more

[gusty geode]

^^^^^

[dense girder]

burying 100

[hollow shell]

Naaah little suggestions get through all the time
Big suggestions are supposed to be in docs anyway

[dense girder]

not huge suggestions like those

just big ones that take up a good 30-40% of the chat

those are p common

[winter tangle]

@fervent zealot just merge the crates into 1 wall of text

[hollow shell]

(that's not what you just said)

[dense girder]

eh fair enough

but scroll up a little and you'll see what i mean

[fervent zealot]

they're different suggestions, they're not going into one

[gusty geode]

Yeah, a separate channel for suggestions that do big things like completely overhaul something or add an entire line of weapons would be great

[dense girder]

i'd count big as like 9+ lines

[fervent zealot]

besides, multi-suggestionblocks are dissaproved of

[dense girder]

but not outright banned

there's your problem

speaking of big suggestion blocks

[fervent zealot]

someone could fucking hate cosmic crates but love calamitous crates, though

[dense girder]

do you see what i mean now, rov

[hollow shell]

How ironic, relevant meme :P
(in the rules pin)

[dense girder]

a good 85% of suggestions on screen before just zooped into another realm

#suggestions-voting and #large-suggestions honestly seems like a good idea if you ask me

[frail mantle]

not to me tbh

[hollow shell]

Nah imo that's superfluous

[dense girder]

that pretty much fixes burying

you could just say unnecessary

[hollow shell]

I really don't see much of a burying problem between small suggestions and big suggestions

tbh

(also jesus christ, these last 30 minutes)

[dense girder]

when you take a little, petite suggestion, maybe only 4 lines long

and you squeeze it in between some 7+ line beasts

[winter tangle]

I see French.

[dense girder]

it's gonna get dismissed as another blur of text

[hollow shell]

Boyyy I get what you see in theory but that's not what we're seein in practice

[dense girder]

i think i speak for quite a few people, not a majority, but quite a few, when i say they skim-read suggestions

not many people will take the time to individually read and carefully think about and analyse each individual suggestion

this is a lot of fucking probability maths here and I hate it

[frail mantle]

i look through all suggestions

[hollow shell]

Alternatively you could say that big suggestions wouldn't get starred because "tl;dr"
whereas you can quickly read an entire small suggestion and know if you want to star it or not

[dense girder]

but do you think about how they influence gameplay, how they're compatible with, say, armor sets or existing mobs, how they could break the game, if they exist already, how they could benefit or wreck the player?

that's what matters and i don't think more than 10 people in this whole discord actually think about each of those

those 10 being devs

[hollow shell]

So, balance

[dense girder]

Exactly, Rover, that's exactly what I'm saying

[gusty geode]

I think just having multiple suggestion channels, even if they aren't to sort, would do wonders
A new one comes in every few minutes and sometimes the top-quality ones get smothered in shit
Some extra breathing room would do wonders

[dense girder]

Big suggestions don't get read by some because they're big

Small suggestions don't get read by some because they get buried

Having a channel for big suggestions would be beneficial and would far outweigh the con of "urgh another channel on the side 😩"

[hollow shell]

@fervent zealot If you're about to suggest another crate I request that you delete your prior crates and put them all in a Google Doc instead

[untold gulch]

haha jokes on you i always read all the suggestions, buried or not

[dense girder]

ok but you can't speak for the 28k fuckin people in this discord can you

[untold gulch]

._.

[dense girder]

Libtard owned 😎

but do you see my point, rov?

[fervent zealot]

eugh ok sure i'll do that hold on

[dense girder]

szavaxposed

[hollow shell]

When there are unreads in a channel, it places you at the beginning of your unread messages instead of the bottom
So the "buried" suggestions are guaranteed to be at least seen

[dense girder]

Rover I have a lot of ideas and thoughts about the suggestions channels and I'm perfectly willing to debate them in calm, orderly manner, by the way

[hollow shell]

Unless you haven't visited #suggestions-voting in a long while

(also what made it seem like I doubted that?)

[dense girder]

Didn't think you did, just mentioning that I'm not trying to fight you or win here or anything

Anyways

I suppose you have a point, but keep in mind that there's a few mindsets people will naturally adapt to when they go to #suggestions-voting

Small suggestion readers, big suggestion readers, or both

[gusty geode]

Even assuming they stay long enough to be seen and they probably do do they stay long enough to be properly judged by enough people?

[hollow shell]

"stay"?

[dense girder]

Now being both means you can leisurely read through the channel as it is, ez pz, see what you like

But if you visit the channel infrequently, and there's walls upon walls of big suggestions, small suggestions, holy fucking shit

[earnest raptor]

I have some througt

[dense girder]

It makes it much harder and you skip through all of it

[earnest raptor]

Nobody read docs.

[dense girder]

Relevant means stay, as in, on-screen

[earnest raptor]

nobody

[gusty geode]

Some suggestions may not get enough stars not because they're bad but because they're buried too quickly

[frail mantle]

people do read docs

[hollow shell]

I have a big doubt about that, Bobylev

Many docs get delivered

[dense girder]

trash

my abyss doc got 100+ stars

i think people fuckin read it

Relevant you have a fantastic point and also a main one

let me just weigh the pros and cons here

[earnest raptor]

🤔

Really?

[dense girder]

or smth like that idkr

but it got a fucking lot

[frail mantle]

if "nobody" read docs, then none of the docs that were ever posted here would get more than like 5 stars in a week.

[quick dove]

did suggestions get deleted

[hollow shell]

@fervent zealot Include a summary of what the suggestion is in your message

and yes

[quick dove]

oh wait no

ah

ok

[dense girder]

Pros: A new channel means that big suggestions are separated from small ones, so burying is much less frequent in #suggestions-voting and those who do want to see big suggestions can just go to #large-suggestions. Burying would not likely occur here because the big suggestions would be in blocks that people would read invidiually, knowing and expecting large details.
Cons: There's another channel in the sidebar (how tragic), and perhaps it might be a bit harder to watch over both channels.

And this is more of a sub-conscious thing and really a theory

But I theorise that bundling in suggestions of all sizes just throws dividing lines between suggestions and usernames and all everywhere and it becomes annoying to look at

[gusty geode]

I mean, it has to be seen by 65 people minimum, one of which needs to be a mod or higher, then tracked down by a dev to be sent to the server
By then another hundred suggestions could have come and gone that's probably an exaggeration but the point stands

[dense girder]

Just a theory™

^ This is a bigger problem than just suggestion sizes tbh

[hollow shell]

Nah relevant that mod/cooldude rule isn't a thing anymore

well

[dense girder]

Screen resolutions, window resolution, mobile or PC, and more

[hollow shell]

unless you count the grey exclamation thing?

[gusty geode]

Ye

[hollow shell]

Mods (or me) are required to do that though and it hasn't been a problem yet

Also suggestions don't really have to be tracked down to be delivered because after a certain amount of time, they stop receiving stars

[dense girder]

I think we should discuss this with other devs and mods, Rover. I'm not trying to win, or force my ideals on to the server, but I truly think this would be largely beneficial to have and I want to discuss it with some others.

[hollow shell]

It's not worth it to scroll back a few months to see what reached the star requirement for that point in time, because chances are they've only received 1 or 2 more stars in those few months

[dense girder]

Szavak did you just use a whole goddamn line for "and"

[hollow shell]

Because they're two suggestions

[fervent zealot]

proper spacing is important to make suggestions not suck major ass

[dense girder]

at least make it look cool smh

like ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

what do you think, rover?

[frosty kindle]

he doesn't have to in order to get the point across, though style gives bonus points

[dense girder]

^ good-looking suggestions have a better chance of stars

[fervent zealot]

brb making it ** a e t h s t e t i c **

[dense girder]

aethstetic

[quick dove]

inb4 messes whole document because magic reasons

[fervent zealot]

doc doesn't get shit, doc is fine

[hollow shell]

Also
Having two unrelated suggestions in one message isn't a problem in terms of delivery, however it is a problem in terms of what people are starring

[fervent zealot]

other suggestion gets *** A N D ***

[gusty geode]

I can't help but wonder if fab saw our little debate

[frosty kindle]

i mean my post-sentinels RNG yoyo wasn't the best, but i highlighted what was important and it got sent to the dev server (though it hasn't gone in yet, i'd assume its stuck in limbo or has been postponed)

[hollow shell]

Of course not, why would he?

[dense girder]

rOVER do you want to dISCUSS this with some devs

[fervent zealot]

when it's tiny little things like this i usually stick in multiple suggestions

[dense girder]

aND dANNY probably

[hollow shell]

I do not feel like this is much of a problem

I feel like
this is an overreaction

[earnest raptor]

Death Star Book
❔ : teleports you in two seconds to last death point as cost of 100 mana
🛠 : 65 Blood Orb + Magic Mirror + 15 Fallen Stars
: Sometimes is pretty annoying on every death time run into arena/money/items.

[dense girder]

It's not an overreaction

It's a suggestion

😎 and one for the greater good

[hollow shell]

Those things are not mutually exclusive, Odditer

[dense girder]

I'll just suggest this whole debacle myself then

[hollow shell]

Also yes I approve, Trashbox
Except reduce the amount of Blood Orbs because that's ridiculous

[quick dove]

200 blood orbs no why

[hollow shell]

maybe like
80
if you still want it to be a lot

[untold gulch]

200 is too much
i need my potions you know

[dense girder]

alchemistnpc

[hollow shell]

50 at minimum

[untold gulch]

screw you i dislike that mod

[quick dove]

wait isnt there already a potion for this

[dense girder]

alchemistnpc content disabler

[frosty kindle]

AlchNPC lite exists

[dense girder]

yeah that

[frosty kindle]

but even then Calamity did a meme and screwed over the potion prices (good!)

like 5x price for potions afaik

[untold gulch]

i dislike that as well
i already have two ways to get potions
why should i have a third and easier one if i like to grind

[fervent zealot]

do potion prices matter when i've slaughtered more queen bees than most people have seen regular bees

[frosty kindle]

ultimately yields less potions but still viable

[earnest raptor]

@hollow shell okay, 65

[hollow shell]

weirdly specific but yeah sure

[frosty kindle]

aren't a lot of items oddly specific in ingredient counts?

[hollow shell]

I suppose..

[frail mantle]

anyway, is there anything that should be improved with my suggestion?

[fervent zealot]

it should use the fargo mutant sprite

[hollow shell]

We sure do have a lot of ways to inflict Ichor, huh?

But, the suggestion seems okay
Only way I could think of improving it is making it easier to read, s'a lot of plain text
But that's a bit of a minor gripe

[dense girder]

@hollow shell Sorry for the ping but could you add me as a friend? I'd like to DM you about this further

[hollow shell]

I don't have DMs disabled to non-friends

(I think)

[dense girder]

I checked, I believe you do

Or it might be me hold on

It's you, yeah

[hollow shell]

[sinful violet]

nice

[dense girder]

what the fuck

[sinful violet]

large cranium perhaps

[dense girder]

I had the wrong switch off lmfao ok it was my bad all along

[ashen warren]

Would being able to summon the skeletron in hell be an option, similar to how WOF is fought?

[hollow shell]

Why?

[ashen warren]

Cuz sacrifice.

[gusty geode]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's the same guy who asked for bosses dropping a non-consumable version of their summoning item on the first kill
Death is supposed to have consequences, even if said consequences are just a walk back to where you died

[radiant meadow]

but like, stat caps are needed more as you progress

[hollow shell]

@reef mountain Stat caps are pretty much balanced around the end of the game

Also, we don't have many stat caps anymore
Lemme see which ones we still have...

[radiant meadow]

dr, life regen

[hollow shell]

DR is always soft-capped, Melee Speed is always hard-capped,
Life Regen is soft-capped in Rev, I-Fames are hard-capped in Rev

[radiant meadow]

o yeah, melee speed and i frames

[reef mountain]

it would make no sense to have the current max life regin in pre-hardmode, don't you think so?

[hollow shell]

I mean, yeah

But where's the problem here?

[reef mountain]

its just strange, and slightly limiting, to have the caps stay the same throughout progression.

[frail mantle]

i'm assuming that if the caps are balanced around endgame, you'll have problems hitting those caps pre-ML without other mods or something

[hollow shell]

Or unless you focus most of your build towards one of the capped stats

[reef mountain]

well you can hit the melee speed cap pre-plantera if you try, and the dr cap if you wear a frozen turtle shell +endurance pot

[lost agate]

Melee speed cap is easy to hit because of how absurdly broken it is

Look at dem 2 seconds doggo kill with stellar striker

[reef mountain]

and dr?

[hollow shell]

They're capped for a reason

[reef mountain]

it's unbelivably difficult to use frigid bulwak currently due to dr cap

[lost agate]

DR is capped because of 100% DR memes

[hollow shell]

If you want to suggest that the caps be raised, provide some good reasons for it and make a suggestion

The suggestion to make them change throughout the game is a bit strange, and also you didn't provide any reasoning for it in the suggestion itself

[reef mountain]

solar armor+ endurance pot =hit cap
frigid bulwok+endurance pot=cap
beetle armor=way past cap
permafrost's concotion+absorber=cap.

see the problem?

[fervent zealot]

beetle armor is separate

solar is also separate

[reef mountain]

you sure?

[fervent zealot]

yes, it's dr that doesn't stack normally with the other shit

[hollow shell]

It is a soft cap, so there's still an effect after the cap is reached
however the effect is heavily reduced

[reef mountain]

ten times...

[hollow shell]

and yeah some "damage reduction" isn't counted towards the same "damage reduction" that is capped

Which is
inconvenient

[reef mountain]

i know silva armor's isn't affected by the cap, but that set increases dr by only 5% not sure about the other two.

[hollow shell]

Abyssal Diving Suit and Siren's Heart are also separate

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Defense#Damage_Reduction_Boosts

[reef mountain]

but still, there are far too many things that grants dr affected by the cap.
maybe convert extra dr to defense?

[gusty geode]

Defense apparently means nothing on the higher difficulties

[hollow shell]

Naah it's still okay in big quantities

[frail mantle]

^

[fervent zealot]

only problem is dia keeps getting all the good defense stuff nerfed with luigi%

[frail mantle]

the problem with defense is that since it is flat damage reduction it counts less the more damage enemies do

[reef mountain]

it's still better than the 'ten times more useless' cap we currently have.

like seriously, why make warding boost dr if it's going to mess with the cap?

[hollow shell]

Because more DR is always good to have

Makes Warding more useful late-game

[reef mountain]

yes, 0.1% more dr certainly makes a difference.

[frosty kindle]

stacking more DR can help a lot

and no, raising DR cap makes things cheeseable with 99% DR memes

[reef mountain]

not if it can't reach 1%

[hollow shell]

I see that you've suggested raising it yesterday
If it doesn't reach 65 in a week, then you can repost it if you feel so passionately

[gusty geode]

Why is there a cap on dr anyway
It's the mod's own fault if someone can block out 100% of damage

[reef mountain]

the problem is, the cheese's problem is comparatively small compared to the 'cap wayyy to low' problem

[hollow shell]

Relevant wtf

The cap exists to prevent you from blocking out 100% of damage

[gusty geode]

I don't know much about game design but I don't think it should get to that point in the first place
How'd that happen

[hollow shell]

You can't get to that point because there's a cap

[reef mountain]

being unable to drink endurance potions while wearing frigid bulwak is stupid

[gusty geode]

[reef mountain]

maybe make endurance pots count as 'special' dr?

and let's not forget solar armor's 30% dr boost.
that counts as normal dr.

[gusty geode]

What's the cap anyway, 50%? 75%? Even without mods there are ways to pass that

[reef mountain]

33%

like, tfk?

[hollow shell]

Okay

[runic mesa]

i feel blocking 1/3 of the damage is fine. you got hit in the first place

[reef mountain]

but most calamity bosses hit 1/3 more than vanilla bosses.

e.g leviathan

[hollow shell]

I get that you're not backing down or whatever
But there's not much convincing you can do in #suggestions-discussion

You've already posted your suggestion like 20 hours ago
You can repost in a week if it doesn't reach 65

I dunno what else to say

[gusty geode]

Who is that directed at

[hollow shell]

terrarium

He posted a suggestion to raise the DR cap yesterday

[runic mesa]

look, if you got hit, you should be punished. and plus it always felt unfair to have all the DR in vanilla, and if there wasnt a cap period, 100% DR might be possible then through a series of stuff. and if calamity stuff hits so hard, then anything, even a decimal of a percent, should help

[gusty geode]

33% is nothing tho
I'm betting you can get that much pre-hardmode

[jovial spire]

Yeah you can get 33% in pre HM

[runic mesa]

i found DR more useful in the late game anyway, and its not even a hard cap, so you can still raise it

just alot slower

[jovial spire]

Add Tissue Samples/ Shadow Scales to the Caustic Edge crafting recipe or nerf Caustic edge
: Caustic Edge is overpowered as it can be obtained pre boss, really isnt too hard to make (Blade of Grass, a bucket of lava, and 5 deathweed at a demon alter), and does over 40 damage, which cam easily be bumped up to over 55 with proper gear and reforges. Thats powerful enough to 1 to 3 hit a majority of Pre HM enemies.

[hollow shell]

Tissue Sample*

[jovial spire]

sorry i was thinking i didnt need it because i was thinking Tissue scales for some reason

[hollow shell]

No it's just Tissue Samples

not Bloody Tissue Samples

[runic mesa]

i'd like it

[radiant meadow]

probably got it confused by mixing up the boc and perf drops

I think Perfs are Blood Samples iirc

[jovial spire]

^

[hollow shell]

yeah

Alright sure seems like a good suggestion

I assume it is the way it is cuz you wouldn't typically have access to lava pre-boss

[jovial spire]

I got it in the first hour and its carried me to hive mind so i figured id suggest it

[hollow shell]

Aight

oh
"can* easily"

says "cam"

[jovial spire]

Just fixed that right before you said it

[hollow shell]

lol

[gusty geode]

Only to Hive?
Damage like that should be able to get you all the way to Hardmode

I mean, Blade of Grass is a material for it, and that by itself carried me all the way
Its upgrade should be able to do the same

[jovial spire]

well im only at hive right now

this is the first time ive tried caistic edge

[reef mountain]

i used crusher blade for that part of the game(even if you're pre-scourge you should be able to get 5 scale/sample for it).

[runic mesa]

i use the phoenix blade early HM. its so big

[ashen warren]

Oh my, some spicy suggestions when I got on
Critters and stuff are a wildlife mod thing, not calamity. Besides, calamity is about how life dun got fucked by Yharim.
Upgrading the golden fishing rod is entirely unnecessary, especially since the supreme whatever exists.
Any way to heal using mana tends to be really strong, especially since you don't need to wait a full minute for healing and as such have continuous and not burst healing.
Royal gel is a building accessory, however it should make you immune to all calamity slimes.
G-Virus sounds OP as fuck, however transformation items are neat.
Another crate suggestion smh.
Death port items exist in imk and thorium for now, I'm not sure if it should be part of calamity tbh.

raise stat caps
No
Caustic edge strong
Caustic edge is outclassed by the seashell boomerang in usefulness, it's fine rn.

[frail mantle]

which part of the G-Virus sounded op?

just wondering how i could improve my suggestion

[unique vector]

i dont understand what raising stat caps mean

they arent fixed

they are softcaps

so that makes the suggestion entirely irrelevant

[ashen warren]

"the player has increased to all stats, more so to damage reduction and damage than the other stats, and their attacks (including minions and sentries) inflict Ichor"

[unique vector]

if im making sense here

oh wait not proficiency

[hollow shell]

wh

[unique vector]

there are stat caps to the player?

[hollow shell]

Yes

?

[unique vector]

i completely thought it was referencing to levels, my bad lol

[hollow shell]

It's not

wait

yeah it's not

[unique vector]

i should probably sleep

[ashen warren]

All of it, calamity specifically removed massive multi-stat accessory power by making them a lot less multi-stat.

Ichor pre-hm is super strong imo

Melee would suffer way less against WoF

[hollow shell]

It's not Pre-HM

[frail mantle]

my thought was that the Mutant Form would just grant a minor stat boost to all stats, and it would boost damage and DR only slightly more than the others

[ashen warren]

Legit I thought it said "Rare drop from the Perforators in Pre-Hardmode."

[frail mantle]

[ashen warren]

Still pretty strong since perf and HM don't get buffed

Multi-stat accessories are always good

Look at community

[sleek wadi]

Community is good because it is the best multistat. The issue with multistats is that their viability depends solely on how good other multistats are.

Dark Sun Ring is shit because it doesn't have better stats than other multi-stats.

[ashen warren]

However this would be the first multi-stat

This then community

[sleek wadi]

First multi-stat you can get in Calamity is Sunstone due to shrines.

It may be conditional, but you can still get it.

[ashen warren]

That one I tend to not use because lots of bosses are night-only and it's pretty hard to find by the time you can get better single-stat accs

Aero stone outclasses it imo since it's frog leg + a tiny bit of damage and crit

Anyway, if the stats are equal to this then it's really strong for essentially a 0 risk grind.

nice, forgot context for stats
Professional suggester here don't mind me.

[frail mantle]

tbh the perforators/hive mind should be buffed in Hardmode since they're easy with Hardmode gear and can be bullied to death to get ichor/cursed flames if you don't want to tackle Hardmode corruption/crimson enemies

[ashen warren]

That would make sense, they even get a massive power boost lorewise

WoF releases the souls of light and dark et cetera

[frail mantle]

imma go suggest that real quick

[late leaf]

Yyyyyy thouggh

[ashen warren]

Uh, wrong server?

[late leaf]

Shouldn't bosses be easy after a while

[ashen warren]

..That argument doesn't hold water.
All bosses are easy once you get past their tier, even if it's been buffed like post-prov rav

[late leaf]

Okiiiii

[quick dove]

what do you mean

post yharon players can somehow have difficulties against buffed rav

[ashen warren]

..Then they're bad

[late leaf]

I don't like boss being buff++-

[sonic quest]

Shouldnt astrum A get buffed too then

Dude drops so many fragments and hes one of the easier HM bosses

[frail mantle]

he gets buffed post-ML though

[sonic quest]

He does? I didnt notice

[quick dove]

he does, he starts droping lunar frag aswell

[sonic quest]

Yes thats what im referring to

[ashen warren]

Ok @late leaf , firstly talk like a human.
Secondly, you haven't said anything other than you don't like it

Please actually have a good argument

[frail mantle]

he has about 640000 health in Rev+ post-ML

[ashen warren]

Aureus near oneshots you post-ml

And that ^^

[sonic quest]

I see

[quick dove]

fun fact

aureus' planet thingies he shoots can deal about 300 dmg

[sonic quest]

I dont think he has those on normal

[frail mantle]

holy fuk he has 120 defense

even before ML

[ashen warren]

Aureus spawns are all-mode

[sonic quest]

To me he was just like a big crab who falls off platforms all the time

[ashen warren]

Oh you play normal

Yea normal is really easy, no wonder.

[sonic quest]

The only challenge so far has been providence onwards

First time on the mod with friends so I wanted to avoid death mode and whatnot

[ashen warren]

Multiplayer.. maybe that's why it didn't create aureus spawns

Multiplayer buggy af

[sonic quest]

😔 we know..

[ashen warren]

fuck, offtopic

[gusty geode]

Would it be a meme to suggest a mode that makes you fight two of a boss simultaneously when you summon one

Because it sounds like fun a different sort of a challenge from what's already out there, but the simple concept makes it sound like a meme

[earnest raptor]

@ashen warren about death port items:

1. In imk this is consumable.
2. In throrium this is accessible only in Post-Plantera and are very limited.

[vestal elbow]

and if there would be a death port item it'd need to inflict Chaos State for like 1 second
no abyss cheese

[dense girder]

do y'all think a time rewinding item would be a possibility to code

i have a good idea for it but idk if it's possible, doesn't seem impossible though

[hollow shell]

Pretty sure that's impossible

If you mean like
rewinding the actions of the last X seconds

If you mean just changing the time of day, then that is possible yes

[dense girder]

I mean the former 😔

[hollow shell]

Yeah nuh uh

[dense girder]

do you know C# rov

actually no

this is more of a game engine problem than a C# coding issue

hmm fuck

[reef mountain]

a NO isn't a very good arguement.
dr capping at 33% and melee speed 30% ruins a lot of builds.

[hollow shell]

Builds that would have been broken otherwise

[reef mountain]

yes, hallowed armor+sake is very broken.

[late leaf]

Pls no ping --

[hollow shell]

Okay I won't then

[late leaf]

no no I talking about sequence guyy

[reef mountain]

i have no problem with being slightly overpowered, terraria is a sandbox, you're supposed to play in any way you like.

[sleek wadi]

Melee speed actually breaks things, the cap is there for a reason.

[reef mountain]

but 30%???

[sleek wadi]

Melee speed gets too high? Yo-yos don't work anymore.

[hollow shell]

^ this is true

They instantly retract

[reef mountain]

just unequip whatever you're equiping.

[sleek wadi]

I also imagine that enough melee speed could break every melee.

[reef mountain]

a 120% cap is more sensible imo.

[sleek wadi]

Yoyos break above 30%, no.

[hollow shell]

Also it is as low as it is for a reason beyond that
It was possible to kill late-game bosses in seconds by using massively fast true melee weapons

[reef mountain]

sake and shadow armor is enough to break it, currently.

that's not too fast is it?

[hollow shell]

It was even possible to get those quick kills at relatively low caps
it was set at 30% after a lot of testing

[dense girder]

DIO's Best Friend - Post-ML Accessory
"I reject my death, Yharim!"
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
❔ = A fluffy white teddy bear. When held, grants the user a passive speed boost in exchange for a small portion of defense. Its main ability is that when the player is hit with something that would otherwise kill them, once per life, they are revived to 75% health and 50% mana, gain the Invincible and Cadance buffs, and all enemies within a large radius are inflicted with the Dazed debuff.

The downside: when this effect is activated, all of its previous effects are removed, and you will also gain the Blindness debuff and lose health rapidly while it is still equipped, turning it into the DIO'S Victim item. To re-gain the positive effects of this item, you must make a new one from scratch. Effect does not stack with Silva Armor set bonus.

🛠 = Created at an Ancient Manipulator w/ Bars of Life, Bloodstone, Silk and White Dye
(would be highly expensive to create -- ~10 Bars of Life and ~35 Bloodstone?)

= An item that can undo the effects of death and grant temporary invincibility would be very useful to have in certain fights and would definitely be an interesting item to use.

what y'all think

my only worry is that Dazed might not work on enemies, no way of knowing seeing as it's not utilised even in Vanilla yet (still exists in the code though)

[hollow shell]

I assume this doesn't work every time

Just once per life?

[dense girder]

Once per life seems like a good addition

the flip side is that this would be very expensive to make

[hollow shell]

Yeah cuz if it wasn't once per life, you'd never die :P

[dense girder]

ah fuck

i removed an important bit

hold on

[hollow shell]

And yeah it seems pretty powerful huh

[dense girder]

Re-read it now

It can be used once per life but once used it becomes a detriment and you need to make a new one

I assume that's just item replacing code

shouldn't be too hard I don't think

[hollow shell]

You may even want to say what it turns into after activation
like "DIO's Victim"

so that it's easier for the player to see that it's soiled

[dense girder]

Oooh that's a good idea

Oh hold on i'mma research something real quick

[reef mountain]

@hollow shell again, these are problems with extremists, maybe cap TRUE MELEE weapons' speed at 30%

and yo-yos.

[hollow shell]

Unfortunately the exploiters affect everyone

It's easier to set an all-encompassing cap and not have to define what is and isn't affected by the cap
as new strategies and bugs are discovered

[sleek wadi]

Melee speed effects all weapons. I don't want to know what a bunch of melee speed does to Ark of the Cosmos

Er, all melee weapons.

[reef mountain]

why was overpowered builds banned anyway? aren't calamity a sandbox?

[sleek wadi]

Because of balance.

[hollow shell]

We want our bosses to have difficulty

[sinful violet]

thats like saying "why can't we start minecraft with prot 4 diamond armor"

[fervent zealot]

you can though

[reef mountain]

one word is not very convencing.

[hollow shell]

A normal person shouldn't have to handicap themselves to get the recommended level of difficulty for a boss

[sinful violet]

shutup szav

:(

[fervent zealot]

you ruined my life, time to go to sleep

[hollow shell]

If there's a strategy you can use to beat the boss with literally no problem, of course people are going to use it
and then people are going to say the boss was easy.

[reef mountain]

but ruining builds is another matter.

ruining builds at such a level.

[dense girder]

@late leaf remember to post suggestions here before there if you would like feedback

[late leaf]

Whyy

[hollow shell]

For feedback

[dense girder]

So you don't make a stupid suggestion that embarrasses you

[hollow shell]

to make sure the suggestion is good before you post it

yeah

[late leaf]

I don't even want to post snythingpp

[sleek wadi]

But the builds aren't ruined. They still function just fine, they just can't snap the entire game in 2.

[hollow shell]

Okay..?

[dense girder]

so why are you typing?

accident probably

my bad

[hollow shell]

And yeah not a lot of builds are ruined by the caps
I'm sorry if your builds get hindered by it, terrarium
but just... come up with different builds.

[lunar berry]

good suggestion

but

people can just farm for hours can have an infinite supply of those

latest suggestion

[hollow shell]

Yeah but then you gotta farm for hours :P

[dense girder]

^

[young fog]

but it was I, Dio!

[dense girder]

when i say expensive

i mean like, 70-80 bloodstone for one, here

haha yes

it's a rare but enjoyable occurrence when you can make two references simultaneously

Dio's Best Friend from Risk of Rain and

Dio Brando and DIO

[hollow shell]

Is the Risk of Rain item not a jojo reference?

[sinful violet]

we could make a banana gun

[dense girder]

No, iirc, Dio is death

in spanish or a diff lang or sm lemme check

[hollow shell]

Nah

God

[reef mountain]

the 'legendary' prefix is now almost identical to godly, practically everything that boosts speed is useless, especially bloody worm scarf and the gauntlets, celestial shell is affected, sake and even food is affected.
err, what am i suppose to use?

[hollow shell]

oh dios mio

[dense girder]

God that's it ty

...

ZA WAR--

ah it actually has a used version too

did they update the game? i think so

[hollow shell]

Uh
Things that boost literally any other stat

(except DR) :P

[dense girder]

"The name Dio is a reference to Duncan Drummond's cat. He is one of the developers of Risk Of Rain. This can be found under the "Team Section" on the official site.[3]
It could also be a reference to the popular villain from the series "Jojo's Bizarre Adventure" and his ability to both be immortal and freeze time.
"Dio" is also the italian word for "God".
Upon getting it, an achievement will appear, "sole survivor". This is a reference to Dio's song, Holy Diver where both Duncans cat and JOJO gets their reference from."

[reef mountain]

like?
the only truly melee accessory that doesn't boost speed is warrior emblem.

[hollow shell]

damage

[dense girder]

(last line: dio is a reference to Ronnie James Dio)

[hollow shell]

(which DIO is probably a reference to)

(knowing Araki)

[dense girder]

(yeah jojo loves a good music ref lol)

actually

[hollow shell]

Terrarium, you can still use the items for their other stats

[dense girder]

if RoR wanted Dio's Best Friend to be a truly faithful jojo reference

it should've been a dog

[hollow shell]

just because they ineffectually boost one stat doesn't make the entire item shit

also

oof

[reef mountain]

well, yes, on the note on the boody worm scarf or mechanical gauntlet, or celetial stone or sake.

or hallowed armor or cobalt armor

or solar armor

[hollow shell]

What about them?

[ashen warren]

With current melee speed you can still facetank and kill polter in DM with stellar

[hollow shell]

They do things other than melee speed, you know

[reef mountain]

they're pretty darn bad without the speed boost.

[hollow shell]

A lot of things

[reef mountain]

compared to warrior emblem, that is.

also no you can't, it only shoot 1 projectile now.

[ashen warren]

Damage and crit is what you stack, melee speed was broken

Update isn't out yet

[reef mountain]

huh...

[ashen warren]

It's still 50% iirc

[reef mountain]

and dr?

[hollow shell]

What?

[reef mountain]

asking Sequence.

[ashen warren]

DR I forgot

[reef mountain]

is it 33% still?

[ashen warren]

Ask sors the wiki administrator

[reef mountain]

oh.

is dr on expert 33%, or is the update yet to be out?

[hollow shell]

@wise olive Fixed next update

#changelogs #62 for this update

And, let me check

[ashen warren]

"Damage reduction is soft capped at 33%. Any amount exceeding the cap will be 90% less effective."

There, I checked the wiki for you

[reef mountain]

this update as in the upcoming version or the current one?

[ashen warren]

Wiki uses current

Duh

[hollow shell]

I was talking to AngryLlamaBaby with the changelogs thing

I will actually check the source for the caps

[reef mountain]

the wiki says melee speed is 30% hardcap.

[wise olive]

Cant wait for the next update so i can freely use my illustrious knives awa

[hollow shell]

Mhm
So, your suggestion isn't necessary

[wise olive]

Shall i remove it or

[hollow shell]

Yeah, best to.

[wise olive]

Uf cant do it on mobile

[reef mountain]

so is the speed cap currently 30% or 50%???

[wise olive]

Oh i did it

[ashen warren]

30 according to fab. it was raised to 50% as a test for one of the updates but it was op so nerf

Same update that removed eidolon cheese iirc

[reef mountain]

eidolon cheese is still possible if you use the slimy saddle invincibility trick, i think.

[ashen warren]

Wyrm uses DoG DM head instakill mechanics iirc

[gusty geode]

With all the harder modes this mod adds, I had always wanted an easy mode to compliment
Maybe a mode where all the limits were removed would work for that?

[hollow shell]

wait wdym "according to Fab"

[ashen warren]

Search from fabsol 30%

Normal mode is easy mode

[reef mountain]

also, can't melee speed be only capped for true melee weaps?

cuz melee is getting underpowered.

[ashen warren]

Melee is the best scal class

Melee excels in HM

[gusty geode]

only because it isn't actually melee most of the time

[ashen warren]

Melee is only "weak" pre-hm

[young fog]

melee suffers against scal compared to the other classes

[reef mountain]

the problem is, hallowed armor and cobalt armor and beetle armor is basically useless.
solar is also severely damaged, though not as much.

[ashen warren]

Not according to nohitters destroyer

That's because they're vanilla

[gusty geode]

Yeah
Beetle by itself can get you up to 75% DR
That's over double what Calamity allows

[wise olive]

~biome blade should’ve stayed phm hue~

[ashen warren]

On-hit effects from ataxia deal lots of damage

[reef mountain]

beetle raises it to 45%, gotta currect you there.

[hollow shell]

Beetle Armor DR is separate from normal DR iirc

Yes it is.

[gusty geode]

I used the shell, unless it got nerfed in vanilla 1.3 it was 75% with 3 beetles

[hollow shell]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316285389310525441/500428736626163715/unknown.png

(not my screenshot, I don't use light theme)

but yeah, ^

[reef mountain]

ok.

so solar armor is now stronger than auric tesla armor...

[sinful violet]

what

[ashen warren]

That's a lie

[hollow shell]

Use it on SCal, try it.

[reef mountain]

auric buffs it by 5%...

[dense girder]

ow my eyes

[sinful violet]

no but

[ashen warren]

DR doesn't equal strength

[sinful violet]

look here alright

not everything is based around facetanking with true melee

[ashen warren]

The best DR is more damage

And dodging

[wise olive]

You cant even do scal true melee kek

[reef mountain]

i never use true melee.

[hollow shell]

Yeah lol it's impossible

(unless you're very very patient I guess, waiting for her to dash)

[sinful violet]

brothers too

for now at least

[hollow shell]

Oh yeah

that would make it impossible

[wise olive]

Gotta pump out the deeps in the 10 frames you get

[sinful violet]

tbh

[reef mountain]

no, as in, i never use this type of weapon.

[wise olive]

Grand guardian is an amazing weapon though

[hollow shell]

It's p sweet

[gusty geode]

the lore guy is here, perfect time to ask if my suggestion for a timeline was seen

[wise olive]

Honestly my fav calamity weapon

[hollow shell]

Actually he has

[gusty geode]

F

[reef mountain]

F

[sinful violet]

wait where was that even taken from

[hollow shell]

Dev server

[sinful violet]

oh yeaaah\

[reef mountain]

geez.

[sinful violet]

im purple there too

I can try again perhaps

Now that I've managed to nail down what's what