@radiant pawn inb4 20 person arena is huge as hell
#suggestions-discussion
ashen warren
hollow shell
iirc SCal doesn't even work properly with multiple players
bullet hells are only focused on one of them and of course SCal can only target one at a time
so
expanding the arena may actually make things worse
by making the fight too easy
if you have other people.
ashen warren
Essentially, git gud calamity has ditched MP support
worthy fiber
radiant pawn
reef mountain
Evil slimes are fine against WoF, maybe, but herrings are preferred for pre-clasper/spider hardmode, that much I can confirm.
I mean, it’s endgame pre-hardmode, these weapons’ main jobs are to make you survive hardmode until you get better weapons.
Also, the slimes, who can’t go through walls or fly, is pretty difficult to use normally.
glad thunder
Shield of discord aka shield of Cthulhu early game in hell but x200
30 blocks good god
Imagine teleporting accidentally while spamming a or d to be precise, and just dying during a boss
rich wagon
xD
yeah happened to me a lot using soul of the void
I think that's what it was called
reef mountain
@wide breach neat, though it might be hard to implement as the lag will be insane.
Also, DoG will have to be buffed to just under terminus DoG or else he will die instantly(kill a DoG with an Earth and you’ll know what I meant.)
wide breach
Yeah, me and my friend just wanted to do it cause we just beat SCal and are looking for some sort of challenge
other than terminus
rich wagon
Mecha Mayhem 2.0 xD
wide breach
thats basically where the idea came from
rich wagon
nice
placid moth
Do you want to add some lore to it
Like, Yharim basically picked them from the grave and revived them.
It'd be cool.
rich wagon
maybe the item could be Post-SCal in progression once the new content gets released
reef mountain
The seabound staff’s star is supposed to be a summon to deal side damage while the player uses their main weapon, if I’m not wrong.
(The piercing is excellent against early-game blood moons for example)
Since, you know, the revengence penalty only starts applying in hardmode.
low remnant
Considering suggesting making activating Rage deal some amount of damage, because it's not really a reward thing - I feel like it should be used tactfully, not just as a bonus for having some difficulty dodging
oh boy do I have any more -ing suffix words
placid moth
@normal karma what you mean by upgrading the staff by 10 gold/plat
vestal elbow
Slime Staff + 10 bars and whatever mob material
placid moth
oh, i thought he meant the gold/plat coins
but isnt that kind of corroslime/crimslime staff
frail mantle
yea the corroslime/crimslime is basically a post-SG upgrade to the Slime Staff
ashen warren
Slime staff is strong enough to last until hive mind, I don't think it needs a buff/upgrade
chilly osprey
Suggestion Idea:
Allow a non-consumable summon item for every boss (that doesn't have one already) to be made from 5 consumable versions of that summoner.
First, I don't get why the devs included geodes in the unlimited Profaned Core recipe. Many people (including me) had to fight Providence several times in Death Mode because of her difficulty, and farming the Guardians made it more painful. Now that I got that out of the way, I think that including recipes for non-consumable boss summons would be a great QoL change, because it could make farming/attempting bosses less of a pain. For example, farming astrum aureus for starcores several times is really tedious, annoying, and adds a lot of unnecessary downtime between Deus attempts.
placid moth
Farming Provi is stupid, that much I agree
ashen warren
I believe someone was gonna suggest this before
Nvm, vorbis' suggestion was far superior 
"Sadness Award"
chilly osprey
What was his suggestion?
chilly osprey
I'm not sure if I like that suggestion, it doesn't really solve the farming problem IMO
ashen warren
..How?
chilly osprey
NVM, I was looking at the older versions of the sadness award
ashen warren
It requires less materials
chilly osprey
Well, you get less loot, right?
chilly osprey
I disagree
It used to be a non-issue in Revegenance, but they nerfed money drops
Now yharon drops like 14 platinum in Death mode
ashen warren
Armageddon still breaks money farming
Do it on any pre-hm boss and you've got at least 1 plat
chilly osprey
Well, I guess you could do Armageddon
But if money is no issue in Calamity, why even have the money penalty then?
ashen warren
That wasn't in vorbis' original suggestion iirc
Someone else added that
I dont think armageddon would be a problem if king slime wasnt so easy to cheese
chilly osprey
oh
I'm still perplexed by the Sadness Award. If you die with a full inventory against a boss, how would that work?
ruby cobalt
Yes, but you'd be dead.
chilly osprey
Yeah, that's my point.
ashen warren
Ngl I always read it as added after you respawn 
chilly osprey
brb gotta do hw
Ok while I think over the consumable summons thing, I have a different idea: wouldn’t it be cool if we were able to revive Silva as an NPC, or be able to find Silva Soul Fragments in the abyss?
ashen warren
I was thinking that silva armor should require tenebris, given that she is the only reason it is growing down there
radiant meadow
you mean planty mush?
ashen warren
Both i suppose
frail mantle
i'm pretty sure Astral Furniture has been suggested before
quick dove
isnt there astral brick furniture
lost agate
@rustic ember dont talk in there
rustic ember
hollow shell
he did
lost agate
Smh
frail mantle
no it's not
hollow shell
Might need to restart Discord bruv
ashen warren
Befouling Sludge
A block located in the bottom of the abyss. It looks like a nuclear-green/yellow mud and emits skull particles. Contact inflicts irritated even when rain is not active.
Crafting
(5) Murky sludge + (5) Murky Paste + (5) world evil blocks @ Work bench = (10) Befouling Sludge
Wasn't Silva supposed to be imprisoned in Draedons byproducts? And yet there is only abyss stone 
. It also provides in contact irradiated, which might be able to be abused in some way, like an melee oriented asphalt.
radiant meadow
I mean, planty mush originates from Silva
ruby cobalt
Great!
radiant meadow
@violet tusk can you not do that? tyvm
lost agate
Dont meme in here or suggestions
ashen warren
Lifespan of a mayfly in Winter
sleek wadi
Does this count as a Lorde suggestion?
dusty stirrup
If you want a lorde pet just get apotheosis & friends smh
ruby cobalt
Great, a mute!
radiant meadow
Muted him
lost agate
Thats one way to get muted fast
ashen warren
Anyways, is my Befouled sludge a good idea?
frail mantle
irradiated pre-hardmode 
uneven anvil
Is there an ultra-performance mode to disable weapon/character/buff effects? I feel like that would make Scal more breathable, and other bosses that have a lot of noise going on
hollow shell
What do you mean "effects"?
uneven anvil
I'm referring to the special effects that surround your character, I.E. Inferno for example
hollow shell
Not that I'm aware
uneven anvil
That's what I was thinking too, so I was going to suggest it but I don't know if it's possible to code to disable the special effects without disabling projectiles or their "tells"
hollow shell
In terms of performance, turning lighting to Retro, backgrounds off, and quality Low is usually enough to make the game run alright in almost all circumstances
Unless the problem here is just
busy-ness on the screen
uneven anvil
Just the busy-ness and clutter on the screen is what I'm referring to in this case
I know you can hide most effects with the eye icon for accessories, but some still show through in the form of buffs/armor buffs/weapon effects
hollow shell
Still not super clear on what unnecessary effects there are
Inferno ring is an obvious example, but what else?
Like, during the SCal fight, what stuff is there on the screen that isn't your projectiles or SCal's projectiles?
uneven anvil
Regeneration effects from say crimson armor or Palladium's "Rapid Healing"
There are a few examples, but I'm not home to bring them up right now
hollow shell
I see.
A dust/particle setting could help to encompass a lot of that, considering iirc Terraria doesn't have one
Otherwise it'd probably have to be defined manually
uneven anvil
Thanks for briefly going over this with me. I'll add the suggestion later when I can find more examples and go from there. I think that will help out immensely.
Something like that would help for clarity for future bosses or events too. But that's all I have for now.
hollow shell
Yeah I definitely think people would get some use out of it, if it can be properly defined and such
Good luck
sleek wigeon
why does it matter if a class has multiple elemental options?
radiant meadow
because ele disks are pretty bad on prov herself?
frail mantle
when you mention that, should i post my Corruption Variant?
as in, an elemental Scourge of the Corruptor
sleek wigeon
My point is not that a class shouldnt have options
but why does it have to be elemental options?
Worse yet, the recipe doesnt fit the elemental theme, which generally involve some weapon with living shards or multiple weapons with a similar theme.
frail mantle
well, the Elemental Axe doesn't have any living shard weapons in it's recipe
it doesn't even have any post-Plantera tier weapons in it's recipe
plush remnant
Fact: Submissions with sprites are highly likely to be sent to devs.
hollow shell
Yeah that's why this suggestion exists
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/540291058341380105
vestal elbow
isn't this just thorium
terse sundial
Does Calamity even need a shield mechanic? I don't think so, plus, biased off of that desc. It makes it seem like a shield version of Adrenaline, which also isn't needed.
rapid pivot
why borb staff no check
vestal elbow
still getting sent
ashen warren
Why did someone suggest BL2 shields for terraria?
terse sundial
Honestly, I don't know
tiny rivet
what’s next, is thrower going to get a buff for having shields broken??
ashen warren
If someone suggested grenade mods and "Bonus Package" was one I'd be fine with it tbh
terse sundial
subtle blaze
@zinc violet I believe Thorium beat you to that on that idea with their buckler shields
Admittedly the small amount of the life the shield gives makes it a pretty laughable item late-game
vestal elbow
normal mode 
teal shoal
i mean as much as normal mode is its not an excuse to make phase not work properly
hollow shell
Why would Normal Mode make the hearts despawn?
teal shoal
they simply despawn because arena is so big that if you stay at the bottom, then they despawn because you are too far away
hollow shell
Change that to Normal and Expert mode, cuz the size only changes in Rev and Death
I haven't heard of this issue before tho
Sounds like you should report in #bugs-read-pins too, if you haven't already
teal shoal
ah oh well
fervent zealot
normal mode specific issues
hollow shell
(smh not editing)
teal shoal
im gonna double check it at first tomorrow because i want to have footage of it but ihave terraria uinstalled
hollow shell
Why uninstalled? 
ashen warren
What's screen res? I can check it out
hollow shell
Damn, rough
ashen warren
smh ignored rip drive size
terse sundial
Water Gun is somewhat useful due to the wet debuff that makes your shrimpy truffle faster, but otherwise, I agree with that.
hollow shell
@random tide Why do you "need" Armageddon before fighting any of those bosses?
random tide
Its kindov a waste not to have it, for speed purposes
I mean, 11 bags or 1? hmmm
Theyre also exceptionally easy to nohit, so arma is a no-brainer
ashen warren
Only thing I can think of is DAD
hollow shell
But at the very beginning of a run?
If you're doing one of those challenges then you should come prepared with Cheat Sheet
random tide
I mean I dunno what you all do first thing, But I love a slime hook, mount, and a full set of armor right off the bat
Usually first thing I do is kill KS, soon as I can get a rope up
(and have arma)
hollow shell
We have a Starter Bag for giving you useful items right away
You should still have to work a little bit before getting set with an armor, hook, and mount
cmon
random tide
Armageddon is a useful item 😊
ashen warren
I always rush planetoids
Crimson/corruption aren't hard to navigate
random tide
And 20 ropes is totally a little work
ashen warren
If you want to kill KS with arma within 5 minutes of spawning you might as well cheatsheet 11 bags
hollow shell
@reef mountain You mean "right click"?
reef mountain
yes
hollow shell
Aight
jolly kettle
statis’s accessories give minions temporal sadness
hollow shell
This is true @reef mountain
faint rivet
Hotkey for enabling/disabling dash I presume is what you mean?
unique owl
yeah
i love the ability and always want to have it, but i dont like how ugly it looks
faint rivet
Same
hollow shell
jesus christ that image is larger than a whale
unique owl
✂ ~~that's not an actual issue ~~
frank stratus
yeah i agree, i don't want a giant shield taking over my character
faint rivet
There's an invisible dye mod? 
frank stratus
nani
ashen warren
Yes
faint rivet
unique owl
do u put that shit in the dye slot?
ashen warren
Yes
tiny rivet
what mod is invisible dyes i need it chief
i searched for it one night and didn’t get any results 😔
rich wagon
try search for dye mods idk
faint rivet
It's tagged in a lot of random sites but none show an actual mod
ashen warren
It's just called 'invisible dye'
Search it on the mod searcher inside terraria modded
I use the one in the "invisible blocks" mod
Wait nvm WMITF lied to me
faint rivet
frail mantle
"only two weapons inflict this debuff"
"few people aware of it's existence"
Statis' Blessing would like a word with you.
faint rivet
Isn't it curse?
frail mantle
blessing is TS, curse has TS and Shadowflame
faint rivet
ok
ashen warren
Desert Scourge had alot of resistance to explosives and piercing stuff before, fab removed it
Since he thinks that the first few bosses shouldn't be too strong iirc
pre-eoc boss upgraded to just about eoc difficulty
Seems legit
faint rivet
quiet abyss
@ashen warren What Nams said up above ^
placid moth
Thankfully.
ashen warren
correcting: pre slime king boss upgraded to pre eye of cthulhu boss
you can slightly decrease health so it can be an intense but well fitting fight before the eye of cthulhu
faint rivet
Pre-KS
I don't see how a boss could be made easier than King slime
ruby cobalt
remove KS's teleportation, boom
placid moth
then give it ludicrous speed
ashen warren
then put Armageddon on
midnight pond
Are changes on bosses allowed?
placid moth
yes ?
midnight pond
I was thinking, maybe have some of the "important" calamity bosses to have a change in their fight
if it's possible
placid moth
Like, what changes ?
frail mantle
you can suggest changes to bosses, you just can't suggest entirely new bosses/bosses that were removed
ashen warren
The main problem with Desert Scourge is that it dies to Coral Spout in like 15 seconds
Make its head the only hitbox 
... why
zinc violet
@subtle blaze yes but what is 18 hp going to do against calamity bosses? also what i was suggesting would add another health bar and always be active instead of just adding a little health while in battle
midnight pond
to make it fell more intense, for example: D.O.G.: maybe randomly teleport to somewhere in the surface, and then it teleports near to your position, i suggest this mainly because of the lore and the abbilities mentioned in them
Or which bosses woluld it be good to have a change?
fresh harbor
DoG with King slime teleports? Sounds dangerous
ashen warren
Still more fair than Ravager
rich inlet
Does dog still disappear when doing the laser wall thing now?
frail mantle
yea
ashen warren
Should Phantoplasm drop from Polterghast?
I mean, you got ruinous souls, but more Phantoplasm would always be appreciated, right?
lavish lily
Don't see why not
frank stratus
colours don't match tho
ashen warren
Polter's last form has some pink inna middle
And it's weapons are all pink + black
depending on how much damage you deal to polter, you could leave him low and just kill the phantoms he spawns for all the phantoplasm you'd need
not much point having polter himself drop them as well imo
frank stratus
well not enough pink for phanto to math imo
maybe if phantoplasm looked like ruinous souls and phantoms were like mini polters
ashen warren
@west prairie summoner is actually one of the stronger classes against yharon atm 
west prairie
that fucker teleports too damn much
ashen warren
he doesn't teleport in phase 2?
frank stratus
i think he means the part where he goes invis and tries to sneak behind u
ashen warren
sub4? that makes more sense, since most summoners usually skip sub4, though when you don't skip it, it still felt like a reasonable amount of time to me 
frank stratus
wait by skipping you mean like pulling out an ark? 
ashen warren
no, i mean activating adrenaline at a specific time to do enough damage so that he transitions to subphase 4 at a lower hp interval, meaning it lasts less time (although you can lower him to 10% and completely skip it)
frank stratus
oh
would be better to post in #bugs-read-pins or even better #help-advice-read-pins imo
small talon
but that seems like an area for your game not working, not the gameplay
small talon
mmk
gusty geode
Scrolling up and realizing one of your suggestions died at 64 stars 
ashen warren
Check again IG
runic mesa
Would adding code for a suggestion be against the rules?
radiant meadow
I don't think so
you mean like coding a weapon beforehand?
I think it follows the same guidelines as providing a sprite
runic mesa
Like redoing armor buffs
radiant meadow
as long as it isn't stolen code, I guess?
runic mesa
Cool
sleek wigeon
Imagine spreading shit yourself
Also hallow generates in huge bands across the world
you'd be to be mentally deficent to not be able to follow said bands to some stone to spread it elsewhere
golden sonnet
clentaminator, hallowed seeds, luiafk, etc ^
fresh harbor
Even just picking a pearlstone block and slapping it next to what you want to be hallowfied
delicate raft
Defiled Rune exists smh
ashen warren
ik
quick dove
i mean what would be the point of having defilled n stuff when that would exist
ashen warren
the legendary items mostly
also the potions recipe would prob be post ML now that i think about it
wait
delicate raft
You know all that stuff isn't necessary at all
delicate raft
You can complete the game without rare weapons
ashen warren
i know but subsuming vortex wasnt enough to get me through Scal
The rune only doesn't work on halibut and maybe yharim's crystal
radiant meadow
doesn't work on crystal
ashen warren
thats kinda dumb
delicate raft
Nah, I wanted to but then I gave up
Killed SCal anyway
But yes, if you are willing to get it...
unique vector
SSV wasn't enough
do you want me to post my scal nohit?
sure hearts are a fucking pain to deal with but a non-nohit playthrough should be manageable
ashen warren
its an inevitability
You aren't factoring in motivation to kill yharon 100+ times
Which is a 5ish minute fight mind
That's 8 hours and a bit
ashen warren
And there you have it folks, Yharim's crystal is a waste of time.
vestal elbow
just spawn it in lmao
lost agate
It deals good damage
ashen warren
In that 8 hours you could just fight scal and win
vestal comet
I dont want to think about yharon defiled
vestal elbow
hoik him tbh
lost agate
How do you win at scal if ssv does awfully against hearts?
quiet abyss
I mean, Voltaic Climax is still semi-decent for hearts even if it takes quite a while.
Better than SSV atleast, until next update where SSV can actually hit hearts.
ashen warren
That suggestion is.. oof
civic rampart
I would guess it's p unbalanced, but still viable suggestion, maybe make it use a core of calamity, 1 mng and 1 cs
bitter sentinel
Ik
civic rampart
I don't get the "fly very fast" part
bitter sentinel
Its random
ashen warren
It's wings that rival drews
lost agate
Yes voltaic is better than current ssv, but it isnt in any way a good option
ashen warren
Counterscarf cd reduced to 10 seconds
hollow shell
"fly very fast"
ashen warren
And 6 def 
hollow shell
Also, multiple of the same accessory and/or weapon in one recipe is usually err
not conventional
sleek wadi
Why IS Yharim's Crystal exempt from defiled anyway? I think if you're good enough to kill Yharon without wings you should be able to reap the rewards
quiet abyss
6 attacks per minute?
That's 1 attack per 10 seconds.
bitter sentinel
Ik
quiet abyss
Also that recipe is questionable 
bitter sentinel
Is that balanced
hollow shell
That's worse than Titanium
quiet abyss
^
ashen warren
Likely because defiled used to be the DR change mecha
lost agate
Not balanced at all
hollow shell
worse as in more unbalanced
quiet abyss
Even more broken than titanium
bitter sentinel
-_-
lost agate
Freaking post plant
bitter sentinel
I just got toasted
ashen warren
Titanium is nerfed in calamity right?
radiant meadow
in rev+
also, I like how statis' ninja belt (and belt of curses) was just left out
ashen warren
damnit termi I thought namess had become a mod
quiet abyss
"Allows you to fly Very fast for 6 seconds"
This one needs quite a ibt of elaboration too.
Like, doe it increase ascent speed? Horizontal flight speed? Both?
And when does this activate? Is it using a special ability button like elysian aegis, or does it activate on dodges?
radiant meadow
yes
ashen warren
50 mph
Faster than reaver wings...
bitter sentinel
Im just a guy with barely any subs (115) and am just suggesting
quiet abyss
Can I ask how hard and how long did you think about this suggestion?
bitter sentinel
I have brain small
alpine garnet
you're saying they'd work as wings and give a free dodge every 10 secs
and dodges
not op at all
bitter sentinel
Its op......i guess?
alpine garnet
a dodge every 10 secs alone is what
bitter sentinel
6
ashen warren
I guess
This would be viable until DoG ngl
alpine garnet
6 per minute is one every 10secs
alpine garnet
isnt it less than titanium?
hollow shell
Here's a tip:
Don't write suggestions just for the sake of writing suggestions
Make sure there is actually a reason to have what you're suggesting
quiet abyss
^
unique vector
im pretty sure yes
alpine garnet
^
unique vector
sors
bitter sentinel
So, 20?
quiet abyss
Actually, should I pin that?
ashen warren
Can that be pinned?
alpine garnet
to kinda add to that, suggest if you see a specific "problem"
unique vector
is there a rule against adding a suggestion that has self insertion?
alpine garnet
like a class struggling with a boss
alpine garnet
I find suggestions to solve a "problem" usually do well
unique vector
yeah i pinned it 
bitter sentinel
Wut
radiant meadow
alpine garnet
like if a class struggles against a boss, people'll star a weapon which solves that
hollow shell
Nice
bitter sentinel
IDK WHAT IS GOING ON
unique vector
@hollow shell can there also be a rule against self insertion?
ashen warren
I pinned it, are you happy?
hollow shell
yes, real Namess
quiet abyss
??? Now it's unpinned.
quiet abyss
Ah nvm
hollow shell
pixl, nah
radiant meadow
alpine garnet
it's pinned
unique vector
okay
radiant meadow
I just repinned the legend
ashen warren
three namess ono
alpine garnet
we just have legend above it
bitter sentinel
Is this about my op scarf or what
ashen warren
Dev weapons et cetera
alpine garnet
I can self insert and claim it's golem 
ashen warren
"Vetrens Scarf"
ashen warren
Trutru
unique vector
i guess thats understandable
bitter sentinel
Sorry if I wasted your time
unique vector
its fine man
bitter sentinel
Bye
hollow shell
Some good came out of it :P
unique vector
unique vector
@daring anvil you can also read the text after you kill SCal
thin shale
I also suggested it a month ago.
I feel like the brimstone monsters chasing me around is very annoying when it comes to her health being at 1%
This is way better. I don't know how it happened but it DID happen.😀
This is one of my old recordings of one of my previous SCal battle.
......before she got resprited
hollow shell
What's happening here?
No Brimstone Monsters?
faint rivet
They could very well be outside of the recording with you circling them 
hollow shell
He's standing right there
thin shale
Well, I would have died if I stayed in that position for 10 seconds
thin shale
I recorded it using my phone
My character is between the 5th and the 6th gravestones
And I also have a screenshot if you want to see more clearly
faint rivet
More like on the 5th but ye I saw
Something something monsters despawn 10 minutes after circling I've heard
thin shale
Well, the brimstone monsters just disappeared 20 seconds after getting her to 1% health
faint rivet
So you answered the mystery yourself
faint rivet
Well I'm clueless lmao
thin shale
So do I
Because I'm using summoner weapons, I have to take off my helmet and desummon my minions to screenshot it, or to record it.
faint rivet
Other classes exist Summoner's great for SCal
thin shale
Very useful for flawless victories
Other classes are great too
I used melee weapons when beating SCal for the 1st time
I've also tried other classes too
But now, the rogue class is heavily nerfed.
So I didn't use rogue weapns for now
Anyways, I found this suggestion very interesting
The Calamitas 'mount' one
frail mantle
ashen warren
Rogue is buffed next patch
frail mantle
that Calamitas Mount suggestion had absolutely no reasoning for why it should exist
thin shale
Well
Personally, I have an cursed demigod OC in Terraria Calamity which also took a similar form to Calamitas in his transformed state (he was initially human-like).
So that's why I found it interesting
gusty geode
*her
arctic wren
Just make the recipe require 1000 living shards
reef mountain
fair 'nuff
faint rivet
I think the drawback on the necklace should be larger, 50 pen and 15% damage is kinda major and any experienced player would use up to & including SCal
arctic wren
Why not give it the same downside as the Reaper Tooth Necklace?
frail mantle
hmmm
arctic wren
and possibly not allow you to wear both at once
drowsy valley
the example recipe shouldn't be followed by hart. it is just an example. my point is that you can see whole playthroughs without seeing a legendary drop
frail mantle
maybe the reduction should rather be something like 30%
faint rivet
It should be a larger drawback, yes
arctic wren
50 armour pen and 15% is fantastic even by end-game standards
arctic wren
also really should be named "reaver tooth necklace"
faint rivet
I'm not against more glass cannon accessories, but that's either a little strong or at the wrong place in progression tbh
150 pen would just melt Yharon
arctic wren
Could make it something like 10% extra damage and 25-20 penetration
faint rivet
Yeah that
rich inlet
No need for extra damage, pene is enough
ashen warren
bootleg reaper tooth 
rich inlet
Reaper tooth has extra damage cuz scal exists without armor
arctic wren
at that point you might as well wear a deific amulet though
quiet abyss
...You do realized it used to be that way, right? @faint needle
quiet abyss
And that vanilla is the one that make it so that pickaxe can mine wood blocks isntead of axe?
faint needle
Yes i know
quiet abyss
Because it was too annoying having to switch between tools.
faint needle
Eh ok
ashen warren
Pickaxe = tile, Axe = trees/cacti, and Hammer = all other background objects
It works within terraria's ingame logic
untold gulch
oxford comma please
i almost thought that cacti was a tool that was similar to hammers
radiant meadow
@reef mountain as a prov drop, the Solar Flare isn't meant to be used on Doggo. It's dmg and stuff is balanced around Polter (and to the Sentinels to some extent). Balancing it around Doggo would make it way too powerful for its tier. In addition to this, it is meant to be slightly weaker than Verdant and Lacerator as it is easier to obtain.
ashen warren
Explain holy collider then.
faint rivet
radiant meadow
can't have 20-25k dps vs Polter
faint rivet
Seadragon can
radiant meadow
seadragon can have a nerf too
ashen warren
Has ghastly hook been given a pierce limit? Cause I'll suggest that.
ghastly hook?
You can burn P2 DoG in DM with rage
radiant meadow
the polter spear?
quiet abyss
Banshee
radiant meadow
tail hunting likely
ashen warren
Yea
radiant meadow
and jam it in
ashen warren
It deals stupid dps
10 second P2 kill
laughs in 80% to 0% p1
wait 10 second p2?
radiant meadow
better than public striker I guess
radiant meadow
I don't think banshee was nerfed in the test versions
radiant meadow
a lot of the doggo stuff was tested a while back by Terry
it might already get an indirect nerf next update
since melee speed is like absolutely demolished
ashen warren
Melee speed doesn't matter for hook, in fact lower is better sortof.
Stays out longer
radiant meadow
testing is also usually done on rev without rippers
ashen warren
Saving rage shouldn't give a free kill for the entirety of p2 imo
drowsy valley
anyone know why the dps of legendary weapons is insanely low compared on what they used to be? i'm talking about what they say on the tooltip
drowsy valley
aside from drop rate nerfs, i don't know
civic rampart
How bout making 20 of the respective boss' treasure bag craft into a legendary?
ashen warren
Honestly just makes the defiled rune pointless, instead have the boss drop an item only when the defiled rune is activated, and 20 of that item makes it
cyan lagoon
I think he means for the ones that dont
ashen warren
Most of the ones that don't have gore literally explode but aight I suppose
lost agate
How is my suggestion?
radiant meadow
it's kind of like polter's "The ocean depths are trembling..."
so, yeah, probably useful
ashen warren
yes
fossil torrent
Agreed, it sounds useful.
random tide
Yep, I didn't know they dropped weapons xD
vernal sierra
I have just realized there's already a music box...at least a monolith then
rich inlet
Howsabout my suggestion guys
Tbh I think 70% or more terraria players in general has no idea sinks are water sources cuz its not in the tooltip
ashen warren
i dont
rich inlet
I genuinely hope that this new one I posted has already been suggested
lost agate
Well then, my suggestion seemed to be well received
rich inlet
it should be
mystic glade
by the time you get weapons that have projectiles that go through walls you should be able to easily take care of Queen Bee
golden sonnet
it can only happen like max 7 times on a small world tho
rich inlet
Imagine small world with calamity
ashen warren
^
rich inlet
I don’t wanna say another abyss dungeon meme again
ashen warren
I'm in a large world and I don't have beaches
ashen warren
Then you ain't playing it right
golden sonnet
lol
ashen warren
It should take at least 200 pieces of dynamite to MAYBE get to hell
golden sonnet
yep, only had it happen on a minor scale
ashen warren
Small worlds are some ass, I has a sulphouros ocean drained
rich inlet
Legally allowed
faint rivet
rich inlet
I wonder if the slime gun and water gun suggestion is serious
It looks so serious and memey at the same time
ashen warren
Tbh just make slime gun bad ichor
ashen warren
Increases crit rate?
round falcon
enemy takes 5% more damage from crits
magic verge
queen bee memes are fixed in the next vanilla terraria update tho
so you will only need to wait for another 5 years and it will be fixed
rapid pivot
hm
is it just me, or are rocket ammo types criminally unrepresented in calamity?
There's only four in the game, and I don't think there are any at all added by Calamity.
faint rivet
Don't know any that are Calamity either
If it's really on 4, then it's just the Vanilla ones
rapid pivot
The only thing even vaguely related are the Mortar rounds, and those are bullets.
faint rivet
Would be nice to have some rocket to go along with the Scorpio/Chicken Cannon/any other rocket launchers that I missed
rapid pivot
Any ideas for unique rocket types?
faint rivet
You're asking the wrong person
I'm not one to think about new items
Especially not considering the odds of a suggested item being added
ashen warren
It's the promise that counts
lost agate
Holy mother of jesus 104 stars on my suggestion? Jesus guess i hit a spot
torn creek
I'd like for the baby penguin item to be craftable, cuz its so cute
or maybe buyable instead
or maybe as a rare drop chance
hollow shell
Not sure if you'll get much support for that, considering it's just a vanity pet item
But, a rare drop from Ice Mimics would be easy to program, or adding it to the Underground Snow Biome fishing pool
lost agate
Ah yeah sors, mind checking my suggestion if it doesnt bother you?
hollow shell
Uh sure
Gimme a lil bit
violet tusk
well, if I get banned, it was nice being in this server while it lasted
hollow shell
I get what you're saying, Fanboi
Gotta ask though, what was the meme suggestion you posted to get muted?
ruby cobalt
L
violet tusk
First it was an actual meme suggestion
ruby cobalt
Twice in a row.
violet tusk
bad DoG meme boss
hollow shell
Oh
violet tusk
then a pet lorde suggestion that wasn't meant as a meme, but could easily be taken as such, and considered a meme
ruby cobalt
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/404084438704586752/546790956981157890/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/404084438704586752/546793339689762836/unknown.png
Warn -> mute.
devout seal
Didn't we once get a legitimate rename the DoT suggestion?
ruby cobalt
We did.
hollow shell
It got delivered
devout seal
What was the suggested name/names?
radiant meadow
Devourer of Fools
violet tusk
the first one was a meme and was rightfully a warning
fervent zealot
we really don't like the lorde, please never mention him again
violet tusk
second one can very easily be classified under meme, but was not meant to be one.
ruby cobalt
Low effort shit also gets you a punishment elevation.
And this is low effort shit to me.
violet tusk
yeah xD
ruby cobalt
(this isn't just for memes) doesn't cut you any slack.
In fact this just proves that it was done for memes.
hollow shell
and Fanboi, as suggestion advice I'd just confine it to one punishment role instead of two
Like only one suggestions mute/ban and then that can be elevated to a full mute
Or I guess the suggestions mute/ban also always comes with a Warned
violet tusk
ok
radiant meadow
if you are unsure if it's a meme, ask here first at least
fervent zealot
i mean, if punishment tweaks/roles are being allowed in suggestions, how about i drop a few ideas here and we can discuss them
radiant meadow
but like make it look like you're actually ask if it's too much of a meme
hollow shell
Yeah szavak those should be allowed, considering #suggestions-voting is also for server suggestions
fervent zealot
cause i've been sitting on a few ideas actually
alright, lemme just write em real quick
violet tusk
I need to go off topic in general talk for a sec
fervent zealot
Alright, so the first one is something of a permanent mute, given in place of bans (punishment evasion would still be a ban) but would at least like to be able to see stuff, most importantly changelogs and mod downloads (possibly also talk in general and general media, similar to thorium discord clown role)
the second one is a bugs specific mute for the obnoxious people who don't read the pinned doc
hollow shell
@raw ferry May want to specify that it's the border infernadoes that you want to have icons, instead of just all of them
And yeah you can post suggestions here first for feedback
raw ferry
It's not just the border infernadoes though
hollow shell
Oh, really?
hollow shell
Pardon my assuming
raw ferry
thats fine
fervent zealot
honestly it wouldn't hurt for icons for all of em since small res screens might find the mod to be more playable that way
radiant meadow
if yharon's infernados somehow get an icon and prov's guardians don't, then that'll be pretty upsetting 
fervent zealot
prov guardians should have icons, period
that shouldn't even have to go through suggestions
hollow shell
They do now
radiant meadow
they do?
hollow shell
Oh, well
Profaned Guardians themselves do
Not Providence's spawned ones
fervent zealot
regular guardians do currently but not the ones prov spawned, yeah
radiant meadow
am I like blind? or is Rover leaking content
fervent zealot
those are the issue
hollow shell
Also, about your suggestion szavak
Personally I think allowing somebody that should be banned to still chat in #general-talk is only a bad idea
We're kinda been trying to keep general_talk from being a meme hell since its conception, and doing that will only allow more bad shit to push through
fervent zealot
mind you, this is an additional role to regular muted/warned
hollow shell
Having the pseudo-ban only allow you to see the Announcements channels does seem okay though, so you can still follow along with the mod's progress and download latest versions, but you can't disturb the server in any way
fervent zealot
total fuckheads still get complete silence, but people who have just fucked up and are nice enough to keep around get to stay a little
radiant meadow
isn't that just like a perma mute?
hollow shell
Yeah that's what he's suggesting
fervent zealot
cause if you think about it, banned people can't actually reliably get the latest ver, or even see the changelogs
hollow shell
Changelogs yes
but we're uploading to the Mod Browser now, and the wiki still always has the latest version on the front page (with a download)
radiant meadow
and you can't exactly get banned from the wiki
it's just harder to know when an update is pushed out
fervent zealot
finna suggest it now
suggestion made on behalf of the handful of banned people i know who do, in fact, regret it
radiant meadow
ban appeal is a thing actually. A month ago, someone got unbanned after mute evasion in like August
fervent zealot
not everyone qualifies for appeals
reef escarp
hey meme
hollow shell
Hello
gusty geode
I'm pretty sure they already do punishments like that regarding suggestions
I know this because I had it happen to me
hollow shell
wdym?
reef escarp
the idea man 😭
gusty geode
I got warned and couldn't post in/view either suggestion channel because of excessive meme suggestions
ruby cobalt
There's a special punishment, yes.
You get denied access to suggestions and suggestions_discussions.
hollow shell
A person-specific permission change as opposed to a role?
ruby cobalt
Too bad the only people who can do it are admins+, and 3 of them don't give a shit.
Yup.
hollow shell
Could be a role.
reef escarp
dang
gusty geode
I think the thing that got me knocked out was a special lore item dropped by the Moon Lord if you kill them without having killed a single optional boss before then
Iirc it actually got somewhat popular, too 
hollow shell
It could have been that because of the actual text example you gave
something along the lines of "dude wtf"
gusty geode
Yep, 104 stars as of writing 
hollow shell
Well shit. Now I don't know what to do.
Your Spirit suggestion was indeed delivered back in August, Relevant Meme.
But
we also have a policy of not bluechecking August/September suggestions due to lack of systematization back then
I'm not sure how to handle August reposts...
gusty geode
I could just delete it if you want, make things easy for you
hollow shell
Cuz I mean like it's definitely not going to get noticed now, it's buried under literally thousands of other suggestions in the dev server
I say keep it, we'll just delete the old one if it gets enough stars again
jolly kettle
oof, could use more minibosses, i mean those sound like ones
gusty geode
I am suddenly flowing with ideas, and idk if there's any spam rules
Fortunately one of my ideas covers that, so I'll post that first
fresh harbor
It makes a lot of sense sense actually
hollow shell
Personally think it's better to just
enforce the rule, with pings
Slow mode would just screw up multi-parters, which the bot is already adjusted to handle
gusty geode
Alright, moving on to my next idea, what if whenever you kill a "milestone boss" (WoF, ML, and maybe SCal or Yharim) all previous bosses received a buff and a new drop, similar to Providence and the Bloodstone stuff?
I feel like if I wanted to post this in #suggestions-voting I would have to design every weapon, but before I potentially waste my time, how does that sound?
hollow shell
Ehh, all previous bosses?
I feel like that'd make Providence's calamitous boss buff, as well as the Boss Rush, less special
sleek wigeon
a better chance to be seen before they get buried by others
thats not how slow mode works
hollow shell
I was never sure how Slow Mode works
hollow shell
It's per-user, right?
reef escarp
120 second slow mode in #suggestions-voting
placid girder
What about more draedons remote like items like one that summoned all the envoys of the devourer but buffed post dog
hollow shell
That's been suggested a few times before
sleek wigeon
yeah its per user
placid girder
Oh alright
hollow shell
So, almost useless in #suggestions-voting :P
dim kestrel
nike, just do it
hollow shell
Could you include a reason why?
hollow shell
Yes
dim kestrel
boop
hollow shell
Nice, thank you
quick dove
nights yoyo very nice, now make a true nights version , a true hallowed version and a terra version
delicate raft
And then exo yoyo
dim kestrel
I kinda wanted to suggest that line, but then I remember there's a yoyo called the terrarian
it would be a bit complicated since the true lines end in a weapon with terra in the name
radiant meadow
I think there will be an exo yoyo eventually
delicate raft
Make Terrarian craftable
radiant meadow
in a later update
delicate raft
Yay
radiant meadow
not the next patch though pretty sure
dim kestrel
Oh that's exciting to hear nontheless
radiant meadow
an exo gun is inevitable too but someone needs to be motivated and code it
dim kestrel
👀
dim kestrel
What next? Exo staff of regrowth??? smh my head
cold terrace
exo spear, yoyo and gun are the most common
dim kestrel
spears <3
cold terrace
Imagine exo vilethorn
untold gulch
yes please it's such a pain fighting wof with only god's gambit
hollow shell
RIP Hell Burst
quick dove
oh yes i'd like that
i really dont want to swap my draedon's heart with a crabulon music box
quick dove
maybe in the next update, who knows
hollow shell
(Don't count on it)
ashen warren
Cool
sleek wigeon
imagine being able to place music boxes
gusty geode
I'd unironically use an Exo Nimbus Rod ngl
untold gulch
vivid clarity is already exo nimbus rod
rich inlet
Vivid clarity is exo RNG simulator
Mr spooks, your suggestion is kinda uncomfortable to read in mobile, just saying
rich inlet
He prob used like a notepad or something and copypasta’d
untold gulch
messy
radiant meadow
Fab said he does not want Thorium, SoA, or any other mod to have Rogue.
rapid pivot
uh
hollow shell
I've seen this formatting issue before, I believe it's a Discord problem
radiant meadow
Rogue will become more unique and separated from throwing.
rapid pivot
that is
a LOT of content
like
would that not be, like, an entire update worth of content?
hollow shell
Also, Spooks, the Aquatic Depths and Abyss already don't conflict.
Also you're numbering is off, you have 10 ideas numbered 1 through 8
rich inlet
Yeah, abyss is dungeon side, AD is opposite
alpine garnet
4 yoyos
rich inlet
That’s a lot of yoyos
dim kestrel
They need as much love as spears
dim kestrel
lacerator ain't cutting it anymore
rich inlet
Imagine a post DoG yoyo acc unable to increase yoyo string length
vestal comet
Yep
mystic geyser
Sorry about that
hollow shell
Also also
I don't know what you mean with #7
(which is actually your 9th idea)
Ragnarok is already not the final boss if you have Calamity installed
rapid pivot
Ragnarok seems pretty tame by Calamity standards
hollow shell
Unless you mean, like, removing the Reality Bearer congratulations buff?
mystic geyser
Yes
rich inlet
You can right click iirc
rich inlet
untold gulch
imo terraryo and yoyo trick kit are bad concepts
seriously? four yoyos? that's too much
untold gulch
if one is asking for four yoyos the damage will be nerfed to hell
if the yoyo trick kit has a -50% yoyo damage stuck to it and terraryo has low damage id be down for that
rich inlet
The terra yoyo 4 with bag thing will be broken tbh
Maybe some other effects that doesn’t get multiplied with the bag?
Like, steal enemy health as well as defense on direct yoyo hit?
quick dove
did anyone ever suggest astral biome themed fish
untold gulch
i don't think so
quick dove
oh wow
radiant meadow
they don't conflict
delicate raft
Lore mix would be "Draedon fucked up with a new machine and merged 2 different worlds"
end
cold terrace
yes! yes! another suggestion with an exo yoyo!
cold terrace
as if azathoth isnt busted enough
civic rampart
5 azathtoths
untold gulch
*4
civic rampart
summons 4 yoyos
cold terrace
(edited)
untold gulch
tbh i like rebs exo yoyo suggestion and the yoyo god bag suggestion i saw a long while ago more than this one
civic rampart
Lol used wrong symbol
ashen warren
Tbh can we have a yoyo that is just 10000000 wood yoyos
lavish lily
Make wooden yoyo's throwable
ashen warren
Haha yes
hollow shell
@frail raft What do you want changed about his homing projectiles?
And why do you think he should be faster?
quick dove
aureus already jumps at you with his massive body and can run at you
why should he be faster
at that point you just want everyone to suffer
rich inlet
Ahhhh
My sink suggestion is at 60
So close tbh
vote for me or I’ll steal your car
brazen wedge
lost agate
Yeah what about that?
lost agate
Was there any need to put screenshot?
brazen wedge
ok
rich inlet
mr beast jokes if anyone doesn’t know
elder sparrow
aureus wont be changed like that bc it's not obscenely difficult
his speed already somewhat fast compared to angel treads
i have no view on his homing projectiles but i advise expanding on that suggestion and stating why @frail raft
tender obsidian
Fair
uneven anvil
At the rate suggestions are made and stared, I'm genuinely surprised Fabsol can keep up with the demand for it
I guess that's why the star count was raised from 30/35?
ashen warren
it was raised from 50 to 65
ashen warren
o
hollow shell
I wouldn't say Fabsol is "keeping up with the demand"
Like, 1 out of every 200 suggestions get actually implemented
tired haven
I'd say 1:1000 but that's from salty side
untold gulch
no i doubt it
untold gulch
what just occured
lost agate
@deft breach wrong channel
dim kestrel
Damn the yoyos were actually a success
rich inlet
having 65+ stars doesn’t mean its gonna be in the mod
Its just that fabsol will hear it
still, why does so many ppl want it
untold gulch
idk i hate the terraryo and trick bag suggestions they trigger me so badly
ashen warren
Yoyos need some more improvement and options, because the current calamity set is subpar, and if we can get stuff like an exo-flamethrower, why not an exo-yoyo
rich inlet
An exo yoyo is definitely great
untold gulch
yes calamity really really needs an exo-yoyo badly
but it makes me cry that it's in the same suggestion as a yoyo bag with 3 extra yoyos and a +20% yoyo damage to top it off, and a yoyo that, with the normal yoyo bag, lets you throw four of it
rich inlet
However, 4 yoyos feels like cheating
Its like the yoyo itself isn’t the yoyo, the accessory is
untold gulch
like wth make the yoyo bag v.2 give you a -50% yoyo damage
that's fair
gusty geode
Welp
My Spirits qualify again
uneven anvil
4 yoyos is too much for sure
Imagine the yoyos that ignore npc immunity frames (looking at you Azathoth)
lost agate
Imagine nerf
elder sparrow
stay with 2 yoyos
untold gulch
yes stick with 2
elder sparrow
how about an offstring function so if one yoyo runs out of spin it flies, homes into enemy for more damage
old storm
2 ways to fix that, 1: make a (few) endgame yoyos with finite spin time. 2: the accessory in question makes it so that yoyos have a finite spin time, basically, no infinite spin time as long as that accessory is equipped. The accessory could even give some minor stat boost for taking away infinite spin like range or +5% dmg or something.
opal barn
That formatting 
opal barn
What are you doing to make new lines, shift+enter?
dense girder
were you typing <br>?
teal shoal
I just wrote it somewhere else at other discord channel and copy pasted it
But yea effect is bad
I will fix it soon
teal shoal
Okay is it now looking better or its still bad
terse sundial
I mean, a good glass cannon accessory is the Reaper Necklace, I don't know how to feel about your suggestion. Maybe you could have it rogue orientated? Although that is subject to change
radiant meadow
the purpose was for it to be all class
it'd be kind of weird to have some random rogue accessory beyond nanotech and the other class accs of that tier
quick dove
i think he means both perforator and hive mind
that i know of if you spawn the perforator theres a good chance the brocolli will appear bellow you and do damage
maybe hes saying that because nohits
radiant meadow
I think he just means hive mind
not perfs
since hive mind summon plops the boss on your head
and that's what he's been complaining about recently
pallid zealot
I was thinking on my Exo-Tier Gun suggestion and yeah, that gun weapon's recipe shouldn't include the Halibut Cannon because that weapon is OP enough.
The recipe would require 3 or 4 guns, 10 Cosmilite Bars, 15 Yharon's Soul Fragments, 10 Bars of Life, 10 Galactica Singularities, 10 Cores of Calamity and some Auric ores.
ashen warren
i mean crabulon is kind of a bitch too
pallid zealot
Which gun weapons would you put into the Exo-Tier gun's recipe?
hollow shell
Oh boyyy an Exo Gun
(6 separate Exo gun suggestions have been delivered so far)
Feel free to add to the list but just make sure that it's something unique
quick dove
crabulon doesnt do damage when falling on you
agile cloud
