Just 15 more on Sigils. Yaaaaay.
#suggestions-discussion
charred gate
hollow shell
oo?
ashen warren
ye danny feexd it
hollow shell
Ah good
ashen warren
ye, if you want it to do more I could set that up
hollow shell
And mods can go through and remove stars that are on invalid suggestions
Or get pinged about it
either or
eager palm
make it so the bot also puts some other emote on the suggestion, and after it gets checked by a mod they remove that other reaction
so you know which ones have been checked already
hollow shell
Like patrolling on the wiki...
not that anybody here would know about that
s'pretty much just that
ashen warren
so an emote like 
hollow shell
I was thinking more like ❕
hollow shell
(questionable star, lmao)
ashen warren
ashen warren
i'll go ahead and change that, in that case then ye
radiant meadow
@ashen warren oh, you're up and running now?
ashen warren
it was up and running before as well, just a slight perm issue thanks to discord spaghetti
radiant meadow
is it up and running if perm issues prevent it from doing its job though?
ashen warren
yes & no 
hollow shell
Hm
I am suddenly not so sure about having a mod check every suggestion that gets posted
We do have plenty of mods, some of which frequent these chats
but
hm
it'll probably be fine
ashen warren
i can always revert back should you prefer that at some point
ashen warren
if you fragment and send the next message within one minute, your last msg gets the reactions cleared
radiant meadow
oh 
guess still have to watch for people that send a couple of suggestions at a time
hollow shell
That's discouraged though
ashen warren
pretty much ye
hollow shell
Not hard to wait 1 minute before reposting tho
ashen warren
compiled, i'll go ahead and push the update
hollow shell
@sweet grove ???
eager palm
@sweet grove theres already the flying piggybank and a legendary mining tool is the crystyl crusher..
cyan lagoon
- would be to hellish to code
eager palm
what the hell
cyan lagoon
- crystyl crusher
hollow shell
Also
what even?
eager palm
Please read the rules before posting a suggestion
keen nebula
imagine using the same pickaxe throughout the whole game
both to kill bosses and to mine
sweet grove
I knew the piggy bank... And the crystyl is not a legendary its end game
sweet grove
Tell me.... Is there a boss in the game.. That has to do with a void
I feel like kt should be easy to tell
sweet grove
Sorry... Im still working on those parts...
hollow shell
You should have fleshed them out before posting, yeah
sweet grove
But it would be rare
eager palm
Post the whole suggestion when you've thought it through
or you can post it here and talk about it maybe you'll finish it sooner.
brazen wedge
that quality
fresh harbor
Also, there are quite a few suggestions with 65+ stars up in the recent backlog without green checks
Like the Dual Heart accessory and the Biome Blade buff ones (And the participation medal, for some reason)
hollow shell
Yeah they don't get delivered instantly
fresh harbor
Oh
radiant meadow
they get delivered whenever a dev has time to send them
candid dove
Had to change some stuff, but couldn't till I got back on pc @ashen warren
radiant meadow
it doesn't star immediately?
candid dove
I just saw an exclamation mark
ashen warren
ye, sors/rob wanted it changed to an exclamation mark till a mod reviews
radiant meadow
exclamation mark is supposed to mean a mod hasn't checked to make sure the suggestion follows the rules yet
ashen warren
it's easy enough to change back to a star if it doesn't end up working well
candid dove
So what does the mark do, or what do we do?
hollow shell
I meant uhh
yeah
Star and also Exclamation
radiant meadow
I would think it stars and exclamation mark at the same time though?
radiant meadow
hollow shell
Yep yep
Exclamation mark is just to denote that a mod hasn't reviewed it yet, so the star reaction is subject to being removed if the suggestion breaks the rules
or other reasons
ashen warren
I take it the legend will need updating in both places then
charred gate
Welp. Sigils managed to gain 12 stars over the course of today. Gonna give it another day before declaring it ded.
hollow shell
Noice
lost agate
Imagine if someone tries to discuss on #suggestions-voting and everything they say gets a reaction 
hollow shell
Nah only the last thing they posted will
cuz of the 1-minute function
lost agate
Oh ok
charred gate
You're welcome for pushing you to 64.
ashen warren
👍
grizzled abyss
radiant meadow
yeah, make sure you send messages in the right channel
proven tide
Okay what is ❕
gusty geode
Please explain
I have never seen that before and I'm worried I did a bad
fresh harbor
Look up a few sentences
proven tide
woa uwu
lofty blade
remove alpha ray from Yharon phase 1 weapon recommendations
because it now needs darksun fragments
radiant meadow
that's getting removed in the revamp of the guide
but that doesn't really belong here
lofty blade
ok
hollow shell
Alright, adding to the legend
and just editing in general cuz the system is changed now
Updated.
bitter sentinel
Here is a model
hollow shell
that sure is a sword
ancient atlas
then don't make it a greatsword 🤔
ashen warren
Quick question, how come the rogue class doesnt affect the vanilla throwing items?
quiet abyss
Rogue and throwing are separate classes, so rogue stats won't affect throwing and vice versa
tropic yoke
Calamity should do the "right click to switch" thing that Fargo's mod does.
ashen warren
^good idea
tropic yoke
Would that keep them separated?
quiet abyss
Throwing is vanilla, and vanilla code is a mess to work with.
By making it its own class through rogue, it's much easier to expand upon and much easier to work with.
If y'all are going to continue talking about this though, -> #calamity-mod-talk
ashen warren
oh alright thx
tropic yoke
I'll talk to fargo about how hard it was for the switching thing
Meh, I'll let someone else ask.
tropic yoke
Is it just me, or should SW's first form last longer?
tropic yoke
I know
But it should be elongated even if you go for the tail.
It's just such a detriment.
It goes down in seconds.
ashen warren
What do you suggest?
tropic yoke
More health, or a little bit of defense.
lost agate
With some stuff its hard to hit it tho
tropic yoke
Maybe make it seem like the armor weighs it down and have it stick to the ground.
ashen warren
Would defeat the sky aspect.
tropic yoke
Then its tail won't be exposed as often or something.
radiant meadow
I think it's fine
lost agate
What if there is no ground?
radiant meadow
Rogue already has a really bad time for p1
tropic yoke
Really?
lost agate
Yup
tropic yoke
I bet valediction would tear it to shreds.
radiant meadow
Which is post polter
ashen warren
Valediction is post SW
lost agate
tropic yoke
Polter is ML
radiant meadow
SW is before poltee
tropic yoke
I fight it before lmao
lost agate
Well thats you
ashen warren
then you've been sequence breaking this entire time 
radiant meadow
So is weaver tbf
ashen warren
ok, so you find him easy, congratulations. You're not like the others who struggle on him.
maybe you know the fight better or w/e
Praise him
tropic yoke
Maybe take 20k from phase 2 and give it to phase 1. Phase 2 has 100k HP and phase 1 has 20k :|
radiant meadow
Don't forget that sentinels are not full on bosses
ashen warren
Hey i did conclave vs polter
tropic yoke
I wish they were more intense.
ashen warren
And Eidolon Wyrms are
tropic yoke
x'D
radiant meadow
They are like minibosses with boss status
tropic yoke
Signus is no Mini-boss
lost agate
Ever heard of the concept "transition boss"?
tropic yoke
Ooh hey... COsmic Kunai
radiant meadow
Yeah, transition boss
lost agate
Nope
ashen warren
Just play against them DAD
lost agate
Again, transition boss
tropic yoke
I've never died to CV, Signus is just a pain to kill the first time, and SW is a camper's paradise.
radiant meadow
Is that an issue?
tropic yoke
They're pathetic.
ashen warren
Fight Scal then
tropic yoke
THey're supposed to be able to contend with DoG themselves. Remember Signus' lore?
ashen warren
If you really think that those bosses aren't worth it, don't fight them again
Also, lore is wack with the actual mod
lost agate
Oh yeah and remember how DoG has all 3 on the bossfight?
Wonder how DoG could be way harder
tropic yoke
It's just that the sentinels are in the worst kind of middle ground there is.
DoG has nerfed versions.
lost agate
Yeah
tropic yoke
Kinda weird tbf.
ashen warren
percentage nerfs isn't it, which means buffs to the normal ones would scale as well for dog's sentinels
lost agate
Ah yeah, i would love to have a long af signus fight on my doggo fight
radiant meadow
Sentinels phase would be awful ngl if it gets buffed
ashen warren
like the fight isn't long enough as is
lost agate
Like cmon man, you killed them, why would they come back in full force?
radiant meadow
It's actually nerfed next update
lost agate
^
tropic yoke
Why was it added? The sentinels are dead and that's why DoG is even there. Wack
lost agate
@reef mountain thats absurdly vague
radiant meadow
radiant meadow
I'll just delete yours
tropic yoke
Oh, I didn't know it was in the key.
ashen warren
Nice to see that the dysfunctional bot is back
radiant meadow
It's a new bot
radiant meadow
Old bot got kicked
ashen warren
For posting bad suggestions? 
tropic yoke
Wait...
ashen warren
Waiting.
tropic yoke
Every suggestion gets auto-starred now?
ashen warren
correct
tropic yoke
Wack
lost agate
But we slap them if they dont get approved
ashen warren
🗞 💥
lost agate
Aaaand now people actually need to post the suggestions in one message
ashen warren
it has a 1 minute grace period
tropic yoke
Those !s are gonna get annoying to see REALLY fast.
ashen warren
if you post again within that period, the reactions on the prior message get cleared
lost agate
Ah ok
ashen warren
i wasn't expecting 200 iq fragment posting 10 mins apart 
rapid pivot
Any thoughts on my excellent suggestion? 😛
tropic yoke
Can I be "lvl. 39 Nightmare Fuel" again? ;-;
radiant meadow
@gaunt karma it's not that suggestions are rejected, they usually are just ignored and forgotten
reef mountain
just to clarify, this isn't my original idea, i just find this on the forums and thought it would be a shame to not get it onto this discord.
ashen warren
you may want to combine both of your messages into one
lost agate
I cant delete reactions 
hollow shell
Resuggesting things is actually good
ashen warren
you can shucks
tropic yoke
Snow why u change me? ;n;
hollow shell
Cuz if they get accepted, then the original suggestion gets marked as highly suggested
radiant meadow
Isn't Go Fast a ref to something else?
lost agate
Not on phone that is
hollow shell
I don't have nickname rights, Drones
reef mountain
it's a sonic ref.
tropic yoke
Oh, it's normal. I wonder who made me drones.
ashen warren
oh yeah phone has no way to delete reactions 
fading nymph
"Gotta go fast!"
delicate raft
A Sonic reference would be "Gotta go fast"
fading nymph
ye
radiant meadow
well, I'm on phone 
delicate raft
Wait
ashen warren
poss/syg are the only mods not on phone atm (saying cause i know it doesn't show on mobile)
ashen warren
oh, you slide left on a reaction to remove it @radiant meadow @lost agate (pinging you both so you see it)
radiant meadow
Ok
ashen warren
radiant meadow
It no work
lost agate
^
sinful violet
what needs doing?
hollow shell
I'm tryin here on Android (in my own server)
Can't figure out how to do it via the Reactions menu
ashen warren
sinful violet
remove the exclamation points?
hollow shell
Yeah
sinful violet
done
lost agate
That doesnt appear to me
pliant bone
Reverting vanilla changes suggestion
hollow shell
Same
pliant bone
sinful violet
ping me if stuff needs the doing again
ashen warren
it might be an ios thing, iirc android was usually behind dev-wise 
ashen warren
is it the same way on android then?
ashen warren
probably not, no
hollow shell
@candid dove (can you grant Wiki Administrators reaction rights so this gets done potentially faster?)
(removal of exclamation reactions, that is)
lost agate
Beta what?
ashen warren
beta for discord's android stuffs
lost agate
Where is that?
sinful violet
i could do it, but i dunno if danny's alright with that
i mean, we definitely trust wiki admins enough
candid dove
Wuh
tropic yoke
NO MORE !s
ashen warren
check dms shucks
hollow shell
Wiki Admins used to have role rights so they could appoint new Contributors
But that got removed after I pointed it out 
tropic yoke
Oof
hollow shell
rn mods and admins gotta "review" the suggestions and mark that they've done so by removing the ❕ reaction that's automatically applied to em
kinda like the wiki's Patrol system
sinful violet
hollow shell
I was wondering if I (or wiki admins) could get reaction rights considering I'm quite active here
could do the job alongside the mods
sinful violet
tbh can't we just give rover mod perms but not have him have to do mod stuff
he manages a bunch already
hollow shell
Nah man I gotta wait for Trial Mod applications
candid dove
Why didn't you apply before 🤔
hollow shell
Cuz I didn't anticipate this situation
sinful violet
executive decision it
hollow shell
(and figured that I wouldn't be a very useful moderator, being in only two public channels)
candid dove
Ah
Should be done now, it's the manage messages permission, though
There's no separate reaction permission
So you can delete dumb suggestions as well
candid dove
Ye
hollow shell
which is good and also interesting, didn't know Discord could do that
candid dove
I wouldn't make that a category permission xD
hollow shell
Thank you Danny 👍
candid dove
Np
sinful violet
epic
candid dove
Actually, Ima just edit it to be just you
Because Reedem is a wiki admin as well
@hollow shell Who else mainly does suggestion stuff?
Ozza?
Or just you
candid dove
kk
radiant meadow
Ozza does a little
hollow shell
Ozza's schtick is #bugs-read-pins
radiant meadow
But mainly Rover
candid dove
Alright, should just be you now
hollow shell
Coolio
candid dove
Anyways, heading off, g'night
hollow shell
Gnight Danny 👋
charred gate
Just 11 stars left.
tough trail
yeet 65 stars on Black Lotus
void river
hollow shell
(You're lucky Sequence's already got delivered)
hollow shell
@reef mountain some more * ammo reservation
it's got a 33% chance to not consume ammo
Thankya
reef mountain
fixed."
obviously, 33% is not enough, 88% is more reasonable.
hollow shell
Also now, please refrain from posting suggestions for a lil while
You've got 3 in a relatively close timeframe
glossy bough
"Cool gang" for getting 65 on a legit suggestion with a sprite
should be nearly expected at that point
charred gate
Why do people vote for sprited suggestions
Sprites are temporary
Google Docs are forever
charred gate
Eh. You're right.
glossy bough
"Because there's no other reason fartpack should have 90+"
charred gate
?
glossy bough
nvm
fossil torrent
Oh the suggestion bot is working now?
charred gate
Ye
proven tide
no
ashen warren
No
fossil torrent
Oh new one
ashen warren
Never
fossil torrent
Of course it’s made by amber
marsh gust
if you wanna change nicks you can tag a mod and ask him/her to do so
fossil torrent
Yup, this is so you can’t make it something really stupid
glossy bough
ok
ashen warren
p90 should have some more ammo reservation.
The balance is mainly the low base damage and ammo consumption rate
Use an ammo box and a potion if it worries you that much
keen nebula
Not using the infinite musket pouch with the P90
glossy bough
Using Luiafk instead
fossil torrent
Using P90
ashen warren
p90 is fine to use
charred gate
Using guns in Calamity
jovial spire
Using weapons
glossy bough
p90 is quite good with ichor bullets
fossil torrent
I totally didn’t use it for all post-golem boss nohits to moonlord I promise
ashen warren
P90 is stupidwith reaver + hyperius bullets
fossil torrent
yup, that’s how i decimatedoutplayed those bosses
tame garnet
Using items
fossil torrent
Not using traps for every boss
ashen warren
imagine traps on boss rush
sleek wadi
Imagine wire mechanisms during boss rush
ashen warren
reef mountain
err, while p90 is extremely powerful, i admit, the lack of proper ammo reservation means it uses up 1000 bullets in 25 seconds, or 40 seconds with ammo reservation and ammo box.
even if it's as powerful as the swarmer+toxic hive combo,which it isn't, this is overkill.
frail mantle
the reason it consumes ammo so fast is because if it didn't, it would be op as hell
it's relatively low ammo consumption rate and base damage makes it more balanced
reef mountain
using up 40 bullet per second isn't balanced(it technically have 33% ammo reservation), nor is 90 dps when using the musket pouch(the only actual usable thing when one isn't using luiafk's mod) combined with ataxia armor.
frail mantle
*60 bullets per second
reef mountain
so it's no balanced.
frail mantle
observe here what it does to Duke Fishron with Hyperius Bullets https://youtu.be/UnC66L79oxI
frail mantle
the low base damage and relatively low ammo reservation rate makes it not broken
ashen warren
Exactly
reef mountain
look at how much ammo he had to prepare...
ashen warren
That's. The. Point.
frail mantle
^
ashen warren
If you expect to craft a 999 stack of bullets and have that last a long time...
Especially in modded hardmode
90 DPS on Aureus?
reef mountain
isn't that a post-moonlord ammo?
frail mantle
or this, where Levi used it against DoG and only got relatively low dps https://youtu.be/bvUmhWHe0Ss
ashen warren
Also you're not really supposed to use musket pouch unless you want shitty DPS
reef mountain
40 bullet per sec is too painful...
frail mantle
60*
reef mountain
that's even worse.
frail mantle
it sorta depends on rng too
ashen warren
It's meant mainly for killing the boss asap before you run outta bullets
elder sparrow
If only acid rounds were pre aureus
ashen warren
Full glass et cetera
frail mantle
you could, theoretically, have the best RNG in the world, and only consume 1 bullet per minute
elder sparrow
p90 with acid round melts better than actual flamethrowers
reef mountain
or you could consume 1 bullet per hour, but the chances of these are ignorable.
frail mantle
our point is, if it had higher ammo reservation rate, it would be stupidly overpowered
ashen warren
Making it that you can achieve the insane dps that the p90 w/ hyperius gets be longer sustaining would be fucking stupid
reef mountain
it's stupidly underpowered currently, especially for those who can't afford that much grinding.
frail mantle
^
ashen warren
if you can't grind then it's not meant for you
2-3k+ dps for 40 seconds = 80k damage
that's the point
frail mantle
it's an exploring/combat/sorta grinding game
ashen warren
it's a exploring game
After relogic added HM that ceased
reef mountain
grinding is good, but that's far too much grinding.
ashen warren
It's literally just 10 bars of life per stack*
Or one perf fight for ichor
Hyperius isn't the only viable bullet in HM y'know
frail mantle
i mean, acid rounds exist
ashen warren
crystal bullets 
frail mantle
-terra bullets
ashen warren
Terra bullets are relatively easy to get
Plant is ezpz
Then mine for a few seconds in hallow
Win
reef mountain
a stack of bullets will last for about 25 seconds...
ashen warren
And deal a full bosses worth of damage
You're not making a valid point
Besides, it's 25 - 35 seconds
You're really lowballing p90
I actually gotta go rn so I'll see how this plays out later
reef mountain
just that.....this thing requires perfect aim to be used effectively????
like, no other weapon punishes aim THAT much.
frail mantle
all guns require aim to be used effectively unless you use homing ammo
reef mountain
but most guns won't run out of ammo in 25 seconds.
frail mantle
they won't, because low ammo reservation is one of the things that make the P90 not overpowered
reef mountain
but this makes it a niche weapon, like the star cannon.
maybe slow it down a little and give it 40% ammo reservation?
frail mantle
that would probably make it a bit too strong
reef mountain
it make it usable for the average player, who doesn't like grinding for 10 hours straight.
also, gave it a usetime of 2.
frail mantle
the P90 isn't meant for large crowds, but rather for single targets afaik
frail mantle
well, the swarmer is an entirely different class weapon
marsh gust
normally i paint my platform and hook onto it to line myself up but that seems neat
ashen warren
@fossil torrent psst you can set your spawnpoint with hero's mod, and use drainer for silvabuffing instead of rodding around
I agree on this
fossil torrent
good tips, thank
ashen warren
I'd still like the suggestion to get in though
limpid flame
I think it would work really well, especially with such a precise fight as Scal, plus it would have the added effect of treating SCal as a "supreme entity" rather than just some boss you summon normally.
ashen warren
It'd be great for pure calamity PT's, and so that you don't have to waste Recall pots
fossil torrent
it's also a good thing to try to sprite maybe
It could also potentially set a permanent 10 block thicc wall instead of the 1 block thick wall that dissappears after the fight, but these blocks are minable when she's not summoned
But that could break structures, with the player unknowing
ashen warren
I wanna be creative at buildings so no
fossil torrent
Yeah it's probably a poor idea
ashen warren
i don't think that's the best idea tbh
fossil torrent
yup
marsh gust
don't think the box scal forms breaks tiles
frail mantle
it doesn't
marsh gust
you can even line up the border with a tree and walk out
ashen warren
the diff is, it's a lot less blocks that are being summoned than what jav is suggesting 
fossil torrent
Yeah it's a poor idea
ashen warren
what is
fossil torrent
10 block thicc wall that doesn't get removed, but it's breakable
ashen warren
lol
reef mountain
i think making some of her projectiles ignore blocks would be better, since making her a proper arena isn't much more than a few layers of platforms right now.
marsh gust
id like to put doogletts on my custom made wall too
ashen warren
i have lil levis and doogletts in mine
For who now?
scal
I like my guns on my walls
Doesn't all of Scal's attacks like
ignore blocks
marsh gust
I'll have uh.. I'll have a pony cause why not
ashen warren
with the exception of gigablasts and abyssal's inital attack before exploding
fossil torrent
I want to pixelart a 
emote and line my walls with them
ashen warren
then again the abyssal's explode before they reach you soo
fossil torrent
also why am I struggling so damn hard on normal death scal
ashen warren
because death scal isn't easy
reef mountain
yeah, which is why making some of the attacks non-block passing makes arenarizing this boss reasonable.
marsh gust
ashen warren
nohitting death defiled rodless portalless etc scal is harder than nohitting scal
So you want more attacks to be able to be block cheesed or
because ignoring tiles prevents stuff like that from happening
If it werent ignoring tiles then 10 block wall is meta and scal is useless
reef mountain
this is a boss that is fought inside a box, the devs might as well make making an arena for her reasonable.
ashen warren
but like
fossil torrent
also I consistantly managed to kill deathscal before my break like, once every 3-4 attempts
ashen warren
it is reasonable?
fossil torrent
But i'm melee so guess that's a bit harder
reef mountain
also this way we can be creative.
reef mountain
how?
ashen warren
go ahead and build a thicker wall for your arena, and put whatever designs you want on it
reef mountain
it won't help at allllll.
ashen warren
others i've seen use a background with designs in as well, but i'd find that too distracting personally
fossil torrent
oh yeah, AotC or exoblade?
ashen warren
AotC for scal and exo for hearts
reef mountain
it still won't help the fight.
fossil torrent
o ok
marsh gust
if you wanna be creative go build houses and not fight scal smh
ashen warren
building a thicker wall does help the fight, so you're wrong there
gigas and abyssals in bh2/3/4 explode further out, giving you more reaction time, 5 as well if they spawn while you're passing in the right area
there's not that many bosses that let you be creative in arenas tho
Or if you are commited, be creative on all arenas for bosses
reef mountain
errr, just about every boss other than scal gaves you a major advantage that scales with your creativity?
marsh gust
why would you want a boss' difficulty scaled on one's creativity
ashen warren
Scal is still hard even with thicc walls
scal's difficulty scales based on your knowledge of the fight, and that's how it should be imo
reef mountain
i mean, making actuated blocks for yharon, skybridge for devourer, double layer hard blocks with moon lord...
ashen warren
what's the use of actuated blocks
marsh gust
why do you actuate blocks on yharon
ashen warren
roof cheesing perhaps?
Also why the fuck is a skybridge counted as creative
its just thousands of platforms in a line
not very creative tbh
reef mountain
no, it extends the jungle, and therefore yharon's arena, into the sky.
ashen warren
Yharon only needs to be summoned in the jungle
not fought in the jungle
and he enrages if you're above his rainbownadoes
marsh gust
being creative on boss fights is more to the strats you use, like doog's portal gun strat on scal and ark's grav + nimbus rod on old desty
ashen warren
so you're not really proving a good point
reef mountain
but again, most of the time, arena>no arena, and since scal is fought directly inside a box it makes sense for arenas to be prepared.
ashen warren
which is platforms/minecart tracks, and again the thicker wall
I mean i play on a thin wall previously
frail mantle
the only arena you need for SCal imo is just a simple line of Platforms
ashen warren
Or if ya masochist , nothing
for my death nohit, i used one platform and one line of minecart tracks near the top, along with a thicker wall, not really much to the arena for scal tbh
reef mountain
yes, and this should be a boss that gives you a large advantage with an arena, like moon lord or plantera.
after all you fought it inside a sealed box.
ashen warren
You dont even need an arena for ml
Mounts and RoD can handle it
why on earth would it give you a large advantage for a superboss that is meant to be incredibly difficult
reef mountain
well, it's definitely 3 times easier with one.
frail mantle
ML with an arena is only slightly easier than ML with no arena and just the UFO mount
reef mountain
blocking the lasers and the homing eyes can really help, especially when you have a really well-prepared arena that effectively blocks projectiles.
also, and this is for @ashen warren , it can still be incredibly diffecult, but just that tiny bit(say, 10%)easier.
ashen warren
lasers...? scal doesn't have lasers
i think he meant ml
also blocking the lasers effectively cucks your chance to aim at the head eye unless you have a weapon that ignores tiles
which effectively shoehorns you into being a specific class/loadout just to do any kind of damage
and 10% easier would still be too big of a difference considering once again, superboss that is meant to be incredibly difficult
That 10% is fulfilled by a thicker arena already
i wouldn't really say that makes a 10% difference
more like 4/5%, but in comparison to the fight as a whole? closer to 2
fair
ashen warren
Is this another luigi% viable item
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Scal with lasers 
civic rampart
What's with the new❕ reaction?
ashen warren
civic rampart
Ok
magic verge
isnt the tanking helms just melee helms?
quiet abyss
"Bananarang becomes your only viable option in Pre-HM"
Isn't bananarang a hardmode wep? Or did calamity add a way to get bananarang in pre-hm that I don't know about?
quiet abyss
ashen warren
didnt see that typo
ashen warren
No
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Biome blade REALLY needs a buff i agree
neon igloo
yea
ashen warren
do u use luiafk
Smh another infinite ammo suggestion
This is so common it isn't even funny anymore
placid moth
I dont really find myself using the Biome Blade as well
ashen warren
Thats why it need a buff
ashen warren
overshadowed by bananarangs
placid moth
not biome blade but you know what i mean
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hyperbol?
@ashen warren
ashen warren
wat
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FUCK wrong channel
ashen warren
Im lurking and you pong me 
marsh gust
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Superbol
Hardmode Melee flail
Crafted with Ball of Hurt/Meatball, Souls of Night, Cursed Fire and True Shadow Scales
Looks like the Ball of Hurt, but a bit more advanced and a cursed fire palette at the tips of the spikes, similar to Cursed Capper
Throws an extended flail (longer than most flails) with a spinning head, which rapidly fires homing spikes with a cursed fire tip in a spiral pattern.
The spikes apply Cursed Fire and deal damage.
The Melee class lacks in power in early Hardmode, adding another viable weapon would help. It's also a pun (bol is a nickname for the Ball of Hurt).
Hyperbol
Post-Moon Lord melee flail
Crafted with a Superbol, Luminite Bars and Dark Plasma
Throws out a really long spinning black hole-like flail that very rapidly fires small black void-like shards in two spirals.
Another pun, and melee is a bit lacking in weapons between Providence and Polterghast, with pre-Provi weapons or Holy Collider being the only weapons that really are viable against Polterghast.
@ashen warren
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because bol
eager palm
tfw no crimson alternative
ashen warren
^
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can't really make a crimson alternative to a bol upgrade
quiet abyss
Make it so that you can use Meatball instead of Ball o Hurt
fossil torrent
Good idea
ashen warren
What would the name be though
fossil torrent
That kinda destroys the theme, but it's still fine
quiet abyss
Well, instead of Superbol, perhaps make it a corruption themed name and make another one based on crimson
quiet abyss
What adjective gives around the same feeling as "Super" then?
Use that for crimson alternative, perhaps
ashen warren
Cursed bol 🤔
quiet abyss
ashen warren
Why not scrap the 'Super' and use more evil biome-themed names
ashen warren
oh god oh fuck
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that's actually good
ashen warren
Sounds more like an alternative to Bol o' Hurt rather than a hm weapon
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True
ashen warren
Ball o heart
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Blood Orb 
ashen warren
Blood Ball
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Bloody Ball
ashen warren
sounds bad
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yeah
ashen warren
Bloody Ball sounds decent
marsh gust
oi you wheres my bloody ball
quiet abyss
Y'all can always just ditch the "Ball" name, ya know
Perhaps "Insidious" for corruption one and "Nefarious" for crimson one
fossil torrent
yeah I'm thinking for a word other than ball
ashen warren
Gorish Heart
marsh gust
yoyon't
quiet abyss
The final upgrade could use a name other than "Hyperbol" too
A blackhole themed one huh, hmm....
ashen warren
Decent name
fossil torrent
This is just spiraling into crap, i mostly did it for the pun
marsh gust
it could probably leave a few 'blackholes' that have tentacles coming out of it, attacking enemies too
quiet abyss
Orb of Darkness sounds a bit too generic for a sentinel tier weapon
ashen warren
@marsh gust is this another tentacle suggestion
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ono
ashen warren
We already have omega blue smh
marsh gust
ML has tentacles
ashen warren
Ye
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I had an idea for a crimson flail weapon a long time ago
"Flesh Ripper
Melee Flail
Lashes out like the Solar Eruption but not very far, dealing damage and occasionally healing the player for a very small amount.
I think the concept of lashes is pretty underused, even if Calamity adds three. I also like the concept of a “healing” lash, that rips the flesh out of your enemies."
ashen warren
Flesh Ripper
Now thats a nice name
Flesh whipper
using rippers with flesh ripper
fossil torrent
ono
ashen warren
Flesh Driller
quiet abyss
"Helical of The Void" for the final upgrade perhaps, if ya still going with that super/hyper bol suggestion.
quiet abyss
Or just simply "The Void"
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Void Rupture?
quiet abyss
That works
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Idk, it's just descending into jank and would never have a chance anyway
quiet abyss
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Well if I sprited it it would maybe
ashen warren
When is flail playthrough gonna be viable with all of these suggestions
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Anyway, for void rupture, maybe it's a pointy thing on a flail that rips open a rift on the way back, which unleashes void tentacles and small black holes?
ashen warren
I want arcanums spit on that thing
Why tentacles
Maybe the rift should just rapidly spawn Small Black holes and is a bootleg voltaic climax
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idk i just like tentacles
ashen warren
God my brain is dead rn
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marsh gust
the thing is with a dimensional rift/black hole opening theres always a tentacle that comes out of it gotta go with the cliche things
warm tinsel
Type D seems a good music box to add to the game, what do you think?
ashen warren
Its not scourge of the universe type D
ashen warren
Its servants of the scourge type D
warm tinsel
OH
warm tinsel
Yes I just got carried away a bit XD
ashen warren
Also why adult wyrms
warm tinsel
Also, should the box resemble the grand DEVOURER of THOTS?
Well, that box should be a threat from the ocean floors
AND WHO'S A BIGGER THREAT THAN THEM?
ashen warren
IIRC that doesn't work anymore
warm tinsel
So it's fair
ashen warren
Replace adult to juvenile
ashen warren
Not really, it's a dungeon guardian
But wayyyyyy harder
DG was never considered a boss
warm tinsel
OH right
ashen warren
Not even a mini-boss tbf
warm tinsel
Yeah, now I understand where you come from
Should Vanilla bosses get remixes in the future? 
cold terrace
they are
ashen warren
They are, by turq
warm tinsel
Yes, I can't wait for the rest of them
ashen warren
Go to art server and check #other-discords
warm tinsel
Eye and Skelly need some serious remixes
Wait, then where do I go? I only found the Mechanical Mayhem for now
Don't tell me I'm searching inexistent themes for now
ashen warren
On the art server, there is the #other-discords channel and in it there is the texture pack.
The first version will be released soon, I don't know when turq is gonna do the other bosses.
FYI music will not be soon
quiet abyss
Pretty sure Turq ain't doing remixs for vanilla boss themes.
He's making original themes for them
ashen warren
Oh fuck, yea that
quiet abyss
@warm tinsel https://youtu.be/pnmfsHWot64
opal barn
Are those the resprites from the texture pack or some randoms
opal barn
nicu
warm tinsel
Original Themes sounds way better
As I said, Eye and Skeletron needs some serious OST
tender obsidian
ah i remember when u posted that
cyan lagoon
@drowsy valley boss suggestions are not accepted
drowsy valley
I didn't know that, sorry
cyan lagoon
It's fine
please read the suggestion rules pinned in that channel before suggesting things such as that next time
drowsy valley
I can delete it, tho
cyan lagoon
Go ahead
ruby cobalt
I can delete it for you.
drowsy valley
did it myself, drh, but still appreciaed
tender obsidian
that's a lot of characters gone straight to the recycling bin
ruby cobalt
But yeah, boss suggestions 99.99% of the time don't fit with the vision of devs, thus they get removed instantly.
tender obsidian
deving is hard werk.
ruby cobalt
Same goes for suggesting things for upcoming bosses, etc.
The only things that are boss-related and aren't ditched from suggestions are balancing suggestions.
And even then there are faster ways to get those done.
cyan lagoon
not necessarily true drh
you could suggest new drops if they appear to be lacking in such
ruby cobalt
90% of the times it's true, tbh.
New drops, yeah, that's a thing, I'll agree on that.
tender obsidian
yeah we all like them new drop suggestions
ruby cobalt
Haven't seen a good "new drop from boss" suggestion in a while though.
tender obsidian
especially from lv39 nightmare fuel
ruby cobalt
You mean lv.31 drones
tender obsidian
o he changed his username again lol
drowsy valley
Yea, making a game is hard work. I had an idea of adding a boss named Voraxis, Teacher of Destruction, made from a Calamitous Grimoire. It would be a tiered boss, having 4 tiers in total.
ruby cobalt
He's nicked, so he can't change his name easily.
tender obsidian
maybe some kind of tiered miniboss might be cool to add into the game
rather than a full fledged boss
drowsy valley
that wass where I was going for
ruby cobalt
Tiered superboss is coming though, so you know.
civic rampart
Uhh demon egg?
ruby cobalt
That's a thing.
tender obsidian
you know what tiered superbosses remind me of?
cyan lagoon
fab's ramblings opened us up to goozma
tender obsidian
a lot of bosses
drowsy valley
I saved the Item drop log for my idea, is it ok if I post it here?
tender obsidian
but cool anyways
ruby cobalt
According to the plan (idk how the fuck it's gonna be implemented) Goozma is going to be a tiered superboss that comes up to you and shits on you.
tender obsidian
i'm gonna quickly look up all the boss drops to see if any class weapon is lacking from any of em
ruby cobalt
You can post the drop log in here.
drowsy valley
Item-Drops
Voraxis will have a large, if not the largest lootpool in the whole mod. Tier 1 has a 100% chance of dropping 5-10 Greater Healing Potions, with a 10% chance of dropping any other pre-HM item. Tier 2 has a 12.5% chance of dropping any pre-HM item, and a 10% chance of dropping any pre-ML item, along with a 100% chance of dropping 15-20 Greater Healing Potions. Tier 3 has a 100% chance of dropping 25-30 Greater Healing Potions, 15% chance of any pre-HM item, 12.5% chance of any pre-ML item and 10% chance of any pre-SC item. Finally, Tier 4 will have a 100% chance of dropping 5-30 Super Healing Potions, 15% chance of any pre-HM item, 10% chance of any pre-ML item, 5% chance of any pre-SC item and a 2.5% chance of dropping any post-SC item. Along those items, you will have a 1.0% chance in Revengeance/Death mode for all tiers that it will drop from his own unique itempool, including items like Voraxis' Soulrender, a Melee weapon that scales with how many bosses you've slain in your world.
tender obsidian
you had this saved too 
drowsy valley
that was my idea of his drops
ruby cobalt
I mean, I for one, welcome the idea of a scalable boss, but yeah.
It needs work for sure.
tender obsidian
hmmm...
Cryogen - cryonic ore after he's ded
Brimstone elemental - ?
Aquatic scourge - ?
ruby cobalt
No, please, not more ores.
tender obsidian
doesn't have to be ores
ruby cobalt
That involves making armors for all of them and weapons.
ruby cobalt
None exist.
cyan lagoon
What I'd really want is the overall enemies becoming significantly tougher in the post-ml stage
tender obsidian
yeah that makes 100% sense
ruby cobalt
AS could be buffing up piss sea enemies?
civic rampart
Post ml the representative bosses drop the bars?
cyan lagoon
since after providence dies they pretty much get flattened immediately
ruby cobalt
Like, split the abyss expandment into 2 parts.
tender obsidian
well then i'm gonna start writing a decent af suggestion then, thanks 4 da help!
drowsy valley
having m-ore ores in Calamity would be a bit b-ore-ing. Sorry, couldn't resist to make a pun of that.
cyan lagoon
and we have ravager for such material gathering (which is honestly weird though)
civic rampart
Like plant drop perrienial bar, cyro drop cryo bar, brimstone ele drop unholy cores, golem drop chaotic bars
civic fulcrum
Cryo drops bars already
cyan lagoon
golem dropping chaotic bars doesnt make sense though
civic fulcrum
The other ones
civic rampart
Oh yeah
civic fulcrum
Ravager dropping all of them is fine by me
drowsy valley
I think gy meant that Ravager can drop them
civic fulcrum
hes pretty easy to farm
civic rampart
I mean maybe post ml those buffed versions of bosses might drop them too
civic rampart
Just maybe, but yeah realised ravenger is easy enuf for bar gathering
civic rampart
@magic verge the deific amulet is an pretty powerful accessory already, buffing it's iframes will make it op you're trying facetank or something similar
ruby cobalt
Buffing the broken iframes surely sounds OP to me.
Especially not considering the fact that they're fucking capped at 120.
magic verge
what makes it powerful, the 25 arpen (10 dmg) in hm, or the range pickup for stars and hearts?
hearty yew
no, I am in full support of not allowing these things to stack
by buffing them to be equivalent to cross neck, you prevent them from stacking.
magic verge
who reallistically stacks iframes
hearty yew
me
magic verge
ive never saw anyone here doing so
hearty yew
otherwise the meta solution is to always have a cross necklace equivalent, celestial tracers, and another iframe accessory
civic rampart
It's mana, health pickup buff, armour pen, star storm(if facetanking or getting hit consecutively) and iframes in one accessory slot
Wait not health pickup
hearty yew
contrast to the sponge
civic rampart
The movement buff
hearty yew
calamity has quite a few mega-combo accessories that are absurd like that
magic verge
yes, the first two are a potion effect, the arpen is not really at that point, and , really? the star storm ?
hearty yew
star storm is 100% useless
armor pen actually does matter, if you're getting 25 flat damage on every hit
magic verge
you are sacrificing half the iframes of necklace for literally 10 dmg, thats all it has to offer
civic rampart
Maybe, but stars might be useful if you accidentally namess% a boss
sleek wadi
But here's the thing, you aren't considering slot efficiency.
hearty yew
what matters to me is maximizing survivability in projectile spammy calamity boss fights
basically i minmaxed my build to beat rev/death scal
and a large portion of that (until iframes and basically all defensive options got hard capped in rev) was damage avoidance, along with regen
tender obsidian
sleek wadi
Deific and Rampart are a hell of a lot more slot efficient than Cross Necklace due to the additional effects.
hearty yew
that's very true
however, doubled iframes is ridiculously powerful on its own. which is WHY deific doesn't have it
however if you're playing melee
hehehe
magic verge
cross necklace does that, and nobody complains about it being op
sleek wadi
Because it is slot inefficient
hearty yew
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Elemental_Gauntlet
directly inherits Cross Necklace.
ruby cobalt
Because cross necklace has that as its only effect.
hearty yew
elemental gauntlet + rampart of deities + celestial tracers
civic rampart
Tbh buffed stars will be welcome to me
hearty yew
enjoy demonshade's scythes and beams then
that's literally copypasted star code
except it does 12,000 damage
oh wait it's useless
magic verge
"Because cross necklace has that as its only effect." so you are willing to accept that sacrificing half the iframes for a potion effect and 10 more flat damage is an upgrade?
ashen warren
Lol
hearty yew
it's very clear that calamity's game design focuses around not getting hit and glass cannon builds. all the testers play glass cannon, and every time someone comes up with a good defensive strat, it gets nerfed within 24 hours
sleek wadi
By that point you're already having a lot of accessories compete. You can't settle for single-effect accessories at a point where Ankh Shield exists.
civic rampart
Ankh shield is probably required in some fights like cyro
civic rampart
When you get latched onto
ruby cobalt
I'm willing to accept that sacrificing half the iframes is worth the damage.
civic rampart
Dimensional soul might not be that appealing to me now that I can easily get +300% dmg
hearty yew
if you have other mods that are letting you stack that much damage with their equipment then yeah what matters is stats they don't give you ginormous quantities of
@magic verge jesus i didn't realize how bugged iframes are
but i am also not surprised
unique vector
i always thought i frames were a little fucked overall
magic verge
yeah, i just did some testing combining iframe acesories and i actually got negative effects like literally getting hit for less iframes than without any iframe enhancing accesory
teal shoal
hearty yew
i've posted the results to the other devs
i'm sorry this is so fucked
this is basically for #bugs-read-pins at this point lol
west prairie
god fabsol hates tanks
lost agate
Well, say thanks to luigi for that
unique vector
maybe the game shouldnt be played as a tanking
lol
@teal shoal you got someone mad
tulip fulcrum
Oof
teal shoal
Ye true
unique vector
basically, trivial shit is a no no
tulip fulcrum
I think I have some kind of solution to for this "lugi%" problem that would make tanking a real thing
And that idea is to give the player a huge debuff to where if they literally do nothing, they get royaly fucked over to where they have to actually do something
Any thoughts?
ruby cobalt
Replace that with "if you stand still for 20 seconds without doing anything your health starts draining instead of regenerating"
and we're gucci, basically
tulip fulcrum
Alrighty then
sleek wadi
What's more lethal; being literally on fire, or standing still for a while.
tulip fulcrum
I also choose both
fresh harbor
It's funny how the server has 8000+ people
But suggestions normally get around 30ish stars
ashen warren
Most don't bother
charred gate
Of the 8000+ people, I'd say 7900+ are lurkers.
ashen warren
Or bots
plush remnant
Suggestions really only get in if the mods were already doing it or if it's easy to code
charred gate
And of those remaining hundred or so, not many bother.
Also, can you blame them?
The devs are people too. They've got their own lives, AND they're already dedicating spare time to the development of the mod itself.
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Server has 8000+ people?
Isn't it 25000+?
charred gate
Probably, since the offline people are hidden.
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ignore the swedish
charred gate
TIL you're Swedish. Neat.
opal barn
About 0.1% actually speaks
charred gate
And of the 0.1%, about 0.1% of that pays attention to suggestions.
opal barn
But that's going offtopic so I advise to change into other chats
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tender obsidian
wait why's there a grey exclamation on my suggestiones
opal barn
Read the pins
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Tremode
tender obsidian
oho that
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Calamodey
charred gate
How well-received would a Gjallarhorn suggestion be?
tender obsidian
Gjallarhorn?
charred gate
It's an insane Exotic rocket launcher from Destiny 1.
opal barn
If you actually tell what it does, we could discuss it
tender obsidian
are you suggesting your suggestion?
gusty geode
Yeah, killing the final vanilla boss adds like 3 enemies to the Hallow
Nobody ever questioned it and idk why
gusty geode
Wait, then there was the irradiated slime
Still not much tho
charred gate
Fires a homing rocket, that on detonation spawns a bunch of homing mini-missiles.
gusty geode
Acid rain expansion when
tender obsidian
hmmm
opal barn
Oh, there is a weapon like that in EtG too