It's not the grammar
#suggestions-discussion
lusty moss
im saying to clear up the walls so you can have an empty area to build in
hollow shell
Grax not fast enough?
sleek wigeon
Empty building area is for nerds anyhow
real builders use the terrarian to create unique and interesting builds
hollow shell
If so, you could try suggesting a specific hammer that comes later than Grax
radiant meadow
clear up the walls so you can create a monowall 
runic mesa
^
lusty moss
that would be good, cause then you dont have to wait a year and a half for the guide to arrive
ashen warren
120 stars 
unique owl
wait wha tthe fuck
that's a horrible idea
having random WOF spawns would be actual autism
just make a craftable semi-cheap item that lets you spawn the WOF
radiant meadow
wof would probably be left out
unique owl
wat
radiant meadow
just like how it can't spawn with the dm feature
unique owl
?
tropic yoke
Who wants a disturbingly detailed suggestion?
opal barn
It's closed
glossy bough
seems to work outside of school domains
tropic yoke
Forgot to put the link in the first time 
topaz flint
tropic yoke
Boss rush
runic mesa
uses it during boss rush
Supreme Calamitas has awoken
heavy mural
Imagine fighting Scal while fighting Scal
weary merlin
Supreme Calamitwos
ashen warren
Space is wack
Because everyone wants new enemies
But then complains about the lack of martian probes.
tropic yoke
Martian probes are fuckin' easy to spawn
lmao
Most people probably don't know that they spawn on the outer edges of the map, in space, after golem specifically.
pliant bone
or in some weird cases, inside the ocean
hearty yew
@vestal comet To be completely honest, that should be a vanilla feature
ashen warren
Better music boxes my dude
hearty yew
music boxes working in vanity slots
radiant meadow
There is a mod that lets them play from vanity slots
hearty yew
also yes, that is a mod.
radiant meadow
yeah, better music boxes
vestal comet
Oh
radiant meadow
you can also use cheat sheet extra accs
vestal comet
That too
lost agate
Well, hyperious are almost the best bullets so....
reef mountain
And they cost the most expensive bar...
delicate raft
terrarium dude
radiant meadow
@reef mountain talk in here
not in #suggestions-voting
reef mountain
@radiant meadow fair enough.
Though I still think that hyperius should be cheaper, like, seriously, it’s unbelievably hard to grind ravagers.
Also, on a completely unrelated note, buff expert desert scourge, it’s barely worthy of the title of a boss right now(slime staff deals wayyy too much damage on it)
Also nerf calamitas’ attack stat, she is definitely not a pre-plantera boss, more like a post-golem one.
ashen warren
Scaling legendary suggestion number 15275
It seems pretty obvious that fab isn't changing that
reef mountain
This is different.
ashen warren
"make them more powerful with progression by buffing them every time you kill a new boss with them"
Literally a legendary scaling suggestion
reef mountain
I first thought about stellar striker scaling, it was almost universally hated.
heavy mural
This was back before Scal even built an arena around you jesus how old am I
reef mountain
It’s just that Stellar striker now shoot 1 beam, so it’s barely 250% dps of a regular weapon while it’s 300% the chance of getting hit.
heavy mural
If you want Scaling just kill King Slime then give yourself Post Scal Weapons
reef mountain
As for scaling, why does crystal bullets get nerfed more and more as you progress?
The first nerf that cuts the damage in half , IMO, is enough.
No need for the 75% nerf and the 87% nerf.
radiant meadow
I don't think you understand how that works
ashen warren
"All Hardmode bosses before and including Plantera take 50% less damage from Crystal Bullet split shards as well as the stars from Holy Arrows and the Star Cloak. Hardmode bosses after Plantera take 75% less damage from them. Calamity's post-Moon Lord bosses take 87.5% less damage from them." -wiki
Read that really hard
reef mountain
The shards, the main reason we uses it, are still nerfed greatly.
heavy mural
Imagine using Crystal Bullet shards Post ML though 
reef mountain
And let’s not forget how much defense calamity bosses often have...
runic mesa
imagine needing ammo for your weapons
heavy mural
Imagine Lunic Eye existing
radiant meadow
I mean, you don't stick to crystal bullets
eventually you switch to other ammo types like terra, hyperius, and holy fire
heavy mural
Shit does Terra even get impacted by the nerf above?
reef mountain
As for the thing about crystal bullet that shouldn’t be used post moonlord, it should be used, there should be better ones, but it shouldn’t be unviable.
Like, completely unviable
radiant meadow
post ml bosses resist terra shards
ashen warren
there should be better ones
Nah, they're OP as shit
heavy mural
Ah
reef mountain
What is op as shit?
ashen warren
Crystal bullets pre nerf
runic mesa
^
heavy mural
Bloodflare Bullets Heal, Holy Flare go Boom, Hyperious does a thing
round falcon
I use Terra from Plantera on
radiant meadow
hyperius summons an extra bullet on hit
reef mountain
The crystal bullets that only deals about 50% more dps fighting something like calamitas(‘pre plantera’)
runic mesa
i just use yoyos and swords. i dont like having to craft ammo, but i get why it needs to be there, i just dont like going out specifically for bullets
radiant meadow
50% more dps than what
ashen warren
"only deals about 50% more dps"
WOW.
sleek wadi
That's massive
gaunt karma
only
ashen warren
""only""
ashen warren
And they're post golem
radiant meadow
hyperius should do more than crystal
reef mountain
So? Dps scales with guns.
ashen warren
Not post wall of flesh
reef mountain
And? That’s not the point.
ashen warren
You're trying to say that crystal bullets which are start of HM should be around as good as a post golem bullet
reef mountain
The nerf should still be there, but just nerf the original shard damage, not its effectiveness on other bosses.
radiant meadow
and the nerf might actually be different than the wiki
I think there was a changelog saying nerfs to that type of stuff was "made less awkward" but nobody has changed it on the wiki yet
reef mountain
They (crystals) used to deal double damage, which is too much, so I agree that 50% extra dps for ichor is enough.
But getting nerfed progressively does not make sense.
*Trading ichor for 50% extra dps
ashen warren
They don't get worse over time smh
They get better
Halved increases to 3 quarters which increases to 7 eighths or whatever it is
reef mountain
How? They deal less damage.
The bosses become less resistant to the shards.
I mean more
50% less damage (acceptable)to 75% less damage(barely acceptable) to 87% less damage(not acceptable)
ashen warren
Except guns scale really strongly anyway?
The entire point is not to use them after ml
delicate raft
Why do you love those bullets so much
reef mountain
Because they are becoming worse than flails
radiant meadow
there's no point to using crystal bullets at that point anyways
post plantera, terra bullets exist
post golem, hyperius and acid rounds exist
post ml, holy fire exist
ashen warren
Just upgrade to hyperius smh
heavy mural
Or be me and use Chlorophyte bullets because I'm shit at the game
reef mountain
Hyperius are hard to grind for.
ashen warren
1 ravager = 1000 bullets
reef mountain
Holy fire is only good for worms.
heavy mural
Just get Luiafk and kill 4 Ravagers
ashen warren
Mine for a few minutes = enough to last to holy fire
fresh harbor
Terra bullets are just crystal bullets with homing shards q
Dunno why you not using them
ashen warren
Seriously, why are you in love with these bullets?
heavy mural
Where's my Terra Flail
runic mesa
^
delicate raft
Dude, you're not supposed to use the same equipment after each boss
ashen warren
So is every other bullet smh
reef mountain
As for hyperius it’s absurdly hard to grind for post-providence.
ashen warren
Mining exists
radiant meadow
holy fire isn't just good for worms
heavy mural
Well if you get Telluric Glare from Providence then gg till like Yharon
And even still
reef mountain
What’s it good for then?
fresh harbor
Kill Ravager before Prov and stack up on bags??
ashen warren
All post-ml bosses
radiant meadow
^ pretty much
heavy mural
Since when has an Explosion type attack not been good?
Wait
Lemme think on this a little
radiant meadow
and it got buffed and has much higher base dmg than acid rounds and hyperius
ashen warren
So is playing the game tbh
round falcon
Existing is for nerds tbf
keen nebula
I remember back in the old days where Crystal Bullets were nerfed by their max stack size of 250
ashen warren
Pretty good nerf tbh
..except for the fact that you can fire bullets from non-ammo slots and I forgot
keen nebula
Ah nostalgia
heavy mural
Having no inventory Space
hollow shell
@sacred nova It'd held to suggest specific enemies
keen nebula
Back when you had to visit a Piggy Bank to access your savings
hollow shell
Come up with some ideas, throw em in a Google Doc
post a share link to that instead
if you want, that is.
If your ideas are short enough, you can just put em in one message in #suggestions-voting
earnest raptor
@keen nebula playing avalon
sacred nova
gotcha
hollow shell
👍
runic mesa
i like that. seems interesting
keen nebula
Back when pickaxes and axes weren't a choice and we had only drills and chainsaws
in HM
but waah we wanna swing and kill bats while mining
gaunt karma
I'm looking back at some suggestions from after you made the post saying how suggestions would be formatted and several have over 65 stars with no green check mark 
hollow shell
... is Profane Serpent technically a bluecheck?
radiant meadow
as long as it isn't like the unholy serpent
cyan lagoon
July
gusty geode
That looks somewhat familiar 
hollow shell
Yeah you may have seen it from his past suggestions
radiant meadow
it just got posted in #sprite-submissions in art
heavy mural
Lowkey hoping my suggestion gets added into the game
hollow shell
Every suggester does :P
heavy mural
Good point
But I feel like mine is probably as simple as the Tranquility and Chaotic Candles to add aswell
Something like the Mechs
It just seems so extra, you get a 6 Block tall mech that has like 30 attacks
I can't fathom how difficult that would be to code
heavy mural
That's because it's pointless, it was a removed feature
gaunt karma
it doesn't add much
Here: go do these bosses after grinding all the insane amounts of stuff needed
Unecessarily annoying
hollow shell
It got starred late because we didn't want to star it
but I figured, might as well. Nobody's suggested that they scale only if you kill the bosses with them
Or if it has been suggested, it didn't get enough stars
ashen warren
Fuck it, I'll vote for it
heavy mural
I'll abstain mainly cause I remember 2.2M DPS Briny Baron Pre Providence
gaunt karma
Now what could be good but could also be annoying is you go through a "boss rush"-esq thing with the weapon, fighting bosses in a certain order and the more you kill the stronger the weapon gets. If you die to a boss it stays at that strength and you can continue back where you where to power it up more
that would probably be hell to code, and might just be annoying though. It could be fun but doesn't sound like something I would want to do multiple playthroughs in a row to get the best weapon possible
Any thoughts on the idea?
gaunt karma
As I said, it could be fun a few times but would probably become annoying
gritty crow
So... more worms?
delicate raft
Yeeees
gritty crow
Because we don’t have enough of those yet 
gaunt karma
I don't like worms
they aren't that bad to fight they're just annoying
like I'd rather fight an enemy with 3x as much health than an enemy I can only hit 1/5rd of the time
jovial spire
I like worms and its a good sprite
molten hearth
Worms are easy with the right weapons
devout seal
We used to have that worm though
west prairie
yeah it was only removed for just straight up being buggy and shitty
fab can make a worm that works now so theres no reason it shouldnt make some sort of comeback
lost agate
I think it was removed because literally nobody liked it
hollow shell
I only knew it existed because of the wiki and hearsay. It never spawned in my playthroughs.
elder kestrel
The spawnrate was omni fucked, yea
tropic yoke
Yo, nice sprite @west prairie
👌
Here...
Cane of Disgrace: Post-Providence Summon Weapon
Summons “Mini-Providence”. Mini-Providence targets enemies closest to the player. After defeating Polterghast, Mini-Providence will shoot out Molten Blasts when enemies are nearby.
After defeating the 3 Sentinels, Mini-Providence will rapidly shoot out Holy Spears at enemies. Holy Spear velocity scales with the player’s health.
After defeating tDoG, Mini-Providence will shoot out Miniature Holy Blasts.
After defeating Yharon, Mini-Providence will shoot out a beam at enemies.
: I’ve found that summoners have to follow a very narrow path Post-Moon Lord. I’ve also noticed Providence’s lack of a summon weapon in contrast to (almost) every other Calamity boss. I believe that adding a Providence-Tier summon weapon would be a good idea.
ashen warren
"Providence’s lack of a summon weapon"
Profaned soul artifact..?
It directly uses divine geodes
he's been wanting to add that for a while, even at one point wanting profaned soul to add on to it
It is an accessory though
oh ye ofc, that being said it does help with what it's supposed to and makes life a lot less painful post prov summoner-wise
something like what he's suggesting might be a tad too strong in combination with the other things available
charred gate
In Revengeance, I'll take what I can get.
ashen warren
"I’ve found that summoners have to follow a very narrow path Post-Moon Lord"
Every class is like this tbh
tropic yoke
I'll put *s around "weapon"
ashen warren
a summon weapon implies there can be more than one of them, yet what you describe is a sentry, no?
alpine copper
It is moments like this when we should ask: do we actually need more worms? @west prairie
charred gate
I think a way to resolve it would be to limit the number of mini-Providences to one.
west prairie
tbh make a worm for every ore too
charred gate
Like the Cosmic Energy thing.
ashen warren
@unique vector chlorophyll?
alpine copper
The wormity mod
charred gate
So it would still be a summon, just, you only get one.
ashen warren
think you mean chlorophyte 
ashen warren
I starred it :yourdidit:
ashen warren
compare it to rogue.
tropic yoke
There's less than 10 for summon.
tropic yoke
Nah
ashen warren
rogue and summoner are more close in terms of being the neglected classes
tropic yoke
Whatever, should I post this?
charred gate
I say yes.
unique vector
im not voting
charred gate
Just add in that you can only have one at a time.
alpine copper
Rogue wont be neglected for long
charred gate
That way you can't have an absurdly powerful army.
ashen warren
i don't think it would get added tbh, but you do what you want 
unique vector
i dont have the knowledge of other classes enough to give my two cents on it
ashen warren
"Nerf Titanium Armor's damage set bonus" the dodge is already nerfed and you don't get damage from the set bonus
unique vector
eh?
ashen warren
If you mean the damage of the armor itself then coo
alpine copper
Add a damage set bonus to it and nerf it then
ashen warren
tropic yoke
Man, my first no-sprite suggestion in a month got 1/4 my average.
frank stratus
lol brain
tropic yoke
rip
frank stratus
eh well sprites are pretty cool
unique vector
alright edited
frank stratus
what about chlorophite
ashen warren
Because people are dumdum sheep that click for sprites and not actually good ideas
frank stratus
lmao
charred gate
Honestly tho
ashen warren
Not kidding
ashen warren
for sure, it also kinda explains why even with a sprite, there's still no guarantee of having your suggestion get in
tropic yoke
Here's some edits:
Summons one “Mini-Providence” that takes up 5 minion slots. Only one Mini-Providence can be active.
: I’ve found that summoners have to follow a very narrow path Post-Moon Lord. I’ve also noticed Providence’s lack of a summon weapon in contrast to most other Calamity bosses. I believe that adding a Providence-Tier summon weapon would be a neat idea.
charred gate
Beautiful.
ashen warren
how useful would a summon like that be vs the bosses at that tier
charred gate
Who knows? The damage values are up to the devs.
tropic yoke
DoG would be easier
ashen warren
dog already dies super fast
charred gate
Nnnnot really.
ashen warren
if this makes it easier, then it instantly is poorly balanced
tropic yoke
Not with summon in my experience
ashen warren
yes he does, as summoner he dies stupid fast this patch
charred gate
DoG takes a long time with Summon.
tropic yoke
Summon is basically a drain class. You just have to out-live the enemy because you both take 'a lotta damage.'
I think making it more direct and open would be lit.
ashen warren
...Isn't summoner the most effective against DoG?
i wouldn't say he's an easy boss, but he dies ridiculously fast to most classes this patch, rogue being an exception with valediction being underpowered in comparison to other classes
yes it is namess
seadragon coming a close second
sleek wadi
DoG is super easy already due to its nature as a puzzle boss, I say summoner needs more help for Providence.
ashen warren
Calamari's Lament reaches more than 30k iirc?
charred gate
Trying to kill Provi with summoner is agony
ashen warren
how many nohits have we had to dq for dog because p1/p2 dies too fast again
funny you mention that mecha/taitou
sleek wadi
Currently you got the self-cucking Axes, the suboptimal cells, and the rarted dragon
charred gate
I'm just speaking from my own experience, my dude.
west prairie
valediction is bad on DoG because it was super good then fab hit it too hard with the nerf
ashen warren
it's actually pretty balanced vs dog dps-wise
the other classes feel a bit on the strong side however
tropic yoke
Anyone think Voltaic climax is OP?
tropic yoke
I'm not magic, but it looks like it'd be a fuckin' blast to use.
fossil torrent
It was, but not anymore
vague gorge
Make Axes chop through some enemy defense or damage reduction.
ashen warren
o should i star it
charred gate
Ngl, this reminds me of watching people discuss Destiny metas and loadouts.
ashen warren
it meets the requirements so yes, you should, even if it's a badly balanced one
tropic yoke
I mean, I'm used to getting 5 stars in a minute and not a star in 5.
ashen warren
undersansable
tropic yoke
Am a spoiled lil' suggestion maker
tropic yoke
tbh I thought my space suggestion would get lit up because I was told to target areas of the game that were lacking.
ashen warren
post prov is not an area lacking in power for summoner
tropic yoke
There's 5 enemies in space.
unique vector
reminder that carefully creating a good, reasonable suggestion is better than multiple, simple ones
ashen warren
that's why i'm against your suggestion
vague gorge
I like that summon weapon suggestion but what we really need is a pre-Providence summon weapon.
unique vector
not to mention the fact that anything related to biomes/new enemies would take a while
tropic yoke
I was on a little quest to suggest a summon item for every boss.
unique vector
bosses already have summon items?
ashen warren
summoner weap
tropic yoke
PBG, Brimmy, Providence, etc.
ashen warren
pbg is good, brimmy is good(ish), prov is not good
tropic yoke
I'm gonna go pull a human and sleep now.
G'Night! 👋 💤
charred gate
Sleep well fam
vague gorge
Till next time.
brazen wedge
gn
pliant bone
Coral spout does have some use in p1 hive mind, EoW and perforators
ashen warren
Seems mods don't approve
sudden quail
Na, mods are just sleeping
ashen warren
Ah
sudden quail
MODS WAKE UP
fossil torrent
CDs can star too
frail mantle
@sacred nova see: Calamity Health Bar
sacred nova
there is that, but maybe a bit of glow will work too so I won't have to move my mouse everywhere to find it
keen nebula
Rare lifeform analyzer does this
hollow shell
He wants something more specific
cyan lagoon
also @frail mantle moot point
hollow shell
Like, maybe it could make some idle noises, or make noise as it travels through blocks like a worm
cyan lagoon
since the bar is optional and can be toggled off
it does have an audio cue already (it shooting rocks) but that'd be better for newer players to have another cue to prepare themselves
hollow shell
It always shoots rocks, even behind walls?
hexed hedge
Perhaps give it’s eye a glow
hollow shell
Well then, there's still room for improvement
cyan lagoon
It could probably get a visual cue as well, maybe. Possibly give the eye a glowmask?
hollow shell
lmao
hexed hedge
Like eidolon worms head things
hollow shell
Could work yep
keen nebula
Glowmasks should be required on all nonboss enemies that go through walls
hollow shell
except worms, their sound is fine
keen nebula
Yes
hexed hedge
What else goes through walls?
keen nebula
Chaos Spirits
hexed hedge
Besides bulb enemies and cos/gran ele
hexed hedge
Tbh though I like the jump scare of an earth elemental just appearing
hexed hedge
I know I do, please do not try to dissuade me
ashen warren
EE is fnaf 6
placid moth
7 living shards is a lot.
I think to fit in with other terra weapons, maybe a broken hero sword as well
cyan lagoon
@sacred nova already being implemented
jovial spire
Yep
slim crag
Look in #changelogs for Tranquility and Chaos Candles. It's there.
sacred nova
oh ok I see that
fossil torrent
sudden quail
I'm honestly pretty tempted to correct that apostrophe you put inside "its"
cyan lagoon
oops
hollow shell
Wow I've surprisingly never seen that suggested
Outright remove distance-based despawns from bosses
That would uhh
kinda screw accidental boss summons tho.
see: Lunatic Cultist
would force you to die
magic verge
danger factor 
west prairie
could just increase despawn distance
eager palm
If you're careful enough they won't despawn
You gotta be pretty far for most bosses to despawn
shut smelt
not really
was fighting king slime and had him outside my screen for like 5 seconds and he didnt teleport to me, instead he just despawned
lavish lily
I mean you could always reload the world to despawn bosses
fossil torrent
I usually do that instead of running away from them
tropic yoke
I feel like the word "Terra" has been driven into the ground
Anyone else feel like that?
worthy fiber
I mean, it's in the title "Terra-ria"
ashen warren
Terra edge
worthy fiber
Only non-terra weapon in the set is the Cosmic Bolter iirc
worthy fiber
ashen warren
@tribal glen Thank you for being the one to post that suggestion this week, your contribution is appreciated
lofty blade
What do you guys think of making boss drops swapable?
tribal glen
@ashen warren If that was sarcasm, I have no clue how many times that has been suggested, as I literally just opened suggestions for the first time
ashen warren
Imksushis mod lol
Interchanging boss drops is a wack idea
Think about the shrines you get phm
cyan lagoon
that's not calamity's fault though
ashen warren
One of them has the sun stone
cyan lagoon
it's more towards imksushi's problem
ashen warren
Exactly
lofty blade
Yeah, that's why I specified boss drops
ashen warren
Sun Stone lol
lofty blade
no one likes killing a boss again just for a item they only get from chance
ashen warren
Which one?
lofty blade
Vanilla bosses I can handle
ruby cobalt
tl;dr, what you're suggesting - make Calamity's bosses compatible with imksushi's swapping tokens
which doesn't go here, since we're not in charge of that, sorry
lofty blade
not htat
ruby cobalt
Not that, huh?
lofty blade
TImerfun is what brough imk sushi into this
ashen warren
It's the same concept
ashen warren
Cross mod bad
ruby cobalt
And that gets answered by "we aren't imksushi" too, eh.
While it wasn't suggested it won't go anywhere most likely.
lofty blade
ok thanks for feedback
ashen warren
It got sent
ruby cobalt
Please, that means nothing.
There are tons and tons of suggestions in dev channel.
(spoiler: they aren't even being worked on)
ruby cobalt
ashen warren
ruby cobalt
When was the last time you saw a legitimate suggestion get implemented that:
a) wasn't a patreon item
b) wasn't requested 39190139 times
c) wasn't a tweak these 2 numbers and we gucci type of a suggestion
ashen warren
Chaos candles lol
ashen warren
About 5 trillion
ruby cobalt
Mhm.
And Chaos/Tranquility candles had something to go with them (buff sprites), and since the effect already exists it in another form - ain't that hard to copy it over.
ashen warren
So suggestions from nightmare fuel, such as the eidolon summon, go through easier bc they got sprites?
ruby cobalt
Pretty sure that adds a couple points since less work has to be done.
ashen warren
Just copy mechworm Ai
ruby cobalt
Besides it makes your suggestion flashier, effectively making it easier for it to breach the first wall.
ashen warren
Too bad theres already a shit ton of suggestions
The motto of this channel is "easier said than done"
lost agate
Yeah, pretty much the only suggestion i got in myself was "update provi gore"
ruby cobalt
I am definitely a mistake.
fossil torrent
no you aren't
@tribal glen I'd say searching for key words in your suggestion to see if others have posted it before you is a good idea (not intending to be mean)
tribal glen
Okie
fossil torrent
There's a lot of duplicate suggestions, I think everyone should do that before posting qol stuff
fossil torrent
What's scrapped?
tribal glen
The song
I looked back through and many people are saying threats of the ocean floor is scrapped
fossil torrent
Well it's said that it's not gonna be in the game in any form, sadly, yeah
tribal glen
Then what was the point of making it
ruby cobalt
What was the point of making interludes?
lost agate
For transitions on dokuro's albums
tribal glen
I was also going to ask that
tribal glen
I mean it is entirely possible for all of them to be in the game, if you set event flags for the first kill of the bosses before the interludes
Though I’m unsure how much work it’d take
ruby cobalt
No, it's definitely possible.
fossil torrent
It's possible for them but it's not gonna happen
fossil torrent
yeah that
tribal glen
Isn’t that why it was split in two though
fossil torrent
It's unnessecary waste of mb
tribal glen
That shouldn’t be a problem
fossil torrent
Still deemed unnessecary though, even if it would be epic
tribal glen
I’d pay someone to make an add on mod for calamity that adds them
Lol
I hope they at least have music boxes
ashen warren
theres an addon mod
tribal glen
Because it would suck to have the effort go to waste
Wait wut
Tell me more
You have my attention
ruby cobalt
...there's actually 3 addon mods.
unique owl
3?
ruby cobalt
One is stupid memes, one is vanity stuff, third one is dead.
unique owl
i thought there was only Calamity no music and music
what
wait are we talking about calamity addons?
ruby cobalt
Apotheosis & Friends, Calamity's Vanities, Calamity Addon.
ashen warren
o so apoth was in it
ruby cobalt
Latter one only has 2 items which disable Rev and IH.
And then there's Legendaries+, I guess.
tribal glen
I have apotheosis, but I just wish that there was one that added the unused music
Calamity is the best mod by far and I wish there was a way to make the experience feel truly complete
hollow shell
Nah thats what the blue check is for
golden sonnet
I know I was saying just blue check
not blue check and star
but I suppose it makes sense
hollow shell
We've done that a few times in the past but really theres no reason for it
golden sonnet
fair enough
sinful violet
working on that
ashen warren
gl mrrp
bitter topaz
fishing is tedious and bad, forcing people to do it because they got bad luck isn't good game design
sleek wigeon
You could also make other worlds
terraria is a game which encourages making multiple worlds for a single character
the point is, there are ways to get these items
but people choose to ignore them because "boring"
bitter topaz
a recipe exists for hermes boots though, and the same argument can be made in favour of removing the recipe for those
the only difference is hermes are immediately useful rather than being needed later like the claws/shoes.
actually, the shoes/gloves are the only vanilla underground chest items that aren't given a recipe by calamity iirc
radiant meadow
@vague karma if you want the weapon buffed, explain why
faint rivet
radiant meadow
and the weapon is pretty good where it stands rn tbh
faint rivet
Yeah some elaboration would help
radiant meadow
especially with adren rework no longer screwing it over with projectile reset
ashen warren
Butchers fine where it is.
Perhaps an upgrade?
Buff Cnidrion
Remove his PHM Victide drops on hardmode+ and make it spawn on the surface with Unicorn esque AI as it is a seahorse. Upgrading it's health as well as to not be a pushover. Another suggestion would be to give it's projectiles a water bolt effect and bounce when underground.
While a useful asset in early PHM, Cnidrion outstays his welcome in later stages of the game and has a bunch of redundant loot that clogs up the inventory when farming in the desert.
How does this look?
radiant meadow
like a new miniboss in hm?
or just buffing cnidrion overall
slim crag
Making him harder and act completely different on Hardmode... I liek it.
radiant meadow
minibosses aren't though
slim crag
He's pretty much an annoyance once you stop caring about Victide bars, so that'd be pretty cool.
ashen warren
I don't want to lump in an item for it though
radiant meadow
well I doubt cnidrion is getting any health boosts https://gyazo.com/fc89299e509fb2309d2b8ddaf7462d67
slim crag
At least he won't be spawning the one hell of a distraction that is his HP bar anymore. Honestly, I'd prefer if it was removed only from Pre-HM Cnidrion, but what Fab's doing sounds fine.
agile cloud
Why are there so many prisim suggestions?
tame moss
;3c
vestal elbow
lasers are cool
fossil torrent
Wh
cyan lagoon
@bitter sentinel suggesting new weapons technically
but your dedicated weapon definite no
ashen warren
The best stories are the ones that don't exist 
fossil torrent
epic suggestion
cyan lagoon
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lost agate
Yeah, dont mind if i do this
delicate raft
oof
ashen warren
Prolly made a lot of enemies by posting that 
lost agate
Except one suggestion literally got added due to the sprite just recently
delicate raft
Candles
lost agate
Yes
ashen warren
Yes, and it's the only thing suggestion that is actually adding something since GSS however the point still stands imo.
Most suggestions don't even get in and I'd rather that extremely rare chance be something more interesting then candles.
Tbh I agree, people are fuckin easily satisfied by a sprite even if the suggestion is shit
cyan lagoon
@late leaf would make for some helpful qol
but not sure if everyone wants to be robbed of a surprise rare encounter given the tension around it
rancid oar
maybe after they are within the player's screen they pop up on the map?
slim crag
Maybe for some smaller minibosses or when the bosses HP bar has appeared...
rancid oar
the player is already alerted of their presence due to a health bar
late leaf
i meant when they encounter the player
slim crag
That too. It's pretty frustrating when the health bar appears but you have no frickin' idea where the thing is, specially with minibosses with rare drops like Mimics.
west prairie
that "no sprites" suggestion exudes a strong aura of salt
slim crag
Sure thing, but it's understandable.
west prairie
tbh a sprite gives a stronger idea of your concept
slim crag
Suggestions with images attached would naturally get more attention.
ashen warren
a sprite gives you a stronger idea of your concept
"one suggestion was literally just a sprite and got 65+ stars"
why did i even bother
west prairie
of course there's no way their suggestion will gain any traction at all so I feel safe ignoring it, no need for further debate
terse rain
I agree with sequence
slim crag
I guess there could be restrictions over posting sprites/pictures along with suggestions, but straight up not allowing them seems too harsh.
terse rain
concepts and mechanics are much more important than visual design
glossy bough
woop sequence didn't include a sprite; no star for him
ashen warren
ikr
west prairie
if the suggestion is just a sprite then ok i could see banning that as it could be submitted as a resprite on the art server if its a resprite and be required to be fleshed out otherwise
ashen warren
banning
wot
west prairie
but banning sprites overall serves little purpose
ashen warren
Ah, I thought you meant server banning
glossy bough
A better solution would be to remove image perms from #suggestions-voting but allow people to add sprites in docs
because people generally read docs
slim crag
That could work.
slim crag
...True.
west prairie
a doc is the quickest way to kill an idea
slim crag
They'd need something to catch people's attention outside of the doc.
glossy bough
then remove 65 star rule
ashen warren
The problem is that people don't read docs which is why folks like vorbis just doubleposted
slim crag
At that point, the doc would be the same thing as the sprite: going along with the suggestion.
west prairie
it requires overcoming inertia and going to another page which most wont do even with no sprites allowed on main
glossy bough
include a quick summary for the doc to catch attention
west prairie
theres psychology involved
ashen warren
The star rule is cause devs don't read suggestions iirc
west prairie
sprites will remain regardless
past cape
We have too much stuff fulfilling some of the starred suggestions already
ashen warren
Perhaps I should clarify that it's not retroactive?
ashen warren
You still haven't said why
west prairie
if a suggestion is fleshed out theres no reason a sprite shouldnt be attached
ashen warren
Nightmare fuel in a nutshell
glossy bough
^
west prairie
his ideas and sprites arent half bad actually
glossy bough
but then there's things like this: https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/534563233508491304
literally no other reason it should have 100 stars
west prairie
the sprite cant account for that, the suggestion itself stood on its own
glossy bough
true, I guess
but still, I find myself just scrolling through unread suggestion looking for something big or flashy
ashen warren
Literally none of his suggestions have anything new or unique except some of the core weapons
glossy bough
I've tried to point that out
he just seems to get people hyped by allowing them to help him with the sprite
then he gets stars
ashen warren
hey, i finally got a star
hollow shell
I support this suggestion
We could make it a rule that you should only upload suggestion-related sprites to the art server's #sprite-submissions
and not the suggestions channel itself
devout seal
That'd be fine.
ashen warren
Can't imagine that nightmare would be too happy with that
devout seal
Most of my suggestions probably only get the stars they do because they look pretty, tbh.
ashen warren
If nightmare doesn't get suggestions sent without having sprites that says something don't it?
cyan lagoon
@bitter sentinel death mode drops are not accepted
ashen warren
It says he's willing to put effort in his suggestions
bitter sentinel
Aawwww
round falcon
Also one message
cyan lagoon
thats not a rule doggo
round falcon
It isn't?
cyan lagoon
it's simply matter of preference
ashen warren
It's a hearsay rule
cyan lagoon
more cleaner if its done that way
bitter sentinel
I was making the model to
cyan lagoon
you could make it rev
bitter sentinel
Welp
cyan lagoon
since the ones we planned a long while back went mia and probably won't be implemented
bitter sentinel
Ok then I will try
round falcon
plus class-restricted rev drops 
ashen warren
Throwing rev drop 
round falcon
but we have a rogue drop so its ok with me
ashen warren
No, throwing
round falcon
no i meant on the whole class weapon rev drop
hollow shell
(delete your non-suggestion messages, VetronWillis)
bitter sentinel
Ok then
bitter sentinel
Ik
grand lichen
go threw blocks
ashen warren
grand lichen
uh oh spaghettios
arctic notch
Mega Bad.
dense girder
@bitter sentinel delete this
grand lichen
this guy
dense girder
dodo you got unbanned???
cyan lagoon
odditer dont minimod tbh
ashen warren
lost agate
@bitter sentinel stop dont post discussions there
grand lichen
yeah but thats #general-talk iirc
alpine fog
there should be shit in a bottle
lost agate
No
ashen warren
shit in a bottle
I'm done, we've reached our peak for suggestions
Nothing can top this
lost agate
Sadly, no
arctic notch
Anyone think I should tweak anything about Molten Destruction?
alpine fog
ye
arctic notch
What about it?
alpine fog
wheres the bottle
sleek wadi
My issue with Molten Destruction is that it uses Sun-fury when we already have another weapon that uses it in its recipe
west prairie
i think including sprites is a time honored tradition that doesnt really pose harm, and the jealous non-artist lobby is trying to undermine us, spriters rise up
sleek wadi
Being the Tumbleweed
hollow shell
It does kinda pose harm in that potentially worse suggestions get sent
alongside/instead of good suggestions
just because they have an image associated
sleek wadi
Chain Knife would work as it functions similarly to those kinda flails.
Unless it is also used in another weapon
hollow shell
which usually doesn't add much. You can just include a description of what it looks like in the suggestion, if you have something in mind.
And people have.
west prairie
i guess on top of it all is the fact that I literally started spriting so that my suggestions would get noticed so you do have something of a point
but then again... it literally got me to sprite so it might get someone else to as well
arctic notch
I added a description of it.
runic mesa
its starting to get me into spriting
bitter sentinel
hollow shell
oh boy
hollow shell
Spritin' takes a while to master
There's a lot of stuff to know and get the hang of
bitter sentinel
Ik
hollow shell
Usually takes months
west prairie
legit the suggestions channel serves as a path to adding (eventually) skilled spriters to the team
bitter sentinel
Even though it took me a few days to ma-
hollow shell
((I don't think Drones is ever getting on the team))
eager palm
lost agate
hollow shell
But hey Jace did get a bit of a start in #suggestions-voting
Flesh Retractile
... that was a long time ago
bitter sentinel
No
ashen warren
I think that you should make sprites out of an appreciation of an artform instead of worthless internet points for a mod of a child/young teen geared game tbh
hollow shell
That's why you're not a spriter :P
west prairie
the latter was a path to the former for me
bitter sentinel
Ima go away
hollow shell
ok
bitter sentinel
Bye
hollow shell
cya
ashen warren
Actually I have made sprites I just haven't posted them or care to
lost agate
I mean, after everything, making art is about enjoying the process
hollow shell
RIP
runic mesa
ik, but this is making me want to do sprites. its pushing me to do stuff
bitter sentinel
I want to do sprits
alpine fog
i started making sprites so i could get rank
bitter sentinel
*sprites
alpine fog
thats literally the only reason i make sprites
lost agate
Thats.... Quite a reason
arctic notch
Anyone get the BoI reference, or have anything I should tweak?
arctic notch
Hold up.
hollow shell
Alright Vetren you need to proofread your suggestion
ashen warren
arctic notch
Yes.
lunar rune
isn't that a bit too much of a reference?
flat scarab
i like tboi, but i don't think this much of a refrence belongs in calamity
ashen warren
omfg @bitter sentinel
arctic notch
The Murasama is Identical. This is okay.
cyan lagoon
alright this is the third time you did this vetren
don't do it again or i'll have to warn you. Keep non-suggestion posts in here
slim crag
Considering it's only cooldudes/mods that can put the first ⭐ reaction in there, that was a REALLY unnecessary question.
lunar rune
I thought no hitters can also put the star?
ashen warren
And cds
arctic notch
The Murasama is EXACTLY like it is in MGR. This definitely isn't too much of a reference.
slim crag
There, fixed. Cool Dudes can do it too, I missed that part.
hollow shell
I will star your suggestion after you check your spelling and grammar, etc
arctic notch
Mine?
arctic notch
Ok.
ashen warren
12% drop chance
Very odd drop chance tbh
hollow shell
And it was kinda hard to tell what some of the weapon's functions were
due to the poor sentence structure among other things
delicate raft
It got deleted
hollow shell
Indeed
arctic notch
hollow shell
@bitter sentinel Still got a few spelling mistakes but if you include a reason for your suggestion I'll prolly star it
(including the reason in the suggestion itself, that is. via editing)
plush remnant
Thoughts?
lost agate
@plush remnant you do realize that one of the changelogs could potentially be exactly that?
hollow shell
How would it be implemented?
Would it be active when holding any and all rogue weapons, or would it be an accessory / accessory-line, or what?
plush remnant
That would be hilarious tbh. 
Hmm, my thinking is that it would be a universal armor set bonus for rogue armors
That way it's exclusive to rogue playthroughs
I'll edit my suggestion to include that
hollow shell
Alright
plush remnant
Done.
lost agate
Idk about you, but i think changelog 67 is something among the lines of that
plush remnant
If it is, I'm going to be both happy and laughing my ass off
ashen warren
Are these leaks you’re hinting at 
plush remnant
lost agate
But thats the most logical thing imo
I mean, i still dont know what the new rogue weapons are
plush remnant
Yeah, I feel like Rogue is going to be based around hiding in the shadows and sneak attacks, maybe even setting up traps
bitter sentinel
@hollow shell so, is the Idea good enough?
hollow shell
I don't see much purpose for it
which is why I asked for a reason
bitter sentinel
Because its nothing good
ashen warren
It’s not really clear what damage type either tbh
hollow shell
Why did you repost it?
You can edit messages on Discord, you know.
hollow shell
oof
jovial spire
@earnest raptor thats like the same regen as a mana regen potion
If not slower
Maybe bump it up to like 200 a second
earnest raptor
ignores mana consuming
warm tinsel
Yo guys, I wanna get a little feedback from all of you, since this has already got 60 stars
"Since the mod has been split from the music part, this suggestion seems meh but hear me out.
Let bosses have a chance to drop music boxes of Dokuro's Remixes (for example Ravager dropping his 16 bit remix)
This way it would also homage those tracks.
(I also know there's plans to add Yharon's Boxes already, so why not adding Threats from the ocean floor's Musical Box instead?)
Reason: Having such a good song scrapped feels a little bad, also think about the totally new experience and spice Dokuro's own remixes add to what we already have. "
Since technically if I get just 6 more stars or so the idea should be valid, what do you think?
It's actually good to have Dokuro's Remixes as a neat bonus?
jovial spire
Those suggestions have been blue checked alot
warm tinsel
Apparently not mine
Also Bepis and CraftyMooMan added something to it, it should actually be better than what I thought
(Since Fab has added the yharon and Interlude boxes in this next update prolly)
delicate raft
Pretty sure when Fab said "all the remaining ones" he meant the themes actually in-game but without a music box
ashen warren
Err, I think the stat sheet is a fargo thing
untold gulch
yes please i need that tally board
tropic yoke
Whaf the Ark of the Cosmos had a shiv version?
carmine vault
runic mesa
i would love those! spicing up melee runs
tropic yoke
Zerg
I think having huge arenas you stumble into would be cool. Making large, open areas in caves is hard
reef mountain
Like, holy fire bullets and terra bullets shouldn’t require their downgrades to craft(luminite doesn’t), and Zergs should be at least viable without the alchemist.
Also, boss summons of bosses that havn’t been defeated shouldn’t spawn when zurgs are on, since nobody likes having to kill a leviathan every 3 minutes while grinding sea snails.
sleek wadi
Zergs are viable without alchemist, zerging during a blood moon will pay for the next 10 zergs at least.
reef mountain
But blood moons are rare, and grinding for the items that summons it adds to the already massive grinding bill.
frank stratus
isn't there something you can use to summon a blood moon?
reef mountain
Yes, but you have to grind it...
round falcon
Blood relic aint too hard iirc
reef mountain
And it’s not even cheap
round falcon
Just Unholy Cores/FE
reef mountain
Fetid essences are pretty annoying to grind for if you didn’t have a pre-collected stash.
Also, the process of grinding for zurgs themselves is pretty time- consuming even with a zurg thrown on.
untold gulch
i don't think viscera needs a buff imo
i mean it's just a weapon for healing really
and i'm fairly satisfied with it's healing powers
ooo i like that suggestion
a powerful secondary weapon for clone would be really nice
tepid root
that sounds neat
heavy mural
TBH just get Alchemistnpc and buy Zergs
reef mountain
Yes.
low remnant
ok I fixed up the crafting ironed over some stats, here it is, in completion
Synthesis
Mage Gun
Upgrade to the Alpha Ray weapon, obtainable post-Yharon (P2)
To craft,
(1) Alpha Ray
(1) T1000
(1) Apocteosis Array
(10) Ruinous Souls
(4) Yharon Soul Fragments
(16) Darksun Fragments
(120) Auric Ore
(12) Bars of Life
(2) Cores of Calamity
(5) Galactia Singularity
Left Click fires three constant streams of orange-blue projectiles which
- at the end of their reach - disperse into lasers (think, Left click attack of the Alpha Ray)
Holding Left Click charges a large salvo of multiple lasers which deal more damage the further they travel
Right Click fires shoots a mass of innacurate lasers that bounce off blocks twice before disspating. The
longer you hold down right click, the more projectiles are fired each second (think, T1000 or the Laser Machinegun from vanilla)
Why? Mage gunslinger is a fun sideclass that doesn't have much support. Most of the crafting trees for the weapons are
minimal and they cease to be useful almost immediately after they're crafted (with the exception, of course, being the Alpha Ray)
This extends the trees a little further and adds an extra side-tier weapon for that area of the game.
Note, this is not intented to be an Exo-tier weapon
steep island
Shouldn't this be in #suggestions-voting or?
ashen warren
hollow shell
You're recommended to send suggestions here first for review
Not vital but it can help
steep island
Ah okay
radiant meadow
maybe some pre ml mage guns
most auric tier weps have some pre ml weapons in them
low remnant
mmh
hollow shell
s'not an Exo weapon
radiant meadow
what pre ml mage guns don't have an upgrade post ml?
low remnant
^
hollow shell
s'not Auric
ashen warren
Space gun
low remnant
oof forgot auric ore again
radiant meadow
it's auric now 
ashen warren
Astral laser gun
hollow shell
Oh.
well
then it is an Exo weapon
radiant meadow
space gun has an upgrade
low remnant
hmm
ashen warren
Can you wiki that up?
hollow shell
Astral's gun is Ranged
low remnant
I didn't intend for it to be one of the exo-tier weapons, but since the Alpha Ray was moved to post-Yharon P1 that's kinda difficult
ashen warren
I'll be, the aster blaster is ranged
low remnant
and without the Auric Ore its kinda lacking in an amount of relatively hard-to obtain stuff lol
ashen warren
And Magna cannon
radiant meadow
there's lahzar and the swarmer
ashen warren
radiant meadow
these are the weapons to work with https://gyazo.com/988fb950d5acd07a617dc29b7c80ac29
ashen warren
The swarmer is made with Vortex too, for no reason
radiant meadow
just throw in lahzar and I'll be happy tbh
ashen warren
Just add the SHPC and call it a patreon item
sleek wadi
What's up with Ion Blaster's sprite, yeesh
ashen warren
Old
low remnant
adamantite palette :ree:
radiant meadow
"Not intended to be an Exo-tier weapon"?
ashen warren
low remnant
radiant meadow
exo/auric tier is post phase 2 yharon?
radiant meadow
you could kill alpha ray and make it pre yharon p1
ashen warren
Auric ore tho
low remnant
true
radiant meadow
and remove auric and yharon soul fragments
ashen warren
Also, you'd cut into the Genesis evolution line
low remnant
maybe it should because it's called the Synthesis and they're meant to be related
🤔
alrighty, I'll play around with the recipe
ashen warren
For starters, I was wrong again, and wingman is so expendable that they might as well add it to another line
round falcon
do people use wingman
low remnant
I did for a bit
round falcon
like at all
radiant meadow
yes
low remnant
but only to upgrade it to the Alpha Ray
round falcon
is it good
radiant meadow
it's decent for pbg
low remnant
m e h
radiant meadow
although I think laser machinegun is better
round falcon
well yeah
ashen warren
Wingman is, exactly that, a mere power booster to the genesis