i don't feel like the minion slot would be worth giving up the damage % tbh
#suggestions-discussion
ashen warren
ancient dragon
If you fine-tune the values, you can have a pretty damn interesting set bonus that encourages at least some bit of variety in how you approach things with the class.
ashen warren
the problem is one choice is usually going to be better than the other no matter how hard you try to balance it
ancient dragon
Hmh. That's stumping.
sleek wadi
Full lucky gives you 14% crit, I'm sure a general accessory or an alcohol could net you the last 6% giving you 2 slots to balance it out with the current set bonus if you're willing to respec for a couple of bosses.
I'd rather just have the set bonus not be what is basically a no-hit bonus considering everything 5-shots you in post-ML.
ashen warren
moscow only gives 3% crit so you'd have to give up one of your other drinks for scal's fight or an accessory slot (which kinda seems like a nerf at a glance)
I have a suggestion
Make Yharon less cancerous
sleek wadi
The mechanics surrounding Yharon need some change, but not Yharon himself. Thankfully one of those mechanics is changing next patch.
Also that sounds like an aiming problem.
ashen warren
Health bad disappears at the bottom of the screen and under Yharon, so it's not aiming
You physically can't damage him
sleek wadi
He does not go invincible enough to warrant more changes. In fact, that invincibility is exclusive to phase transitions and subphase 4.
ashen warren
Literally every 2 minutes I can hit him for 10 seconds while he spawns Bumblebirbs
It just isn't fun in any way what so ever
sleek wadi
Either you're outdated or something is going horribly wrong. Yharon 2 does not teleport that often, or at all actually. Wiki mentions nothing about going invincible randomly either.
ashen warren
I have no clue, it's just 20 minutes of shooting at something that can't take damage
reef mountain
I suggest that the stellar striker should be buffed every time you kill 3 different bosses with it.
‘Kill 3 bosses with IT’ means only using this weapon to defeat 3 bosses.
The buff will just be a second beam, like before.
I think this will be a fun and balanced risk and reward system.
hollow shell
Why Stellar Striker specifically? Lol
lost agate
well , you only have like .... 9-10 bosses at most when you get stellar striker, also that thing is darn OP why do you want it buffed?
radiant meadow
fun and balanced 
lost agate
Smh
do you wanna turn that 8 seconds doggo kill into 3?
and no im not joking, an 8 second kill is achievable
radiant meadow
I thought it already was 3 and it's getting nerfed next update
hollow shell
@void mesa Silva Crystal*
lost agate
oh
hollow shell
Tarragon has a damage aura
lost agate
then make it 1
void mesa
Tarragon is the one that has the green glow right
Because that's what i meant, I hate the glow
hollow shell
Silva's the one that makes the big sparky warkies like the Moon Lord sentry summon
radiant meadow
which has a green glow
void mesa
I hate colored light that follows the player that can't be disabled
It messes with my character's skin tone and I turn green
hollow shell
Ah
void mesa
Hella nitpicky but cosmetics are cool and I like being free with them 24/7
keen nebula
So toggling the armor's minion would give you a minion slot refund?
ashen warren
does it actually use an existing slot to spawn the worm tho
low remnant
Simple suggestion for an Apoth/Drat - level mage-gun weapon, combo of the Alpha ray and Aether's Whisper, with some other stuff. Thoughts?
sleek wadi
Change the Tarragon summoner set bonus
The current set bonus, mainly the part about gaining 15% increased damage along with 2+ minions at full HP, is both waaay too good for a condition that is super easy to lose and doesn't go along with the other crit-based Tarragon bonuses. The damage aura is fine. This set bonus is only useful for dodging gods when it'd be much more useful to have it be something your average player can effectively use.
So change the full health bonus to Every 15-20% crit chance adds 1 minion slot and tack on an extra 5 or so % to the current summon damage boost. This would be a lot more useful to the average player, ties in to the crit-based focus of Tarragon set bonuses, can make up for the minion slots lost in the change, and gives all that excess crit a use.
Also for reference, Tarragon nets you 20% crit chance due the chestplate and leggings so you could get that extra slot without having to change your build. Adding rage and lucky gets you 40% so this would open up a bit of build diversity and a reason to even touch crit chance as summoner.
I'm planning on posting this tomorrow.
low remnant
probably similar ingredients to the constituents of the Silva set
- some cores of Calamity
just leave this here
Synthesis
Post-Yharon Mage Gun, counterpart to the Subsuming Vortex/Vivid Clarity
To craft,
- Alpha Ray
- Aether's Whisper
- T1000
- Apocteosis Array
- 50 Darksun Fragments
- 5 Yharon Soul Fragments
- 200 Nightmare Fuel
- 200 Endothermic Energy
- 80 Effulgent Feathers
Two modes; one rapidly fires purple-orange projectiles which bounce off tiles 2-3 times;
the other fires a beam (very slowly charges up) which splits into 5 upon hitting an enemy or in
contact with a solid block, these smaller beams deal constant damage to enemies.
Why? These mage-guns have very little upgrades and usually only last for a few bosses before
becoming outstripped by exo-weapons (due to the tier they're crafted at, specifically the Alpha Ray/Aether's Whisper)
Mage-Gunslinger is also a fun sideclass to play due to the nature of the weapons themselves; they feel
like they need more expansion as well.
ashen warren
@sleek wadi quick note as well, buff slots need to be taken into account here, since for example, my buffslots on scal are completely full and would have no room for crit, and the slots wouldn't be worth sacrificing the damage for honestly
sleek wadi
I was more so considering Tarragon alone rather than Auric Tesla, but it is something I could take into account.
ashen warren
ye, it would need to be since building crit is super counter intuitive as a summoner since it nets you nothing damage-wise
low remnant
oof forgot auric ore lmao
lost agate
If drat wasnt enough yharon kills smh
radiant meadow
50 yharon soul fragments when every other exo wep uses 3
ashen warren
radiant meadow
like why
low remnant
now I think about it a larger number is obscene
radiant meadow
lost agate
So imma guess you meant 8 feathers too?
lost agate
.....
low remnant
Drat but less mean
radiant meadow
use other exo weps as a guideline
molten hearth
Maybe divide every number there by about 10
radiant meadow
this doesn't look like a drat type weapon
low remnant
mmh
lost agate
Youre basing yourself on drat??
low remnant
kind of...
ashen warren
drat's a nohitter exclusive wep, apoth's a dev item
radiant meadow
counterpart to vivid/subsuming with a recipe based off drat?
ashen warren
base yourself off of normal items instead
low remnant
s h o o sh im bad ok
lost agate
reef mountain
The problem with stellar is that it was nerfed to 1 beam...
frail mantle
@steel sigil so you mean craft the Celestial Tracers and then immediately upgrade them after beating Yhartwo 
sleek wadi
I can kinda get why you'd want to combine Astral Arcanum and the boots as they're both movement accessories, but the sponge as well?
steel sigil
I honestly just sorta chose that selection of items because its more convenient to have 3 good items combined into one than to have 3 slots being taken up
untold gulch
add some calamitous essence to that and i'll be satisfied
steel sigil
Good idea
ashen warren
Calamitous Essence or Shadowspec bars
sleek wadi
However, that slot cost is a part of the balance. You have to realize that you're putting really good flight, a speed boost, liquid walking, lava immunity, tons and tons of defensive effects, a teleport, a regen boost that breaks through DoTs, and some on-damage effects ALL in one slot.
steel sigil
Okay so probably a good idea to remove the sponge from that lol
sleek wadi
Oh and sponge is also a damn good ball of stats in its own right
Easily a top contender for best ball o stats accessory
steel sigil
Any other suggestions for how to edit it? I'm more than willing to hear it
novel pebble
steel sigil
I mean...its possible to re fight the pillars if I remember correctly
frail mantle
It is
sleek wadi
I have my concerns about the idea because of the fact that the Seraph Tracers line of items are already the best accessories in the game
This would make that line of items even more powerful
ashen warren
ruby cobalt
originally it was 3, so I'll still bash you for that
steel sigil
I removed the sponge from it cause I realized just how flawed it would be if I left that in
frail mantle
The only mod i can see this being added is Apotheosis and Friends
ruby cobalt
the only way those can co-exist is if you chop off 33% off the stats
at the very least
sleek wadi
Even then, just adding Astral Arcanum to the tracers is giving the boots teleportation, GSI immunity, a chance for projectile negation, and regen through DoTs.
frail mantle
Overall the best wings in the game
ashen warren
tbh combine tracers with ataraxia
ruby cobalt
with SoE too
ashen warren
true, can't forget that
steel sigil
SoE?
ruby cobalt
Soul of Eternity
frail mantle
Soul of eternity from Fargo’s Souls
ruby cobalt
Every fargo soul combined.
steel sigil
Oh ok
reef mountain
Nerf the crystal bullet nerf, so basically buff crystal bullets.
Do so by removing the ‘nerf with progression’ thing, it’s not good at all.
Like, who likes extra grinding?
ruby cobalt
Like, who likes not broken shit?
sleek wadi
Are Crystal bullets THAT strong?
ruby cobalt
I dunno man.
A bullet that splits into 3 more bullets on average and doesnt pierce sounds pretty dumb to me.
sleek wadi
When you put it like that, yeah I can see the nerf being warranted.
steel sigil
Maybe I should think of something else...probably not an accessory... Maybe a weapon?
sleek wadi
Double DPS incoming 
steel sigil
OK unlike last time I actually thought this one out lol
sleek wadi
Shadowspec bars are reserved for devs
steel sigil
Oh OK, let me change that real quick
frail mantle
Also by the time you get this you have the Elemental Gauntlet, which already gives normal enemy instakill chance
steel sigil
That one was a kind of after thought anyways so I don't mind removing it
frail mantle
Also this is more of a nitpick from my part but you don’t need to specify stats like damage and speed etc. because the devs will decide them if your item is implemented into the game
Just for future suggestions
steel sigil
Ok
sudden quail
Seems WAY too edgy, also. Even for Calamity's standards
frail mantle
Calamity as a mod is very edgy
steel sigil
I mean...hammer that does over 9k damage
frail mantle
That hammer is a dev weapon, i.e. endgame
endgame weapons have a tendency to be strong
ashen warren
looool
sudden quail
Just out of curiosity, also, why is it an edgy katana?
Because all it really needs is a trenchcoat and a fedora and it'll be perfect
sleek wadi
The effect is kinda... Boring? I mean, for other weapons of the same tier you got Ark of the Cosmos which rains stars made up of other stars on the enemy, Exoblade which is projectile vomit, and Burning Sky which is meteor spam.
And that's just melee
steel sigil
I kinda worried if I made it like that I would accidentally make it over powered which is something I'm not trying to do despite how it looks
sleek wadi
Then you get shit like Apotheosis, which shoots out the head of a God Devouring worm.
ashen warren
Does that question include post-scal shit?
ashen warren
uhhhh
sleek wadi
This? This is a super powerful Terra Blade in terms of visual flare.
sudden quail
steel sigil
OK I think I fixed it up a little
ashen warren
Bootleg the wand?
sleek wadi
Everything is immune to Shadowflame at that point, and even then it's a 25 DPS increase
How about nightwither? That could see more use.
steel sigil
Good idea
ashen warren
i don't think i've ever used anything that inflicts nightwither
steel sigil
Same
sudden quail
Isn't it inflicted solely by Solstice Claymore?
steel sigil
So wait I have a question, what are the stars for?
sudden quail
frail mantle
They show how many people think your suggestion is good
azure sapphire
THE CRATE MEME IS ALIVE! (holy shit 2 of my crate suggestions aka sulphurous crate and hell crate might get added)
marsh gust
what will those have in it
steel sigil
I think I could probably do better but I don't know how
keen oxide
You know what would be cool? Chlorophyte on jungle crates past plant
frail mantle
keen oxide
Or any other option to make chlorophyte bars more accessible
steel sigil
I swear if my weapon gets in I'll beat the entire boss rush event with only that weapon
frail mantle
It most likely wont get in
steel sigil
I can at least hope
frail mantle
very few suggestions here are added, and the ones that are added are added because they’re easy to code
azure sapphire
jungle crate update: when post mechs you can get chloroplyte bar and maybe some other drops
keen oxide
Other option would be a discount recipe for chloropyte bars adding some living shards
Whatever makes chlorophyte more accessible because is probably the most demanded ore in hardmode
frail mantle
At least in vanilla
ashen warren
Is all those just for one chlorophyte ore or
frail mantle
Oh wait one moment
faint rivet
Hopefully multiple
frail mantle
Big brain moment fixed
faint rivet
Mining chlorophyte
proven tide
For Chlorophyte mining
Perhaps the Ancient Fossil too, if it stacks, because that's +25% +50% +35% mining speed total
Binoculars and Metal Detector also help
I did this for ~10 minutes and got about two and a half thousand
It was fucking funny to watch the mud vanish uwu
wise olive
im surprised you had that much chlorophyte on the map
proven tide
So was I
We (me and a mate) cleared out a full third of the Jungle (the Chlorophyte content of, not the mud itself) for that
reef mountain
The problem with crystal bullets is that they deals less of a percentage of damage the further you progress(pre-plantera 50% less, post-plantera 75% less, post moon lord 87.5% less) this doesn’t make any sense as it just encourages grinding, which no-one likes.
frail mantle
The problem with crystal bullets is that they were op before the nerf
hollow shell
Now, you say that Chlorophyte recipe will reduce grinding
but that looks quite expensive
The Jungle Grass Seeds especially
harder to consistently obtain than Chlorophyte
frail mantle
So, remove the Jungle Grass Seeds part?
hollow shell
yeah
frail mantle
sure
placid moth
you can buy jungle grass seeds from dryad
hollow shell
You cannot
frail mantle
Perhaps with other mods, but not with Calamity alone
hollow shell
She sells almost every other kind of seed except Jungle, unfortunately
placid moth
i think she has to live in the jungle
hollow shell
Check her wiki page
hollow shell
I'm thinking maybe also reduce the boss drop requirements to just 1 each
considering Plantera could only net you 30 or 40 ore per kill, and you would have to not use those shards for anything else
Calamitas could also net you 30 or 40 per kill, but the usage isn't much of a problem cuz it's Ashes of Calamity
hmmm
maybe only 2 each
placid moth
I always find myself skipping the chlorophyte stage
Except for maybe chlorophyte shotbow, Everglade Spray etc.
hollow shell
Alright cool
that's more reasonable now
Also, late, but did you mean right-clicking will launch a fireball? @steel sigil
Cuz left-click would just be a swing, which you mention the effects of already
harsh latch
Idea: a revival accessory, but instead of reviving, you take no dmg from a lethal attack, become inmune to most debuffs for a short period of time and gain high hp regen. It also freezes all enemies and proyectiles in place for 5 seconds (including bosses). However, during stopped time, you only deal 5% dmg, coldheart icicle doesn't work and you move a lot slower. This effect has a 120 second cooldown
should I put this in suggestions, or does it sound too op?
grand lichen
That sounds like a pretty cool item tbh, when in the game would you put it?
harsh latch
late hardmode, almost moonlord maybe?
Maybe something like 20 luminite, 5 galatica singularity and a gold/platinum watch
i think that would be fair
I'm gonna put it in suggestions
grand lichen
Alright GL
harsh latch
ty
placid moth
How about adding the hp you'd be at after reviving
harsh latch
hmm, idk about that
placid moth
whats the point of high hp regen if your at full health and enemies are frozen
speaking of frozen enemies, if they cant attack you, then there's not much point for debuff immunity.
unless your planning on making it last like 30 seconds immunity
grand lichen
Perhaps 150 like godayer? Also if you died to a debuff ^
harsh latch
yes there is. Picture this: God slayer inferno. You get hit by doggo, at 1 hp, god slayer inferno takes effect and you still die in stopped time
there, it should be well explained now in suggestions
placid moth
i was under the impression the player would be revived after a lethal attack
my bad fam
harsh latch
np
keen nebula
Might just be me but I don't think Thalassa is a good name for the Brimstone NPC
keen nebula
Thalassa is too close to the Greek root for sea /water
placid moth
Oh really ?
keen nebula
shadow creek
Fsr I want the mechanical bosses to be buffed once the soundtrack Turquoise made comes in
But that's just me
keen nebula
Thalasso would be a cool name for an Aquatic Scourge themed town NPC
And he would defend himself with an AS stand
placid moth
I have renamed her to Chamunda
chrome holly
I'm thinking about a recipe for the megaphone that's not post-mech for consistency... How about 3 souls of light, 3 wires, 1 1-sec repeater, 3 lead/iron bars?
sleek wigeon
titanium into chlorophyte
but titanium is harder to come by than chlorophyte?
heavy mural
And chlorophyte is meant to be hard to obtain in the beginning?
keen nebula
Just make Chlorophyte Bars come from crates post-mechs
sleek wigeon
Honestly bth
heavy mural
Just wait a bit for chlorophyte to grow
agile cloud
or dupe it
heavy mural
And then Spelunker Mining potion
agile cloud
I like the idea of crafting/fishing it though
lost agate
@unique owl thats called minions having pierce damage and giving i frames
unique owl
delete iframes
agile cloud
In other words: Break the game
unique owl
yeah
agile cloud
DT breaker for enemies as a consumable is a decent idea
unique owl
no it isnt
agile cloud
if it lasts for like 3 seconds
ashen warren
lol
agile cloud
You have to actually click them though
lost agate
Yeah, you can make all enemies have no frames permanently, if you dont mind about nerfs
agile cloud
No more of this homing bullshit
agile cloud
No joke, i might suggest it
agile cloud
with some mighty balancing
unique owl
all bosses 1hp but you gotta aim
lost agate
Thats stupid
unique owl
and you can now go into decimals for damage
ashen warren
Homing bullets are actually pretty bad tbh
ashen warren
Who put the dead ringer in the suggestions?
agile cloud
Verium is good
unique owl
Anyways this is really off topic
lost agate
No, decimal damage is an awfui idea
ashen warren
Crystal better
unique owl
i would really like there to be some fix to the minions
lost agate
Also dont minimod, im here you know
unique owl
if not from vanilla, then to calamity
ashen warren
Superball better
unique owl
point out how offtopic its getting before me then
unique owl
sec
ashen warren
Minions not hogging iframes might mean the summon damage nerf is increased fyi
lost agate
^
ashen warren
Since it's literally free damage
agile cloud
Summoner doesnt need to be worse in hardmode
ashen warren
Just make the SBOC remove the penalty smh
agile cloud
What if DT breaker made it so enemy iframes are 1/4 of what they usually are, to provide a challenge by wearing it
ashen warren
remove
Sotc and nuggets would meme scal out of existence
ashen warren
What timer said, not you
whats sboc again
Statis' curse belt
Statis belt of curses
Sucky accessory
I preferred mine
unique owl
also i thought that this channel was for talking about suggestions made in #suggestions-voting not for general suggestions
ashen warren
Nah
agile cloud
both apparently
lost agate
Lorde suggestions
unique owl
THOT
ashen warren
The lorde
Let. It. Die.
agile cloud
You really didnt have to finish that
elder kestrel
My dude, the lorde is actual aids and everyone - including fabsol - hates it
hollow shell
Yharim, yeah
ashen warren
The character the Lorde is based on lol
agile cloud
I never fought Lorde, but it looks like complete bullshit
ashen warren
It is
lost agate
It is
ashen warren
^
elder kestrel
yea it is bullshit
ashen warren
Lol
agile cloud
godmode
ruby cobalt
Oh hey a lorde suggestion, nicce instant warn.
lost agate
Anyway, removing that suggestion
agile cloud
He already got warned
agile cloud
yep
frail mantle
i mean, it says specifically in the rules "suggestions to add entire bosses will never be added"
ashen warren
:bruh:
eager palm
ashen warren
hey for my suggestion is 25 damage overpowered?
frail mantle
which one?
frail mantle
ya don't need to specify stats in your suggestions since if it's added the devs will decide them either way
ashen warren
oh
frail mantle
ashen warren
wait maybe this could be a legendary weapon
frail mantle
could be
ashen warren
i think this could be a cool one
frail mantle
although most people probably won't see it because it's sorta an old suggestion now
elder kestrel
but.. worms summons are buggy as fuck
and it doesn't sounds all the unique, or at least not unique enough to be a legendary weapon
elder kestrel
so.. just more than one of the same summon
ashen warren
You get a charm that summons minions for you
elder kestrel
aka more bugs and more frame eating
elder kestrel
Yea the glowing womb charm, sounds cool but maybe elaborate a bit
elder kestrel
cya
ashen warren
I think it could work
Also more than that charm, the weavers, the grimm child and thats it
Plus they lready kind of did that
Like the spore mushroom thingy
That heals you
frail mantle
the fungal clump
ashen warren
Ye
elder kestrel
@unique owl I'm pretty certain that's impossible unless you either
- Remove immunity frames from bosses, which would be absolutely overpowered
- Make summons not activate immunity frames, which would also be overpowered and I'm not even sure if that's possible to be coded without going through a fuck ton of hassle
frail mantle
i think beep beep meant something like making minions operate under different i-frames
elder kestrel
is that even possible??
ruby cobalt
I mean, you can switch things to local iframes
ashen warren
Maybe add to the wiki about how you can turn off iron heart with the calamity addon or apotheosis & friends
Is this a good ideA?
So those without a discord dont have to wait 10 mins
And more to create an account
frail mantle
that's not related to the mod itself
ashen warren
Still it would help
It helps with time consumption
Cuz I waited a while
Just to find it out
frail mantle
apotheosis and friends shares a lot of content with Calamity, but isn't actually a mod that's directly related to the main mod in the same way i.e. the music mod is
also could you please stop fragmenting
ashen warren
Still adding it to the wiki would help people
Get a dev in here
Maybe they can say yes or no
frail mantle
Apotheosis and friends is a different mod to Calamity. You don't add info about the Thorium Mod in the Spirit Wiki.
elder kestrel
Dev's have nothing to do with the wiki
frail mantle
adding apotheosis and friends info to the calamity wiki would be the same thing, essentially
ashen warren
Imagine mingimos
elder kestrel
You're better off pinging say, @hollow shell
ashen warren
Even a link to there wiki would help
Does thorium have disablers for specific challenge consumables in spirit? If not then your point is kinda invalid
Anything small info like a link or saying that you can turn it off like this helps
elder kestrel
Danny's already said no to that before though, I'm pretty sure
frail mantle
i mean that you don't need to have info from a different mod on a wiki, unless the mod is directly affiliated to the main mod, like the Music Mod
ashen warren
But it would help to add it
Like a link
You're just repeating everything you're saying
But is is true
You wouldn’t even have to link it really, just saying that it can be disabled and list which mods can disable it
Yeah
elder kestrel
ashen warren
Any of that would help
RRIP
Was a good thought
Oh wait
What
Calamity mod addon wiki
Ok
elder kestrel
@ruby cobalt
ruby cobalt
No.
elder kestrel
it is allowed though
elder kestrel
haha have fun
ruby cobalt
Then go edit Fargo's wiki, ffs.
ashen warren
They info on what other mods you have to use for some of the mods to work fully
ruby cobalt
It's almost dead so hf.
ashen warren
It wont be hard you just have people tell you what mods there are
ruby cobalt
Also can you not fragment talk, thanks.
ashen warren
I dont know why you guys try so hard to tell me not to
ruby cobalt
Because
a) It doesn't concern this mod.
b) Wikis for this shit are unrequired.
frank stratus
because you're taking up pages of text lmao
ruby cobalt
We don't like dumb pointless things.
frank stratus
its not small tbh lol
ruby cobalt
So you do you.
frail mantle
i think this is a galaxy brain moment
ashen warren
You guys dont like what the community wants to do
ruby cobalt
You are not the community.
ruby cobalt
See, I'm gonna break it down to you nice and quick.
eager palm
elder kestrel
No one said we aren't accepting this
we're just saying it's pointless
elder kestrel
There's a line separating not accepting this and telling you it's pointless; you're wasting your time
eager palm
It was supposed to be a bruh
ashen warren
XD
eager palm
But I misclicked
frank stratus
it was a brick
ruby cobalt
You're speaking for the ENTIRE community, which doesn't know you, nor does it care about you.
frank stratus
:boi:
ashen warren
See
frank stratus
anyways im gonna go
ruby cobalt
End of the talk, you wanna go pointless shit - you do it.
ashen warren
Now your calling me garbage
ruby cobalt
Get on topic now.
frail mantle
ginormous brain moment
ruby cobalt
And don't put words into my mouth.
ruby cobalt
Sure didn't.
ruby cobalt
Alrighty then, here, grab your free warn and skidaddle out of here.
ashen warren
Aight
ruby cobalt
If you don't have anything to say about existing suggestions - don't get in then.
lost agate
Tbh, rogue weapons suggestions are gonna be basically on a hiatus, since next update is gonna add a ton and nobody knows what weapons there will be
ruby cobalt
Not even we know.
lost agate
Smh
lost agate
Well, look at dem changelogs
frail mantle
that's why they're getting overhauled
lost agate
But that isnt the boost it needs
Consumables are balanced around being limited
Tarragon darts still suck tho <_<
ashen warren
I blame the cursed flames. If only there were some Tarra debuff
lost agate
I blame how simple their behavoiur is
Its just.... A thing..... You throw
Nothing else
ruby cobalt
You throw it, nothing happens.
ashen warren
Maybe a splitting effect?
lost agate
Unlike some other stuff that you can manipulate
ashen warren
Or give it daybreak sticking effect
lost agate
That... Would maybe work
If the stacked effect isnt too extreme that is
And the bosses shouldnt be immune to said effect
lost agate
Yes
I mean, if we compare darts to amputator, you can stack amputators and the damage is nice
Darts just fly in one direction and have lack luster dmg
Not to mention the blobs from amputator
ashen warren
Maybe a lifesteal effect?
lost agate
Darts are just a victim of simplism
So adding an effect would be nice
Idk if lifesteal its what it needs
ruby cobalt
Small DR buffs as you hit things?
ashen warren
Maybe
lost agate
That can stack a bit?
ashen warren
^
lost agate
Like until 30% dr less or something
ashen warren
Isn't DR rev +
ruby cobalt
Nah, less, something around 20% max.
lost agate
Yeah
ruby cobalt
Unaffected by DR cap.
lost agate
Or well, it could be less dr to enemies
Its just about deciding if you want it to be for tanking or extra dmg
Because if you ask me, lowering signus or polter DR and then use amputator sounds like a legit strat to me
ashen warren
^
lost agate
Main issue is if that would be too op
ashen warren
Nerf ampy then
lost agate
No
Its like the only good thing to use on sentinels
Nefing it is a bad idea
So, maybe adding dr to you is better
ashen warren
Like a daybreak spear except you get a benefit for how long they stick?
lost agate
Perhaps
With 20% extra dr max
Heck, with this they would be even used outside sentinels
ashen warren
Polter?
lost agate
No i mean, even on scal
lost agate
Just stack them a bit, get the dr and continue dealing dmg
ashen warren
Nice
lost agate
That being said, it should be a slight boost per dart or something so it isnt exploitable
I mean, not getting all the dr by barely using like 2 or 3
Maybe around 10-15 darts for max dr or something
ashen warren
Farming Ueliace slimes for that would be tedious imo
lost agate
And the dr stays for like 1-2 minutes
Sounds like a legit suggestion to me
What do you think?
lost agate
Lemme write it myself then
Good enough?
Wait... Now im worried
What if it breaks like the dmg boost from old tarra ranged?
ruby cobalt
nah
DMG boost was caused by incorrect multiplication
literally a case of missing period
ashen warren
Starred
delicate raft
@civic fulcrum Shadowspec is like, only for dev stuff
untold gulch
yes
civic fulcrum
Oh right
delicate raft
So yeah, devs don't want a summoner weapon
civic fulcrum
Forgot about that
delicate raft
civic fulcrum
Nobody likes summoner
delicate raft
:(
sleek wigeon
@errant laurel big fucking no
if you add more accessory slots you have to buff everything fucking else to compensate.
cyan lagoon
a shield/tracer combo would be overpowered anyway
especially since free accessory slot given you merged the two into one
errant laurel
Well, it would be like playing with 6 slots instead of 5
errant laurel
two slots are gone as of right now, since playing without either a shield or a tracer is suicide (unless you're challenging yourself)
alpine garnet
Tracers are super powerful for one slot already
cyan lagoon
and they're not required anyway
cyan lagoon
you can do well without combining the two
fervent zealot
a combo of them would be seriously busted
runic mesa
neat idea. i would love to see summoner unique prefixes
here is one i thought of
Controlled: +10% damage, +10% minion speed
ashen warren
Minion speed is wack
hollow shell
@slim crag It doesn't increase in effectiveness with Calamity's health upgrades?
slim crag
Nope.
I have used it several times with the Health upgrades and bonus health from accessories and armor. It never gives more than +100 Max. Health.
ashen warren
Sounds more like a bug
runic mesa
^
slim crag
True, could be a bug. I just assumed that it doesn't recognize the extra health upgrades and bonus.
Even on the character select screen, the character appears at 500 Health (even though I should be at 600 with just the upgrades or 740 counting armor and accessories.)
ruby cobalt
Character select screen never recognized extra health.
slim crag
Hm, ok then.
ruby cobalt
Neither does it recognize mana, if you look at it closely.
civic fulcrum
Neither does multiplayer, being on the same team doesnt show more than 500
cyan lagoon
@ashen warren can you explain why you want this change, please?
@potent rover can't do that unfortunately
we're not planning on adding abyss bosses and any that are suggested aren't getting accepted
sour hornet
No boss sugestions
potent rover
alricgt then
potent rover
i can u nderstand
cyan lagoon
you can suggest minibosses if you want
potent rover
kk
sour hornet
Kk I typed and didn't see you sorry about that
potent rover
thank you
cyan lagoon
yw
sleek wigeon
Miniboss not minimod
cyan lagoon
@ashen warren you'll need to put them in one message since it got cut off
sleek wigeon
Easy mistake to make
little raptor
no more swords please
ashen warren
@cyan lagoon beacause the fight is a bit inconsistant, also making the row of mushrooms happen more often but be easier would be way cooler
runic mesa
so it would be more about seeing the whole screen rather than just what it is now
cyan lagoon
gave it the ⭐ so if enough people agrees (both here, and then when it gets sent to the dev server) then who knows
ashen warren
k thank
runic mesa
its kinda hard to do that w/out leaving the desert usually in my experience
untold gulch
not really cheating but cheesing my dude
runic mesa
tho i do agree about the 2nd wave of mini scourges being needed
untold gulch
yes indeed
shy surge
slowing down crabulons projectiles to make the fight more fair?
i think you need to play another mod if you think crabulon is difficult compared to other bosses 👀
runic mesa
^
shy surge
crabulon too difficult for you? have fun with literally any post-hardmode boss
warm tinsel
So, you guys think my remix boxes suggestion is actually good? Along with the other two continuations people wrote me?
magic knot
More Miniscourges are a good idea. Also, you can make the projectiles go through blocks to make it even harder to cheese.
ashen warren
i never put a star on my own suggestion it just dosent feel right
runic mesa
^
void mesa
Hey, anyone here wanna help me work out a summon weapon idea?
runic mesa
sure!
void mesa
Cool!
I have an idea for a support-based worm-type summon, which will be a moon leech, like the Moon Lord's tongue
It heals allies and yourself, like the Spectre Armor, depending on the damage it deals
Would be available post-ML, pre-Prov, and hopefully would be useful til the end of the game, though i may be hoping for too much with that
It wouldn't be the best damage dealer, instead mostly being there for healing
Though, it'd need a lot of segments to be really useful
slim crag
I'm really like this idea, and I don't see if anything needs to be changed for it to work.
void mesa
How would it actually be able to be useful up until the end? What would the damage/healing comparison be? Would it ignore armor and just deal low damage?
runic mesa
Moon Leech Staff:
15 base damage
(ignores defense)
Worm style summon, 2 segments per summon slot
Heals 75% of damage it deals to the player if within a certain range (limitless healing range may get out of hand quick)
Crafting:
15 Luminite bars
3 of each pillar fragment
Stardust dragon staff
At an ancient manipulator
that sound good?
void mesa
Yeah, sounds good.
I'll probably sprite it later and suggest it
and maybe rename it to Moon Leech Staff
runic mesa
k
ashen warren
Maybe luna or lunar leech staff for the alliteration
void mesa
Nah, I'm the kinda person that likes to stay close to the source, and the Moon Bite debuff also allows the Moon Lord to heal via Moon Leech Clots
Hence the name Moon Leech Staff
runic mesa
should i post it in the suggestions chat, or do you want to? also it still does need a "why this would be a good addition" section
i'd credit you if i posted it btw.
void mesa
I'd kinda like to post it. I'll credit you for ideas tho
runic mesa
alright
frail mantle
worm minions are a 
to code
void mesa
i cant think of any better ideas tho
void mesa
eh
vestal elbow
Crabulon is passive when spawned so eh
runic mesa
we could skin it to look like the moon lord's tongue while having the cell's ai to have it attach to enemies
slim crag
True, Crabulon spawning too next to the player is only a problem if he somehow gets hostile too soon.
void mesa
I don't think the whole "moon leech" idea will work if it doesnt look like, yknow, a leech
frosty kindle
@ashen warren crabulon is passive when spawning, giving the player time to move away, and only turns hostile when damaged, or after a while
delicate raft
The only way of him getting hostile too soon is attacking
so you got plenty of time
ashen warren
@frosty kindle stil its not a correct way of spawning a boss
untold gulch
say that to golem
runic mesa
^
ashen warren
lol
frosty kindle
i don't see the problem. and yeah, golem spawns ontop but is NOT passive
runic mesa
or golem SPAWINING IN A WALL, AND PROCEEDING TO FUCK OFF
frosty kindle
if anything, crabulon is giving you leeway to getting free adrenaline
ashen warren
So does ravager lol
frosty kindle
since you can wait out crab = adrenaline charge
delicate raft
it's better for him to spawn right where you are instead of anywhere like most bosses
ashen warren
at latest golem's intro is cool hes like hes jumping on you and you gotta run away! but crabulon is just like.. who dares to eat the despacito mushroom?! gonna lick your face until you damage me and then the fight begins.
Also sised, make a doc with those changes.
delicate raft
despacito mushroom
ashen warren
Spamming the suggestions with them is a bit annoying
k i'll try to shove in multiple ones in one comment
A doc would be advisable.
what do you mean a document like a file or something
slim crag
Yea.
ashen warren
Anything that allows you to escape the accursed character limit
runic mesa
@void mesa what if it acts like a bunch of dank creeper summons in a chain? that way it could "leech" onto enemies while still looking kinda like a leech
void mesa
eh
ashen warren
Sounds mechwormy
void mesa
yeah the main idea is a leech minion, aka a worm type minion
even tho how 
worm minions are to make, its the only idea i got
faint rivet
crab spawning on ur face
red mist
I think that the seabound staff should be buffed. You get the slime staff right as you open the starter bag and it does a lot more damage than the seabound staff.
That’s just my opinion though
errant laurel
@ashen warren I'm late, but: Yharon was pretty scared
red mist
The majority of bosses in pre hard mode are close to the ground, considering that the slime minion can jump, you could use the slime minion for a good chunk of the bosses
void mesa
Many of them jump out of range.
delicate raft
The only reason prehardmode bosses are close to the ground is because you are
void mesa
Also, Slimes can't jump that high.
Seabound staff is already better than Slime staff because of their far bigger attack range and ability to fly.
untold gulch
appeasement gift is actually genius
slim crag
"Appeasement Gift" Yes, please!
untold gulch
i need that so badly
runic mesa
would it work on blood moons/solar eclipses?
untold gulch
what you want to gift the moon
slim crag
Don't think so, those aren't exactly invasions
eager palm
I believe things that end invasions early were suggested already
past cape
Alternatively call it the Vanilla Flag
void mesa
Appeasement Gift for Brimmy when
eager palm
slim crag
To be fair, Appeasement Gift sounds like a one-time thing, while the Defense System would work to prevent following invasions from happening.
untold gulch
^
delicate raft
It says "invasion"
slim crag
I suppose the idea is for it to work against Goblin, Pirate and Martian invasions.
untold gulch
providence really is providense
ashen warren
hollow shell
@lunar thunder Why?
fossil torrent
sploosh
lunar thunder
Why not?
ashen warren
Which suggestion snow?
untold gulch
undines retribution and its upgrade are good enough
ashen warren
The boss or the splash?
hollow shell
It is highly prefered to have a reason for your suggestion
and not just make it for the hell of it
fossil torrent
Probably just ”cool weapon idea”
eager palm
There should still be some sort of reasoning for it
Such as "this part of progression is missing mage weapons etc etc."
ashen warren
I make suggestions for the hell of it, it's just that I try to find a niche, otherwise 🗑
fossil torrent
ye, didn’t say it was a good reason
dense girder
generally when making weapons
lunar thunder
Yeah, I like the attack pattern idea but I couldn't find another good concept for it
dense girder
focus on making something unique or interesting
not filling in gaps
e.g. don't try to continue a single weapon into a whole chain of weapons
make something new
hollow shell
Eh I dunno about that actually
ashen warren
It helps if it does fit a gap in the progression
dense girder
maybe some of them you could continue
hollow shell
I feel like it's good to have weapons in tiers which are lacking in them
and it's also good to have them be unique
dense girder
like for example the earth elemental's drops could def use some
they're u s e l e s s
hollow shell
(Actually they're pretty good)
ashen warren
Slagnum is gud
fossil torrent
Slagnum is the only good one tho
ashen warren
Pike is decent
hollow shell
If you get em early they're definitely usable
ashen warren
The sword is just a BTEC staff of earth
fossil torrent
boulder staff on a stick is pretty meh for everything but worms
ashen warren
Yeah
dense girder
i actually had an idea for an EElem upgrade a while ago
i think it was for the boulder staff or something
fossil torrent
I just never get them tho
dense girder
if you search you'll find it
ashen warren
Staff of earth is golem lol
cyan lagoon
i think he means meteor staff
ashen warren
Or aftershock
fossil torrent
I’m gonna put together an idea
ashen warren
Meetor staff already has an upgrade
void mesa
What would everyone here think of a support-based worm minion that heals players based on damage it deals?
runic mesa
im still for it
void mesa
more people are talking in here rn so it's a good idea to get more opinions on it
in case things need to be changed
ashen warren
It's weird tbh
Cuz mechworm is buggier than a hive
And lifesteal is frowned upon
Might not be the best thing is what I'm saying
void mesa
Well, it'd deal low damage. Would be built solely for support, rather than actually contributing to the damage output
And idk if it'd be considered lifesteal? It's essentially spectre armor, condensed into a minion
ashen warren
Spectre is considered lifesteal
void mesa
oof ok
void mesa
and multiplayer so i can see why a team-based minion that heals people would be considered terrible
it's everything they hate
fossil torrent
Healer class in a nutshell
void mesa
-worm minion
-heals people
-multiplayer based
yeah
i have hope for it.
it's a neat idea, and it'd be super useful.
not overpowered, if the stats are right
but useful
ruby cobalt
worm minion
no
heals people
NO
MP based
are you actual hellspawn
void mesa
i'm a summoner main that desperately craves a proper support role
ruby cobalt
Hello, I'm a summoner main that desecrates shitty ideas that are absolutely broken.
void mesa
you don't gotta be that rude about it, damn.
ruby cobalt
So see, here's the thing with it.
- It's a worm.
Worms are notorious for being buggy as fucking shit, in fact stardust dragon relies on its own system independent on every other summoner AI. Nope, it's an entirely different system. Yes, that's how fucking buggy it is. - Healing.
So you want to give an RNG shitfuckface a healing aspect? You know, the one thing Terraria tried to avoid and then got fucked by it? (see: Spectre armor set) - MP based
MP code is literal garbage mixed with dogshit. You don't design anything around it.
void mesa
yeah man what the heck
cyan lagoon
Counterpoints
ruby cobalt
Aye, aye, captain.
However, this should convey my levels of disappointment with vanilla code.
fossil torrent
Drh at his finest
cyan lagoon
@lunar thunder ammo box is fine as is, 20% chance not to consume ammo is good enough
lunar thunder
But sharpening
lost agate
@lunar thunder that some people dont know that it exists doesnt make it bad
and sharpening is nice
lunar thunder
it only gives 4 armor pen. It is really low even in early game.
Maybe it can give a special buff for true melee.
cyan lagoon
as i was saying:
- It doesn't have to be a stardust dragon-type summon, it could be something else entirely, hell maybe even a sentry.
- You're not wrong but that's what we balance for, it could very easily be capped and kept in respectable levels. Keep it at around 10-20, timed at around 10 or so seconds between and it does its job, obviously nerfing it the more players there are to prevent mass cheese.
- Not wrong again but it goes moot both ways. All because its based around multiplayer does not mean its instantly shit, though it should have some singleplayer perks like Affliction does.
void mesa
yeah, it'd still work in singleplayer
the concept itself is just inspired by multiplayer
ruby cobalt
That's some good criticism, me like.
runic mesa
maybe a limit to the healing range? that way you cant get healed from halfway across the world
void mesa
and i haven't quite thought about it being some other type of minion, maybe one like Spazmaminis, where it's a singular entity that charges are enemies?
And yeah, healing range is another idea we had
ruby cobalt
See, when you suggest things like those you have to also grab a coder's mindset.
void mesa
along with pitifully low damage, but ignores defense to keep it consistent and useful up until the endgame
ruby cobalt
Healing range would give you a headache.
void mesa
so, what's the idea now. small, non-worm summon that's a tiny leech? because it's gonna be a Moon Leech minion
fossil torrent
Make it slow, but REALLY large homing range, just like the moon leech
void mesa
Homing range?
fossil torrent
Lock on minion AI ”i’m gonna kill this guy” thing
fossil torrent
Because it’s a nerf to it, and the moon leech is really slow
Thought it was a way to limit it
void mesa
i mean, i imagined it would already be pretty weak
decent healing only being achieved if you used tons of em
hence the reason i originally wanted it to be a worm minion
fossil torrent
It fits themewise tho, and if you make it slow you have more space to make other aspects of it stronger
fossil torrent
Well not super slow but slow
Compare it to the moon leech itself
but you’re the creator of it, do whatever you want i’m not gonna force ya
just an idea
void mesa
i say it seems balanced enough, with the low damage, meh healing, and all that. a fast speed would be good for it.
sure yeah a slow speed but more healing sounds good on paper but in practice? just means healing happens occassionally in weird bursts
i'd take constant stream over hard to predict moments any day
even if it's very little
tawdry parrot
This is where we drop suggestions before posting them in the actual chat, right?
Suggestion: Chain Knives Revamp
Recipe: 10 Chain Any Vanilla Metal Shortsword
Reason: As it stands, there are only two chain knives in the game. I find this kind of Bizarre; it's a unique weapon type with plenty of potential. Not only is the base Chain Knife uncraftable, but the base item is also not involved in any recipes itself.
To make Chain Knives a little cooler and a little more viable, I also suggest a change be made to the chain knives; make them stackable, up to 3 or 5 depending on the weapon tier. Throwing several chain knives at once sounds pretty badass.
There's also the obligatory Mortal Kombat reference that could be made with a higher-tier Chain Knife.
harsh latch
welp, corrupt mimics also drop another chain knife, the chain guillotines
tawdry parrot
Forgot about that weapon tbh
lavish lily
You guys should make another channel for meme suggestions
opal barn
No, never
radiant meadow
Ban roB for promoting meme suggestions tbh 
lavish lily
I'll either get blocked from suggestions or get upvoted by a bunch of memelords
eager palm
opal barn
Either way, you lose
lavish lily
no u
radiant meadow
you can't get upvoted by memelords because the suggestion won't last 5 minutes
ashen warren
ancient dragon
Nnno.
opal barn
Okay cease now
ancient dragon
Aye.
misty talon
When it was said that a meme suggestion channel should be made I could feel the ulcers creeping into my stomach.
Also some new buff stations would be epic
ashen warren
I think a nice buff to the sharpening station that wouldn't make it too powerful early game is to make the armor penetration percentage based instead of a flat amount
cyan lagoon
huh
lavish lily
Good
cyan lagoon
zerg potions would probably have to be tinkered with if it gets in
gritty crow
Probably could include the Zerg potion in its recipe
tropic yoke
Make its recipe the gravity potion and peace candle.
Since the gravity potion dun flips stuff.
round falcon
5%
Max spawn rate with zerg is about 90 enemies iirc
Almost guarenteed to get one boss
Sorry no you're guarenteed to get 4
lavish lily
Should've just said small chance so that the devs could figure that part out
round falcon
I'd say 10% and only the next boss in "true progression" at a 0.5% as prelim
We don't want DoG, Yharon, Provi, and Ravager to roll up all at once
ashen warren
Late, but the "Appeasement Gift" is pretty nice
lusty moss
ok i fixxed my grammar