suggestions-discussion

[lost agate]

but there is none

[ashen warren]

Readd profaned serpent

[hollow shell]

ungodly*

[lost agate]

and that wont happen afaik

[ashen warren]

I hope not

because in mythology wyvrens dont look like worms

That was buggy

[hollow shell]

Asia would like to have a word with you

[topaz flint]

technically

the wyverns in terraria are based off chinese dragons.

[ashen warren]

oh

[topaz flint]

the name is really misleading

[ashen warren]

Based off of Spirited Away

[topaz flint]

like wyverns and chinese dragons don't have similar designs

so w a t

[hollow shell]

or Neverending Story

[topaz flint]

then again "chinese dragon" doesn't have a ring to it like "wyvern" does

[ashen warren]

i just think while fighting a wyvren it can be kind of boring

Falcor wack

they should shoot fire

[topaz flint]

yeah that seems like something that revengence/death makes for them

or better yet expert mode for the vanilla game

[ashen warren]

they should make them look better by adding scales and maybe some color to them

Oh look, another Astral Monolith suggestion.

I pray that gets in so I don't have to deal with it again

[radiant meadow]

I believe this is close enough for a ☑
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/514759207615070208

[hollow shell]

Yeah

"tlehb"

[lost agate]

oh boy, messing with vanilla sprites

[ashen warren]

wait is that hard

[lost agate]

thats dangerous grounds

i guess so

[hollow shell]

I've seen several mods do it, so I don't think it's that hard
but

I don't think it's a thing we want to do...

[ashen warren]

just keep in mind that i dont know shit about coding

i know how to play a game

but not how to code it

Nerf Leaf Wings?

who said that?

I did

[runic mesa]

is this a good sprite for a reaper tooth styled arrow?

[ashen warren]

Wow, that's a ton of detail

Way too much detail.

Oof

[runic mesa]

i started off of a base of the reaper tooth. rip

[ashen warren]

Just ask the guys at calamity art.

They know better than I do

Just don't piss them off, as nightmare fuel'll tell you

[hollow shell]

You gotta size it up 2x

all Terraria sprites are in 2x2

which would subsequently mean
your sprite is way too big

[ashen warren]

^\

[runic mesa]

2x2 meaning? this is really the first time ive tried spriting for anything

[fervent sky]

Lemme show you

[fervent sky]

There ya go

[ashen warren]

@leaden sorrel Remove the 'Boss' Drops, not including the snowstorm staff, the boss drops generally are never upgraded upon.

[hollow shell]

All "pixels" are 2 pixels wide by 2 pixels tall

[fervent sky]

You beat me to it

[hollow shell]

(brother I made that image)

[fervent sky]

Ah ok

It's a nice example

[leaden sorrel]

@ashen warren is Icicle Trident included?

[ashen warren]

Prolly not

[radiant meadow]

Abyssal Tome gets an upgrade

[ashen warren]

I said, generally.

Not always

[runic mesa]

so wait would the sprite above be a good projectile then?

[radiant meadow]

daemon's flame gets an upgrade (and a couple of other things in drat recipe)

[ashen warren]

Drat is dev item

Sorry, Donor

[radiant meadow]

actually, it's a UT item

so neither

[ashen warren]

Oof

But it's not really a mainstream weapon, is it?

[radiant meadow]

but Light God's Brilliance is

[ashen warren]

Donor

[radiant meadow]

okay, what about baleful harvester

[ashen warren]

Pumpking's not a real boss, is it?

[radiant meadow]

but it uses book of skulls

[ashen warren]

As said, generally.

Also, BoS is the only item Skelly drops in normal mode.

And that glove it has is pretty bad now.

[fervent sky]

Bruh 110 stars on my achievements suggestion

[ashen warren]

About 70 on mine

[runic mesa]

would this be a good sprite for reaper tooth styled arrows?

[ashen warren]

SMOL

2x2

[lost agate]

opinions on my suggestion?

[ashen warren]

Make a sacrifice free WOF

[lost agate]

thats a fargo thing tho

[misty talon]

big gae also zerg

its worth the kamikaze

[lost agate]

yeah, but zerg barely after beating WoF is uh......

[hollow shell]

Recipe ain't enough?

[lost agate]

wait...

[radiant meadow]

yes, a recipe was added in 1.4

[ashen warren]

Oof I forgot about that

[misty talon]

cant blame you though with all the mods that add recipes

[lost agate]

well im stupid

brb nuking my suggestion

[ashen warren]

-1 ⭐

[lost agate]

and this folks is why you check shit before suggesting

well... now we only need martian invasion summoner
but that has been suggested non stop

[charred gate]

49 on mine

[misty talon]

im getting the belt out

[charred gate]

Feelsbadman

[misty talon]

that was the last straw

[lost agate]

oh yeah?

😤

[ashen warren]

An event, but it's just the bosses that drop useful stuff, Martian Saucer/Pumpking/Mourning Wood/ Everscream/Ice Queen etc.

[lost agate]

well my dudes, imma tell you that i legit have no more ideas for suggestions

[ashen warren]

Upgrade to teardrop cleaver

[misty talon]

idk about the ideas like event summoning shops since a lot of mods handle that kind of stuff already, and it especially clogs up if they have common npcs that sell things

[ashen warren]

EoW/BoC specific weapons

[charred gate]

I can't think of much for suggestions, and my ideas aren't getting much support.

[misty talon]

i seriously doubt a lot of people only use calamity anyway, who are the suggestions catering to for event summons/etc

[ashen warren]

Just look at the wiki and say, what am I missing here!

Tbh I feel like in terms of items, QoL changes and bosses that calamity is reaching maximum capacity

[charred gate]

More post-ML summons.

[ashen warren]

Add more furniture

[charred gate]

More pets.

[lost agate]

well elita, lemme tell you that dryad inventory is already a mess, so youre too late

[misty talon]

I know, it probably needs to be trimmed down

[ashen warren]

But honestly, unless more progression will be added, items are pretty redundant

Pets
Calamity's vanities

[misty talon]

i'd say calamity should have a dedicated shop npc or just not deal with it in general

[lost agate]

OH

[ashen warren]

Maybe asking to remove items

[lost agate]

i just thought of something

[misty talon]

dedicated shop npc?

[ashen warren]

Lore furniture that eats lore items like the extractinator does silt and allows you to read the definitions rather than wasting a chest or two on them?

[misty talon]

or just throw them away

[ashen warren]

A lore journal or npc has already been suggested

Eating the lore items with an item like that seems pointless tbh

[lost agate]

how is that?

[ashen warren]

It'd put them to better use.

[misty talon]

called it <o/

[radiant meadow]

might as well download fargo's mutant mod at that point tbh

[ashen warren]

I'd make it not spawn when fargo's is on

[lost agate]

well if calamity is gonna bother on putting QoL shit then yeah, just goddamn ignore it and grab another mod amirite?

[misty talon]

yeah thats my thoughts, though a dedicated shop npc would be useful for those things like selling worm scarves in a crimson world etc

actually I'd add that on since it frankly makes no sense for dryad to sell that

[lost agate]

its a suggestion for the calamity only experience to be better, not just "well this other mod already has it"

well surprise surprise, almost all QoL things in calamity are in other mods, yet they are still there

[ashen warren]

Why add lots of bosses, Tremor has more

[lost agate]

smh

[misty talon]

add 6 more yharon phases each time you just need to restart the fight to get to the next phase, repeat

they wanted more bosses

[ashen warren]

Really though, overdoing the QOL aspect is really easy to do.

[misty talon]

true and its not really calamity's job to handle QOL beyond taking care of crafting tree issues like needing crimson items in a corruption world

[lost agate]

yeah, but being a little more organized with it doesnt hurt anybody

[ashen warren]

well there will be new bosses coming

in a while

Yeah, endgame + post game bosses

The idea of 4 more bosses is... hooooboy

[lost agate]

theres gonna 4 more bosses tho

[devout seal]

2 more bosses, 2 more superbosses.

[ashen warren]

hey look im trying to nohit these bosses on pinkies server so 4 new bosses

Not >more< superbosses, scal is getting downgraded when the others come

what should I say about this

[runic mesa]

would this be small enough for a mid air arrow sprite for the Reaper arrow

[ashen warren]

Is that 1x1 I smell?

[hollow shell]

bruh Exotic

Do I gotta show you?

This is what a Terraria sprite looks like

2x2

[runic mesa]

so wait, i submit a 1x1 version of that? or do i submit the 2x2 version. im really not understanding this.

[radiant meadow]

keep in mind the sprite doesn't have to be perfect and can just be concept art for the item

[hollow shell]

"Submit"?

[runic mesa]

as in submit a suggestion

[hollow shell]

2x2.

You only really send a 1x1 version if you giving it to someone else to edit, makes it a tad easier for em

in all other instances, 2x2

[ashen warren]

2x2 Because that's how you see it ingame and that's all anybody cares about

[runic mesa]

oh.

[ashen warren]

ezpz

How about a flamethrower sword?

[hollow shell]

btw you should go to the art server so that people can yell at you to read pins
in order to improve your sprite

[ashen warren]

^

[radiant meadow]

you have to describe the suggestion

[hollow shell]

boy that's still 1x1

[ashen warren]

Jirachi, Ima tryna see if people want it or not before giving it thought.

Fyi, to make a sprite 2x2 export it at a higher res

So if the 1x1 version is 16x16 then make it 32x32

[hollow shell]

Or, 200% scale with Nearest Neighbor

depending on what program you're using

[ashen warren]

That one also as well

[runic mesa]

so if it was 69x17 pixels, make it 178x34 px?

[hollow shell]

Yes

I think

no, 138x34

[ashen warren]

Math is hard

[runic mesa]

my bad when typing. i did actually just scale it to 138

so like this?

[ashen warren]

Jeezus

Looks blurry as shit

[runic mesa]

ill go fix that, but the size is right?

[ashen warren]

Still looks large

But if that's what you want, I won't judge

It's a bit big for a gun if that's what it is

It's an Arrow I think

[radiant meadow]

that's not a gun

it's an arrow

[runic mesa]

im trying to make an arrow, so i guess its way too big for that.

[ashen warren]

it's an arrow
WTF

[runic mesa]

so scale it way down

[hollow shell]

That's not Nearest Neighbor

what program are you using?

[runic mesa]

gimp

[ashen warren]

Mhm

[hollow shell]

I think it has an option for that

[ashen warren]

Yes I use missiles as arrows

[hollow shell]

Not too sure

[ashen warren]

I use missles as bullets

[hollow shell]

That looks like Bilinear or Bicubic, cuz those result in blurring

[runic mesa]

so this would be still to big for a 2x2?

[hollow shell]

Yes

[ashen warren]

Detailed AF

[hollow shell]

Like, almost as big as Flak Kraken

[ashen warren]

Yea that's a spear imo

[hollow shell]

(Flak Kraken is 140 × 44 in 2x2)

[ashen warren]

Flraken

[runic mesa]

thanks for the compliment timer, and im thinking of making it a spear now, and wow thats a good refrence size actually

[hollow shell]

note:
Flak Kraken is a big gun.

[sinful violet]

its pretty long, ye

[hollow shell]

Very big.

[sinful violet]

[ashen warren]

Looks like it's made entirely out of Lumenyl tho

[hollow shell]

It's supposed to be a Reaper Tooth thing

[runic mesa]

maybe make the head look more like a reaper tooth?

[ashen warren]

I can see the reaper tooth tbh

Yeah, but omega blue is too, and that looks nothing like lumenyl

Honestly, I don't know what omega blue is supposed to be either

Check out the art server though, the pins are helpful and this is pretty offtopic imo

Is it? We were discussing how to improve a suggestion.

It's a sprite not a suggestion

Sprite for a suggestion.

Sprite nonetheless

[radiant meadow]

honestly, at this point, just make some concept art or a rudimentary sprite for others to work off of
it does not need to be perfect

[ashen warren]

Isn't irrelevant, he did say that'd he was considering making it into a spear

[sleek wigeon]

"when you hear the word wyvern you expect a tough fight"

Disagree

[ashen warren]

Hah

[sleek wigeon]

when i hear the word wyvern i expect a fight against a lesser dragon

[ashen warren]

I quake in my boots when I see the boss bar for the demonic green slime

Wait, isn't betsy a lesser dragon?

[radiant meadow]

I mean, you can always have an arrow and a spear suggestion

[ashen warren]

Betsy is a legit dragon, just a weak one.

[sleek wigeon]

I mean technically betsy is a technical wyvern

[ashen warren]

go check out a wyvern in mythology

Betsy is a european dragon

yeah

She's been sitting around playing tower defense all day

[runic mesa]

ill probably make an arrow later for that idea

[ashen warren]

1x1
Sigh

[sleek wigeon]

Modern day, the term wyvern generally refers to a dragon with only 2 legs. so yeah a wyvern.

[ashen warren]

and yharon is a mix between a bird and a European dragon

Phoenix

Big ass jungle phoenix

big ass jungle phoenix dragon

Interesting to note that the wyverns were actually peaceful, until the corruption came. iirc that part of the lore hasn't been overwritten yet

So, they would be oriental

so why are they other dragons mean

What?

nevermind

this should be an enemy in terraria

We have medusa

And the flying snakes

Cocktrices are wack

They use petrification, I wouldn't want that annoying debuff

how about a basilisk

[runic mesa]

id like to see that

[ashen warren]

it would swallow you whole

How 'bout no?

Swallow effects are always cheap in videogames

your right about that

what if it just wrapped you around like how snakes do in real life

it would suffocate you

Collassal squid does that, so it's feasible

or perhaps a megalodon

it would be cooler than the great sand shark

[jovial spire]

Basilisks are already in terraria lol

[ashen warren]

Yeah but, not really.

@ashen warren i know im SUPER late to commenting ur suggestion

but unless theres a cap to how many u can summon

thats gonna lag the hell out of ur game

[sleek wigeon]

I mean you could also have cockatrices insta kill you instead, if you dont like petrification

[runic mesa]

oh no

[ashen warren]

Green slimes instakill now

[sleek wigeon]

@lost agate Oh you means the mutant?

[radiant meadow]

@hollow shell added flag to Tranquility/Chaos Candles
@jovial spire @fossil torrent it's official now

[hollow shell]

Nice

[jovial spire]

yay

[dusty stirrup]

[ashen warren]

Zerg + candles

Framerate would collapse

= death

[dusty stirrup]

they won't stack tho

[ashen warren]

Heck

[radiant meadow]

sad story

[dusty stirrup]

bamboosled

[jovial spire]

hopefully ill have that luck with my dark soul reference weapon im working on

[ashen warren]

So sad, can we get 2 stars

Maybe

Weapons are rare to go in

[jovial spire]

well not rally a weapon

*really

[ancient atlas]

candles were added pogchamp

[jovial spire]

Well not a usual weapon

[ashen warren]

Is it a magblade?

[jovial spire]

some one said something earlier that got me thinking, "At this point post Ml projectile swords may as well do magic damage"

[ashen warren]

Ew

I was right

[jovial spire]

Moonlight Greatsword rip off

[ashen warren]

We got the aegis/mirror blade

[jovial spire]

Well those d oa combo of melee and magic

[ashen warren]

What more d'you want

[jovial spire]

(do a

I was think just full magic damage

[ashen warren]

Magsword wack

Have fun I guess

Magic damage
Sword
please no

[jovial spire]

ik that most suggestion wont get in i just have fun making this stuff.

[ashen warren]

Mage swords are so boooring

Aegis blade

Mirror Blade

Those have reasons

[jovial spire]

yeah i guess

good point

[ashen warren]

The mirror blade reflects because mana is the only form of depletable energy that one has other than health

The Aegis blade uses mana because it is trash

[runic mesa]

^

[ashen warren]

Make the earth elemental drop an accessory that contributes to the HOTE

[sleek wadi]

I'd rather have EE star in its own accessory

[ashen warren]

No more waifus/husbandos

[torn creek]

The candle suggestion made it through

But the alchemy table one didn't I think

:\

[ashen warren]

Not enough waifus

[tropic yoke]

Where's the Earth Waifu, C'mon!

[ashen warren]

Nice Pfp

[tropic yoke]

Best waifu

[ashen warren]

It is already a waifu

[sleek wadi]

You could grind meat on those abs.

[tropic yoke]

I was legit gonna say something here... I forgot.

[ashen warren]

That'd be something

I mean, I tried my hand at it

[tropic yoke]

Are resprites still the least of people's concern?

[ashen warren]

Turns out making statuesque stone waifus is harder than spiriting weapons

Yep

[tropic yoke]

Aww

That makes me sad

[ashen warren]

Please no

[sleek wadi]

Looks like it'd be very in effective. The kunai turned into what is effectively a thumbtack

[tropic yoke]

in effective

[ashen warren]

The range sounds about right

[sleek wadi]

You'd stab someone with it, then it couldn't get past the first ring

[ashen warren]

It doesn't look... Chaotic enough

Kunai got resprote? rip

[tropic yoke]

Holy hell riptide reaper

👌

[spark flax]

Cosmic Kunai 4 looks more like a Cosmic Dildo

[ashen warren]

Insert yo momma joke here

[ashen warren]

Paige no

[keen nebula]

How would you know

[devout seal]

huh.

Has my last suggestion been sent in yet?

[lost agate]

Idk

[hollow shell]

No but I can

get on that

[devout seal]

Thank you.

[hollow shell]

@rapid pivot Include a bit of reasoning to go along with that

[rapid pivot]

Ah, sorry.

Better?

[lost agate]

That formatting looks bad

At least on phone

[hollow shell]

Yes that is better

Not sure what the deal is with Bepis's suggestion tho

[lost agate]

A lot better

[hollow shell]

@small talon Why not just
Use all of the items you start with?

It's not hard

[small talon]

idk it seems like a good way to just get everything done at once

[keen nebula]

When you make a softcore character

[small talon]

also maybe add some special drop if you kill dog having used that item

[keen nebula]

And then use an item to hardcore

[hollow shell]

Iron Heart, Berber

[keen nebula]

That's situational hardcore

[small talon]

one problem with iron heart, it only makes you die like in hardcore against bosses, hardcore is everything

[keen nebula]

You ain't gonna lose to some boulder

And you can despawn nearly any boss by just logging out

[hollow shell]

Very superfluous item, Bepis, but sure I guess...

[sleek wadi]

No one who wants the permadeath experience uses Hardcore just because of boulders.

[rapid pivot]

isn't hardcore per-character, not per-world?

or

other way around

[small talon]

no hardcore is character

[hollow shell]

(I'd like to point out that three of those tooltip lines are just flavor text)

[small talon]

thats the point

[hollow shell]

Like, I get it
but

it's just fluff

[rapid pivot]

fluff that you have to use in the first 60 seconds, mind you

[small talon]

i could cram it into one sentence, but that would look messy

[rapid pivot]

plus, you get all of these things at the start, don't you?

[small talon]

you dont get Armageddon

[hollow shell]

Nah I mean that you're writing a suggestion
It doesn't need to have the flavor on it, you could just say "Its tooltip would have warnings about making sure you want to use it"

[cyan lagoon]

Its completely pointless anyway

No point in using it if it doesnt have anything new

And instead causes more headaches than laughs

[dusty stirrup]

and hardcore meme

[sleek wadi]

If it did something new on top of all the effects then there would be a point.

[small talon]

i was thinking of having some extra rewards for post dog

[hollow shell]

Put that in the suggestion

[sleek wadi]

It'd have to be a trophy item.

[hollow shell]

Because it's not in the suggestion.

[dusty stirrup]

wouldn't that technically count as a deathmode item

[hollow shell]

Nah

[keen nebula]

DAD includes death

[hollow shell]

There's no rule against mode-adding items

[dusty stirrup]

I thought there was one for deathmode

[cyan lagoon]

Death related drops?

[hollow shell]

yeah, Deathmode-exclusive items

Not just Deathmode related

[dusty stirrup]

I mean it's kinda deathmode-exclusive

[hollow shell]

Please don't try and stretch the rules just to get this suggestion deleted

[sleek wadi]

The reward would be deathmode exclusive.

The item itself is fine.

[dusty stirrup]

nah I'm not, it's just that it would be deathmode exclusive?

[charred gate]

Do old suggestions ever get upvoted by people? Just curious if I should give up hope on my suggestions.

[hollow shell]

Nah not usually

[dusty stirrup]

sometimes they do

[sleek wadi]

I've seen suggestions from like 3 days ago get to 65 stars

[hollow shell]

After like a week there's pretty much no chance your star count will change

[toxic aurora]

um guys there is no accesorie to be inmune to the armor crunch, should it be added?

[dusty stirrup]

people rarely go down the rabbit hole of suggestions

[rapid pivot]

um

[charred gate]

My next question is, is it okay etiquette to remove and repost, or just leave it to the void?

[rapid pivot]

it's only inflicted by one enemy cherry

[cyan lagoon]

Armor crunch is a player only debuff, no...?

[charred gate]

I presume leave it to the void.

[dusty stirrup]

Literally only golem inflicts golem

[sleek wadi]

There shouldn't be a new accessory for it, but if it was really necessary just apply it to Armor Polish and its upgrades.

[hollow shell]

You can repost an unsuccessful suggestion after 1 week has passed

[charred gate]

Okay. Thank you for the clarification, it is much appreciated.

[hollow shell]

np

[charred gate]

I'll do my best to avoid bothering you all with stuff like this in the future.

[fossil torrent]

It’s official

[elder sparrow]

apollyon drive? more like pointless

[devout seal]

^

[rapid pivot]

hm

what would everyone think of a mode where you can only fight each boss once? A sort of lore-friendly mode, so to speak.

Maybe get expanded lore entries from it.

[hollow shell]

But you'd need to get all weapons/accessories/etc guaranteed to drop
and a very substantial amount of whatever material they drop

[rapid pivot]

I was thinking it'd be part of a challenge mode. 😛

[hollow shell]

In fact that actually sounds like it'd be preferable over the normal way

No need to refight anyone

[rapid pivot]

Hm. Maybe, but my thought process is that it'd also force people to work with limited resources.

[hollow shell]

Well we don't want anybody to fuck themselves

[rapid pivot]

Like, all of these modes are neat, but.. they only focus on increasing how hard the bosses are, yeah?

They don't really take power away from the player, force them to make concessions.

Except maybe the defiled rune.

tbh i'm not outright suggesting it because i get the feeling it'd be a bit divisive and i wanna gauge interest a bit first

I'm listening to Roar of the Jungle Dragon, and like.. given how story-heavy that song is, I can't help but think about what it'd be like if every boss death felt, y'know, like you were actually 'killing' that boss.

Y'know?

[hollow shell]

Yeah it makes sense

Just dunno if it'd make for good gameplay in Terraria specifically

s'fine in almost all other games

[rapid pivot]

Fair enough.

but i'unno, I listen to Roar of the Jungle Dragon, and I think 'what if'?

Either way, i'll leave it for someone else to suggest, I think.

[lunar rune]

slagnum

[hollow shell]

I'm afraid to star it because I know it's just gonna get like 150 for the meme

[arctic wren]

⭐

[lunar rune]

not a meme tho

[hollow shell]

Whatever

[gaunt karma]

it is superior

[sleek wadi]

Pun names are superior, change my mind

[hollow shell]

It's not a pun, it's a PORTMANTEAU

fuck yeah, spelled it right first try

[gaunt karma]

I'm proud of you, spelling is hard sometimes

Especially how that word is pronounced to how it's written

[hollow shell]

listen man

I don't need your condescension

[gaunt karma]

that sounded

yep

I wasn't being condescending

I swear

[elder sparrow]

condescening*

fab would never add apollyon drive or whatever that is because he thinks hardcore is dumb

[gaunt karma]

I uh

[lunar rune]

hardcore is dumb tho

[elder sparrow]

a new npc that sells boss summons could make things more organized

[gaunt karma]

Actually did spell that right

[elder sparrow]

i'd imagine like an overseer

or a yharim spirit

[gaunt karma]

It'd be great to have an NPC that sells only boss summons

[lunar rune]

fargos exists tho

[sleek wadi]

Apollyon Drive is pointless because you could just toggle all the difficulty increasers.

[elder sparrow]

we're talking about calamity not fargos

[gaunt karma]

like sure i'd need to make a whole extra house but less clutter is always nice

am I allowed to vote on my own suggestion

[hollow shell]

Not recommended

[keen nebula]

We will

[gaunt karma]

lol

[keen oxide]

What if expert/rev/death first boss kill dropped a bit more magnum rounds/grenade shells?

Also @rapid pivot I think the planter box boost should only apply if the planter box is the matching one. Because you can buy blinkroot planter boxes as soon as you get the dryad and make your whole greenhouse out of it

[rapid pivot]

Is what I meant, ye.

[gaunt karma]

@sleek wadi it also lists Frost flare as a ranger accessory on the wiki under pre mech bosses if you want to add that

[sleek wadi]

I've heard that the guide has been outdated for a while, I'll leave that up to whoever is in charge of it.

[hollow shell]

oof

[sleek wadi]

Might be a funny footnote though

Actually shit that'd be a great one considering the fact that one could use Frost armor and Frost Flare together.

[warm tinsel]

@small talon Thank you for adding the good part on my Threats suggestion, I really thought about the remixes and forgot we can get pretty much any abyss boss to have a chance to drop it, adult eidolon would finally feel more rewarding than ever

[radiant meadow]

why does Apollyon Drive formatting look so weird?

[frail mantle]

They probably pressed space a lot instead of enter once

[cold terrace]

How about another portmanteau suggestion to rename blood orbs to blorbs

[radiant meadow]

No

[keen nebula]

Bloodstones to blones

[ashen warren]

Yharon to yarr tbh

[frail mantle]

Yharon to Yhon

[delicate raft]

Mandible Bow to Mandibow

[eager palm]

Supreme Calamitas to Supamitas

[frail mantle]

Pets are supposed to be...pets, not stat boosts that walk around and follow you

[magic verge]

pets in many games give you bonuses, what kind of point is that "pets are supposed to be pets"

[ashen warren]

Pets having some sort of effect on a fight (outside of light pets) isn’t a good idea tbh

[magic verge]

why?

they would differ from summons

and would give a technical reason to get them

[ashen warren]

The reason for collecting pets is just vanity tbh, I don’t see that changing any time soon

[magic verge]

and would be more useful to the game in general without breaking anything

[ashen warren]

Except it’s then more buffs when the buffs you can obtain rn are fine as is? I just don’t see the point when atm you deal more than enough damage, have more than enough mobility etc

[vestal elbow]

Pet vanity slots over the functional pet

[magic verge]

because you could add original effects without the need of making a potion for it

[ashen warren]

And if you combine it gets stupid, surely you can see that

[magic verge]

picture a slime pet give you 5% resistance to slimes. you just dont make a 5% resistance to slimes potion

that would be stupid

[tender obsidian]

I disagree with idea

Pets are cool as they are

And also rArE

[sleek wigeon]

No, no pet stats

i dont want my favorite pet to become the "objectively wrong" choice because the pet i like gives a boost to some worthless stat

[ashen warren]

Gotta catch em all

[lost agate]

I aint trashing that bear pet and you aint gonna change my mind

[gaunt karma]

The thing about getting buffs on pets

it's just not necessary

its effectively another accessory slot, but only for that certain accessory

[lost agate]

Yeah, not everything that follows you has to be useful you know

[gaunt karma]

some buffs would be better than others for certain classes, making some pets effectively necessary for a "perfect" build

[lost agate]

Basically ruining the porpuse of pets

[gaunt karma]

a good small change for pets would be like

light pets having more light

but buffs? thats just dumb

[lost agate]

I mean, light pets porpuse is to follow you around while giving light, and a pet only porpuse is simply following you, and maybe look cute

[gaunt karma]

yeah, you're not wrong

most light pets i've gotten have provided very little light, but enough to see which is what they're supposed to do

[lost agate]

Mhm

[ashen warren]

they should add more dragons to the game

am I right

[frail mantle]

why

[ashen warren]

there cool

[frail mantle]

that's not a good reason

[ashen warren]

and its an oputunity for a lot of cool loot

betsy drops cool stuff

[ruby cobalt]

You know whats also a good opportunity?

If you post this in #suggestions-voting and I get rid of you rn.

[frail mantle]

if they dropped something that is useful, i can understand it, but if it's just because "dragons are cool"... just no

[ashen warren]

scrap that idea

because i know its bad

[placid moth]

I was thinking of a channel plainly for like any kind of math/science questions to seek help.

prolly a bad idea

[opal barn]

#general-talk

is for that

[placid moth]

maybe

[ashen warren]

how about improving the starfish AI so they can go through blocks

[placid moth]

u what

[frail mantle]

do you mean the Brittle Star minion

[ashen warren]

yes

and the hardmode version of it too

[worthy fiber]

Nah, else we wouldn't have a reason to keep the Slime Staff around during spelunking

The HM one, maybe

Though I bet it's been suggested before

[opal barn]

The hm one deserves something like that, it gets outclassed by ice clasper imo

[ashen warren]

who thinks that calamity should add more to the ocean

[torn creek]

Me

[neon igloo]

I mean
We kinda got an abyss

[torn creek]

Abyss is nice, but an expanded world only unlock able after yharon (like yharims or draedons base or smnthing) would be cool

Because just adding in another structure to the already crowded world seems eh

[elder kestrel]

What about the sulphuric seas and the abyss though

yea

[ashen warren]

but the normal ocean is not that different besides the leviathen

maybe they should add some new enemies there

[torn creek]

Mantis shrimp

[worthy fiber]

Moray Eel thing

[torn creek]

What about those urchin things

[worthy fiber]

Yeah those too

[keen nebula]

You know the ocean

We need more than an aquatic depths ripoff

Jkjk I love the abyss

It nails the creepy feeling much more than the aquatic depths ever could

[frank stratus]

when you suggestion comes back but another person suggests it

[keen nebula]

Imagine the suspense of abyss exploration in mediumcore or hardcore

[frank stratus]

lmao

[keen nebula]

Sweating irl

Like defusing a bomb

[fresh harbor]

Imagine accidentaly usind rod in hardcore abyss

[placid moth]

then magic mirror bruh

[charred gate]

I just wish the abyss was significantly bigger.

Not deeper, but wider.

[jovial spire]

It already destroys the dungeon

[charred gate]

I want the Mariana Trench

[jovial spire]

If it were much wider small worlds wouldnt have a dungeon at all

[charred gate]

Hecc.

What about expanding world-gen another hundred or so blocks horizontally to allow a bigger abyss?

[jovial spire]

That would put the dungeon in the sniw biome

Which the games code would be a big nono

[charred gate]

Good point.

[ruby cobalt]

oh look a closed doc

@dense briar might wanna open that up

[hollow shell]

Also give a summary of what it is in the message you send the link in

[dense briar]

how do you open it?

sorry first time making a doc

[ruby cobalt]

go find the shared access button and set it to "Viewing available to everyone"

it's somewhere on the top right iirc

[hollow shell]

blue Share button
click "Get Shareable Link"
Set to "Anyone with a link can view"
then copy the link

[dense briar]

done, ty!

[hollow shell]

Yep, that works

[dense briar]

it's just a few ideas that popped into my head that i thought would be cool

[hollow shell]

Still should include a message along with the link, summarizing what's in the doc

by the way @small talon You can put < > around links to stop that giant preview from appearing
like this: <https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Seafood>

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Seafood

[small talon]

ok thx good to know

[hollow shell]

👍

Thank you

[runic mesa]

I love the idea of the slimes leaving damaging puddles, but I feel slimes climbing up walls would make the 2 spider enemies feel less unique

[dense briar]

good point

could make the movement different so they jump up it instead of crawling

kinda like that goo toy you throw and it sticks to something

[runic mesa]

I'd like that

[dense briar]

you know the one that people pick up papers or money with or w/e

[runic mesa]

Yea

I'd suggest editing the document instead of the post, as it would look more professional

[dense briar]

mm not sure how to change the text under the ''make slimes more interesting''

[runic mesa]

Well if you can't figure it out, just edit the post

[hollow shell]

@frail mantle aaa include a summary with the link

[frail mantle]

big brain moment fixed

[hollow shell]

Okay good enough

[tender obsidian]

Big brain makes me ANGRY

[cyan lagoon]

eugh, as much as it could be a meme i'm rather conflicted

Burden breaker is a meme in of itself, not in name but in description (which has "go fast") and function

[unique owl]

yeah

that's why it should be "gotta go speed"

[ashen warren]

The only reason one would rename it is for the sake of the meme

[unique owl]

@civic fulcrum having the summons all at once is good idea, but having the minions do less damage is stupid imo. Having it take away like 200 hp or something, then there would only be a temporary effect rather than perma.

[ashen warren]

A 10+ year old one too

[unique owl]

its worth it

[hollow shell]

Nah

[unique owl]

f

[ashen warren]

[unique owl]

ok

[ashen warren]

[unique owl]

[fervent zealot]

@unique owl throwing isn't being supported by calamity any more

[unique owl]

rogue

w/e same thing really

[fervent zealot]

no, not same.

vanilla throwing didn't get converted to rogue.

[unique owl]

wait

that was intentional?

[fervent zealot]

yes.

[unique owl]

gay'

[frail mantle]

what

[dense briar]

about the summon suggestion. when would it be useful other than when you respawn and are on 0 minions?

[civic fulcrum]

I was thinking that because im playing a summoner playthrough with a friend and we are trying to kill death mode DoG, every time he respawns he takes about 9-11 seconds to summon everything. Its QoL more than anything IMO

[hollow shell]

I'd say don't even give any drawbacks

Just give some means of summoning them all instantly

[dense briar]

yeah, its not like its an op mechanic or anything

[civic fulcrum]

I was thinking an accessory r smth

[dense briar]

how about making it so summons are just constantly out, as many as you have room for

[civic fulcrum]

that would take away from using multiple types of summons

[dense briar]

never really thought of that

are there some sort of debuf summons?

[civic fulcrum]

im using half calamaris lament and half the polterghast one

that would not be possible

[calm onyx]

On Scal, you run three different summons. That suggestion, whopper, would fuck summoner scal.

[dense briar]

just got an idea for a mod from this convo

[ashen warren]

I was literally just thinking of a spear earlier today based on the gáe bulg dropped by abyss enemies, and then exotic cheeses comes up with something way better than i ever could

[eager palm]

@ashen warren The boss message is made that way so it's more of a surprise

Also you should kind of know what to expect depending on the biome you're in

[ashen warren]

looks like a placeholder honestly

[hollow shell]

@velvet coral What?

[velvet coral]

it's a bug i have encountered a few times in my play through

these 2 seem to have problems despawning occasionally

[opal barn]

@ashen warren it was already discussed and it will be kept that way

[hollow shell]

Should report in #bugs-read-pins instead of #suggestions-voting

[velvet coral]

oh ok

[ashen warren]

oh

[rapid pivot]

Orpheus; i'm not entirely sure if you appreciate just what it means to 'ignore invulnerability frames'

Like.. I can imagine that thing doing absurd amounts of damage.

[eager palm]

@barren hound There's already other mods that do that

Fargos and alchemistnpc

[barren hound]

should that be a reason to not include it in calamity?

[eager palm]

Sort of redundant imo

[fervent zealot]

it would be pretty easy to tape that to the proficiency meter

and pretty helpful too

not everyone wants alchnpc in their life

[barren hound]

oh yea the meters

[fossil torrent]

Installify summoner’s association

or something

[eager palm]

I suppose so

You could edit it in a way so it shows up on the summoner proficiency meter and I'll star it

[barren hound]

ok

[fossil torrent]

Why wouldn’t they be? Actually a pretty good idea

I’d sprite it tbh

[hollow shell]

Demon Horns...

1. how edgy
2. I'm surprised it's not a thing already

[fossil torrent]

but i can’t rn

[hollow shell]

in Terraria at least

[fossil torrent]

Yeah it’s such a simple, fitting thing

Why does it not exist

[hollow shell]

@steel sigil Include a bit of reasoning in your suggestion.

It's fine but personally I don't like starring things that are so short

[steel sigil]

Idk I think it'd look cool, sorry I've never exactly been good at giving in depth reasons

[heavy mural]

Imagine ignoring iframe pre hm

[hollow shell]

RIP

[devout seal]

Okay, apparently people are cheessing SCal and yharon by using the nurse

so, should we make it so she does something if used during a boss fight on rev?

[fossil torrent]

She just doesn’t heal you.

[hollow shell]

How do you even do that?
Would they not kill her instantly?

[radiant meadow]

probably has npcs don't die or something

If they have that mod and abuse the nurse, it's the player's choice

[fossil torrent]

Cheating, then they can’t really complain about calamity

[radiant meadow]

although trolling people is fun though

[fossil torrent]

It’s like saying scal is easy with antisocial

[devout seal]

No, they don't have it.

she just heals them normally.

[hollow shell]

How are they healing at the nurse without her getting killed?
Teleporter system?

[radiant meadow]

then how does the nurse not die in 5 seconds?

[hasty wigeon]

I mean... It's the player's choice to cheese things

But how does nurse not die

[devout seal]

she didn't even die

[hollow shell]

. _.

[radiant meadow]

player choice is why she no longer drops boulders on your head when talking to her while a boss is alive I think

[hollow shell]

Yeah that used to be a feature

she was also automatically despawned while SCal was alive, but that got removed too

along with the mount disablings

[devout seal]

Why was that removed?

[fossil torrent]

Player choice

[hollow shell]

Fab had a moment of clarity where he didn't want everything to be restricted to one playstyle

[radiant meadow]

if a player chooses to somehow not have the nurse die and use her to heal, then so be it

[devout seal]

It was teleporter cheese.

[warm tinsel]

Just to be clear, you guys want DoG to drop the big remix that holds Type D and Type D boxes separately?
I mean, having all those juicy Dokuro remixes seems great

[hasty wigeon]

I don't know what the "teleporter cheese" means /shrug

[devout seal]

They teleported in and out of the arena, abusing multiplayer respawns.

Along with the nurse and Life Regen.

[hasty wigeon]

You mean just that the fight doesn't end until both people die?

I don't see a Big problem with that

[devout seal]

Well, i certainly do.
But, if they were removed by fabsol's choice, that's not something i can make a suggestion against.

[harsh latch]

@rapid pivot , I'm sorry for the late reply. I did the dmg calculations based on pure math. I we get an average of 5 dmg per hit and it hits 1 time each frame, the dmg output (attacking a single enemy) should be around 5*30= 150 damage per second. In contrast with black anurian's 300 dps. Also keep in mind that, because this kind of weapons burn through mana so fast, it's dmg potential should be self limited even if you use the mana flower and mana potions

btw, because it fires 2 lasers instead of 1, each one of it deals around half the weapon's dmg, so unless you manage to hit with both lasers, the dmg should be limited that way too

[hollow shell]

@quasi fable They do have separate textures.

[lost agate]

Yeah thats a new feature

[hollow shell]

oh sorry, misread, it says "several"

[lost agate]

Along sound effects

Oh

[hollow shell]

But
even so, the textures changing with powerups has been suggested a few times in the past

[quasi fable]

😦

[ashen warren]

is there an upgrade for the medusa head

[radiant meadow]

no

[lost agate]

Medusa head is bad anyway

[civic fulcrum]

ive used it before, pretty shit tbh

feels like a pre-hm weapon

[radiant meadow]

it used to be

before 1.3.1 (Terraria version)

then Medusas were pushed to hardmode only so the weapon was buffed

[keen nebula]

It used to be a killer weapon for EoW

[ashen warren]

You do realize why there are no pre-ml sdd summons don't you?

[civic fulcrum]

how much damage does the stardust dragon do? it seems to me that 42 dmg could be a tad too much

[ashen warren]

30?

[radiant meadow]

also, use shift+enter

stardust dragon has a base dmg of 40

[ashen warren]

Even without damage scaling it would be insane

[radiant meadow]

just leave base dmg out

and mana cost is unnecessary and irrelevant

[lost agate]

Also, more mechworm like bugs, oh god

[ashen warren]

[radiant meadow]

@idle oxide is that a meme suggestion?
Can we not have those?

[idle oxide]

Yes

[ashen warren]

Jimbob... my dude

[radiant meadow]

no meme suggestions my friend

[idle oxide]

Oh

Sorry

[radiant meadow]

make sure to read the pins of both channels

[idle oxide]

Ok

[ashen warren]

Can suggestions and discussion have read_pins added?

[idle oxide]

How do I read the pins

[ashen warren]

How old are you?

[lost agate]

Unrelated questions 101

[ashen warren]

At the top smh

[lost agate]

Are you on phone?

[idle oxide]

Yes

[lost agate]

Top right

The three dots

[radiant meadow]

then click pinned messages

[idle oxide]

Thanks

[keen nebula]

But the Stardust Dragon staff is pre-ML and acts like the Stardust Dragon staff

But the Stardust Dragon staff is pre-ML and acts like the Stardust Dragon staff

[ashen warren]

Don't do that my dude

i ment post-cultist

i ment post-cultist

[lost agate]

Why are you double posting?

[ashen warren]

?

[opal barn]

That's your wifi

it looks normally to me

[lost agate]

Huh

[ashen warren]

its not showing up in my computer

as 2

[lost agate]

And i triple posted somehow .... Wha

[ashen warren]

im not kidding

[opal barn]

It's just your internet being dum dum, everything is posted once

[lost agate]

I get out of the app and it doesnt go away

[delicate raft]

I think it's Discord's fault

In other servers people are having this

[ashen warren]

maybe

[lost agate]

Well damnit discord

Anyway, on topic

[ashen warren]

ok

[sleek wigeon]

Mechworm type summons are super buggy

so not gonna happen

[hollow shell]

@vestal comet Could say "informational accessory" or "PDA ingredient"

"like a clock" is a bit confusing

[keen nebula]

Proficiency Meter working as an informational accessory would be really cool

[lapis kernel]

okay, so me and a friend just beat supreme calamitas in 2 tries

meanwhile yharon took more than 150

[sleek wigeon]

Difficulty is subjective

deal with it.

[lapis kernel]

I was told it might have something to do with multiplayer

the whole yharon being crazy hard

[sleek wigeon]

It likely does

Multiplayer fucks up alot of shit

[lapis kernel]

yep

yharon in sp is fairly difficult but possible

[sleek wigeon]

I mean

[lapis kernel]

yharon on a server is like shoving a bowling ball through a straw hole

[sleek wigeon]

150 tries is hardly impossible

[lapis kernel]

does nobody else here play mp

[radiant meadow]

are you requesting a yharon nerf or something?

[lapis kernel]

and has experience it themselves

not nerf

possibly a fix

if it's a bug, that is

[radiant meadow]

what's the bug?

[lapis kernel]

like basically yharon is sp is the way it is intended to be in terms of difficulty, but when played in multiplayer his stats are like insane

a loooooot of hp

[radiant meadow]

that's just mp scaling doing dumb stuff

[gaunt karma]

#justiceforslagnum

93 stars and nothing

[lapis kernel]

yeah, thats what i mean

[radiant meadow]

I don't think there is really a fix for that

[lapis kernel]

the scaling is crazy

[radiant meadow]

you could suggest a nerf on mp scaling I guess
idk how it would go

but I doubt it's a bug

[lapis kernel]

I have no clue what it is tbh

it was just the most insanely difficult thing ever, but that was the only case

we welt through basically the whole game pretty smoothly

including scal

[dusty stirrup]

I've actually been wanting to make the ore slimes more interesting, which I'll do at some point

but I'm kinda busy with 1.4.2 rn

[runic mesa]

Hope 1.4.2 goes well then

[dusty stirrup]

Yeah it's going pretty nicely atm

[ashen warren]

can i ask a question abot draedon

[sleek wigeon]

No

you may not.

[ashen warren]

damn

[devout seal]

He's canonically 14 feet tall.

[ashen warren]

what even is he then?

[lapis kernel]

an absolute unit

[devout seal]

An alien

[lapis kernel]

thats what

[runic mesa]

That's a question

[devout seal]

that's replaced most of his body with robotics.

It's why we can replicate his heart.

[runic mesa]

Neato

[ashen warren]

i was thinking that he would fight in a mech until now

[devout seal]

He probably will.

I've heard nothing except that he'll be a puzzle boss.

[ashen warren]

define puzzle boss

[sleek wigeon]

puzzle boss- a boss defined as a "boss that is related to puzzles" as defined by fabsol

[devout seal]

Well, the only example i know is the spirit of chaos's second phase.

[ashen warren]

well thats going to be hard for me because puzzles require brains and thats a BIG issue for me

[keen nebula]

So what you're saying is you have a small brain

[ashen warren]

yeah

[keen nebula]

oh

i wasn't expecting you to agree

[brazen wedge]

lol

[lapis kernel]

yharim is a zelda boss confirmed

[ashen warren]

It's back everyone!

[runic mesa]

i kinda accidentally deleted my own post so i remade it with better formating

[ashen warren]

elongate speer

[runic mesa]

discord on the phone does not have a message asking if you want to delete the message, and delete is next to edit

[hollow shell]

When did you post it last?

Can't remember specifically

[runic mesa]

like yesterday around this time

[hollow shell]

RIP
Rules only allow for reposts after 1 week has passed

[runic mesa]

rip

ill delete for now

[radiant meadow]

was it about aquatic scourge enrage or something?

[runic mesa]

spear concept i made

[radiant meadow]

oh

[runic mesa]

i saved the text in a notepad document. ill just work on another idea while im waiting

[keen nebula]

Sandstorm + Storm Surge luminite weaponized sand

[brazen wedge]

wait, can i repost stuff?

[radiant meadow]

if it's been more than a week, sure

[runic mesa]

from what i understand, you can if it has been a week

but im not a mod, so i may be wrong ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brazen wedge]

ok but do i have to put like Repost:
(suggestion)

[runic mesa]

idk

[radiant meadow]

yeah, most people put a note in stating it's a repost

idk if it's necessary

[hollow shell]

I'd say it's recommended

[runic mesa]

i would support that

[radiant meadow]

if a suggestion for a martian summon to be sold rather than crafted, would that be a blue check?

wait oops

@brazen wedge your original post was delivered already

repost was completely unnecessary

[brazen wedge]

oh didnt notice

[radiant meadow]

yeah, you can delete it

you barely made the mark with 51 stars

[brazen wedge]

but now i need 65

[frank stratus]

[ancient dragon]

@ashen warren ...how does that work?

[radiant meadow]

oh

tarragon being dumb

[ashen warren]

whenever you get heart attack, your hp is no longer full, so the slots and damage go poof

[radiant meadow]

it fucks up the mechworm

[ancient dragon]

But that would imply you're either using Draedon's Heart or taking damage. I'm not aware of any other ways to evoke more Rage that don't involve those two or hitting things with true melee weapons.

[sleek wadi]

You could have rage from previous exploration

[radiant meadow]

by having at 90%, heart attack won't get rid of it, but getting hit by scal most likely will

[sleek wadi]

Or you're going into the fight with full rage

[radiant meadow]

and draedon's heart memes on scal are a thing

[ancient dragon]

draedon's heart
a thing
Good lord this mod's balance really does shift overnight.

[hollow shell]

If you have full rage, you just randomly get afflicted with Heart Attack at some point

[radiant meadow]

don't forget next update buffs draedon's heart

[hollow shell]

So you totally could get Heart Attack in the middle of a fight without getting hit

[ashen warren]

tbf termi i'm pretty sure i'm the only one running draedons on scal

[radiant meadow]

I am too because it's buffed

and I felt 2 rages might be better than dimensional

[ancient dragon]

That sounds like a minor inconvenience at best if you run into the fight at first, but every subsequent run should have you know of that.

I mean I'm not opposed to it, but I'm just perplexed.

[radiant meadow]

tbh, this is more like a summoner nohitter does not like mechworm bugs

[ancient dragon]

I can see that.

[ashen warren]

not even that, in a normal run i'm gonna get hit by scal for sure, and then if i build rage from that and get heart attack? well now my concentration is split between resumming my minions and dodging everything scal's throwing at me, which inevitably leads to more damage and perhaps even a lost fight

[ancient dragon]

Or just use it on the spot because I'm pretty sure the chances of it being inflicted instantly aren't that high.

[radiant meadow]

you're implying you'll return to full hp

[ashen warren]

and termi you've seen the vid of mechworm bugging out with me at full life and positive regen, even with heart attack

i didn't say instantly though, you can build rage throughout the course of scal's fight, especially with the 'bullet hell' segments

[ancient dragon]

Yeah but you only have a chance to get the buff if you reach 100% Rage.

[radiant meadow]

the chance can be pretty high sometimes

[ashen warren]

and with how much damage scal deals how long before you get that? (now i think of it this would also apply to those using auric summoner for br too)

[radiant meadow]

or take ages when I want it

[ancient dragon]

Fair enough.

Still think the premise could've been reworked to be comprehensible to everyone instead of catering solely to the nohitter niche.

[ashen warren]

the bossrush argument doesn't solely apply to nohitters though, and it can happen in normal fights as well? I first noticed it in normal runs of the fight, not nohitting runs.

[sleek wadi]

I think the Tarragon set bonus should be reworked. The boost is too big to attach to such an easy to lose condition.

[ancient dragon]

I can honestly agree with that.

[sleek wadi]

That being said, I don't know how I'd change it to fit in with other Tarragon bonuses.

[ancient dragon]

Just make it a button press instead.

[sleek wadi]

Tarragon bonuses are mostly based on crit effects with the exception of Melee who gets a regen boost and Summoner who can't crit period.

[ancient dragon]

May as well play it straight with the set bonus instead of having it be shamelessly tailored around nohitting.

[ashen warren]

isn't requiring 100% health more tailored around nohitting?

[sleek wadi]

So how about giving slots based on crit chance?

[ancient dragon]

That... actually sounds interesting?

[sleek wadi]

Like, every 20% or so crit chance nets you 1 slot

[ancient dragon]

I'd say that's pretty darn nice. Doesn't injustly gimp you as a summoner for just not being nigh-perfect at combat.

[runic mesa]

id like that. it would be interesting

[ashen warren]

there's a difference between rewarding skill, and rewarding perfection, 100% rewards perfection whereas 90% has more leniency

[radiant meadow]

an actual reason to invest in crit with summoner?

problem is that summoner armors don't boost crit

[ancient dragon]

I don't think so, Amber. Not when nearly everything in the armor's scope of relevancy can tear out huge chunks of your health in a single hit.

[ashen warren]

you'd have to get rid of your normal loadouts just to invest in crit for the summoner loadouts, and with crit chance being shafted those values wouldn't work out very well

[ancient dragon]

Can always just fiddle with the values until something works.

Oh and uh, I'm not necessarily arguing against the 90% business. I just think it's iffy and not really the ideal solution to an issue like this.

[radiant meadow]

even without that part of the bonus, the armor is definitely viable though

it's just a small bonus to being good

vs say rogue auric 7x crits at 90% hp

tarragon summoner's biggest seller is the killer life aura tbh

not +2 minions and +15% dmg at full

[ancient dragon]

If it's causing bugs that can straight-up cripple you altogether, I don't think it's a bonus for being a good; it's a punishment for being bad.

[sleek wadi]

With Tarragon and Rage Potion alone, assuming 20%=1 slot, you'd get that 1 slot guaranteed. I'm sure you could net another slot with a standard build, even if you'd have to switch to lucky instead of menacing.

[radiant meadow]

it only cripples because mechworm is so god dang buggy

and it really doesn't cripple you that much

[ancient dragon]

I guess I don't have much ground to stand on if I haven't actually played Summoner. Either way, I'm still far more sold on Mecha's idea.