suggestions-discussion

[tender obsidian]

mortar rounds are rockets tho are they?

[ashen warren]

Nope

[weary walrus]

I thought they’re bullets?

[ashen warren]

I use them with the shredder to heat up my house.

[weary walrus]

[tender obsidian]

lol

[weary walrus]

Good suggestion

[tender obsidian]

that one is a good one @ Mossagon

[ashen warren]

yAy

Yeah I’m surprised we don’t have any rouge portions

[weary walrus]

Maybe even add an item like bewitched table or sharpening station,...you know what i mean

Or make the sharpening station has an effect on rouge stats

[ashen warren]

Actually

Yeah that’s a good idea too

Oh it’s all coming together now, I got a idea

Add a new prehardmode enemy type in the dungeon who’s a skeleton who throws bone knives to go along with all the other skeleton enemy types in there, they will drop bone knives (a new weapon) for rogue. Then inside the dungeon you can find a new rogue furniture item akin to the sharpening station called the knife sharpener, and it boosts your rogue damage by 10% for 10 minutes

Rouge content in the earlygame dungeon would be nice because it could help against challenges like the slime god since you lack many good rogue options

[frail mantle]

bone knives already exist iirc

or was that the fossil stuff

[ashen warren]

that’s fossil stuff

[weary walrus]

Bone dagger then?

Wait that sounds like melee

[ashen warren]

Yeah

Wait no

[harsh latch]

what i mean is a homing bullet with enough dmg for post ml

[ashen warren]

What about the marrow kunai

[novel pebble]

But that’s why they are nerfed

[weary walrus]

Wait isn’t that Uelibloom thingy?

[ashen warren]

Holy fire is (almost) hitscan, use those

[harsh latch]

that's the mortar, and i don't believe it homes, does it?

[weary walrus]

Oh

[harsh latch]

also, explosions

[ashen warren]

Click and it hits

[civic rampart]

Best bullets now are holy fire/hyperius

[harsh latch]

guess you're right, but for small objectives (aka brimstone hearts) it's still difficult to hit without homing

[weary walrus]

So holy fire is like super speed bullets?

[ashen warren]

hyperius is better for prov, holy fire better for dog

[tropic yoke]

Icy Bullets though.

[civic rampart]

Mortar rounds aren't good for combat

[tropic yoke]

Much type

[ashen warren]

depends on what you're trying to hit that determines how much value you can get out of em

[civic rampart]

Icy bullets only add 5 dmg iirc

[ashen warren]

"brimstone hearts" use photo or chicken cannon my dude

Guns are bad for scal

[harsh latch]

you're right! i totally forgot about the chicken cannon xD

[civic rampart]

Heavenly gale and phto are what you should be using at that stage

[tropic yoke]

Ok let’s develop pre-hm magic weapon ideas people

[ashen warren]

Chicken cannon is good for soul seekers apparently

Does the wall of flesh drop a rouge weapon?

No

Ok

[tropic yoke]

Ohhh, that’s what he means bu rouge

Wow am stoop

[ashen warren]

prehm has good amounts of weapon variety for mage doesn't it?

[tropic yoke]

[ashen warren]

Rouge is makeup fyi, rogue is the damage type

[tropic yoke]

I know rouge is makeup

Lmao

[ashen warren]

Not you

rouge is red in french smh speaking other languages

[tropic yoke]

Ono

[harsh latch]

Isn't rouge that bat from sonic lol

[ashen warren]

also yes

[tropic yoke]

Off topic

[ashen warren]

Rogue is basically “look how special we are hehehe we made thrower into a new class name hehehe”
“Btw it’s incomparable with other mods as a damage type ha get fucked”

*compatible
I’m half asleep

Sorry

[tropic yoke]

I am asleep

[ashen warren]

Rogue is because vanilla spaghetti

[novel pebble]

Because 🍝

[ashen warren]

Not "because fuck you"

[tropic yoke]

Spaghett

[ashen warren]

it is because fuck you, as in a fuck you to delving into that spaghetti code hell

^ that's true

I think the reason terrarias code isn’t good is due to it being made off something that was never expected to blow up like it did, so not that much effort was put into making the code that quality

Shaky foundations aren’t very good of course

[tropic yoke]

Maybe

What’s an underdeveloped pre-HM biome?

[civic rampart]

Sky

[ashen warren]

Sky biome

Uh what?

Ocean

[civic rampart]

Forest is kinda tame too

Not a bad thing

[tropic yoke]

Normal ocean could use a buff

[ashen warren]

Forest is loaded in Pre hardmode wdym

normal ocean is already

Forest is probably one of the most decked out biomes in the game in terms of content

Or I meant jungle

Tbh the biomes are ok

urchins make trying to do much at the ocean a pain

Isn’t forest the normal greenery?

ye

[tropic yoke]

Yos

[ashen warren]

Except maybe purity

Sky biomes are underdeveloped ngl

[tropic yoke]

How about a rogue and magic sky weapon?

[ashen warren]

I don't know how planetoids are underdevved but ok

[novel pebble]

If we go by Calamity Biomes, I don’t like Planetoids and The sky/space biomes.

[civic rampart]

Planetoids need like 10 grav pots to explore fully

[ashen warren]

There should be a sky dungeon/castle with a mini boss in the middle

[tropic yoke]

Or platforms but ok

[ashen warren]

They just need platforms or rope smh

[civic rampart]

The main planetoid exists

[tropic yoke]

Wow it does

Amaezing

[ashen warren]

what a great point

[novel pebble]

I want to suggest something about Planetoids and Exodium, but I just can’t find a good use of them...

[civic rampart]

But using 10 stacks of rope for pure space exploration, no

[novel pebble]

They’re just, there..

[ashen warren]

Using rope for that stuff isn’t optimal at all

[civic rampart]

Exodium being used for exo weaps

[ashen warren]

Exodium is limited until there's a slime added or something else happens

I wouldn't make suggestions based on it

[tropic yoke]

I did

[civic rampart]

Areaus dropping exodium post ml?

[tropic yoke]

Hmmm

Sounds good

[ashen warren]

That's lazy imo but it'd work

[novel pebble]

But what will you do with all of that exodium, that’s the problem.

[civic rampart]

sell

[tropic yoke]

Starmadas

[civic rampart]

Exo stars?

[tropic yoke]

Well... each player needs at most 75 so...

[civic rampart]

Making starmada viable against scal

[weary walrus]

How about exodious saucer?

It will drop exodium

[ashen warren]

I tink Nightmare fuel said a similar exodium slime

[tropic yoke]

Aerialite should get pushed to post EoW, and another set should be introduced post QB.

[ashen warren]

QuBo

aerialite is post eow

it's post hive, and hive is post eow progression-wise

[tropic yoke]

Pre Hive post EoW

You know what I mean

[ashen warren]

then why would you upgrade

[tropic yoke]

?

[ashen warren]

why would you upgrade from aerialite to whatever the post qb gear would bee, and how would you balance it such that statigel still outclasses it?

[tropic yoke]

Idk there should be another very class-specific armor set.

[ashen warren]

For Rogue I guess

aerialite has a rogue helmet, no?

[tropic yoke]

Ye

[ashen warren]

But really, you already got pumpkin, Outlaw, and Gladiator armor for that

And the class helmets

[tropic yoke]

Pumpkin armor

[ashen warren]

is not terrible, gives a nice damage bonus iirc

And a rogue damage bonus

I'm not kidding.

[tropic yoke]

How about revengeance-exclusive armor?

[ashen warren]

A legendary armor?

[tropic yoke]

Ooh

[ashen warren]

Sounds like something for the Mech Bosses

[tropic yoke]

Hecc

[ashen warren]

but what would be the point

Introducing something without paying patreon

[tropic yoke]

I’m stuck in my Mage play through and am trying to come up with pre-hm magic ideas.

[ashen warren]

prehm mage has a plethora of options weapon-wise, as for armour? if you're not using wizard combo you're missing out big time

A PHM staff that functions like the boulder staff but shoots a coconut instead

[tropic yoke]

Half of them are post slime god and skelly

[teal shoal]

yea mana flower is post sg/skelly

[ashen warren]

half of them? you mean night's ray and black anurian?

Gives some use to pine wood

[teal shoal]

which is enough to get up to skelly

[tropic yoke]

Which is the dilemma

[ashen warren]

Use gem staves

[tropic yoke]

Ewww

[ashen warren]

i guess flare bolt/water bolt/frost bold/icicle staff and so on don't exist then

or shadowdrop staff and the crimson counterpart

Vivid Clarity is around that tier too.

The bloodbath BTW

[tropic yoke]

All of those weapons do 1 damage

Against bosses

[ashen warren]

those weapons do more than 1 damage.

A critical 2

[tropic yoke]

Not for me

[teal shoal]

if you just spam mana pots than thats not suprise

[ashen warren]

i've used them before and i can tell you they don't, the only one that's remotely bad is icicle staff

and harvest staff is kind of meh

What are you looking for Nightmare Fuel?

[teal shoal]

literally mana flower can deal half of skele hp when he is armored through adrenaline

[ashen warren]

hyphae rod is pretty good vs boc/eow as well iirc

Hyphae rod boss drop.

and crabbo ain't that hard to kill either, mana rose/flare bolt do pretty well vs him

[teal shoal]

crabbo basically is like, you can kill him with anything

[ashen warren]

Revengance in pre hardmode is very easy

Only boss I’ve ever had trouble with is that dick queen bee

Try skeletron. Queen Bee is a pushover in the right arena.

Skeleton is easy too

*tron

Oops

Beenades.

skelebutt's a fun circle sim, but he ain't that difficult

[tropic yoke]

Im just not fast enough to dodge his spinning

[ashen warren]

SOC or CS if on Expert +

[tropic yoke]

It’s frustrating trying to dodge it and people saying it’s a breeze

It’s perplexing

[ashen warren]

A phm rod of discord

because others have put in more time learning the fight

[tropic yoke]

I had to grind for the halibut cannon and I still died because I can’t dodge him.

[ashen warren]

Offtopic

[tropic yoke]

Im explaining why another pre-hm magic weapon is a good idea

[ashen warren]

Coconut staff

halibut isn't a phm mage wep

[weary walrus]

Wait...

That avatar

[tropic yoke]

I used it in my ranger play through.

[ashen warren]

It is if ur desperate enough.

[weary walrus]

Le gasp

Rodless scal

[tropic yoke]

[weary walrus]

Must be you right?

[ashen warren]

mhm

[eager palm]

Imagine cheesing through the game with halibut

[tropic yoke]

^

[eager palm]

smh just name your character Sam

[tropic yoke]

Wow

[weary walrus]

Naming shenanigans

[ruby cobalt]

just butcher all the bosses

lo

let the game play itself for you

[ashen warren]

Isn't much of a game then.

Anyways, how's this?

Coconut Staff
It fires in spurts!

A PHM mage weapon that works similarly to the staff of earth, launching a very bouncy coconut at enemies. The coconut will explode on enemy contact, the damage increasing depending on how many times it has bounced off of blocks, the cap being at 3 bounces. However, it's damage is lesser to that of the harvest staff.

Crafting: (20) Palm wood + (5) Fallen Stars @ iron anvil = (1) Coconut Staff

: Wood stuff sucks, and Palm, like many PHM plants, deserves more love. Also, there appears to a lack of variety in pre-boss mage weapons, in which you have the staves, bolts, and maybe the plasma rod. It also should stay viable until EOW or BOC, as that is when more viable alternatives can be opened up.

[weary walrus]

Can you really butcher doggo tho

[ashen warren]

Or scal

[ruby cobalt]

you can, if you put enough though into it

[weary walrus]

[ruby cobalt]

but that involves using your gray matter, which is a long forgotten skill

[weary walrus]

How da heck

Suddenly I thought of vivid clarity

[ashen warren]

But drh, that is precisely why I play calamity, to avoid using it in the first place!

[weary walrus]

He just joking imo

[ashen warren]

As am I.

[ruby cobalt]

am I, now?

[ashen warren]

Oh dear.

[weary walrus]

You’re not?

[ashen warren]

Anyways, thoughts on the suggestion?

[ruby cobalt]

good, but PHM mage is oversaturated

and so is literally every class, but rogue

[weary walrus]

Rouge needs more love tbh

[ashen warren]

I dunno what Rogue's gimmick is.

So I tend to stay away.

what about summoner

[weary walrus]

Well more sentries for prehm outside of ooa sentries are nice

[ashen warren]

Crabulon mount

[weary walrus]

Wot?

[ashen warren]

I meant sentry

But something that would function like a stationary hyphae rod.

[weary walrus]

Oh lol

That’s cool

I expect fps drop tho

[ashen warren]

Or maybe something that shoots mushrooms up in the air like the OG crab

[weary walrus]

Those mushrooms had better explode soon

Hyphae rod is cool

[tropic yoke]

I might use that

[weary walrus]

But faster use time will fix it

I mean the summon

[ashen warren]

On another note, how about a PBG sky glaze upgrade that drops nukes.

[weary walrus]

Pbg?

Sorry I’m not an english or America

[ashen warren]

plaguebringer goliath

Big ol' green bee.

[weary walrus]

Hmm that sounds really cool

Tbh that mech bee is the least interesting boss to me

[ashen warren]

Yeah, and it's power scaling is wack when you compare it to the lore.

Wait a damn second

Yes?

[ruby cobalt]

DK reference, yes.

You'd have to be either blind or you completely ignored the franchise.

[ashen warren]

Just a tooltip tho, the weapon itself is just a nerfed staff of earth.

Sorry I was doing something

Drh ofc I know it’s a reference to the DK rap

Who tf hasn’t heard the DK rap by this point

Children below the age of 2/

[weary walrus]

Who is dk?

[ashen warren]

Oh no

He doesn’t know

[ruby cobalt]

See?

[ashen warren]

He doesn’t deserve to be graced by Dong

[weary walrus]

.-.

Seriously who is that

[ashen warren]

research it

It's a pretty old video game franchise that stars gorillas.

[ruby cobalt]

"he's ded"

[weary walrus]

[ashen warren]

Actually come to think of it there’s more monkeys then gorillas

Hmm.

Also DKC is one of the most popular franchises ever if you didn’t know

I think cranky kong is a regressed gorilla, with age and all, IDK what Diddy and his compatriots are.

So he’s a old wrinkly dong

10/10 suggestion

I'm gonna make 50 alt accounts now

Vulgar Volley

A PBG themed wand that serves as an upgrade to the sky glaze. It shoots down small bombs and whatnot that inflict the plague.

Crafting: Sky Glaze + (20) Plague Cell Canister + (1) Core of Chaos = Vulgar Volley

: Sky Glaze is useless and doesn't deserve to be that way. Given that one of the PBG's attacks is launching exploding bombs from the sky, the correlation was inevitable.

This any good?

[heavy mural]

🤔

Yes I would say

[tropic yoke]

Beetle Barrage: Post-Golem Rogue Weapon
Fires 2 parallel streams of Beetles. Upon colliding with blocks, beetles will bounce off and begin homing in on enemies. Critical beetles take up both streams and explode into 4 Beetles upon colliding with a block or an enemy.

Crafting:
1 Possessed Hatchet
12 Chlorophyte Bars
6 Beetle Husks

Post golem rogue item :P

[hollow shell]

Throwing beetles...

Yeah I approve

[eager palm]

Throwing worms when

[tropic yoke]

Wait 3 hours for me to get home and sprite them.

Lmao

[ashen warren]

So, just better beenades.

Or the bee's knees but rogue.

[tropic yoke]

Better Hyphae pod

Better B.K. Tbh

[ashen warren]

I thought hyphae was just a obstacle summon for mage.

[tropic yoke]

Wait... Mycoroot

Lmao

[ashen warren]

Lul.

At least the frags in this suggestion are unique.

[ashen warren]

@void mesa Makes hooks less redundant, but the counter scarf is good enough as is.

[void mesa]

Aw

[ashen warren]

I still like it.

[clear basin]

Make an accessory that drops a grenade when you die

Because it would be cool

[void mesa]

I like this guy's idea

[clear basin]

And so you could clutch

[ashen warren]

Where would that be a good idea?

[clear basin]

Good question

Just for fun maybe

[void mesa]

It's just funny to me since grenades don't do much later on

[hollow shell]

A last-ditch attack could be useful

[void mesa]

Also I made my suggestion bc hooks become useless and the counter scarf is left behind despite being extremely fashionable

[clear basin]

The demo could sell

[ashen warren]

The Kamikaze

[hollow shell]

Like when the boss is at 0.1% when you die and you're like C'MON

[void mesa]

(This being said can the counter scarf get a sprite for when you wear it)

[ashen warren]

How about expert+ so enemies don't steal ur monies

[clear basin]

Maybe not a grenade but the idea of an afterlife kill attack

[tulip fulcrum]

^ what snow said

[clear basin]

Maybe a spirit is released and will rampage for 5 seconds

[void mesa]

But yeah an accessory that deals damage to things near you when you die sounds awesome

[clear basin]

Could be in the dungeon

[void mesa]

Like a giant explosion or burst of homing projectiles

[tulip fulcrum]

Yee

[clear basin]

Post skeletron or something else

I think there needs to be more spirit like things

[void mesa]

Could be a polterghast accessory if it had another use

Something small tho

[clear basin]

Ruined Soul Artifact?

Occasionally summons spirits like the bloodflare armot

And when you die you explode in spirits

Needs a better name though

[void mesa]

Hmm, maybe it summons one spirit minion, which explodes when you die?

[clear basin]

Actually ruined kinda works

No because the yharon and provi one both summon stuff

Need more variety

Almost like the cactus condemnation from joost for the spirits

They just show up and kick ass

[void mesa]

Maybe upon being hit, some homing projectiles are released?

[clear basin]

I like the idea of ammasing a spirit army as there is a lot of dungeon spirits

They do true damage

When you die you summon the wrath of the dungeon

[void mesa]

Something being summoned for a short time after death seems a bit off compared to everything else

[clear basin]

I'm just thinking about something spirit related

I think it fits

Spirits will occasionally randomly spawn and when you die you explode with a bunch of them

[void mesa]

I think I got an idea for a low-HP/"death" effect

A boost in power and speed when you should've died, and you get some health back. Would probably be an upgrade to a DoG accessory

[barren hound]

what if voodoo dolls worked like voodoo dolls?

[void mesa]

Phantom Lockbox, enables Phantom Rage for a short time when you should've been killed

[barren hound]

reflecting the damage to the npc

[void mesa]

That's actually not a bad idea

[clear basin]

Idk I don't like the whole rebirth effect thing

[void mesa]

A shame NPCs aren't very tanky

[clear basin]

I still vote for an afterlife kill

[void mesa]

The accessory would be useful for only a few hits

[clear basin]

You need the peculiarity mod

[barren hound]

a few hits could make or break a boss fight

[clear basin]

Or whatever mod has the unkillable npc

[void mesa]

Fair point, but it's kinda specific and not worth the trouble of having one less accessory or having to switch them out

[barren hound]

2 revives for some effort by fast swapping accessories is not worth it?

i honestly think it would be pretty broken

[void mesa]

I don't remember you saying revives

So i took what you were saying as they absorb some damage

Acting as damage reduction until they die

[barren hound]

nah meant that the npc would take the full damage

and you would take none

like how voodoo dolls "work"

[void mesa]

I mean they're tiny and not exactly very protective armor so not that much would be protected by it

[barren hound]

with 2 voodoo dolls thats 2 things which could save you from taking lethal damage

[clear basin]

I vote for a martyrdom accessory

[void mesa]

Interesting idea

How would it work though

And what tier, since it could easily fit a few bosses

would probably fit brimmy the most

[tropic yoke]

Who wants to help develop the beetle idea?

Gtg (gym)

[sleek wigeon]

"balanced enough to be farmable"

[gusty geode]

Rare drop
25% chance

[sleek wigeon]

ha

haha

yeah no

not even close

Purified jam is monstrously powerful.

10 seconds of just

ignoring damage

[fervent zealot]

purified jam has let me cheese almost every major boss fight with a single instance

[gusty geode]

If it's so good you're only allowed one, something like .1% would make more sense

[sleek wigeon]

No

it wouldnt

having it once per world/character would make sense

[ashen warren]

You should only get one on your first chance and then get and unalterable .01% chance for the slime god to drop one more

[sleek wigeon]

Why have a chance at all?

low drop rates does not equal balance

[ashen warren]

As I see it, the jam is Horribly OP

But if people really wanted it, they'd just cheat it in

[sleek wigeon]

so.... why have a chance at all?

[ashen warren]

So, a small persuasion for exactly one may let people actually get it than have the restriction.

It'd take years of farming, for exactly one.

[sleek wigeon]

but why?

[ashen warren]

And have the chance decrease even more as the game progresses.

[sleek wigeon]

but why have a chance at all?

[barren hound]

"It'd take years of farming, for exactly one."
and the point of that being?

[ashen warren]

If you're gonna farm slime god, at least keep it on this world.

Because when people generally do that, they either use a 3rd party mod

[barren hound]

having such a low drop rate incentivizes cheating

[sleek wigeon]

isnt a per world/ character?

[ashen warren]

Or make a new world and such

Exactly.

[sleek wigeon]

so the same character cant get it, even on different worlds?

[ashen warren]

Yep

[sleek wigeon]

So.. whats the point in making it farmable?

[ashen warren]

Doesn't mean you can't send a new character with animus or something to the other world and getting free jelly.

[sleek wigeon]

i mean sure but that takes hella time

[ashen warren]

Not really.

I've done it in under 2 minutes.

[barren hound]

who in their right mind would make a new character just to farm those items

[ashen warren]

It's just vaguely annoying

[sleek wigeon]

2 minutes is tedious as heck dude

[barren hound]

when cheat sheet is 2 clicks away

annoying =/= good

[ashen warren]

Under two minutes.

[barren hound]

thats never something you want players to feel

[ashen warren]

Aight, fair.

[barren hound]

im still confused on what you really want tho

jar is farmable

[sleek wigeon]

same here

Whats the point?

[barren hound]

just not in the same world

but who cares about how many worlds you use

do you know how many worlds i make to cleanse for wood

[weary walrus]

A lot?

[ashen warren]

JAm is the only thing I actually make other disposable worlds for

[sleek wigeon]

not planting acorns for infinite trees

[ashen warren]

Also no.

[sinful violet]

waiting for trees when you can use the boxinator™ mod along with tree farms

[barren hound]

acorns are bad memes

but running around with the dev tools

plowing through a world for its resources is fun

maybe i just like destruction tho

[ashen warren]

Honestly tho, making Purijam a very rare drop would fit with the revengeance theme of farming for about 10-40 minutes for one item. At least, if you want the item to be relevant to the gameplay at hand.

Disregarding Halibut + Community.

[barren hound]

wtf is that theme

how is that the theme of rev

[ashen warren]

The legendary weapons.

[barren hound]

which are useless?

[ashen warren]

Unless you get one by freak chance, yea

[barren hound]

still many weapons are better than the legendary weapons

when you can get them

[ashen warren]

Exactly, but the ones that count, (Halibut), are put behind an insane barrier of chance.

[barren hound]

hailbut is a meme

[ashen warren]

But also a valid weapon.

[barren hound]

no one will use it unless they want to cheese the game

[ashen warren]

And what exactly else does the Purijam do?

It turns you into a literal god.

Purijam is meant to cheese.

[weary walrus]

For 10 seconds

Unlike long use like halibut

Plus wrong timing , you’re dead

It’s good but it also has a risk

[ashen warren]

Ah, if purijam turned you into a god forever, you'd feel no challenge other than the DOG, unlike halibut, which requires tons of ammo, dodging and whatnot

Or defiled/Armageddon

[barren hound]

jam being forever what?

[ashen warren]

Oh, 3rd brought up the point of the long use of Halibut, compared to the short debuff of the purijam.

[sleek wigeon]

see the thing about purijam is that if you fuck up, its gone forever

or that 1 bit of jam is gone forever

[weary walrus]

I mean, do you really use the jam that much, except you’re true melee?

[fervent zealot]

yes

it's an incredibly powerful item

[ashen warren]

Or coldhearting the eidolon

[weary walrus]

That’s why it’s rare

[sleek wigeon]

not rare. just in limited supply

[weary walrus]

Well cold heart vs eidolon is a meme and a super sequence breaking move

[sleek wigeon]

not really

theres no other way in all the game to deal with it in a reasonable time frame

[ashen warren]

You could just wait.

While shooting it

[sleek wigeon]

reasonable time frame

[ashen warren]

Not much wrong with waiting.

[tropic yoke]

@sleek wigeon You’ve been warned?

[ashen warren]

icicle vs eidolon doesn't work anymore

[tropic yoke]

Oof

[ashen warren]

iirc the jams don't grant invul while you're holding icicle now so uh ye, you'd have to get super close and live 50 times just to sequence break like that

Make Coldheart a ranged weapon

Hmm. Actually

How about nerfing the jam?

[fervent zealot]

why would we nerf a perfectly fair item when you could just

not make it easily renewable?

[sinful violet]

no-hit scal to get more

[ashen warren]

I'm a bit past the renewable part.

[sleek wigeon]

why nerf jam?

[ashen warren]

more jams for me?

[sleek wigeon]

the fuck is the point?

[ashen warren]

What do you use it for?

[fervent zealot]

cheesing plantera

[sleek wigeon]

Irrelevent

[ruby cobalt]

For bosses that bust your balls.

[ashen warren]

Ah, cheesing.

Definitely cheesing.

From what i'm seeing here. It'd be fair to ask at what points you activate the invicibility.

If you activate it to escape from a boss, that'd be fine as a crutch. But if you can fight back at the same time, does it then become cheesing?

[void mesa]

What if there was a food item that was literally cheese and it boosts like every stat but you need to bust your ass fighting one of the hardest bosses to get it

Like Death mode Hardcore DoG beaten while you have the Fabsol's vodka effect

[tropic yoke]

Beetle Barrage: Post-Golem Rogue Weapon
Fires 2 parallel streams of Beetles. Upon colliding with blocks, beetles will bounce off and begin homing in on enemies. Critical beetles take up both streams and explode into 4 Beetles upon colliding with a block or an enemy. The Beetle Barrage’s damage scales with defense rather than rogue damage bonuses.

Crafting:
12 Solar Tablet Fragments
12 Chlorophyte Bars
4 Beetle Husks
4 Lihzahrd Power Cells

Rework

[ashen warren]

Defense?

[tropic yoke]

Yos

Unique

[void mesa]

That's kinda weird but yeah definitely unique and makes a bit of sense

[tropic yoke]

See?

[ashen warren]

So, the tankier people could use this and get stronger altogether.

[tropic yoke]

Yes

[void mesa]

But timer makes a good point

[ashen warren]

seems legit.

[tropic yoke]

That’s what beetle is

Defense and attack

[ashen warren]

Make it reduce speed then

Or make you get critically hit 50% of the time

[tropic yoke]

Can a weapon do that?

xD

[ashen warren]

Blood pact big dumb

[tropic yoke]

Ooh... No-crit item

[ashen warren]

But, nah

It looks fine as is

[void mesa]

How about the more attack power it has the lower the velocity is?

[ashen warren]

^^

[void mesa]

That way it's useful but not viable against fast bosses or enemies

[ashen warren]

Wait, so its bad against literally everything but ravager

DF, LC, ML, and PBG are all fast bois

On another note, my name is now acronym.

[void mesa]

It'd probably be really useful during events and all that

[tropic yoke]

”The Beetle Barrage’s damage increases and velocity decreases with defense rather than rogue bonuses.”

Beetles still home in, though.

[void mesa]

Give the small beetles a bit of piercing and it'd be incredible during invasions

[tropic yoke]

Well they have 1 pierce

[void mesa]

But also every boss soon after is pretty fast so

[tropic yoke]

Homing

[void mesa]

Velocity decrease my man

[tropic yoke]

Just make it a mild decrease

Idfk

How about they speed up, but start slow?

[void mesa]

Maybe the reverse?

[tropic yoke]

Eek

[void mesa]

Start fast, get a drop in speed until a certain point

[tropic yoke]

Meh

[void mesa]

Wait

[ashen warren]

How about they stay in the air, then home in on enemies

[void mesa]

Start fast I mean djcbdjsbc

[ashen warren]

Ooh, how about. when an enemies dies to the beetles, you get a beetle buff

[void mesa]

How about the beetle armor damage buff?

[tropic yoke]

Speed increases with DPS

[ashen warren]

Nice.

[void mesa]

Yo that guy's plague hive suggestion isn't bad

[fervent zealot]

it is though, why make plague hive harder to get

it's fine as is

[void mesa]

They could probably add a couple vortex fragments

Because of the bug alien things

[vale abyss]

ye

The Guy here

I rushed to get it and then I discovered I cannot craft it because I need AM

[ashen warren]

and vortex also goes into swarmer, and on mp you just cucked out anyone else of getting the same setup

[vale abyss]

just like the Ambrosial Ampoule before the update

Really like that its crafting station got changed

[ashen warren]

I mean, yeah

But vortex is for ranged and stuff. I dunno why it's in the swarmer.

It doesn't look like it'll impact gameplay.

[tropic yoke]

Hehe

Beetlz

gtg brb kthxbye roflmao lul

[torn creek]

Can we have heart statues craftable?

[tropic yoke]

How's the beetle sproot?

[torn creek]

it's nice

looks like a scorpion kinda

[tropic yoke]

h,,

hmm

[torn creek]

though the color is on point

with the 2 claws thats why

and the tail

[tropic yoke]

Those are tiny beetles

lmao

[torn creek]

oh ok

[tropic yoke]

tiny beetles and nandles

I'll improve the outlines

[torn creek]

I don't think beetles have tails, do they?

[tropic yoke]

iirc no

[torn creek]

hm, you are a spriter i assume?

[cyan lagoon]

@zinc thunder we are expanding past scal

Just not that though

Specifically speaking, it'll be likely more pertained to yharim, (maybe) goozma, and Xeroc

[tropic yoke]

3rd Calamitas boss lmao

Toats

[zinc thunder]

@cyan lagoon shame, i figured since the mod is named after her she should still be the main antognist

[ashen warren]

And technically draedon.

[zinc thunder]

also i cant spell

[cyan lagoon]

Draedon isnt post scal

Hes after yharon but before her

[ashen warren]

Yeah, but he hasn't been implemented yet iirc.

[tropic yoke]

Is Cute Boye's pfp total drama island?

What a g@m3r

[ashen warren]

Did you just now notice that?

[tropic yoke]

No I've noticed it for a while.

I just didn't point it out,

til' now.

Heh beetlz

The image is still loading for me x'D

[torn creek]

nice 😃

[tropic yoke]

It loaded

[torn creek]

they so cute uwu

[tropic yoke]

UwU

[hollow shell]

Including power cells in the recipe is a bit weird...

The other ingredients should be enough

[cyan lagoon]

@harsh latch be specific please

[hollow shell]

I'm more wondering if he's right about being better than Hallowed Repeater

Their stats are nearly the same

However that may be reason for it to be nerfed

[eager palm]

Hallowed armor/weapons are kinda shit ngl

[hollow shell]

(or repeater to be buffed)

yeah

[cyan lagoon]

Ohhh

[harsh latch]

As it is now, it has more dmg and RoF that even the hallowed repeater

[cyan lagoon]

I see

[fervent zealot]

wait what the fuck the goobow is better than the repeater?

[cyan lagoon]

Only stat it doesn't do well in is fire speed

and that's only a 2 point difference

[hollow shell]

Oh

Did you test in in-game, Orpheus?
Or just looking at the numbers?

[fervent zealot]

looking at the numbers holy shit he's right

goobow has 3 more damage and only 2 worse use time

[hollow shell]

Remember that lower RoF numbers means faster firing, Orph

[harsh latch]

if you use it with jester/unholy arrows it can deal quite a bit of dmg to the destroyer and the aquatic scourge

[fervent zealot]

goobow has 20, while repeater has 18

[ashen warren]

Delete Goobow.

[harsh latch]

test in game

[hollow shell]

Include that stuff you said
in your suggestion itself

[ashen warren]

Idk if I like the beetle idea

[shy surge]

real quick; thoughts on lowering the crit chance of Blood Pact, because the 25% seems more like a 75% chance to be crit from my experience with it so far.

[arctic notch]

Yes. I agree.

[shy surge]

been doing moon lord and instead of being crit 25% of the time, i'm being crit more often than i'm not, though, ironically. either that, or the tool tip is broken and it's meant to be a higher chance than it makes itself out to be.

[hollow shell]

If it feels like more (due to bad RNG or negativity bias or otherwise) it could be changed to every fourth hit rather than a 25% chance.
That way you could strategize around it if you're good enough, and there's no chance for it to be more in practice

[arctic notch]

^

[shy surge]

Every fourth hit might actually be more manageable.

Rather than being crit five times in a row by Moon Lord's True Eye homing missiles.

[harsh latch]

uppon further testing (unreal goobow, unreal hallowed repeater, wooden arrows) The goobow achieved an average of 225 dps with spikes of up to 300 dps, while the Repeater got an average of 217 with spikes of up to 270 dps. This was tested without using any kind of buff or armor, against a single dummy

[hollow shell]

Alrighty then
You wanna include that data in your suggestion too?

[harsh latch]

probably should

[hollow shell]

Oki

Blood Pact "Accessories" plural?

[shy surge]

my shit grammer appears again

but, yeah, it makes it feel a bit redundant when I die just as fast to RNG.

[radiant meadow]

goobow buff backfired?

[hollow shell]

Either that or Hallowed Repeater sucks

[shy surge]

Could be the Hallowed Repeater sucks.

Repeaters suck in general.*

[harsh latch]

i mean, you could totally just buff all repeaters, but... why

just nerf the one item that is giving "problems"

[barren hound]

are repeaters even used?

[hollow shell]

It could be that Goobow is the one that is correctly balanced, and all the repeaters are underpowered

[harsh latch]

chloro can be useful

[barren hound]

feel like they are just forgotten

[shy surge]

i'm pretty biased towards bows and guns to be fair

[harsh latch]

can't argue with that

[barren hound]

chloro i agree is the only good repeater

or one that i actually use

[shy surge]

that and they were kind of forgotten since most late-game ranger weaponry is either bows or guns

not repeaters.

[barren hound]

remember when they were the shit in 1.1 days

bring back repeaters

[harsh latch]

i mean, a cobalt repeater has a base dmg of

around 30

[shy surge]

the virgin repeater vs the chad gun

i don't think calamity even adds repeaters, does it?

[barren hound]

3 or so

[shy surge]

ah, yeah

3

[harsh latch]

not that there are many powerful guns except for the megashark and the clockwork rifle in early hm tbh

[shy surge]

all hardmode

no post-moon lord shit

[barren hound]

oof

[shy surge]

compare that to the

50+ bows

and launchers

and guns

[harsh latch]

when i got the raider's glory i looked at its stats and was like, what's the point

[shy surge]

especially guns

[harsh latch]

i mean, the impaler is pretty competitive but that's it

also (in my opinion) flarewing bow shoots a bit slowly. Not that it needs to be buffed. But it's just something that gets on my nerves

[ashen warren]

I dont wanna watch grass grow for hours

Lol

Build an arena around a bulb, copy and save the world, and if you mess up, reload the world.

[pliant bone]

Or just cheat in a portable bulb because fuck you natural plantera bulbs

[ashen warren]

Or make zerg affect the spawn of it somehow idk

[pliant bone]

Either way works

Wai, this is suggestion discussions..

[ashen warren]

Yep.

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren Plantera Bulbs begin spawning at the beginning of Hardmode
If you're going through a normal playthrough, you should have a significant amount of bulbs by the time you've beaten the mechs

[ashen warren]

yeah uh, no

[pliant bone]

And a lot more after you finally defeated Clone :/

[ashen warren]

not enough

[icy kelp]

Is that a calamity mechanic? In vanilla, bulbs start spawning after all three mechs are down.

[hollow shell]

Yeah it's Calamity

[icy kelp]

gotcha

[barren hound]

that mechanic is broken if you beat the vanilla mechanical bosses

[ashen warren]

so there's already a mechanic in place to spawn in more bulbs

[barren hound]

getting the "the jungle is restless" message removes all plantera bulbs in the jungle

[hollow shell]

wtf

[pliant bone]

Dafuq

[hollow shell]

Sounds like something for #bugs-read-pins

[barren hound]

i did mention it

but it kinda just faded away

[icy kelp]

It resets it to 0 to begin populating again?

[ashen warren]

Hm. How about changing the recipe to include planty mush and life fruits.

[hollow shell]

If you can get it to happen with some consistency, then report it again

[ashen warren]

God, that sounds awful though

[barren hound]

built a huge arena next to a bulb

went to kill mech bosses

got back and it was gone

[hollow shell]

(also make sure you're only using Calamity
You don't want mod conflicts to be the cause or you'll be laughed out of the channel)

[ashen warren]

Losing all of the bulbs the minute you gotta fight sucks man

[barren hound]

when i get time i could try recreating it

if anyone else could also try it would be nice

[lost agate]

Pretty sure the game tries to spawn more but nukes some due to some limit or something

[ashen warren]

Okay but even then who is gonna make more plantera bulbs with a plantera exclusive drop

Other bosses have their summon items made prior

[lost agate]

Because plantera wants to be special smh

[hollow shell]

Hive Mind and Perforators

[lost agate]

^

Oh and siren

[hollow shell]

Well Siren doesn't have a summon item

[ashen warren]

Okay but you can just pace back and forth to get a cyst to spawn

Zerg potion definitely reduces that time to null

(And can be cancelled) but i see what you mean

[hollow shell]

Spelunker, Mining Potion, and Ambrosial Ampoule can help you find a bulb real quick
or just Archaic Powder if Ampoule is too much effort

[lost agate]

Ampoule is post LC iirc

[ashen warren]

Yeah but the convenience of a summon item allows you to do it within prepped arena

[icy kelp]

So is all this talk to determine if plantera’s spawner should be available before slaying her first?

[ashen warren]

Basically

[hollow shell]

Nah Ampoule was moved

I think you can get it any time in HM now

[ashen warren]

You can

Components needed at most post hardmode are jungle drops from trappers and moths

[icy kelp]

I think the spawner should be pre-plant but it’s hard to decide where and what material due to early hm having a bunch of homogeneous materials (hallowed bars, souls, essence, etc)

[ashen warren]

All the souls and some planty mush

Or life fruit

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren You mean Death?

[icy kelp]

All the souls defeats the purpose of delineating the spawner, no?

[ashen warren]

I don't know much else that comes after mech bosses.

Oh oops

[lost agate]

Smh

[hollow shell]

Edit suggestion please

[lost agate]

Just edit the suggestion

[hollow shell]

Also what is the purpose of the suggestion (especially now that you know it's in Death)
considering nobody's gonna be doing Death Mode as their first playthrough, so they'll know how the Siren's theme sounds and that transition to Levi's
and also, the Leviathan music not starting when both of them spawn would seem a tad anticlimactic

[lost agate]

Also, if you kill that fat first you can hear the siren song

[torn creek]

what about heart statues?

I'd like them to be craftable

[lost agate]

The hearts statues are kinda op imo

[ashen warren]

Make then make them cost a lot

[lost agate]

Like what?

Because "a lot" could be easily obtainable later

[ashen warren]

Isn't my suggestion, but perhaps about ten life crystals per statue?

[amber elk]

Maybe make dropped hearts a collectable item with a tool?

[ashen warren]

Gnah

I mean, what else would you use them for?

[amber elk]

Then use that as a material for the heart statue

[ashen warren]

Yeah, but what else

[amber elk]

Maybe some hardmode brick or something.

[icy kelp]

All other statues are made with stone, I don’t see why these would be any different

[torn creek]

5 life crystalts, 50 stone, maybe diamond cuz its special?

or ruby?

[amber elk]

Crystals arnt too hard to come by, tbh.

[icy kelp]

Rubies make sense

[barren hound]

what if you can only craft it in hardmode?

so you cant cheese early bosses super easily

[torn creek]

hm, make it with hellstone?

[amber elk]

When do heart statues as a strategy die out?

[torn creek]

I used heart statues and lava for slime god, 5 was fine and not op

[barren hound]

what if mana and heart statues were made of 5 mana/life crystals + 50 pearlstone @ Heavy Work Bench?

[icy kelp]

I’ll be honest, I only used heart statues on my first play through in vanilla expert and haven’t touched them since

[barren hound]

same, i dont really go through with making a setup for them

but thats mostly because of how annoying it is to get them

[torn creek]

I don't use heart statues, but slime god melee just is my arch enemy

[amber elk]

So, issue seems to be the hassle?

[torn creek]

eh

[amber elk]

Maybe the pearlstone idea if craftable heart statues is still an idea worth talking about.

[brazen wedge]

I dont know if this is possible but maybe make it so that DoG's segments spawn separately over a sort of "black hole" to sort of show that he is coming out of his dimension and to avoid people attacking all his segments

[ashen warren]

Sorry I couldn’t really respond in full to that ping

I was busy

[lost agate]

@brazen wedge you can only attack the head and the tail when it spawns tho

[brazen wedge]

then ignore that part:
I dont know if this is possible but maybe make it so that DoG's segments spawn separately over a sort of "black hole" to sort of show that he is coming out of his dimension
better?

[lost agate]

@little talon ahem, no shadowspec bar suggestions allowed

[ashen warren]

Nebula shepard I believe post scal weapon’s aren’t allowed

[little talon]

Oh.

[ashen warren]

(For suggestions)

[lost agate]

Make it calamitous essence and that could work

[cyan lagoon]

Once again they are allowed

[little talon]

Okay, then I'll make it Post Yharon.

[cyan lagoon]

Just ignored

Meaning they won't get accepted anyway

[ashen warren]

Yeah so no point then

Also don’t ping people, it’s kind a bugger

[lost agate]

Uh, i actually have to ping people

[frail mantle]

Post SCal items are allowed and can theoretically be accepted, they just can’t have shadowspec bars in the recipe

[cyan lagoon]

bruh

Staff member not allowed to tag people

[lost agate]

[little talon]

Meme, people already said it.

[mighty nymph]

I like the weapon tbh

[little talon]

How is it, now?

[ashen warren]

So you have to ping people if they make a mistake in suggestions?

[cyan lagoon]

That's our job lmao

[frail mantle]

It’s better to ping them so they know you’re talking to them

[lost agate]

^

[mighty nymph]

[frail mantle]

That is, if there is something wrong with the suggestion

[ashen warren]

Well that’s a bit lame, it’d make more sense to have a emote you could just add on that days it’s not legible, that’d save you some trouble

[little talon]

I think it just makes sense to ping someone if you are trying to bring something like this to their attention.

[cyan lagoon]

We already have one for checking the pins

It's actually very annoying for me imo since it doesn't really change anything

@little talon only thing I'm gonna say what's wrong is the misspelling of Materiel in "Anti-Materiel rifle"

but given its a rather common mistake I'll let it pass

[little talon]

I always thought that was a typo.

[ashen warren]

Also this place is anal in grammar

[little talon]

Didn't know it was intentional.

[cyan lagoon]

It's fine

[ashen warren]

Also it’s spelled material yeah

[lost agate]

Moss, stop

[cyan lagoon]

No, it's materiel

[mighty nymph]

Why is it even called Anti-Materiel in the first place?

[frail mantle]

Side note: hasn’t a craftable Bulb been suggested before

[lost agate]

Yeh i think

Lemme check

[little talon]

That's a good question.

Larcin, not Meme.

[cyan lagoon]

"An anti-materiel rifle (AMR) is a rifle that is designed for use against military equipment (materiel), rather than against other combatants ("anti-personnel")." - Wikipedia

[little talon]

Ah.

[mighty nymph]

Ohh

[little talon]

Makes sense.

[ashen warren]

In conclusion English sucks

[little talon]

Larcin? Is your gif from Gay Pron or something?

[cyan lagoon]

irrelevant...?

[little talon]

I'm sorry, but isn't that against the rules?

[lost agate]

.... Its not bad grammar moss.... Thats how you spell it

[mighty nymph]

If it is then I'll change it right away

[little talon]

So it is??

[lost agate]

Also yeah, uh the pfp is a tad bad

So change it would ya?

[eager palm]

We all love ricardo just keep it pg13

[mighty nymph]

There

[little talon]

Much better.

[lost agate]

Cool

[cyan lagoon]

There we go

[mighty nymph]

[ashen warren]

I never said it was bad grammar silly, I’m saying English is full words that are too similar and have too alike of meanings so it gets confusing time to time
Also I’ll stop before someone yells “OFF TAWWWPICK”

[little talon]

Added a little something to my suggestion to make it more original.

[mighty nymph]

Bleed damage

[little talon]

Off-Topic, please take to the General Chat.

[ashen warren]

💢

[lost agate]

Dont minimod smh

[little talon]

Yeah, like how the Brimstone flame does a more intense version of "Cursed Inferno" or "Burning."

[ashen warren]

Korb he was obviously joking
Unless you’re playing into the joke

[lost agate]

And how do you know i wasnt joking too?

Also, offtopic

[mighty nymph]

Yes but wouldn't that mean stuff like mechanical bosses would be immune?

[lost agate]

So yeah

[little talon]

Yeah, so?

What mechanical boss is Post Yharon?

[mighty nymph]

I mean they'd die anyway

[ashen warren]

Ye, soah?

[lost agate]

Go to general talk if youre willing to go offtopic

[little talon]

This is on topic.

[ashen warren]

^

[shy surge]

has Astral Furnite already been suggested?

Furniture*

Bah.

[lost agate]

I think?

[little talon]

It's a good idea.

Love the look of the Astral.

[shy surge]

Because I want an Astral House.

I'm making one.

[ashen warren]

It’s been suggested I believe

[mighty nymph]

Decorations are always nice

[shy surge]

But if there's no furniture, I could always use Granite instead.

[frail mantle]

Astral furniture, along with an Exo gun and Vanquisher bullets, have been suggested about a kgphjillion times before

[little talon]

Then why isn't it implemented?

It should be.

[mighty nymph]

Sprites?

[frail mantle]

The devs haven’t had it on their priority list

[ashen warren]

Where’s my exo brick at

[lost agate]

Because priorities, and yeah lack of sprites

[cyan lagoon]

All in for Post-Yharon guns

as long as they aren't the typical bargain bin Heavenly Gale but gun form

[little talon]

Wait, has a brawler class been suggested? Like one that specifically used weapons like the Fetid Baghnakhs?

[cyan lagoon]

Not really

[mighty nymph]

That's just niche melee tbh

[little talon]

K.

[frail mantle]

-true melee

[little talon]

So is Thrower, really.

I'm sorry, Rogue.

[cyan lagoon]

and by extension, thrower to some degree.

Despite it just being vanilla trash

[little talon]

Like I just said.

Cheap weapons, but you gotta get real close.

[mighty nymph]

True but I don't think either of those is really necessary

[frail mantle]

I think I heard someone once say that throwing/rogue is a “sexually confused melee/ranged mix”

[little talon]

That's a great analogy.

[cyan lagoon]

Well granted it was originally Ranged

until 1.3 came along with thrower and did.... nothing with it

[mighty nymph]

It's supposed to be a subclass iirc

[frail mantle]

Tbh I don’t actually see why they bothered adding a completely new class for something that’s only viable up to Woffle

[cyan lagoon]

not even WoF

make that Skeletron

[lost agate]

beenades are ok for wof

but nothing really amazing

[mighty nymph]

They're pretty good for getting rid of the Hungries

[lost agate]

but when wof gets fast... oh boy

[mighty nymph]

Ok but map teleporting sounds ridiculously op

[fervent sky]

Hence why it has a cooldown and costs mana, and people would probably only use it for transportation

[mighty nymph]

Maybe make it so you can't use it if a boss is alive

[weary walrus]

Add it so that you can’t map teleport to temple pre plantera, and while in boss fight

Also make it unable to be used in the abyss

Or else....

Wait

That makes no sense

[fervent sky]

What does?

[weary walrus]

It’s supposed not to use rod in the abyss

Now this thing bypass it

[icy kelp]

Throw in some wormhole or teleport pots because of the new map mechanic, imo

[topaz flint]

using the rod of discord in abyss?

somebody wants death

[fervent sky]

I can change it if people don't like it, I just thought it'd be a worthy upgrade to the RoD

[weary walrus]

Remember with chaos state debuff and being in the abyss at the same time WILL make adult wyrm to be summoned

[fervent sky]

True

[worthy raptor]

The main problem with RoD upgrades imo is that RoD is already OP as is

[mighty nymph]

Yeah pretty much

[worthy raptor]

Upgrading it just makes it more ridiculous

[fervent sky]

Should I remove the teleporting in the abyss then?

[weary walrus]

I mean, being able to craft rod is very OP

Yes

[worthy raptor]

It's currently the best movement item in the game during boss fights, giving it less of a penalty just makes it scarier

[fervent sky]

Hmm

I'll keep the penalty the same then

I would make it obtainable later in game to compensate for the power, but that's just putting the same abilities later on

[ashen warren]

what if it instakills you once you reach 1% on scal @worthy raptor

[worthy raptor]

This would be good

[fervent sky]

The instakill or later in game?

Because I'm ok with either

[worthy raptor]

If you use it on Scal you get the "you fuckd up now boii" debuff and you die right before she does

[ashen warren]

[fervent sky]

I want to add this now

[weary walrus]

Da heck?

What’s the point of that tho?

[worthy raptor]

(We're messing around ignore us)

[weary walrus]

:p

[fervent sky]

Anyways is there anything else I could do balance-wise here?

?

[ashen warren]

"Brawler class" Firstly, weaponout already has a monk class

[little talon]

So?

[tropic yoke]

Ooh a straightup tower of text.

[ashen warren]

Secondly, why not just have them as melee?

[little talon]

This is a Calamity mod suggestion thing.

[tropic yoke]

I'm going to like it so it doesn't smite me

[little talon]

Why aren't Rogue weapons Melee or Ranger?

[ashen warren]

And thirdly, claws aren't interesting enough to warrant a new damage type let alone new weapons

[little talon]

It's to make new options.

Knives aren't interesting to warrant a new damage type let alone new weapons.

Could you imagine if that was said about the Rogue one?

And I never suggested a new damage type.

[ashen warren]

Rogues use boomerangs, javelins and knives smh

[little talon]

So?

It can be various different things. I'm just laying the ground work.

[ashen warren]

"And I never suggested a new damage type." yes you did "Brawler Class. A class dedicated to fist weapons like the Fetid Bahgnacks."

Class = damage type

[little talon]

Rogue weapons don't do their own specific type of damage. They do Melee Damage.

So explain that.

[ashen warren]

"Rogue weapons don't do their own specific type of damage." uhh what?

I've used a flask with a rogue weapon

[radiant meadow]

rogue weapons do rogue damage

[little talon]

Okay, I was just told otherwise. I never used Rogue weapons. Other than in base game and before that class was implimented.

[ashen warren]

Nothing happens

[little talon]

Either way.

It doesn't HAVE to do a specific damage type.

[mighty nymph]

Like yo-yo's?

[little talon]

Yeah.

Wait, what do you mean?

[mighty nymph]

They're kinda their own thing but still deal Melee damage