My main criticism is that it looks like a wand
#suggestions-discussion
ashen warren
ashen warren
My suggestions were to make it less so
tropic yoke
I added connections fairly easily.
glossy bough
Imma stick with calling it the Shaft of Doom
glossy bough
Well yes; they’re sharpened sticks for throwing
ashen warren
A guard would just make it bounce out of the wound
tropic yoke
Well, it's not a guard... Below the brown
ashen warren
X means remove, arrow means extend and circle means connect
Since your weapon sticks you can also add barbs if you like
tropic yoke
Umm
ashen warren
Ok that looks sick
ashen warren
The head is a bit spearlike but javelins are just spears anyway soo
tropic yoke
Meh
jovial spire
Grenade Machine Gun
Just regular grenade launchers are for babies.
Uses grenades and bombs as ammo
50% chance to not consume grenades or bombs.
Shoots grenades and bombs at about the speed of the minigun, which travel a medium distance and after that are affected by gravity.
Grenades, bee/plaugenades and bombs move about 3/4 of the speed of bullets, and are as accurate as the gatlgater.
Grenades, bee/plaugenades and bombs explode on impact, and bombs can destroy tiles, have fun with that.
Bombs have 1000% pickaxe power.
Plaugenades do higher damage and inflict plauge debuff.
Right click reducea fire rate but lets you shoots Bee/plaugenades.
Crafting: Minigun, 15 Darksun Fragments, 40 Gunpowder, and Gatlgater
ashen warren
In this case it would be "affected by gravity"
But a grenade machine gun is a 
in my book
ashen warren
Machine rocket launcher upgrade?
jovial spire
Was tempted to put an alt fire that fires grenades that damage tiles 
jovial spire
It would still shoot minigun speed
marsh gust
can the grenade shoot beenades?
ashen warren
Presumably
glossy bough
Can it shoot plaguenades?
frank stratus
oh god
glossy bough
Can it shoot holy hand grenades 
jovial spire
I cant remember do they do anything special?
glossy bough
They’re mobile only 
glossy bough
And a great reference
ashen warren
Worms is good shit
jovial spire
Bennades grenade machine gun seems like a cpu killer
Lol
Roar of the jungle dragon plays while game is at 5 fps
ashen warren
The enemy ascende- Terraria has encountered an error
jovial spire
Acually it would bee be godly for scals spelucher phase
Basically 150 of 100 damage grenades
glossy bough
Sequence removed the Santa hat 🎉
ashen warren
I did that ages ago..
jovial spire
Grenade Machine Gun
Just regular grenade launchers are for babies.
Uses grenades and bombs as ammo
50% chance to not consume grenades or bombs.
Shoots grenades and bombs at about the speed of the minigun, which travel a medium distance and after that are affected by gravity.
Grenades, bee/plaugenades and bombs move about 3/4 of the speed of bullets, and are as accurate as the gatlgater.
Grenades, bee/plaugenades and bombs explode on impact, and bombs can destroy tiles, have fun with that.
Bombs have 1000% pickaxe power.
Plaugenades do higher damage and inflict plauge debuff.
Right click reduces fire rate but lets you shoots Bee/plaugenades.
Crafting: Minigun, 15 Darksun Fragments, 40 Gunpowder, and Gatlgater
Think its good now
tropic yoke
Is this a good mine?
jovial spire
Looks good
tropic yoke
:P
ashen warren
Make it go behind imo
frank stratus
ye good
tropic yoke
Gonna frame it tomorrow and submit.
jovial spire
Wish i could sprite, gonna try to get Asesprite aoon
brazen wedge
good except make the center rotate maybe
tropic yoke
Use piskel.
It's free, and reliable
Yeah idk what to do for the middle
Maybe 2 orbs spinning around eachother.
brazen wedge
i sometimes use it
jovial spire
Im guessing thats what you use?
brazen wedge
bye
tropic yoke
G'night
jovial spire
Cya
brazen wedge
gn
tropic yoke
💤
plush remnant
Ok, ngl, I really want the Ethereal Conjurer to get implemented.
worthy fiber
plush remnant
Yeah, that's one of the things I like about it. It basically offers you to either have one HUGE minion or a massive swarm of tiny minions
frail mantle
like before ML
weary walrus
@ashen warren don’t mind adding explanations eh?
ashen warren
Uh alright, lemme remake it.
brazen bramble
why are some items still throwing class? like molotov cocktail, shurikens, throwing knives, etc...
frail mantle
they are vanilla items, so it would be an absolute pain to change them to Rogue (if it's even possible)
quiet abyss
brazen bramble
ok then
desert nimbus
A cool thing to do would be adding like a jungle temple for the ice biome, and change the cryo key to be a drop form cryogen instead of what he spawns with, and it is used to open the door to it, but for balanced the bricks the 'Ice Castle' would be made out of also need a picksaw to be mined, or maybe just the defeat of Cryogen
frail mantle
Question:
-why
radiant meadow
what would spawn Cryogen then?
@ashen warren I mean, you could've just told me or somebody to forward it to Fab
no need to make a suggestion about your own patron item 
ashen warren
ye but idk how it works suggesting changes to a patron item tbh
i mean if you wanna forward it you can 
i just figured since it's in the mod suggestions'd be the proper place the same way as everything else
desert nimbus
Maybe like a chunk of cursed ice or something like that, call it like cursed snowflake or whatever and its made from ice, essence of eleum and souls of night @radiant meadow
ashen warren
Ice biome with a tear in the dimension somewhere in the frosty underground leading to the ice castle/kingdom yharim sealed away with its own boss/army to fight through (I dont recall much of the lore besides the tooltips, item desc and wiki stuff)
desert nimbus
I don't think yharim should be through that tear
however the ice castle he dissapeared would be pretty cool to explore
It could be like a bakcwards dungeon
glossy bough
Wdym
round falcon
Yharim wouldn't be through there, @desert nimbus. Sorry for the mention, by the way.
What I think they mean is that the army that Yharim locked in the ice castle would inhabit it. I don't read up on the lore, so I don't know if there even is an army.
desert nimbus
wait Yharim locked an army in there?
I thought the armies he destroyed turned into both the Ravager and the Polterghast
desert nimbus
I mean it was an archmage living in a castle so he probably had one
so maybe the enemies in there are that defeated army that all got warped away
round falcon
Again, I don't think there's an army. If there was one, then it'd make sense, but if not, then what would spawn in there?
desert nimbus
it could just be empty
and have like an eerie song
I'm sure DM Dokuro could probably make one that would fit perfectly
since all the other songs he made are so good
round falcon
but then what's the point
also Dokuro deserves a long break from Calamity and may not even work on any more songs for the OST.
desert nimbus
I mean yeah
but when the yharim and draedon fights come out...
glossy bough
Woah woah my man stop right there
What the hell fo you mean by dealing 5% boss HP per shot
desert nimbus
to who are you replying?
glossy bough
Dropkick’s suggestion
round falcon
Playing music is hard.
Composing music is harder.
Composing music with a limited soundfront is even harder.
Having the stress of "wHeReS sOuPeR cLaMtOs" while trying to stay sane and have people constanty nag you and what seems like the majority of the fanbase screeching at your feet?
That's what Dokruo has to go through.
glossy bough
^
desert nimbus
then it'd be better if he just make the song at the pace he wanted, and only when it was completed the new area would be released
and they wouldn't tell anyone about it coming up so no one would bother him
round falcon
Also yeah 1/20 even if it's based off CURRENT still means it's super strong and then gets worse, but I think that's too op. Dealing X% of a boss's HP is op, even 1%.
desert nimbus
yeah that definitely is broken
even if the weapon shoots once every 20 seconds or something
actually with 20 secondds it probably be fine
narrow saffron
I changed it, it'll be up to Fab to decide what percent off of boss HP it shaves off, and/or how much damage it does.
desert nimbus
but shooting a wep that does 1% of health eveyr 20 seoncds would mean the fight takes like 35 mins if you don't miss any and shoot as much as possible
desert nimbus
no
round falcon
Much better
jovial spire
Well thats the ice castle
novel pebble
I though Cryogen IS the castle? So why do we need an another ice castle?
round falcon
We don't
novel pebble
But to be honest, The ice biome is not interesting so it could some extra stuff.
round falcon
Cryogen is the ice castle and permafrost's prison
desert nimbus
I thought Cryogen was like a side effect of using magic to make an entire castle dissapear
cyan lagoon
Replace the ice tomb
novel pebble
Yes, It’s the castle.
cyan lagoon
Its garbage
round falcon
I've got an idea.
jovial spire
Oh, my bad
cyan lagoon
Nothing promising given you can find what it contains much quicker than soughting out the tomb
novel pebble
it isn’t really interesting, just like all the other ice biome stuff.
desert nimbus
I didn't even konw it existed
novel pebble
Ice biome need more love.
novel pebble
Just don’t give us Tremor’s Glacier please
desert nimbus
is that the one with a sunken boat and some guy you have to fight there?
or something like that
novel pebble
It’s some trash biome, I don’t really remember.
round falcon
Remove the Ice Pyramid that generates underground.
Instead, have the world generate a small ice fortress deep underground. This ice fortress would contain useful items and a locked Frozen chest. This would contain an accessory similar to the Soul of Cryogen/the Frost Flare. While near this fortress, Cryons and Ice Claspers will spawn, albeit weaker and drop no loot save money.
desert nimbus
The ice castle could be like the jungle temple except earlier in the game and instead of Plantera its cryogen
round falcon
Though I'll wait to suggest it as my dumb suggestion i made while half asleep is sti close to the top
Bottom*
desert nimbus
the cryo key
desert nimbus
maybe they can change it to a drop from cryo gen and make him spawn with something else
glossy bough
that's a boss summon lel
round falcon
It's the vanilla Frozen key.
radiant meadow
frozen key can drop from cryogen or any ice enemy rn
novel pebble
Oh, the biome chest one?
round falcon
Yes
desert nimbus
I feel like not many people would farm the frozen key to just get wings
radiant meadow
and the purpose of the suggestion involved changing the purpose of the cryo key
novel pebble
Ah, Ok.
round falcon
It wouldn't be wings
novel pebble
It would be similiar.
desert nimbus
isn't the soul of cryogen wings?
radiant meadow
farming for the frozen key would be kind of dumb though
novel pebble
It is.
round falcon
Yes, but it wouldn't be wings
radiant meadow
cryogen unlocks more than just wings
cryogen unlocks daedalus armor and 3 sets of weapons
cryogen weps, daedalus weps, and permafrost weps
glossy bough
Cryogen is a bit OP for its difficulty level
radiant meadow
is it overdone? maybe
round falcon
This would be post-Plantera, unless the code's been modified to allow Biome Chests to be opened pre-Plantera
desert nimbus
yeah cryogen drops lots of interesting things and unlocks the rest of the game
maybe the ice castle should be late game instead of early hardmoe
d
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round falcon
againthisispostplanteranotearlyhardmodesmh
desert nimbus
like maybe yharim gave the key to open its door or whatever to one of his minions and they drop it when they die
novel pebble
It’s post plantera .-.
desert nimbus
I mean like there should be a door like in the lizard temple
which you open with some sort of ice key
not the frozen one
round falcon
No. The best loot is already locked behind Plantera.
Everything else would be, like
Ice Chest loot maybe
perhaps removing the Ice Shrine and guarenteeing ice skates
round falcon
You can find and explore it at any time, but you can't get the post-Plantera stuff until post-Plantera.
desert nimbus
but it doesn't make sense that a boss from the oppposite side of the world and in what is literalyl the opposite biome to the ice biome would let you open that ice chest
plantera already unlocks the Post Planter Dungeon and the lizard temple
round falcon
It's not my own logic, it's the Dungeon logic
desert nimbus
so making it also unlock that ice temple chest would be too much for it I think
round falcon
Plantera cursed the Biome Keys
desert nimbus
then make it so the chest doesn't use a biome key
round falcon
No
desert nimbus
but why not?
it'd be stupid that you'd need 2 frozen keys if you were summoner or something
round falcon
Cryogen drops the Frozen Key at a high rate
desert nimbus
because most people playing summoner would prob want the staff of the frost hydra
round falcon
also Frost Hydra is outclassed by OOA summons
desert nimbus
isn't it a material for something though?
but then if cryogen dropped the frozen key at a high rate what about all the other classes that have to farm for theirs
jesus
balacning is hard
poor devs
radiant meadow
@vernal oar might want to note that rune can only be used in rev+
so the last statement holds true in rev+ only
vernal oar
yeah sorry and thanks, I'll change it
desert nimbus
wait is astrum deus post or pre platnera
round falcon
post iirc
radiant meadow
you can fight it before but progression dictates it be afterwards
narrow saffron
Yeah, Astral Worm boi is supposed to be after Golem.
glossy bough
What
radiant meadow
before actually but that's beside the point
glossy bough
Really?
radiant meadow
between plant and golem
narrow saffron
Oh, whoops.
glossy bough
nvm
brazen wedge
cant you craft temple key
brazen wedge
so cant you skip plantera?
radiant meadow
you could
novel pebble
Yes
radiant meadow
and this is starting to stray off topic 
round falcon
basically, what i'm saying is the pyramid should be replaced with an ice fortress. cryons and ice claspers spawn around there but only drop money. fortress may contain 1 or 2 ice chests with one containing guarenteed Ice Skates + Ice Chest standard loot and the other being a random Ice Chest item and standard loot. Then a locked Frozen Chest is at the bottom. This Frozen Chest contains something Cryogen-related, an accessory similar to the Frost Flare or Soul of Cryogen. This would be a post-Plantera item as it requires a Frozen Key to open.
ashen warren
I just want beautiful background/preceding setpieces to boss fights in future content but that requires building
Also when i suggested the ice castle thing it could be the ice biome to the desertd pyramid
Although someone should buff the pyramid to be like a pre hardmode lizarhd temple
Like a pyramid woukd have with traps and the like
novel pebble
It already got imrpoved, 2 bosses, an ore, a biome background, enemies, that’s enough love I must say.
round falcon
Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be posting my suggestion.
ashen warren
I want genersted buildings in em but yes that is sufficient love
desert nimbus
I've posted my suggestiong now
ashen warren
Kk
round falcon
Talk about stealing my thunder
desert nimbus
I mean it was my originigal idea
ashen warren
Thing is
cobalt lotus
how is yharim involved with this?
ashen warren
I like the idea of like a pocket dimension
He sealed the ice kingdom away or something like that
cobalt lotus
oh yeah
novel pebble
Yes, but the castle is cryogen.
desert nimbus
wait i'm checking
novel pebble
It is.
desert nimbus
kind of
it was created out of the darkness that yharim made when sealing the ice castle
its like a hatred snowflake basically
ashen warren
Cryogen is the physical manifeststion of what happened when Yharim had sealed the temple into a pocket dimension
Along with the entirety of the antagonism that plagues Kingdom Hearts
desert nimbus
nice
ashen warren
Permafrost breaks free from it though sp
So
Id argue for like the implementation of a fetch quest by permafrost to unlock his shop
By going into an opening to that pocket dimension that occurred by defeating cryogen while fending off the defensive runes placed by permafrost
But its twisting the lore to an extent i guess
novel pebble
What “Visual changes”, also, if that was to happen, there must be visual changes in the underworld too.
ashen warren
Ice pyramid would need the addition of new blocks to make them unmineable until post x or y
desert nimbus
yep
novel pebble
The OP said it can be explored early.
round falcon
Mine is like the Dungeon- come back later to get better loot
You can't get the Frozen Chest's loot until Plantera is defeated.
novel pebble
I meant doggo, not you.
lost agate
@vernal oar and thats why torches exist
vernal oar
I dunno, even that sometimes isn't enough
round falcon
Yes and I expanded on it and made it original
brazen wedge
also dangersense i think
desert nimbus
also I just realized
that there is one biome that has gotten the least love out of all of them
the hallow
there are like no hallow bosses
round falcon
forest tbh
desert nimbus
the forest is more like a lack of biome though
brazen wedge
profaned guardians
lost agate
There is two hallow bosses wdym?
delicate raft
I think in 2017 Val posted a spoiler of a new Hallow enemy
desert nimbus
I completley forgot you could fight providence in the hallow
because I think everyone fights her in the underworld
lost agate
And guardians too
desert nimbus
sorry
delicate raft
She said there was going to be a big expansion to the Hallow
round falcon
aegis>wings
novel pebble
Fantasia?
ashen warren
Using Dark Spark at New moon night
novel pebble
A mini-boss.
ashen warren
vernal oar
yeah, that's why I fight him in the day, but still... a really small increase in the visibility of projectiles wouldn't hurt. as far as I remember, scourge isn't the only case of this, though I can't really think of any other at the moment.
but again, it's barely a problem for me
novel pebble
There was also that girl mini-boss, called fantasia, she also got drops and stuff.
tropic yoke
Nice reference :P
delicate raft
oh oof
tropic yoke
Well, I don't think it's as spectacular as the summon weapon:
But how does it look to everyone else?
ashen warren
Mine looks like deadly sphere.
ashen warren
Yeah, but this looks like the summon.
frail mantle
Is that an Exo sentry
tropic yoke
Javelin
narrow saffron
Cryogen is Permafrosts prison.
tropic yoke
Omg it could totally be a sentry weapoor a javelin O.O
ashen warren
Oh, uh
zealous badge
what
ashen warren
You pallet shows in one of the frames
narrow saffron
The castle was sealed with Cryogen.
zealous badge
whaat
tropic yoke
I deleted the palette
ashen warren
Dude, look at the top left of the mines
narrow saffron
Once Cryogen is defeated, the magic, Permafrost, and the Ice Castle are released.
tropic yoke
Cryoge should be more... Structural then, instead of just a prism or whatever the f*ck cryogen is rn.
Besides a prison.
ashen warren
Wasn't it crushed together by magic runes?
frail mantle
It was scronched
zealous badge
all this time i thought castle was destroyed
tropic yoke
So, should I make Tyrannicide a sentry or javelin?
ashen warren
Make the javelin the summon staff, but keep the aspects
frail mantle
Javelin tbh
tropic yoke
Okay.
delicate raft
Equipable RoD was suggested and it's probably not happening @pure dove
pure dove
ah ok
delicate raft
It's supposed to be hard to use or it'll just make everything too easy
tropic yoke
Souls of dark x'D
ashen warren
Soul of night
tropic yoke
tbf a shorter chaos state debuff time would be dope
ashen warren
A sword that teleported you, no chaos debuff, just abyss flames or something that would add.
rocky needle
A buffed RoD is the last thing that we need. It's powerful enough already imo. I set the far right inventory slot to my side mouse button and put my RoD there, which works pretty similarly to the suggestion. click with thumb to switch and teleport away.
tropic yoke
I'm going to rework the Javelin's idea to be a little more... Interesting.
ashen warren
Daedelaus mybe?
ashen warren
Have javelins fall from the sky on a successful hit?
tropic yoke
Yeah
ashen warren
Homing Javelins
tropic yoke
I was gonna do that
I'm thinking of another swarm-type weapon.
Many projectiles
Just like fighting Astrum Deus with Celestus pls fix lag.
ashen warren
Fighting astrum deus anyway crashes my potato
Ooh, wait
You know the lasers from the destroyer, green, homing?
round falcon
LY, why not make it a Summon/Rouge weapon?
ashen warren
Bc SBOC is kig bay
ruby cobalt
god fucking dammit why do people still try to get their weaponout/fargo shit in here
round falcon
Left click could summon and right click could throw/target
ashen warren
Dude no
Magic swords and throwing summons bad.
Even the two that we got, the Aegis and Mirror are pretty bad
And one of them is a legendary
ashen warren
Yeah, but those are boomerangs
Those have a rhyme and reason
Also, you spelled rogue wrong
ashen warren
Then don't say regardless
round falcon
please do not do that
ashen warren
The only use I could see for a throwing/summon is a pokeball.
On another note, that would be epic
tropic yoke
Alright, I think I buffed the javelin to the point of being viable if your computer can handle it.
ashen warren
C'mon lessee!
tropic yoke
Tyrannicide: Auric Rogue Weapon.
Launches 3 javelins in a small spread. Each spear homes on enemies, sticking to them and causing 3 more javelins to fall from the sky, which explode into shards upon contact with enemies and blocks. Spears that come directly from the player will leave a trail of mines behind them, similar to the North Pole. These mines slowly move towards on-screen enemies and will explode into 6 shards after 3 seconds.
Green shards break into small healing orbs upon contact with enemies or blocks.
Blue shards have a small chance to instantly kill enemies below 500 health.
Silver shards do not home in on enemies, but will spawn 3 homing duplicates upon hitting enemies or blocks. These duplicates home in and have the characteristics or green and blue shards.
Ballistic Poison Bomb
Brimblade
Cosmic Kunai
Scourge of the Cosmos
Tooth Ball
5 Cosmilite Bars
5 Nightmare Fuel
5 Endothermic Energy
5 Darksun Fragments
3 Yharon Soul Fragments
5 Phantoplasm
ashen warren
Wow, much spam
tropic yoke
👌
narrow saffron
Huh. Neat
tropic yoke
I mean it is always up to the devs though.
I really hope at least one submission of mine gets in some day.
rustic ember
I like this weapon
rustic ember
Because rogue is best class and deserves more
hollow shell
Sorry I'm late, but I don't think Scourge of the Cosmos should be in the recipe
It's already viable against SCal, so needing to craft 2 for that weapon and the other one (or giving a dilema about whether or not to upgrade it) seems questionable to me
radiant meadow
so what to add instead?
tropic yoke
How about the gouger?
ashen warren
True palidins hammer
lost agate
Nah paladin is needed for triactis
ashen warren
Heck
lost agate
Gouger seems right
ashen warren
Hmmm.
hollow shell
Would be better if it was a pure Rogue weapon, like Infernal Spear
ashen warren
Ooh, infernal spears
tropic yoke
I'll look up the rogue items.
ashen warren
Maybe the tarra dart
hollow shell
Still prolly shouldn't be Infernal Spear itself cuz that's pretty late-game already
Ichor Spear / Cursed Dagger seems just fine to me
cold terrace
@tropic yoke why didnt you call it regicide
tropic yoke
?
cold terrace
ashen warren
'King die' isn't a good thing to call your weapon, even in a different language
ashen warren
No, I meant regicide
hollow shell
Tyrannicide means "Tyrant Die" though
ashen warren
Guess who is a tyrant.
hollow shell
Except that it doesn't because they have meanings outside of their literal ones
"Suicide" isn't a stupid word just because it means "self die"
tropic yoke
Ok, what should I name it?
ashen warren
Yeah, but regicides also a crime. Tyrannicide's got majesty to it.
cold terrace
i didnt know tyrannicide was a real word
tropic yoke
It sounds cool if you don't look into it too much.
ashen warren
It really shouldn't be
tropic yoke
Plus, the auric weapons were made for Yharim by draedon, right?
hollow shell
Maybe Yharim used it to kill the last tyrant :P
tropic yoke
:P
ashen warren
He used his big floof to kill iirc
Anyways, here's some bizzare thing I made.
Rune of Containment
Used to seal a powerful archmage long ago...
A non consumable ROGUE/summon weapon that, when used, throws a rune at an enemy, the rune has a chance of summoning a random armor minion, buffed/nerfed to your stage of the game. Orbitals such as the chlorophyte crystal will act as sentries instead of minions. Summoning/Successfully spawning another minion/summon will despawn the original minion. Wearing an armor that has a certain minion will eliminate the minion from the chance pool until unequipped. Equipping an armor with a matching minion to a summoned minion will delete the summoned minion.
Crafting: (5) Enchanted Metal + (3) Bar of life + (1) Spirit glyph @ Ancient Manipulator
Despite how fargo/weaponout this sounds, and how atrocious the code would be, the concept seems interesting and would benefit the one multiclass accessory, the SBOC, from the murky pit of bad it inhabits.
tropic yoke
Ballistic Poison Bomb
Brimblade
Cosmic Kunai
Lionfish
Scourge of the Cosmos
Valediction
Abyss-heavy weapon
hollow shell
Scourge is still there 
hollow shell
I guess just use Tarragon Throwing Darts
like 100 of em
cold terrace
what's a throwing weapon?
ashen warren
HECK
ashen warren
Forgot those existed? Me too
hollow shell
lmao
cold terrace
thats a good suggestion
ashen warren
They have cursed inferno
tropic yoke
It has like 1/2 of the items
hollow shell
That page is automatic, so there's some technical fuckery happening
tropic yoke
E
I might actually just make an entire account and help fix the wiki.
No offense, but there's many a bad thing in the wiki A.T.M.
tropic yoke
Plus, it'll help me bild up them sweet good boi points
ashen warren
I tried and got banned for fixing someone replacing the Lorde's name with 'Outdated meme' 
tropic yoke
The trick of typing is to purposely mispell certain words so when you for real mispell something, it looks natural.
hollow shell
wtf
Timer I don't think that's true
ashen warren
Really? Ima go check to see if my accout is back.
hollow shell
Even if so, the maximum block time for a one-off thing is 1 or 2 weeks
ashen warren
Still gone.
hollow shell
My guy I think something happened to your account
ashen warren
It had a really spammy name, I might have been labled as a bot.
tropic yoke
Wait... I need a twitch account to edit in gamepedia?
hollow shell
Yes
tropic yoke
This is some serious inception.
hollow shell
What's your wiki name?
hollow shell
Wow way to obfuscate your own identity
tropic yoke
I'm not in the mood to make an alias
I could've put in "Jacob P. Robets of Cincinnati Ohio," but I put "LiterallyYharim."
It's a good enough cover up.
ashen warren
You could do Drones
tropic yoke
(no that name is not mine so don't try)
ashen warren
Yeah, so it's the perfect disguise.
hollow shell
I meant that it's going to be difficult differentiating yourself from
Yharim
ashen warren
Anyhow, this is a bit offtopic.
tropic yoke
Yeah.
hollow shell
smh he's typing a suggestion, should be obvious
ashen warren
Shh, he fell asleep on the keyboard
brazen wedge
💤
ashen warren
A wall of text will awaken!
hollow shell
ffs
icy kelp
inb4 trolling everyone 
ashen warren
Who knows, maybe he'll have a great suggestion.
Or maybe it'll be a two sentence poem.\
If it's the last one, I'm quitting Calamity.
brazen wedge
half sentence order for pizza
ashen warren
HE HAS SPOKEN!
brazen wedge
broken prototype?
brittle bane
Read the suggestion
tropic yoke
Ngl auric tesla trap.
ashen warren
Man, i'd have waited till Yharim was an actual thing inside of the mod
brazen wedge
oh
ashen warren
But these are really good.
tropic yoke
invincelbity frames
brittle bane
Oops
tropic yoke
Also, put a "~" before each damage number, as specific damage numbers aren't allowed afaik.
ashen warren
Also the traps are neat.
brittle bane
I like the traps too
ashen warren
How about adding onto the jungle temple?
brittle bane
It is a mini structure in the jungle temple
ashen warren
Maybe turning it into a castle?
tropic yoke
I'm finna doin' a grammar to it.
ashen warren
If it really is from Yharim (Who doesn't exist yet), then the temple could be revealed as an illusion within the castle.
brittle bane
It was supposed to be were dreadon would store all his inventions
ashen warren
So, free exoblade?
brittle bane
Inside the jungle temple
Nope
The only thing let is the broken prototype
also i had more trap ideas:
ashen warren
Keep in mind his inventions also included mechanical bosses, cosmilite, the exoblade, and Yharims armor.
brazen wedge
Puts it in closet
tropic yoke
Now my enter key will be gay!
:)
Ooh, make upgraded 1.3.4 sentries out of auric materials.
novel pebble
Yharim’s army but it’s ooa style
devout seal
They aren't going to add any post-world generation structures
because that is too laggy and a bad idea
brittle bane
not post world gen
it is spawned during world gen but cant be opened until you get a drop from yharim
ashen warren
Final boss, not superboss?
hollow shell
uhh
novel pebble
Final regular boss*
brittle bane
oops
ashen warren
I mean, Xeroc/Goozma exist
hollow shell
There's still gonna be stuff after Yharim
novel pebble
There will be superbosses after him.
brittle bane
yharon
devout seal
And i don't count them as bosses
because they're superbosses.
novel pebble
But they’re still bosses
hollow shell
Should we remove all Exo-weapons, because they're after the current final boss, Yharon?
ashen warren
Yes.
hollow shell
(tis an extreme but
jus tryin to make a point)
ashen warren
I wonder what will happen to dev weapons?
devout seal
moved to post someone, probably.
ashen warren
Will they get resprited to fit with the Scal
brittle bane
what should the vault be made of?
novel pebble
They will be put into the final boss.
devout seal
Nah, they'll surely be moved to post superbosses.
ashen warren
So, there are possibilities for Scal weapon suggestions.
hollow shell
But not made with Shadowspec Bars
They must be using Calamitous Essence
or direct drops, sure
ashen warren
That true
devout seal
or that
ashen warren
Calamitous Essence purple tho.
novel pebble
And?
ashen warren
In case you haven't noticed, Scal isn't purple by any extention
So, that'll need a resproot
brittle bane
auric bricks: gold bricks that have glowing blue runes on the (a bit like the carvings on lihzahrd brick)
ashen warren
Keep in mind that spriting blocks is really hard to do
brittle bane
then what should the vault be made if?
ashen warren
Hayzus Christus man
brittle bane
?
hollow shell
brittle bane
btw the weapon and vault suggestions are different because if you like the weapon but not the vault then you can vote for one
hollow shell
How the fuck am I supposed to star that
also I recommend bolding the first "Auric vault:", the first "Tyrants force:", and the first "Traps: " so that it's easier to read
doesn't look as much like a wall of text
tropic yoke
Man, I don't know what to do now that I've finished my auric weapon suggestions.
o-o
frail mantle
Try thinking of a late pre-ML throwing weapon
Afaik Throwing is still lacking in that section of the game
tropic yoke
Xeroc pitchfork
frail mantle
Something post-Golem, but pre-Cultist
ashen warren
Wulfrum dagger
tropic yoke
^
ashen warren
Meteor fist upgrade that drops from golem
tropic yoke
ashen warren
Yeah
The traps are the only thing I like, the shrine is cool and all, but I dislike everything else
tropic yoke
@brittle bane There's still sum grammar issues in the suggestion. Do you want to do a quick edit and replace it?
(ehh?)
ashen warren
A fist throwing glove
ashen warren
How about an early hm item that applies Exo-Freeze to everyone but the player, but only for 2 seconds. Like a watch that stops time.
tropic yoke
;-;
ashen warren
Do mind that the non mechanical bosses aren't effected by EF
frail mantle
Tbh there should be an Auric bar crafted with all the materials like Nightmare Fuel and Yharon Soul Fragments that are used to craft Auric armor and Exo weapons
ashen warren
Requires exodium
tropic yoke
That'd be really similar to shadowspec
ashen warren
Hey, maybe a combo of NF and EE, which can be made into a COC like item with DF.
So I don't have to take up so much space when I'm trying to make certain items
glossy bough
tbh it would be less intimidating that way
icy kelp
Probably haven’t realized it’s separate messages?
novel pebble
I don’t think that was really needed..
brittle bane
well, people thought it was all one message
hollow shell
ech
Alright
Repost all that
but put the traps right after Auric Vault. You don't have any way to obtain the traps outside of the vault, so either they'll be grouped up or you gotta think of a way to obtain them otherwise
glossy bough
Snow "small structure" doesn't have to mean shrine-sized
hollow shell
Like, something displaying your current amount of minion slots?
ashen warren
To specify: what is in the summon slots
Like how many of each
Like a little number under your minion spawned buff
hollow shell
That does sound a bit difficult
ashen warren
I was just curious because sometimes when you have quite a few minions it's hard to keep track of them
isn't there a mod that already does that, although i recall it not being compatible with calamity summons
Oh
Apparently Summoners Association does this
Speaking of summon, heres an idea I improved upon:
Rune of Containment
Used to seal a powerful archmage long ago...
A non consumable rogue/summon weapon that, when used, throws a rune at an enemy, the rune has a chance of summoning a random armor minion, buffed/nerfed to your stage of the game. Orbitals such as the chlorophyte crystal will act as sentries instead of minions. Summoning/Successfully spawning another minion/summon will despawn the original minion. Wearing an armor that has a certain minion will eliminate the minion from the chance pool until unequipped. Equipping an armor with a matching minion to a summoned minion will delete the summoned minion. The revengeance damage reduction does not apply until 3 seconds of the item being out, as to prevent spam.
Crafting: (5) Enchanted Metal + (3) Bar of life + (1) Spirit glyph @ Ancient Manipulator
: Despite how fargo/weaponout this sounds, and how atrocious the code would be, the concept seems interesting and would benefit the one multiclass accessory, the SBOC, from the murky pit of bad it inhabits. Also, it could serve as a vague pokemon reference. As if the mod wasn't chock full of references already
Define rogue/summon?
Because anything non summon is kind of a nerf in rev+
Rogue damage on throw/hit
Summon damage as minion/sentry
Maybe pure damage would be more suitable
It's pretty tough to balance pure without a gimmick
novel pebble
How is that a Pokemon reference?
novel pebble
Oh.
ashen warren
I like any concept that expands on the Rogue role however. Summoner is a loner class if you wanna hit the calamity difficulties.
Explain the premise of the SBOC and Signus to me then
Because Rogue/Summoner is legit
If not awful due to the revengeance cap
I mean in the sense of you not having a diverse weapon set due to the summoner nerf
Yeah.
Hybrid is the way to go with summoner for sure, but I think that's why it's like the way it is
Yeah, Rogue and summoner are lesser classes, made to be attached to other classes for a buff of some sort.
Rogue is strong, but my issue with it currently is while there aren't any real gaps in the weapon progression that stop you from doing a pure rogue run, there are some points where there is just one weapon you can use at any given moment
frail mantle
Just like Summoner
ashen warren
But you can't have a rogue weapon that deals pure
And if it doesn't deal pure it's incompatible with summoner
Well, in harder modes at least. It's not like it's out of the question
tropic yoke
Abyssal Billet:
8 Lumenyl
8 Depth Cells
4 Tenebris
4 Victide Bars
lost agate
Billets
tropic yoke
Used to make everything that any combination of Lumenyl, Depth cells, and Tenebris is used to make.
I failed making a bar so I changed to billets
Ehh?
frail mantle
Neat
tropic yoke
"I failed making a bar so I changed to billets."
Just another way to cut off the Abyss from the rest of the world.
novel pebble
Just post it, It makes more sense, even if you can’t make bars.
ashen warren
Makes it hard to find in recipe finders though
I usually just type in "Bar" in search
tropic yoke
Except for, ya'know... The first npc you will ever see in Terraria.
tropic yoke
Ehh, can't argue with that.
Well, the recipe browser mod (the best one) just lets you put any material into its UI slot and it'll show you what the item is a meterial for.
I don't know why anyone would instantly go for "bar"
tropic yoke
?
ashen warren
Eh, calling it Bar is best for consistency. even if my search methods are lacking
tropic yoke
Billet could also be used in blocks, like... Poles, pipes, pipe walls, pipe-like furniture (lmao poor calamity), etc.
ashen warren
I think you just like working with billets and are projecting lol
Bars are to Terraria, as cubes are to minecraft
tropic yoke
Uhhh...
I haven't played Minecraft for about half a decade, and I know that they're ingots.
ashen warren
I'm saying that they are integral, they aren't called diamond ingots are they?
tropic yoke
They're just diamonds.
golden sonnet
yep
it's been there for as long as I remember, and forgot to suggest it, as I wasn't very active until recently
ashen warren
I've heard of it happening but I'm not sure 
hollow shell
Oh you know what
I see why
CotBG's check for the <100 defense damage boost happens before Reaper Tooth Necklace halves your defense
in the code
rocky needle
Out of curiosity, why do so many people seem to dislike the new proficiencies? I understand the vast majority are happy with them or completely apathetic but I don't see why people dislike them
fading plume
Because it's mandatory
rocky needle
But it's really not that consequential. You get small buffs if you use a weapon type a lot
fading plume
They aren't that small
rocky needle
If it was totally busted OP I'd understand
You can still do SCal DM with level 0 weapons and it would only be a little slower than level 15
fading plume
SCal also has a dps cap
so it really doesn't apply that well there
the point is very simple, it's a feature that oversteps the previous features calamity had
calamity was never a mechanic changing game
rocky needle
At level 15 it's a 15% dmg increase right? That's powerful sure, but not that insane. You can almost get that from a wrath potion
fading plume
@rocky needle it's not JUST a 15% damage increase
attack speed increase, crit chance increase
dusty stirrup
yeah it's 12%
fading plume
all of these increase dps by a noticeable amount
dusty stirrup
Not really
It only gets noticeable when you've leveled up quite abit and compare it to the initial level 1
fading plume
Dude, I'm a roguelike player, my playthroughs consists of figuring out how DPS is increased
rocky needle
I kind of see your point, but by the end game I doubt you'd notice the difference much in the midst of combat. The Yharon fight being 5-10 seconds shorter isn't something you're going to notice or be sad about
glossy bough
Lol binding of Isaac
fading plume
things like attack speed, crit chance, crit damage, base damage increase, or whatever, definitely affect dps in surprising ways
dusty stirrup
attack speed is only for melee
rocky needle
A lot of us are roguelike players. I have 1000s of hours in Gungeon, Isaac etc. that doesn't matter.
dusty stirrup
and honestly melee needs it
fading plume
The point is, with other RPG mods and mechanic changing mods out there that can potentially conflict with this new system
dusty stirrup
the crit chance increases once every 3 levels or so
Calamity doesn't aim to go well with other mods
fading plume
Calamity's new proficiency system should not be baked in, it should be able to be disabled
frank stratus
fetid bagnakhs with extreme melee speed boosts can kill destroyer in 20 seconds
fading plume
Look ,if you wanna keep it as a feature, go ahead
but please let the option for it to be disabled in a config file
rocky needle
Maybe enabled/disabled with the items the goblin sells then? That seems to be the best of both worlds
frank stratus
now if it was like a 100 dmg bagnakhs oh god 
dusty stirrup
If fabsol decides to add that in then he will
fading plume
there are 9 devs in the server that are online besides fab, you're telling me, that he's the only one that can change that.
glossy bough
Devs need approval from Fab to add stuff I think
fading plume
A feature that wouldn't affect any users unless they willingly go out of their way to do it
rocky needle
He's the head developer, I'm pretty sure he gets a big say as to what gets added
fading plume
I don't mind if he keeps the feature, I just want it to be optional, is that really too much to ask?
dusty stirrup
^
fading plume
eh
tropic yoke
After several ideas trashed, I settled on this for Abyssal Billets ._.
It's a very .-. sprite
radiant pawn
@tropic yoke your suggestions are probably the best i saw
tropic yoke
I think I'd be better off learning how to make bars at this point.
radiant pawn
are those bars?
they look like blocks
try giving them more round-like edges at the top corners
radiant pawn
oh ok
if im honest i really dont mind the levelling system even if i still dont understand it
glossy bough
Literally yharim try recoloring a Gold Bar sprite
hollow shell
@ashen warren May I ask why?
The duration is already 30 minutes
wait no 10 minutes, sorry
hollow shell
ok
radiant pawn
just suggest infinity to do a 60 minute zerg
tropic yoke
@glossy bough It's Uelibloom. get it right, nerd.
Not gonna lie I'm ass at bars and that's why I tried the billet idea.
Now I'm just recoloring Calamity bars.
cobalt lotus
portabulb has 83 stars 
cobalt lotus
also @tropic yoke I love your text style on your suggestions
frail mantle
It shows that you actually thought it out instead of shitting ideas on the go
tulip fulcrum
Oof
frail mantle
Basically, it shows that you don’t do what I do
tropic yoke
Which one is the best?
glossy bough
2 is just a uelibloom recolor
tropic yoke
(yeah they're recolors)
glossy bough
I like 1
frail mantle
3 imo
tropic yoke
(I'm butt at spriting bars)
frank stratus
3 looks like enchanted metal and it reminds me of bacon for some reason
eh
2 imo
it's mostly texture, what is it for?
frank stratus
lmfao
glossy bough
Actually nvm I like 3
crisp osprey
I personally like all of them
But whatever you prefer really
glossy bough
well 1 is the one with zero votes
tropic yoke
It's got my vote so...
glossy bough
ah crap
tropic yoke
lul
Idk it is up to the devs.
I like 1 because the palettes went perfectly together in terms of numbers, it looks the smoothest and most abyss-like, and it's a victide bar recolor, which is what this bar is going to be an upgrade of.
2 had good potential, but its colors were off.
frank stratus
tbh they all look fine to me
tropic yoke
3 was the astral bar, which didn't match the abyss' tone or palettes.
Lemme cosmilite recolor real quick.
How's the presentation?
glossy bough
good
frail mantle
yes
frank stratus
oo abyss bars, yes that works
tropic yoke
I've decided that B is my least favourite letter because it's hard to pull off well with that font.
Ooh I should totally start putting the ingredients as images in the presentation, too.
Hmmm
Should I put the recipe in images?
nvm I don't think it'd work.
Not for this one, at least.
frail mantle
It’d probably just not be worth it
novel pebble
Nah, they’re good.
novel pebble
Man, I love your suggestions.
rocky needle
Wires are too expensive? Who has ever complained about wire prices? Even in vanilla they're super cheap and considering you can walk outside and get 1 platinum in Calamity I wouldn't say wire prices need to be reduced
glossy bough
Rip
glossy bough
Unless you play normal mode
tropic yoke
Wires and pipes and such.
novel pebble
Normal mode 
crisp osprey
Yeh
rocky needle
Petition to remove normal mode from the game
ashen warren
The only problem is you spelled abyssal as abbysal
glossy bough
And death is wacky
ashen warren
Other than that its good
novel pebble
Playing normal is difficult without the good items expert+ has.
tropic yoke
There's just so much stuff you miss in expert/
crisp osprey
Once you get used to fighting in each mode you are pretty much set
frail mantle
Fabsol has said that Revengeance Mode is how he thought Expert mode should have been iirc
jovial spire
Ikr
novel pebble
It’s been 3 minutes..
glossy bough
Agh
frail mantle
We need to get a cool dude here first
rocky needle
Who is allowed to react to posts?
tropic yoke
Mods
novel pebble
Cool dudes.
jovial spire
Its been like 60 hours
glossy bough
Cool dude +
novel pebble
Got a star, yay!
tropic yoke
lmao
livid coral
Shame on you spelling abyssal wrong
tropic yoke
HECK
crisp osprey
I feel like most, if not all, of Yharim’s ideas should get implemented in a way
livid coral
Abbysal
glossy bough
7 stars in 10 sec
tropic yoke
Be prepared to re-star
frail mantle
abby
novel pebble
N O
crisp osprey
If not its own standalone mod
glossy bough
^
novel pebble
^^
tulip fulcrum
^^^
frail mantle
tropic yoke
Well, I added a though.
glossy bough
frank stratus
abbyssal bars tho
tulip fulcrum
novel pebble
He had to do it to em
tulip fulcrum
delicate raft
Me like
crisp osprey
⭐️ heres my star
jovial spire
Abby bars, made from my annoying classmate
tropic yoke
golden sonnet
you can edit messages....
frank stratus
not images
jovial spire
Nit srites
tropic yoke
nit srites
jovial spire
*not aprites
tropic yoke
aprites
glossy bough
tropic yoke
x'D
novel pebble
This one got more stars in a faster time, Improvements!
frank stratus
tropic yoke
golden sonnet
you didn;t change the sprite though?
tropic yoke
Can I get a fat RIP for CFalcon?
jovial spire
The name
frank stratus
it said abbyssal bars lmfao
golden sonnet
oh
tulip fulcrum
RIP
golden sonnet
🤦
frail mantle
rip in peace
tulip fulcrum
F to pay respects
rocky needle
frank stratus
i was wondering if it was intentional at first thing he didn't notice it or something
tulip fulcrum
F
tropic yoke
this is why this channel exists
tulip fulcrum
F
tropic yoke
BIG RIP
jovial spire
Ikr how does that
jovial spire
Fuck the shut up
tulip fulcrum
Oof
jovial spire
tropic yoke
ok Oh
frank stratus
lmfao
ashen warren
Big sad
tropic yoke
loamf
frail mantle
Hyper oof
frank stratus
loam, F
rocky needle
You're given a lot of warning before Leviathan spawns and you know when to get away. Leviathan spawns on the Siren, not the player. The brothers were changed because there was far less warning and their spawns weren't consistent.
tropic yoke
How does one distance themselves while on the edge of the map?
spiral olive
leviathan has spawned opposite of the siren before so that doesnt really hold up
the spawn isnt directly on her
rocky needle
Stop attacking, reposition and attack. I see your point though, but I don't really think it needs a change imo
glossy bough
^
tropic yoke
I hope Leviathan gets a huge re-design in general.