suggestions-discussion

[fervent zealot]

if it's this hard for you to make an actual suggestion swag then just get outta here

don't become adir 2

[vale basin]

i know im swag

ans its in the bag

[ashen warren]

"Huge pets that sit on bosses" how the fuck is this a good suggestion?

We've already got pets and making them bigger would serve no purpose other than to block vision of the player

[vale basin]

we got a Hater

[fervent zealot]

itt's a shitty idea

[vale basin]

shhhhhhhhh

[ashen warren]

The pet acting like navi doesn't matter in a game where you can see everything and lock onto targets by yourself anyway

[frail mantle]

*we got a reasonable person

[fervent zealot]

shh for shitty, please get outta here with vision obscuring bad ideas

[vale basin]

alright new ideas anyone

[fervent zealot]

acutual good well thought out helpful ideas

[ashen warren]

a sword that requires mana and ammo

Play the calamity mod, look for something that disturbed to flow of playing (something QoL will generally get in) and suggest that

[frail mantle]

-mirror blade

[ashen warren]

Suggest weapons for when a class is especially weak

Like throwing post-golem

thanks fo telling us how to suggest sequence

[radiant meadow]

or summoner post ml

[ashen warren]

its good theres a formulaf or how to do it

or else you might get unique suggestions

[radiant meadow]

it's just awful

[ashen warren]

Well you obviously have no idea how to do it

[lost agate]

I would say buff post ml summoning for provi but thats already being done

Iirc

[teal shoal]

You mean post polter

[radiant meadow]

both tbh

[ashen warren]

you're right, but @vale basin does, ill leave it to him

[frail mantle]

Currently summoner succs except for at SCal

[radiant meadow]

trash axe dps on prov transfers to polter

[ashen warren]

I'm going to stop before I warned smh

[radiant meadow]

yharon is doable at least

[lost agate]

Any ideas on a reasonable ravager drop?
Mainly throwing

[frail mantle]

Throwing Braelor and Statis’ skulls

[ashen warren]

throw one of his limbs around

[radiant meadow]

there's been a thrower ravager drop suggestion in the past

[lost agate]

[vale basin]

about improved Ai for summons

nailed it

[ashen warren]

The nukes, throw those and even scal will eye you suspiciously

[radiant meadow]

Crab only got 44 stars

[ashen warren]

scal isn't eoc smh

termi

[radiant meadow]

oops, copied wrong junk

[vale basin]

A Nuke launcher

[radiant meadow]

it was this Vicious Manner
meh name tbh

Throwing weapon, Ravager drop

• Throws big fleshy (formless) head, with medium velocity and slight arc, that pierces 2 enemies (disappears on 3rd)

• Head also can bounce twice

• Additionally, the head rapidly spawns bloody drops that fall down and do not pierce (similar to Spear of Paleolith)

This is good crowd control weapon that also is somewhat potent in killing several bosses. Also it compensates lack of post-Golem throwing options. Last but not least reasoning is Ravager currently having only 1 weapon drop (Hematemesis).

didn't get sent

[vale basin]

Should a nuke be in the suggestions

[fervent zealot]

no thanks

[ashen warren]

If you design it well then sure

Ravager already has nukes so they would likely be that tier

[lost agate]

What about something that you throw, goes in a straight line, but shoots out blood projectiles everywhere

[ashen warren]

what about a plague beenade

[lost agate]

Ben smh

[ashen warren]

Already getting added

[fervent zealot]

bloodshot bomb???

[ashen warren]

i know

[fervent zealot]

there's a name for you

[lost agate]

Maybe

[ashen warren]

i was the one who mentioned it before

[radiant meadow]

It's Ben's patreon item, right?

[lost agate]

Ye

As expected tbh

[vale basin]

is my name "good Ideas"

[ashen warren]

the patreon items are pretty legit tbh

[radiant meadow]

if only I could pay

[fervent zealot]

swag, bad ideas aren't funny

[lost agate]

Im anxious to give provi a taste of her own medicine

[fervent zealot]

please just stop and actually put thought into your ideas

[radiant meadow]

I could buy a Visa gift card, but idk how to get it on Patreon

[ashen warren]

what sucks is i had an idea to improve my one more but i'm not sure if i should bring it up

[vale basin]

The better minion AI

how bout dat

[fervent zealot]

already suggested pllenty of times

[vale basin]

[fervent zealot]

it's going to happen at some point when fab has enough motivation to unretardate a serious vanilla issue

[lost agate]

And how do you make it better exactly?

[ashen warren]

Fab hates coding minions iirc

[lost agate]

Thats the thing

[radiant meadow]

honestly, there's only 1 Calamity minion that needs a better ai

[fervent zealot]

also known as

never.

[radiant meadow]

the rest of them have a good enough AI

[ashen warren]

He likely isn't gonna redo them unless somebody finds a universal fix

[radiant meadow]

vanilla minion ai's are

[vale basin]

the mech warm?

[radiant meadow]

mechworm ai is fine

[lost agate]

Then uh.... Blood clots?

[radiant meadow]

I guess, but mainly sand sharknados

[lost agate]

Ah those

[radiant meadow]

but that's cuz they borrow vanilla ai

[ashen warren]

That's not ai mostly

Make the sharks home but weakly

Like the frostflash blade

Or whatever it's called

[radiant meadow]

and make them actually attack at a reasonable rate?

they tend to follow the player

instead of actually attacking

[ashen warren]

There is that

Increase the aggro range

[radiant meadow]

and that is a fault with vanilla ai's

[ashen warren]

That's probably why

[radiant meadow]

it's not even range

[ashen warren]

so essentially

improve the ai

like @vale basin said

didnt they teach u guys to be concise in high school

[radiant meadow]

I circled plant like 5 feet away and the twins wouldn't attack

[vale basin]

oooooooooooooooooooooo

[radiant meadow]

something like vigil or seastars attack fine

[ashen warren]

@ashen warren look, you need to explain exactly what you want if you want a suggestion to get in

Read the pins

i dont care about my suggestions

i dont know why you're explaining to me what i should do to get them in

[radiant meadow]

and it's not that simple to just "improve the ai"

minions are probably the messiest class to code

thrower probably being a far 2nd

[ashen warren]

I'm not talking specifically to you

oh ok

sorry for the misunderstanding

"Be precise if you want item or enemy stat to be buffed or nerfed. Explain your reason behind the change, and why the stat should be changed to your suggested value." this functions for just about everything else

[frail mantle]

Dark Crystal
You can feel the crystals pulsating in the palm of your hand
Non-consumable throwing weapon
Throws a shadowy crystal that splits upon hitting an enemy, inflicting the Spreading Crystals Debuff on the enemy.
Crafted at a mythril Anvil with 50 crystals, 25 souls of might, 5 living shards and 10 solar tablet fragments.
Reason: post-Golem throwing is pretty lacking in weapons. This is my attempt at fixing this.

Spreading Crystals
Debuff caused by the Dark Crystal
Causes high DoT and slows down the enemy
Has a 10% chance (5% for hardmode minibosses and 1% for post-ML enemies) to convert the enemy to a friendly enemy upon death, which will attack enemies until either a minute has passed, or it has taken damage equal to original health.

[ashen warren]

@vale basin E.l.a.b.o.r.a.t.e

"Improve the ai" how should they be improved

[vale basin]

ELaBorAtE

[ashen warren]

Why should they be improved

Et cetera

i think summoner would be more interesting if you could buff your minions

[unique vector]

hol'

up

[ashen warren]

maybe ill suggest an entirely new mechanic n flesh it out

[unique vector]

i've been informed of some brainletry going on

[frail mantle]

Elaborate ™

[topaz flint]

summoner:

[ashen warren]

ok "why they should be improved" try circling plant and having the twins just stare at her for the rest of the fight

that'll tell you why they should be improved

[topaz flint]

ok you guys attack I focus on NOT DYING

minions:[okey]

[ashen warren]

wut

[topaz flint]

wut

[radiant meadow]

minions say okay and then proceed to get trash dps or not attack at all depending on the minion
or actually do an astounding job

[frail mantle]

I’ll just assume my suggestion is cool since no one has complained about it yet

[radiant meadow]

well, this post plant weapon better be viable for fishron and pbg

[frail mantle]

I hope so

[ashen warren]

Don't be disruptive, there was no reason for those messages smh

And about the Dark Crystal

It seems.. lacking in mechanics

Especially for a post-golem weapon

We've already got hard hitting weapons that have a strong DoT

[vale basin]

did you just sy that just becasue he like is own idea

[ashen warren]

..What?

Speak like a person thanks

[vale basin]

iam not a person

[frail mantle]

Just speak like one, thanks

[vale basin]

ok

[frail mantle]

[ashen warren]

Wait.. is the dark crystal a hollow knight reference or am I just crazy?

[vale basin]

what the hell is Hollow Knight

[frail mantle]

Nah it’s just something I thought of myself

[vale basin]

da fuck

[lost agate]

Rude

[vale basin]

da heck

better?

[jovial spire]

Hollow Knight is a platformer game.

Never played it myself but i've heard really good things

[ashen warren]

I wouldn't recommend it personally

But you do you

[hollow shell]

I would absolutely recommend it

Masterpiece of a game

[ashen warren]

I guess it's just my tastes

I like bosses that use logical flow in their movements instead of brute force to damage the player

Hollow knight is my GOTY for 2017

I better leave before I get sick

I'd argue that the only boss that brute forces the player is the first one and maybe nosk but eh

They all have patterns

Especially grimm

Eh, there's people who think After Earth is an underrated gem
Takes all kinds

[unique vector]

hollow knight has a little too much backtracking for my tastes

[ashen warren]

Surprisingly I didn't need to backtrack a whole lot

Still completed a 106% save

Offtopic though :/

[worthy fiber]

After Earth? The movie?

[ashen warren]

Let's move to #general-media

[worthy fiber]

I thought we were already there

[gusty geode]

Made an edit to my suggestion that took way longer than it needed to

[plush remnant]

You know, I really like that throwing weapon concept. But it sounds like it would be a pain in the ass to code.

[radiant meadow]

@umbral tendon Some new music boxes are getting added next update. Music boxes get added when sprited.

[worthy fiber]

^

[earnest raptor]

[fervent zealot]

oh god non dark tttheme

[vestal elbow]

Light Theme

[ashen warren]

My eyes are burning smh I was about to go sleep

[earnest raptor]

Who have two 50-stars suggestions in row?

[radiant meadow]

Mishi actually getting sleep?

[earnest raptor]

And also.

I'm posted BI around 5 months earlier.

[fervent zealot]

@crystal osprey can you don't witth meme suggestions

[hollow shell]

@crystal osprey Dont get warned

[worthy fiber]

That won't even fit in into Calamity

[crystal osprey]

Im serious i want a fucking bonzie buddie

but i'll delete it

:C

[fervent zealot]

yeah not the place tto ask for thtat

[worthy fiber]

Make your own then

[fervent zealot]

^

[worthy fiber]

#suggestions-voting is for things that will actually benefit this mod

[crystal osprey]

aight

[worthy fiber]

With the buff minion dude?

[glossy bough]

buff minion on stardust is actual garbage though lel

[worthy fiber]

The current armor minions are pretty uninterestingg

Pretty much

[glossy bough]

yep

tbh a boxer dude would be pretty cool

that reminds me of another suggestion I was gonna make

[hollow shell]

Is it... actually supposed to be that big?

[glossy bough]

Idk how to make tiny sprites

but possibly, if it seems balanced

[hollow shell]

Its bigger than frickin Anarchy Blade

[glossy bough]

damn

[fervent zealot]

c l o n k

[glossy bough]

^

[hollow shell]

Actually it'd probably be better to suggest a high knockback classless item
and not post a sprite with it

[glossy bough]

good point

[hollow shell]

because all the classes except melee would find some use in keeping enemies away

[glossy bough]

okay

there we go

[hollow shell]

You should define that its classless
and also your Why still says "mage"

[glossy bough]

done

[hollow shell]

I meant like
"The Knocker
~10 Damage (Classless)
6 Firerate"

sorry if I'm picky

[glossy bough]

If I don't post a class, it implies that it's classless, correct?

unless fabsol and friends got some thicc skulls, but I don't think they do

[hollow shell]

It being classless is important

You shouldn't leave it ambiguous

[glossy bough]

ok

[hollow shell]

Thankyas

[glossy bough]

[hollow shell]

[glossy bough]

you're welcome

come up with recipes and whatnot, probably

or maybe propose an addition for existing armor set bonuses

oh ok

like the auric components?

I only have like 1 summoner

[wise pollen]

summoner is actually worst class by far

[hollow shell]

Throwing exists

[frosty kindle]

really depends on where you look at in game

[glossy bough]

yeah I have like 1 summoner, 1 ranger, and a bunch of throwers

[radiant pawn]

um

zen exists

[frosty kindle]

for instance, throwing just shreds SCal

[glossy bough]

summoner is real good vs. WoF

[radiant pawn]

and killing remaining enemies exist

[hollow shell]

Summoner and Thrower are both lacking in content but at least Summoner is interesting

[glossy bough]

^

[radiant pawn]

^

[frosty kindle]

summoner is interesting, but a downside i felt was gambling on its AI

[glossy bough]

summoner makes boss rush fun

especially summoner + exoblade

[frosty kindle]

i remember making a suggestion about making the mechworm fire lasers from its segments similar to DoG instead of having to rely on its AI

[glossy bough]

[tropic yoke]

AURIC BLOCKS

[hollow shell]

Those'd be nice

[tropic yoke]

I made some

[hollow shell]

There's a lot of auric ore and not a lot of

oo

[tropic yoke]

I got bored.

[quiet abyss]

👀

[frosty kindle]

now THAT's a good display for your armor.

[radiant pawn]

go and post them on the art server

but

THAT

[glossy bough]

are those orange torches... ?

[radiant pawn]

is a great auric blocc

[tropic yoke]

I got 10 of every armor set in my last run of calamity. Don't do it.

They are orange torches.

[frosty kindle]

10 of EVERY armor set in the game? that's some mad grinding

[glossy bough]

[radiant pawn]

did you grind for the armors?

[tropic yoke]

That's why Armageddon exists.

:D

[radiant pawn]

now that's what i call dedication

[tropic yoke]

I had to get 20 lead cores.

[frosty kindle]

[tropic yoke]

All those irradiated slimes

[radiant pawn]

oh

[proven tide]

\[T]/

[radiant pawn]

a positively normal jojo reference

[glossy bough]

[frosty kindle]

Zerg potion is

but i mean you could also enable defiled for extra drop %

[tropic yoke]

I did

[frosty kindle]

defiled, zerg, armageddon

all the perfect addons for grinding drops!

[radiant pawn]

make the stardust guardian punch enemies at 300mph

[glossy bough]

dad

[tropic yoke]

Zerg, reduced grinding's war potion, and defiled rune. I never got above 10fps with everything on screen.

[radiant pawn]

[glossy bough]

make SG punch with a knocker

[frosty kindle]

mad grinding even with ~10 FPS whilst doing so? you're a MAD LAD

and thats in a good way.

[tropic yoke]

Wait... I thought defiled rune didn't affect lead cores.

[frosty kindle]

!wiki lead core

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Lead_Core

Calamity Mod Wiki

Lead Core

The Lead Core is a post-Moon Lord accessory that provides immunity to the Irradiated debuff, and is used to make the Silva Armor. It is dropped by Irradiated Slimes with a 5% chance.

[frosty kindle]

ah, seems defiled doesnt affect it, true

[hollow shell]

Yeah, Defiled Rune raises stuff to 5%

so

its at the threshold

[glossy bough]

ooh DR seems good

[tropic yoke]

lead core is 5%

[hollow shell]

mhm

[glossy bough]

*Defiled rune

I've never really used it

[tropic yoke]

whatever
All of those slimes

Fun fact: Supreme calamitas, when fought with immense damage reduction, is easier to fight in revengeance mode than death mode due to there being less of a chance to take less than 100 health.

And dying instantly.

[frosty kindle]

you repeated deathmode twice

[glossy bough]

20 lead cores / 1/20 drop chance = ~400 slimes

[tropic yoke]

I'm gonna sprite furniture and then post the stuff in #suggestions-voting

[frosty kindle]

👍 that seems cool!

good luck!

[tropic yoke]

oh lol I said death mode twice

lmao

[glossy bough]

hold up drones

[tropic yoke]

O.O

[glossy bough]

read that again, but slowly

[tropic yoke]

I know lul

I got levi! UwU

[glossy bough]

"...easier to fight in death mode than death mode..."

[tropic yoke]

Yeah, I saw it

There

It's gone

[glossy bough]

okay lul

[tropic yoke]

"Fun fact: Supreme calamitas, when fought with immense damage reduction, is easier to fight in death mode than revengeancemode due to there being less of a chance to take less than 100 health.
And dying instantly."

There

[hollow shell]

What

[glossy bough]

I saw the edit anyway

[quiet abyss]

What

[cyan lagoon]

[glossy bough]

isaac is my baby, don't touch him

oh crapo if isaac is my baby that means I either tried to kill him or just left him

[tropic yoke]

Wtf is with the ponies here?

I don't care if I just broke some satanic seal by saying that. I wanna know.

[hollow shell]

Let me tell you about a little thing called: "Bronies"

[glossy bough]

hecc

[hollow shell]

Except nah just look that up yourself it's a long answer

[frosty kindle]

i don't judge someone just because they are in a certain group, but rather one by their actions.

[glossy bough]

^

all people in the flat earth discord

trust me lel

[fervent zealot]

and also as a joke about the "calamity bells" instrument that dokuro uses a fair bit

[lucid marsh]

Yes

[hollow shell]

@near crown eh

The intention shouldn't be for it to be fluff

[near crown]

Oof

I meant fluff in the fanfic sense

Where its just slice of life stuff

[hollow shell]

Haven't heard of that term before

[glossy bough]

make a sprite for it, fanficcer

[vital grotto]

what to heck

[lost agate]

Thats, a lot of tps

[glossy bough]

I have like 5 of these in my notes app

[hollow shell]

What

How do you
have something that teleports you on-click and also have it be a continuously swung weapon?

[vital grotto]

^

either way

[lost agate]

Seems like a recipe for chaos

[vital grotto]

that sounds like an even bigger pain than arkhalis

[ashen warren]

Sounds like Burden Breaker 2.0

[vital grotto]

and the fact it's always at 20 "feet"

[lost agate]

Except worse

[vital grotto]

and you cant control the distance

[glossy bough]

read the mechanics milkyway

[vital grotto]

is weird

[hollow shell]

What purpose would this serve?

[lost agate]

Also, accesible on early hm, oh boy

[glossy bough]

serves to easily switch between a weapon and RoD

[lost agate]

How so

[glossy bough]

you can just right-click for a weapon and left-click to teleport

plus it would be real fun to use

[hollow shell]

Why not just have the weapon on left-click and the teleport on right-click
and not have the weapon be swinging and teleporting you over and over on one button

[glossy bough]

so you're saying, uh, you're not allowed to actually deal KB to the enemies you're about to teleport into if applicable

but switching the clicks would be a bit more sensible lel

[hollow shell]

Yeah

What was that about knockback?

[glossy bough]

obviously, the weapon has knockback?

[hollow shell]

Yeah but why does that matter for the teleporting function?

Or rather

how was that relevant to what I said?

[glossy bough]

and sense you can't control the teleport distance, you may be TPing into enemies

[hollow shell]

Indeed.

[radiant pawn]

the teleportation should be where the cursor is

like

[glossy bough]

so a swing during the teleport would apply KB to enemies directly around you

[radiant pawn]

also i really dont want to left click and be teleported into an enemy's face

[hollow shell]

Like, as an additional function or are you just talking about the weapon's normal knockback?

Because the weapon only swings in front of you

You'd also have to be invincible for the brief period while you're in contact with the enemy before it gets flung away...

[glossy bough]

good point

[vital grotto]

that is quite a thicc pill

[glossy bough]

wahaha

[hollow shell]

Sprite isn't needed

[vital grotto]

either way

[glossy bough]

it's fun to make them anyway

[hollow shell]

Can't be usable in-game and doesn't add anything that can't already be discerned from the name

[vital grotto]

all debuffs from vanilla alone?

you'd be stoned, webbed, and frozen

that alone makes it useless

[hollow shell]

Also Potion of Omniscience exists

[glossy bough]

read the entire thing you buffoon

[vital grotto]

on top of that calamity debuffs are wack

[hollow shell]

Yeah it just basically instakills you once and gives you permanent buffs

[glossy bough]

yes

which makes the game more enjoyable

[fervent zealot]

uh,,, dude

no

[hollow shell]

Which aren't needed because 1. Potion of Omniscience, and 2. Many accessories and armors and such already grant those buffs

[glossy bough]

alright whatever

I'll remove it if you'd like

[hollow shell]

You don't need to

I'm just sayin that it is
not a balanced thing

[glossy bough]

you seem to be saying that it's obsolete, not imbalanced

[hollow shell]

Yeah true

More accurate to say that

[glossy bough]

you may be in a state of cognitive dissonance

[quiet abyss]

"Grants all Vanilla and Calamity debuffs for 10 seconds
Permanently grants Spelunker, Hunter, Dangersense, and Night Owl"
You have researched all the calamity debuffs right?
Godslayer inferno, vulnerability hex and all that?

[hollow shell]

Nah nah, I was incorrect saying it's imbalanced

[glossy bough]

Pony read the whole thing

[hollow shell]

And yes it would instakill you
He's implying that "Permanent" goes for the rest of the game, even through deaths

[glossy bough]

it's meant to be like a Red's Potion type thang

and yes, the rest of the game

[quiet abyss]

Hmm...

[glossy bough]

but, uh, yeah I would like this because I wouldn't like to go mining in my astral armor

*late-game

[hollow shell]

I don't wanna repeat myself

[lost agate]

Except you dont have to

[quiet abyss]

Living shards for terra blade/edge?
What why

[hollow shell]

Consistency

[quiet abyss]

Mmk then

[formal cobalt]

I was able to easily power through Calamitas and Plantera with the Terra Edge

[neon panther]

why even do all debuffs
might as well just instakill the player, much easier to do tbh
that one flames debuff that does 2k dps will kill you pretty much no matter what anyways

[glossy bough]

I usually skip calamitas

[quiet abyss]

In that case give it to terra shiv too

[formal cobalt]

yeah

[ashen warren]

The terra edge and shiv are all melee has for plant/cala iirc

[lost agate]

Next update ye ig

[fervent zealot]

submarine shocker

[ashen warren]

Since I think tfob is being pushed to post-plant

[formal cobalt]

I didn't have to heal a single time during the fights because it was way too easy

[ashen warren]

"submarine shocker" tell me you're joking

[glossy bough]

[formal cobalt]

Maybe just nerf the Blade, Edge, and Shiv before Plantera or Calamitas are defeated

then buff them again after that

[glossy bough]

Eclipses happen post-plant iirc

[ashen warren]

Terra blade isn't that strong unless calamity has buffed it

[formal cobalt]

Eclipses happen after one mech boss

[ashen warren]

Comparatively speaking

[glossy bough]

wth

[formal cobalt]

and mothrons spawn in them after the 3 mech bosses

[glossy bough]

[quiet abyss]

terra blade base damage did get buffed in calamity

[ashen warren]

It fires a projectile on every second swing though

[formal cobalt]

Also, if I'm able to defeat Calamitas without feeling threatened at all, it's too powerful

imo

[glossy bough]

I skip calamitas imo

[ashen warren]

If you don't want to feel OP then use the pwnagehammer

[radiant pawn]

if you want terra blade nerfed then they might just well nerf brimblade too

like

its op against her

[formal cobalt]

I'm just saying it's extremely easy to get weapons to make the boss extremely easy

and it shouldn't be

[ashen warren]

Well don't use them smh

[glossy bough]

^

[radiant pawn]

^

[formal cobalt]

ok

whatever, fine

[radiant pawn]

what mode are you playing

[formal cobalt]

Rev

[glossy bough]

what if the mechanics are real fun though

[radiant pawn]

[glossy bough]

said nobody ever abt terra blade

[radiant pawn]

i remember that there was a little trick with the terra blade

instead of auto swinging it

[formal cobalt]

Not only that, but it makes melee the objectively better class for that portion of the game

[radiant pawn]

spam click it

[formal cobalt]

just sayin

[radiant pawn]

and you got like a lot of projectiles

[ashen warren]

If feeling op is killing the fun for you then don't use op shit and if you feel like you're too weak or the weapons are boring then idk you do you I guess

[radiant pawn]

terra blade is a good melee weapon

[ashen warren]

Melee is kinda like that, not the best but certainly not the worst

[glossy bough]

use megashark or something

[radiant pawn]

and pre calamitas/pre plantera, melee kinda suffers tbh

[formal cobalt]

I'm not saying to nerf it, I'm just saying to make it harder to get

[glossy bough]

mage is definitely worst imo, but let's not get into politics

[ashen warren]

That's a nerf though

[radiant pawn]

that may count as a nerf

[formal cobalt]

I mean....

ok

[quiet abyss]

Please do remember that not everyone has the same skill level
There has been plenty of people that struggle with calamitas even with terra blade/edge.
You may find her easy using those, but not everyone does.

[glossy bough]

^

[ashen warren]

Nerfing the terra blade to post-ml would make it functionally useless except for the ark line

[radiant pawn]

^

[ashen warren]

oof sorry partridge

[glossy bough]

whet

[formal cobalt]

I just said to post-plantera

[ashen warren]

Sniped your ^

[glossy bough]

it's below on my screen

[radiant pawn]

sequence you sniped my ^

[glossy bough]

I got a real good ^ snipe once

[quiet abyss]

And my point, is that many people struggle with calamitas even with terra blade/edge. Moving them to post-plantera would just make those people suffer more

[glossy bough]

true

[formal cobalt]

true

[glossy bough]

but why do they need to fight calamitas in the first place

[quiet abyss]

There can be many reasons

One that I can think of is for entropy vigil

[glossy bough]

oh sh*t forgot about that weapon

[ashen warren]

I think it's fine how it is, I'm not a nohitter by any stretch however I could be considered to be better than some especially since I play DM exclusively and I always have trouble with plantera

Some people just have bosses they suck at and need what others would consider "OP" to get past them

duke fishron

[glossy bough]

^

(excluding the strikethrough)

[ashen warren]

just remove duke from the game tbh

[quiet abyss]

Nuuu my precious

[formal cobalt]

remove every boss except queen slime

*king

[ashen warren]

Add a boss named queen slime

[formal cobalt]

good enough

[ashen warren]

..kinda old goozma now that i think about it

[radiant pawn]

ozza

that

is

fucking

cool

[hearty yew]

Sorry, this got drafted elsewhere

[radiant pawn]

the idea is really good

[hearty yew]

It was a discussion that I decided should be posted as a suggestion

Because I wanted to see whether people liked it

[radiant pawn]

oh i see

still, its really good

[hollow shell]

I approve very much

Brothers are very insignificant currently

[radiant pawn]

they can have their stats buffed up a bit

because rn you can kill them quite fast

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[hearty yew]

You can see the work that led into it in #cooldude-hq @hollow shell

[radiant pawn]

i dont have any role so idk

[ashen warren]

There's a cooldude channel? damn..

[hearty yew]

Yeah my intent for stats was that catastrophe soaks damage because he's up close. Cataclysm is weaker, but he's got wicked defense

Partially because he's the SOLID METAL brother

[radiant pawn]

Cataclysm should be the tanky one

[hearty yew]

And he's the slow moving wall turret

[ashen warren]

I like making scal harder

[quiet abyss]

Ye, there's cooldude channels

[hollow shell]

Catastrophe is the metal one

[hearty yew]

...which one spews the fire

[quiet abyss]

Cataclysm

[hearty yew]

( this should go to show how forgettable they are )

OK GOOD

So I got the names straight with their behavior

Just not the appearances

[hollow shell]

Catastrophe shoots bouncy balls

Cataclysm spews firelines

[radiant pawn]

maybe cataclysm can stop going on the walls after defeating catastrophe, and starts charging you insanely fast (something like enraged EoC on expert)

but the twist is that the walls have fire on them

[hearty yew]

I was thinking of giving them enrages yesh

[hollow shell]

Naah

[hearty yew]

Or even worse

[ashen warren]

Am I gonna have to rush on my scal nohit to avoid that change for next patch

Enraged EoC is annoying to dodge

[hollow shell]

Too much detail at that point tbh

[hearty yew]

SCal comes back after you kill ONE

So you want to keep them both at low hp

[hollow shell]

The phase will still only last a brief period

[hearty yew]

Hehehehe

[radiant pawn]

so you have to manouver yourself through the arena, but not touching the walls

oh no

[ashen warren]

You gotta move in a straight line and doing that in scal arena is hard

[radiant pawn]

that's a much worse punishment

[hearty yew]

That would be pure fucking evil

sounds like a deathmode ai to me

[ashen warren]

How are you going to keep both on low hp with summoner?

Right-click

[hearty yew]

very good point haha

[radiant pawn]

^

[quiet abyss]

Right click doesn't work on calamity summons iirc
Or atleast not very well

[radiant pawn]

damn my ^ got sniped twice this day

[hearty yew]

Like I said

No enrage was planned

I considered it

[ashen warren]

Right click with godly soul artifact?

[hearty yew]

And I decided it was insane enough as it was

[ashen warren]

[radiant pawn]

scal could throw a wall of brimstone shots at you

with a wide space between each shot

so you can pass easily

[ashen warren]

I like it having a kill both at the same time mechanic

Soo.. DoG laser wall but scal?

[radiant pawn]

like 15 blocks wide of space i guess

[hearty yew]

Well you don't need to

You wouldn't have to

But the other brother would live until you killed him

[ashen warren]

That change wouldn’t be in next patch.. right? I only just got past the brothers in my rodless nohit attempts

[hearty yew]

So you'd be possibly dealing with SCal + a wall turret

Or SCal + a face hugging fireball spitter

[radiant pawn]

isnt scal already that

[quiet abyss]

We could always just leave it as no enrage
To encourage focusing one brother down first
Or, if possible, make it so that after focusing one brother for a long time it starts gaining a lot of DR over time and start to take massively reduced damage until you switch target for a while
To make players switch between hitting the two

[radiant pawn]

[hearty yew]

She doesn't constantly try to eat you

I assumed this was like enraged plantera

sort of EAT FACE

[radiant pawn]

plant vore

[ashen warren]

Pinkie that would still fuck over summoners tho

[quiet abyss]

Make them untargetable for a few seconds or so after getting hit for a while then
Should be enough time for summons to switch target

[radiant pawn]

i always had an insane idea for scal

that she goes to the center of the arena

and starts shooting a death ray

[quiet abyss]

That rotates?

[radiant pawn]

while rotating 9 times slowly

e

ye

[hearty yew]

Have you fought providence

[radiant pawn]

yes

[hearty yew]

Do that sometime

[tulip fulcrum]

quaking about the new scal mechanics

[radiant pawn]

i did even with the new update

i still like provi

[hearty yew]

It's pretty metal

I also considered the enrage vehavior of "if you kill catastrophe first, cataclysm gets off the wall and alternates charges with flamethrower"

[civic rampart]

Then we can cheese it by having a square of blocks

[hearty yew]

and likewise "if you kill cataclysm first, all 4 corners of the arena constantly spew bouncing fireballs"

[radiant pawn]

it phases through blocks that arent the arena blocks

[quiet abyss]

Putting a square of blocks in the middle of the scal arena?
To make dodging the already hard boss even harder?

[civic rampart]

Oh

[radiant pawn]

also what pinkie said

oh wait

ice rod exists

[civic rampart]

Nah I rarely go to the centre of arena

[hearty yew]

ice rod + Moon Lord = sad boy

[civic rampart]

In scal fight

[radiant pawn]

oh shit

now i got a new strategy for ml

ice rod

oh wait im a thrower

[ashen warren]

just think of it like throwing ice

[civic rampart]

Yea mage for the win (although only played it once)

[ashen warren]

I think the suggestion should be changed to "She returns to the battle after one is slain"

But that's just me

[hearty yew]

Yes I would also prefer that

But I'm gonna leave it as it is

[quiet abyss]

Ye it's already fine rn

[hearty yew]

Fuck it

[radiant pawn]

i saw that (but wider)

[hearty yew]

I'll add it as something to chew on

[radiant pawn]

shit that will be painful

[ashen warren]

Yes!

[hearty yew]

Because rev scal should be the absolute pinnacle of difficulty and thought

[ashen warren]

Can I star twice somehow?

[hearty yew]

Not really

I think that the exact details of the rework aren't important

People will star anyway and that's ok

[radiant pawn]

give mod to sequence, let him add a heart (to make a 2nd star) and then pull the mod out of him

done

[hearty yew]

I realized the flamethrower wouldn't control enough space on smaller arenas

So I said it should be wider

[radiant pawn]

cataclysm could leave a trail of brimstone flames

[ashen warren]

Yeesh no I would rather be a cooldude then a mod thanks

[radiant pawn]

so you dont instantly go to the walls

apart from the giga blast

[ashen warren]

Even if it's for a few seconds

[hearty yew]

fuck that's another good idea

While cataclysm is alive all 4 walls are on fire

Constantly

[radiant pawn]

oof yea

[hearty yew]

Hope your good with grapple

[radiant pawn]

quite good

[ashen warren]

[radiant pawn]

[ashen warren]

Maybe make that a DM thing

[hearty yew]

That might be better served for a different part of the fight though.

There's enough shit going on here ESPECIALLY if SCal can come back after only one is dead

[ashen warren]

Maybe during a bullet hell?

[radiant pawn]

thats worse because you need the walls

[hearty yew]

E.g. at the very end after 2nd brimstone hearts phase, she lights the whole arena on fire

[ashen warren]

Platforms exist technically

[hearty yew]

When there's every single projectile flying everywhere and you only need to take out like 3-5% of her health

[ashen warren]

That works imo

[quiet abyss]

Mhm

[radiant pawn]

that sounds like it would make the fight much more epic and rewarding

[ashen warren]

Adds to the finality

[tulip fulcrum]

Well if the walls gonna be on fire, guess I'll go brimrose then

[hearty yew]

The walls deal full damage

As one of her attacks

[radiant pawn]

they ignore defense and dr?

[hearty yew]

So you have to finish her without landing

I mean, they do whatever scal does lol

The fire goes out when she gives up

[quiet abyss]

Maybe give the players a warning too
Like, after 2nd sepulcher phase the walls will light up for a second or two, then the walls become on fire

[hearty yew]

as you kill 2nd set of hearts, sparks come out of the walls

[ashen warren]

Or a wave of expanding fire from scal

[radiant pawn]

in calamity, you dont touch the walls

[hearty yew]

yeah that too

[radiant pawn]

the walls touch (and damage) y o u

[ashen warren]

I feel sorry for crabbar tbh

[tulip fulcrum]

Same

[hearty yew]

I just like the idea of "you have no choice but to kill scal sometime in the next six seconds or you run out of flight time and the walls cook you alive"

[radiant pawn]

pray for mr true melee

[ashen warren]

Defiled no hitting scal with those changes too sounds hellish

[hearty yew]

it's like the "hold your fucking breath" moment

right at the end

[quiet abyss]

I mean

[radiant pawn]

crabbar would be considered a god after dad mode finishes so

[hearty yew]

grappling the wall also causes the damage

[quiet abyss]

Defiled isn't really meant to be used for bosses like SCal anyway

[ashen warren]

oof

[quiet abyss]

[radiant pawn]

that phase would make you sacrifice the remaining seconds you have of adrenaline before it gets snipe nerfed

[hearty yew]

pretty much

[radiant pawn]

oof

now thats exciting

even if i hate scal, i enjoy fighting her

[ashen warren]

Well if you post it you've got a star from me

Seems legit

[hearty yew]

I'm not posting a second boss change suggestion in a row. I'm not pushing my luck

Because I thought about it and coding "the floor is lava" would be a massive pain

[radiant pawn]

what if cataclysm shoots at you a giga blasts everytime he goes around the arena 5 times

or 10 depending the speed he pursues it

[hearty yew]

Well... He does 1 for every corner

So it's 4 times per circle

If you're trying to circle strat him

[radiant pawn]

i cant manouver the circle strat so

fuck

[tulip fulcrum]

You guys mentioned "kill calamitas right away at the end before you die" Thing?

[hearty yew]

And they're high velocity slightly homing giga blasts that will happily slam into the wall right next to you and fill your face with abyssal souls

Yes, with the walls on fire and whatever

[radiant pawn]

wait

the giga blasts are the big ones right?

[hearty yew]

yes the really really big ones

😄

[ashen warren]

That explode

[tulip fulcrum]

Yeah, i don't know if that'll happen

[radiant pawn]

oh fuck i thought they were the smol ones

[hearty yew]

into full rings of shit

[ashen warren]

toolate

[hearty yew]

@tulip fulcrum you're absolutely right. like I said, it would be a pain to program.

[quiet abyss]

Eh? The gigablasts are the small ones
The big ones are abyssal fireblasts

[hearty yew]

...are they really

Lol let me fix that

I meant the BIG BOYS

[tulip fulcrum]

Because not only it a pain to code, but the end is mostly like "calamitas gives up, she wants to die"

[radiant pawn]

ONO

[hearty yew]

in the very last second before she starts monologuing

[quiet abyss]

[radiant pawn]

she being like lingering will my boi

[quiet abyss]

Why are the small ones call gigablasts I have no idea either

[hearty yew]

the 4% of health between 2nd hearts and epilogue

[radiant pawn]

he fucking wipes you around the arena even when he about to die

[hearty yew]

that was what I was talking about

Not when she's sitting still and you're doing barrel rolls to dodge the orbs

[radiant pawn]

imagine dodging the crunchy red balls with the overhaul barrel roll

[hearty yew]

Fixed. That was my intent

[tulip fulcrum]

O

[hearty yew]

Fires the one that explodes into like

60 souls

Not the one that explodes into 8

The point is circle strat on him is meant to make you cry

And you should prefer to have him on the side instead of the corner

Which mean his flames reach you more easily

[radiant pawn]

basically this would make scal nule completely the circle strat

making you go for new strategies, as to how to manage the brothers and such

right?

[ashen warren]

You don’t circle strat brothers atm either though

[hearty yew]

Brothers is only one phase

But God help you if you leave either brother alive for more than 2 seconds on rev

Lol

[radiant pawn]

why?

oh wait

they would get their defense/dr buffed

right?

[tulip fulcrum]

O

[hearty yew]

No no

Just that

You're juggling SCal

And a bro

I made that more clear in the suggestion

[ashen warren]

would they have the same hp/stats as they do currently?

Likely not

[hearty yew]

probably more hp

my estimate is like... hmm

[ashen warren]

1mil for cataclysm and 750K for catastrophe or something similar

My estimate

[hearty yew]

600k / 1M / 1.1M / 1.5M for Supreme Catastrophe (33% DR)
500k / 700k / 750k / 1.1M for Supreme Cataclysm (45% DR)

damage wise I'd say they do less than calamitas, they can't compare to her power

but not too much less

[ashen warren]

Since they're her... skeletons?

[hearty yew]

there's 2 at once after all

[radiant pawn]

Looks fair

For all the shit they do

Those are some fair stats

[ashen warren]

They're like cyborg zombies or whatever

oh god 2m total hp

what have i signed up for

[quiet abyss]

Hell

Actually no

It's worse than hell

[ashen warren]

worse than that bc i'm doing it rodless

"Do you enjoy going through hell?"

[quiet abyss]

"If said hell is fun yes I do"

[hearty yew]

I was scaling them according to SCal herself

[marsh gust]

sequence there are masochists here, me included

[fervent zealot]

^

[ashen warren]

Masochism is my middle name tbh

[hearty yew]

Considering how frequently scal is invulnerable it really wouldn't make the fight that much longer

[quiet abyss]

How about reducing SCal's hp a bit to compensate for the brother's increased relevance?
That way the fight should be as long as the current fight rn while still being more interesting.
I mean like, just a bit

[ashen warren]

i think that's pretty fair tbh

But then it's not an even 10mil

[quiet abyss]

Maybe in death fom 10m to 9 m or smth

[hearty yew]

Nay, I'd rather make the fight even more interactive by making scal vulnerable during bullet hell

[quiet abyss]

Oh?

[hearty yew]

she's just darting around the arena between her shots evading you

like, at charging speed

so you're encouraged to take risks... to shoot at her...

[ashen warren]

take risks to shoot
summoner

[hearty yew]

she's probably offscreen for most of it

[ashen warren]

Well then it balances out usui

and summoners playing catchup with scal never really works out

[hearty yew]

do you wade through the bullets to hit her, or do you focus solely on living

[quiet abyss]

So instead of bullet hell being "Completely focus on dodging"
You now have option to focus on attacking her too if you wish?
Sounds interesting

[ashen warren]

You get free damage during the bullet hell phase but the brothers are not summoner intuitive

[hearty yew]

yeah the idea being it compensates as a form of health reduction

[quiet abyss]

Cause then you'll be rewarded for taking risks

[hearty yew]

I also just really don't like bosses being invincible ever

It's boring when it's like "OK NOW YOU SIT HERE WHILE I DO MAGIC TRICKS"

This is why I absolutely hate DoG final form

Fucking snore

Wait for him to stop spamming lasers

Smack his ass

[ashen warren]

DoG final form is just a matter of time

[hearty yew]

Oh wait he's spamming lasers again

No interactivity at all

[ashen warren]

You're gonna win it's just a waiting game

[hearty yew]

Just Dodge after Dodge after Dodge

[quiet abyss]

Though I imagine summoners may gain more than others in this case.
Since summoners don't need to aim at all
So they both get the benefit of not having to focus on attacking and free damage

[ashen warren]

It balances out in rev at least with the whole summons focus on only 1 enemy thing

Unless you do something about it anyway

[hearty yew]

And he's not dangerous at all except when arbitrarily endangering you by spamming laser walls that magically follow you about

I don't like it at all

I liked DoG phase 1 when he fired orbs

That shit was scary and hard

[worthy fiber]

Have him attempt to coil around the player

[ashen warren]

summoners also get cucked in new brothers' phase by not being able to specify the more threatening brother to kill

Rip nohits

[hearty yew]

Because it was EVERYWHERE and it fucked your gravity and made you vulnerable

It made HIM dangerous

[fervent zealot]

oh yeah orbs

why did those get removed again?

[hearty yew]

This is also why I don't like the sentinel stage. Yawn. I already killed those bosses. The whole of DoG's fight is like a watered down wedding rehearsal

[ashen warren]

Ozza what did you think of old DoG where he summoned a second version of himself?

[hearty yew]

That was stupid.

[sleek wadi]

DoG is a snooze fest in general. Run away, do something other than run away for like 2 minutes, then continue running away for longer because fuck you DoG's invincible

[hearty yew]

^

[sleek wadi]

It's Astrum Deus but longer and no minefields to navigate

[radiant pawn]

Ranger would take the crown for attacking and dodging

[fervent zealot]

do i hear another DoG rework in the works?

[radiant pawn]

Like

[hearty yew]

You spend the whole fight either running in a straight line through laser walls, tossing DPS at his face, or fighting bosses you've already fought.

[radiant pawn]

Heavenly Gale spawn tornadoes

[hearty yew]

ranger is blatantly favored in terraria

[radiant pawn]

SCal doesnt survive those

[sleek wadi]

Range is favored in general

[radiant pawn]

Like

[hearty yew]

also letting people smack scal about during bullet hell would fuck up her phases

bleh

Why is a boss built around invincibility

[radiant pawn]

The tornadoes best weapon against her

Have her dr go around 95%

So you dont skip phases

[ashen warren]

then what little damage you do, isn't worth doing

[radiant pawn]

But its some damage at least

DPS makes it better tho

[ashen warren]

which you've easily doubled after a second or two after the bullet hell ends

Remember that ichor exists usui

i'm aware ichor exists

since immat applies it constantly and i see scal glowing with piss everytime i deal with a bh

Use ultra liquidator during the bullet hell phase and the DR ain't such a big issue but it still affects DPS so you don't break the fight

ultra applies it for less time than everglade, no?

Use everglade if you want, the point still stands

guarantee you would be able to break it even with that

only way you'd avoid it is have her stop taking damage shortly before her next phase

"Ichor decreases damage reduction by 25%" so setting her DR to 95% would then make it a 70% if ichored

most classes I can think of can't phase skip with only 30% dps

and if you have deathmode adrenaline?

Tbh adrenaline is made for phase skipping but you have a point

this is phase skipping while she's not even putting up a direct fight, so i don't count it

Make it that she instakills you if you skip a phase that way

Sarcasm of course

I like the idea of making the brothers phase important and more unique but imo this is a little too much to handle at once

Doesn't seem too high-intensity due to scal not attacking anymore

Just be careful where you take cataclysm and burn him down asap

Catastrophe seems relatively simple to dodge

It's like 4 scal attacks at the same time

This would make it easily the most high intensity part of the fight

[tired haven]

From what I read it's 2-4 sepulchres

Which has to be most part

[ashen warren]

and one of the brothers sliding along the walls with a flamethrower

I can see one brother charging while another does the flamethrower wall slide working or maybe having them attack one at a time but all these combined is too much I'm, especially in small scale arenas

[glad thunder]

If you need a speed nerf for skeletron with full speed equipment, you are seriously fucking sad and need to go back to normal mode

Literally all you need should have is counter scarf, Hermes boots+, and cloud in a bottle or red balloon.

[heady comet]

[glad thunder]

Skeletron prime is the only one I agree with because he sometimes goes so fast he despawns for me due to glitching

I run the opposite direction he flies at me from, and then he flies back towards me and keeps going. Then he ends up flying too far and despawning.

[worthy fiber]

@jaunty pagoda Don't really understand what you mean

[jaunty pagoda]

bruh

[worthy fiber]

What Do You Mean

[frail mantle]

Elaborate ™

[jaunty pagoda]

like dungeon chests they can be locked but can't be locked again once you open them

[ashen warren]

what's the use of those tho?

[worthy fiber]

So you're suggesting that chests should be lockable?

[jaunty pagoda]

yes

[worthy fiber]

Don't think that would fit in Calamity

[jaunty pagoda]

xd

[ashen warren]

Doesn't some mod already have that feature

[worthy fiber]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jaunty pagoda]

wait rly

[frail mantle]

-piggy bank

[ashen warren]

Oh I can't send pics here

oh I can

[jaunty pagoda]

k i understand

[ashen warren]

it isn't placeable tho

[worthy fiber]

Isn't that a vanilla thing up there

From fishing in the Dungeon

[ashen warren]

Huh, I don't really know never seen it

[winter tangle]

It is

[quiet abyss]

@glossy bough

Excuse me

[cyan lagoon]

Adobe acrobat doc :C

[glossy bough]

[cyan lagoon]

also its prepare to cry mode2

[glossy bough]

It's, uhm, a castle crashers reference

[unique vector]

firstly, i see zero reason to have rippling void

[glossy bough]

read rippling void

[unique vector]

second, you have to kill an insane calamitas to leave the mode?

[glossy bough]

Not Scal

[unique vector]

so basically you are stuck in the mode if you were too curious until you defeat already one of the toughest HM bosses?

[glossy bough]

yes

[unique vector]

thats really, REALLY terrible game design

[glossy bough]

It tells you what valor does though

[unique vector]

still, if you are going to have a removeable feature

make it accessible anytime or just don't have it

[glossy bough]

okay

[unique vector]

bc its pointless to lock it behind a boss

and imo you should have it accessible anytime considering the uh... difficulty it has

it is true

[glossy bough]

ok

[unique vector]

imagine deathmode being locked behind calamitas

[quiet abyss]

I have...a few things to say.
First, this "insane mode" literally does nothing but make enemies x10 tankier and deal x10 more damage (aka pretty much all post-ml bosses will instant kill you), with yharon for some reason being x20 tankier instead of x10 than the rest
And disabling the mode requires killing a hardmode boss
But the mode can be activated at the earliest at...post-yharon
Even if clone gets buffed post-providence, that is one heck of a questionable place to put the disabler

[unique vector]

ok now i read this

[glossy bough]

should I put it behind EoC

[unique vector]

what's the point of the valor and pill item

if u have this in the first place

[glossy bough]

pill is sorta like an "initiation" if you're following

[unique vector]

mhm

[teal shoal]

great idea

[unique vector]

you might as well have this drop in replacement of the pill if you are going to lock it behind a boss

[glossy bough]

okay

I won't lock it behind a boss then

[unique vector]

mm

the mode still needs a lot of rework and new thought to it

[glossy bough]

Now it'll be behind Terminus

[quiet abyss]

The main point of #suggestions-voting is for people to suggest ideas for the mod.
And said ideas should have reasons to be in the mod.
They can't just be "because why not" reasons, there has to be atleast some decent reasons behind it.
And what I want to ask is:
What's your reasons for adding this "insane mode" into the mod?

[unique vector]

god dammit

[glossy bough]

[unique vector]

pinkie is saying the truth

[teal shoal]

Adding a masochistic challenge

[quiet abyss]

Which is completely unnecessary