ah okay, good to know
#suggestions-discussion
ashen warren
hollow shell
It does sound cool and good but, if skills are coming in 1.4.1, you should probably wait until 1.4.1 releases before suggesting that
tulip parcel
yeaaah true... I'll wait
hollow shell
Hold onto it though because I'd level the fuck out of that if it were implemented
tulip parcel
oh hell yeah
I'll keep it in my back pocket
hmm...
okay I think I'm gonna start on my "bottle in a cloud" series of accessories
is it spamming the channel if I post each individual item here for review first?
to preface there's only a "bottle in a cloud" - there's no "bottle in a blizzard" or anything
but the accessories are based on putting shit in the bottle in the cloud
hollow shell
How many items total, do you think?
tulip parcel
uhhh... I think... sssix?
I see it as the bottle in the cloud as a base item, two upgrades using a heart crystal and stars respectively, then two hardmode upgrades, then one post-cultist upgrade that combines the two
ashen warren
That would be 5..
tulip parcel
no see
the bottle in the cloud - the two accessories - the two accessories upgraded - the final accessory
1 + 2 + 2 + 1
6
ashen warren
yea i'm just an idjit
tulip parcel
@glossy bough
you posted a sprite with it so I'm gonna be nice
but you need to elaborate on the item
tulip parcel
ah okay he's editing it
proven tide
^
glossy bough
sorry I accidentallyhit enter instead of shift+enter
I edited it and added the minion
ashen warren
Cool, summons can't crit though 
hollow shell
s'just there for tooltip completion's sake, I guess
glossy bough
should I put 0% 
ashen warren
Crit chance isn't listed on summon weapons?
hollow shell
Oh, never noticed
glossy bough
removed crit
ashen warren
Well, it makes some sense, since lightning birbs could relate to the lightning aura sentry.
Mana and knockback but not crit
glossy bough
Do I have to put 10 mana
ashen warren
Also writing out the behavior would be nice imo
ashen warren
Put whatever you want
ashen warren
Isn't that because it's magic?
hollow shell
If it is I'm gonna freak
glossy bough
sun spirit is sommon I think
ashen warren
And it's being changed this update iirc
glossy bough
ok
ashen warren
"106 - Fixed almost all incorrect weapon projectile damage types to be the correct damage type (the Colored Damage Types mod will still show the incorrect color though, it has been tested). - Done"
glossy bough
Is it listed as summon or magic?
ashen warren
It's listed as summon
glossy bough
that's wack
hollow shell
It appears to deal summon damage
but
I don't know if it actually deals summon damage or if it is just boosted by summon damage boosts
I don't even know if lack of crits is intrinsic to summon damage...
glossy bough
sorry for the bad spriting, but I felt that BB is a very summoning-centered boss
ashen warren
The only summon weapon that crits that I know is intended behavior is the lightning aura sentry
Your sprites are better than most newbies, don't sweat it
glossy bough
ok
ashen warren
book's a bit thicc though
glossy bough
intended to be thicc fam
hollow shell
Book's got banding on it, but it's also got anti-aliasing which I'm impressed by
brazen wedge
the bumblebirb looks a bit deformed...
hollow shell
Birb is mostly banded though
glossy bough
I resized the water bolt sprite to make the book
ashen warren
The book is larger than the player
glossy bough
approx 2x length and width
past cape
I. M. Meen book
glossy bough
tbh the book could've gone way worse 
radiant meadow
it gives a nice concept for spriters who are better at it should it get implemented
tulip parcel
okay I'm back
time to start
Bottle in a Cloud
It's not the fall that kills you
Pre-Hardmode Accessory
Bottle + 80 Clouds + 10 Sunplate Blocks + Lucky Horseshoe @ Solidifier
A billowing, soft, white cloud with a bottle in the center.
Grants the player gliding, as if they were wearing wings with no flight time. Additionally makes the player immune to falling damage.
So this is the "base" for everything
basically just a fairly useful phm accessory
ashen warren
A better umbrella?
Sounds nice
tulip parcel
now for the upgrades
earnest raptor
Russian Reversal
Hermes with Boots
Pet item
Summons flying traveling angel for pickup your items.
tulip parcel
Acid Rain/Blood Rain
Portable Evil
Pre-Hardmode World Evil Accessories
Bottle in a Cloud + Corrupt Flask + 8 Demonite Bars + Life Crystal @ Demon Altar = Acid Rain
Bottle in a Cloud + Crimson Flask + 8 Crimtane Bars + Life Crystal @ Crimson Altar = Blood Rain
A corruption and crimson variation on the same "evil cloud" idea. Both accessories retain the benefits of the Bottle in a Cloud, but also grant +5% DR, +3 Defense and +20 max life, no matter what biome the player is currently standing in. There is no mechanical difference between the clouds, merely an aesthetic difference.
I feel like I should include true shadow scales and blood samples so you can't get this pre-EoW/BoC
pocket piggy
someone star that so I can star it right fuckin now
having to summon the pig every time is annoying
hollow shell
That sounds so god damn useful
earnest raptor
What's about flying Safe? 
tulip parcel
naah, pocket piggy is enough
hollow shell
Make it a light pet
Both at once
tulip parcel
I think
though you should be able to combine it with the pixie
to make a pocket pigxie
a lightpet and storage unit all at once
hollow shell
oo
tulip parcel
...bobylev if you don't write that up I'm gonna
pocket pigxie is too good of a pun
sors what do you think of acid/blood rain
meh, close enough
hollow shell
ew
Greasy Orb
hollow shell
You forgot to mention that it's a Light Pet
tulip parcel
a light pet and storage unit
hollow shell
yeh
As for Acid Rain and Blood Rain
Damn that's a lot of defense and DR for what they are
I'd say don't increase the stat boosts at all from the flasks, if anything you could reduce them considering it has those other functions
tulip parcel
yeaah that's true
how about maybe like...
5% and 3 def?
down from the flask's 7%/3def
hollow shell
Yeah sure
tulip parcel
alright, I'll change that and write up the mana alternative in a sec
sleek wigeon
Having an objectively better pet is ech
Means you have to decide between aesthetics and functionality in a slot that should just be aesthetics. Even if the functionality is very slight, its still ech on principle
tulip parcel
Arcane Mist
Breathe deep
Post-Hive/Perf Accessory
Bottle in a Cloud + 12 Aerialite Bars + 20 Fallen Stars + 5 Mana Potions @ Sky Loom
A blue, sparkling cloud, almost transluscent. The bottle is now nowhere to be seen.
Retains bottle in a cloud benefits.
Grants the player +20 max mana, +5% magic damage, mana regeneration. Additionally, health potions the player drinks restore 20% of their healing value as mana, with no mana sickness.
hollow shell
No Bottle in a Cloud effect?
hollow shell
Alright
That's quite a powerful accessory for that point in the game, mefeels
You could honestly just keep it at +20 Max Mana and the healing potion thing, and that's it
sleek wigeon
Honestly, ditch the cloud in a bottle effect. have it just be a flavor item in its recipe
ashen warren
I'd make the 20% a 5-10% if you want to keep it
brazen wedge
or make it less powerful
tulip parcel
okay no + magic damage
hollow shell
Nah you don't drink health potions often enough for that to be worth it, Sequence
tulip parcel
mrh
also the idea was to ditch the bottle in a cloud portion in hardmode
because at that point the player has wings 100%
the hardmode upgrades, I mean
sleek wigeon
That just makes it more weird
Also since you're essentially taking the cloud out of the bottle, it makes sense you wouldnt be able to use it double jump anymore
tulip parcel
no the
there's no cloud in a bottle component
bottle in a cloud is a seperate accessory
ijones
tulip parcel
...but that ruins the joke
ashen warren
Think of it that you're holding onto the bottle when it's in the cloud and it acts as a weirdo parachute
tulip parcel
I should add a visual effect as part of the description
hollow shell
@lost spruce Boss addition suggestions aren't allowed
tulip parcel
like when the player is using it, they have a string attached to the cloud like a big fluffy balloon
ashen warren
The abyss is too small for a boss anyway smh
lost spruce
oh ok sry
hollow shell
It's alright
ashen warren
hollow shell
We've got the minibosses which are tough enough
tulip parcel
I... ijones you just came in
the idea was that this is a series of accessories based on bottle in a cloud
like that's the gist
both of the upgrades involve putting things in the bottle
and then the hardmode upgrades are going to change the clouds themselves
and then the final amalgamation is gonna be like this health and mana deal
sleek wigeon
feels like a really anemic upgrade tree, looking back.
ashen warren
"Anemia is a decrease in the total amount of red blood cells or hemoglobin in the blood, or a lowered ability of the blood to carry oxygen."
So, weak?
sleek wigeon
Yeah, weak. The very minor passive upgrades make it feel like less unique and less interesting. I'd say make the unique effects stronger for each of the upgrades but remove the small passive effects all together.
lucid marsh
Anemia is basically being weak and slightly suffocating. I had it once
tulip parcel
well if that's the case I would make the arcane mist grant like
40 mana and 30% of healing potion
maybe even 40%
lucid marsh
It should be like -1 life regen and -10% speed and damage reduction
sleek wigeon
30% of a healing potion doesnt seem all that good. thats like what? 30 mana every minute?
ashen warren
more like 40-50
lucid marsh
Also maybe - melee speed too
brazen wedge
at LEAST 50
sleek wigeon
at least 50 for sure
tulip parcel
okay let's math this out really quick
a player who has done everything they can do at this point of the game could reasonably have...
ashen warren
Greater healing potions
sleek wigeon
200 mana is about the minimum, right?
ashen warren
using statigel for mage
sleek wigeon
You wouldnt be using bottle in a cloud with aerospec
tulip parcel
220 if you're using aerospec
sleek wigeon
Since wings set bonus
tulip parcel
okay so if the player drinks a healing potion
they would restore 50 mana at that point the game if it's at 50%
and the highest they could ever restore is 150 with the omega healing potions
brazen wedge
make it give more mana as the game progresses
tulip parcel
yeah this is only going to scale via item upgrade if at all
brazen wedge
sort of like how the heart of the elements does more damge
sleek wigeon
No
tulip parcel
heart of elements is also an exo-item
sleek wigeon
What?
tulip parcel
requiring ~10 very rare items
ashen warren
elemental*
tulip parcel
elemental?
sleek wigeon
Hote is not an exo item by any definition
tulip parcel
you get the idea
sleek wigeon
Exo is descriptive of the tier and aesthetic, not the way you make the items
unique vector
apoth is exo change my mind
sleek wigeon
Apoth is apoth tier
ashen warren
HOTE is a superaccessory is what I think you were getting at
tulip parcel
yes
sorry, I word things weirdly sometimes
what I'm saying is
HotE scales because it's a super accessory
this is a pre-hardmode accessory
brazen wedge
oh, ok
tulip parcel
uhhh... with that in mind ijones
I get what you're saying
I'll drop the "bottle in a cloud" bonus retention on the mana cloud but keep it on the acid/blood rain since that's still pre-skyline
fervent zealot
no thanks
sleek wigeon
I mean the ability the glide and stuff is a cool ability. Maybe not super useful sincce aerospec
fervent zealot
no abyss bosses
sleek wigeon
Granted
Its hard to compete with aerospec with anything
Since fall damage reduction and wings without costing an accessory is huge
brazen wedge
no
unique vector
no
tulip parcel
I thought it was just immunity to falling damage
unique vector
just fall dmg is removed
sleek wigeon
My memory isnt the best anyhow
ashen warren
"All helmets also provide the set bonus of faster falling speed and immunity to fall damage. Additionally, taking over 25 damage in a single hit will cause homing feathers to fall from the sky, dealing 20 damage on contact. The feathers explode after a short time, damaging nearby enemies. "
tulip parcel
I... well I'll take your advice on the "unique effects"
brazen wedge
Are you talking about the pre hm wings?
ashen warren
Chavs: no
sleek wigeon
Dont quote the wiki at me nerd.
tulip parcel
"The Calamity Mod adds 15 new Armor Sets. 4 sets can be obtained Pre-Hardmode, 4 sets in Hardmode, and 7 sets post-Moon Lord. Most armor sets have 5 different helmets for each main class, and the rest of the armor sets grant bonuses for all classes."
ashen warren
You're the yellow name
brazen wedge
i didnt mean the wiki quote
tulip parcel
okay sso...
let's say the arcane mist gives 40 mana and 50% health pot-to-mana conversion
so a healing potion would grant 100 health and 50 mana with arcane mist equipped
unique vector
wait so can you give a general gist of what you're referring to?
sleek wigeon
50 mana every 60 seconds
ashen warren
Pixl scroll up
tulip parcel
50 mana every 60 seconds isn't great
ashen warren
Mana regen pot still outclasses by leagues
sleek wigeon
well its not an alt to mana regen pot
ashen warren
Perhaps it could permanantly give you mana regen
sleek wigeon
If anything its something in addition to
sleek wigeon
since no mana sickness
ashen warren
As in the potion effect
tulip parcel
yeah
ashen warren
"no mana sickness" that's a little better
tulip parcel
Arcane Mist
Breathe deep
Post-Hive/Perf Accessory
Bottle in a Cloud + 12 Aerialite Bars + 20 Fallen Stars + 5 Mana Potions @ Sky Loom
A blue, sparkling cloud, almost transluscent. The bottle is now nowhere to be seen.
Retains bottle in a cloud benefits.
Grants the player +20 max mana, +5% magic damage, mana regeneration. Additionally, health potions the player drinks restore 20% of their healing value as mana, with no mana sickness.
this was the original
god damn why is the chat movin so quick
aagh
ashen warren
All you said was mana regeneration
Not mana regeneration potion effect or something like that
unique vector
too OP imo
sleek wigeon
I thought that was +5% mana regen
tulip parcel
no I uh
sleek wigeon
ngl
unique vector
tbh, remove mana regen
sleek wigeon
Tbf
unique vector
also whats the potions in the crafting
sleek wigeon
Mana regen effect is really strong
ashen warren
Mana potions as in +100 mana
unique vector
oh those lol
ok
yeah it wouldnt make sense why regen is there
i would understand if the accessory is a little later game
around early hm maybe?
tulip parcel
tbh this is my most contended item so far
sleek wigeon
With how easy mana regen pots are to craft
ashen warren
Like I said, 7 minute long potion and a REALLY easy potion
sleek wigeon
Its really not a big deal if it does or not
tulip parcel
ashen warren
Not op
I almost always have mana regen active from the moment I can set up a decent farm
sleek wigeon
Not to mention blood orbs
ashen warren
Yea, not even mentioning those
unique vector
Arcane Mist
Breathe deep
Post-Hive/Perf Accessory
Bottle in a Cloud + 10 Aerialite Bars + 20 Fallen Stars + 7 Mana Potions + Mana Flower @ Sky Loom
A blue, sparkling cloud, almost transluscent. The bottle is now nowhere to be seen.
Retains bottle in a cloud benefits.
Grants the player +15 max mana, +5% magic damage, -6% mana usage, auto-consume mana potions when needed. Additionally, health potions the player drinks restore 20% of their healing value as mana, with no mana sickness.
tulip parcel
I think I just got an idea
unique vector
this is what i would do
ashen warren
But that's weak though?
ashen warren
It's outclassed by the mana flower because mana flower has -mana usage
tulip parcel
...although
hango n
lemme rework arcane mist and see what you guys think
aight?
sleek wigeon
Sure
tulip parcel
Arcane Mist
Breathe deep
Post-Hive/Perf Accessory
Bottle in a Cloud + 10 Aerialite Bars + 20 Fallen Stars + 7 Mana Potions + 3 Mana Regeneration Potions + Mana Flower @ Sky Loom
A blue, sparkling cloud, almost transluscent. The bottle is now nowhere to be seen.
Retains bottle in a cloud benefits.
Grants the player +30 max mana, permanent mana regeneration buff (akin to the potion), reduces mana usage by 5%, and causes all health potions the player drinks to restore 50% of their health restoration as mana.
unique vector
i changed from -8% mana usage from flower to -6% bc the mist gives dmg buffs and mana gain ability from healing pots
might need to increase max mana back to 20
sleek wigeon
That looks nice
unique vector
unique vector
does it remove the auto-consume mana pot feature?
ashen warren
Vorbis' is better 
unique vector
in replacement of the health pot ability?
@ashen warren ok you dont need to shove it in my face
i can clearly see that
ashen warren
Chill man, was just a joke
unique vector
it looks fine tbh
and im not in the mood for a joke
"it was just a joke" is a weak argument in the first place
unique vector
anyway
sleek wigeon
Im on board either way with this new version
unique vector
i say keep mana flower
tulip parcel
...yeah I think that's a better idea
unique vector
that would make more sense
sleek wigeon
Natures gift isnt crafted
unique vector
ye
sleek wigeon
Sold by dryad next update
tulip parcel
sweet
unique vector
~~it would make more ppl need to farm for the dumb flower 
~~
sleek wigeon
So its very easy to get hold of
tulip parcel
alright I won't change the recipe
unique vector
dammit
unique vector
it seems fine
ashen warren
It gives more mana without increasing damage
unique vector
mage needs a class specific accessory anyway
hollow shell
Just remove all the extra effects and make it "All health potions are now restoration potions"
unique vector
for pre hm
sleek wigeon
Bundle of balloons is a quadruple jump
ashen warren
It's a sustain accessory and not a burst
unique vector
what? thats bs
sleek wigeon
Cobalt sheild is a requirement
Prehm accessories need strong, unique effects to be used
Since you only really have 1 or 2 slots capable of being switched out
unique vector
ur basically making an accessory that lets you take one mana pot every 45 seconds without mana sickness
hollow shell
I have long been a disliker of an accessory having a ton of tangentially related abilities
Frost Flare is an example of this. Terrible accessory design-wise
I would love for it to have one effect which is great and unique instead of a ton of decent effects
It becomes a lot more memorable and useful that way
unique vector
i like having several different effects
mainly because i'm used to complex mechanics
and i can balance them out fairly easily for myself
sleek wigeon
Agree with source. Maybe remove mana reduction and max health but keep the regen buff?
tulip parcel
max mana* uhhh
sleek wigeon
and buff it to 100% conversion
tulip parcel
yyyyeah, I guess that's reasonable
unique vector
remove max mana
sleek wigeon
health, mana, same difference
unique vector
keep reduced usage
tulip parcel
okay so it's just health pot conversion and permanent regeneration
unique vector
or else u will need to nerf crafting recipe
tulip parcel
nah mate
sleek wigeon
Nah
sleek wigeon
I think he means natures gift
unique vector
^ that
sleek wigeon
Which would be a fine flavor item
tulip parcel
yeah I'm keeping that
sleek wigeon
Since its mana themed
tulip parcel
it just does nothing
unique vector
but you're losing the nature's gift traits
sleek wigeon
And?
tulip parcel
and... what say you to buffing the mana gained from 50% to 75%
since the other effects are being removed
unique vector
what?
ashen warren
Vanilla loses previous accessory traits all the time
unique vector
eh i just find it dumb farming for a specific ability only to lose it for something else
sleek wigeon
You wouldnt be farming for it though
unique vector
besides, it's starting to sound like a defensive accessory now
sleek wigeon
You'd just buy it off the dryad
unique vector
i keep forgetting you can do that next up8 okay
hollow shell
(Fishbunjin reference, Chaotic Reks?)
unique vector
and yeah, defensive accessories don't really appeal to me
ashen warren
almost
unique vector
but go with whichever you feel is best balanced
earnest raptor
Energy Battery
On successful magic attack you replenish 2 mana.
Craft: 20 Purified Gel + 10 Aeralite Bar @ Static Refinery
ashen warren
It's not defensive smh it's a sustain dps accessory
unique vector
spell is a very vague term @earnest raptor
ashen warren
Mana return could be an option
sleek wigeon
Not really
unique vector
you mean weapon cast?
lunar berry
Guys
sleek wigeon
Spell is infact
lunar berry
Look at the latest suggestion
ashen warren
you get a % of your missing mana back every spell cast
unique vector
okay better
lunar berry
Very descriptive
hollow shell
I already pinged him
unique vector
jones i meant like
subtle turret
a boss version of the adult ediolon wyrm would be cool, already feels like a boss fight when you fight it, a non dudgeon guardian version more balanced to were it is placed in boss progression would be cool for that abyss boss suggestion
hollow shell
@lost spruce You should prolly delete your suggestion (just noticed you didnt)
unique vector
it sounds more like something for tomes than mage in general
sleek wigeon
Not really
unique vector
it does
ashen warren
The adult eidolon is already a boss tbh
tulip parcel
christ it's too chaotic
sleek wigeon
A spell would be shorthand for any magic weapon
tulip parcel
look I'll come back later
earnest raptor
Edited.
unique vector
depends
subtle turret
its more of a dungeon guardian esc mob
unique vector
idk im too tired to logic this out rn
sleek wigeon
No, it doesnt depend.
unique vector
all i know is some games label certain magic uses other than spells
and stuff like genisis doesn't sound like "spell" to me
ashen warren
That's a pretty weak argument imo
unique vector
its a technical one, not a weak one
earnest raptor
Energy Battery
On successful magic attack you replenish 2 mana.
Craft: 20 Purified Gel + 8 Aeralite Bar @ Static Refinery
unique vector
and subjective as well
hollow shell
Hm
unique vector
also, i notice you're spiting me by using the same exact response i gave you
thanks bud, appreciate it
earnest raptor
Now a magic attack and not a abstract "spell".
unique vector
2 mana?
isnt it better to just say "reduce mana cost"
bc its the exact same thing
ashen warren
"some games label certain magic uses other than spells" not the genesis thing
unique vector
yes, thats a technical nitpick
and a subjective one as well
does not always mean weak
i see where ijones is coming from, but it doesnt sound right to me
earnest raptor
It's not actual mana cost lowering, it's only works on magic attacking.
ashen warren
"some paintings i've seen were made with toothpicks so i don't think you should call it brushwork" is what played in my head
unique vector
@earnest raptor what would be the difference?
earnest raptor
Energy Battery
On successful magic attack you have chance to replenish 50 mana. This effect have 30 second cooldown.
Craft: 20 Purified Gel + 8 Aeralite Bar @ Static Refinery
unique vector
@ashen warren if you paint with a spraycan is that brushwork
sleek wigeon
Actually its not the same thing at all as mana reduction
earnest raptor
@unique vector if you miss, you doesn't achieve mana
ashen warren
I wasn't saying the genesis thing was bad smh
unique vector
oh now i see lmfao
sleek wigeon
Since its expoentially stronger on weapons with low mana cost
unique vector
im so tired
sleek wigeon
like razorpine
unique vector
yeah i get it now
thats uh
gonna be hard to balance in
but if made right, could work
bc it favors fast magic weapons
ashen warren
How is it hard to balance? it would likely function like modded lifesteal weapons
1 second timer each go
sleek wigeon
Razorpine tbh sounds hella fun
ashen warren
Or something similar
tulip parcel
OKAY I'm back
unique vector
bc ur basically buffing fast mage weapons
tulip parcel
and now I know where I'm headed with these accessories
it's going to be support for magic and melee
tulip parcel
what
unique vector
melee 
sleek wigeon
1 second each go makes it real bad
tulip parcel
just lemme write it out pixl
earnest raptor
Energy Battery
On successful magic attack you have chance to replenish all mana. This effect have 60 second cooldown.
Craft: 20 Purified Gel + 8 Aeralite Bar @ Static Refinery
unique vector
oh no
sleek wigeon
2 mana each second is not an accessory i would use
unique vector
isn't that worse than terraria vanilla mana regen while moving
ashen warren
That's.. interesting
unique vector
in pre-hm
ashen warren
Doesn't seem bad or op tbh
sleek wigeon
energy battery is neat
ashen warren
The new one pixl
sleek wigeon
but at the same time
unique vector
dammit he changed it again
sleek wigeon
At the same time you could slam a couple potions , wait a few seconds, and get the same effect
tulip parcel
Arcane Mist
Breathe deep
Post-Hive/Perf Accessory
Bottle in a Cloud + 10 Aerialite Bars + 20 Fallen Stars + 7 Mana Potions + 3 Mana Regeneration Potions +Nature's Gift @ Sky Loom
A blue, sparkling cloud, almost transluscent. The bottle is now nowhere to be seen.
Retains bottle in a cloud benefits.
Grants the player permanent mana regeneration buff (akin to the potion) and causes all health potions the player uses to restore mana equal to 50% of the health restored.
unique vector
wait so its basically "hit enemy consume mana pot without sickness every 60 seconds"
tulip parcel
should I increase the mana gained? I don't think I do
sleek wigeon
I think you should
tulip parcel
maybe to what like
unique vector
make it 70%
tulip parcel
70%?
unique vector
yes
sleek wigeon
75%, 80%
unique vector
wait a sec
unique vector
this also applies to late game pots too
tulip parcel
yes I know.
unique vector
o shit
ashen warren
Remember, 60 second timer most of the time
unique vector
well it still doesn't help my nohit run so 
sleek wigeon
You'd have better things to spend an accessory slot on late game
unique vector
true
ashen warren
Sigil of calamitas
tulip parcel
okay so. 70%. I'll keep note of that.
Now as for how I adjust the acid/blood rain...
sleek wigeon
Not a clue
tulip parcel
reeeeee
sleek wigeon
i did dummy
ashen warren
actually, having arcane mist craft into the ethereal talisman and giving it the affects of arcane mist would be neato
unique vector
unique vector
oh.
ashen warren
pixl i recommend sleep
tulip parcel
hmm
sleek wigeon
Do big sleep
unique vector
i'd say nerf max life slightly
tulip parcel
okay ssso... I think I'll take that idea and make its effects added to the ethereal tasmin/sigil of calamitas
and
unique vector
remove defense bc noone cares about that
tulip parcel
I'm reworking it completely pixl
unique vector
okay
unique vector
it sounds like it would use some dmg benefits
sleek wigeon
Maybe acid rain does damage to stuff below you
Like a sorta constant nimbus rod effect
unique vector
maybe inflict a 1 second ichor debuff every 5 seconds to a nearby enemy?
ashen warren
Right click to flex
sleek wigeon
Anemic, pxl
unique vector
what
fervent zealot
f l e x
sleek wigeon
its a weak effect thats not very interesting
unique vector
3 second ichor debuff
ashen warren
Maybe it could be a true melee accessory
unique vector
tulip parcel
I...
that's... where I was going...
god I'm getting a headache
I need some tylenol
ashen warren
On hit it summons a cloud that rains projectiles for a few seconds
Cursed flames for the corruption and ichor for the bootleg corruption
ashen warren
"Maybe it could be a true melee accessory"
unique vector
bc enemy hit = possible cloud spam
ashen warren
sleek wigeon
Ichor is a far stronger effect than cursed flames
tulip parcel
not really
fervent zealot
well yes really
fervent zealot
def down = ez cheez
ashen warren
Wasn't cursed buffed?
fervent zealot
cursed does some dr removal, but ichor does defense
tulip parcel
buffed cursed that is
ashen warren
Boiling blood?
unique vector
yeah im too tired to help, sorry
ashen warren
The perf debuff
brazen wedge
bye
ashen warren
100 hours later
sleek wigeon
I still think a cool, interesting effect would be rain below you during the glide effect/all the time
ashen warren
"during the glide effect" is onto something but it needs something to make it more than just a gimmick imo
tulip parcel
My idea was that this would incorporate the three hardmode surface biomes
brazen wedge
biomes
sleek wigeon
astral, hallow and evil?
tulip parcel
Yeah
See originally I was gonna give astral to the arcane mist
And hallow to the rains
brazen wedge
Does anyone like the idea of coffee
ashen warren
Astral is magic themed, hallow is.. ranged cause cheesebow and evil is melee
tulip parcel
Besides mana isn’t a biome
sleek wigeon
We already have lots of booze
ashen warren
The OG trinity
sleek wigeon
we dont need coffee
brazen wedge
YES WE DO
sleek wigeon
I always saw hallow as magic themed
tulip parcel
No we...
ashen warren
hush i was making a not very funny joke
tulip parcel
Coffee
Hardmode Consumable
Sold by merchant after Drunk Princess moves in
Removes Alcohol Sickness
There
Here’s your coffee
Now shoo
ashen warren
"ranged cause cheesebow" and holy arrows tbh
brazen wedge
plus movement speed
tulip parcel
No
Uhhh... hmm. Should the astral/hallow get their own hardmode clouds
And the rain get an upgraded cloud
Then the final product is made like... post-cultist with meld blobs
earnest raptor
Energy Battery
If your mana hits 0, you have 50% chance to replenish all mana without Mana Sickness. This effect have 30 second cooldown, on which you have 50% decreased mana regeneration, was also applies to mana stars.
Craft: 20 Purified Gel + 8 Aeralite Bar @ Static Refinery
ashen warren
Evil + rain then astral + hallow for HM then interstellar cloud at cultist or post ml level
ashen warren
Energy Battery
Upon mana consumption, returns 8% of missing mana.
It just keeps going
sleek wigeon
Since a damage upgrade makes it several times stronger due to defense calculations
So its just
mana reduction
Thats litterally all that is
earnest raptor
Energy Battery
If your mana hits 0, you a replenish all mana without Mana Sickness. This effect have 30 second cooldown, on which you have 50% decreased mana regeneration, was also applies to mana stars.
Craft: 20 Purified Gel + 8 Aeralite Bar @ Static Refinery
ashen warren
RNG accessory, me no like
brazen wedge
also you could just use a low mana weapon as soon as you regen mana to get it to 0
I find flaw
ashen warren
"30 second cooldown"
round falcon
I think it should apply mana sickness, but not nearly for as long as a potion would.
Maybe 5s or so?
brazen wedge
ye but if you dont get the regen
ashen warren
You do realize how not-strong it is right? doggo
earnest raptor
Energy Crystal
If your mana hits 0, you a replenish all mana without Mana Sickness. This effect have 30 second cooldown, on which you have 40% decreased mana regeneration, was also applies to mana stars and Clairvoyance buff.
Craft: Energy Crystal + 10 Cryonic Bar + 10 Hallowed Bar @ Mythril Anvil
round falcon
I wasn't done.
round falcon
Maybe give it a flat 15% increase to magic damage, using it with another sorcerer emblem alongside the Sigil and then shove it into the talisman for instant win
brazen wedge
Doesnt ashen and ancient furniture also craft itself?
round falcon
Yes
earnest raptor
ashen warren
They convert with essence of chaos
brazen wedge
oh
ashen warren
Between broken and unbroken
earnest raptor
and...
Lapotron Energy Crystal
If your mana hits 0, you a replenish all mana without Mana Sickness. This effect have 15 second cooldown, on which you have 20% decreased mana regeneration, was also applies to mana stars and 20% increased all magic stats.
Craft: Energy Crystal + 1000 Endothermic Energy @ Draedon's Forge
earnest raptor
Energy Battery
If your mana hits 0, you a replenish all mana without Mana Sickness. This effect have 30 second cooldown, on which you have 50% decreased mana regeneration, was also applies to mana stars.
Craft: 20 Purified Gel + 8 Aeralite Bar @ Static Refinery
Energy Crystal
If your mana hits 0, you a replenish all mana without Mana Sickness. This effect have 30 second cooldown, on which you have 40% decreased mana regeneration, was also applies to mana stars and Clairvoyance buff.
Craft: Energy Battery + 10 Cryonic Bar + 10 Hallowed Bar @ Mythril Anvil
Lapotron Energy Crystal
If your mana hits 0, you a replenish all mana without Mana Sickness. This effect have 15 second cooldown, on which you have 20% decreased mana regeneration, was also applies to mana stars and 20% increased all magic stats.
Craft: Energy Crystal + 500 Endothermic Energy @ Draedon's Forge
brazen wedge
u need some nightmare fuel in that
sleek wigeon
Nah
round falcon
I'd say reduce the E.E to around Forge-tier levels
sleek wigeon
also 800 is a wee bit too much
brazen wedge
make a nightmare fuel themed item
round falcon
maybe 200?
fervent zealot
"wee bit"
brazen wedge
300
earnest raptor
500, yeah
fervent zealot
hell no, make it 100-150
round falcon
Nightmare fuel themed item? On it.
earnest raptor
Which is powerful
fervent zealot
look at auric energy costs and also eye of extinction costs
sleek wigeon
Bad reason for having it be expensive
fervent zealot
n o b o d y wants to grind that much
old auric and old eye were fucking atrocious grinds.
earnest raptor
Lapotron Energy Crystal
If your mana hits 0, you a replenish all mana without Mana Sickness. This effect have 15 second cooldown, on which you have 20% decreased mana regeneration, was also applies to mana stars and 20% increased all magic stats.
Craft: Energy Crystal + 1 Cosmilite Bar @ Draedon's Forge
brazen wedge
i get like 100-150 ectothermic energy every time
earnest raptor
brazen wedge
From 500 to 1
fervent zealot
just make it something like 15 cosmilite and 100 endo energy and 100 nightmare fuel
that puts it a lot more in line with other stuff around the tier
round falcon
Blessing of the Nightmare
"Who's bright idea was it to manifest nightmares into a ring?"
Accessory
Grants increased offensive stats during an event - think Celestial Stone on steroids.
Made with 100 Nightmare Fuel and 5 Cosmilite Bars at Draedon's Forge
Curse of the Endotherms
"Can you call this a curse?"
Accessory
Grants increased defensive stats during an event - again, think celestial stone on steroids.
Made with five cosmilite bars and one hundred endothermic energy.
Ring of the Double Moon
"You are one with the night, and it is one with you."
Grants the effects of the aformentioned Curse and Blessing, along with a permanent (though invisible) werewolf buff. Also grants water breathing and increased water mobility.
Made with the Curse and Blessing ststed before, and a Celestial Shell.
Eclipsed Double Ring
"A lunar eclipse on your finger."
Grants the effects of the RotDM as well as both effects of the Dark Sun Ring simultaneously.
Made with a RotDM, a Dark Sun Ring, and 5 Yharon Soul Fragments.
I'm not good at consistency nor naming but heres my mockup moon event stuff
ashen warren
round falcon
i assume that means there's a problem
ashen warren
the problem is why can't i have it yet
round falcon
but i'm too lazy and must sleep so good night
ashen warren
gnight
ashen warren
"Defeating the Brain of Cthulhu / Eater of Worlds in either evil allows the Dryad to sell the alternate evil boss spawner, but apparently this does not apply to the Hive Mind / Perforators." uh what?
hollow shell
@keen nebula Phrase that like a suggestion/request please
fervent zealot
who what when where unclear wording why??
hollow shell
Kinda confusing
ashen warren
quick question
how much money do i need to donate to get an item into the game?
20$ iirc
hollow shell
Its on the Patreon page (pinned in #mod-announcements)
ashen warren
because im willing to pay for Deep Sea Dumbbell
hollow shell
Yeah, 20$
ashen warren
wonderful thank you
quiet abyss
Cocoon flames aren’t
But even then it’s not 100% luck based
And the spears spawning in the air ain’t even that much of a problem if you move up/down, they’re only really dangerous if you move only horizontally and not vertically
And if I do recall, Fab intended provi’s cocoon phases to have some form of rng
His words were smth like “If it’s the same pattern every time then it would be both hard to make it difficult to dodge while also not being boring. Adding some rng will keep you on your toes as you then can’t only rely on memorization and not reflex”
Don’t know if I misremembers anything but that’s how I remember it, and I do agree with him.
ashen warren
@eager ridge no meme suggestions
frosty kindle
can you like, delete that
~~ @eager ridge i'm waiting.
(i mean if you don't i'll do it for you and slap a warn, up to you.)~~
cool and good.
if you wanted wulfrum drones to not jump, you could give more detailed reasoning as to why, although i dont see a problem with it anyways
fervent zealot
agreed
brazen wedge
Am I allowed to star my own suggestion?
marsh gust
¯_(ツ)_/¯ up to you
ashen warren
Yes, it's just frowned upon
brazen wedge
ok i wont
sleek wigeon
That suggestion makes martian invasion pre mech boss
btw
Since that one ufo mob drops martain plating
ashen warren
Maximum sequence-break
tardy blaze
TheBlackHand’s suggestions doc, wow
I mean some of the sprites are amazing
and the ideas are very nice too imo
quiet abyss
That’ll make it post cultist though, so nah
Imo just make it unusable until golem is defeated
night cradle
Solar Tablet fragments are pre-Boss anyway
brazen wedge
but the rest arnt
night cradle
Yep.
rich wagon
Maybe change the name to Book of Replication or Duplication, imo adding the DNA sounds a bit long
o
that will be the first summon item that is a book I think
cool
rich wagon
also @frail mantle you should probably rename it to something else cos Plague Staff already exists
Contaminated Staff? ¯_(ツ)_/¯
idk
frail mantle
Better?
rich wagon
cool
ashen warren
Make it affected by the plague hive too, that'd be nice
dense girder
i'm gonna start work on some calamity presents ideas
hollow shell
@cyan lagoon You can star your own suggestions, lol
ashen warren
I can? 👀
delicate raft
no
ashen warren
I meant, could I give my suggestion a star? Or would it not count? 🤔
frail mantle
you're free to give your own suggestion a star, it's just frowned upon
dense girder
well look at it like this
if you made it you're obviously for it
ergo it makes sense you put a star on your own suggestion
otherwise you make something and leave it up for grabs
hollow shell
I said that to Cob because he's a cooldude, and his suggestion had no stars.
hollow shell
I was just sayin that
(moreso to Solo)
alpine garnet
Isn't it preml alrdy
alpine garnet
isn't it not even there, but alrdy out?
wiki says it's currently preml iirc
not that it rly matters /shrug
ashen warren
it's in next update, so there's no point in having a suggestion about it
dense girder
ban cobalion they broke a suggestion rule
ruby cobalt
He moved it to pre-Cultist.
And it will be, so there's no point in that suggestion.
Aka someone didn't read the changelog and should be warned for dumb shit.
dense girder
i mean to be fair it is over 130 changes and it's buried right in the middle
likely they just didn't know better
they didn't have any serious malicious intent
alpine garnet
reading those 130 changes takes like 5 mins at most
I think people can spare 5 mins
ashen warren
in: changelogs ampoule
dense girder
you make it sound like people here have the brains to do that
ashen warren
aside from search some prolly wouldn't think to do it if they're new
ruby cobalt
But apparently they do have brains to make suggestions like these.
dense girder
tbf most of us excluding you brainlet would probably not bother to go through that
ruby cobalt
Which, again, is whose problem?
dense girder
brain stop flexing your brain 
wait can you flex the brain-- i'm gonna google that actually
alpine garnet
using a discord search isn't gonna take overwhelming brainpower
ruby cobalt
faint rivet
Single post
ruby cobalt
@tender canopy everything goes into a single post btw.
tender canopy
eager palm
@lucid marsh how do you expect people to nohit her then smh
round falcon
reposting this idea i made yesterday again
Blessing of the Nightmare
"Who's bright idea was it to manifest nightmares into a ring?"
Accessory
Grants increased offensive stats during an event - think Celestial Stone on steroids. However, slightly decreases defensive stats to compensate.
Made with 100 Nightmare Fuel and 5 Cosmilite Bars at Draedon's Forge
Curse of the Endotherms
"Can you call this a curse?"
Accessory
Grants increased defensive stats during an event - again, think celestial stone on steroids. However, slightly decreases offensive stats to compensate.
Made with five cosmilite bars and one hundred endothermic energy.
Ring of the Double Moon
"You are one with the night, and it is one with you."
Grants the effects of the aformentioned Curse and Blessing, along with a permanent (though invisible) werewolf buff. Also grants water breathing and increased water mobility.
Made with the Curse and Blessing ststed before, and a Celestial Shell with 2 effulgent feathers.
When hit during the night, you have a chance to summon a wave of Frigidflash bolts that scale with the current held weapon's damage and class.
Eclipsed Double Ring
"A lunar eclipse on your finger."
Grants the effects of the RotDM as well as both effects of the Dark Sun Ring simultaneously. When hit, you summon a wave of Holy-Plague bolts that slightly home and pierce once. Affected by held weapon's bonuses. Cooldown 10 seconds.
Made with a RotDM, a Dark Sun Ring, and 5 Yharon Soul Fragments.
All of these would look like rings similar to the Dark Sun Ring.
ashen warren
love it
round falcon
hang on, i'm gonna make some changes
round falcon
It isn't
ashen warren
it's a jojo's reference my dude
ashen warren
cyan lagoon
ah
round falcon
so uh any thoughts on my suggestion?
ashen warren
cyan lagoon
ehh
i'd want more unique bonuses for the last two
since "this combined with that" is rather lazy
round falcon
all right.
ashen warren
gives you bonus stats during a solar eclipse?
but cranked up past what is already given
oh wait
i know
makes your attacks inflict Daybroken for 6 seconds
or perhaps nightwither instead?
ashen warren
god slayer IS pretty strong
ashen warren
daybroken fits the theme a bit
round falcon
screw daybroken, holy flames + plague is where it's at
round falcon
i guess i can post this now
lost agate
Provi becoming invicible again at 5%? 
ashen warren
I love it when she bundles up and uses my Silva invincibility right before Scal
ashen warren
I love it when the guardian gives me a warm hug for the rest of my life 💖
round falcon
I love it when I forget lava immunity and get dragged through the Crags by wof
hollow shell
@ashen warren I'm gonna label that as a Meme Suggestion and give you a "no."
ashen warren
Scary role 👀 💦
round falcon
Sure glad I actually try to follow the rules.
tulip parcel
“Here’s my item idea make a boss that’s just dirt and it drops dev items if you beat it xD
frail mantle
the missing apostrophe or whatever you call it on the end makes it even better
ashen warren
daaamn
that feels a little harsh even tho the rules state that "a meme every now and then is allowed, but don't overdo it"
but if you feel that your course of action is warranted, i'll roll with the punches and suck it up
ashen warren
radiant meadow
ashen warren
can you tell me where you found that because im not seeing it in the rules section
radiant meadow
it's in the pins of #suggestions-voting
ashen warren
ah ok
glossy bough
@round falcon If the frigidflash bolts in the Ring of the Double Moon Ring scale with your weapon, this might be abused with extremely high-damage like the AMR. A flat damage would probably be more balanced.
ashen warren
or you know, a max amount of damage that can be dealt
agile cloud
Or a softcap
lost agate
Then fab got confident with this update
heady comet
nerf item buff boss
glossy bough
So I fixed the lesser birb thing from earlier since the other one was quite disturbing
manic current
I was thinking, as a trade off for Rage being slightly harder to get (see changelogs), make it do slightly more damage.
sleek wigeon
"slightly harder to get"
teal shoal
just remove rage and buff adrenaline to its pre-nerf state 
heady comet
just remove rage and adrenaline
ashen warren
lmao
teal shoal
actually that wouldnt be stupid smh
nerf everything's hp at reve/dm so anyone can deal high damage
lost agate
Tf happened to your name diamen?
teal shoal
i just changed it 
an meme where i live and thats about it
will probably change it back someday
round falcon
@glossy bough fixed it.
topaz flint
I think you already can...
ashen warren
you can cancel them, by right clicking the buff icon @strong jacinth
heady comet
hmm
delicate raft
Yes, you can
radiant meadow
yeah, you can cancel them
you can't cancel any of the vodkas
or heart attack
I wish I could just avoid heart attack altogether, it's annoying
ashen warren
iirc it messes with tarragon set bonus (by extension auric) so in the middle of a summoner scal fight if you get it, you lose 2 minions
hollow shell
That sounds like a bug
+2 minions happens after the revive is over, and is permanent from then on
wait
shit you said Tarragon
ashen warren
ye, not silva lol
hollow shell
Yeah actually I could see that messing with it
silva and tarragon are really similar okay
ashen warren
radiant meadow
free health buff that makes scal nohit harder 
hollow shell
?
ashen warren
you can already do that though
hollow shell
Can you not cancel them, Ace?
round walrus
Ah, uh, I'm not sure? If he actually suggested it I figured it wasn't possible.
Plus I die too fast for zerg potion length to be an issue
round falcon
I'm shocked the suggestion I made has already reached 25 stars. I haven't even starred it myself. Do people really want this?!
radiant meadow
you can cancel them I'm 99% sure
you just can't cancel vodkas or heart attack
or adren/rage to prevent cheese
round walrus
Shh
round walrus
It's all natural talent because you're amazing
radiant meadow
they'll ate i frames 
round falcon
they pierce once because i hate everyone
ashen warren
round falcon
fixed because i dont hate you all ❤ lol
radiant meadow
tulip fulcrum
To someone who says "make it so you can actually cancel zerg or zen", ya know you could just do that by looking at your potion buffs and just right click to dance them right?
round falcon
yes i love dancing the zerg and zen
ashen warren
@glass silo you realise you posted that in suggestions.. right?
round falcon
@glass silo please delete that
heady comet
this is food
round walrus
Aj, rip you
bitter topaz
infinite quality suggestion
hollow shell
The heck was it?
round falcon
i agree minimodders should get out