we weren'tt talking about ufos
#suggestions-discussion
tired haven
Cells are cool but ufos are hot
Either way, the concept is cool indeed, I would instastar it on post moment
fervent zealot
dragon and ufos are hot cells are smell the bad but yes agreed very good suggestion
frail mantle
that was very yes grammar
fervent zealot
i'm fully aware
frail mantle
tulip parcel
actually uh
outside of taking .5 summon slots
I envisioned the nanites behaving like the dank creeper
just, faster
you know?
frail mantle
sorta ignoring i-frames?
tired haven
Stick to enemies and stuff, yeah
tulip parcel
basically providab, and spot on crab
okay ima adjust it for ichor, buff length, and saying it behaves like the dank creeper
frail mantle
the only real problem i can see is that by the time it is crafted, all the bosses are probably to fast for the minions to keep up
fervent zealot
just make the minions fast then, problem summoners have had for ages solved in one simple tweak
radiant meadow
hopefully, these summons are better at keeping up with yharon than the mechworm
and they should be better than the phantoms
hazy glacier
birb minion
ashen warren
Are coppershortsword weapons memes
hazy glacier
I don’t think there will ever be a birb minion since there’s son of yharon
ashen warren
I think 
hazy glacier
sleek wigeon
What is this crypitc otherworldy langauge?
cyan lagoon
I think emote spam
sleek wigeon
Are these some sorta hieroglyphs?
cyan lagoon
can you not
fervent zealot
terraria otherworld canceled so it's nothing language
hazy glacier
actually wait
sleek wigeon
Cob plz, let us bully this nerd in peace
cyan lagoon
no
sleek wigeon
:(
tulip parcel
Can you... let us bully this nerd in war?
cyan lagoon
no
hazy glacier
if otherworld didn’t get canceled do you think Calamity otherworld would have arisen
ashen warren
But means 📱
tulip parcel
no... well, maybe, but probably not
hazy glacier
I’ll ask General that
ashen warren
You don't speak 📞 🖲 🖱
fervent zealot
i don't want to speak emotespam
frail mantle
no i dont speak phone landmine mouse
ashen warren
I think 🏓 is an intresting 👾
hazy glacier
frail mantle
yea, ping pong IS an interesting space invaders
plush remnant
@tulip parcel wtf I need this now
cyan lagoon
@last basin #help-advice-read-pins
#suggestions-voting is for recommendations to the mod/server, not for tips on how to beat bosses
frail mantle
they're suggesting that someone help them with bosses 
cyan lagoon
That would be rather interesting, if rather unneccessary
If it doesn't require calamity, then it'd be decent as an own mod because vanilla's balancing is fucking terrible
subtle turret
i thinking of suggesting an upgrade to the grax that is on the same tier as the crystyl Crusher because while i am able to mine away alot with the crusher, going back and getting rid of the wall takes a long time
subtle turret
ok
radiant meadow
too bad tier of crystyl crusher is dev tier
hollow shell
Real quick
@cyan lagoon
Why did you bluecheck the Tablet of Calamity suggestion?
radiant meadow
because it's similar to individual boss summons of the boss rush?
subtle turret
wait... is just post yharon but not dev tier allowed?
radiant meadow
post yharon is allowed
ashen warren
Most tiers are allowed, just not shadowspec
radiant meadow
post scal is usually not allowed but technically the rule says no shadowspec
ashen warren
You could also use calamitous essence but eh
subtle turret
ok
quiet abyss
Buffing WoF is a no, he’s fine rn
And making him do unique things in crimson worlds only...that’d be leaving corruption in the dust, another no
ashen warren
Wall of Shadow 
cyan lagoon
@hollow shell If i'm not wrong we already sent a suggestion regarding buffing bosses to their BR versions
or at the very least, post-scal
quiet abyss
Is it that suggestion to make post scal versions of boss summoning items?
tulip parcel
but an aesthetic change
quiet abyss
I think I remember seeing it before
tulip parcel
stay with me on this one while I think it out
Is there any way for a boss in one world to appear differently in another
hollow shell
Indeed we did
But this suggestion is a lot less stupid
tulip parcel
Like say you had a corruption world and summon a wall of flesh
Could it -be- different from a crimson wall
radiant meadow
keep in mind that wall of flesh was never associated with the crimson
ashen warren
^
hollow shell
The one we sent wanted new summoning items for every individual boss
which summoned buffed versions
radiant meadow
wall of flesh existed in 1.1 iirc and crimson was introduced in 1.2
quiet abyss
Ye, this one is better than individual summons
fervent zealot
correct, wof was 1.1
tulip fulcrum
Yep
fervent zealot
and crimson was indeed 1.2
tulip parcel
tbh the tablet of calamity is a good idea
tulip fulcrum
And we would consider wof as satan
round falcon
wof was made to be an unholy mass of flesh
fervent zealot
wall of flesh isn'tt relatetd to crimson, it's related to the flesh, souls and rage of the damned
fervent zealot
well no, wof isn't satan
round falcon
a voodoo doll doesn't seem very crimson-y nor corruption-y
hollow shell
@cyan lagoon Take the blue check off of Tablet of Calamity
It's already gimped due to not being able to be starred for a few hours, but I feel like it's different enough from the previous one to stand
Suggesting a new mode (smart) rather than new summon items for all of them (unsmart)
graceful urchin
but its a fleshy wall and crimson is a bunch of flesh blood and organs
tulip fulcrum
Well still, wof is separate from crimson
ashen warren
Crimson in the calamity lore was created from an elder god crashing into the planet
WoF is like polter
An amorphous mass of badness
graceful urchin
but it could be possible for WoF to take power from crimson
round falcon
no
tulip parcel
it's in hell
fervent zealot
wof takes power from the dead and damned
tulip parcel
hell is more evil than crimson
tulip fulcrum
Yep
tulip parcel
crimson is mindless violence
round falcon
the crimson hardly even reaches far underground regardless
tulip parcel
hell is malicious hate
round falcon
wof is stuck in hell
tulip fulcrum
Yep
tulip parcel
and corruption is malicious rot
graceful urchin
wall of flesh is pretty mindless if you ask me and the wof could use some weird ass magic and absorb energy from crimson or land
tulip parcel
but rot is not as strong as hate
subtle turret
a wall of corruption WOULD be kinda cool but didnt thorium or termor already do something like that, think it was a wall of shadows.
tulip fulcrum
I rather not fight a harder wof in crimson world
fervent zealot
wall of shadows is a meme
cyan lagoon
kk
ashen warren
Crimson is already favored
graceful urchin
it doesnt have to be harder though
ashen warren
Just no
graceful urchin
corruption is better in ways
tulip parcel
no?
hollow shell
Thanks Cob
tulip parcel
the dryad sells worm scarf
fervent zealot
corruption makes sure i don't have to deal with brain 
round falcon
brian is dum
tulip fulcrum
Lol true
graceful urchin
but buffing or changing wof wont favor crimson and could make it harder for the reward of crimson
radiant meadow
I find hive mind a much better fight than perfs tbh
perfs is always a rain sucks, why do I have such a low resolution
ashen warren
brain is easier than eow change my mind
round falcon
crimson isnt that rewarding imho
fervent zealot
because hive mind has been touched by terry's radiance
subtle turret
although the crimson gives vampire knives which are insanely good. better at healing the post scal weapons
radiant meadow
can I change your mind with sotd melting?
fervent zealot
vamp knives can be got in corr worlds too thanks tto evil islands
tulip fulcrum
Mhm
subtle turret
oh ya, forgot about that thing
round falcon
Calamity works hard to make sure you never have to leave your world
round falcon
ore fish in next update
tulip fulcrum
Calamity tries to have every thing in one world
ashen warren
You can craft all the chaotic stuff and have plenty to spare wtf you talking about?
radiant meadow
maybe someone who made a lot of hyperius bullets
graceful urchin
ig ravager
tulip fulcrum
Cinderplate is kinda an exception of going to another world
graceful urchin
chaotic ore should replenish and regenerate over time in abyss tbh
round falcon
plus Scourge of the Corruptor makes an infinitely better weapon imo
fervent zealot
cinderplate is getting a crafting recipe iirc
graceful urchin
cinderplate can last u forever if u dont mine it all and do stupid stuff with it
ashen warren
That's impossible unless you make it like chlorophyte
graceful urchin
or u can make it work like abyss walls
where ia chaotic wall will spawn chaotic ore
and it cant be hammered
fervent zealot
can always just make it grow over tenebris like tenebris grows over planty mush
3 way abyss block battle
round falcon
stone grows
tulip fulcrum
Only thing that spawns blocks are defeating or engaging a boss
radiant meadow
@ashen warren you think it would be a good idea to add that to Nanotech recipe?
tulip fulcrum
Mhm
ashen warren
Doesn't fit with the "tech" theme
"You are 10% more likely to get critically hit" blood pact is already terrible
graceful urchin
also dog needs another buff
radiant meadow
ashen warren
don't make throwing need a blood pact
Fair
Also, why a cobalt shield?
Looks like you just kinda threw it in there
fervent zealot
the crit chance is still bad for existing, it doesn't need that downside
radiant meadow
don't forget it'll be much harder to get crits next update
ashen warren
Termi the item made you susceptible to crits
Not increasing crit chance
Yeah that sounds reasonable.
radiant meadow
yeah but it still has crit building thingy
like Raider's
or did I read that wrong
I did, didn't I
graceful urchin
the downside should be something really annoying
like sometimes the item ur using will be thrown on ground
fervent zealot
the downside shouldn't exist, it's an early hm accessory
ashen warren
then why would anyone use that
radiant meadow
wait, no I'm fine
ashen warren
The 10% crit thing meant you have a 10% chance to take triple damage
That was my train of thought, crits = more power = susceptible to crits
fervent zealot
you don't need a downside for something so early in the game
radiant meadow
I think the downside was removed
graceful urchin
yes u do
ashen warren
Yep.
graceful urchin
what if u shred cryogen so easily
ashen warren
Exactly
radiant meadow
so it's like raider's but you can also build dmg by getting hit as well?
graceful urchin
even though i shred him with shadowflame knives
ashen warren
Cryogen is a joke anyway but kay
radiant meadow
perhaps add some cores or something
tulip fulcrum
Cryogen can go many ways
radiant meadow
as of now, it would be like an immediate upgrade to Rogue emblem
unique vector
are we talking about throwing noob things here 
ashen warren
Just put it at pillar/late hm tier like the other class accessories
except for melee
radiant meadow
so thrower would have 2 late hm accessories now
ashen warren
Yeah
radiant meadow
summoner does too tbf
radiant meadow
yeah, nerf hit it hard
deft pollen
Ammonite Helmet
Its just an Ammonite in your head
Hard-Mode Post Plantera upgrade
Recipe : Fossil Helmet + Adamantite/Titanium (5) + Grand Scale
It change the Bonuses from the Fossil Set,and upgrade it for Hard.mode Post Plantera
ashen warren
The dash is so slow compared to asgard's valor
radiant meadow
but it might get buffed to 10% dmg and 5% crit next update
unique vector
helm? why not a full set
radiant meadow
I think it's supposed to go w/ fossil armor
ashen warren
GSS throwing armor is a neat concept
unique vector
also if it were to be post plant shouldn't it use post plant material, or does grand scale come post plant
radiant meadow
grand scale is post plant iirc
deft pollen
yep
ashen warren
GSS requires ecto
radiant meadow
or post clone/plant
unique vector
ashen warren
Or killing plant and waiting in desert sandstorm
tired haven
13
ashen warren
But only a helm?
unique vector
consider making the ammonite helm around that then
ashen warren
So, why just a helm?
ashen warren
So, you want us to wear early game, low defense armor? 
tulip fulcrum
Fossil armor is like kinda early
deft pollen
The bonus set include extra defense for the current tier
fervent zealot
so a gimmick involving an earlier armor set?
sounds neat but you could just make a new full set.
tulip fulcrum
Mhm
deft pollen
(And more work getting the materials)
radiant meadow
a full set might be easier to code if changing vanilla content is harder
ashen warren
Killing 3 great sand sharks is not that hard tbh
Ecto is not a problem with calamity
radiant meadow
and they have a chance to drop 2 instead of 1
unique vector
why would changing a vanilla set be harder?
ashen warren
Vanilla = spaghetti code
unique vector
unless the set is not within an array-type of code where another code can access it
ashen warren
From what I've heard it's that you can change it but it's super not nice
deft pollen
Well,the devs are the one choosing here,if they want it to be a full set,they can do it,if they desire to.
ashen warren
The point of suggestions is to show what the community wants
If the community wants just a helmet then they'll decide based on that
From what I've seen of the few QoL stuff that gets in, they don't change much
unique vector
hold up, no need to get all defensive here guys
deft pollen
Yes
unique vector
suggestions is what the community wants but the devs get a final say
unique vector
as of right now i believe that new armor/accessories/weapons wont be accepted as priority content
it might be just weapons and accessories but i forget
mainly bc of the process of trying to code it, sprite it, then make sure its fine tuned to be balanced
adding your own sprite and code would help but still not a guarantee, so if you ever suggest an item like that don't get your hopes too high
ashen warren
If you have your own sprite and code why not just make your own mod?
unique vector
to add in a simple item? well
- recognized as official content
- possible viability for nohit runs
- so you wouldnt need to go through vanilla spaghetti yourself
deft pollen
i just have ideas... idk how to sprite or coding
unique vector
its all good
do keep in mind though that not many item suggestions get accepted into the main code process
more or less added
ashen warren
"suggestions is what the community wants but the devs get a final say" just fyi they don't seem to change suggestions
It's more of a yes or no deal
ashen warren
pretty much always no 
unique vector
they also change item stats if they like the item but its too unbalanced
ashen warren
Stats aren't sent smh
hollow shell
To be fair
More suggestions get sent to the dev server than they could possibly hope to implement
ashen warren
True, however they've only done QoL stuff from what I've seen
hollow shell
Yeah cuz
Those are easy, Fab can do that any time
deft pollen
Idk,how programming bonus set works. you need re-code the whole set? or just the helmet?
ashen warren
Oh and great sand shark
ashen warren
Almost every mod that adds a fleshed out throwing class adds a WoF drop
radiant meadow
same name as spirit emblem
ashen warren
get original ideas smh
deft pollen
"CRAZY GUY THROWING THINGS EMBLEM"
hollow shell
True, Great Sand Shark was originally a suggestion
ashen warren
But yea it's not really plagarism at that point
radiant meadow
and Spirit kind of died
narrow saffron
Anyone else want Amidias and Brimstone Elemental to be a Recruitable Town NPCs?
radiant meadow
Amidias was planned to be a town npc in the future iirc
hollow shell
and Brim NPC has been suggested in the past
unique vector
who's amidas again?
deft pollen
idk,but it have its own Spark.
radiant meadow
seadragon king of the ocean
unique vector
ah yes him
tulip fulcrum
Some person who owns duke fishduche
unique vector
would be funny if him and SCal were NPCs
narrow saffron
I doubt Calamitas would be a Town NPC...
unique vector
and then every time they were in the same room they would blast each other in the ass
radiant meadow
If scal was an npc, she would find her way to a pit of lava.
ashen warren
Amadias is responsible for fishface? LET ME AT 'IM
radiant meadow
I think Calamitas being an npc was also planned.
unique vector
it was
narrow saffron
Was it?
unique vector
termi dont bully her
radiant meadow
she bullies me
deft pollen
If Scal is a NPC,she could do the opposite of the Nurse... but,why someone will want that?
unique vector
that's your fault for being a suck
narrow saffron
How the hell would you recru- ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
tulip fulcrum
Amd is responsible for fish face lol
radiant meadow
I guess you're a suck too since you have far fewer nohits
ashen warren
I hate fishron
narrow saffron
Doesn't everyone?
narrow saffron
ANYWAYS back on topic, I think SCal would be an interesting Town NPC if done correctly.
ashen warren
Scal town npc is eh
narrow saffron
I know how you'd recruit her if that's a thing
ashen warren
Pacifist calamity sounds like a fun time but at that point you've already butchered everything else and calamitas is fully broken and loyal to yharim
narrow saffron
Maybe there'd be a way to reverse the effects? cough Dryad cough
tulip fulcrum
Unless you kill scal a lot
ashen warren
You can't just heal insanity man
narrow saffron
What about the Tortured Soul?
ashen warren
unless you're the player talking to the nurse but that's a different story
narrow saffron
ashen warren
Tortured soul is a demon
narrow saffron
Tax Collector but still
ashen warren
he still is after tbh
tulip fulcrum
Tax collector is demon
deft pollen
The Curse affects her mind? or her mind and soul?
deft pollen
That mean her soul... in a new vessel...
narrow saffron
But she's still batshit insane.
ashen warren
She stays with him because she wants to now
Only way we're getting an scal npc imo is killing yharim
narrow saffron
Holy shit, I just realized I think I know how the Draedon fight is gonna go down.
@ashen warren Yharim before SCal?
ashen warren
HAH no
narrow saffron
It'd be the only logical way tho...
ashen warren
yharon > draedon > scal > yharim > superbosses
narrow saffron
You forgot Guz- Goozma.
ashen warren
She a superboss
deft pollen
not in the next patch
tulip fulcrum
Maybe killing scal a lot would make her move in, I think one of her quotes says she'll change her mind after all those deaths
ashen warren
Goozma isn't in the next update
narrow saffron
Anyways, anyone else feel like Draedon's fight is gonna be a shit ton of spam and turrets?
deft pollen
i fell Daedron Fight will be like fight a really buffed up summoner...
ashen warren
We don't know yet
narrow saffron
True.
deft pollen
And lotta of mechanical servants.
ashen warren
👏 offtopic
deft pollen
narrow saffron
So, how would people react to me suggesting some new mini bosses?
ashen warren
Well if you made them well and gave good reason then positively?
If you don't put too much thought into it then negatively?
That's generally how it goes
narrow saffron
I have an idea for an Ice mini boss, Astral mini boss, potentially a post-Polter Dungeon Mini, and maybe some more Elementals...
I dunno, still working on the Elemental concepts.
ashen warren
Elementals are off the table
narrow saffron
OK
ashen warren
They're part of the lore and there are only 5 iirc
narrow saffron
👍 thanks mate.
ashen warren
Cloud, Brimstone, Sand sisters and siren iirc
fervent zealot
siren isn't elemental
narrow saffron
Earth Elemental you forgot.
tulip fulcrum
Yep
narrow saffron
then again, earth Elemental is forgettable as Fudge
subtle turret
hopefully the fights dont get harder then scal currently is because scal is insanely hard, took 76 tries to beat it.
narrow saffron
cough Yharim cough
tulip fulcrum
Oh heck
ashen warren
Scal isn't a superboss anymore fyi
narrow saffron
👆
fervent zealot
won't be, still is currently
tulip fulcrum
Mhm
ashen warren
She's not really any different to yharon after the hitcap removal
subtle turret
as long as yharim is bullet hell then i am good, i am just not the best a doging tons of prohjectiles coming from every direction
narrow saffron
Every boss has its own different quirks.
subtle turret
yharon isnt bullet hell, i can easly beat him, only takes a few tries on death mode.
because scal is pure bullet hell, it took me 76 tries for just the expert one.
narrow saffron
OK, lets move over to #general-talk for this.
ashen warren
Tiger I was referring to how she ain't a superboss
Only thing superboss-like is difficulty
Anyway yes we're offtopic
subtle turret
ok, also we should go over to general talk for this like dropkick said
narrow saffron
THATS WHAT I SAID BUT WHATEVER.
ashen warren
nah fuck general imma just stay here and wait for the next suggestion
subtle turret
forgot to add like dropkick said
ashen warren
Dropkick chill
subtle turret
sry
ashen warren
I was agreeing
deft pollen
And,anyone is thinking in more Throwable that are consumables? for each tier? i mean,a bit more of variety,don´t seems to be bad,for the Throwing class.
something made out of living shards?
Plague cells?
Anithing?
Crimson/Corrupt/Hallow Throwabble snow balls?!
tulip fulcrum
Never forget astral
deft pollen
Astral Snow Balls...
errant wind
I would just like more stuff for the Throwing class
As in more accessories
Like we have only 4 total that help out the throwing class
Nanotech, Raider’s, and the 2 Statis belts
ashen warren
Statis' belt of curses is a summoner accessory really
radiant meadow
but throwers use it
it's quite valuable
it may be summoner's endgame class acc, but thrower boosts warrant its use
tulip fulcrum
Mhm
narrow saffron
Maybe make a crafting variant for both Summoner and Throwing?
radiant meadow
no
deft pollen
Stati´s belt of Blesses?
narrow saffron
👆
radiant meadow
statis belt is a throwing acc and statis curse is a summoner acc
when you combine the two, why would you have 2 separate options?
tulip fulcrum
Yeah
narrow saffron
More versatility and / or options for either class for balancing purposes
deft pollen
Auric Ninja Belt?
ashen warren
No auric tier accessories please and thank
Hoarding like 50 weapons is already bad enough
Hoarding more would just be overkill
narrow saffron
deft pollen
Auric Timbs
errant wind
Calamitous Kunai Pouch
tulip fulcrum
I hoard some and then throw out some i find myself not using
deft pollen
Hoarder´s Belt?
errant wind
Throwing attacks inflict every debuff except sadness, and have a chance to heal you based on damage dealt
deft pollen
What,sadness is a debuff?!
ashen warren
yea that's not broken at aaaall /s
errant wind
Yeah, makes enemies unable to damage you with contact damage
ashen warren
Sadness is weird
hazy glacier
The whole screen or just the character
ashen warren
I just freezes enemies in place for me
radiant meadow
sadness from statis line got nerfed in 1.4
errant wind
Really the only example you ever see of Temporal Sadness (The official name of the debuff) is on the Teardrop Cleaver and on Statis' Belt of Curses
ashen warren
You can't change how gravity works
hazy glacier
no I meant what flips
errant wind
When you flip we flip you flip
ashen warren
You can't change how it works at the moment
Whole screen flips
Can't switch it
That's why the suggestion
deft pollen
in older version onli the player flip
ashen warren
They changed it because it was really strong
fervent zealot
yes, and gravity globe is garbage and deserves something strong right now
tulip fulcrum
So they did that to discourage the play to use gravity potion?
ashen warren
(btw big eyes it's "only" not "onli" just so you know)
tulip fulcrum
Or make it annoying?
ashen warren
They did it because it was basically infinite flight
tulip fulcrum
Huh
ashen warren
Yea to make it less easy to use
worn bay
"no auric accessories" coward
tulip fulcrum
Mhm
errant wind
Maybe make something you get from, say... something in the middle of HM, maybe Calamitas or Plantera
ashen warren
Throwing is not really all that different to the other classes after ML
deft pollen
Living Shard Thowing Leaves?
ashen warren
Throwing leaves...
narrow saffron
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K46TpHJvm6xCp-09ZfVFiJhYkU6qVOPnUj_Zp1dgExg/edit?usp=drivesdk
This is just a rough concept so far (copied from elsewhere) but do tell me opinions about the items and miniboss suggestions.
ashen warren
That's a new one
errant wind
That actually.... hmm.
Maybe
Like, a Leaf Sharpening Kit
"You wouldn't think it would help, but boy they sure do hurt...."
ashen warren
"Leaf Sharpening" we just goin' right in aren't we?
errant wind
Increases crit strike chance by a massive amount, but reduces overall damage by some percent
deft pollen
it make hostile npc bleed?
ashen warren
Bleed is yucky
errant wind
Bleeding is a really weak debuff
ashen warren
It just removes regen
errant wind
To apply to enemies
narrow saffron
Any suggestion for my ideas?
ashen warren
hold on a sec I'm trying to read and talk here at the same time
deft pollen
Actually sounds good,like part of the magic ice castle,infect the rest of the snow biome
and make spawn thougther enemies
fervent zealot
cryogen is the castle, and it's the prison
topaz flint
actually
sleek wigeon
@graceful urchin Why?
topaz flint
errant wind
szavak is correct, Permafrost was the archmage that Yharim imprisoned inside the castle, the castle having become Cryogen over the years.
topaz flint
pros of gravity globe:
it looks sorta good
ashen warren
Eh, I remembered it as permafrost was transformed into cryo because yharim was jelly
sleek wigeon
Not in the slightest
fervent zealot
cons: it's terrible
topaz flint
cons of gravity globe:
worse gravity potion
takes up accesory slot
MY HEAD'S SPINNING
deft pollen
"Auric Jelly Yharim"
sleek wigeon
Permafrost refused to help yharim commit demon genocide
Yharim activates rune trap thats forces the entirety of the castle into a small area
topaz flint
if we have a better expert drop for the moonlord to replace gravity globe
that'd be nice.
sleek wigeon
Trapping permafrost inside
ashen warren
ML has 2 expert drops though
vestal elbow
and then he gets released by you and put into a prison
topaz flint
yeah
sleek wigeon
How dare you
errant wind
Oh no
sleek wigeon
I put him in my own ice castle
topaz flint
how to cryogen
sleek wigeon
Wait fuck, is that insensitive?
topaz flint
1.build an ice castle
2.fight cryogen in said castle
3.have said castle be the archmage's home
ashen warren
Does he hate ice now?
errant wind
No, he says in some of his dialogue that he really likes being in the snow and stuff
ashen warren
I thought so
fervent zealot
nah it's not insensitive
ashen warren
I wondered if I was going crazy or something
fervent zealot
he liked his castle, it's just being forcibly trapped in a crumpled up castle/ball of ice sucks
errant wind
"Even paradise can become a prison.... when you're not allowed to leave."
It annoys me that I remember so specifically that quote but not where it came from
ashen warren
Maybe perma could sell something if he's in the snow biome
That would be neat
Pretty offtopic now that I think about it though
Gravity globe changing midair and only flipping the character would be neat though
deft pollen
Cryogonal Dye selled by him at the snow biome? during heavy snowstorm?
ashen warren
I doubt it would see much use due to it being a ML drop but still
fervent zealot
the screen flip is the reason i never use gravity any more
i would use this tweaked globe over wings in a heartbeat
marsh gust
well.... the reworked defiled will remove wing time so.. it'll be useful somewhat atleast if it doesnt flip ur screen
fervent zealot
that too
ashen warren
Where are the details of the new defiled?
fervent zealot
nowhere yett ottther than people who saw fab's messages
and new defiled only has two changes
bosses don't gain dr with defiled on, and your wing time is 0
tthat is to say, instead of everything being tanky as fuck, you just can't fly any more
ashen warren
Time to use MOAB and boot flight all the time
radiant meadow
or chug grav pots and use mounts
alpine garnet
ice isn't really that boring imo
deft pollen
im thinking on a usseles block of dry ice,that stuck you for some seconds on touch...
ashen warren
Mechanics designed to annoy the player are bad
Mechanics should be aimed towards fun not annoyance
hollow shell
Why should it exist?
ashen warren
Annoying mud in thorium is dumbo
It wastes time without adding to overall fun
So would a block that just freezes you
narrow saffron
👆
hollow shell
I mean, Annoying Mud is kinda funny to get, before you put it in the autotrash
ashen warren
I got autotrash because of annoying mud so that's one thing I guess
deft pollen
Actually Cryonic Ore could make that on touch
i see... that´mean is usseless... just as i though at the start...
ashen warren
It makes sense that relogic made the pretty sequence-breaking materials burn you on touch (meteorite and hellstone)
I can get cryonic ore freezing you to an extent
Adding a block solely for the purpose of not being dangerous but annoying is bad imo
errant wind
slush
errant wind
I know, I was making a joke
radiant meadow
phm medusa 
ashen warren
irl there are already enough annoyances
radiant meadow
those were some good times
ashen warren
Don't need them in vidya games
narrow saffron
ashen warren
yeah fuck medusa
radiant meadow
Is there a mod that makes them phm again?
ashen warren
please no
narrow saffron
liiitle off topic ATM......
radiant meadow
I guess Early Hardmode counts
ashen warren
Offtopic only just now
I was talking about the dry ice thing that big eyes was talking about and how cryonic is a much better block to have that behavior even though it's super annoying either way
deft pollen
But it would make a lot of sense... cause is "Cryonic"
narrow saffron
Wonder what other items could use some love.....
deft pollen
im thinking the Chaotic Ore could Cause Elemental Chaos Debuff on touch,making the player avoiding touching it in the abyss,for prevent the spawn of an adult Eidolon Wirm.
radiant meadow
that's a little much
deft pollen
Like chaos is...
narrow saffron
UMMM.
ashen warren
that's.. the worst thing i've seen yet tbh
I don't mean to be a bully but wow
Chaotic ore already drops damaging spiky things
deft pollen
Hey,any bad idea can be forgotten like a bad dream.
narrow saffron
So what next? Perennial ore starts acting like a plant would? Uelibloom gives you Irradiated? Auric Ore electrifies you?
ashen warren
Auric ore just kills you on touch
deft pollen
These ideas sound good and bad at the same time.
fervent zealot
touching exodium clusters summons exodia tthe forbidden one
narrow saffron
iwasntbeingseriousbutokiguessso
ashen warren
I'm not being serious either kick
narrow saffron
I know.
deft pollen
And Aerialite Ore give a buff for reducing fall damage for 10s on touch
(Dramatic music)
narrow saffron
Charred Ore gives On Fire debuff
Astral Ore gives Godslayer debuff
ashen warren
Just make all ores kill you tbh
deft pollen
Well,if you want joke suggest,making all ores kill you on touch is a good sarcasm either.
ashen warren
Cut out the middle man
marsh gust
make auric ore instakill on touch
ashen warren
boi that's what i said
marsh gust
im late okay
ashen warren
it's cool
marsh gust
;-;
deft pollen
someone say,make it give electrified debuff on touch... but auric things are Dev´s territory
ashen warren
Auric is allowed afaik
marsh gust
shadow spec is dev's territory 
ashen warren
It's just shadowspec
deft pollen
Auric Thimbs.
ashen warren
What's a "thimb"?
deft pollen
its a kind of very popular and expensive boots
Also... vanity things are almost at the bottom of priorities,
tiny rivet
auric thimble
tiny rivet
we need an auric thimble now
ashen warren
Thimble would be an accessory that allows you to play the "sewing" minigame
Allowing you to reforge your armor
radiant meadow
why would an auric tier accessory favor a single class?
mystic glade
why would i want to give up unlimited moon charm buff for a 10 second one?
radiant meadow
thrower already has plenty of accs to fill slots
mystic glade
(raiders mantle)
ashen warren
Also the class that is really op against scal
tiny rivet
Auric Thimble would allow you to throw Auric Sewing Needles blessed by Grandma Yharim
ashen warren
Because mantle can work during the day and it buffs throwing as well?
All in 1 slot
deft pollen
Auric Accesory for Each class? made of all Better Accesories for each class?
im just getting un original right now...
ashen warren
Being serious, I don't want auric accessories
radiant meadow
you mean upgrades to elemental gauntlet/talisman/quiver/belt of curses/nanotech?
ashen warren
Nanotech and the other ones are already really strong
deft pollen
But Devs? if theire planning it,nothing will stop them.
radiant meadow
they're fine where they are tbh
tiny rivet
yeah, auric accessories are unnecessary
radiant meadow
not to mention all 5 just got nerfed recently
which is a testament to their former power
belt of curses nerf didn't do anything though tbh
ashen warren
"they does not benefit astral tier" uhh
radiant meadow
@ashen warren I think resprites will be added when someone wants to sprite them.
radiant meadow
If nobody feels like respriting furniture, it isn't happening
sick crag
ashen warren
And it had the recipe reduced multiple times
ashen warren
It's the best tank armor
errant wind
From a certain point of view it shares top slot with Demonshade
ashen warren
Demonshade is glass
Why for everyone Auric Tesla Armor is hard to craft
I remember when it required like 1000 of the moon materials
Per piece
worn bay
It's not like you'd have to grind for a Gravity Globe
worn bay
you NEED to get one to go post-ML
radiant meadow
90 cores of calamity
I saw that recipe and made the decision to stick with god slayer
ashen warren
It would just be one of those items where you think you have everything but psyche go kill ML since you sold it
sick crag
Lol
alpine garnet
thing is, you'd either need 2 versions of tesla, or make tesla expert exclusive
deft pollen
im having a shitty idea!!!!
UFO + Brimstone Rose = Brimstone UFO
radiant meadow
tesla won't be mode exclusive pretty sure
ashen warren
I mean, normal mode is super easy but I guess
tiny rivet
Mode exclusive just gave me the awful idea of making Yharim and Draedon only fightable in death mode kek
radiant meadow
that isn't gonna happen
deft pollen
the mount recipe seems to be very uninspired,right?
round falcon
i mean ascened chibii instakills you if you aren't in DM when it reaches a certain point
errant wind
It only ever does 500 damage, right?
So technically you can survive that
With potions n stuff
jovial spire
and fruits
narrow saffron
Technically. It still summons a DoT and / or DoG FF if you're especially unlucky.
jovial spire
you can get a total of 1080 hp with no pact of abyss or thins like that
errant wind
Then again, assuming you do survive you're probably going to die like 0.2 seconds later from DoG/DoT spawning on you
narrow saffron
👌
errant wind
It only summons DoG Phase 2 if the player's name is Terry
Otherwise it just summons a Devourer of Thots
deft pollen
continue in #calamity-mod-talk pls
errant wind
Sorry, sorry
ashen warren
What would be better is to make the cultists immune to all autokill effects
radiant meadow
wdym?
hollow shell
What's an "autokill effect"?
radiant meadow
only bloodflare core/cotbg can do that I think
fervent zealot
he means damage auras
hollow shell
Nah, there's quite a few damage auras
radiant meadow
other dmg auras don't work on enemies w/o contact dmg
hollow shell
o
radiant meadow
except maybe toxic heart/plague hive, I forgot
ashen warren
Autokill as in they automagically kill enemies without effort on the part of the player
hollow shell
I see
deft pollen
and is a way to refer,something just kill an enemy in one hit...
hollow shell
Nah auras are usually like a lot of hits in a very short amount of time
fervent zealot
uh.. what..?????
i've never had thatt problem
i've never even heard of that problem.
sleek wigeon
The what achievement?
radiant meadow
@hybrid ocean you can disable the step counter for that to reduce lag
It's a setting somewhere; I forget
saw a video
ashen warren
"resets everytime you close the game" that's a cracked version of the game problem
vestal elbow
sleek wigeon
hybrid ocean
i saw people who bought the game getting the same error
fervent zealot
he's claiming it resets every time he launches the game
i've never known anyone but cracked users to have the issue
radiant meadow
then disable the achievement?
hybrid ocean
it doesn't work
ashen warren
This is very sus imo
sleek wigeon
50% of everyone who have chopped down a tree in terraria
have gotten this acheivement
hybrid ocean
i don't mean the steam achievement
ashen warren
The problem is that it lags the game when they get it ingame
hybrid ocean
i just can't have or use a credit card yet to buy the game
ashen warren
The thing is, ingame achievements only reset constantly with cracked versions of the game
sleek wigeon
Tbh these acheivement stats are great
hollow shell
oof
sleek wigeon
You do realize that admitting to owning a pirated copy is grounds for an instant perma ban, right?
hollow shell
This isn't lookin very good for you Peter
hybrid ocean
oh heck
fervent zealot
he bouta get yeeted
ashen warren
Well rip you
marsh gust
well this server bans you for using a cracked version
hybrid ocean
yeet
marsh gust
come back when u have an official copy i guess
hybrid ocean
maybe
ashen warren
how can he come back if he's banned though
marsh gust
right
ashen warren
@cyan lagoon yo this guy has a pirated copy
marsh gust
and leaving now is punishment evading
hybrid ocean
thx dude
marsh gust
which will lead to a ban as well
hybrid ocean
well
hollow shell
It's just how it be
marsh gust
hollow shell
Sorry man
hybrid ocean
it really do be like that sometimes
jovial spire
Goodbye
hybrid ocean
tiny rivet
oh heck
hybrid ocean
guess i know what to get for christmas now
cyan lagoon
@hybrid ocean im gonna have to ban you, sorry
cyan lagoon
Just note if you have evidence that you bought the game ill be happy to unban you
hybrid ocean
ok
vestal elbow
🇫
ashen warren
Imagine cracking Terraria
tiny rivet
Imagine not buying the soundtrack alongside the base game
errant wind
Imagine not getting the achievement for chopping down a tree
tiny rivet
hop on, refuse to move, die to a slime, uninstall, leave a negative review, refund
tiny rivet
i’ve seen the stats
i like to check my progress to validate myself
but a lot of games have players without the most basic achievements
errant wind
More people have the achievement for getting into hardmode than have the one for beating Queen Bee
tiny rivet
get your logic out of here smh
ashen warren
Or their system has a bug that wouldn't let them run the game
"More people have the achievement for getting into hardmode than have the one for beating Queen Bee" that's just sad
tiny rivet
tbf i didn’t do queen bee until hardmode because i didn’t know she existed
errant wind
Jegus
ashen warren
..offtopic though rip
errant wind
Yeah
tiny rivet
yeah about 6 hours after i started hardmode did i do queen bee lmao
errant wind
TBF in speedrunning cases it's actually better to do some bosses in HM
Like King Slime and Skeletron
tiny rivet
Yeah, you’d only fight Skeletron, WoF, Plantera, Golem, LC, and ML in a speedrun
keen nebula
Nebulous Core + Astral Arcanum = Nebula Arcanum
hollow shell
fervent zealot
actually how about this
nebula arcanum + nebula arcanum = arcanum of the void
which might be a weapon, but it also might be an accessory
ruby cobalt
yo dawg I heard you liked nebulas and arcanums so we put a nebula in yo nebula
hollow shell
Nebula Arcanum + Arcanum of the Void + Void of Calamity = Nebula Arcanum of the Void of Calamity
fervent zealot
actually though nebulous core + astral arcanum could become cosmic arcanum which would be hot
quasi fable
Then combine that with blood god, amalgam and sponge
keen nebula
Moar effects
quasi fable
There should be a dev accessory thats literally just effect spam
keen nebula
Dev weapons
dev accessories
Asgardian Aegis + Rampart of Deities
Nebulous Core + Astral Arcanum
some strange new hallowed theme accessory to match the Crimson and corrupt ones
keen nebula
Does that add crazy superaccessories
hollow shell
You bet it does
keen nebula
Interested
hollow shell
Don't wanna go too offtopic, you can check it out when you want
vapid basin
Yharim as a boss after supreme calamitas
quasi fable
Uh
hollow shell
Yep, that is a thing that is happening
ashen warren
Eidolists drop the eidolon tablets and also ectoplasm after calamitas so you don't need to kill plantera
hollow shell
The Tablets, that is
sleek wigeon
Ye
lunar berry
tulip fulcrum
I ask the same
There's no way they're gonna remove eidolists
Considering the lore and stuff
worthy fiber
Buffing them during the fight would make more sense
It's true that they aren't that significant during the battle
But it probably would be more ideal to make them more influential than non-existent
tulip fulcrum
Mhm
narrow saffron
My boy, @willow dagger WHY IN THE NAME OF CALAMITAS WOULD YOU GET RID OF EIDOLISTS WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK.
tulip fulcrum
Woah there
sacred thorn
get rid of moon lord, he’s repulsive in every way and is a pain in the ass to fight
tulip fulcrum
frail mantle
Get rid of hard bosses because they are hard
tulip fulcrum
narrow saffron
remove everything because they look terrible and they're to hard.
vestal comet
GuYs ReMoVe ScAl, ShEs ToO hArD
ruby cobalt
get rid of hard bosses because they're hard
tulip fulcrum
narrow saffron
Remove Slimes, they look terrible and they're not fun to fight.
ruby cobalt
That's gonna be a zoinkles from me, my dude
sacred thorn
remove the mod it’s too hard and keeps spawn killing me every time I die
ruby cobalt
ML isn't hard, he's fucking full blast cancer.
vestal comet
Remove everything from terraria, ez
sacred thorn
ML is pretty hard
narrow saffron
This is Calamity were talking about.
tulip fulcrum
sacred thorn
Doggy on the other hand is ez
vestal comet
Remove calamity too
frail mantle
Remove expert mode because it’s too hard for me
tulip fulcrum
narrow saffron
Maybe instead of remove them, give them 1-2 seconds where they can't harm you, since you like to complain about the Eidolists spawncamping you ๖̶̶̶ζ͜͡Noah20201
hexed hedge
There's already something at the bottom of the abyss
The Boss rush item, I'm fairly sure.
unless I'm being dum
frail mantle
Or, a classic one from god himself (Gbradley) “nerf normal mode king slime”
tulip fulcrum
Yeah, the shrine in the 4th layer of the abyss
ashen warren
I hate ml with a burning passion
frail mantle
Y
ashen warren
The fight on rev is chaotic as fuck with the middle eye taking too long to pop, so the fight feels boring and I’m no longer engaged
Death has better pacing thanks to adrena/rage
frail mantle
Yea rev ML ain’t no joke
narrow saffron
Duke Fishron. Words cannot say how much I want him to change.
Maybe a nerf to his overall?
frail mantle
*Dick Fuckron
ashen warren
Fishie is fine
Rev ml is just seriously unfun, at least with fishron you feel like you’re making progress in the fight 
alpine garnet
Thing I like about ml is after one kill he's a ton easier
radiant meadow
I felt progress at rev ml though 
ashen warren
i did a little
ashen warren
Today's suggestions aren't lookin too good
@viscid blade fab has confirmed this is nearly undoable
so probabaly wont ever be added
hollow shell
Was that the Armageddon suggestion?
ashen warren
yeah i directly asked him if it was doable
he essentially said no
since its a vanilla thing
quiet abyss
@willow dagger
"Plus they are ugly/repulsive in every way (no offense to whoever made them)"
First, the way I see it is that this is just your opinion. The eidolists may look weird to some people but they're definitely not objectively ugly/repulsive.
(Following up your insults with "no offense" doesn't it make it any less insulting to the spriters who made them either)
Second, the whole suggestion to me feels more like your personal want, more than suggestion to actually improve the mod.
Do some people not like Eidolists and find them annoying? Sure
But if the only reason you want them removed is because you find them annoying and ugly, with no other reasons backing you up, then I can't really understand your point of view nor agree with it.
If you want something removed, give us objective reasons, not your personal opinion.
low hedge
tl;dr no
hollow shell
Yeah saying they should be removed because they look ugly is
really mean actually
lost agate
I personally think they look like some cultist combined with an octopus thing
But i dont think its ugly
frail mantle
imo they look like a cultist mid-transformation into an eidolon wyrm
delicate raft
tbh if eidolists were real, they would be scary, but not ugly or repulsive at all
And this is Terraria
lost agate
Also, salt induced suggestions arent really good imo
If you got salty on someone heres something i can tell you
1: dont suggest while youre still mad, because you aint gonna be very objective
2: if you still want it to be changed after relaxing a bit then give it some thought and give some good reasons
low hedge
i think they get it lads
lost agate
Yeah i'll stop
keen nebula
Abyssal waifu
delicate raft
Nope
quasi fable
angry dog though
hollow shell
If it sucks
make it better
Very rarely is something so inherently fucked that it must be removed
Angry Dog just needs a resprite and maybe a new drop and 👏 it's fixed
quasi fable
mhmm
I am not artistic at all though 😱
angry dog is to me one of the uh leftovers from a different time i guess
radiant pawn
noah what the fuck
why would you call ugly the eidolists
they are beautiful on the inside, and the outside 
and how can they be bad
you kill them instantly when you fight ML
hollow shell
Well thats a problem
radiant pawn
what's the maximum pics you can put into your suggestion?
i had to do three images for my suggestion, and idk if you can only put one
alpine garnet
if you want a lot of images just use an imgur album or smth
and disable preview with < link >
frail mantle
or just put it into a google doc
proven tide
@radiant pawn Perhaps make that disclaimer line the first line of the suggestion?
Rather than the eighth?
radiant pawn
you mean this?
(i'll leave a couple of images to not make it confusing. but the fuction should be like the Influx Weaver)
proven tide
I mean, the first line should be this one:
ok, i know Vanquisher Bullets were suggested like an insane lot since vanquisher arrows exist, and people mostly tend to suggest it, but i will try to make this suggestion a little bit original from the rest
Not the eighth
lost agate
@ashen warren thats not how backfiring works
hasty wigeon
..?
ashen warren
when it does the most dps
hasty wigeon
Drat is made to be good if you can dodge
radiant pawn
@proven tide oh right
ashen warren
make the penalty for not dodging higher