suggestions-discussion

[ashen warren]

Continue on gents

[sacred thorn]

btw im talking about my own suggestion now and i realized that the name fits with the trivia info on the celestial pillars page int the wiki

"The four pillars could also be based on the lifespan of a star: Nebula - the birth of a star, Solar - a lively star, Vortex - a collapsing star as it dies, and finally, Stardust - the remains of a star's corpse."

Blackholes are created by stars exploding and by chance it either gives birth to a new star or it results in a blackhole iirc

The location isn't in line with the other four pillars because the black hole formation isn't something that generally happens to all stars

[ashen warren]

So stardust = remains of a star's corpse or black hole which... is the remains of a star's corpse

[olive bolt]

It does fit, but the name itself sounds odd. The first thing that comes to mind isn't really "pillar" when I think of a blackhole.

[ashen warren]

yea i see no issue

[sacred thorn]

tbh the blackhole is more of a mutated birth but ok

[ashen warren]

"Nebula - the birth of a star"

[sacred thorn]

"blackhole is more of a mutated birth "

[ashen warren]

It's still a birth

It ends up being a copy of nebula and stardust

[sacred thorn]

let's just go with it

[olive bolt]

What about the "void pillar"? Not the best name, but it could invoke some curiosity about what it is similarly to the other pillars.

[sacred thorn]

honestly alot better

[ashen warren]

In the eagle nebula there's this cool thing called the 'Pillars of Creation' so maybe a 'Creation Fragment'?
I chose the Pillars of Creation for a very obvious reason
I think it fits the 'everything' bit about an all-class armor
If creation isn't fancy enough then maybe 'Genesis Fragments'?

[sacred thorn]

good idea and the fragment could be gained from every pillar like that fragment in thorium

[ashen warren]

You mean in every mod that adds fragments?

[sacred thorn]

only got to post cultist in thorium, thats it

dont know any other mod fragment additions

[ashen warren]

Tremor and sacred tools are the 2 that spring to mind immediately

Tremor adds another pillar in the deadass center of the map and it sucks, just like everything else in that mod

[tulip parcel]

Tremor more like

Bad

[ashen warren]

~~yea i haven't played tremor so i didn't know ~~

[sacred thorn]

isnt there Tremor remastered?

[ashen warren]

That is the tremor mod

[sacred thorn]

even the remastered sucks?

[ashen warren]

Especially the remastered

[sacred thorn]

how bad was the original then?

[ashen warren]

Tremor remastered is literally just an update

They named it that so people would DL it

[sacred thorn]

huh

[cyan lagoon]

yes everyone and their dog and their dog's fleas and their flea's cells knows tremor sucks

#other-mod-talk if we're gonna continue tremor bash

[sacred thorn]

nah was just curious about it

[ashen warren]

There wasn't any more to talk about anyway

[tulip parcel]

Not sure what to suggest after lihzahrd

I’m creatively tapped at the moment

[sacred thorn]

Sequence, you good with "void pillar"?

[ashen warren]

I honestly don't care one way or another

I think all-class is a bad idea but whatever floats your boat

[sacred thorn]

im going for thrower class pillar, what you talking about?

[tulip parcel]

But xeroc is throwing now

[ashen warren]

legit i thought you were suggesting an all-class pillar since xeroc is throwing

[sacred thorn]

i thought xeroc also had armor for every other class

[tulip parcel]

No it’s just throw now

I think

[ashen warren]

"Made Xeroc Armor a throwing-based armor set to compliment the other lunar sets." in what way does this imply "I made 4 new helmets for xeroc"?

[sacred thorn]

...oops

[lost agate]

Nvm, i didnt post anything

[topaz flint]

will the mewmere shoot tiny cats..?

[candid timber]

Possibly, but like I said, it's up to the devs what they wanna do with it

[tulip parcel]

Absolutely not

Wait is mewmere your patron item?

My patron item is pretty underway from what I’ve heard so far

[cyan lagoon]

No

[tulip parcel]

There’s a sprite cob! A sprite!

I can look at it!

[topaz flint]

if I ever had money for patron

and got a patron item

basicly it would be magic missle style weapon

[heady comet]

Calamitous essence

[cyan lagoon]

Its an exception....

....apparently

[alpine garnet]

it'd be nice for the people going for nohit role

and I guess people who want to test weps on a certain boss

[rapid folio]

just realized calamitous essence is just for shadowspec bars, my b

[ashen warren]

Nah, calamitous is technically a loophole to the shadowspec rule afaik

[rapid folio]

Eh, don't wanna risk it though

[hollow shell]

You can.

[lost agate]

having bumblebirbs spawn naturally?

that sounds fairly annoying

[ashen warren]

The small ones

[tulip parcel]

I think it’s fine

[lost agate]

still, they do some serious damage

[ashen warren]

They die in a few seconds with most post-DoG weps

[tulip parcel]

Plus it’s a source of effulgent feathers

[hollow shell]

Even if they do serious damage..

I think that's a good thing

[ashen warren]

I'm for it because normal enemies become worthless post-ml

[hollow shell]

Make the world be more of a threat at that point in the game

yeah

[ashen warren]

damnit sors that was literally what i was typing

[hollow shell]

Prolly cuz it's a good idea

[tulip parcel]

@olive bolt that already exists

Devourer of Gods?

At least in the gravity manipulation aspect if nothing else

[devout seal]

Also

No Boss Suggestions.

[olive bolt]

It's not directly related to the Astral meteor

[marsh vapor]

Boss suggestions are never accepted

[olive bolt]

Oh whoops

[tulip parcel]

That too

Also also even if you -did- have a chance of a boss being accepted

Your suggestion is so vague it’s completely unhelpful

Like what would the boss be

What would it look like

What does it do

[hollow shell]

Devourer of Gods' debuffs involve gravity manipulation

[tulip parcel]

What does it drop

What strength is it?

[hollow shell]

Vorbis this is superfluous

Your advice means nothing cuz even if he included all that it still wouldn't be accepted

[tulip parcel]

Yes but it’s applicable elsewhere sors

[hollow shell]

Elsewhere?

[tulip parcel]

I’m using the lens of his boss suggestion to say

Make suggestions specific

Details

You need them

And a lot of them

[hollow shell]

Usually.

If you're suggesting a new weapon or item or enemy, yeah

But for QoL stuff you don't really need it

[tulip parcel]

Hell for something that could be said as “imagine if the mayans made metal gears and had magic, and they hate you”

I wrote out a six page google doc (with someone’s help) to fully elaborate on that

And currently it’s almost at 120 stars, which is rare as hell

People need and appreciate detail

[olive bolt]

I was just suggesting the idea of an interesting mechanic a post moonlord astral meteor boss could have if there ever is one implemented. Also by gravity manipulation I meant possibly moving players around the screen (limited to allow resistance to being moved) <-- probably should've mentioned this in the suggestion.

[hollow shell]

Like the Distorted debuff?

[lost agate]

Boss suggestions arent accepted tho

[hollow shell]

Indeed

[ashen warren]

Mini bosses are though

[marsh vapor]

What does a checkered flag next to a suggestion mean?

[lost agate]

That it has been or will be implemented

[marsh vapor]

cool

[sleek wigeon]

I dont see the point in having diving helms or jelly necklaces being craftable

they arent that rare

[lost agate]

They kinda are

[sleek wigeon]

Not really

1% chance from a common mob and a statue mob

for both of them

diving helm might be 2 or 5%

[lost agate]

But luck can ass blast you and dont get it drop or just cant find a statue

[sleek wigeon]

Not to mention they are affected by defiled

[hollow shell]

I've had a lot of trouble getting both in the past

[devout seal]

um

aren't they really easy to get now

[lost agate]

?

[hollow shell]

Why?

[devout seal]

the diving helmet and stuff

[hollow shell]

Diving Helmet maybe, because Trashers drop them and they have a way higher spawn rate than Sharks
but the necklace?

[sleek wigeon]

Jellyfish are absurdly easy to farm

[frosty kindle]

i don't even need to farm jelly necklace most of the time tbh

i usually make to with just having them drop while i wait for ???? to spawn

[marsh vapor]

just zerg in the ocean you'll have it in no time

[frosty kindle]

diving helmet isn't too hard to get even in normal ocean

[sleek wigeon]

Even easier if you happen upon a shark statue

Can get a diving helm before even visting an ocean

[marsh vapor]

Farming is a joke when you have statues

[pliant bone]

Oceans have too many ocean chests nowadays tbh

[hollow shell]

That's just RNG

my last playthrough only had 2

[pliant bone]

o

[ashen warren]

I get ocean chests more often outside of oceans than in them

[pliant bone]

Tho Im sure some spawn in underground waters

[hollow shell]

Ye

[ashen warren]

Hell, there was a little divot in my surface jungle that had one once

[hollow shell]

They're "Water" chests

Can spawn in Sky Lakes too

[pliant bone]

Wut

[marsh vapor]

It's still underwater, is it not?

[pliant bone]

Yep

[frosty kindle]

hey Rover fancy you mention RNG

[hollow shell]

What about it

[pliant bone]

Are ice biomes guranteed to have an ice temple btw or nah?

[hollow shell]

I think they are, yeah

[frosty kindle]

a few things
lets just say ridiculously good worldgen and even an RNG yoyo suggestion i made

[pliant bone]

Just praise RNG that the ice temple has an artic diving gear

[frosty kindle]

yeah ice temples should be guaranteed on worldgen, provided no other mods heavily conflict with such

[plush juniper]

Ice Temples spawn with Arctic Diving Gear? Interesting.

[hollow shell]

Some do

[pliant bone]

Sometimes

[hollow shell]

also it's Ice Tomb

[pliant bone]

I mean, it looks like a temple tbh

[hollow shell]

looks more like a pyramid

[pliant bone]

eh

[marsh vapor]

I think it's officially an ice pyramid

[hollow shell]

It was

but it's now called Ice Tomb

[marsh vapor]

oh

[hollow shell]

The gen is literally the same as pyramids though, lol

just with Ice Blocks

[pliant bone]

Either Artic Diving gear, Ice shell smth and idk what else

[hollow shell]

Blizzard Balloon

[pliant bone]

Ah

[hollow shell]

Anyway why are we talkin about this?

[plush juniper]

I don't think a player should be forced to find a statue or sit around forever waiting for mobs to spawn just for a chance at a 5%> drop. If Zerg Potions were available I'd be less liable to making my suggestion. Regardless, it's totally on devs to decide whether it's a decent idea.

[pliant bone]

Because abyss diving gear suggestion

[frosty kindle]

related to a suggestion for obtaining diving gear parts

[hollow shell]

Fair enough

[plush juniper]

I don't think a recipe or fishing drop would be too game-breaking.

[ashen warren]

Can I suggest adding that ice-themed thing the Travelling Merchant sells to the Ice Tomb chest pool?

[hollow shell]

Nah, you can already also get it from Ice Claspers

too many ways to get it

[ashen warren]

Hey look we're relevant again

[pliant bone]

You shouldnt be really be going to the abyss pre-skele anyway which after skele, you can craft zergs now.

[ashen warren]

Wait that thing drops from Claspers?

[pliant bone]

And mechanic

[hollow shell]

Ye, it does

[ashen warren]

And at a 10% chance, jeez. I've never seen one drop from them iirc

[hollow shell]

RIP

[pliant bone]

Claspers spawns way too often for me lol

[ashen warren]

I always just buy it from the merch

[pliant bone]

The summon items fills up my inventory when I was farming for cryo key ingredients

[ashen warren]

Idk I might have seen it like once

[plush juniper]

I mean you can go to Abyss pre-skeletron. That's my plan in my current playthrough, or was. It's just so many rare drops makes the construction tedious without either zerg potions or statues. Either way, that's all I've got at the moment.

[hollow shell]

Well if you're using Zerg or Battle then you can expect a lot of em

[pliant bone]

But why ever go to abyss pre-skele?

You dont have shadow key

[hollow shell]

Yeah, what's there?

[frosty kindle]

technically, halibut if RNGesus likes you

[hollow shell]

true

[pliant bone]

abort run if obtain halibut tbh

[frosty kindle]

speaking of halibut, since the nerf, at what point can it go up to now?

i havent really used it to know

[plush juniper]

Ooh, I forgot about the Shadow Key req. I guess Halibut are a thing.

[pliant bone]

PreHM Halibut is still stupid

[hollow shell]

I actually obtained it in mid-Hardmode during my last Ranger playthrough
(I immediately sighed and facepalmed when I got it)

It was the best weapon in my arsenal but not by a huge margin

Served me till Moon Lord

[frosty kindle]

aye, thats still really good tbh

a technically pre-boss weapon

[ashen warren]

An item that you can get at the beginning that goes until ML is very strong

slimy saddle

[plush juniper]

I still just don't like the grind, but I guess the fact that you can get a zerg potion by the point you can actually access chests down there is enough to make me second-guess my recommendation.

Slime Mount

[hollow shell]

I feel like it's still valid to suggest recipes for Diving Helmet and Jellyfish Necklace simply by the fact that they're RNG-based to obtain and they're both near-required to explore the Abyss

[frosty kindle]

i'd still keep it incase people agree with your suggestion, because it is still valid to some extent tbh

[ashen warren]

You'd be surprised how handicapped I am without an instant descend mango

[plush juniper]

I'll keep it, I'm just saying that there is some good argument against it.

[hollow shell]

"instant descend mango" is a great name for a special attack

[plush juniper]

Or a band name

[ashen warren]

I want a wrestler to use that attack

[plush juniper]

Well, either way, thanks for entertaining my idea. I'm super happy to see that there's a space for suggestions here.

Now to shitpost about wanting the old DoG Deathmode mechanic back

[hollow shell]

Wait, which one?

[plush juniper]

"This is getting out of hand. Now there are two of them!"

[hollow shell]

That was Revengeance mode

and yes I miss that too

[ashen warren]

I loved the 2 DoGs mechanic

[plush juniper]

oh heck, was it? Even better

[hollow shell]

(I think that was a mechanic before Death Mode existed)

[plush juniper]

I sadly wasn't around for those days. I was however around for the spinning magic man

[ashen warren]

I remember how intense it was to use the elemental lance and slowly manage to whittle both down below (10% right?) health

Sprinting across the world

[hollow shell]

Yeah it was fucking awesome

[plush juniper]

Make it a new mechanic for Super Death Mode™. /s

[hollow shell]

My first Calamity playthrough with a friend had that
Big long skybridge, crocodile-mouth-DoG, Last Battle Ballos Mix

[ashen warren]

Does fab still have that version of calamity?

[hollow shell]

and of course it was buggy as shit

[arctic wren]

life hack

about the abyss thing above

[ashen warren]

Cause putting that in mod_downloads would be swank

[arctic wren]

zen if a boss is alive
... including the wall of flesh

[hollow shell]

Nah that'd be a fuckfest Sequence

[ashen warren]

like i care

[hollow shell]

o

[arctic wren]

basically you can do the zen potion trick to go into the dungeon early by abusing that

... I'm guessing at least

[ashen warren]

You can't zen anymore

[arctic wren]

"zen effect if a boss is alive"

[ashen warren]

No pre-skeletron alchemy table

Ah

[arctic wren]

spawn wof on one world border, immediately kill yourself

wof takes 200 years to get to the otherside, use that to look for a shadow key

[plush juniper]

wait, how well does that work? that's genius

[arctic wren]

you need to be really lucky to actually get a shadow key, though

[ashen warren]

Dodging EoC is also pretty easy if you wanna try that

[arctic wren]

need to find a non-locked dungeon chest, which always contains a gold key, then get a shadow key from the one or two chests per dungeon you can open

[ashen warren]

Pots drop keys

[arctic wren]

they do?

okay that increases the amount you could get
how commonly though

[plush juniper]

Still requires a bit of luck, I'd imagine it's fairly uncommon

[ashen warren]

"Below the surface level, regular drop
has a chance to be replaced by:
Golden Key (1/40) 1 "

[plush juniper]

Maybe an extra chest or two, which is a lot given you're fairly limited.

Stealing that idea before it's patched

[arctic wren]

next update
"dungeon guardian no longer effected by boss alive zen potion effect"

[ashen warren]

If you seek out every pot you very likely have at least 5 golden keys

If you find a wooden chest as well you basically have shadow key

That that's with bad rng

[plush juniper]

You underestimate the shittiness of my luck

I burnt all my drop luck on a second kill Community drop

500 years bad luck from now on

[ashen warren]

I get community on first kill so commonly it isn't even funny

[frosty kindle]

same tbh

too many damn communities

[arctic wren]

community first kill every kill

[frail mantle]

i burned all my luck on first kill briny baron

[frosty kindle]

RNG club right here

[plush juniper]

Next update: Community drop rate nerfed.

[ashen warren]

rip everyone else but me and my insane luck 90% of the time

[frosty kindle]

mine is around 95% the time

[plush juniper]

Can Terraria drop chances even be non-integers?

[frosty kindle]

and getting things like yharim crystal isnt even a problem

[arctic wren]

next update: if your name is sequence, community has a one in a million drop rate

[hollow shell]

Yes, Mango

[plush juniper]

oh no

[hollow shell]

Because they're fractions in-code

[plush juniper]

Fair enough

[frosty kindle]

meaning they can be things like: 0.1%

[hollow shell]

Some things are

[frosty kindle]

anything that is 0.1% drop chance is actually 100% drop chance for me

[plush juniper]

That's what half my drop grinds feel like

[ashen warren]

Adding a buff and a debuff would be a pretty big silva/auric nerf

There are already too little buff slots

[hollow shell]

Aren't there over 20?

Yeah, 22 max

I feel like a buff indicator for the Silva revive activation is definitely necessary. It's very odd that there is only a particle effect at the moment

On a separate note
@left crag Can you edit it now?

I wanna send it in but I also don't wanna confuse the message

[rich wagon]

Does anyone think that a Damage Reduction modifier would be good on accessories? It would scale sort of the same way as the rest of the modifiers.

[ashen warren]

1:1 defense would be fine

1 Defense = 1 less damage

still pretty bad but not as bad

[lunar berry]

hmm

mb idk

[ruby cobalt]

Too bad defense is 2:1.

[ashen warren]

Fab changed rev defense to the expert mode calc for a reason though

[ruby cobalt]

To expert?

[rich wagon]

wait def is 2:1

dang......

[ruby cobalt]

Oh, no, no, no.

[ashen warren]

it's below expert wow

[rich wagon]

5/8

[ruby cobalt]

And it's going to go back to normal calc again.

[rich wagon]

did I calculate correctly

oh

nononononononono

[frail mantle]

@wicked swift maybe the crafting recipes should have some rev exclusive item to make them rev exclusive

[wicked swift]

There aren't many rev exclusive items, and pretty much all of them are accessories

[frail mantle]

[tired haven]

How about adding a rev material drop to evil bosses (eow/boc) that is solely used for crafting these two weps?

[frail mantle]

^

[fossil torrent]

Purple im not sure thats possible

[quasi fable]

No please

[tired haven]

(or could act as weak accessory as well but that doesn't really fit with weapons)

[frail mantle]

Pure essence
Drops from BoC and EoW
Used to craft the Marked magnum, Golden Gun and Lunic Eye
Revengeance exclusive

[wicked swift]

Yeah essence sounds better

[fossil torrent]

Better idea

Pure Essence sounds good

[wicked swift]

Doesn't really have anything to do with the weapons tho

[fossil torrent]

And this way they dont have to go through a horrible shitbunch of voding to make it disabled

Just make it some kind of bar then

”Magnum Bar”

[frail mantle]

They deal pure damage

[wicked swift]

Golden gun shouldn't be crafted with it, as that's actually useful below rev

[frail mantle]

^

[wicked swift]

The one who suggested it agrees with me

Marked essence because essence sounds good and it inflicts marked for death

[fossil torrent]

Yes but wtf is "marked essence"

it doesn't make sense

"Magnum Essence" maybe

?

[ashen warren]

Karmic essence

You're 'Marked for death'

Or wanted for crimes

[fossil torrent]

no

shut

[ashen warren]

Sans?

Lol no

[worthy fiber]

"Karmic Retribution" or something like that

[ashen warren]

Karma is way cooler than the sans poison clone shit

It's a universal balance system

[fossil torrent]

or something astral related

"Astral Essence"

[brave warren]

lol just add a warning in the tooltip that it’s only useful rev+
duh

[ashen warren]

It already has astral essence

Stardust

[fossil torrent]

._.

[ashen warren]

At least, the lunic eye does

Marked magnum isn't even close to astral themed anyway

[fossil torrent]

WoF drops astric essence
BoC/EoW drops magnum essence

I think pure essence sound the best, though

Doesn't not thematically fit with the weapons

[ashen warren]

But it doesn't fit either

[fossil torrent]

It fits better than marked essence

Marked essence just doesn't make sense

[ashen warren]

Don't settle for average

[fossil torrent]

explain what it is

Marked essence is below average

[ashen warren]

Like i said

Karmic essence

[fossil torrent]

No that's also stupid

[ashen warren]

how

[fossil torrent]

How would it not be stupid

How does karma fit into this ordeal

[frail mantle]

True essence, since they deal true damage

[ruby cobalt]

you're stupid tbh

[ashen warren]

whatever

[fossil torrent]

me?

[ashen warren]

Bye

[ruby cobalt]

Those all were fine names.

[fossil torrent]

well sorry then.

but drh

explain "marked essence"

what is it

[worthy fiber]

A better name?

[fossil torrent]

Pure essence!

[radiant meadow]

@low hedge Asenath's Staff would replace Sun God staff in the Cosmic Immaterializer recipe, right?

[low hedge]

shoor

[frail mantle]

@fossil torrent so the Phoenix spear is just a spear counterpart to the Phoenix blade?

[fossil torrent]

Yes

So i can make a really fuckin large spear too

[frail mantle]

Cool, true melee needs some love

[fossil torrent]

Should make a shortsword

eh later

[frail mantle]

[civic rampart]

Replace the pheonix blade in exo blade crafting tree

[frail mantle]

^

[fossil torrent]

^^

hope fab sees this

I think it’s a genuinely good suggestion

Maybe not as large as 2.5x though

[marsh gust]

why dont u have them 3 separated tho?

[frail mantle]

^

[fossil torrent]

Because its basically the same suggestion

[marsh gust]

the blade one?

[fossil torrent]

I can seperate them when i get home tho

[frail mantle]

i think that’s a good idea

[fossil torrent]

I just wanted it to gather stars collectively

Should i do this:
abc
b
c

[marsh gust]

thats the reason why it shouldnt be one suggestion >.> so they dont have to pick both if they only like one

[fossil torrent]

Ye i guess

[wicked swift]

How is MARKED essence not related to weapons that inflict MARKED FOR DEATH?

[ruby cobalt]

but why's the essence marked

lO

[fossil torrent]

Yes thats what i meant drh

Thematically it makes sense but

What does ”marked essence” mean it’s not logical

[wicked swift]

Hmm... I have an idea

How about that?

[fossil torrent]

still doesnt make sense

[tired haven]

Marking essense tbh

(lul)

[civic rampart]

The mark?

[fossil torrent]

Zuckerberg

[marsh gust]

🙃
📖

[ashen warren]

Sounds cool mrrp

Any reason you aren't starring it?

[sinful violet]

self starring is dumb

but i'll just take mine off once it's up i guess

[raw patio]

I gave it a star :p

[sinful violet]

i was checkin over the mage stuff, and since alpha ray is getting tweaked and climax is meta (fuck meta) I wanted to give it some more tomes

[ashen warren]

Would it fire a wave like toward your cursor

Or would it just spiral in all directions from your character

[sinful violet]

it would be like nuclear fury-esque attacks

[ashen warren]

Ah

[sinful violet]

so yeah

second option

[fossil torrent]

Resumitted and split up my suggestion

[neon panther]

did anything change other than format?

[fossil torrent]

In my post?

[neon panther]

yeah

[fossil torrent]

no.

[neon panther]

then you should delete the original one

[ruby cobalt]

And this too.

[fossil torrent]

shit

[ruby cobalt]

Mhm.

[fossil torrent]

Changed.

[lost agate]

Its still there

[fossil torrent]

Yes but included in the elysian lance post, instead of being seperate from them

[lost agate]

Why tf dont you just delete it?

[fossil torrent]

i did delete the seperate one? It's there to clarifiy why i reposted it

[fossil torrent]

Kept that one because it has stars. Do you want me to delete it?

[neon panther]

i mean you reposted the same thing but with different format

so probably

[opal barn]

You reposted it, there's no need for 2 of the same suggestions

[neon panther]

technically you shouldnt of even reposted it until a week had passed but whatev

[fossil torrent]

I guess.

Rest in peace, stars.

[neon panther]

also uh

250% size of phoenix blade

thats a big boye

[tulip parcel]

Dried Scalebloat
Pre-Hardmode Desert Enemy

A brown, cracked, diseased looking humanoid fish, akin to the mermen found in the snowy underground in hardmode. Rather than running at the player, the Dried Scalebloat crawls slowly towards them, dragging itself with its hands, dealing very little damage on contact. Drops nothing on death.

If fully submerged into water - sulphurous sea water or honey will kill it instead - the Dried Scalebloat transforms into a Dried Merfolk.

Dried Merfolk
Pre-Hardmode Town NPC

Looking much less sickly than the Dried Scalebloat, the Dried Merfolk is an NPC that requires slightly different housing to accomodate him. The house does not need a light source, but instead must be completely filled with water.

Dried Merfolk has a similar aesthetic to the Desert Scourge, with vestigial eyes and cracked, brown skin. When it speaks, it talks in choppy, short, few-word sentences, as a result of having broken vocal chords as well as barely understanding the language of the surface. However, it is extremely grateful to the Terrarian at all times, as well as making several references to Amidias and the Siren. Initially, the Dried Merfolk sells only fish. As certain bosses are killed, the Dried Merfolk's inventory expands to include many more types of fish, as well as crates and rare varieties of "fish", such as the fishing weapons. The bosses that expand his inventory are:

Desert Scourge - begins to "fishing" accessories - Sailfish Boots, Tsunami in a bottle, Frog Leg, Balloon Pufferfish, etc. Additionally sells a few varieties of other fish, such as salmon.
Hive Mind/Perferators - begins to sell pre-hardmode potion ingredient fish, as well as usable prehardmode fish, such as Hemopiranha, Double Cod, Reaver Shark, etc.
Aquatic Scourge - begins to sell hardmode potion ingredient fish, such as the Princess Fish, Prismite, Bladetongue, Obsidian Swordfish, etc.
Siren & Leviathan - begins to sell all varieties of crate, including both corruption and crimson crates. Does not sell Golden Crates.
Duke Fishron - begins to sell Depth Cells and Lumenyl.

how does this look? The idea is to have an NPC that resulted from the whole "scouring of the desert" deal

[fossil torrent]

looks good

[ruby cobalt]

yo that's actually cool

[fossil torrent]

the stuff he sells after desert scourge looks pretty op though

[ruby cobalt]

dunno how possible it is from coding stance, but yea, it's cool

[tulip parcel]

the scrooge exists so it might work

[fossil torrent]

just being able to buy all those movement accessories

It's also a good way to "alchemistNPC"ify calamity

[ruby cobalt]

It will be shot down by devs rather quickly though, because "if you don't need to work for items and you can buy them - yeah well fuck this ain't happening"

[tulip parcel]

aw but it's cool though

[fossil torrent]

yeah, thats what i meant

[tulip parcel]

:<

[fossil torrent]

maybe nerf it a bit

[tulip parcel]

how do I nerf this?

[fossil torrent]

idfk

[tulip parcel]

like... maybe put the axe on fishing accessories?

or maybe move them to post perf

[fossil torrent]

make it not sell the potion fish

yeah move em to post perfs

maybe make it like the scrooge, it gives you a fish per day? can sometimes give a crate?

[tulip parcel]

how strong are the weaponfish

[fossil torrent]

hardmode ones?

put em post cryogen or aqua boi

[tulip parcel]

hmm, I'll...

oh, wait

no I know how I do this

[fossil torrent]

or the hammershark tier?

[tulip parcel]

okay no here's how I change it

[fossil torrent]

I can suggest my change

hol up

[tulip parcel]

initially, it only gives you one fish per day

like

one "fishing result"

it will never be junk and will always correspond to the biome its house is in

and as you kill bosses its "fishing power" increases, as well as the amount of "fishing results" that it can bring

as well as expanding its available pool of results

perhaps capping at 6 after sharkron

maybe improving the pool as time goes on

@ruby cobalt what do you think of that change?

[fossil torrent]

Has a Shop and a "Collect Fish" button. Collect Fish give you normal fish. It sells Starfish, Seashells and Coral, and fished up junk.
Desert Scourge - begins to sell "fishing" accessories, that drop from Desert Scourge, although for a pretty high price. Makes the "Collect Fish" button give you two fish.
Hive Mind/Perferators - Makes the "Collect Fish" button give prehardmode potion material fish at a small chance, and low-tier bait. Shop: It starts to sell Reaver Shark, Hammershark, Rockfish, Purple Clubberfish, Swordfish, and Sawtooth Shark. Very high price, a platinum or two. Bombfish, double price of bombs. "Collect Fish" gives 3 fish.
Aquatic Scourge -"Collect Fish" begins to give you Hardmode potion fish, like Princess Fish, Prismite, , etc. "Collect Fish" gives you 4 fish. Raises chance to get pre-Hardmode potion fish. Shop: It starts to sell bait, Obsidian Swordfish, Bladetounge, Toxicarp and Crystal Serpent.
Siren & Leviathan - Collect Fish has a chance to give all kinds of Crates, except Golden Crates. "Collect Fish" gives 5 fish.
Duke Fishron - begins to sell Depth Cells and Lumenyl. "Collect Fish" gives 6 fish.

here

@tulip parcel

[ruby cobalt]

Ye, that sounds good.

[fossil torrent]

which one

[fervent zealot]

h m, w h i c h o n e c o u l d h e m e a n ?

[fossil torrent]

The latest one or the one he was pinged in

it's not that clear

[fervent zealot]

it's probably the latest one

[ruby cobalt]

It isn't.

[fossil torrent]

see

don't jump to assumptions

[tulip parcel]

okay so give me a bit to rewrite it with that adjustment in mind...

[fossil torrent]

I changed a bit

think it's a bit less bullshit

since most of the stuff you actually have to work for, are outtiered when you can buy them

like reaver shork

[tulip parcel]

no like

[fossil torrent]

it's good but not as good as it is in early game

[tulip parcel]

I'm not even including the "shop"

[fossil torrent]

oh well then

[tulip parcel]

he's just going to be the "NPC that fishes"

[fossil torrent]

that's maybe a good idea

[tulip parcel]

give me a bit

[fossil torrent]

have it required to have a pond in his house

[tulip parcel]

it... I mean

his house -IS- a pond

didn't you see the housing requirement?

[fossil torrent]

I.. didn't.

[tulip parcel]

instead of needing a light source, his house needs to be full of water

[fossil torrent]

See it now.

That may be a problem to implement though

we'll see, i don't know how that works

[tulip parcel]

I mean... not really

wing of the world exists

[fossil torrent]

yeah, but that's not really the same thing as filling a house with water

[fervent zealot]

block and biome requirements are already possible,, but liquid requirements?

[fossil torrent]

^

[fervent zealot]

might be a bit far fetched

[tulip parcel]

...hm

maybe he gives you an item when you initially rehydrate him

and that item fulfills the requirement for his housing

[fervent zealot]

and the item constantly releases water and counts as a light source table and chair

[tulip parcel]

oh! no! see

[fossil torrent]

🗿

[tulip parcel]

the diseased scalebloat is this bloated thing right

[fossil torrent]

And i

[tulip parcel]

what if part of him rehydrating is his "item" sloughing out of his skin

[fossil torrent]

it's placed in water

[fervent zealot]

that also works

[tulip parcel]

like he's survived that long because he's had it with him

[fossil torrent]

make him give you a thing that has to be placed in water

so you have to have water in his house

so he can fish in it

because terraria logic

[tulip parcel]

Dried Scalebloat
Pre-Hardmode Desert Enemy

A brown, cracked, diseased looking humanoid fish, akin to the mermen found in the snowy underground in hardmode. Rather than running at the player, the Dried Scalebloat crawls slowly towards them, dragging itself with its hands, dealing very little damage on contact. Additionally, amid his bloated mass of scale and sand, a strange statue head is on his back, trickling water as a cosmetic effect. The Dried Scalebloat drops nothing on death.

If fully submerged into water - sulphurous sea water or honey will kill it instead - the Dried Scalebloat transforms into a Dried Merfolk. Additionally, it will drop the "Amidias' Regret" as an item for the player.

Amidias' Regret
Pre-Hardmode Furniture

A stone statue head, which constantly leaks water from its eyes. Serves as a light source and table for the sake of housing. Must be placed underwater.
(1/3)

[fossil torrent]

[tulip parcel]

Dried Merfolk
Pre-Hardmode Town NPC

Looking much less sickly than the Dried Scalebloat, the Dried Merfolk is an NPC that requires slightly different housing to accomodate him. The Dried Merfolk will only move into a house with the Amidias' Regret furniture inside.

Dried Merfolk has a similar aesthetic to the Desert Scourge, with vestigial eyes and cracked, brown skin. When it speaks, it talks in choppy, short, few-word sentences, as a result of having broken vocal chords as well as barely understanding the language of the surface. However, it is extremely grateful to the Terrarian at all times, as well as making several references to Amidias and the Siren. Similar to the Miser, the Dried Merfolk has only one option when speaking to him; "Catch". When this option is used, the Dried Merfolk gives the player one item that would otherwise be only acquirable through fishing. This item may be a fish, a crate, an accessory, etc. However, just like fishing, basic fish are far more common. Additionally, Catch is only usable once per day, though it is free. Initially the Dried Merfolk is only able to catch basic fish, wooden crates, Frog Legs and Balloon Pufferfish.

As the player kills bosses, multiple things about Catch improve.
(2/3)

[oak sage]

So it's like a reverse Angler?

Put him in the water, not out.

[fossil torrent]

[oak sage]

f e e d h i m t o t h e s h a r k s

Angler makes you catch fish, dried merfolk catch fish for you

OOOO

What if you could pay the npc you catch quest fish for you?

to catch*

[fossil torrent]

in soviet calamiti terraria

npc fish for you

[oak sage]

^

/\

Vorbis is typing

[fossil torrent]

Making 3/3

[tulip parcel]

Desert Scourge - "Basic Fish" results grant two fish instead of one. Crates are slightly more common. Iron Crates are added to the pool.
Eye of Cthulu - "Crate Accessories" are added to the pool - Sailfish Boots and Tsunami in a Bottle. Catch now gives two results instead of one (re: a player may end up with 2 bass and 1 crate, 4 bass, etc.)
Crabulon - Pre-Hardmode Weapon Fish are added to the pool. Potion Ingredient Fish available to the Surface and Underground are added to the pool. (Note: Potion Fish are given in the same amount as Basic Fish, though not at the same occurence.)
Eater of Worlds/Brain of Cthulu - World Evil crates are added to the pool (both corruption and crimson) with extreme rarity. "Basic Fish" results grant four fish instead of two.
The Hive Mind/The Perforators - World Evil crates are made more common. Pre-Hardmode potion fish are added to the pool, with the same amount-per-result as Basic Fish. Reaver Shark is added to the pool.
Queen Bee - Jungle crates are added to the pool. Jungle and World Evil potion fish are added to the pool.
Skeletron - Dungeon Crates are added to the pool. Catch now gives three results instead of two.
Wall of Flesh - Pre-Hardmode Weaponfish are removed from the pool. Scaly Truffle and Obsidian Swordfish are added to the pool.
(3/4)

Cryogen - All biome-specific hardmode weapon fish are added to the pool (Toxikarp, Bladetongue, Crystal Serpent). Hallowed crates are added to the pool. Crates are made more common.
Aquatic Scourge - Abyss accessories are added to the pool. Catch now grants four results instead of three. "Basic Fish" results grant eight fish instead of four. Removes Reaver Shark from the pool.
Calamitas - Wooden Crates are removed from the pool, chance to catch crates increased.
Siren and Leviathan - Hardmode Weaponfish removed from pool. Dried Merfolk may now catch Siren weapons.
Astrum Deus - "Basic Fish" results grant sixteen fish instead of eight. Catch now grants five results instead of four.
Duke Fishron - Catch now grants six results instead of five. Getting a "basic fish" result adds one more result to the current Catch, once per Catch.
(4/4)

I ran out of ideas after duke fishron

[opal barn]

Please put that in a doc

[tulip parcel]

I will

[opal barn]

If you're gonna post that

[tulip parcel]

yep

[oak sage]

I have an idea.

Ok

It will nerf the damage output of Adrenaline and Rage, but will add something to compensate for it, and make it more unique and customizable, however it may be hard to implement

[cyan lagoon]

@oak sage @fossil torrent bad

[oak sage]

that was sad

[fossil torrent]

just told him to delete it, and instantly deleted it

[oak sage]

cries

[wise pollen]

Nerfing rage and adrenaline is extremely cursed

Like hit or miss spongebob levels of cursed

[teal shoal]

Tbh i'm fine with those

[radiant meadow]

Adrenaline is already nerfed

[ashen warren]

tbh I'm fine with those

Maybe that's because you beat bosses by getting hit as much as possible

[ashen warren]

That dried merfolk suggestion is friggin sweet

Terminus suggestion is also great

What is this

Normally people put no thought into their suggestions

[tulip parcel]

❤

dunno, today is just a good day I guess

I hope terminus gets in

[ashen warren]

"It’s about 250% the size of Phoenix Blade" that's like half the size of the screen

[neon panther]

^

[tulip parcel]

"its pretty big"

[ashen warren]

I honestly thought that lunar pillars were going to get lore

[sinful violet]

@neon panther That was the original plan.

Still nah, apparently

[ashen warren]

@neon panther I don't know if that'll sway Uncle Danny

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/226068663663329282/518470677242576905

[oak sage]

gah finnaly done

[ashen warren]

I have an idea for a weapon upgrade

It's a hardmode Abyss version of the Leaf Blower

And it'll be called the Reef Blower

Ayyy

[marsh gust]

tho leaf blower has an upgrade alrdy

mistlestorm

[ashen warren]

I know, but still

OG Spongebob

[wind flicker]

yes

[oak sage]

who wants a petition to add the reef blower to calamity

do it for spongebob

[sleek wigeon]

mistlestorm isnt really a leaf blower upgrade so much as it is a weapon with leaf blower in its recipe

[tulip parcel]

don't think dried merfolk is gonna hit 50, rip

[marsh gust]

it does since it shoots leaves out as well

[sleek wigeon]

Its only been 7 hours

[marsh gust]

not only needles

[heavy saffron]

I could see an explanation behind the once per day limit on 'Catch', perhaps it's a ritualistic prayer preformed daily which results in a harvest in the form of 'Catch'...idunno, I'm just here

[tulip parcel]

I mostly thought it was like "in a whole's day's fishing that's all he could get"

like, he's not a good fisherman, he's a fish

[heavy saffron]

oh, that works too

[ashen warren]

Maybe different quotes when you click catch?

"this isn't much but it's something" "i hope this will help" "good haul today" etc

Good haul being for around siren-ish

That sorta thing

[tulip parcel]

well it'd probably be more like "Good... fish... today?"

remember the whole "bad vocal chords and english"

[ashen warren]

"Not.. much.... here.." maybe? for when he's just learning to fish

[topaz flint]

hm

[tulip parcel]

well I mean... should I go back and edit it

that doesn't seem right to do

[ashen warren]

Devs will probably choose dialogue anyway tbh

Mostly so they know what you were aiming for

[devout seal]

@mystic glade We have that, look at the reactions, there's a green checkmark if it's been sent.
If it's an idea that's been sent multiple times by different people, it's a blue checkmark, meaning it's been sent before.

[mystic glade]

im talking of something like cause some people dont look at past suggestions and people dont want to go through all the suggestions looking to see which ones have been sent before

[ashen warren]

A doc with all suggestions that get above 50 stars?

[oak sage]

welp i wasted my tiem

[earnest raptor]

Milky Stream
Post-Cultist Magic weapon
Directs cosmic flare's streams
On using from the player's position appear white 10-20 cosmic projectiles, was superfast fly in a vector's direction, which ends on a cursor position. Doesn't pierce.

Craft: 12 Meld Bars @ Ancient Manipulator or bought from Drunk Princess as 80 gold.

: Lunar Flares-like weapon, was attack from any direction - which weapon are more cool? And also Xeroc-tier needs a variability.

[ashen warren]

"Milky Stream" get a new name ASAP

[heady comet]

Its perfect

[oak sage]

Shanakor's suggestion does not make sence, 3 spears is roughly the same size as a Nebulash

Golden shower, milky stream

perfect

[brazen wedge]

yass

[earnest raptor]

Woman's love?

[oak sage]

im sad

[earnest raptor]

Changed back.

[ashen warren]

oof

Btw bothacked

Your suggestion realistically boils down to "What if rage/adrenaline were nerfed but you got fancy abilities?"

[oak sage]

wait trash changed the name

[ashen warren]

There are no items etc

[oak sage]

they said ideas, you want me to go and sprite items, script them, and everything else?

[ashen warren]

Look for any exo-weapon suggestion that has gotten above 50 stars

You'll see that while stats will be removed the general mechanics are all described

You gave one item

[oak sage]

what

why would I give them items, we are talking about a new mechanic and a revamped version of rage and adrenaline, not items

[ashen warren]

...

"To make up for it, you can now right click their respective bars to open up
a UI where you can place an item ( this item will behave similar to accessories )."

[sleek wigeon]

(picture proof)

[oak sage]

you misunderstood it, i see what you mean now

I ment items

heavy facepalm

[ashen warren]

You misunderstand

[oak sage]

how...

[ashen warren]

I said you only gave one item because "For example, one item might reduce the damage of adrenaline by 50% or more (even thought this is just a suggestion, it would likely be a 75% reduced adrenaline damage , as 50% would be op), but will boost your defence/damage reduction for the next minute and provide magic healing (Regardless of weapon) for the next 10 seconds."

[sleek wigeon]

Honestly

[oak sage]

It was an example. I was trying to give ideas about what it could possibly do.

[ashen warren]

You were on a start there but then you just went on and on about shit people don't really care about

Except for the "Why it might be a good addition"

[sleek wigeon]

Fuck vague shit and fuck complexity when it comes to this suggestion

Its a big chance for not a lot of interesting shit

And completely disregards the reason for adren and rage existing

[ashen warren]

The TL;DR is actually everything in the doc except for the "why?" and the one item suggestion essentially

It could be a good suggestion idk but there isn't anything there to judge

All whipped cream but no pie etc

[oak sage]

Where are you getting "one item" from?

[sleek wigeon]

The one idea for an item in this mechanic from

you dummy

You gave one example of a potential item/ idea that works with this mechanic

That wasnt super duper vague

[oak sage]

How does someone even reach the levels of stupidity where they do not even know what they wrote?

[ashen warren]

I don't know why you're attacking yourself now..

[sleek wigeon]

I dont know, ask yourself

[oak sage]

And now your taking my words and warping them...

[sleek wigeon]

We arent warping shit

We are taking the words exactly as how they appear

[oak sage]

"I don't know why you're attacking yourself now.."

[sleek wigeon]

Its heavily implied thats you

[ashen warren]

smh i give up

i tried

[sleek wigeon]

No you didnt

[oak sage]

Tried to do what?

[sleek wigeon]

Get back here

[ashen warren]

sigh To get across that your suggestion was really badly done

Without sounding like an asshat

The presentation was awful

Like I said

The suggestion if it was presented better could be good I don't know but so far I haven't seen anything of real substance

Then I delivered an analogy "All whipped cream but no pie" referencing that whipped cream looks nice enough but it doesn't fill you up

[oak sage]

I counted 7 possible different items.

[ashen warren]

"Such as summoning temporary minions to help in battle (that are unaffected by the summoner damage revengeance thing you know what im talking about) or activating a special attack."?

I guess it boils down to elaborate, your suggestion is really, really vague

[oak sage]

Those are examples, but then again, you could make those an ability item, just like most of the stuff.

I get what you are saying to an extent. Mind If I elaborate?

[ashen warren]

Elaborate in the doc

Also

Post. Suggestions. Here. First.

People will discuss

You can fix them before they get judged as a real suggestion rather than an idea and this would never have happened

Or at least, not as badly

[oak sage]

You know the split mod?

[ashen warren]

Nope

[oak sage]

ok

Could you tell me what is vague about the document?

[ashen warren]

I'll write up a thing and send it then i'll go back to what i was doing before

[oak sage]

ok?

That seems like a lot of trouble.

[ashen warren]

I decided to do a theoretical item that isn't vague to illustrate my point

Signus' Cloak
Enchantment
Equipped in adrenaline slot

Crafted from 10 silk and 1 twisting nether (i'm not going too in depth because this is a skeleton suggestion)

Upon activating your adrenaline burst you enter a stealth that removes all aggro and doubles the effect of adrenaline however when you get hit adrenaline immediately cancels (like when you get hit while raging)

Again, skeleton suggestion that I thought up in 2 seconds however it's far better than: "Maybe an item that increases adrenaline damage at a cost"

[neon panther]

I haven't read through it all but I highly doubt the devs are gonna completely re-work rage and adrenaline lol

I'll read it though

[oak sage]

Thats what I said^

It is a lot of work

Also, Sequence, I did not think I needed to put in item descriptions. That would help make it make more sense in the long run.

[ashen warren]

You don't even need to go to the extent that I went to

[oak sage]

Thanks for the feedback.

[ashen warren]

You could've said something like "As an example, an item that upon activating your adrenaline burst you enter a stealth that removes all aggro and doubles the effect of adrenaline however when you get hit adrenaline immediately cancels (like when you get hit while raging)"

Which is still far better than "Maybe an item that increases adrenaline damage at a cost"

You also used a lot of filler and repeating of ideas

That's why I said you only really suggested one item because there's only one that you elaborate on

"For example, one item might reduce the damage of adrenaline by 50% or more (even thought this is just a suggestion, it would likely be a 75% reduced adrenaline damage , as 50% would be op), but will boost your defence/damage reduction for the next minute and provide magic healing (Regardless of weapon) for the next 10 seconds."

[oak sage]

I was not trying to suggest items. Chances are I got caught up in giving examples, and that caused me to fail.

[neon panther]

I would be more likely to star it if it had some more examples tbh

[ashen warren]

^

[tulip parcel]

Hey so question

What would people think of flashlights as weapons

[oak sage]

Lightsabers

[tulip parcel]

Classless weapons specifically

No see it’s not a lightsaber

[ashen warren]

Like a beam weapon?

[tulip parcel]

Kinda yeah

[ashen warren]

A constant cone?

[tulip parcel]

Exactly

[oak sage]

Last prisim, but what squence said

[ashen warren]

Sounds neat

Call it a cone weapon or something while holding down mouse button

[tulip parcel]

I was thinking one is victide and one is post-providence

[ashen warren]

Plague gasser or something idk

[oak sage]

but classless?

[tulip parcel]

Well yeah

[oak sage]

So it does not use anything?

[tulip parcel]

Shining a flashlight doesn’t cost much

[oak sage]

That seems overpowered. it's like a last prism, but it affects a larger area and does not consume mana.

[tulip parcel]

I mean it does pitiful damage

Like...

[oak sage]

Ok then

[ashen warren]

Does terraria allow for directional lighting?

[oak sage]

I belive so

[tulip parcel]

It allows for beams, I don’t think this is difficult

[oak sage]

They are redoing hte lighting system from what i know in the 1.3.6 update anyway.

[ashen warren]

Not projectiles

[tulip parcel]

This is basically a limited range, thick beam

[ashen warren]

Starbound has flashlights that give off light in a cone with none behind

[tulip parcel]

Right

[oak sage]

Maybe a special ammo type that can be "refilled", called batteries. That way the damage does not have to be 'pitiful'

[tulip parcel]

I mean it’s classless and probably has its damage multiplied by all sources like 2/3 of the current ones

It’s not exactly never gonna see use

[ashen warren]

http://i.imgur.com/QX0rL3s.png (I hope this is allowed)

[oak sage]

Sadly, classless weapons do not recive damage bonuses in calamity

[tulip parcel]

Probably? It’s just an example

The fuck

[oak sage]

Not sure why.

[tulip parcel]

Yess they do

What are you smoking

!wiki lunic eye

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Lunic_Eye

Calamity Mod Wiki

Lunic Eye

The Lunic Eye is a Hardmode gun-like weapon which can be considered the upgrade of the Marked Magnum. It shoots homing orange projectiles, which get their damage multiplied by damage bonuses from all classes. The projectile inflicts the Marked for Death debuff to enemies, which lowers enemy damage reduction by 50%. This weapon does not consume any ammo or mana.
This weapon cannot receive any modifiers.

[oak sage]

Oh

they must of changed it

yay

[ashen warren]

Lunic eye was always like that

[tulip parcel]

Smh

[ashen warren]

The only weapon I know of that isn't affected by damage buffs is... golden gun maybe

[oak sage]

Must be fore a vannila weapon I was thinking about.

[tulip parcel]

Yeah it’s not seq

The other two are

[ashen warren]

Thorium has true damage weps and none of them are affected by damage buffs

That might be what you're thinking about

[tulip parcel]

Classless =/= True

Erm... anyway that aside

Fuck I’m tired I can’t write agghh

[ashen warren]

"The Mjölnir is a powerful, ultimate weapon that is only obtainable in Expert Mode after defeating The Ragnarök. (snipped out description of what it does) Note that it has no specific class, as it deals true damage rather than melee, ranged, magic, summon, throwing, radiant, or symphonic damage. This also means that its damage value is not affected by any other damage modifications. It also cannot receive modifiers."

True damage in calamity means it's multiplied but in thorium it's classless

[radiant meadow]

except golden gun :/

[tulip parcel]

I’m just gonna

[ashen warren]

Golden gun is listed on calamity wiki as just 5 damage

Not 5 true damage

[tulip parcel]

Sequence can you pick up what I put down

[ashen warren]

yea

[tulip parcel]

I’m not feelin right

Thanks

Ultrabright Illuminator
Pre-Hardmode Classless weapon
2 iron + 5 victide + 30 glowsticks

Eye of Providence
Post-Providence Classless Weapon
Ultrabright Illuminator + 3 Divine Geode + 2 Eulibloom Bars

A pair of weapons that run in the same of other weapons like the Lunic

[oak sage]

Golden gun is affected by all classes.

[tulip parcel]

Maybe change the upgrade to “goddess gaze”

But I can’t think rn

[hollow shell]

Golden Gun doesn't benefit from all bonuses, but Marked Magnum and Lunic Eye do

iirc

Don't know why.

[oak sage]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Golden_Gun

[ashen warren]

don't do that

!wiki Golden_Gun

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Golden_Gun

Calamity Mod Wiki

Golden Gun

The Golden Gun is a Hardmode gun-like weapon that shoots yellow ichor projectiles, and gets its damage multiplied by bonuses to any and all damage types, much like the Lunic Eye and Marked Magnum. Its projectile inflicts the Ichor debuff to enemies, which makes it useful to weaken bosses regardless of one's choice of class. This weapon does not consume any ammo or mana.
This weapon cannot receive any modifiers.

[hollow shell]

I don't know why that looks different but I approve of it

[oak sage]

" and gets its damage multiplied by bonuses to any and all damage types"

[ashen warren]

I'll check ingame

[hollow shell]

I'll check insource

[ashen warren]

oof

Wish I had that

[hollow shell]

Still do check ingame in case the code is difficult to read

Welp, it isn't.

Golden Gun doesn't benefit from any bonuses

Will fix page

[oak sage]

Thats weird.

[radiant meadow]

It hasn't been for the longest time. The wiki page was bothering me but I kind of forgot about it.

[hollow shell]

Fixed

[oak sage]

Woo hoo

[radiant meadow]

White wine still doesn't list mana pot effects :/

[oak sage]

The flashlight idea is a good idea, it would give summoners more of a way to help support their minions without the summoner damage penalty

[hollow shell]

Now it does :P

[oak sage]

Oh classless weapons give the damage penalty now?

[hollow shell]

Nah, was referring to termigator

[oak sage]

Oh.

[hollow shell]

Flashlights sound cool but they probably wouldn't look great given Terraria's lighting system

I'd still like to see em

[tulip parcel]

Y’know how it could be done

I left this for sequence to write but I can’t sleep

It could create a shitton of points of light like, in a conic shape

To disguise how the terraria lighting system is arse

If they’re made in a tight come it should create a broad cone as s result

Er

Cone not come

[hollow shell]

Simulate real light in Terraria
have it fire a ton of invisible particles, which emit light, at an incredibly high frequency and speed
and dissipate on impact with tiles

[oak sage]

^

lag

[hollow shell]

That would probably lag the fuck

yeah

but

it'd probably work

[oak sage]

just immagine

[ashen warren]

Doesn't dust when it's invisible do no damage?

[hollow shell]

iunno

I don't see why that'd be the case
and also
I'm pretty sure dust can never deal damage

it's usually invisible projectile hitboxes which emit dust

[ashen warren]

The lunarian bow is what I was referencing

On quality low it seems to sometimes not do damage

[hollow shell]

so

replace "particles" with "projectiles" in what I said earlier, and we're good

I don't think that's the case, Sequence
might be some kind of confirmation bias happening

I would love to see if you can confirm it via images or gifs or whatnot, and Fab can fix it

[ashen warren]

Or at least, it used to

[devout seal]

also

[hollow shell]

also

[oak sage]

Referring to how the classless weapons don't effect the summoner damage reduction, what if the flashlights buffed minions that were in its ray of light. gives summoner class something more to do than, you know, summon minions and then dodge stuff. Completely different concept, but it might be cool having "summoner support" weapons

[ashen warren]

Know of anything that creates of lot of long lasting dust rover?

[oak sage]

In terraria?

[ashen warren]

yes terraria

[oak sage]

laughing

hmmm

[hollow shell]

Primordial Ancient or any of the stuff in its crafting line, I guess
Maybe Wrath of the Ancients, but that was recently reduced

[oak sage]

Try exploding the desert from underneath it.

The sand falling creates particles

[hollow shell]

Starfleet is also a contender for long-lasting dust

[oak sage]

^

just was gonna say that

Duststorm in a Bottle might work wonders.

[hollow shell]

I don't think that gives off a lot of dust, ironically

[oak sage]

"The jar explodes into a large number of swirling dust clouds upon hitting an enemy or a block. The dust clouds gradually spread out, damaging any enemy that touches them and passing through walls before slowly fading away."

[hollow shell]

The dust clouds are projectiles

[oak sage]

sad

[hollow shell]

Oh right
Chicken Cannon is also a dusthog

alright I think those're enough examples

[oak sage]

Good lag makers

[ashen warren]

Still deals damage (even though it's offtopic)

[oak sage]

Does the Sandstorm put out blocks like the sand gun normaly would?

never used any of the grand scale weapons tbh

[hollow shell]

It does not

[ashen warren]

Might wanna add that to wiki just to be sure

[hollow shell]

Sure

[oak sage]

yeah, it just says it fires sand, nothing about if it still places it.

halibut cannon + rubber mortar rounds in an area with tons of sand above it.

[hollow shell]

Aight added

[oak sage]

nice

[wicked swift]

that's a lot of suggestions with 50 stars and no checkmark

[hollow shell]

smh this is nothing new

They're not goin anywhere, they'll be delivered in time

[round falcon]

Patience

[quasi fable]

mine only got 20

[wicked swift]

@scarlet thorn then suggest one instead of just pointing out there isn't

[frail mantle]

^

[faint rivet]

2 vanquisher bullet suggestions

[wicked swift]

I vote for Providab's one

[faint rivet]

^

[frail mantle]

Thank

[faint rivet]

Just need a CD to star

[ashen warren]

"I just noticed there's no bullet equivalent of the vanquisher arrow" this isn't a suggestion

Remove it

[faint rivet]

^

[ashen warren]

@scarlet thorn

[faint rivet]

Think Tera might even have removed it

[opal barn]

Your guess is correct

[faint rivet]

I saw it vanish in front of my eyes as the stars appeared

[tulip parcel]

Merfolk hit 50

Yee

[wicked swift]

has been for a while

[tulip parcel]

Well yeah probably

I’ve been asleep tho

[hollow shell]

"Vanquisher Bullet" has been suggested many times, but I won't blue check Prov's due to its specificity

[pseudo fossil]

Did vanquisher bullets became a meme or a necessity? Just asking since Rover here is rigth

[quiet abyss]

It's not as much as a meme as much as "Something many people want and have overall the same ideas of"

[hollow shell]

Yeah, like a Yharim's Army invasion or a Plague biome/structure

cept smaller scale

[ruby cobalt]

Most suggested things: SCal hitcounter, Yharim's army, F U R N I T U R E, exo gun (lmao), maybe Plague biome, add a boss lmOa

And vanquisher bullets, yes.

[hollow shell]

Oh yeah, Exo-gun definitely

(SCal hit counter doesnt apply any more tho)

[pseudo fossil]

I think afther they removed SCal hitcap, now they want a item to turn it on.

[hollow shell]

Ive only seen 1 suggestion about that

iirc

[pseudo fossil]

i think nobody talks about an exo cannon/rocket launcher

[hollow shell]

I think I've seen one or two, but exo gun definitely outweighs

[crisp osprey]

an exo gun would be nice

[mystic glade]

why do people complain about an OP weapon

[worthy fiber]

Balancing™

[frail mantle]

im getting flashbacks to that guy who said "remove bad weapons because they are bad"

[round falcon]

I agree nerf coral spout if i could star this i woulf

[quick sandal]

Don't nerf coral sprout

It have a bad range

[frail mantle]

if you want your battles to be sorta challenging, just dont use op items

[crisp osprey]

^

[quick sandal]

But it can be balanced by nerfing the damage but buff the range

Or just delete it

[crisp osprey]

deleting a weapon cos its op

[ruby cobalt]

nerf coral spout
I fought DS
DS dies in literally 3 seconds

🤔

[crisp osprey]

still stupid to just delete a weapon cos its op

[quick sandal]

It's like halibut canon but spews out corals

Just changed it to summons a coral sprout from the ground

[frail mantle]

the reason worm bosses tend to have pretty high hp is because piercing melts the pretty quickly

[quick sandal]

Or just make DS have a high DR so coral sprout isn't OP anymore

[ruby cobalt]

...why?

[quick sandal]

Cuz jester arrows can melt DS

[frail mantle]

...or just not use op stuff

[quick sandal]

Or just trash the op stuff

[frail mantle]

^

point is, op isnt good if you want a challenge

thats why some rev players dont get the halibut cannon

even if they could

[sudden quail]

True. I'm probably gonna fight it with a different weapon, and I may have overreacted by calling for Coral's nerf.

Still though that was insane

[frail mantle]

yeah, you are right

1,5k is massive dps for a pre-boss weapon

[frail mantle]

@inner rover please elaborate on your suggestion.

[inner rover]

hang on, imma re-post it

[frail mantle]

much better

[inner rover]

yup

[wise pollen]

Yeah I think Ravager is a wee bit busted

He doesn't need a major nerf

He just needs his difficulty reduced by a small amount

[frail mantle]

^

[tired haven]

Try grenades on DS tbh

Would have same dps but in any point of the map

[ashen warren]

ravager's fine when you get a feel for the fight, and you keep track of everything as you should