I know
#suggestions-discussion
terse rain
if you're going to suggest a nerf, suggest a nerf to something that needs a nerf
just saying
radiant meadow
Ngl, I lost to my first normal mode ks tbf
teal shoal
lost agate
Always run right kids
hearty ermine
why nerf king slime, he easy in rev+, how hard can he be in normal?
lost agate
Someone doesnt know how to run right
low hedge
a wheelchair can only take you so fast
lost agate
♿
crisp osprey
playing in normal
sleek wigeon
reduce damage on normal
alpine copper
Im more surprised by the fact that there is people that play in normal
crisp osprey
normal in general
ruby cobalt
I'm more surprised with bradley not being banned yet.
crisp osprey
id ask but its probably cos ive missed something
low hedge
brad the chad
tulip parcel
bradley the badly
Gorgon's Spite
Hardmode(?) Accessory
Drops rarely from Medusas
A bundle of arrows, split at the shaft, their tips serrated to look like snake's teeth.
Increases ranged damage, ranged velocity, and grants a small-ish chance to not consume ammo.
Gorgon's Spite has a toggleable feature. When activated, the user's ranged damage is dramatically reduced. In exchange, their ranged weapons fire two additional shots per volley. This is more effective on weapons that have lower projectile count; for example, a minishark would fire three shots at once, whereas a halibut cannon would only fire an additional two shots in its mix of around thirty bullets.
ruby cobalt
Is this a D2 reference
tulip parcel
maybe
ruby cobalt
Medusa fat, mana shield accessory when
tulip parcel
I swear there was another "a % of damage taken is applied to mana" accessory in some other mod but I can't remember which one
back when I played D2 I played Spectre and ES though
aight I'll toss gorgon's spite up
tired haven
@ashen warren what is this, another 30 seconds per boss attempt to waste on nothing but first time surprise?
Seriously tho
tulip parcel
wanting to impose mandatory wait times on something that doesn't need them at all
calamity is not a fucking microtransaction game
tired haven
Why not
ashen warren
@tired haven its only like 3 attempts on revengence mode tho
radiant meadow
I might've quit if my 500 doggo no hit attemps had that dumb wait tbf
agile cloud
same
radiant meadow
And not everyone even plays on rev
agile cloud
accept it took me like 50 attempts
radiant meadow
Halibut doesn't even overexceed the limit mich anymore
Dps is comparable to Valediction
Starmageddon sounds cool even if star weapons are actually rocket launchers and not guns 
digital sparrow
Eh, it’s a non bow anyway 🤔
radiant meadow
well, then you could use chicken cannon for phase 2, but that being your only non bow option is probably not a good thing
worn bay
I really hope the Draedon’s Heart reworn gets sent. I love that item, wish it was good.
hollow shell
Saw that the old one was indeed not sent, sorry about that
It's sent now though
bleak fjord
I could also appreciate a 4th teir mana upgrade, maybe not one that makes the stars black (like a recommended I saw) but something to upgrade. The reason I don't want black mama stars is because as a mage, I know that having hard to see mana stars is bad. I also know that at the current time, having such high mana is only useful for two weapons, but I think rebalancing magic weapons to cost a but more would go a long way, as the mana sickness debuff is killer if you aren't paying attention to when you consume your potions. Mage is currently in a very strong state in calamity, so I'd love to see some rebalances.
ruby cobalt
oh look exogun
delicate raft
I think someone said another mana upgrade is impossible?
tired haven
^
delicate raft
Oh lol
ruby cobalt
Yeah, you heard it here - vanilla has a cap of 400 from gear.
200 from base+crystals and extra 200 from gear.
tired haven
Imagine capping one of most useless stats
ashen warren
there's no way to go around it?
heady comet
All arcane accessories is basically a mana upgrade
ruby cobalt
Well, yeah, there is a way to go around it.
Calamity did it.
But you can't do it through vanilla methods.
ashen warren
understood, thanks!
proven tide
@wise pollen I'm pretty sure Rouge Slash just got buffed this last update. Have you tried it out?
It's apparently got 'new effects'.
wise pollen
It just got new visual effects.
proven tide
Shet
radiant meadow
@wind flicker I would recommend removing p90, minigun, and seadragon as they are already used in other recipes and I would also recommend adding more pre ML guns to the recipe like Phoenix Blaster or Slag Magnum
agile cloud
Venus magnum
ashen warren
Grand Finale, more like Grand Lag
In all serious, I like this weapon a lot, and definitely, we need an auric tier gun
radiant meadow
cursed capper? but that's gonna be part of the Aeries recipe next update 
and it still has minigun :/
wind flicker
Well I edited the recipe a bit
fervent sky
@wind flicker I made a sprite for the Grand Finale you suggested And boy can I say that Exo Weapons are a pain to sprite
wind flicker
Wow that looks really good
fervent sky
@sacred thorn a while ago I thought the same thing myself, and I ironically made a sprite for one based on the Gulper Eel, if you'd like to use it
crisp osprey
my suggestion is on 46 stars
aaa
sacred thorn
works for me
fervent sky
Ok cool
fervent sky
I could give it a shot
quasi fable
What language is this @sacred thorn
ashen warren
Java iirc
quasi fable
No thats println()
ashen warren
i've never used just print
quasi fable
Huh Whats print then
sacred thorn
print prints it out oon the same line
quasi fable
Oh
sacred thorn
println does that on a new line
radiant meadow
putting a yoyo in an abyss chest isn't really a good idea
quasi fable
What is the code for newline
sacred thorn
println
sacred thorn
\n iirc
quasi fable
Oh okay
radiant meadow
why are we discussing someone's name in #suggestions-discussion ?
@tired haven Is White Wine not good enough for you? 
radiant meadow
maybe you should suggest a white wine nerf to balance it
radiant meadow
and Calamity just threw both out the window with White Wine
cyan lagoon
getting confused with super healing
radiant meadow
Not only does White Wine give 400 mana, but it also gives 10% magic damage
crisp osprey
2 stars to go
aaaaa
crisp osprey
true, but its nice i got to 50 stars
tulip parcel
Yeah true
wise pollen
or just no contact for 1 second on any mode or circumstance
getting spawned on top of in general is fucking annoying
and is a real problem
shadow prism
changed
warm tinsel
Has someone suggested DoG Phase 2 Music Box yet?
cyan lagoon
lost agate
Yeah i know what youre gonna say
But no, i aint gonna aim better at stuff that gets normally offscreen
AND has no map icon
Elaborate would you?
gentle chasm
for those that can't obtain cinderplate because their computer can't handle having the planetoids generated
lost agate
And why didnt you put this with the suggestion?
radiant meadow
But you can't exactly toggle planetoid generation
gentle chasm
actually you kinda can
by downgrading calamity, generating the world, then updating it again.
gentle chasm
like what?
gentle chasm
but you do realize that the astral biome only appears in hardmode, right?
ashen warren
.. yes
The point being is that the 2 meteors won't fall
As I was about to say though. I may be wrong in that they could mean "old world" as "a world that you already killed WoF in" so yea
I looked at wherever that was once
gentle chasm
i did say that you update calamity again after the world is made
gentle chasm
why... what?
ashen warren
Generate an old world I'm guessing
little raptor
why the cinderplate would need a craft recipe ?
gentle chasm
no, they just cause my computer to be unable to continue generating the world
ashen warren
Game crashes
gentle chasm
(i really need to get more ram)
little raptor
what mods do you have ?
gentle chasm
a crap ton of mods
little raptor
i see
ashen warren
"If you crash with an OutOfMemoryException, use less mods! This is not a Calamity problem. You’re overloading tModLoader with too many mods loaded at once."
gentle chasm
an pass up all the new content?
ashen warren
It's in #bugs-read-pins smh read the friggin pins
little raptor
i used TEdit to add the big planetoid in my 1.2.4 calamity world
radiant meadow
you mean play each content mod individually to enjoy them (with whatever QoL is thrown in)?
little raptor
you should too
TEdit is a terraria world editer
that one lets you put alot of trees together
gentle chasm
is it compatible with mods?
radiant meadow
somewhat
you can't place or remove modded blocks and they won't show up on the tedit interface
but modded blocks will override whatever you placed in the empty space through tedit, so they won't disappear
little raptor
@gentle chasm yes
gentle chasm
ok
little raptor
if you know how to use photoshop TEdit will be easy to use
little raptor
ummm
gentle chasm
it's like photoshop
little raptor
yeah but i was talking about the layers, commands, etc
in any case, i hope you can use it easily
gentle chasm
ok
hollow shell
@sleek glacier So, remove the shield and required-enemy-defeated mechanic entirely?
What would happen to all the current enemies? Would they just spawn when the tough monster is nearby?
sleek glacier
they'd spawn as minions to protect the large monster, kind of like Cryogen's shield mechanic.
hollow shell
Or like Providence summoning her Profaned Guardians, they must be killed for her to take damage?
sleek glacier
yeah
hollow shell
Aight
You should describe that in the suggestion
hearty yew
@ashen warren wow, holy shit. i never knew that about SCal's hitbox. What about normal Calamitas?
Would you mind if I officially classified that as a bug?
hollow shell
@strong jacinth Why?
sleek wigeon
"unundisable this feature that was undisabled for a reason"
hearty yew
alpine copper
@hollow shell if the shield mechanic from the pillars can be disabled, why not replacing the shield by a pair of especial minibosses that need to be killed for the pillar to take damage like you said earlier? Removing the pillars too is tampering with vanilla too much if you ask me, the 150 kills shield mechanic is what (for me) makes the pillars obnoxious
ruby cobalt
I feel like I posted something like that before.
alpine copper
Void archmages:
Nebula minibosses
A pair of lunar archmages whose magic is fueled by pure nebula energy drawn from the pillar.
They spawn along with the nebula pillar to protect it, as long as they are alive the pillar is invulnerable.
Its just to make an example so i didnt elaborated much
hollow shell
Yeah Pillar Minibosses has been suggested once or twice before
ashen warren
You did drh "Lunar Events ("major" AI revamp which is also impossible, probably) Rework
Because pillars are fucking boring.
Changes:
- Pillars no longer have their shield, but compensate that with higher health and extra abilities.
- Spawn pools are revamped, pillar "biomes" are removed, instead they fire off enemies out of them.
- Default spawn pool includes Astral enemies and enemies from already killed pillars. And by default spawn pool I mean surface one. Yes, all enemies can spawn anywhere and it becomes harder as the event progresses.
- Pillar abilities: Solar has extra DR, fires off more fireblasts. Nebula summons anti-boosters that reduce your health/mana/damage. Vortex randomly warps you around with a small chance, distorts you after that and inflicts unblockable confusion for half a second. Stardust also something, didn't really think of anything for it.
- All pillars apply a small damage decrease (7%) if you're in their vicinity based on their type: Solar reduces melee damage, Vortex ranged, etc."
Not a miniboss thing but lunar pillar related
ruby cobalt
I mean, yeah.
ashen warren
It was a great suggestion, too bad it didn't get in
alpine copper
I dont find pillars boring, mainly because im an addict to chromatic color patterns so who cares
My point is that pillars dont need to be changed a lot, a small thing as changing the shields for something else would make them more tolerable
marsh gust
crab's supreme mana potion reached 50 stars
marsh gust
why would adren charge if theres no boss alive?
faint rivet
^
ashen warren
I'd say it's pretty obvious that you're intended to use this during bossfights
They edited it
marsh gust
aight nk
alpine copper
Yep is for boss fights
faint rivet
Well this sounds interesting
alpine copper
Also "he" sequence
faint rivet
Personally wouldn't use it but still looks neat
ashen warren
It sounds like something that would be really strong for nohits
Spawn then use
Buffed? just get hit and try again
Until you get adrenaline right at the start
Skip phases and whatnot
faint rivet
Yeah you could abuse it like that I suppose
alpine copper
A small chance of risk and a bit of reward
marsh gust
the dice would he banned in nohits if its getting in, i can feel it xd
ashen warren
The return of jojo suggestions
marsh gust
wait no you cant, cause theres now a minimum time limit
ashen warren
Run before it's too late
radiant pawn
but you can be extremely lucky and have 10 bad throws
marsh gust
fun
radiant pawn
and have a extreme buff boss
thats fun
also your welcome for bringing back a jojo suggestion sequence
alpine copper
Feelin' lucky huh? Come try yer luck
ashen warren
I got so fucking sick of jojo suggestions when that guy was posting
marsh gust
rolls dice fuj.
radiant pawn
do you mean THAT guy?
who posted like 3 jojo suggestions a day, and rarely a normal one?
ashen warren
J0suke I believe
radiant pawn
also now that i think about it. i didnt mean to make it a jojo reference, i just thought the name, and remembered it was from STAR PLATINUM
wasnt it Kosaku Kawajiri or something like that?
ashen warren
They changed their name a lot
marsh gust
quasi fable
Yoyo suggestions
ashen warren
but I like UT and people tend to lay off those suggestions in this discord
ashen warren
That doesn't sound like it's from calamity (the granite thing)
alpine copper
Tbh we need more stardust themed stuff
radiant pawn
ashen warren
I think we have exactly as many pillar items as we need
ML is already bloated with items
radiant pawn
my idea was mainly for pre plaguebringer/pre LC
its still funny how the cinderplate suggestion didnt got any stars
but got 7 blue checks
alpine copper
O hey what about a gun that is like a granite cannon that shoots rolled up granite elementals?
ashen warren
Why not just
proven tide
Granite as ammo?
alpine copper
You capture the while they rolled with a bugnet
ashen warren
Make the skeleton key open a golden chest?
alpine copper
A use them as living ammo
left crag
because thats not as fun
radiant pawn
why not make the skeleton key out of 99 keys
ashen warren
Actually, needing to spawn a thing adds more tedium
left crag
Binding of Isaac reference
radiant pawn
y es
left crag
I like it
ashen warren
I've never had issue with golden key drops anyway tbh
Dungeon is always 15 minutes for me
A skeleton key that's crafted from 10 keys that opens all golden chests would be fine tbh
radiant pawn
99 keys for the skeleton key is an abstract reference
but that suggestion you made is cool
but then
ashen warren
Yea but 99 keys means that by the time you craft it there's no point
radiant pawn
you would just stay in a place farming for dungeon slimes or breaking tons of pots
left crag
10 keys is more reasonable
radiant pawn
and farming in something like a dungeon is really unfun if you ask me
ashen warren
Oh nice
radiant pawn
i still hate those fucking flying skulls and those wizards MHH
left crag
Where to begin on Polterghast before unsafe walls
ashen warren
gimme allll that credit
left crag
like if you didn't get a perfect dungeon Polterghast was a living nightmare
radiant pawn
i remember i had 1/6 of my polter arena not working as a dungeon
because FUCKING CORRUPTION was near it
i had to mine a LOT to get rid of that corrupted section
left crag
ye
radiant pawn
oh ye
was my fault sorry xd
changed my suggestion into an actual suggestion instead of a jojo one
frail mantle
@sturdy latch you should split up your suggestion, i.e. make the Draedon’s heart a separate one forme the Blood Pact one
faint rivet
^
sturdy latch
Hmm....
Done
I’ll likely post the Draedon’s Heart one when someone else or 2 make suggestions
I don’t want to confuse anyone or suggest too many things at one time.
faint rivet
Is suggesting that the new npc also spawns if AlchemistNPC's Calamity Combination in the inventory even ok
ruby cobalt
I will 🔫 you down if you do so.
faint rivet
Right
tired haven
ashen warren
@hearty yew no I wouldn't mind, just would like it fixed lol
ashen warren
Thanks @left crag, I'm surprised it doesn't already exist
radiant meadow
except what does it even do?
is like a shadow key but for golden chests?
because the item is consumable :/
which means it can only open 1 chest
ashen warren
Just because the suggestion says that doesn't break the item in the future
Come on
@ashen warren Gatligator drops off some sulpherous sea enemy I forgot which one
radiant meadow
trashers iirc
ashen warren
10% chance in Hardmode? I still think a recipe would be a good option to add
radiant meadow
except they aren't that uncommon
radiant meadow
no, I'm saying if a relatively common enemy drops it with a high-ish chance, there's no real reason to add it
agile cloud
dont bother
ashen warren
Because they seemed pretty receptive to the Metal Detector recipe despite the fact that an enemy drops it
radiant meadow
like a metal detector recipe would be nice because nymphs are quite rare
trashers are not
agile cloud
like termigator said
radiant meadow
trashers will show up if you spend like 10 seconds at the sulphurous sea without zen
ashen warren
You don't have to keep trying to make me delete it, we just have to see if other people will agree first
frail mantle
also, its good if ya dont want to farm Trashers
ashen warren
So we should add a crafting recipe for zombie arms now?
They drop off a common enemy
Zombie arms aren't an ingredient
humble island
I mean i wouldnt need a recipe when i can whap on a zerg and in less than a min have multiple
ashen warren
At a semi-high rate
Get your details straight
This is a common enemy at a high rate
ashen warren
I won't delete it
agile cloud
Never said you had to
agile cloud
Not you
ashen warren
Nobody said anything
agile cloud
just debunking the suggestion
ashen warren
^
Stop acting clueless
It doesn't work
Could you stop being a hostile little shit? thanks
Sure, once you guys do
NOBODY said to remove it nor did they imply it
if your going to respond to any criticism of an idea with " stop trying to make me delete it"
i dont know what to say
its literally the point of this channel
agile cloud
^
agile cloud
Thats the point of the channel
humble island
Because there isnt much point in it existing
ashen warren
So in other words, if the recipe shouldn't exist, my suggestion shouldn't exist
thats the point of the channel, you discuss suggestions and if you dont think one is needed
you say so
So I should delete it
humble island
Since the weapon is easily farmable
agile cloud
my brain
ashen warren
idc what you do
ashen warren
but stop responding to any criticism as if its a personal attack
Why shouldn't I? You're just like the people who didn't want the frog legs to have an alternative method of obtaining them
ashen warren
I suggested a boss drop the frog legs
agile cloud
o
ashen warren
And people got really upset
ashen warren
Nothing was happening until you threw a hissy-fit
why shouldn't you? because its an extremely annoying to deal with attitude and makes no sense
frail mantle
i actually agree that the frog leg should have another way, because i dont try to obtain it before yharon, which means either fishing or catching frogs before my minions or other enemies kill them
ashen warren
its also not healthy for you at all to treat critisism of an idea as a personal attack
so do I but thats not the point here
So you're saying I should assume everyone in this server is nice and friendly and not sarcastic?
That's like going to a stadium and expecting no one to like sports
🤔
ashen warren
that is the most senseless and dumb analogy ive ever heard
what does sarcasm even have to do with this
radiant meadow
So you're assuming everyone is sarcastic and unfriendly? 
alpine copper
What did i just read
ashen warren
Pinkie has been typing for an awful long time..
wise pollen
I have no popcorn to watch this drama with
quiet abyss
@ashen warren Now, I feel like I should say something here.
They weren't implying that you should take the suggestion down, they're just debunking it.
Debunking does not = Trying to make you delete your suggestion.
I noticed that you're getting a bit too defensive as well, so please do stop.
They're just giving you their opinions, not trying to attack you.
I'm going to be blunt: The problem here is that you can't take critism, don't even deny it.
Instead of calmly explaining your reasons and being patient, you start getting defensive the moment someone start saying something about your suggestion that you deem as "trying to get you to delete your suggestion" and start acting hostile towards everyone.
Who were just criticising, not attacking you.
You're taking things far more seriously than you should, and you're just plain overreacting now, as I'm typing this post.
I'll have to ask you to stop this nonsense before I call a mod in here.
agile cloud
Pinkie wrote the bible!
ashen warren
...okay I'm sorry
I'll stop now
"Debunking does not = Trying to make you delete your suggestion." this should be pinned tbh
wise pollen
I'm pretty sure more thought was put into that message than the Bible though
quiet abyss
Alright everyone stop
ashen warren
People delete their suggestions if they're debunked wayy too often
agile cloud
We need this pinned, and move to general chat
radiant meadow
Except without the ping?
agile cloud
Yeah
radiant meadow
And this still applies to suggestions
ashen warren
thats almost as long as the yharon essay
agile cloud
lul
radiant meadow
Perhaps reword it to be less directed to a single person
ashen warren
can you pin as a dev?
radiant meadow
Don't think so
quiet abyss
Nah
opal barn
Uhhhh pin what
ashen warren
"Debunking does not = Trying to make you delete your suggestion." or something similar
just pin the entire essay
except the ping
That would immortalize 1 persons mistake AKA nononono
opal barn
I can't do that because that whole essay was 1 message
alpine copper
Then dont do anything
opal barn
One of you has to type that so it isn't centered around 1 person
agile cloud
I could retype it
quiet abyss
Right then...gimme a sec
radiant meadow
Just get Pinkie to edit the message?
agile cloud
Debunking does not = Trying to make you delete your suggestion.
If someone is debunking your suggestion, do not take it as a personal attack
They're just giving you their opinions, not trying to attack you.
don't start getting defensive the moment someone start saying something about your suggestion that you deem as "trying to get you to delete your suggestion" and start acting hostile towards everyone.
People are just criticizing, not attacking you.
quiet abyss
Oi oi, that's directed at one person
radiant meadow
No, not that
opal barn
smh
ashen warren
...I feel humiliated
quiet abyss
Don't be, man
radiant meadow
You have to reword it
quiet abyss
People make mistakes
quiet abyss
Just don't overreact like that when someone debunk ya suggestion or smth similar
alpine copper
Accidentaly non reworded mael
radiant meadow
This is a learning experience
ashen warren
i won't be able to make any suggestions now because everyone will think of the times i got mad
radiant meadow
Last paragraph still looks bad
opal barn
I'd say delete the last line and it should be gucci
ashen warren
Solo there's like 0 bad blood just chill
quiet abyss
Nah, not if we just pretend it didn't happen.
If you make a suggestion next time, and don't overreact like that, then we all are cool
👍
ashen warren
...okay
thanks
quiet abyss
You're welcome
Now have a good day 👋
ashen warren
you too
opal barn
Can you also change the last line to: People are just critizing...
agile cloud
k
alpine copper
I wasnt even in the server when you got mad
quiet abyss
Let's stop going to the past now 
alpine copper
So this conversation is over yes?
agile cloud
Yes
quiet abyss
Yes
agile cloud
lol
agile cloud
time to repost a suggestion from like a week ago that got 18 stars
alpine copper
So What you guys think about my repost? Got 41 stars the first time
opal barn
agile cloud
Thanks
radiant meadow
I kind of liked abusing copper tools tbf
ashen warren
my poor scientific study wont reach 50 stars
radiant meadow
Repin the suggestions legend so its on top
alpine copper
Lead/iron is the next tier to copper/tin isnt it?
agile cloud
Yes
ashen warren
good thing ozza is just gonna make it a bug
i realized I should ask people first before I post in #suggestions-voting
then it won't get completely debunked after I post it
agile cloud
Yep
ashen warren
thank god for that
agile cloud
It even says to do that
alpine copper
So why is it overkill?
ashen warren
that hitbox really needs it
opal barn
ashen warren
Ben did you check the normal cala hitbox?
opal barn
There, better now
ashen warren
no i didnt yet
radiant meadow
👍
ashen warren
im at school rn
that will be hard though
since she doesnt stand still
Exo-freeze maybe
Offtopic though
actually she does sometimes
agile cloud
Does that affect clone?
radiant meadow
How do you apply exo freeze without killing her?
alpine copper
Add faster projectile travel to that
elder mist
ashen warren
"How do you apply exo freeze without killing her?" easy, post-prov cala with Photoviscerator
ashen warren
!wiki exo freeze
red stormBOT
ashen warren
Sweet, it's even in the preview
@agile cloud what needs changing is that its a doc
try and condense it into a short enough thing to fit into a message
ashen warren
if you cant, make a preview message
agile cloud
??
ashen warren
like fit the basic ideas in the message
than upload the doc
for people who want to see a more in depth explanation
ashen warren
id do the preview message
and explain the main points of your suggestion
maybe have like the math and how its calculated in the doc
agile cloud
Ok
ashen warren
and have the basic effects and ideas in the message
i wish people read docs but unfortunately they dont
agile cloud
I'm in grade 9 so i have no clue how to do this
radiant meadow
You just add a short description of the doc in your post
agile cloud
I mean the math part
ashen warren
ill do an example
so for this :
Alright so here is my proposed softcap for damage:
In Pre-HM: Your damage is softcapped at 65% Extra, but it’s not that simple
For every 5% extra damage you get, lower that by 1% (ex 100 damage becomes 103 [5% boost])
This is to prevent excessive amounts of damage being dealt (I don’t think that you would ever hit 65% in Pre-HM so this can be adjusted if needed)
In Hardmode it would be softcapped at 90% Extra, but with a few drawbacks
For every 10% extra damage you get, lower that by 2% (ex 100 damage becomes 108 [10% boost])
Post-ML it would be softcapped at 135% Extra, but once again, with a drawback
For every 15% extra damage you get, lower that by 3.5% (ex 100 damage becomes 111 [15% boost])
ALSO for all extra damage that avoids softcaps, that would be reduced by 0.5% (ex, 100 + 10% that avoids softcaps will be reduced to 108).
agile cloud
?
ashen warren
you could just say in the message " Make the caps more dynamic so as you go up in progression the penalties get harsher instead of the current system where its just a static cap at 85%"
you obviously could make a better statement since i threw that together rather rushed
agile cloud
Like this?
Revengeance/Death Cap changes/additions
In general as your stats increase (Damage, DR, Crit chance & Regen) The effectiveness of the stats are DECREASED
For defense, The effectiveness is INCREASED as you progress through the game.
ashen warren
yeah sure
ashen warren
maybe mention the different caps for pre/hm/post ML
worthy fiber
Hive thing makes sense 🤔
cyan lagoon
They used to but was changed because they were easily cheesed
worthy fiber
Ah
unreal hemlock
So I’ve uncover the “dark sun” ring today and though the idea of an assessors buffing cap was a great idea. That being said making gear buff maximum stats like damage, crit?, and damage reduction. Like endgame tank armor adds +10 to DR cap and shields adds +5 to the cap
quick ferry
The problem is that when you fight the boss on an evil island, the worms spawn offscreen so they fall down to the surface
This bug had seen a few fixes but it's still there
worthy fiber
You probably shouldn't fight it on an island anyway
quick ferry
This makes the fight very hard/annoying because you have to get down and then somehow back up without the hive flashing straight through you because of it's Enrage
unreal hemlock
But they them selfs don’t add to DR only to the cap, the shields might while in a liquid. But this also means much lower base caps for stats. An example is DR would be capped at 5% no armor/gear
worthy fiber
Just spread a proper biome
quick ferry
But evil islands are made so that the players don't have world-exclusive stuff, right?
And spreading a biome...
No. Just no.
worthy fiber
I mean, the boss isn't designed to be fought on an island in the first place
worthy fiber
And I guess the island's just mostly focused around the items and the chest rather than the boss
The worms can't fly
wise pollen
Have the worms spawn inside the island
worthy fiber
Don't
Fragment
Talk
quick ferry
So the fight gets broken
worthy fiber
Spawning them inside the island 🤔
wise pollen
Just use terracustom to have both evils
quick ferry
🤔
worthy fiber
Just clean them up later lmao
wise pollen
Literally have to kill the thicc worm to kill the hive
quick ferry
wise pollen
So have only the third worm fly idfc
quick ferry
Maybe
worthy fiber
About spawning them in the island, I'm not sure if there's a surefire way to do it without letting players exploit and trap the worms in some blocks
worthy fiber
Nah, like
Unless I'm being dumb, you can probably move them into some midair blocks and trap them there
And bundled up worms are dead 
quick ferry
Okay, wait.
IIRC the wiki says almost all worms/worm bosses can fly through the air when offscreen.
And the same thing was on the Perforators page.
quick ferry
Then why do they even get stuck on the surface
worthy fiber
I can't continue this conversation because I'm up pretty late, sorry
We'll just have to see what other people think
quick ferry
Or just forget about it like the conversation never happened and just never touch anything Crimson-related
worthy fiber
quick ferry
That was my strategy for... Well, all the way since I got Terraria installed
Perforator weapons are trash anyway
tulip parcel
Man today’s just trash day innit
neon panther
@ashen warren the music boxes will all be added when they are sprited
quick ferry
Oh, that's why they aren't released yet?
Guess respriting Victide to make it look like a superhero armor from some vintage comics takes more time than making a music box.
Sorry, not judging anyone
neon panther
it's just what people choose to do lol
cyan lagoon
Plus victide wasn't even a dev thing
quick ferry
Music boxes are a dev thing?
So music box suggestions are breaking rules because they're dev item suggestions?
cyan lagoon
No
quick ferry
Ok.
Fine.
My joke was just straight up blocked with a magic barrier.
Gonna not touch this channel anymore because it's not for jokes ;-;
tulip parcel
What
ashen warren
Should I take down my suggestion if it's being logged as a bug?
tulip parcel
maybe? up ot you
junior tendon
@raven meadow impossible even I know that lmao
raven meadow
why would this be impossible
raven meadow
doubt it honestly
junior tendon
bruh I've been modding for 2 years and I tried similar things
I know what kind of environment I am working with here
and all other modders
raven meadow
why can't you just change the music after one second
junior tendon
because the way music is played is by changing a variable
music = musicID
that's it
you cannot change anything about that
there is an automated delay and transition, which is hardcoded
raven meadow
and now? i can change a variable in one second
ah well then
change it to nothing
and then to the next music
junior tendon
lmao
agile cloud
This is the dev of SoA
junior tendon
you cannot "change it to nothing"
junior tendon
you can have an empty music file sure
but it will behave just like other music
with a set delay and transition
I doubt you ever touched terraria modding yourself
or even tried to research stuff
raven meadow
yes so change it to a music file with no sound
agile cloud
...
raven meadow
and after that to the next one
agile cloud
You dont understand
junior tendon
yeah uh, you do yours I got more important things to work on
9 months for 1.1 is way too long
oh wait it's basically 10 months now
oof
raven meadow
but i dont see how this would not work still, but ok. i know that i have no clue about that compared to you but i'm just trying to understand why this wouldnt work
junior tendon
because a blank music file is STILL treated as a music file
and the same delay and transition will occur
you can't do anything about that
deal
with
it
raven meadow
ok well it seems like i did a poor job at explaining what i wanted
agile cloud
You want breaks between musics
You cant change the delay
You can add a blank music file, but its still a music file
So the delay wont change
And you cant change it
Nothing the devs can do about it
tulip parcel
Buff the Golden Gun
For the sake of this suggestion I'm going to be comparing the golden gun to its at-the-same-tier counterpart, Lunic Eye.
Golden Gun: Ichor and Hellstone Bars, a hardmode material and a pre-hardmode material.
Lunic Eye: Stardust, Aerialite Bars and Sunplate Blocks. Hardmode material and pre-hardmode materials.
Golden Gun: Fires one bullet sized, straight moving projectile.
Lunic Eye: Fires one larger, faster projectile that also homes in on enemies to the point of being able to bend backward to do it.
Golden Gun: Deals five damage. That's it.
Lunic Eye: Deals seven damage... but also has its damage multiplied by all damage sources. Meaning in early hardmode, the lunic eye can easily deal 40~ damage.
Golden Gun: Inflicts a debuff that reduces defense by 20. While this is a handy debuff, it does far, far less in higher difficulties.
Lunic Eye: Inflicts a debuff which halves DR. Does very little in normal/expert mode, but in revengeance/death it's an extremely powerful debuff.
In summary; Despite both being at the same tier, and meant for the same purpose (to give active weapons to summoners), the Golden Gun is flat out terrible compared to the Lunic Eye. Instead of giving options, it forces you to use a bad weapon for its debuff alone. I'm not sure where the Golden Gun would be buffed (maybe making it so its damage is multiplied by all sources, like Lunic Eye and Marked magnum?) but it clearly needs a shot in the arm.
any objections?
ruby cobalt
Inflicts a debuff that also reduces DR by a set amount*
tulip parcel
ruby cobalt
Golden Gun: Inflicts a debuff that reduces defense by 20. While this is a handy debuff, it does far, far less in higher difficulties.
Not to mention that lunic eye does nothing in normal/expert.
tulip parcel
True, save for the fact that it still does much more damage
even if it doesn't reduce defense it still does damage that completely blows the GG out of the water
ruby cobalt
Ichor reduces DR, if you didn't know that btw.
tulip parcel
it reduces defense, which... hang on I need to look up the revengeance DR interaction with defense
ruby cobalt
Firstly, incoming damage is increased by adding one quarter of the struck enemy's defense.
This increased damage is multiplied by (1 minus the enemy's damage reduction).
Finally, this value is subtracted by half of the enemy's defense as usual.
This does not apply to enemies with zero damage reduction; damage is calculated normally.```=ah okay
yeah ichor does... half effective
lunic eye's debuff is still stronger
twice as strong, in fact
ruby cobalt
-20 def, -25% DR, you can count amount of enemies that have 50%+ DR with 2 hands.
tired haven
And half of them have MfD immunity anyway
tulip parcel
Golden Gun
tired haven
i mean I see lunic eye being used while golden gun is never even touched
tulip parcel
that you're forced to use for its debuff
tired haven
smh
tulip parcel
it's shit
tulip parcel
I hate it
ruby cobalt
why would you use an inferior version of better weapons
tired haven
only to avoid summoner penalty
tulip parcel
because it's meant for summoners
why punish summoners for playing summoner by giving them options that are "worse than what everyone else has"
they already have to stick to a set few options
tulip parcel
they're boring
there needs to be change
maybe "buff the golden gun" isn't correct, but "change the golden gun" works better
SOMETHING needs to be done
crisp osprey
68 stars
yeeteth
ashen warren
Epic 50 stars
Hm, silence between boss phases?
I think that only works with certain transitions
Such as the second phase of Devourer
Not something like Supreme Calamitas or Yharon
And thankfully the latter songs were made to transition well with a basic crossfade
lost agate
Yeah
subtle oracle
That just takes up my precious time
lost agate
It would be weird to have some akward moments of silence in scal fight
ruby cobalt
It's possible to do it.
ashen warren
In fact, with doppelganger Calamitas I think a bit less silence would actually sound better
ruby cobalt
Add artificial silence to ending and beginning of the loop.
Which makes it twice as fucking stupid.
ashen warren
Can only devs forward suggestions?
agile cloud
iirc
low hedge
rover usually takes care of them
ashen warren
He's got a lot to take care of
crisp osprey
a decent amount lol
tulip parcel
@cyan lagoon isn't it "mucus"
frosty kindle
not really suggestion discussion related, but both spellings are correct. (no red lines)
tulip parcel
oh so it's like color and colour
crisp osprey
the english language is confusing in general
tired haven
talks in russian
hollow shell
@prisma geyser What would Cuba Libres do upon drinking?
orchid patio
Relating to the Demon trophy, I’d like to see it function like a 1.5 spawnrate on Rev, but it increases adrenaline gain and rage gain by 1.2. Death mode could be a 2x spawnrate but adrenaline and rage gain at a better rate
Not sure if that’s a good idea but meh
prisma geyser
no clue lol
probably increase movement speed, defense, and coin drops from enemies slain
hollow shell
Describe that as a possible possibility in your suggestion
(and remember that all the alcohols have negative effects)
sacred thorn
should there be a slime set for after beating king slime?
sleek wigeon
Why do you need pink gel so badly?
reef swift
Ninja armor
sleek wigeon
(but seriously why would pink jellies drop pink gel, pink gel is used in like 3 things)
radiant meadow
A suggestion to bring back Prepare to Die?
hollow shell
Yeah Prepare to Die was just
stat boosts, and exclusive item drops
so Revengeance but worse
radiant meadow
I know, but that's what I think of with the demon trophy
lucid marsh
@umbral dune would be better (I think) if it was 1-3 instead of 3-5 since pink gel is supposed to be rare and valuable
lucid marsh
Or a 50% chance for 1-2
lunar berry
more
sleek wigeon
Nah
tight gorge
I never had trouble getting pink gel
sleek wigeon
Too much
tight gorge
Then again, I never actively looked for any
sleek wigeon
Pink jellies are super common
Take jelly necklaces for instance
those are a 1% chance and any half decent ocean farm drowns your inv in them
tight gorge
mhm
radiant meadow
any half decent farm will drown you in life jellies much faster than jellyfish necklaces tbf
ashen warren
Same/dif
sinful violet
haha coins and railguns
hollow shell
Cosmilite*
lunar berry
so uh
sinful violet
i should mention that in this case, coin type shouldn't affect damage
and fuck
thank you rover
hollow shell
np
lunar berry
rev+ users benefit from this so much more
sinful violet
Could be
sinful violet
Bullets could also be viable for lower difficulty modes
sleek wigeon
And have infinite ammo?
round falcon
I think the type should matter yeah
Like copper and silver would be bullet effectiveness
But Gold/Plat would be better
sinful violet
Maybe, yeah
round falcon
Or just plat
sleek wigeon
Damage though
sinful violet
How's that sound?
lunar berry
very noice
sinful violet
I wanna be able to use the rare weapon that drops so
Might as well make it useful at least later on
lunar berry
there should be more weps that use all sentinel drops
sinful violet
also electrosphere launcher and titanium railgun are too cool to be ignored
also again, coins and railguns
maybe someone will get it
tulip parcel
heads or tails
not NATURE’S FORCE
Monsoon is upset mrrp
Though I do like more railguns
ashen warren
But is the railgun scientific?
lunar berry
very gud
ashen warren
I love railguns
We should include one with a nice juicy sound effect and impactful projectile
spark flax
lmao i didnt think sand sharknado was that good ? ?
tulip parcel
...so while I was driving to get pizza I thought about my idea
and I think I need someone to bring me down to earth because originally I was thinking of slapping a railgun onto a slime and having the weapon be a drop from that
but in my head now I have this massive jungle expansion post-yharon
or maybe post-PBG
and I'm not sure if I should write it out or not
stop me if this sounds like a bad idea
but basically, after yharon dies, the lizahrds rise up and start taking over the jungle, killing off all the plague enemies and making more temple tech
think of it as a fusion between the ravager's necromancy and the golem's "basically a machine" appearance
I won't suggest a biome boss because, y'know, no boss suggestiosn
but in my head this is a massive content expansion that I feel like would give more life to the lizahrds, who are criminally underused in my opinion
radiant meadow
sand sharknado staff is really good when they attack
they use the awful vanilla AI of tempest staff so naturally they follow you more than attacking
they're good for like 1 fight and that's it
at least, I think they're good for cultist
tulip parcel
@spark flax summoning
radiant meadow
the single super dummy test was quite inaccurate given that you move around much more in an actual boss fight
xeno staff is better in all honesty cuz they at least attack
spark flax
yeah, xeno staff is reliable and sometimes when you're playing summon that's what you need most
tulip parcel
er
spark flax
also the jungle expansion sounds good but who knows, maybe devs already have that planned
tulip parcel
... uhhh
would it be too obnoxious for the temple to grow to a certain point
like how the astral currently worsk
spark flax
that would be...... interesting
weary merlin
Perhaps there could Lihzahrd workers that go around cleansing any world evils in the jungle and/or remudding the place.
tulip parcel
oh that's nice
peak prawn
About suggestions, does the ☑ mean something different from the ⭐ ?
tulip parcel
yeah maybe... what if
what if the jungle spread out from the temple
and then mud closest to the temple gets converted into lizahrd brick
up to a certain distance, so the entire jungle isn't taken over
spark flax
i appreciate this idea
tulip parcel
same for the re-muddification but a much, much larger range
spark flax
maybe starting just before yharon or something?
since like.
i dont think yharim's forces would take the takeover of the jungle very well
tulip parcel
nah I feel like Yharon is keeping the jungle under his foot
he's a jungle dragon
after you kill him, or at least scare him off the first time
the lizahrds start taking ove
peak prawn
Now i've realized what the pins are, i don't use discord that much. Thanks @weary merlin
tulip parcel
rokay I'm going to start... the long, LONG writeup for this
I could see this taking four posts
fuck this is gonna take a while...
lost agate
Or you could... Write it on a doc or something
tulip parcel
yeah that's what I'm doing right now
hearty ermine
why has @ [SSS] Delta#4741's suggestion not been sent yet, it has 92 stars lol
wind flicker
There's some others with really high star numbers too, guess the mod's just haven't gotten on it yet
hearty ermine
aight
radiant meadow
the last green checkmark was from last saturday
so yeah, mods just haven't been able to send them yet
hearty ermine
f
ashen warren
not even mods iirc
lost agate
Be patient, mods have to handle the peeps here plus checking these
ashen warren
think it has to be devs
lost agate
Well, even worse
Considering some like ozza dont really go out of one channel that often
radiant meadow
I think usually Mrrp and RoverdriveX send them.
ashen warren
ozza is the one that got my suggestion logged as a bug
he at least checks most of them
unfortunately im not badass enough to tag a dev so
hollow shell
Aight
Delivered all those suggestions within that timeframe
ashen warren
oh thats epic
hollow shell
Sorry I've been resting on my laurels
ashen warren
its alright
radiant meadow
now Ben's suggestion is both sent to dev server and in the bugs channel
topaz flint
oh I see
radiant meadow
delete the posts please
ashen warren
i tried
weak rain
there
sinful violet
Done
tulip parcel
guys uh
hollow shell
Aight
Anyway how common is it that Lul gets picked up and irritates somebody?
tulip parcel
me and lilith have been working on the lizahrd expansion
it's pretty thicc and I still need to flesh it out some
hollow shell
It's one of the most difficult to acquire items in the game, pretty specific condition
tulip parcel
four pages on google docs
topaz flint
the only way
it's possible for someone to have lul
is either through the long process to get it
or by using mods that get you it like cheat sheet
hollow shell
or if you just
name your character Fabsol pre-emptively
if you're aiming to get it
which you need to, in order to obtain it
topaz flint
either way
being a joke item
..
actually idk
all I know is that it's nowhere near as bad
as well...
<-<
am I allowed to speak of him
sleek wigeon
"remove testing item because fuck people who need immortality for whatever reason"
hearty yew
at least make it not require a name. jesus.