suggestions-discussion

[crimson dirge]

BoC

[lunar berry]

Is 5% that much tho?

[crimson dirge]

Yes

[placid perch]

Wet (Debuff)
Now puts out fire debuffs, and gives chilled debuff when in the Snow Biome

[astral gust]

meaning more reaction time

[lunar berry]

Yes, 5% more reaction time

[astral gust]

meaning 10x easier fight

[lunar berry]

Uh, technically its 5% easier fight but

[placid perch]

Meaning no challenge

[crimson dirge]

No challenge equals no fun.

[astral gust]

think about how extremely high of a percent that is when it comes to bosses

[ashen warren]

Plus it would be a really buggy wep

[lunar berry]

Where’s proof that bosses become easy after being slowed down 5%

[placid perch]

No fun means no happiness

[astral gust]

charges

[lunar berry]

I was thinking about a debuff

[ashen warren]

Because there are bosses that become trash with a 5% boost to damage

[crimson dirge]

The proof is that contact damage is a thing

[lunar berry]

So with that logic

[hollow shell]

@safe crystal How would you obtain it?

[lunar berry]

-5% equals much easier

So, +5% equals much harder?

That’s your logic, not mine

[crimson dirge]

Here let’s just make every boss have 99.99% DR to even the odds of the 5% slow debuff

[alpine copper]

Imma delete my glove suggestions

[astral gust]

remember on how the change to expert when 1.3 came out overwhelmed everyone by so much?

remember on how enraged anything is so much more scarier than the original version?

[lunar berry]

Trust me, it will be a little easier

Not a lot, but a little

[astral gust]

well we won't

simple as that

[crimson dirge]

Terraria’s code begs to differ

[lunar berry]

I dont think you would complain that much if bosses got a +5% speed buff

[ashen warren]

actually i would

[astral gust]

FISHRON GHOST PHASE

[ashen warren]

and have

[astral gust]

imagine that sack of bullshit huh

[lunar berry]

Yes he gets 5% faster

Big deal

[crimson dirge]

Very

[ashen warren]

Not on server since I am a lurker on anything that isn't suggestions

[astral gust]

very big fucking deal

[ashen warren]

The third phase of fishron is stupid

[crimson dirge]

Yharon 5% faster

[lunar berry]

In death mode, its probably 20-30% faster than expert mode

[placid perch]

Slime (Debuff)
Fire Debuffs do 25% more damage and the inflicted NPC is 10% slower

Slime Gun Mk 2
Crafted @ static refiner w/ Slime Gun, 30 Purified Gel, 9 Hellstone Bar, 70 Gel
Inflicts Glued, basicly a buffed up version of slime

Wet (Debuff)
Now puts out fire debuffs, and gives chilled debuff when in the Snow Biome

[ashen warren]

Which is why he's fucking hell on DM

Even 10% would be enough

[placid perch]

Is that a good suggestion?

[ashen warren]

You could suggest it

[astral gust]

@marsh gust and you say that you don't star your suggestions\

how dare you

[ashen warren]

But is there a why?

[hollow shell]

Is the first thing a revamp of the current Slime debuff?

[marsh gust]

i said i star mine >.>

[placid perch]

Oh yeah, thx Sequence

[marsh gust]

cause presidents vote for themselves

[astral gust]

#notmypresident

[marsh gust]

.>

[placid perch]

Slime (Debuff)
Fire Debuffs do 25% more damage and the inflicted NPC is 10% slower

Slime Gun Mk 2
Crafted @ static refiner w/ Slime Gun, 30 Purified Gel, 9 Hellstone Bar, 70 Gel
Inflicts Glued, basicly a buffed up version of slime

Wet (Debuff)
Now puts out fire debuffs, and gives chilled debuff when in the Snow Biome
Why? I think that even if it still does no damage the slime gun could get more benefit and use, and the Slime Gun Mk 2 is basicly just a way of upgrading the debuff, making it more powerful, the wet upgrade could also make the Water Gun be used to stop town NPCs from burning or help a teammate in Mp, or inflict wet on something to slow it down in the Snow biome

Good why? Or do I make my things way too long

[astral gust]

those are already status effects

[hollow shell]

The why is good
Just put an enter between it and Wet's description

[placid perch]

K

Yeah, upgrading them

[ashen warren]

Actually that why convinced me

[placid perch]

They can only be inflicted via Slime and Water Gun

[ashen warren]

Really well done 👍

[placid perch]

Thx

[lunar berry]

Demon flames now do 3125 dps instead of 2500

[astral gust]

it's pretty good

[hollow shell]

I'm thinking that you can maybe separate the two debuff revamps from Slime Gun Mk 2, like you post the debuffs first in one suggestion then the weapon suggestion immediately after

Considering they're pretty separate ideas

[placid perch]

Thx for the support

Will do

[hollow shell]

(make sure you associate the correct "Why"s with each)

[alpine copper]

I changed my thrower glove suggestio n almost completely, i think its better like this but i would appreciate feedback

[placid perch]

Better

[sleek wigeon]

water gun giving chilled debuff in ice biome

calamity, the mod that removed chilled from ice water

[ashen warren]

It's still really op for any post-ml throwing wep

[placid perch]

Would like it if the Shinobi Glove made them bounce since there is Royal Gel

[sleek wigeon]

[placid perch]

Well

Now there is chilled from water guns

My logic

[alpine copper]

Well sequence i have seen OP-er things, but i kinda made it like this cuz im planning to post a thrower armor idea that serves as a thrower alternative to xeroc for prov which will also be "blackhole armor")

[placid perch]

Upgrade the ninja armor

[alpine copper]

That was my plan

[ashen warren]

Even a quarter damage valediction afterimage would be OP af

[placid perch]

Ninja armor + Statigel Armor + Bones

[ashen warren]

The reason why it's not so bad with ranged is because we don't have projectiles that deal 100k+ damage per use

[alpine copper]

Also SJD06 bouncing throw makes more sense with pink gel not royal

[placid perch]

Statis' Hood, Robe and smth else

True

[alpine copper]

Thats why add stats its dev job sequence, they know how they balance this stuff

[astral gust]

that's not the point

the stats isn't where it's broken

it's the concept itself

[alpine copper]

So wbat should i change?

[ashen warren]

Make it not split projectiles

[placid perch]

The amount of things it does

[ashen warren]

That's a ranged gimmick anyway

Everything else is fine tbh

Though

[alpine copper]

Sounds ok

[ashen warren]

"15% increase to dmg, crit chance, projectile and use speed" is a bit strong for a luminite tier item

[alpine copper]

I imagined 20 or 25 woukd be strong

Void of extinction has a general 15% increase

And its pre moon

[ashen warren]

20 % all stats is post-DoG tier

I did say a bit

[placid perch]

After all that work everyone forgot my suggestion, lol

[alpine copper]

Hmm

10%? ( lol sorry sjd06)

[ashen warren]

Hasn't been starred yet

[placid perch]

Ik

[ashen warren]

Make it that projectiles have a chance to asplode or something like that

[placid perch]

It was a joke as we were all talking about it and now weve moved onto smth else entirely

[ashen warren]

10% on final upgrade or whatever

[alpine copper]

Ok 10% it is then

[ashen warren]

Then reduce it to 5% > 7% > 10%

Perfecc

Imo

[placid perch]

You put 5% > 5% > 10%

[alpine copper]

Fixed

[placid perch]

There u go

[alpine copper]

Also added explode effect instead of split and the final upgarde only inflicts nebula flare (or nightwither if ya like that better) instead of daybroken

[queen epoch]

resprite for demonshade armor?

it doesnt really hit that "end-game" note

[worthy fiber]

Resprites aren't really suggested

[queen epoch]

what

[worthy fiber]

People just make them if they want to

[queen epoch]

oh ok

suggestions is basically for new content or?

[hollow shell]

Pretty much everything except resprites :P

[queen epoch]

oh

[glad thunder]

Old suggestion, but auto clicker + 2.5x faster fire rate on P90 would probably crash the game

[hollow shell]

I don't think it would actually be any faster than normal P90

it's usetime is already 1

[queen epoch]

what about -1?

[hollow shell]

It wouldnt fire

[queen epoch]

0?

[hollow shell]

Same

[queen epoch]

nothing happens

0.1?

[glad thunder]

Yeah, I did notice after a certain amount of modifiers that stuff just stopped getting faster

So

[hollow shell]

Pretty sure usetimes can't be decimals but I'm not 100% sure

[glad thunder]

If they can

Then we must make a 0.00000000000000000000001 fire speed gun

[ashen warren]

No we don't

[glad thunder]

And then use chlorophyte bullets and crash the game

[queen epoch]

will robux ever be used as a currency in calamity mod?

or terraria in general?

[ashen warren]

my poor game

ROBUX

no

[queen epoch]

WHAT?

[glad thunder]

We need a mod

That resprites coins into robux

[queen epoch]

i think it already exits

exists*

[glad thunder]

We have one for rupees, I have it

[queen epoch]

is soma prime better than void dragon?

[glad thunder]

Honestly weapon suggestions and armor suggestions are getting out of hand, we need more quality of life suggestions and preexisting feature enhancements suggestions

[queen epoch]

thanks for ur suggestion

[glad thunder]

I think we have enough weapons and armor currently lmao

[queen epoch]

ik

we need more bosses

[glad thunder]

Yeah boss suggestions aren't accepted

[queen epoch]

fric

[glad thunder]

Against rules, and I know why

[queen epoch]

because its too obvious?

[placid perch]

There is lore

[glad thunder]

Boss suggestions are the most spammed and most cancerous

[ashen warren]

We need more weapons specifically for post-golem thrower

[placid perch]

And the last boss is SCal

[ashen warren]

I can't think of anything else rn

[glad thunder]

Also boss ideas are better made up by the Dev's due to lore and such

And whoever made this custom keyboard I got on my phone has no idea how to speak English Cuz this auto correct is a nightmare

[placid perch]

Someone else can post this since Ive posted enough for the day, but there should be spikey balls that drop from Lihizards and are overall better

So if anyone wants to use that idea go ahead

Huh

Wet makes Cute Fishron do the speed boost as if its in water

Water Gun secret Mp use?

[neon panther]

@worthy raptor I did it

[worthy fiber]

[spark flax]

OOF NEEDING 10 BANANARANGS TO MAKE ELE DISK / CELESTUS

AINT ABOUT THAT

[ashen warren]

Make em a guaranteed drop from clowns or nope

[spark flax]

THOSE THINGS DROP STUPIDLY INFREQUENTLY

[astral gust]

even with guranteed drops

[spark flax]

also oof relevant meme reposting their buffs document for the five hundredth time

[astral gust]

clowns are still rare

[ashen warren]

2 each clown?

[spark flax]

also oof warframe ref suggestion with no thought put into it

[ashen warren]

Only 5 needed

[spark flax]

oofs all around my bois (n gals (n enbyfolk))

i like the ultra liquidator suggestion tho

[astral gust]

biome cnidrions need more stars

[spark flax]

makes it less super outclassed by everglade

also agreed

biome cnidrians r actually good

[astral gust]

the siren's heart + drunk princess thing is hilarious tho

[spark flax]

tru

"I'm not a fishfucker, but..."

[astral gust]

"Umm... you'll do."

[lunar berry]

yay more sexual references

[wicked swift]

Wonder how much the drunk princess upped the age rating.

[lunar berry]

R 18+

Also the drunk princess is bisexual

I have proof

[astral gust]

did you not see the rest of her quotes?

[worthy fiber]

Terraria's already rated T

[lunar berry]

I did

[astral gust]

why are you complaining about an npc which is literally a horny incarnation of fab?

[wicked swift]

Where exactly do you see complaining?

[lunar berry]

Because she’s bi

[ruby cobalt]

"being drunk I have no moral compass atm"

[lunar berry]

And thats kinda weird

dont kill me

[ruby cobalt]

kicks you in the balls

[quasi fable]

Hmm?

Without spoiling too much when do i get her

[spark flax]

have fabsol vodka in ur inventory

bish boom bam

cirrus obtained

[quasi fable]

Oh

[spark flax]

gotta have a house for her too obvs

[quasi fable]

Is it always called circus

Cirrus* lol

[spark flax]

ye

[quasi fable]

Santa claus the santa claus

[tulip parcel]

Well you wouldn’t want Rudolph the Santa Claus now would you

Smh

[tired haven]

Cirrus the Santa Claus tbh

[marsh gust]

actually, santa claus is originated from father christmas and saint nicholas... father christmas encourages drinking

so its kinda fitting.. somehow.. what crab said

[tulip parcel]

Mercenary's Blade
"...And so he left, never to become human again."
Post Moonlord True(?) Melee Weapon
Every color of Phasesaber (Blue, Red, Green, Purple, White, Yellow) + Divine Geodes

A cyan-white beam sword, thicker than most phaseblades. Has a large range, high damage, autoswings quickly and has much higher knockback than other phaseblades.

The blade comes with an additional function; if the user presses RMB with the Blade as their active item, they initiate an instantaneous dash, turning briefly invulnerable and harming enemies between them and the dashes' endpoint. This hit's knockback is directed towards the initial dashing point, rather than the endpoint.

This effect has a ten second cooldown. However, if the user hits an enemy during the dash, they may dash again for up to two seconds afterward. This free dash may grant the user one more dash, with the same two second timer for using it. However, whether or not the user hits or misses with these free dashes, the cooldown will start only after the two second grace period for a free dash has ended.

Why should this be added: Phaseblades are criminally underused in Calamity, due to the sheer amount of better options than them. Giving a better reason for crafting them, as well as granting their final product a stronger utility, I think would greatly improve Calamity's overall nonlinearity.

How does this look?

should I maybe make a diagram or something of it?

[ashen warren]

You should move it to #suggestions-voting

[tulip parcel]

No I uh

before I post -any- suggestion

I usually discuss it first

drh knows

[ruby cobalt]

yes I know

also is that a quote from RoR

it is, right?

[tulip parcel]

it's more than that drh

[ruby cobalt]

O ye, the dashes.

[tulip parcel]

yeah this is uh

I think I'm gonna get in trouble for the level of "reference" this is

[ruby cobalt]

Literally how mercenary works.

[tulip parcel]

yeah

cooldown is significantly increased though

mercenary gets 6 second cd

this is 10

do you think it works, though?

[ruby cobalt]

Mmm, yeah.

[tulip parcel]

okay I'll throw it onto the suggestions then

[hollow shell]

Tempted to ask for Spelunker Glowsticks to be added to the Metal Detector recipe
but then it'd still rely on finding a random guy underground, just a more common one

[raw patio]

you can get spelunker glowsticks from the abyss

[hollow shell]

True

[ashen warren]

That sounds reasonable, certainly more so than no recipe

[true valley]

Tempted to suggest Logan's Gun to pair up with the bl2 shotguns

Have it cost rubies+flintlock+illegal gun parts just to have it be utterly useless

Or it could craft with bee items to make a Hornet which is slightly less useless

And then with the gunk shot to make a Harold which just fires a fixed shotgun-pattern that has a chance to fire twice

[worthy fiber]

@fossil torrent They'll be added when they're sprited

[fossil torrent]

Sprite it faster ;_;

[worthy fiber]

Why don't you do it

[heavy sundial]

What does he want ?

[worthy fiber]

RotJD music box

[heavy sundial]

I Pass x)

I'm surprised there is no "WhErE's SUpReMe CaLaMiTaS mUsIc BoX ?"

Since it's been a meme on Dokuro's channel

[worthy fiber]

[heavy sundial]

Not that I hope so :|

[azure sapphire]

maybe yummy mode (obtain from starter bag) and it enables hunger system like in minecraft?

[worthy fiber]

Why would you want a hunger system

[azure sapphire]

so you can die if you dont have food

[worthy fiber]

Just live off Fab's alcohol tbh

And this isn't a survival game smh, that'll just be annoying

[azure sapphire]

o yes it is

xd

[placid perch]

Nah, its a sandbox adventure game

Not survival game

[grizzled pasture]

What would a hunger system add

[low hedge]

foond

[agile cloud]

Nohing useful

[grizzled pasture]

More ways to die doesn't make the game more challenging it just makes it more tedious

[severe herald]

it would make growing pumpkins useful

[grizzled pasture]

That's already useful for activating pumpkin moon and farming money

And there's already plenty of farming plants If you are into that

Potions

They add a reason to grow plants and fish

[severe herald]

cough pumpkin pie

[grizzled pasture]

This isn't minecraft

[sleek wigeon]

Expert already kinda adds a hunger system

[low hedge]

a hunger for blood

[sleek wigeon]

In that if you arent well fed, your life regen regen and rampup is cut in like half

[heavy sundial]

Why would you wish for a hunger bar in calamity anyway

[sleek wigeon]

Anyhow, hunger sounds more like an overhaul thing

go suggest it there

im sure they'd

[heavy sundial]

Agree

[sleek wigeon]

eat it up

[heavy sundial]

Go out ._.

[hearty yew]

@tulip parcel risk of rain respect

[tulip parcel]

👏

[civic rampart]

New yoyo somewhere near yharon?

Uh I'm not gud at ideas, but yoyos srly needs a buff

[ashen warren]

It's almost as is yoyos are getting buffed this update

[lucid marsh]

I edited my suggestion again, this time with a reason why it should be added. I didn’t repost it this time

[placid perch]

Slime Medal
Only rewarded to true heros
Either revengence mode drop from King Slime's treasure bag or made @ anvil w/ Royal Gel, 20 Iron bars, 20 Gold bars, Slime Staff, Slime Hook, and 5 silk

[gusty geode]

I know I'm several hours late but how was my optic staff rework suggestion a nerf
It was meant to be a buff so you could have control of how many of each eye there was

[placid perch]

It would be equipable simmilar to Joost Mod's sapling and you could craft it with another item like a copper axe, Copper Short and Broad Sword, Copper Pickaxe, & Copper Bow

Alternatively it could have a invintory w/ one hotbar slot to equip a weapon

Unlike the sapling it can freely move around, but counts to your minion total

Pickaxe would make the slime summoned mine ore, gems, and help mine whatever your mining

Axe would make him chop down all trees on the screen, and help to chop down trees you're chopping down

Bow and both Swords attack the highest DPS enemy, loot gotten from any of the slimes will either go into their mini invintory, or teleport to yours

Turning off their visability will make Axe and Pickaxe stop mining everything so you can do it yourself if you want, and bow and swords will attack the enemy closest to you.

Slimes are also friendly, and they don't attack slimes

If you guys instead want the invintory then all picks and axes and swords ect ect would work, they also have the same attack as the equiped item

Summon boosting items boost their stats and you'd need multiple Slime Medals for more

They also use Slime hooks to get to targets

[shadow prism]

Make the permanent rage/adren consumables change the bar colors like the hp and mana ones do.

[wise pollen]

^

[placid perch]

So Im thinking of the crafted version only able to use a Copper Axe Pickaxe Bow Short and Broad Sword, then Revengence mode drop from King Slime's bag being the inventory one that can use all weapons (except for Summoner weapons)

Now should you right click the slime itself or the medallion to access the inventory

[lucid oracle]

i-frames seem to be a pretty terrible system, at least on enemies, don't you think? They add an arbitrary limit that hurts some weapons a lot more than others, especially some summons.

Piercing i-frames also, but i'm not sure if those have been changed so shotgunning something with meteor shot doesn't only hit them once.

[ashen warren]

Why does my suggestion have over 50 votes.

[radiant meadow]

that rain suggestion

as if I need more lag for scal

[tulip parcel]

don't worry

there's only a risk of rain

[wicked swift]

1. I specifically said lightly to try to prevent that
2. Torrential tear exists

[shadow prism]

xeroc exists

[alpine copper]

its multiclass

[radiant meadow]

except torrential tear is annoying to use for every fight

[hollow shell]

Google Docs would be preferable over a .docx

[radiant meadow]

its already a pain for cryogen

and light rain still lags

[alpine copper]

i know im just used to word

[hollow shell]

copy-paste

[alpine copper]

so should i post it again?

[hollow shell]

Ye

[alpine copper]

ok

[radiant meadow]

I thought the stars used to be switched?
I assumed they switched it because people weren't a fan of the bright pink stars.

[shadow prism]

hence my earlier suggestion

[hollow shell]

Nah I think they were always like this

Could have been a communication error, or a difference from what was planned and what got released

Because I do know there was originally a fourth mana upgrade planned which would give you white hearts, which just never happened, so maybe something involving that resulted in the mix-up

[shadow prism]

that would be epic

imagine if they were flaming shadowspec style hearts/stars

tbh we need vanity stars/hearts for epic customization purposes

[hollow shell]

I can only imagine the tackiness

[alpine copper]

@hollow shell is that better?

[hollow shell]

nnnnnnnnno

I meant a link
to
a Google Doc

[alpine copper]

...........

[hollow shell]

We don't want anybody to have to download anything, is the thing.

[alpine copper]

give me a sec

does the link works ok?

[frosty kindle]

it says i need permission to access

[alpine copper]

what?

[frosty kindle]

try make it so anyone with the link can view the document, but only you can edit.

[radiant meadow]

also, give a brief run down of what's in the doc

[hollow shell]

Ye, "need permission"

[alpine copper]

well since i didnt wanted to make a wall of text i made a doc with the reason of my idea and how to craft the armor and its effects

[hollow shell]

He's sayin that because
your message in #suggestions-voting had no context attached, just the link

[frosty kindle]

👍
good stuff, RedMex!

[alpine copper]

thanks

but now that its finally accesable i would appreciate any feedback

[hollow shell]

(smh `` with the suggestion steal)

[placid perch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sgtj3u-skq7Yb6n6mMcKRCY9RQZEiGhdocbGqIutePg/edit?usp=drivesdk

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bM33KZcZAduTzvxAy9DQz92hUSiFP4bovNDYHs8-b6E/edit?usp=drivesdk
This is the docs for these, they'll be separate posts and have context, but please give some feedback so I can change it

[lucid oracle]

Seems a bit too gimmicky, and possibly obscenely strong if you can equip them with weapons.

Unless it's limited to very specific weapons, or they have their own built-in attacks that just scale off the weapon/ammo type given to them

[placid perch]

Exactly why I said it could be Death Mode to make it harder to get, it also can be scaled down by them, but I'll make it less powerful

Now its damage is 75% of the weapons damage

But thats just a example

Is that better?

[tulip parcel]

Last Breath
"You cannot win"
Post-Yharon Accessory
Yharon Soul Fragments + Living Fire + Yharim's Gift

A burning corona, glowing red even in the player's inventory.

The player does not die when dealt a killing blow. Instead, they become immune to all damage for five seconds, and recover up to 30% of their health. The player is able to function as normal during this period. After these five seconds, their immunity is removed. After five more seconds, the player dies.

[placid perch]

Hmmm

So some time to maybe put money away

[ruby cobalt]

fucking

soul fragments and yharim's gift

time to put money away

[tulip parcel]

I dunno, is a "prevent death" accessory strong enough to warrant a "you die"

[lost agate]

So, silva but with a fuck you effect?

[ruby cobalt]

Silva already has a "fuck you" effect.

[placid perch]

fuck you x 100

[ruby cobalt]

So it's Silva taken to the next level of fuck you.

[lost agate]

Yes

[ruby cobalt]

I can take it up one more level though, if you'd want.

Every frame you have a 0.001% chance to die.

[lost agate]

[tulip parcel]

nonono

I have it

[low hedge]

RNG death

[placid perch]

And your items drop every 100 Fuck yous

[lucid oracle]

On that prevent death accessory, I think it needs something else to warrant ever even using it.

I don't think an accessory that delays my death by 5-10 seconds is worth even considering.

[tulip parcel]

I mean, ten seconds can mean the difference between winning and losing

[lost agate]

You know what is the maximun fuck you?
An accesory that doubles your health but has a chance to instakill you
... Oh wait

[tulip parcel]

pfft

[lucid oracle]

Yeah, but so can an accessory that gives you extra damage or survivability, meaning you never need to die in the first place.

It doesn't have any utility beyond your death is delayed. I could put that slot to better use with an accessory that lets me avoid death better, or kill the boss faster.

It's usefulness is further diminished by the fact it would only be worth having equipped at the end of the boss fight, if you die anywhere else it doesn't actually do anything

[lost agate]

Not to mention you aint gonna do a lot in 10 seconds against scal

[tulip parcel]

Okay... hang on

[lucid oracle]

So at best it would be something you quickly equip when you're about to kill the boss

[tulip parcel]

how about this

instead of the ten second timer, the accessory fully heals you on death, once per life

-but-

it causes a permanent "on fire" debuff

[lost agate]

Ugh no

[tulip parcel]

like, until you die

[lucid oracle]

I think reduced damage would be a better trade off

On fire isn't really... something that you'd care about.

[lost agate]

Auric just does the job better

[tulip parcel]

I mean yeah

but this is an -accessory-

[lost agate]

And thats a waste

Because you got an armor that is better, why waste an accesory

[lucid oracle]

I think overall, to make it an item people would even consider using you'd need to give it extra utility so that it has a use case outside of the very end of a bossfight when you die. On top of that, make it available earlier, since at that point you'd be wanting to maximize your DPS/survivability so you can do the boss fight better, your goal at the very end of the game should be to not die, period.

To remove it's specific use case of the very end of a bossfight, give it a hefty penalty. You did die, you should be heavily punished for it, half damage possibly.

[placid perch]

So does the nerf to the True Slime Medal work?

[lucid oracle]

Otherwise it's nothing more than a crutch, I mean it's always going to be a crutch, but it might be a useful crutch when you're not fully confident in your own abilities.

[tulip parcel]

I mean I get that but, you understand the flavor of this item, right?

This is meant to emulate phase two Yharon

[lucid oracle]

That doesn't mean it's going to be useful at the time you acquire it

[tulip parcel]

And? Does it make sense for a yharon-y item being acquired from DoG? Or Providence?

not really

[lucid oracle]

If you're expecting to die fighting Scal, you probably shouldn't be fighting Scal

[tulip parcel]

what

what are you smoking

[lucid oracle]

What? If you acquire it from Yharon, you know where you're going next?

[tulip parcel]

"if you're expecting to die fighting scal, you probably shouldn't be fighting scal"

yes, because a superboss isn't difficult

[lucid oracle]

Yes. You kill Yharon. Next up is Scal

[tulip parcel]

and if you think you're gonna die don't try ever

[placid perch]

The slimes damage is 75% of the weapons damage, that a good nerf?

[hollow shell]

Last Breath seems kinda useless
How much effect can you really have in 10 seconds?

Unless you give it a massive damage up during the revive period or remove the delayed instant-death, I don't see it being useful

[lucid oracle]

@placid perch honestly I just can't think of a justification to let it use weapons. You might want other opinions on it keeping the weapon, I just don't think it would work.

Not only would it be absurd, you with a Shredder and a slime with a Shredder? Or the powerful end-game swords

Well, that's really all I can say

[placid perch]

True

[lucid oracle]

Maybe forcing it to have a fixed use-time

i.e it can only fire the weapon every 10 seconds

[lost agate]

Also if you toggle last breath youre just making the inevitable take longer

Aka you die

Better just have auric and have a chance

[lucid oracle]

I just don't think that accessory is good as a post-Yharon accessory, period. You should be aiming on not dying at that point in the game.

[hollow shell]

bruh

that's not good logic

[tulip parcel]

dude you're -GONNA- die

that's retarded

I picked apart your "if you think you're gonna die to Scal don't try scal" already, you wanna keep that thread going?

[lucid oracle]

No you didn't

[hollow shell]

Why play the video game if you might lose a life?

[lost agate]

Im pretty sure he means, if i "die" to scal why keep trying the 10 seconds i have left

[lucid oracle]

@hollow shell I never said that at all. I said that your goal should be to not die.

[tulip parcel]

why play the video game if you take damage

just put down the controller

[lucid oracle]

nice strawman

[sleek wigeon]

@lucid oracle hey dont diss onfire

[tulip parcel]

hell, just unplug the computer

why try

[hollow shell]

A revive accessory assists in your goal of not dying

[sleek wigeon]

Onfire completely negates all your life regen

[hollow shell]

In fact it is one of the most direct ways to prevent death
death prevention

[lucid oracle]

I mean you died, it just gives you another life

[lost agate]

Not dying 10 seconds after

[tulip parcel]

Alright fine

look

once per life it revives you in the yharon-esque way, beneath all other "revive" effects in priority

[lucid oracle]

At least, personally, my goal is to just not die, i mean I'm intending do all the bosses with no damage taken, but that'll require me to be a lot better than i currently am.

[tulip parcel]

good for you

[sleek wigeon]

"once per life come back to life"

[hollow shell]

I mean yeah

That's essentially what Silva is

[lost agate]

And its better to just get auric

[sleek wigeon]

but you need silva for auirc

[hollow shell]

Well you can have both Last Breath and Auric at the same time

and Nebulous Core
and Permafrost's Concoction

never die

[lost agate]

But would that be worth it?

Oh well

[placid perch]

Weapon speed is locked at a max of 10
Since thats a example it will be most likely higher though

That good?

[lucid oracle]

@placid perch 10 what

[hollow shell]

Give it AMR

[sleek wigeon]

10 use time

[lucid oracle]

That's really low

[sleek wigeon]

eh

its moderately low

[lucid oracle]

iirc a use time of 60 is once per second

[hollow shell]

uhhh

[sleek wigeon]

yup

[hollow shell]

oh

yeah

[lucid oracle]

I'd probably go with a use time of maybe 5x the weapons use time

Or 10

[sleek wigeon]

5x is bad

[lucid oracle]

Since you are just giving a summon a gun

[sleek wigeon]

you mean /5 right?

[hollow shell]

Nah, 5x

higher number means slower

[sleek wigeon]

Im confused what are we talking about?

[lucid oracle]

No I mean 5x, the context is a summon that you can give weapons

[hollow shell]

We're tryin to nerf something

[shadow prism]

Five mostly unrelated ideas;

1. Add 3 mana crystals to each permanent mana upgrade’s recipe, since each hp upgrade has 5 life fruit
2. Voidblood, a fourth mana upgrade made from post polter materials, bloodstone cores and voidstone
3. Make npcs have 2x hp after any boss, 5x hp after WoF and 10x hp after ML (these don’t stack)
4. Make fab npc more like like dye trader, have her sell base drinks and a drink mixer and make the others crafted from materials and base drinks (like Caribbean rum is rum + ocean materials)
5. Remove profaned guardians and make the non consumable profaned core craftable immediately after ML, make profaned guardians theme play during guardian phases in the providence fight

[placid perch]

My True Slime Medal

[lucid oracle]

So my two recommendations for this are, give it it's own attacks and have the damage of those attacks scale off the weapon it is given, as well as the attacks changing based on whether it's a magic, ranged, melee weapon etc. Gains new attacks as you progress.

[hollow shell]

remove Profaned Guardians

Bold words

[lucid oracle]

Or, if you're intent on keeping the equipping

Just drastically increase the use time

[shadow prism]

they’re completely pointless rn

[lucid oracle]

Somewhere in the realm of 5-10x

[sleek wigeon]

they serve a lore and flavor purpose

[shadow prism]

their sole purpose is forcing you to farm them for provi summons

[sleek wigeon]

lore and flavor

[hollow shell]

It's to offer some buffer between fighting two major bosses

[lucid oracle]

Although, considering they can't equip accessories 4-5x might be reasonable enough

[hollow shell]

If they feel pointless, then give em a point

[shadow prism]

at least birb has a couple drops

guardians have none

[hollow shell]

i.e. drops

[shadow prism]

yeah a rework would be fine also

[sleek wigeon]

it would rework

[lucid oracle]

On a side note, bosses don't scale in multiplayer until you have 7+ players right?

[shadow prism]

anyways, feedback on the other 4?

[sleek wigeon]

Eh, npcs getting more health isnt really nessacary

[tulip parcel]

okay... how about this. you want a benefit, I think I can give a decent one. instead of just reviving the player on death and nothing else, the accessory increases damage depending on how low the player's life is, up to 50% at 10% health. This bypasses revengeance damage caps.

Upon reaching 10% HP or "dying", the damage bonus from last breath is doubled, and the player's HP is set to 1 for three seconds, the player being immune to damage during this time. After this, the player's HP cap is set to 30%, however they still benefit from the doubled bonus as if their max health was normal.

[sleek wigeon]

a boss running through them is gonna kill them regardless

[shadow prism]

yeah but enemies ohko them too

and that’s annoying

[sleek wigeon]

Enemies cant spawn by npcs

except during like

[shadow prism]

also what boss does 2,500 damage

[sleek wigeon]

blood moons

[lucid oracle]

@tulip parcel Definitely an improvement but now it's a bit too good, you shouldn't get a permanant bonus for dying. If the bonus wears off I think it's alright as an item

[tulip parcel]

50% may be way too much

[sleek wigeon]

Doggo train can easily do that much

[shadow prism]

alright but besides doggo

it’s annoying for some random laser to kill tinkerer or whatever

[sleek wigeon]

a scal arena would do it too

[lunar berry]

The amount of revives in caalmity tho

[tulip parcel]

okay so if the bonus wears off but it still caps you at 30%, is that alright

[lunar berry]

Get auric, then permafrost concoction and then nebulous core

[tulip parcel]

being capped at 30% is a severe punishment for death

[shadow prism]

honestly just make npcs invincible but make nurse not work while a boss is alive

[lucid oracle]

Yeah I mean, you get a good bonus out of it, you're still punished for dying

I mean

[sleek wigeon]

Yharon being summoned on npcs

would also kill them all

[lucid oracle]

It's a lesser punishment than the boss despawning

[shadow prism]

yeah but who does that

this is more random one off projectiles that go through blocks

[sleek wigeon]

Who fucking fights blood moons or solar eclipses by their npcs?

[lucid oracle]

I would totally agree with the nurse being disabled during boss fights

[shadow prism]

no one

[sleek wigeon]

Hence why they dont need more hp

[shadow prism]

but some bosses end up near them if you take them across the map

[lucid oracle]

then don't take them near your home

👀

[shadow prism]

honestly the fact that they can die at all is rarted

[sleek wigeon]

What post ml are you gonna take across the map?

[lucid oracle]

(player issue)

[radiant meadow]

doggo?

[shadow prism]

doggo I guess?

[sleek wigeon]

Doggos gonna kill them fucking regardless

[shadow prism]

whatever, feedback on the other 3?

[radiant meadow]

my doggo run took like half of a medium world

[lucid oracle]

Not fighting doggo in your own 150x150 arena

[teal shoal]

who needs 150x150

[radiant meadow]

too dangerous

[sleek wigeon]

1 is completely unnessacary and 2 is also completely unnessacary.

[lunar berry]

not fighting doggo while standing still

[shadow prism]

1 is a nice consistency change

[lunar berry]

Lol

[radiant meadow]

laser walls already completely ruin my no hits

[lucid oracle]

git gud 😏

[radiant meadow]

and if I stood still, body lasers would kill me in phase 1

says the person who hasn't no hitted death and rev doggo

[shadow prism]

what about 3

[lucid oracle]

Why you gotta flex on me like that 😢

[round falcon]

I like 3 and 4 but 5 is unneccecary

[radiant meadow]

what are these numbers?

[round falcon]

Their suggestion list above.

[radiant meadow]

like how far above?

I scrolled up a lot

[lost agate]

Why remove guardians when you can keep them as practice for provi?

[lucid oracle]

They're not really practice

[lost agate]

They kinda are

[radiant meadow]

they're really not

[round falcon]

They're still a good fight

[lucid oracle]

They don't have anything in common with the boss fight

They're really easy to kill

[round falcon]

If it ain't broke don't fiddle with it

[lucid oracle]

That's horrible reasoning

[radiant meadow]

sure they have a similar ai to the defense and offense guardians but they're so much tankier and don't have prov aiding them with crystal, flames, lasers, and spears

to "practice" you need the full package

and also, guardians now have minimap icons so you actually know where they are

in prov's fight, you can be left blind and randomly sniped

[lucid oracle]

On a related note, I'm not sure if this is just a Revengeance thing because I haven't gone through death mode yet

But why are the bosses, at least the ones up to Providence just... so weak

[shadow prism]

ML

fishron

[lucid oracle]

When I got to the providence bossfight she couldn't even kill me

Fishron is an exception

[shadow prism]

yeah you’re using other mods

[lucid oracle]

I had more trouble with him than the moonlord

[radiant meadow]

and perfs are quite annoying without roof cheese ngl

[lunar berry]

Try doing it but with only caalmity and QoL mods

[radiant meadow]

and moon lord

[lucid oracle]

I'm fairly sure none of the mods I have installed change the boss fights, at all

[shadow prism]

do you have an rpg mod

[lucid oracle]

no

[radiant meadow]

you use calamity gear?

[lucid oracle]

ye

[radiant meadow]

did you try to no hit?

[lucid oracle]

Thorium and Spirit are installed but I don't actually use them

No I specifically said without nohit reee

[radiant meadow]

don't forget that in rev, you can tank stuff

[shadow prism]

expert DR strats prolly

[radiant meadow]

you can't tank in no hits

[lucid oracle]

naturally

[radiant meadow]

so its more understandable I guess

[lucid oracle]

no hit is the big mans way of playing

[placid perch]

So I did the math and True Tyrant's Ultisword does 124 Damage and has a use time of 54, I did x 3 instead as 5 seemed like too much

[lucid oracle]

But I can understand that not everyone wants to do that

[shadow prism]

base damage doesn’t matter

[lucid oracle]

But ye I'm on Expert Revengeance because why would you play anything else

[radiant meadow]

just beating a boss can be way easier than no hitting it depending on what it is

[shadow prism]

that’s just called rev btw

not expert rev

[lucid oracle]

o

[lunar berry]

Hah ‘expert revengeance’

[radiant meadow]

still get triggered by people saying expert rev death

[lunar berry]

I play normal expert revengeance

Fite me

[lucid oracle]

I don't play anything else ¯_(ツ)_/¯

normal mode is babby tier

[lunar berry]

I’m better than all of you lol

[shadow prism]

honestly more people should try dm, if anything it’s easier besides scal

[radiant meadow]

anyone who plays on normal expert rev death is a nerd

[lunar berry]

its a joke dont kill me

[lucid oracle]

How is death mode easier

[shadow prism]

adren is busted af

[lunar berry]

Adrenaline

[radiant meadow]

and rage

[lucid oracle]

I've never actually used adrenaline

[lunar berry]

1000% damage

[lucid oracle]

I don't use rage either 😂

[radiant meadow]

rev rage is nothing

[shadow prism]

big iq

[lunar berry]

You have big iq

[lucid oracle]

thanks

[lunar berry]

Cuz u dont use adrenaline

[placid perch]

Does x4 work for the use time Reviire?

[lunar berry]

That was sarcasm

[lucid oracle]

Seems reasonable enough

That would reduce the p90 to firing 15 times per second rather than 60

and that's the only weapon i know the firerate off by heart

(I still think having it's own attacks would be cooler tho)

[lunar berry]

Just buff the damage lmao

[radiant meadow]

wait, reducing p90's firing speed?

plz, don't do that

[placid perch]

For my thing

[lucid oracle]

That wasn't the conversation but it's a bad weapon anyway

[radiant meadow]

calling p90 bad weapon

[lucid oracle]

Watch this

[radiant meadow]

excuse me?

[lucid oracle]

enemy has defense

[placid perch]

This
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bM33KZcZAduTzvxAy9DQz92hUSiFP4bovNDYHs8-b6E/edit?usp=drivesdk

[radiant meadow]

watch this
wears Deific Amulet

then proceeds to use Everglades Spray

[vague snow]

I sense p90 being nerfed from a kilometer away

[radiant meadow]

then spams Hyperius bullets

[lucid oracle]

o shit i forgot that item gives armor pen

[radiant meadow]

It already is

[placid perch]

You were wrong

[lucid oracle]

ok then it needs a specific set of items

[radiant meadow]

reaver range nerf affects p90

ataxia range with p90 is ok but reaver ranged is better

although not sure with nerf now

[tulip parcel]

Dying Roar
"You cannot win"
Expert Mode Post-Yharon Accessory
Yharon Soul Fragment + Living Fire + Yharim's Gift

A burning corona, glowing red even in the player's inventory. While equipped, the player gains a bonus to damage, which scales as their health lowers, capping at 10% HP. Additionally, a flaming aura is visible as the player's HP drops, though this effect is purely cosmetic.

Once per life, the accessory will prevent death. For three seconds, the player's HP is set to one, the damage bonus of Dying Roar is doubled, and the player is immune to damage. After these three seconds have passed, the player's HP and Max HP are set to 30% until death, and the damage bonus of Dying Roar returns to normal. Dying Roar still functions as normal, treating the player as if they were at 30% of their regular life for the sake of its damage bonus.

Attempting to equip or unequip Dying Roar during a bossfight will kill the player, despawn the boss, and give the death message "[Player] was burnt to cinder."

[placid perch]

Gtg

[radiant meadow]

so, essentially a worse version of silva revive with damage bonuses?

[vague snow]

Or just "[Player] was licked"

[radiant meadow]

that's boring

[vague snow]

no u

[radiant meadow]

custom death messages are better

[tulip parcel]

are you saying the accessory is boring or the generic death mesasge

this is meant to mirror Yharon

[vague snow]

he meant the generic death message

[radiant meadow]

yeah, the death message

although, it does seem suspiciously a lot like silva revive

[tulip parcel]

it's kind of different? I mean the damage is meant to be significant

not just like "5% at 50% hp"

[radiant meadow]

how much would you plan the bonuses to be?

like roughly

[shadow prism]

we need custom death messages for a lot of stuff in calamity tbh

most glaringly armageddon

[tulip parcel]

...30% at highest?

[placid perch]

Back

[radiant meadow]

would it bypass caps?

[tulip parcel]

yes

[radiant meadow]

👀

[ashen warren]

That's a bit strong

And by "bit" I mean OP af

[tulip parcel]

okay maybe like... 20% bypassing?

[ashen warren]

I guess

Still pretty strong

Can't be used in nohits though

[tulip parcel]

well it's a post yharon accessory

[radiant meadow]

although, you would have to be at a very low health

and the damage resets after revive, right?

[tulip parcel]

the damage goes back to its regular calculation after the revive's three seconds, yes

it treats you as being 30/100 for the sake of your boosts, but no doubled bonus for you

also this is horrendous with silva revive since silva lowers your HP

[placid perch]

So is the True Slimy Medal better with the x4 speed of the weapons speed and 75% of the weapons damage?

[ashen warren]

"x4 speed of the weapons speed" wtf that's broke

[tulip parcel]

dude you realize that...

okay

let's say without the TSM you deal 100 damage per second right

for the sake of argument

[lucid oracle]

@placid perch I don't think nerfing the damage is necessary, but sure. It sounds fine.

[tulip parcel]

now, it multiplies your weaponspeed by 4 and reduces damage by 25%

so now you're dealing 75 per swing... but you swing four times faster

so that triples your dps

[lucid oracle]

Reminder that's not how usetime works

[placid perch]

More usetime = slower

[tulip parcel]

oh

nevermind

[ashen warren]

Type it out differently

[tulip parcel]

yeha

it's not very clear how you've worded it

[shadow prism]

what are your guys’ thoughts on making fab npc more like dye trader, selling base drinks and a drink mixer and needing materials for more complex ones. She’d sell vodka, whiskey, tequila, rum, red wine, white wine and grape beer, with the rest being made from other things. Such as caribbean rum being made with rum and coral, shells and starfish, or tequila sunrise being made with tequila and daybloom. Margarita would be made with bottled water and other stuff due to there not being a good base drink but margarita is way too strong to be sold.

[ashen warren]

Always have + bonuses be good for the player unless it's boss

[tulip parcel]

so is Dying Roar alright how it is?

I should probably clarify the damage bypasses revcaps

[ashen warren]

It's whatever I guess

8/10

[tulip parcel]

I just want it to be flavorful and not shit

[tired haven]

Cool but too complex for one's compehension i feel like, electro

I'd def star it tho

[shadow prism]

I’d make the actual suggestion less wordy but yeah

[ashen warren]

A cocktail system sounds ballin'

[placid perch]

Fixed it, it now says use time

I like it

[radiant meadow]

[Player name] failed to no hit. would also work I think.

[shadow prism]

got hit sounds way better tbh

[radiant meadow]

or maybe got hurt? idk

[tired haven]

failed to dodge a hit :thenk:

[shadow prism]

player name did a bad

[radiant meadow]

[tulip parcel]

[Player Name] failed.

[tired haven]

Tbh just make 10 variations to make armageddon not as frustrating

[ashen warren]

Failed works real nice

Have a list?

Sounds neat

[radiant meadow]

At least they're all better than the current one.

[placid perch]

[Player Name] sucks at this game

[tulip parcel]

[Player] failed.
[Player] has abandoned their mortal coil.
[Player] was never heard from again.
[Player] lacks determination.
[Player] has been deemed unworthy.
[Player] was lightly breathed on.
[Player] was nothing more than a pittance.
[Player] has been removed from reality.
[Player] was erased from existence.

[ashen warren]

Those are all nice

need even more

[placid perch]

[Player Name] Needs to learn how to dodge

[shadow prism]

player name committed not alive

[tired haven]

[Player Name] was touched too violently

[shadow prism]

player name was hugged

[ashen warren]

SJD06 having the game insult you is annoying

Player name didn't circle hard enough

[shadow prism]

lmfao

[tulip parcel]

[Player] has moved to a farm where he'll be happier.

[radiant meadow]

I mean the shark food message is already kind of insulting.

[shadow prism]

player name pinged a moderator

[ashen warren]

Player name failed to run well enough

[placid perch]

[Player Name] pinged the owner

[ashen warren]

[Player name] pinged a mod

[tulip parcel]

[Player] stuck a fork in the electrical socket.
[Player] tried to @.Fabsol.

[shadow prism]

player name didn’t read the guide/didn’t check pins

[ashen warren]

Player name dared to interrupt bradley231

[shadow prism]

lmao

[radiant meadow]

its gbradley231

[tired haven]

Player name went flood in #suggestions-discussion

[tulip parcel]

okay okay

this is spam

let's stop

[shadow prism]

these are all good tbh

[tulip parcel]

just pick like

twenty of those electro

[ashen warren]

Player name drowned under the suggestion spam

[radiant meadow]

they started good at least

[shadow prism]

some of the meme ones are good

[radiant meadow]

then, they began to be directed toward discord

[shadow prism]

player name didn’t read the guide is going in my post

[placid perch]

[Player Name] atted everyone

[ashen warren]

Idk I feel like mine were pretty consistently viable

"[Player] didn't check pins" should be in the suggestion

[radiant meadow]

and pointing out a particular person is not a good idea regardless of how much they seem like a bot

[placid perch]

[Player Name] got to see his ancestors

[tulip parcel]

[Player] should try no-hitting King Slime instead.

[radiant meadow]

what if it is king slime

[tulip parcel]

[Player] should try no-hitting Pinky instead.

[placid perch]

Well then

[ashen warren]

It changes to "just give up"

Player name should give up lmao

[radiant meadow]

except that's kind of demoralizing

like more than the normal one

[tulip parcel]

how do you get hit by king slime

[ashen warren]

it's KS

[tulip parcel]

you have to TRY to get hit by him

[radiant meadow]

random zombie coming to kick your ass

[placid perch]

[Player Name] is now poor

[ashen warren]

Zombie > KS

[radiant meadow]

because you know
The blood moon is rising...

[tulip parcel]

(Upon dying to a non-boss mob): [Player] forgot to clear the runway.

[ashen warren]

Vorbis is coming up with bangers

Put it in a list and suggest because I want that

[tulip parcel]

up to 'lectro, aint my suggestion

[ashen warren]

Except for most of the jokes

well you came up with them

If they edit it then they need to credit you

[placid perch]

[Player Name] now is in a better place

[tulip parcel]

okay, uh

hhhuh

he didn't add any of mine in there

:T

alright I'll throw some sassy ones in later

[ashen warren]

Rip, yours were better

[tulip parcel]

for now though I'm just gonna pitch Dying Roar and fuck off

[sleek wigeon]

Not a fan of having most of the drinks being non buyable

[placid perch]

Well, he doesn't have to, but they are not as good

[sleek wigeon]

And i doubt fab is either

[ashen warren]

Perhaps it could be a way to construct abominations

[shadow prism]

didn’t mean to post that yet

[ashen warren]

2 fully made cocktails or something

[shadow prism]

it’s retarded that fab npc sells 2 variants of rum

like it’s just asking to be crafted

[sleek wigeon]

not really?

[shadow prism]

also half of them as broken as shit rn

[sleek wigeon]

They'd still be broken as craftables as dummy

just more inconvient to get

[shadow prism]

margarita invalidates the debuff immunity accessories and caribbean rum is more flight time than community and gives positive life regen

at least they’d take effort

they’re basically free rn

[ashen warren]

Effort is a silly reason

[shadow prism]

like you can just go and buy a few thousand of each pretty easily rn

you can’t craft that many easily

[sleek wigeon]

Just make it so you can only have a few drinks active at a time

otherwise you're movement is slippery

as well as the confusion buff bieng applied at random intervals

If you have too many drink buffs

[shadow prism]

confusion big gay

[ashen warren]

ouch confusion

[shadow prism]

fab himself said it’s a retarded debuff

[sleek wigeon]

Yes thats the point

[shadow prism]

honestly I think some of the drinks just need to progression locked

[sleek wigeon]

it would be a player choice to risk being confused

Easily avoided by not drinking so much booze

[tired haven]

Tbh just make complex negative life regen which grows depending on how many drinks at once consumed

[sleek wigeon]

I feel like my way is more flavorful

[tired haven]

First one does normal, second is 2x, 3rd - 4x and so on

Maybe with less exponential

[shadow prism]

just nerf the broken ones

[tired haven]

Either way you don't mix up beer and vodka and feel good simultaneously

[shadow prism]

or make their effects scale with progression

[sleek wigeon]

Exactly

Keep them indivually strong

[radiant meadow]

the fact that only one is locked behind progression is pretty broken

[sleek wigeon]

But together they equal bad

Like real booze

[ashen warren]

The more booze you drink the less benefits

[shadow prism]

like put margarita behind pbg so alchemical flask isn’t useless

[ashen warren]

The flight time would get less effective by having something else

[radiant meadow]

I mix beer, vodka, rum, moscow mule, cinnamon role, and feel good simultaneously

[shadow prism]

put caribbean behind levi and siren because community also gives flight time

[sleek wigeon]

I feel like these are dumb gating reasons. Alchemical flask is still useful because you dont have to fiddle the fuck around with inv stuff for alchemical flask to work

[shadow prism]

Margarita is buff and done

You don’t have to fuck around lmao

Just buy a few hundred and you’re set

[sleek wigeon]

Hush i havent studied the items

[radiant meadow]

margarita also renders abaddon useless

[shadow prism]

The drinks are broken to hell and need nerfs or progression locks

[radiant meadow]

it also gets rid of a big perk to astral arcanum

[sleek wigeon]

Just make them so that you get shitfaced for using so many at once

[shadow prism]

It’s literally silva armor debuff immunity for the cost of 6 defense (nothing) and 3 life regen (1 with caribbean for -18 defense)

[ashen warren]

The penalties get doubled for each drink?

[sleek wigeon]

Could be something

[ashen warren]

Each drink reduces the effectiveness of the previous ones?

[sleek wigeon]

Could be another something

[ashen warren]

I like those 2

Gating is stupid and linear

[tired haven]

Personally I think being burnt out by drinking too much is less unfun than confusion/slippery movement

[sleek wigeon]

Or certain debuffs applied to the player after a certain point, mainly affecting movement and aim

Probably

Thats likely correct but im stubborn D:<

[ashen warren]

Each booze makes your adrenaline take 5 more seconds to charge in rev?

[tired haven]

Stubborn persons

jk

[radiant meadow]

I don't know if booze is so op to nerf adrenaline.

[tired haven]

That would render most boozes useless

[radiant meadow]

and how would it work if it ran out and stuff like everclear?

[ashen warren]

I thought that up because of crab saying "burnt out"

Sounded like a "burn out" effect to me

Maybe it could then also buff rage

[tired haven]

I referenced the fact you get fire death message when you die from negative regen

[sleek wigeon]

Lets have a list of complex mechanics, a drink bar, and multiple accessories affecting it

Like stress but cool

[tired haven]

Drinking: the game

mmm

[ashen warren]

Sounds like a lot of work

i'm listening

[tulip parcel]

...oh my god

I just had an idea

[tired haven]

Yeah just double regen penalty for each additional booze so using more than 2-3 is death sentence

[sleek wigeon]

Someone type it up

And crabby can str it

[ashen warren]

I still prefer the concept of halving the effect of previous alcoholic drinks for each consecutive one

[sleek wigeon]

That sounds like hell to code

[ashen warren]

Cause people don't die from drinking a margarita and some rum

[tired haven]

Whole bottle of rum tho?

[sleek wigeon]

[ashen warren]

I know many people who drink far more than 1 bottle of rum in an hour

[tired haven]

Well I know a lot of regen accs

[radiant meadow]

well, the rum and caribbean rum does increase regen

[ashen warren]

they don't live good lives though

[tired haven]

oh yeah let's cut max hp for every booze drank

permanently btw

[sleek wigeon]

TBH

[tulip parcel]

uh

wait

I may have had the same idea crab got

lemme write out what I was thinking but

hang on

[placid perch]

Posted my thing

[tulip parcel]

Drinking Game
"Every time you... take a shot"
Non-Consumable Beverage
Fabsol's Vodka + Caribbean Rum @ Draedon's Forge

A purple-ish bottle with two shotglasses beside it. Normally undrinkable.

Upon dying to a boss, the item becomes usable. The item applies a permanent alcohol buff randomly. This buff persists even on death. The item is unusable until the player dies to a boss again, at which point they may drink a second time, applying a second random alcohol buff. However, with each alcohol buff, the player's max HP is reduced exponentially. 10, 20, 40, 80 and so on.

These buffs may only be cleared by A. Killing a boss or B. Drinking Fabsol's Vodka.

What do you think of this?

[tired haven]

Exponential hp reduce will end at like 8 shots, maybe plain -10?

[quasi fable]

Not my favourite 😢

[tulip parcel]

yeah

-10 is probably alright

these alcohol buffs already have debuffs attached to them

[lucid oracle]

@tulip parcel I have a question

What's the use case of the item

Why would anyone ever take a max HP hit to get a buff you can buy for cheap

[tulip parcel]

It’s a drinking game

[marsh gust]

i cant imagine getting permanent everclear

[tulip parcel]

Every time you die, take a shot

[lucid oracle]

Thanks for repeating the item description.

[tulip parcel]

It’s not meant to be like

A powerful buff item

It’s meant to be fun

I’m on phone so I’m going slow right now

[marsh gust]

you could get a permanent everclear effect 20% boost to damage n crits

[lucid oracle]

Well as an actual item it's completely useless.

@marsh gust I'm pretty sure you can get that anyway by drinking everclear whenever the buff runs out

Unless there's a cooldown i'm not aware of

[tulip parcel]

Well again

It’s not meant to be a useful item

[marsh gust]

you don't have to switch.

[tulip parcel]

It’s just meant to be fun

[lucid oracle]

Does the buff key not drink it

[tulip parcel]

It only drinks it if the item is drinkable

[marsh gust]

idk

think it does

[lucid oracle]

Then you don't need to switch anyway

[tulip parcel]

I dunno

In retrospect it’s probably not great

As an idea

[lucid oracle]

[tulip parcel]

Dude

I’m gonna ping an admin

You’re spamming

[lost agate]

Idc

He needs it

[heady comet]

[tulip parcel]

@frosty kindle

[heady comet]

You arent gonna do a good job if you try and get help this way

[lucid oracle]

Literally who

[tulip parcel]

Hey sorry to ping you but shucks is spamming

Like if you wanna help someone cool

But this ain’t how you do it

[frosty kindle]

shucks
i wouldn't want you to spam the same message in every public channel. We do understand the guy is going through tough times, but just try keep it in only one channel, like #general-talk . I'll let you off with a verbal this time, since it was just you tryna reach for more support, though in an incorrect way.

[lost agate]

...Im sorry, i freaked out a bit

[frosty kindle]

its okay, just try not to post a same message in every visible channel.

[alpine copper]

Whats thorium?

[worn bay]

Another big content mod

Not as much content as calamity but quite a lot, it stops right after moon lord tho

it adds two new classes but those don't work if you use other mods since they fall off after the mod's final boss