Sounds broken!
#suggestions-discussion
astral gust
^^
ashen warren
Explosions have dumb immunity frames
wicked swift
We should maybe just suggest the bars and let the devs get into the stuff 
wicked swift
AND you love suggestions, since I've never seen you say anything outside of #suggestions-voting or #suggestions-discussion
ashen warren
Because i don't like talking in anything else
And suggestions are important to create a better mod for everyone
communism
astral gust
isn't the calamity playerbase like mostly rev+ players?
i wouldn't see the god slayer revive thingy work too much with the community
ashen warren
Apparently there are a great deal of people who don't even play expert
ruby cobalt
The guy's been a brainlet for his entire time here, ignore it.
marsh gust
actually, theres a surprising amount that plays normal
ashen warren
That shockded me
astral gust
ashen warren
hehe i was first
astral gust
blasphemy
marsh gust
I'm on mobile :c
wicked swift
I play expert, because I'm very noob but I find normal not rewarding enough
ashen warren
One thing about rev is that it seems harder than it really is
astral gust
^
quasi fable
What does that name even come from
ashen warren
Especially since you get more stuff in rev
quasi fable
Supreme fishing bait thing
astral gust
aside from the bosses either being stupid or barely changed, gameplay is literally more rewarding in rev
ruby cobalt
I can summarize all difficulties as this:
why are you playing this
baby normal
normal
what the fuck
frail mantle
im just sorta afraid of the summoner penalty since i am a summoner
ashen warren
N.E.R.D
cyan lagoon
If im not wrong potion sickness is hardcoded
You cant get rid of the cooldown midway
ashen warren
Well damn
astral gust
drh what do you think about my shitty suggestion
ashen warren
Fucking vanilla code
frail mantle
astral gust
literally the only one there
quasi fable
Tmodloader is the cause of bad looping right
astral gust
claws are pretty dumbo for anything that isn't destroyeder or plant
ruby cobalt
I've brought those up so you think about it.
They offset their massive speed and damage by having piss-poor range.
astral gust
i get that much
ashen warren
Tbh can calamity just add multi lure fishing rods?
"molten gold fishing dual-hook"
Hotline hook + golden fishing hook + idk something
ruby cobalt
Just make a universal rod that can fish anywhere from like.
spark flax
honestly i play revengeance and deathmode only at this point, they're just more fun
also oof i barely ever post out of suggestion / suggestion discussion because the other chats move too fast for me and here there's always interesting idea discussion so like
ruby cobalt
Golden + Fiberglass + Hotline + Fleshcatcher/Fisher of Souls
ashen warren
Casts 4 hooks?
ashen warren
Honestly i'm pretty certain it would get over 50 stars
Can't you get the golden/hotline rod from levi/AS or something?
ruby cobalt
I'm also certain nobody will ever sprite it, so it's gonna die at that.
worthy fiber
Hotline rod's from Levi, I don't think any boss drops the golden on
ruby cobalt
You can get hotline rod from Levi, nothing drops golden rod though.
ashen warren
Damn.
make it craftable with 1 dirt block
Serious recipe: 5 gold bars + 1 forbidden fragment (more gold) + 10 souls of light (for extra shine) + blue string
ruby cobalt
Specifically blue string?
ashen warren
Yes
ruby cobalt
ashen warren
The yoyo thing
ruby cobalt
Sure, you can drop it in.
ashen warren
i'm a masochist
spark flax
good thing gold is obtainable on all worlds from planetoids now :3c
(and extractinator and fishing i guess)
ashen warren
Tbh HM ores populating the planetoids would be neat on WoF kill
ruby cobalt
oh no not more worldgen fuckery
ashen warren
There is that.
ruby cobalt
It already lags hard enough on a WoF kill.
Due to the whole V stripe bullshit and Astral falling in.
ashen warren
Perhaps make them un-minable until WoF kill like astrum
And have them spawn in on first worldgen
Forgot to send that
ruby cobalt
Yeah, I got that.
ashen warren
That suggestion is.. frankly terrible
ruby cobalt
Both of them are.
ashen warren
Yea tbh
worthy fiber
@frail mantle That's been suggested a buncha times 
ruby cobalt
You can guess that from seeing whether it's in the mod.
worthy fiber
quasi fable
Astral solution should be lilac solution š¤
quiet abyss
....Revives removing buffs/debuffs/potion sickness?
Yeeeee that's going to mess up balance in ways I don't even want to imagine 
ruby cobalt
First off you can't even remove potion sickness.
frail mantle
The only items that give PS immunity are OP items from other mods
quiet abyss
Ye, debuffs can't just be "cleansed" I don't think
ruby cobalt
Buff/debuff removing just bashes you with a hammer on your head.
No, debuffs can be "cleansed"
You give yourself immunity to it for 1 frame.
ruby cobalt
No.
It's simple as that - add immunity for 1 frame, remove it immediately.
Boom, debuff is gone.
quiet abyss
...Even so, it'll still mess up balance so much
Imagine getting godslayer revive and immediately using omega heal pot
ruby cobalt
I already said that you can't remove potion sickness.
It's hardcoded to be non-purgeable while it's active.
quiet abyss
Oof, sorry, my brain is a bit off today
ruby cobalt
Other debuffs are easy, yeah.
summer charm
Lemme just say I fricken love the Titanic idea, to be honest.
astral gust
we all do, honestly
lucid oracle
You know, wouldn't it be pretty great if Calamity turned into a total overhaul mod? Completely revamped worldgen with it's own world, with it's own custom biomes and re-does vanilla progression with it's own. A completely unrealistic idea, but a cool one.
heavy sundial
Hey, who's for the addition of mobs banners to this mod ?
opal barn
Already suggested many times Nok
ruby cobalt
A lot of people, but ain't happening until they're sprited.
heavy sundial
:c
ruby cobalt
It's the same for furniture.
If someone sprites it and possibly codes it - sure thing, it's getting in instantly.
lucid oracle
@ruby cobalt Just a question. How much more likely is it for an idea to get to the devs, if the person suggesting it is able to provide the sprites/code?
ruby cobalt
Much more likely, at least in "sprite" case.
See: Anaera
No guarantees that it will be accepted though.
quiet abyss
Unless the sprites/codes are not up to standards, ofc
Though even then, if you provide either of them it'll make it a bit easier to be implemented
lucid oracle
No idea who/what that is. I'm not sure what Calamity is coded in though, does tmodloader and Terraria mods also use C#?
astral gust
why not go even further with the dried seeker suggestion and give DS a chance to spawn once post skeletron
lucid oracle
That's good.
It really makes me think when a game coded in something sensible like C++ or C# gets LUA support
ruby cobalt
Well, the base is C#, but there's also XNA mixed in.
Which has been fucking dead for how long, 2 years now?
Actually nah, 5 years.
lucid oracle
Not something i've ever touched. I've dabbled in C#, that's about it.
Planning on getting into it more, though. Especially since i'm going to be studying comp sci in 2 months
I'll think about fucking about with Terraria. At least with Sprites, i'm friends with a couple of decent spriters š
heavy sundial
I'll take a look at some vanilla banners to see if I would be able to Sprite calamity banners...
It's only 8 pixel width for 24 pixel height so if I'm able to get the color palet of every mob I could do this in something like, 2 mont if I'm not lazy. Is someone able to code banners here ?
marsh gust
we need more worm enemies in desert 
lucid oracle
Post moon-lord miniboss š
heavy sundial
We need the crawler miniboss someone suggested
lucid oracle
A dune reference would be pretty š
spark flax
angery cnidrion
starts spawning after you kill DoG because he's pissed dog hijacked his theme to plug Universal Collapse
ruby cobalt
@lucid oracle
in this channel
lucid oracle
Ah, bit weird to have them separated.
Since that's the channel where it happens
I'll revise the suggestion
spark flax
yeah for ages "discuss suggestions in discussion first" was also NOT in any main chat suggestion pins as well, which probably didn't help people posting badly thought out suggestions there first
thank fuck that's fixed
mystic glade
Blaze Rocket
Idea: A post moon lord rocket crafted with 5 rocket 3's and Unholy Essence to create 5 at a hardmode forge.
Shot by any launcher and when it explodes leaves behind an AOE explosion that lasts 1-3 seconds
Why should it be implemented: Unholy Essence gets left behind shortly after providence and even then only for the arrows and bullets you make from them
Also there is no upgraded rockets( the bullets and arrows both are upgraded versions of other things)
This way there is an upgraded version of rockets too
mystic glade
yeah
radiant meadow
Or chicken cannon 
hollow shell
Unholy/Profaned Inferno/Blaze
cyan lagoon
@ebon mortar please elaborate
ebon mortar
Firerate and Damage
hollow shell
You gotta include that elaboration in your suggestion and say why it needs to be buffed
@ebon mortar
also oof @mystic glade
I meant somethin more along the lines of
using either of the left words with either of the right words
like "Profaned Blaze", "Unholy Inferno", etc
Sorry if that wasnt clear
Blaze Rocket sounds a tad too plain
quasi fable
Idea: buff/ slight rework of ravager 2nd fight, and REMOVING first fight with him
This makes him firmly a post prov boss
Same tier as polterghast, and perhapse sole source of bloodstone
Ideally killing it would let bloodstone ore spawn in the calamity biome (instead of direct drop) but thats maybe finnicky to code
Perhapse even a yharon type deal, where if you "kill" it pre providence it leaves, and then a harder phase 2 after prov
quasi fable
More post ml content
And ravager will feel less out of placd
Right now hes just kinda there, a kickass theme sure but thats it
hollow shell
Ok then
quasi fable
Its place in the progression is kinda already taken by pbg
radiant meadow
More like fishron tbh
Pbg is before both in progression
Fishron and ravager more of the same tier
hollow shell
I would say that post-Golem pre-Cultist is all one tier
But alright, moving Ravager sounds interesting
I wonder how many people will support it...
quasi fable
Yes but ravager all things considered doesnt really have anything to do there
He drops what, one weapon at that point?
The red blood upwards thing
Let me try to fit it all in one message
hollow shell
His accessories are interesting though
and Hematemesis is a good weapon
quasi fable
he only drops one or two of the accessories iirc
no nevermind, just not the key accessory to assebling core of the blood god
night cradle
Technically I think it would make sense.
He would now drop his Expert item directly and you wouldn't have to kill Providence first.
lucid oracle
Ravager drops good amounts of materials
neon panther
ruby cobalt
lost agate
Yeah, but where can you see the name of the full armor set other than wiki?
Its unnecesary and bad
radiant meadow
At least its getting buffed still kinda bad tbh
sturdy latch
sleek wigeon
bloodflare is already fixed isnt it?
ashen warren
sleek wigeon
Thats not.. minimodding
sturdy latch
What I mean is that I'd like to tweak the github for drh's boss guide a bit to make it updated
Oh ok
Thought it was
My bad
worn bay
I had an idea for a couple Summoner QoL accessories that could be added together or upgraded into a nice general Summoner buff
The first one would be called Mitosis, not sure how it would be obtained (possibly slime-related). It would make it so any summons you have summon more of themselves to fill out your minion slots. Reason being; it's really annoying as a summoner to have to keep summoning each individual summon, and in multiplayer, it means you're only at peak performance on your firs life, since you have to spend like 30 seconds summoning. This would then have an upgrade:
The next I'm unsure of in terms of it's name or acquisition, but it would increase the damage of your other weapons when attacking something your minions are not. This would hellp combat the hard nerf of summoners in rev+, and would increase crowd control potential for summoners during events where all your summons will be targetting one boss.
Then those two could just be put together with a Pygmy Necklace to give +1 minion, just because as a summoner accessory that's a nice thing to have.
Thoughts? Originally it included an accessory chain that would allow minions to crit and deal knockback, but i thought that would be too OP so i removed it.
sturdy latch
hollow shell
@sinful violet You said you were gonna deliver server suggestions to the moderator chat, right?
(If not then, direct me to who will)
Also yes yes yes, more summoner stuff is always good
sturdy latch
Especially since it's the most neglected class 
hollow shell
Thrower exists
sturdy latch
Wait, did calamity thrower make more use thrower
hollow shell
what
tired haven
what
alpine garnet
english pls
hollow shell
more people?
sturdy latch
Did it make more people use the throwing class if calamity improved it
sturdy latch
damn my implications suck
tired haven
Well uh rn thrower is just like summoner except viable because it's not summoner
also, like, there was no thrower in vanilla basically
alpine garnet
partially my misinterpreting tbh
hollow shell
Uhh yeah I assume so Mik
considering thrower had no content in Hardmode in vanilla Terraria
alpine garnet
was worded kinda weird though imo
ruby cobalt
Had no content beyond PHM*
hollow shell
it's better than nothing
ruby cobalt
That's an accurate representation of what it is in vanilla.
tired haven
Worse than summoner but ye
sturdy latch
Summoner is good actually
tired haven
Summoner at least has hm content to begin with
hollow shell
Thrower is lame-o
sturdy latch
Just don't hold a non-summoner weapon and YES dodge
hollow shell
Only good thing Thrower has going for it are the super fast fadey throwies
i.e. Mycoroot and Cosmic Kunai
tired haven
Though I fucking bet if one dares to butcher melee and grab all throwable weps out of it vanilla gets viable throwing class
worn bay
Imo, thrower shoud be based on consumables, in the same way that ranger is based on ammo
Given them the boomerang weaps just feels like a boneless version of melee
Whereas consumable thrower has an actual difference from the other classes
tired haven
Honestly if thrower was never meant to be expanded might as well leave it in ranger sub category instead of that appendix
worn bay
(melee focuss on high damage and close range or basic projectiles, ranger focuses on using ammo, mage on using mana, and summoner on using summons)
thrower should focus on consumable weapons, because as it stands it's just a different way of doing close range or basic projectiles
i'm not saying calamity should change that because it's kinda too latae now
but if i did a mod like this, that's how i'd handle it
tired haven
Throwing is medium range + ammo rn
ruby cobalt
You throw a knife. It's glued to your hand. You're sad. Knife's sad. Boss is sad. You decide to sell the knife.
tired haven
Though ammo mechanic is underused in calamity itself
worn bay
no one uses ammo throwing
ruby cobalt
excuse me pitchforks
sturdy latch
inb4 you sell all sorts of shit
tired haven
Any vanilla throwing is ammo throwing tbf
worn bay
if thrower used only ammo throwing, it would be different from range since it would just be using the ammo and not another weapon to use the ammo through, creating a new strategy
intead of just being funky melee
again, not sayin calamity should change, too late for that
but that's just my 2 cents
tired haven
Well if it uses ammo won't it be funky ranger then?
worn bay
No, since ranger has guns to use the ammo through and thrower doesn't
That creates a difference
hardmode melee and thrower are vritually the same
since hardmode melee has rpojectiles
tired haven
That's again calamity representation of throwing
Not vanilla one
radiant meadow
I'm pretty sure throwing will never be expanded in Vanilla
worn bay
^
tired haven
Though I should agree it does look more alike melee than ranger
sturdy latch
i have the urge to minimod but I morally must commitn't
ruby cobalt
Mingimos banged.
shadow prism
Expand the Plague into a spreading biome, kinda like astral infection. This would be a huge undertaking but it would add an actual purpose to the plague besides āoh cool canisters are a thing now also pbgā
sturdy latch
Not half bad
worn bay
Maybe instead of a spreading biome, it's just a one-time-spawn minibiome in the underground jungle?
sturdy latch
Sure
worn bay
that way we don't have 4 infections to deal with
sturdy latch
Better lol
sturdy latch
good logic
shadow prism
it would still count as jungle so you donāt have to worry about jungle protection
worn bay
If it could spread through hallow and corrupiton, that could acutlaly wrook as a way to get your jungle back if either of those wreck it
shadow prism
yeah
worn bay
Rip
worn bay
Hey, hallow converts mud to dirt
Have the Devil's Devastation used in the Ark of the Cosmos?
It has a similar attack pattern, and the AotC is an Exo-tier weapon but it only has 2 components
ruby cobalt
Hallow doesn't touch jungle.
sleek wigeon
Corruption cant touch mushroom biome
worn bay
It's not
It's used in the Gladiator's Soul in fargo's, maybe that's what you're thinking of?
shadow prism
devils devastation isnāt a material in calamity
radiant meadow
Oh yeah
shadow prism
photo is fine rn
ruby cobalt
Well, Photo uses 2, but one of them is a combination of 4.
shadow prism
celestus is easier to get than the others iirc
ruby cobalt
Besides, there aren't any other flamethrowers that aren't covered by it now 
Excluding the original one.
worn bay
that's used in terra
tired haven
Meowthrower and shadethrower
tired haven
ruby cobalt
Well, overloaded blaster is less of a flamethrower and more of a gel-shotgun.
ruby cobalt
Flameblaster fits more under grenade launchers.
shadow prism
photo is just āanother stream of fireā
for an exo weapon it should at least do something cool
ruby cobalt
Too bad everything is immune to it
tired haven
But it's cool and you can't deny it
If seriously maybe some kind of heatup mechanic? The more you damage target the more it "melts"
shadow prism
are BR bosses all immune to it
because I remember birb not being immune and a few others
tired haven
If they weren't they would frick out, no?
worn bay
!wiki exo freeze
red stormBOT
worn bay
there's a list there
tired haven
Wait photo already applies it lmao
worn bay
some of the choices are weird since by the tiem you're exo-tier you'll just melt those enemies anyway
i.e. aquatic scourge, mauler, siren
shadow prism
is adult wyrm immune
worn bay
Yeet
shadow prism
tbh it shouldnāt be
tired haven
I feel like there are just all hm-postML calamity (mini)bosses listed
shadow prism
yeah basically
tired haven
Also weird that vanilla bosses are all not immune then 
Except destroyer because this fucker is immune to all
plain yoke
I'm a bit new to calamity, but there is a accesory that adds vampirism? Just like vampire knives, but it's a accessory. And it has to be balanced, so it should be something like %0.1 vamp.
lost agate
@sturdy latch ever read changelogs?
hollow shell
Mana Overloader, kinda does that Yzakhar
plain yoke
Yeah, but it's only for mages. What I mean is for every class though
tired haven
Also for future reference all lifesteal effects are now capped with timeouts so any amount will be basically balanced
plain yoke
Oh ok, that's sounds cool in balancing terms
sturdy latch
Why yes i do
lucid oracle
I feel as if Summoner is a bit... lacking. Equipping a non-summon weapon putting their damage right into the garbage is really hard on them, but at the same time, Summoner just doesn't seem like a good class on it's own. Not in the sense that it performs poorly, but that it lacks a lot of the interaction other classes have.
With other classes, you're aiming at things, you're shooting, it's fun. But with summons, it's fire and forget. You don't interact with the class beyond the initial summoning. And while summon + hybrid can be a lot of fun, the extreme penalties make it completely non-viable.
Personally, though, I think the core of the issue is the entire design of summoner. It's not designed to be an interactive class, you don't use your summons like a weapon. They just exist and now they do damage, no input required from the player, but if you wish to do something that requires input, you can no longer use these summons.
sinful violet
Yikes, sorry @hollow shell . I havenāt been able to keep track of those.
Iāll get on that once Iām out of school
hollow shell
Aight
worn bay
The interaction of summoner comes from the fact that you don't have to attack and thusly can focus entirely on dodging.
It turns boss fights into endurance matches instead of DPS brawls.
radiant meadow
Especially prov and polter
shadow prism
it was because certain summons are broken as shit if you use them as supports without the nerf
worn bay
^
shadow prism
like lamps and banshee hook or whatever
radiant meadow
Your dps is trash but you can focus on dodging
shadow prism
calling immat trash
angery
radiant meadow
Yharon nuggets and immaterializer are also to blame
gusty geode
The Meme Suggestion
"Whatever this is, it should not be allowed to exist."
Crafted w/ Halibut Cannon, 1 SYNTAX ERROR, Staff of the Mechworm, and Copper Shortsword at Dirt Block
Does melee damage, instakills enemies in melee range, shoots tiny LORDEs that do massive damage and inflict NO U
Posted this here to get it off my chest, would probably be banned on the spot if I put it in #suggestions-voting
Thoughts?
radiant meadow
Immaterializer on prov and polter?
radiant meadow
At dirt?
hollow shell
Somebody @ Terry
lucid oracle
@worn bay That's not an interaction. You can do this with any other class.
ruby cobalt
@ Terry
lucid oracle
Summoning and dodging is no harder than using a gun and dodging. Melee is definitely harder depending on the weapon, given where they tend to be.
shadow prism
you have to something other than touch movement keys
lucid oracle
And these are two things you can do independently, doing one doesn't impact the other.
worn bay
What are you talking about? I absolutely take way more damage while focusing on an enemy than i do when trying to dodge
lucid oracle
At best I'll concede it's a skill/practice issue.
But that wasn't the point, this entire line of discussion has been a tangent.
ashen warren
Saying that summoner has no interaction is false
lucid oracle
Sorry you need to click to summon your summons
ashen warren
It may not be good interaction but it has interaction
lucid oracle
That's a bit pedantic, but yes, I agree.
radiant meadow
resummon tactics are a thing in earlier stages as well
ashen warren
The entire appeal (afaik) is that it's good for turning terraria into touhou
radiant meadow
sentry spam can also help
lucid oracle
Touhou still requires proper positioning and shooting at the boss, though
Unless you're aiming to timeout
lucid oracle
EoSD for me, but this is offtopic
ashen warren
Yer
shadow prism
A sword in the same vein as apoth and dratal made from exoblade, briny baron, dragon rage, holy collider, 3 banshee hooks, 2 ghoulish gougers, 2 ethereal subjugators, 6 afflictions, 66 nightmare fuel, 66 endothermic energy, 66 ruinous souls and 66 bloodstone cores.
Itās a polter-themed sword whose left click is a regular true melee swing with massive range, each hit summons a group of homing phantoms. Every consecutive hit with the left click buffs the phantoms a little until the cap out. Right click rapidly fires a barrage of skulls that explode on enemy contact and leave behind damaging soul dust.
This style of weapon might be reserved for devs so idk.
quasi fable
ashen warren
I believe (terry is it?) is the only one who can make those
lucid oracle
But, my main point was that the class lacks one thing every other class already has. A way to use the class and have a fun form of interaction with the summons, rather than fire and forget gameplay.
lucid oracle
With say, ranger, you have a choice between using the homing bullets (Although I will argue that even homing bullets are more interactive and fun than summoner), or most of the other bullet types.
radiant meadow
apoth was a spears hardcore doggo speedrun reward iirc and drat is ut reward
lucid oracle
I'm not advocating the removal of the current summoner gameplay, just that the class has a very specific playstyle that conflicts with what people play other classes for.
ashen warren
While throwing and then melee are my 2 favourite classes
ashen warren
Summon would be an easy third if it weren't for the ai
Summon ais are aaaaaasssssssssssss
lucid oracle
There's a good appeal with the class, it's fun. I like summoners in games, they're usually great. But here, you don't play summoner. You turn on the damage, and then you wait for the boss to die + doing what you do with other classes (not dying)
You don't get to interact with the class itself.
ashen warren
How would you change summoner without just giving them mage weapons that deal summon damage?
radiant meadow
the closest you can get to spamming a weapon with summons is marked magnum spam
lucid oracle
I'm not sure. That's definitely something that needs to be thought about and discussed. But that also needs to come after recognizing and discussing the class as it currently is.
radiant meadow
or sentry spam
ashen warren
Well we're discussing it now
radiant meadow
lunic eye and golden gun i frames bad
lucid oracle
true
I haven't slept for 3 days and i'm trying to avoid any intensive thinking 
, I'll probably be able to draft up some ideas and present them at a later date
But right now unlikely.
lucid marsh
Dude
Sleep
lucid oracle
I will be soon
worn bay
My only idea would be something like a sword that floats by you, and attacks on its own, but only in melee range
lucid oracle
It's 8AM and the temp for today is probably going to get near 40C
ashen warren
3 days is unhealthy af
lucid oracle
and i'd rather sleep through it
lucid marsh
A week can literally kill you
lucid oracle
Thanks for being concerned about my health, but I know what I'm doing.
ashen warren
About summoner interactivity
A fair few mods add a sort of "banner" or something similar that improves minion damage and allows you to select targets
People have also suggested minion teleporters that teleport all minions to cursor
lucid oracle
yeah, those are okay.
radiant meadow
Could be like a temporary summon type weapon
ashen warren
Kinda like the stardust armor I spose
radiant meadow
like Thorium's snowman bomber thingies
lucid oracle
I think a good solution would be to split summoner weapons up into three specific sub-categories. Hybrid, where the minions are designed to be used with other classes and don't suffer the insane penalties, but are less powerful as a result. The current where they're powerful in their own right but incur heavy penalties when attempting to use other weapons. And pure summoner that has large amounts of player interaction like other classes.
Hybrid would be easy, it's barely any different from what we've got currently. What we've got currently... well, we already have it. It's the last one that'll be tricky as mentioned before.
It gives players a variety in play style while still being able to use the class.
radiant meadow
Pure summoner in itself is split into many categories
lucid oracle
While not necessarily wrong, I will disagree on the fact that the overall gameplay tends to be similar between them.
radiant meadow
As of now, there's resummon spam and sentry spam
Other possibilities are banner-type stuff, minion teleporting, and temporary summons
and minion targeting I guess
but these tend to get irrelevant in the later game
ashen warren
The problem with sentries is that they are really non-viable post-prov
lucid oracle
Sentry summons are no different from normal summons, in terms of use. You summon it. It attacks.
ashen warren
It restricts your movement too much
radiant meadow
yeah, having more sentries would help
well, some are different
like ballista sentries
lucid oracle
That's the DD2 crossover right?
lucid oracle
I'll be honest I don't think of summon spam as a legitimate tactic
radiant meadow
doesn't work on hydra, ml summons, or energy staff though
gusty geode
What I don't get is why we need to be pure summoner at all
Vanilla encourages multi-classing, but Calamity punishes you for it
lucid oracle
You're bypassing cooldowns that are built into it
radiant meadow
š¤· people do it all the time
lucid oracle
That's why I proposed to design a specific subset of summons specifically for that.
Ones that can be balanced specifically for that use-case
ruby cobalt
Vanilla encourages multiclassing, and then shoves up approximately 10 armor sets into a timeframe of 2.5 bosses.
Think about it.
ashen warren
tbh vanilla doesn't know what it's doing sometimes
lucid oracle
I can't comment much on vanilla, it's been a very long time since i've played it
Plus Calamity is just more fun
gusty geode
I read a guide on how to play each class, and it said that no matter what class you play you should always have a melee weapon and a minion on call, just in case
Calamity doesn't even allow that
lucid oracle
What do you mean it doesn't allow that? Nothing prevents such a thing.
Although it's definitely not needed.
worn bay
Yea
ashen warren
Calamity doesn't allow that only in that calamity gives absurd mana regen and really easy to get ammo
radiant meadow
not to mention melee weapons will be weak w/o having armor and accessories for it
alpine garnet
multiclassing is already great
lucid oracle
Well a weak weapon is better than no weapon i guess
But proper preparation guarantees you won't ever have this issue
alpine garnet
it's "free" extra dps anyway
especially later on when demonshade gives you a free cosmic
radiant meadow
is a free cosmic better than a long mechworm with the nerf to immaterializer?
worn bay
what was the immat nerf again?
radiant meadow
or 2 free yharons (and 2 calamaris)
alpine garnet
tbh I should test that
gusty geode
Sometimes an enemy gets too close to get away from, even when RoDing
To compensate for the inevitable damage, it'd be smart to use a melee to get your own damage in when ranged weapons won't make a difference
radiant meadow
it does less dmg when holding non summon weps on top of the rev+ summoner nerf
free ichor I guess
alpine garnet
cosmic gives you bonus of less damage from projectiles (more reason multiclass is good)
multiclass is already good is my main point tho
lucid oracle
@ashen warren Anyway, at some point in the future I'll come back here with some ideas on pure summoner weapons that require interaction with the class, as opposed to current gameplay. But I do think summons designed specifically with hybrid in mind would be a good idea
alpine garnet
since you can use the best weapon for every boss
and most bosses have at least one weapon that works really well on them
since not everything is perfectly balanced
lucid oracle
Although, to prevent hybrid summoner becoming just free extra DPS, it would have some sort of equipment gate to actually start using it. Either in the form of armor or accessories
ashen warren
And I agree it's just that you were talking concepts instead of ideas
lucid oracle
Nothing wrong with talking about concepts
ashen warren
"Sometimes an enemy gets too close to get away from, even when RoDing" what game are you playing?
RoD is easy dodge mode
lucid oracle
But... you can use ranged weapons at melee range
Why would you switch from ranged (your main DPS in this scenario) to melee, just because they are close?
radiant meadow
you wouldn't?
lucid oracle
Well yes this is the point i'm trying to make
ashen warren
Exactly
gusty geode
A lot of melee weapons could net higher dps while you try to escape
Like that one Cosmolite spear that ignores i-frames
Cosmic Discharge, was it?
radiant meadow
no
lucid oracle
I want you to explain your reasoning.
radiant meadow
stream gouge
lucid oracle
How do you maximize your DPS with a weapon you haven't built for?
What in this scenario affects your DPS?
radiant meadow
but even then, sticking to the phangasm is probably a better idea
ashen warren
As I said before: Calamity only "stops" use of such things by making your main dps more reliable
Not by nerfing but by buffing
And some ranged weapons are stronger from melee range anyway
There's less than 0 of a point
lucid oracle
Not really important here
ashen warren
The point being: Stronger ranged weapon which is.. you know.. ranged or weaker melee weapon that doesn't activate elemental quiver or other such things?
I know which I'd pick
lucid oracle
@gusty geode Since I'm not getting an answer,
I'll just go ahead and say what I was going to say after you responded
gusty geode
Sry, but busy
ashen warren
sure
lucid oracle
You're not going to be in a situation where you will get higher DPS out of a weapon you haven't built for. If you're a ranger in melee range, your ranged weapon is still going to be just as powerful as it was when you were further away, probably. I think there's a few exceptions to this, but those aren't the general rule.
And if that weapon did do higher DPS
Then my question is, why aren't you using it anyway
(also it's probably an OP weapon if it does more damage than a weapon you built for. See halibut)
gusty geode
The reason I'd use a melee is because, while maybe the dps would be a downgrade, you may still get bonus effects from weapons that aren't your class that you wouldn't otherwise
A bit distracted so I can't think of any offhand, but still
Ok, thinking about it a bit more, I can't see using a melee in a non-melee playthrough, but aren't there non-melee weapons that are part of the melee meta?
Golden Shower and its upgrade who's name I can't remember, as an example?
lucid oracle
But why do you want those bonus affects?
You built for your non-melee class, your bonuses are geared towards that class.
Once you switch to melee, you lose every single bonus you have.
plush remnant
I think my FTL Hook is my best recieved suggestion so far.
Nice.
hollow shell
@lunar berry Put a hyphen between the first "All" and "class", and probably have it say "should remove" instead of just "remove"
I thought you meant the opposite of what you actually meant 
lunar berry
Done
lucid oracle
@plush remnant I mean, it's a good niche for a hook. I'd like to see it, as long as it had normal hook functionallity when it's special is on CD
Or had long range to offset the fact it's now useless for a bit
ashen warren
It does
hollow shell
ack
lunar berry
I just edited it 3 times
gusty geode
I was actually going to comment on Flasks existing
hollow shell
Aight lol it's good now
ashen warren
"Hooking to a tile with this hook equipped applies the Destabilized debuff for a short time, with the tooltip "Your body feels slightly phased out of reality", which causes the FTL Hook to function as a normal hook until the debuff wears off."
lucid oracle
It got edited I think š
ashen warren
Yea like yesterday
gusty geode
This is actually proving my original point
There is no reason to play multi-class because focusing on a single class is so much better, and I believe it should be a viable option to be able to play no class in particular
lucid oracle
No one argued otherwise.
lucid oracle
Although melee does have a lot of crossover with ranged classes already.
ashen warren
Very much so
lucid oracle
Given that 80% of the swords have some form of long ranged or magic-looking attack
ashen warren
Melee is just ranged with no ammo and higher def
lucid oracle
It's just counted as melee damage
ashen warren
and i still like it
gusty geode
I got a bit lost, sry
And I was mostly referring to how on Rev+ you can't use summons on other classes
Also yes, melee is basically ranged and true melee weapons tend to be a lot worse
plush remnant
Yeah, I try to edit suggestions as people here critique them.
lucid oracle
True melee does need work
My opinions on summoner are already known
Mage and ranger are well designed classes, although some of the weapons are a bit š
ashen warren
Summoner shouldn't be hybrid tbh
plush remnant
So if you want to star my hook and didn't like the old version, do it now.
ashen warren
It's a neat concept but if you were able to "command" your minions or something then that would be a lot more interesting
lucid oracle
I don't see why you should limit it. There's no reason it shouldn't be hybrid. Just as there's no reason there should. Players shouldn't be forced into either or, why not give them the option to play as they please?
As long as their playstyle doesn't break progression or intended balance
lucid oracle
I don't see how this is relevant
ashen warren
Only 1 class
lucid oracle
ashen warren
I pick a class before I even make a character then bin all other items I aquire
lucid oracle
I do things that are fun
if it looks cool and it's fun to use ( and doesn't suck dick )
it meets all criteria
lunar berry
I normally just go with th flow on classes in prehm
lucid oracle
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
ashen warren
and astral
lunar berry
The only things i didnt do throwing was Scourge (ranged) and WoF (magic)
ruby cobalt
@keen onyx it's hardcoded, sorry.
keen onyx
Ack. okay.
ruby cobalt
Or at least that was what I heard.
lunar berry
Then how did begone evil work
lucid oracle
That's a weird thing to have hardcoded
ashen warren
Reduce it down to like.. one block every 20 ingame days or something?
keen onyx
Well if at all possible, I suppose
lunar berry
plush remnant
Should I make something based on Prov/the Profaned Guardians next? I've been floating a few ideas in my head lately.
ruby cobalt
Well ye, reductions are hardcoded for sure.
ashen warren
"That's a weird thing to have hardcoded" vanilla is stupid
keen onyx
I think it should be reduced to the point where it's nearly undetectable then at least
ashen warren
Wrong chat? @pliant bone
pliant bone
hollow shell
I mean, it's not impossible to overwrite something hard-coded
It just sucks
lunar berry
Canāt you just slow it down or
ruby cobalt
You have to go through a painful journey of rewriting all of it.
ashen warren
@plush remnant I personally feel providence is fine with the items and whatever they have but you don't need to ask permission
lunar berry
Oh
ashen warren
Calamity should just be a full new and independant game
Unfortunately all this work would then go down the drain
lunar berry
Canāt use just use the same programming language
lucid oracle
@hollow shell I have to ask though, how exactly is it hard coded? I can't imagine (Or at least I wish I couldn't) that it would affect any modded blocks with their own custom interactions
lunar berry
And copy paste some of it
ashen warren
@lunar berry lolwut
gusty geode
How many multi-class armor sets are there, anyway
lunar berry
If you use the same programming language as terraria
ashen warren
"copy paste" thanks for the laugh
lucid oracle
That was a horrible sentence and I feel bad for writing it
lunar berry
Add some extra code for the mechanics
hollow shell
Admittedly I'm not sure, I haven't looked into it
(even if I did, I wouldn't know what I was looking at or for)
lunar berry
Yeah well coding a game isnt exactly easy
lucid oracle
I'm not well versed in tModLoader and how accessible it makes the game, but for the most part things can be, er... hard to interact with.
gusty geode
Ones I can name are Crimtane and maybe the Hardmode ore sets
Ataxia might also be it but I saw a lot of suggestions to change that
lucid oracle
In an ideal world it would be a very easy thing to change
ashen warren
Hm ores are the first multi helmet armors
plush remnant
TBH, I feel like Prov needs a bit more love. There isn't a lot of Providence based content, imo.
lunar berry
Just steal terraria code and change it so it doesnt look like you copied
lucid oracle
that's not how it works at all
lunar berry
ashen warren
"Just steal terraria code and change it so it doesnt look like you copied"
lunar berry
It was a joke
lucid oracle
You should consider a different career
ashen warren
fuckin dmca'd
plush remnant
There's a decent amount of Profaned based stuff, but Providence doesn't have that much.
gusty geode
I might post some of the ideas I don't currently have for all-class gear soon
lunar berry
Is tehre profaned furniture
hollow shell
I don't think that's how it works, Sequence/``/canttellifimdummy
Plenty of mods including Calamity use Terraria code because they're freaking mods for Terraria
lunar berry
Also
ashen warren
If you copied the code and made a new game that's separate you would get legal issues
lunar berry
Why do the guardians have icons in boss rush
plush remnant
Yeah, there's Profaned furniture.
ashen warren
Especially since calamity makes money
hollow shell
They do have icons in normal.
lucid oracle
Plus stealing code can be pretty... hard to justify that it's stolen? I'm not sure how to word it
plush remnant
And Cosmilite furniture as well
lucid oracle
But for a lot of things, that's just the way you do things
ashen warren
Stealing code is "scummy"
lunar berry
Really lol
plush remnant
Auric furniture when
hollow shell
Also @plush remnant ???
lunar berry
@ashen warren hence āmake it so it doesnt look like you copiedā
hollow shell
What version are you playing!?
lucid oracle
Well if it doesn't look like you copied it, then you didn't copy it
ashen warren
That's like tracing art wtf is wrong with you
plush remnant
The one from right before the Astral Update.
I need to do another playthrough with the new update, as per my usual tradition.
I want to bask in the glory of the Astral Aureus.
hollow shell
Lol the updated map icon has been in for months
lunar berry
Lol just say that terraria code āinspiredā me to make similar code lol
lucid oracle
Stealing code is just a whacky subject
lucid oracle
Especially since things can look very similar in different examples
plush remnant
Lol, don't mind my stupidity
ashen warren
If you take someone's creative work and pass it as your own and make money off it
You. Are. Scum.
ashen warren
At that point there is literally no reason
lunar berry
Well you cant fucking copy directly and say āo yea its mineā
lucid oracle
@ashen warren Pretty sure you're both talking about two entirely different things
ashen warren
You would need to redo all the code anyway
lucid oracle
and at least one of you has no idea what you're talking about
(also this is off topic at this point?)
lunar berry
I have taken inspiration from other pieces of code
plush remnant
I just had an idea for Profaned Armor.
It could be an all class or summoner specific sidegrade to Tarragon. It's set bonus would be to summon 3 mini Profaned Guardians.
lunar berry
But not copied
plush remnant
Should I flesh this idea out, or is it bad?
lucid oracle
Any idea is bad if you don't flesh it out.
plush remnant
Correction.
Would you guys want to see an armor set like this?
ashen warren
Nice meme @graceful urchin
graceful urchin
yes
lucid oracle
Much better question. I would, yes.
lunar berry
Why
lucid oracle
Although there's some pretty big revamps I'd like to see to summoner
dull kite
@graceful urchin put your suggestion in 1 message
graceful urchin
ok
lunar berry
You guys are just bullying stormbow now
graceful urchin
^
lucid oracle
It has an absurdly strong synergy with a certain kind of arrow that sort of overshadows every other kind
sleek wigeon
Dont nerf stormbow by making it boring as shit
plush remnant
Alright, time for me to vanish for a while and put Prov's theme on repeat so I can focus on making this dank armor set. Maybe I'll throw in a Profaned weapon as well.
lucid oracle
@lunar berry You can click the 3 dots to the right of your message to edit it
lunar berry
Me?
lucid oracle
I did mention you, yes
ashen warren
It takes like 3 seconds come on
lucid oracle
Okay but this is a chat room and other people would appreciate it if you didn't do things you didn't have to do.
ashen warren
And takes the same amount of time
hollow shell
Can agree that sending another message is faster and potentially less errorful than editing
on mobile
ashen warren
cluttering chat yuck
hollow shell
We're all cluttering chat at this very moment
lunar berry
Iām using a keyboard
Like a Bluetooth keyboard
I wish if you pressed up on a Bluetooth keyboard you could edit ur message
wise pollen
Uh oh was there drama here
lucid oracle
No
wise pollen
Seems like it
lucid oracle
Well you'd be wrong
lunar berry
We were arguing on if editing a message was good
lucid oracle
@ashen warren Weren't we talking about some suggestion just before?
ashen warren
The biome spread thing
lucid oracle
Oh, right. Yeah. Something about technical limitations but dev guy doesn't know about it and I don't know enough about tModLoader to give a good answer.
radiant meadow
nerf daedalus more than it already is
ashen warren
`` did ask how does begone evil work but they didn't get an answer
lucid oracle
Hot idea
plush remnant
Just double checking, I shouldn't be providing precise stats for the armor, correct?
lucid oracle
Give it more arrows if you use anything other than jester
ashen warren
No precise stats but you can do set bonus'
plush remnant
Alrighty, thanks. 
lucid oracle
@plush remnant From what I understand, precise is a no-go but general position or a range of stats to give a general idea of where it'll be in progression is fine
plush remnant
š
quasi fable
Hmm i had another weird idea
What if cosmilite ore was a tging in the new fsncy astral biome
ashen warren
Astrum =/= DoG
I think DoG actually fucked up astrums day or something in the lore
Probably wrong though
lucid oracle
You know
Isn't it weird that something called the Devourer of Gods isn't the supreme end game boss?
Like that dude devours gods he doesn't mess around
But some eyeball is stronger
lunar berry
DoG ate astrum
ashen warren
And moreover, one of the bosses after it is in fact, a god.
lucid oracle
(a very cool eyeball)
ashen warren
And a chicken nugget is?
quasi fable
Who would win?
A literal devourer of gods
A chicken
graceful urchin
a jungle dragon
wind flicker
a metal eye with evil death powers
ashen warren
He's a chicken nugget
lunar berry
Some weird eye
quasi fable
What if dog ate the xeroc guy
graceful urchin
yea buff DoG again imo its still too kinda easy
ashen warren
..Why?
lucid oracle
queue the opening to Calamity 2
now in... space? The realm where gods get devoured?
ashen warren
DoG can only be damaged by copper shortsword
DoG finally hard
please don't do that
graceful urchin
devourer of dads
lucid oracle
Not where I was going with that but i'll allow it
ashen warren
The Devourer of the devourer of gods
perfection
You transform into a giant cosmilite bird
graceful urchin
bumblebird is honestly the hardest boss in the game
lunar berry
Yeah
graceful urchin
or birb
lunar berry
It is isnt it
graceful urchin
we ned to discuss to buff him even more
lost agate
NO
graceful urchin
make devourer of thots spawn in expert too
ashen warren
I'm dead serious
hasty wigeon
Devourers of Gods?
lost agate
graceful urchin
or make DoG a random spawn anytime night or day comes
lunar berry
Make a mod that instantly kills you when youāre alive
graceful urchin
when u defeat providence or all the sentinels
wtf
my message double
so dog will kill you for being bad and not defeating him yet
lost agate
Laser walls now are rather random, thats enough of a buff for me
lunar berry
1/100000 chance every frame for it to spawn
hasty wigeon
Laser Walls are most dangerous part
lunar berry
After you kill sentinels
graceful urchin
make laser walls hit u if u use rod of discord
hasty wigeon
Why
lost agate
Why?
hasty wigeon
..?
lunar berry
shotgun THOTGUN
graceful urchin
just dodge l m a o
ashen warren
That's just stupid
lost agate
ashen warren
2 DoGs would be enough
graceful urchin
i play bullet hell games all the time
lunar berry
@graceful urchin you try dodging DoG laser walls in death mode without RoD
Consistently
lost agate
You know what, lets slap the player for using something they should be able to
lunar berry
Remember god slayer inferno RoD
graceful urchin
rod of discord should be rendered useless during scal since hit cap got removed
ez
lost agate
...no
graceful urchin
try and no hit that
ashen warren
Making non-consumable versions of consumable weapons means they can receive unreal and whatnot
lunar berry
UNREAL XEROC PITCHFORK
ashen warren
It got nerfed tho
lost agate
And no, thrower is not op all around
lunar berry
Still probably pretty op
ashen warren
Throwing is op af post-ml
graceful urchin
thrower is just underrated
summer charm
There could be other ways to do that too. Like have a "Beacon" item to distribute modifiers that it has on it to throwing weapons in your inventory.
lost agate
But before?
ashen warren
Before it suffers
lost agate
Thats what i mean
ashen warren
Except for when lionfish is viable
strange onyx
With The Item Permafrost's Concoction The Ice Barrier should be for 3 seconds but only bring you to 20%
lunar berry
make beacons in terrria that give you buffs
summer charm
š
graceful urchin
crystalline is a pretty good early game throwing item
lunar berry
While in the ice barrier literally makes you unabl to do anything
summer charm
Just, I mean an item that can be reforged and then basically that modifier will apply to all throwing weapons in your inventory.
lucid marsh
Does anyone know how I could improve my suggestion?
ashen warren
Nades are the real strong weps @graceful urchin
plush remnant
Profaned Helm
Visions of the Profaned Flame are seared into your mind.
Profaned Breastplate
The heat of the Profaned Flame fills your chest.
Profaned Leggings
The Profaned Flame sets your footsteps ablaze.
Crafted with Unholy Essence and Divine Geodes.
Provides a damage and crit bonus to all classes and a movement speed bonus.
Set Bonus: "The Guardians of the Profaned Flame come to your aid.
Summons miniature versions of each of the Profaned Guardians.
The defense Guardian orbits around you, dealing moderate contact damage to enemies that get too close and dealing decent knockback.
The attack Guardian dashes at enemies and fires Profaned Flame projectiles.
The healing Guardian grants you increased life regen.
: Because post ML, there really aren't any all-class armor sets aside from Xeroc, which gets shelved in favor of Tarragon almost immediately, in my experience. Having another all class set allows for more flexibility and for people to change their loadouts on the fly more easily.
Alright, how should I adjust this first draft?
summer charm
Feels like it would change too much relating to the code. @lucid marsh
lunar berry
ahem tarragon exists
ashen warren
I honestly don't see the point
@lunar berry u know consumable throwing weapons cant get any modifiers, this accessory will not change the max stack of these weapons or something, the throwing weapons will still stack but it will not consume on use
Use less ammo?
lucid marsh
I donāt know how practical to code it is but it would be cool
ashen warren
No
lunar berry
The unreal throwing pitchforks
ashen warren
xbxbxb
summer charm
You know where I would go for a classless armor, is the Nightmare Fuel and Endothermic Energy. Neither have uses unique to their items.
ashen warren
@strange onyx And why should it be changed?
plush remnant
Yeah, I intended this armor to be an all class sidegrade/alternative to Tarragon
summer charm
Any thoughts on the Downdraft?
lunar berry
Nightmare fuel, endothermic energy are used for both silva and godslayer
But i kinda dont get silva
summer charm
I mean unique uses.
ashen warren
Hard to aim with just down-facing projectiles
summer charm
Themed after their items.
ashen warren
Doesn't have anything super interesting
lunar berry
Cosmic steel + Some moon stuff + feathers = green and orange armor
ashen warren
Granted it's pre-hmode but still
lucid marsh
The point of that weapon is to provide a unique playstyle that rewards fast clicking and makes you feel like every weapon is a revolver like the vanilla Venus magnum and Phoenix blaster
summer charm
They linger for a few seconds first to make them more viable.
lucid marsh
Because I like weapons like that and calamity makes them all like every other gun now
plush remnant
I think I'm just gonna post my Profaned Armor as is, and see how much traction it gets.
lucid marsh
But you see, itās not quite just that
ashen warren
Yea that was a really complicated way to say that it works like the bandit in risk of rain
lunar berry
Confusion
ashen warren
Faster you click the faster the gun shoots
lucid marsh
Itās like pop pop in nuclear throne
ashen warren
Why have it fire like the clockwork?
lunar berry
The coding for that would be insane
hollow shell
Naaah it wouldn't be that bad
lucid marsh
Thatās the point... sort of. Basically it makes the first shot every time you start firing into multiple, just like how the clockwork assault rifle works for that one shot. That way, the faster you click, the more bullets come out, even on high fire rate guns.
plush remnant
Doesn't really feel like it, tbh.
It's just summoning 3 minions and applying a self life regen buff
ashen warren
But why?
lucid marsh
So if you āstart firingā a bunch of times, aka, click really fast, it rewards you.
ashen warren
Why not just make it that you fire as fast as you click?
ashen warren
Calamity has borderlands references anyway
lucid marsh
Because pop pop?
This isnāt a borderlands reference this is a reference to enter the gungeon AND nuclear throne.
Admittedly, the item in enter the gungeon works more like the way you describe
ashen warren
Borderlands has a gun type that fires as fast as you click
plush remnant
Jakobs
ashen warren
They're super fun to use
lucid marsh
Oh I see. Enter the gungeon has and item CALLED the lichy trigger finger that makes you fire as fast as you click but it also works on automatic weapons
So every gun becomes that gun if you want to use it that way, and guns that already work that way effectively get a fire rate boost
plush remnant
Tediore is the explosive/grenade reload gimmick, Maliwan is the manufacturer with mostly elemental weapons, Hyperion weapons get more accurate with sustained fire...
ashen warren
Soo
plush remnant
Bandit is Bandit.
ashen warren
Lichy trigger finger sets usetime to 1 but removes autofire
lucid marsh
EXACTLY
lucid marsh
To make it work better on every gun
But now that I think about it, itās probably better to just... do what you said
Iāll make a new suggestion
ashen warren
Tbh the point would be not to use it on the SDFMG or something like that
Use it on halibut or...
nvm i'm against this suggestion
Halibut becomes stupid again
/s btw
lucid marsh
Yeah, my reasoning was āif you can click faster than a machine gun can shoot, then you get way more damage with even machine gunsā
Ok good
Iād just make it work less well with halibut
Or make it like, use time divided by 10 on all guns instead of set to 1
ashen warren
"if you can click faster than a machine gun can shoot" cough mouse-macros
Daedalus emblem (effect kept in elemental quiver of course) š
Make it toggleable with visibility
tight chasm
oh god Dratal's rightclick with that would be the most broken fucking thing
tight chasm
o shit didn't even think about amr
marsh gust
ashen warren
240k dps