But if not a lot of people can complain about free reforges then sure
#suggestions-discussion
quaint marsh
brazen crow
Then maybe would there be a way for the reforges to stick between crafting?
sleek wigeon
No because throwing weapons dont have reforges in calamity
What you could do, based on that is have a left click right click system
brazen crow
That’s sounds like it could be a good idea, but I feel like there could be a problem with that as well?
hollow shell
Wasn't that fixed like a longwhile ago ijones?
Yeah smh get with the times
Throwing weapons' wiki pages have had their best modifiers on them for months
sleek wigeon
Ohno
Tbh that wasnt so much of a fix since fabsol did disable throwing modifiers purposefully
worn bay
If someone wants to sit there and craft back and forth until they get Unreal or whatever I don’t really see a reason to stop them
hollow shell
@worn bay "Bosses emerge of a player joins"?
worn bay
Sorry, autocorrect
hollow shell
There we go
worn bay
My b
radiant meadow
I mean, the hp stat increases in rev+ don't increase until you have more than 7 players.
so it would enrage for no reason?
radiant meadow
@gritty crow A sunken shrine besides the one w/ Terminus?
lunar berry
oof
yep
and i think that you would have the abyssal diving suit by the time you got down there
gritty crow
Doesn't have to be a sunken shrine, that was just me giving an idea
Perhaps a shipwreck or such would be better? Or the remains of a broken submarine that was attacked by a reaver shark?
spark flax
with the Terminus
hollow shell
@gritty crow Do you not know about Terminus?
gritty crow
I guess my gen borked then... I didn't have it when I created my new world
hearty yew
yes, it's not guaranteed due to a bug
thanks, i'll label that as a bug right now
you can also get the item by killing yharon phase 2
hollow shell
^
gritty crow
Cool, I'll have to do that
keen palm
Change either the color of Yharim's status messages or Scal's, because someone might think Scal is Yharon's owner
radiant meadow
Yharim has no status message?
keen palm
Grammar in the text you get when you kill phase 1 yharon
hollow wedge
"my dragon deems you unworthy"
keen palm
killed.
"My dragon deems you an unworthy opponent. Snuff out the profaned flame and destroy the god devourer to witness his true power."
lost agate
And how tf do you believe thats her dragon if she never says a things about it?
radiant meadow
I mean, you could just quickly ask who Yharon's owner is and 99.99% will say either Yharim or don't know
lost agate
And tbh, it will be obvious when yharim becomes a thing
hollow wedge
will yharim walk yharon home when you defeat yharon p1 👀
lost agate
Maybe 
lost agate
round falcon
or perhaps, just as you are about to deliver the final blow, your attack is parried
hollow wedge
id like to see someone parry alpha ray tbh
radiant meadow
parry an immaterializer, 6 yharon sons, and a mechworm 😏
hollow wedge
you can't have yharon sons on p1 fight
lost agate
And imma
hollow wedge
:salute: pinkie
lost agate
Proceeds to parry
spark flax
you don't know what yharim is capable of
arctic wren
what if dot kills yharon though
will yharim parry the plague inside yharon
or a dot that's actually likely to kill him but I digress
keen palm
Alright, serious suggestion: Add Lore Hieroglyphs as really rare drops from enemies in specific areas. These would be solely to give lore that wouldn't be implemented through bosses or the forums. I.e. Piss sea enemies will rarely drop a Hieroglyph that says how it became the piss sea
I'm tired so grammar might be rip
devout seal
keen palm
^ I imagine Yharim hits him so hard phases don't matter
marsh gust
too bad DoG has anti butcher
radiant meadow
idk if they still have the old updates
sleek yew
jovial spire
Could you dm me a dowload link for it?
radiant meadow
the mediafire links don't expire?
I was unable to find v1.3.4.101 and 102
could only find 103
neon panther
welllll actually getting fallen stars without alchemistnpc/luiafk is not that easy
getting enough ammo to last a good portion of a single fight is hard enough
@queen jasper
queen jasper
I've done it enough to last a few fights within two-three hours. Just gotta have fast movement.
neon panther
it’s a high damage weapon but only if you’re willing to farm stars for hours
2-3 hours is a long time just collecting ammo for 1 or 2 bossfights
queen jasper
Eh, not for me.
Then again I have 9k hours in the game so nothing feels like a long time anymore.
queen jasper
RIP my potion supply in that case lol
queen jasper
OOF
ruby cobalt
It's actually only active in Rev, so there's that.
queen jasper
I literally only play DMode, so uh, yeah.
ruby cobalt
Not like money's of any concern in Rev.
frosty kindle
wait, rev+ changes AlchNPC prices?
ruby cobalt
Now it does.
queen jasper
I always forget that piggy banks exist, and poof goes a Plat or so.
frosty kindle
okay, this is epic
ruby cobalt
And this is precisely why you don't let me touch balancing
frosty kindle
basically disabling AlchNPC mod 
i bet the creator of that mod will probably try to create a work-around mod to bypass the rev+ changes
frosty kindle
hahayes
queen jasper
I've used SC to cheese through like 1/4 of the game quite a few times now, lol
tulip parcel
well technically
revengeance increases money drops by five
so if you increase cost by ten
you're REALLY only increasing it by two times
ruby cobalt
Ye, kind of.
frosty kindle
still a shot in the knee for anyone who barely had enough money to buy alchNPC stuff, although that can be circumvented by farming some bosses
queen jasper
Time to use Fargo's to infinitely farm money from KS
tulip parcel
yeah
frosty kindle
farming QB is easier tbh
tulip parcel
desert scourge is easy too if you have a piercing weapon
queen jasper
Not in Death lol
ruby cobalt
Cost's always doubled, but that means nothing. Rev just adds a x5 multiplier on top of that.
queen jasper
QB becomes a fucking machine gun.
ruby cobalt
Death, death.
Just kill DS with armageddon.
Then use Defiled.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Money? What money?
glad thunder
I agree with the star cannon nerf. But could you be more specific on how it will be nerfed Cuz currently your suggestion isn't the most helpful
Like maybe lower damage by 10 and critical strike chance by 15% or something like that
Or make it fire slower
Or even remove auto fire for the star cannon
Make it a sort of phoenix blaster but for stars
OR change the recipe to require 5 stardust, making it post WOF instead of immediately obtainable
ashen warren
Just make the travel time for stars half/1 third of the screen
Maybe make the usetime 15 or something but the travel time is a massive nerf for hm
glad thunder
So lower the velocity of the stars shot?
ashen warren
No, the time not the speed
"Stars are launched from the cannon at 52.5 blocks (105 feet) per second and persist for exactly 1 minute after being launched, ultimately traveling 3150 blocks, or 6300 feet"
So like
25 blocks or something
35 maybe idk
glad thunder
Make it sort of like jester arrows, how they explode upon reaching a certain point in your screen?
glad thunder
Effectively lowering range and making it a good balanced weapon for that stage in the game?
I agree
ashen warren
oh geez the terraria wiki says the star cannon used to be 75 damage per hit
glossy falcon
The balancing was that stars weren't supposed to be easy to come by, but that didn't work.
bitter flower
cough alchemistnpc
marsh gust
here, have a cough syrup
bitter flower
oof me
ruby cobalt
Besides, I already "nerfed" that shit by making things cost more.
bitter flower
bye bye see ya tomorrow, already said enough dumb stuff
ruby cobalt
The update isn't even out yet 
ruby cobalt
Like, you know how the latest public version is 7.6.1?
The latest test version is 8.1
lunar berry
ok
wait what
i still think x10 isn’t enough
1 gold for 1 star isn’t that much lol
ruby cobalt
Those prices are actually configurable.
ruby cobalt
Whoa fuck no.
ashen warren
/s btw
lunar berry
just remove buying stars altogether
tulip parcel
heck just remove stars
ashen warren
Remove the game tbh
tulip parcel
^^
marsh gust
remove all weapon, add halibut and luiafk infinite bullet from starter bag. thats how to make terraria fool proof
ruby cobalt
variety was too confusing
tulip parcel
actually if you want to make terraria foolproof just disable it
ruby cobalt
game removed
tulip parcel
Well if you're awaiting further input, put further in
if you're at the fan you're not far enough
marsh gust
ruby cobalt
tulip parcel
Ahh damn it, just don't go too hard or you'll give it too much RAM
at least there's no risk of making it a motherboard
quasi fable
what
marsh gust
awaiting further input
put further in
quasi fable
stop those hings
tulip parcel
Okay ssso
This is part of a suggestion I'm about to make for a set of complex wings
and I need some advice on what time the player should be able to get it
the gist is, unlike most wings which allow you to choose direction 100% of the time as well as providing slow fall
this is a set of wings that are much faster than usual, have a greater flight time than usual, and have a greater acceleration/turn speed than usual
-BUT- they have a limited upward flight, do -NOT- slow fall (though they protect against fall damage as normal), and the flight is uncontrolled until the user halts vertical momentum
ashen warren
Firstly add a background to your suggestion so it's possible to read in discord
ashen warren
No I use dark
tulip parcel
huh, I can see it pretty easily on dark
ashen warren
Clicking on it makes the text blend in with the darkened area
err i meant diagrams
It means I need to click to read then click out to see the diagram
ashen warren
Just fyi it's the diagram that's the issue
Just add the dark theme background behind it all or something
tulip parcel
Yes, you move in a steep diagonal line depending on the way you're facing
or should it just be straight up
ashen warren
How does horizontal movement work exactly?
tulip parcel
Okay so
Think of it like this; you have 100 fuel
If you spend all of it to get as high as you can go, you have no more left to spend moving horizontally
Let's say the second image is you spent 60 fuel on vertical movement
You then have 40 to spend moving horizontally, and you move much faster horizontally than vertically
Once that is spent you fall as normal
ashen warren
So you hover in place if you haven't exhausted flight time?
tulip parcel
What do you mean?
tulip parcel
Ah. No, once you've used your vertical movement you cannot continue it. If you lock into horizontal, you stay in horizontal.
Though you -are- able to hover, if you press no directional keys.
hollow shell
When are these wings supposed to be obtainable?
tulip parcel
No, you consume "fuel" still
hollow shell
Cuz they sound more annoying and inconvenient than any other wings I've heard of . _.
tulip parcel
I was originally going to say they're pre-hardmode
ashen warren
Tbh I think they would be great for skyline wings and maybe 1 before but probably not
tulip parcel
not like, hardmode wings
ashen warren
Skyline wings would then be actually useful
wicked swift
They could be like, gelwings or something 
ashen warren
A set of wings with skyline stats pre-skyline and roughly... SoC stats for after
Skyline would be a freer form of movement but less flight
This theoretical set of wings would be more effective just harder to use
tulip parcel
soul of cryogen
ashen warren
Soul of Cryogen
wicked swift
o
tulip parcel
maybe this uses aerialite but -doesn't- require bone
which means it's obtainable pre-skeletron
unlike skylines
ashen warren
That works
ashen warren
Then some kinda one for pre-wof/super early hm
ashen warren
I just use the bundle of balloons tbh
wicked swift
I use both
tulip parcel
This is already a pretty lengthy suggestion to explain, though I guess pitching it and a variant isn't a bad idea
since it's a complex mechanic when put alongside standard wings
wicked swift
So... Aerialite bars, iron/lead bars, what else could we do for the recipe?
tulip parcel
I was thinking when making this
ashen warren
I'm trying to think of a nice and simple way to clearly get it across but it ain't happening
tulip parcel
Aerialite, iron/lead, leather, rope
wicked swift
The image is probably the clearest way tbh
ashen warren
Other than the diagram
wicked swift
Rope?
wicked swift
no
marsh gust
psst do you think posting the vitruvian man allowed?
wicked swift
Soo... "blades" out of leather, ropes out of rope, main thing out of iron/lead and aerialite
ashen warren
Leather to make sure it doesn't fall off you (and comfiness), aerialite for blades, iron/lead for the frame, rope for strappage
tulip parcel
I was thinking of adding in a variant for post-SG which is basically slapping a flamethrower under it
Which allows for -slight- control over X/Y axises during the "locked out" phases from before
as well as looking legit
wicked swift
Maybe add some wood, since that sketch looks like wood, and the iron/lead can protect the wood frame in case it rains for example
Wood would be more for a reference to the sketch than actually being important to the item tbh
ashen warren
"basically slapping a flamethrower under it" Tooltip: Nothing could go wrong.
tulip parcel
I think the flame variant could also have some bonus stats
ashen warren
Just make it release damaging flames
Maybe have the blades damage enemies on both
Safety is already out the window
wicked swift
They should provide some defense, as an iron backpack guards you pretty well on the back
ashen warren
Except if it sustains any kind of damage it's broken and you won't be able to fly
You don't want it to shield you
wicked swift
Me earlier: "make the frame out of wood and have the iron guard the wood"
tulip parcel
Oh you know what no
The flame fires in the opposite direction the player is going from their feet
frail mantle
Maybe make it like the drill mount, like when you are flying you cant use items
ashen warren
oof no that would make it useless
tulip parcel
If they go left the flames trail along the right, if they turn right the flames spray left
And no that would make it unusable
wicked swift
@fast ledge check the #changelogs
ashen warren
@fast ledge uhh 
frail mantle
or just that when it’s in use, your weapons become less accurate
bitter flower
read
tulip parcel
By design it’s meant to be hard to use
frail mantle
I mean, you are on a shaky-ass helicopter
tulip parcel
The reward is having extremely fast wings that early
But you need to be able to use them well
wicked swift
Poor guy, he's been pinged 3 times already
ashen warren
The downside is the crappy af helicopter
fast ledge
oh sorry my bad @wicked swift
tulip parcel
Okay give me a bit
I think the post-SG variant combines it with rocket boots and purified gel
Maybe more leather too
ashen warren
So basically
1 post-hm/perf set of "wings"
1 post-sg set of "wings" that has damaging capabilities
Improve diagram in a way that conveys all the information neatly and cleanly
ez ⭐
tulip parcel
How do I make the diagram better, like... what is it missing
ashen warren
Describe how each panel happens in steps
People process bite size bits of information real easy
ashen warren
Oh and the "fuel" thing
tulip parcel
I think I'll have each one be three "panels"
or...
maybe a flowchart
actually here's a question
would it be better to be completely vertical flight then completely horizontal flight
or to have it be how it is now
with it being "moves slightly in the direction the player is facing" during the vertical momentum
ashen warren
It's great how it is tbh
tulip parcel
okay!
raw patio
Or just have some self control and don't abuse QoL mods
ruby cobalt
epic
tulip parcel
Okay this is the graph without legend
Does it make sense?
Uhh
the one I have is transparent, for some reason if I copy-paste it into discord it gives it an all-black background
I don't know why
I was probably going to go with a grey background again, or maybe like... I dunno.
But is this clear? Maybe I need more plain white arrows to the "you held space the whole time" path?
ashen warren
It would be easier to judge with the legend
spark flax
so basically you have very limited horizontal movement while flying and need to hover to move around horizontally well?
ashen warren
Yes
ashen warren
A shitty prototype helicopter?
spark flax
that's... weird
i like it
tulip parcel
Yeah thsi is meant to be a pre-hardmode alternative to skyline
tired haven
Tbh this just looks like how hoverboard works
tulip parcel
offering the speed of post-moonlord wings but requiring you to get really fuckin good at controlling them
tired haven
Except no out-of-flight hover
tulip parcel
well maybe not THAT extreme
ashen warren
Hoverboard is way better are you kidding?
tulip parcel
maybe late hardmode
ashen warren
Pressing space means minimal left or right movement
You have to let go but then it's fast
tulip parcel
let me work on the legend for a bit
I think this is more work done for a suggestion than I've ever given
Okay
How's this?
ashen warren
Oh I see
ruby cobalt
Better, much better.
ashen warren
Pressing space in midair is what starts the hover
And pressing it again makes it de-activate
It takes a second but yes it's far clearer
tulip parcel
okay, great
ashen warren
Looks nice as well tbh
tulip parcel
no
I'm posting this here just for feedback
like a "looks good" or whatever before posting it
tulip parcel
yeaah
alright I'll delete it here and move it over
also I kinda had to do it here first 'cause it's two posts
astral gust
and yeah i've been lurking through this channel for a while
tulip parcel
I'll note that in the suggestion proper
astral gust
it's pretty damn good
ruby cobalt
Also yes, posting almost-finished-concepts here is more than welcomed, so their refinement can be finished
marsh gust
^
ashen warren
5 Stars in the first few seconds of posting 
tulip parcel
marsh gust
its good xd
gritty kiln
Do we really need more crafting stations?
tulip parcel
say wha?
marsh gust
hes talking to the suggestion b4 yours, about adding another crafting station cause the swap between titanium forge n draedon's forge is quite lengthy
tulip parcel
aaah okay
yeah, not really I don't think. Even if the gap between the two forges is pretty long.
ashen warren
are there also plans to add drops to some of the super hard depth biome enemies?
gritty kiln
I don't mind if it's just a forge with additional functions but a different required forge every interval can be overwhelming, especially with a bunch of mods adding other crafting stations.
marsh gust
the lower layers of the abyss are meant to be explored later on with better gear, and like some times you can only get in that layer post polterghast.
ashen warren
I thought the Ancient Manipulator was the bridge between Titanium Forge and Draedon's Forge?
tired haven
Not quite
You can't craft forge stuff on manipulator
The only correlation is that most recipes on that tier use manipulator more
ashen warren
fair enough
alpine garnet
Post cultist throwing wep
gusty geode
I might still be feeling salty over the Space Gun/Meteor Armor nerf but bringing the Star Cannon down too is dumb
It has ammo that's harder to get than most guns, and the AlchemistNPC part is the result of mod comboing, nothing can be done to fix how broken it often is
You'd need to spend a lot of time collecting enough stars for a full fight anyway, and if it's actually worth it to go through that, you probably deserve it
ruby cobalt
tl;dr - you combo mods and break shit, it's on you, not us
gusty geode
I want to believe I'm wrong but I feel like they're just nerfing weapons that might shake up the existing meta
tulip parcel
The Whirligig is already almost at 30
And it went up at a bad time only four hours ago
I’m pretty happy
lucid oracle
@ruby cobalt Have I finally abided by the extremely strict rules of Suggestions?
ruby cobalt
"extremely strict"
More or less, yeah.
Outlines what you want, no extra shit, in one message, etc.
lucid oracle
I feel as if they're a bit strict, yeah. Unless you can come into this channel with something that's less... thought out, in order to start a discussion on what could be improved about a thing.
ruby cobalt
Oh, you definitely can post unpolished suggestions here.
In fact, that's how people improve them.
Just not in #suggestions-voting, because that's the final step of suggesting something.
lucid oracle
On a side note, what do you people think of weapons like the Halibut existing? I think having what can pretty much be regarded as "I win" buttons just isn't fun for gameplay. While the argument could be made to just not use it, there's also people who feel compelled to use it because it's fun to maximize your DPS with the tools you're given. In the case of another mod, I'd just remove it (i.e Thorium and it's bullshit healing), but Calamity just has too much good stuff to do that.
(also the Halibut deletes FPS)
lucid oracle
I don't see how a weapon being a reference has any impact on it's balance.
A reference can still be a well made reference, where it's both fun to use and balanced with the rest of the items in the game.
ruby cobalt
It can.
In this case - it probably won't be.
Although, there is a way.
But it's kind of risky.
lucid oracle
Then I have to ask, why? I know vaguely of what it's referencing, and I don't see how it's absurd power has anything to do with what it's referencing.
I don't see how the reference would be impacted at all if it became a well designed weapon.
ruby cobalt
The thing is, you're asking wrong person.
ruby cobalt
You need to bitch to Fab directly.
lucid oracle
Does he have issues with being pinged
ruby cobalt
It ends with warns, mutes, bans, you name it.
Mostly for stupid shit.
If it's legitimate feedback - he's fine with it.
lucid oracle
@ancient widget Well then, I'll be on for a bit. I'd like to talk to you about the Halibut when you have time, because I think it's a cool weapon. The reference is neat I guess, and it feels really fun to use. But it's so absrudly powerful I just don't want to use it, but at the same time, I want to because it's a weapon i'm given through legitimate means.
I'd like to know why it's this way, and if there's any possibility of changing it. I don't think it's designed well, at all, and would be much better overall if it was balanced in regards to the rest of the mod.
tired haven
spoiler: this one won't be considered legitimate unless you have charisma 100
lucid oracle
Too late
tired haven
Yeah ik
lucid oracle
tulip parcel
I dunno I like fabsol
ruby cobalt
You'll be able to talk to him in approximately 2-3 hours, unless he bans/ignores you first.
tulip parcel
He’s a cool guy
Talked with him a lot yesterday
Though yeah he’ll probably ignore you
ruby cobalt
@fervent sky oi, did you post that crossover with thorium's healer class
If you did - it goes into Thorium's server most likely, we don't deal with that. Although yes, I'll try to bring it up with the devs.
Purity Shield 2.0?
Yes.
lucid oracle
I don't know if Calamity interacting with Thorium would be a very good idea. Thoriums healer class is very cheesy. It's just so powerful, it scales better than Calamity does with certain combinations, and trivializes everything.
tired haven
Something something
All rev caps and vanilla buffs into thorium ecosystem
Lich easier than twins hahaues
lucid oracle
Moon lord
😂, even the later game Post-ML calamity bosses are trivialized by Thorium healers.
ruby cobalt
You think I'm fucking joking here?
We had an MP duo sesh where a guy with fallen pally set was facetanking ML.
While tanking 0 damage.
lucid oracle
Moonlord is a bitch even in vanilla 😏
ruby cobalt
..it was death.
ruby cobalt
Think about it.
ruby cobalt
And no, we didn't intentionally try to break it.
It does have caps, but none of them are hardcaps.
lucid oracle
Was the duo session with Calamity installed?
ruby cobalt
death
Naturally.
lucid oracle
I'm retarded don't worry
So even with Calamity soft-caps you were able to hit 100% damage reduction
ruby cobalt
Yes.
lucid oracle
I don't see any other response except for adding a hardcap
ruby cobalt
That was some time ago, but caps were still relevant.
lucid oracle
Or a logarithmic softcap
ruby cobalt
Oh, and we didn't hit 100% DR.
We outregened it as a bard and healer.
No serpent wand was used.
lucid oracle
Wait, how do you out-regen something on death mode?
I thought it was instant kill no matter what
ruby cobalt
Nope, that's armageddon.
lucid oracle
Oh i'll have to go edit my suggestion then
The fuck is death mode
I know of Revengeance, and Armageddon
tulip parcel
Revengeance with a vengeance basically
lucid oracle
How does one enable it? I've apparently completely missed this
tulip parcel
It’s an item
ruby cobalt
Comes from a starter bag as of now.
tulip parcel
If you make a new character in 1.4 you get the item
Otherwise craft it at a demon altars
ruby cobalt
Earlier it was craftable on a demon altar along with defiled.
tulip parcel
Makes all bosses much harder
lucid oracle
Why did that change?
ruby cobalt
!wiki Death
red stormBOT
ruby cobalt
This is what you're looking for.
tulip parcel
Like EoC starting in phase 2
ruby cobalt
DR is hardcapped at 30%.
lucid oracle
well that's a bit harsh
ruby cobalt
Think about that real hard, and then realize that Thorium has some broken shit.
Or, at least had.
Pally armor was nerfed.
lucid oracle
Might have changed then
But last I used Thorium (last year) it just trivialized everything
at all stages of the game pretty much
ruby cobalt
I have to agree with that notion.
lucid oracle
I definitely think the DR hardcap could be increased, though. Although I haven't had too much experience with the later game armor, but I feel as if a low DR cap would make melee/tank builds less viable.
Whereas DPS builds which usually don't build much DR anyway (at least, I don't) wouldn't really be affected.
ruby cobalt
Well, you see.
WIth a specific set of combinations you were able to proc SCal's 100 damage anticheese.
lucid oracle
Anti-cheese?
ruby cobalt
If you take less than 100 damage you die.
ruby cobalt
Not really harsh, considering you can't really drop that low generally.
You'd have to use a really specific combo.
lucid oracle
Honestly though, I feel as if it would be better to just punish them by drastically lowering their damage dealt, rather than just out right killing them
lucid oracle
But I dunno i've not delved too much into that to really have a solid opinion
ruby cobalt
It only pulls it off on one singular occasion - you have to be hit with the lowest damage projectile.
But that triggered a nerf to beetle armor.
lucid oracle
Also, sorry. Before when I said it would be better if the DR softcap was logarithmic, what I meant was an Asymptote.
agile cloud
I must find a way to make scal do 101 damage
also would buffing the softcap to 35% DR be reasonable
lucid oracle
Horizontal asymptote would be best in my opinion. It effectivley lets you set a hardcap while also reducing the effectiveness of DR as you stack more.
lucid oracle
agile cloud
so it increases over time?
lucid oracle
Decreases as you get more
lucid oracle
Example
At 30% damage reduction you only get to use 28%
at 60% damage reduction you only get 50%
At 100% you only get 60%
etc
agile cloud
So it removes a percentage as you get more
with the percentage growing as you gain it
lucid oracle
Also, something specific to that is
It can never reach a certain point
It gets infinitely closer but it will never reach that point
sleek wigeon
I'd star it
agile cloud
Post it
lucid oracle
Well write something up, i'm busy refining my other suggestion and doing unrelated things
agile cloud
but i didnt do any of the work for it xd
tulip parcel
You should refine it before posting it reviire
I will say you’re a lot better about your suggestions today than yesterday
lucid oracle
Well that would be a bit counter productive, because something can always be refined
I've already hit the world limit on my precise movement item suggestion so I'm going to split that up into two posts once I'm done with it.
Also time to do other things so ping me if you need me
jovial spire
Is there something to do if a suggestion has had 50+ stars for like 3 days and isnt sent?
jovial spire
kk
ruby cobalt
Wow, this is fucking ass to code.
hollow shell
@agile cloud Revengeance Mode doesn't have hard caps anymore, it has soft caps
hollow shell
I did, I like it now that I know it's pre-wings
@agile cloud Death Mode has no caps at all
tulip parcel
Yeah it’s not meant to compete with other wings
It’s meant to be an unwieldy but strong alternative to skylines
hollow shell
RIP
You coulda suggested them as new caps, if you wanted
twilit gyro
2hu cape sounds neat, although I worry about slow movement speed against bosses that have both projectile swarms and charging attacks.
It would help against Supreme Calamitas' projectile swarms, but then she'd just tackle you and murder the h*ck out of you.
Perhaps the functionality could be added to an existing item, and there's a hotkey to toggle between flight modes?
Sort of like, well, pressing Shift in a Touhou game.
ruby cobalt
@gritty crow this is not because of you being a tester or anything
gritty crow
I've done 3 playthroughs of Calamity now, and every time the only legendary item I've gotten is the Community
Besides I test a completely unrelated mod, so that doesn't matter
ruby cobalt
I mean.
I can share my experience of getting Briny Baron from Golem and Vesuvius from etherian goblin.
hollow shell
what
ruby cobalt
Which is EX painful when you realize that it's 1/1000000
twilit gyro
1% drop chances suck, honestly. It feels like work to grind for a 1% drop chance item from a boss, and grinding is the fastest way to kill my interest in a game.
ruby cobalt
I am a mod now, yes.
sturdy latch
Good job, fellow king of calamity guides.
To be honest, that thing really helped me.
sturdy latch
I got a laugh.
alpine garnet
ayyy grats drh
sturdy latch
MAY THE STARS GUIDE YOU’RE GAY.
twilit gyro
Anyhow, I support this change. Making Drataliornus is hard enough without grinding for a 1% drop chance item from Plantera.
sturdy latch
Aaaaaand then there’s apotheosis.
alpine garnet
I like having a use for the legendaries
and with defiled it's not even hard
buy some portable bulbs and an endgame char can prob melt at least 4 planteras per minute
and you're obv endgame if making drat
sturdy latch
But Drataliornus is just horrifying to get considering the fact that you are fighting a far stronger boss that doesn’t have multiple segments that all connect to one’s health.
alpine garnet
it's not that bad to get
twilit gyro
Grind reducing in general is a positive thing for the game, in my eyes.
On a personal level, I don't like the Bumblebirb section of the game, because it's doing the same thing over and over again to get a bunch of feathers.
It's not harder to kill Bumblebirb 20 times as it is to kill it two or three times, it just takes longer.
hollow shell
@sturdy latch Welp, I guess you got your wish
sturdy latch
Nah
Oh, wait.
I have won again!
Maybe.
Was I the only one that suggested a Sulphurous Sea background?
hollow shell
Nah people have been wanting that shit for ages
hollow shell
Cuz your suggestion also says to nerf Bloody Edge, which didn't happen
shadow prism
Make it so Statigel-tier items are crafted at a Static Refiner to give it more use and add some theming.
hollow shell
That already got sent in
radiant meadow
Haven't you posted that before?
shadow prism
oh
ruby cobalt
Reposts are allowed, if they weren't already sent or else.
shadow prism
do we need a hyper mana potion or something that restores 500 mana ,was thinking stardust + super mana potions to give stardust a use
hollow shell
Well it'd be called Supreme Mana Potion
shadow prism
there’s an entire biome with 1 useful resource and it’s only used in things you make once and never again (stardust)
low hedge
hollow shell
and you could craft it at the same time as Super, so that might be a bit weird
low hedge
dont let nitro hear that
shadow prism
so something consumable using stardust would be nice (revivify doesn’t count, it’s not that useful)
hollow shell
Then again, you can also craft Omega Healing right after Supreme Healing, so...
agile cloud
buff supreme healing recipie
shadow prism
nah it’s fine rn
shadow prism
wait it does?
shadow prism
it doesn’t
radiant meadow
then it's white wine
ruby cobalt
It's 200 tho 
shadow prism
it’s neither
ruby cobalt
I WILL NERF YOU
radiant meadow
I don't want to open Terraria right now, do I have to check and see myself?
ruby cobalt
Wiki tells you white wine does nothing
shadow prism
also is grape beer just a worse restoration potion
ruby cobalt
radiant meadow
it also acts as a mana pot
radiant meadow
shadow prism
is it compatible with mana flower
radiant meadow
probably
shadow prism
tbh grape beer needs a buff, it’s really awful rn
radiant meadow
but it won't give buffs w/ auto mana button
and it won't give mana w/ quick buff button
shadow prism
also dragon rage, deathhail staff, deathwind and maybe excelsus and eradictor desperately need buffs
they’re literally useless rn
this update is already buffing a bunch of stuff anyways
radiant meadow
what about burning sky?
shadow prism
it’s fine tbh
radiant meadow
it kind of lost its niche in 1.4
shadow prism
yeah but it’s still not absolute garbage
dragon rage and the two death weapons are literally unusable
excelsus is bad but not atrocious and eradicator is eh
radiant meadow
doesn't help that deathwind is outclassed by alluvion which is outclassed by phangasm
radiant meadow
yeah, it can just get completely outclassed by empyrean knives
shadow prism
boss drop weapons are supposed to be weaker than crafted weapons tho
but it’s still miles worse
especially when you have executioner’s, which is a tier earlier and directly after DoG and way better
fates reveal and ghastly visage are also pretty bad
reveal in particular is just horrid
alright I’m gonna suggest buffing dragon rage, deathhail staff, deathwind and fates reveal
some of the others kinda need buffs but I’m hesitant to suggest them because they’re at least somewhat usable
radiant meadow
ghastly visage is also pretty horrid cuz of bug
if you don't have mana flower spam and you continuously autofire, well, you waste mana and shoot nothing when your mana reaches zero
twilit gyro
I tweaked my Bumblebirb suggestion with some additional reasoning, plus a gameplay suggestion.
radiant meadow
how do you drop only .66 of a feather?
twilit gyro
Have it drop 1 feather at a 66% chance.
I admittedly am not exactly familiar with how Terraria's code works for determining drops is, but there are a few ways you could do it.
It could also drop 2 feathers 25%-33% (Normal) / 66-75% (Expert+) of the time, too.
radiant meadow
oh ok
twilit gyro
Which averages out to .5-.66/1.33-1.5 feathers per kill over the long run.
twilit gyro
Average rates.
lunar berry
how does one make a bumblebirb drop half a feather
twilit gyro
My overall balancing principle is that repetition for repetition's sake does not make for fun and engaging gameplay. Much like the Plantera example earlier with Legendary drops, it's not harder to kill Plantera 100 times as it is to kill it 20 times, it just takes 5 times as long.
radiant meadow
scroll up like 5 posts
twilit gyro
Averages.
lunar berry
there’s this thing called defiled rune u know
twilit gyro
Still.
lunar berry
you should clarify your suggestion
twilit gyro
The Defiled Rune is a step in the right direction, rewarding skilled gameplay (much like the farming example I gave in my post), but it's still a ton of work.
lunar berry
it’s a bit confusing
twilit gyro
There. I added 'an average of' to it.
lunar berry
yeah but it’s still confusing
trust me
if someone just saw that they would be confused
twilit gyro
It's not hard if you understand math and coding???
lunar berry
sigh
opal barn
Not many people understand that tbh /s
twilit gyro
And there are multiple ways to reach that average number as well.
twilit gyro
But changing drop percentages between Normal and Expert is something Terraria already does.
lunar berry
but people don’t know that
twilit gyro
I could have been really obtuse and said 125% chance to drop 1 feather.
lunar berry
you gotta make it so the general public can understand
twilit gyro
But an average of 1.25 feathers is the same thing as a 125% chance of a 1 feather drop.
lunar berry
does it have to be that precise
heck, even saying ‘baby bumblebirbs drop feathers, more in higher difficulty modes’ would suffice
twilit gyro
They're just my value suggestions. I want to reward being able to farm baby birbs to reduce the number of times you have to fight the boss, without making it too overpowered so you only have to fight it once.
radiant meadow
125% chance = 100% chance?
lunar berry
^
ruby cobalt
Yup.
ruby cobalt
For crits - yes.
radiant meadow
this is drop rates
ruby cobalt
If it's >100% then it's 100%.
lunar berry
gg on mod
ruby cobalt
Drop rates follow the same logic.
twilit gyro
I'm coming from a Fire Emblem background, where a 125% stat growth means that you're always guaranteed 1, and a 25% chance of getting two.
twilit gyro
Averages are averages. Over 10 baby birb kills, you should expect 6-8 feathers on Normal and 12-15 feathers on Expert+ with my rates.
shadow prism
just say drops 1-2 feathers
lunar berry
trust me it’s not going to get many stars
lunar berry
edit it so it’s linear e.g. what electro said
haha you need to get to 50
if you don’t
then your suggestion pretty much won’t matter
twilit gyro
¯_(ツ)_/¯
radiant meadow
50 out of 23000 tbf
twilit gyro
My one star is a dev, so there's that.
radiant meadow
that's cuz they have to
lunar berry
^
radiant meadow
or any cool dude
twilit gyro
Oh I see
lunar berry
and you’re not going to get much more
radiant meadow
it needs at least 50 to get sent to the dev server and get considered
lunar berry
i agree with your suggestion, but it needs to be clarified
not many people will understand ‘average of 0.66 feathers’
twilit gyro
Okay I dumbed it down a bit.
lunar berry
goddammit
just say 0-1 feathers (normal) 1-2 feathers (expert)
something like that
twilit gyro
Averages are way more useful data than percentage chances of a range.
radiant meadow
I mean, the devs decide stats in the end
lunar berry
yep
as i said just saying that they drop a small amount of feathers would suffice
along with the reasons, of course
there we go
now you will see the star count rise up
twilit gyro
Seems like an obtuse system. I guess it's so they don't get flooded, but
Anyhow most of the things I'd like to see changed (in games in general) is just a reduction in repetition.
There's no faster way to make me lose interest in a game than making me feel like I'm not progressing anymore, and grinding the same thing over and over and over again is one way that happens to me.
radiant meadow
Then don't play Terraria?
or better yet, don't get Drataliornus
and the limit used to be 35 stars but the dev server was getting flooded
twilit gyro
I like this game a lot. I bought the day it came out, and have put hundreds of hours into multiple characters over the years. My playthroughs usually end post-final boss, but there's some stuff I just don't have patience for, like getting a Rod of Discord or gathering incredible amounts of building materials.
shadow prism
rod more like defiled rune
twilit gyro
I like the gameplay a lot, but if I feel like the game's becoming a chore, I usually just cheat to get past that part.
Cheat Sheet is actually such a blessing for building stuff.
elfin rapids
can agree with that, it actually allows you to make a functioning house in the abyss
otherwise there'd be no way to remove those walls
lucid oracle
@radiant meadow Seems like a bit of an odd gate, don't you think? That seems like it would prevent niche features from getting through, or things that affect a small number of players, like what is presumably the playerbase of Death/Armageddon moders
radiant meadow
what?
lucid oracle
The 50 stars to get sent to the dev server
radiant meadow
well, there are 23k people on the server
and when the limit was 35, the dev server got flooded
there was some dispute among the devs, but the change happened and there is little we can do about it
lucid oracle
Point still stands, though. I guarantee you a large portion of those 23K people aren't active, and some groups are probably small. Like the aforementioned players who play on Death and Armageddon
I imagine the devs still consider features they themselves like in any case, considering it's their mod and all
twilit gyro
I'm under the impression that "Hey, I like this idea" is a thing that can happen occasionally.
hollow shell
We want to implement stuff that a lot of people want
and this voting system allows us to see that
hollow shell
If a feature is more niche or only wanted by a small group of people
then
it's not gonna have priority over something that is wanted by many people
lucid oracle
Wasn't trying to imply the contrary @hollow shell. I was more referring to features that might not get attention by a lot of players, it would be a bit silly if the idea was required to have 50 votes. But I understand having priorities, maybe I just mis-understood the wording of the guy before.
When I read it, I got the idea that it was a requirement, rather than "this is just going to get considered far before any niche features"
@radiant meadow Actually I was talking to you so you'd say something back, it's always fun to talk about things. We don't need to be moderators/devs to criticize the way they do things.
ashen warren
Those suggestions
The 2 genders right there
radiant meadow
I mean, is there a need for a lower limit?
lucid oracle
that wasn't the point
radiant meadow
say something back to what? 
I'm sorry if I'm just being confused and confusing those around me
lucid oracle
lemme finish eating first if you actually want to talk
cyan lagoon
Molten is fine imo
the prehm ore armors desperately need it more
(that or nerf wulfrum/victide so they can atleast be on par)
ashen warren
nights armor
elfin rapids
terra armour when
twilit gyro
I am of the school of balance where weaker things should be buffed instead of stronger things being nerfed.
radiant meadow
eww, sounds like a thorium rip off
tulip parcel
you're a thorium ripoff, you slut!
twilit gyro
Copper + Tin makes bronze, and that is possible in one world in Calamity.
In real life
tulip parcel
oh yeah
because the planetoids are a thing
I was avoiding mentioning that
because... yeah
okay well how about two copper ore + two tin ore = two bronze bars
and bronze is roughly equal to demonite
lucid oracle
@twilit gyro That's a fairly short sighted view, don't you think? There's a lot more to an item than it just being "strong" or "weak", you need to look at specific use cases and why the item is strong or weak, and how changed would affect that item as well as general progression. It's never just a simple answer of buffing or nerfing
twilit gyro
I mean in general. I'm a student of Dota, where underpowered heroes get buffed a lot and overpowered heroes get nerfed a little. It leads to overall power creep, but also much more fun gameplay than if strong stuff is nerfed into the ground.
lucid oracle
I don't know much about DOTA so I can't speak on their balancing practices.
But in any case, taking just one approach to buffing and nerfing is a bad idea. Every case should be examined and then an informed decision made.
twilit gyro
Of course.
But, in relation to the latest suggestion, I'd be more in favor of buffing Molten Armor like suggested, rather than nerfing Aerospec or Statigel.
Since right now it's totally outclassed by the both of them.
lucid oracle
I'd agree with that, Molten is fairly boring and... well, vanilla. Calamity has gone more into the direction of a total overhaul and changed to vanilla items should probably reflect that.
Calamity just outclasses everything. Including other mods
fervent sky
@ruby cobalt yes I was the one who posted the crossover idea. I'll go post it over on the Thorium discord as well
twilit gyro
Keep the defense of Molten where it is at 25 for the set, but give it additional properties. Damage reflection, perhaps?
Buff equipment too much, and you'll need to buff enemies slightly to compensate, though.
lucid oracle
@twilit gyro Not necessarily, if you buff it to a point where it's still worse, or in line with better armor, nothing needs to change.
hollow shell
@dusk quarry Provide a reason in your suggestion
radiant meadow
@dusk quarry you should compress it into a single suggestion
hollow shell
(it would also be preferred to use proper grammar so it fits the effort quota)
lucid oracle
Oh I forgot to ask. Related to the suggestion I made earlier, what do you people think? Of a new method of movement, similar to wings, but one that trades speed for precision, in the same way as well known danmaku games. How do you think that'd affect your gameplay if you used an item like that? What would you think of enemies/bosses that are designed with that in mind, or if in Death or Armageddon mode, bosses shifted over to more danmaku-esque gameplay.
Nothing as intense as the later stages of DoDonPachi, of course.
shadow prism
no
fab already said that's never happening
also wdym helstorm is great blackghost
youre prolly not using ichor/marked for death
marsh gust
oh he meant was constant speed movement? like without acceleration
shadow prism
purity shield basically
marsh gust
yea thats not happening
lucid oracle
Purity shield?
lucid oracle
How does it fly if it has no acceleration 🤔
lucid oracle
The idea was more wings, but you trade the high speed of wings for high precision and quick direction changes
marsh gust
well yea that'll be with very high acceleration or none if it at all. or theres another way?
lucid oracle
I'm not sure i understand the question
marsh gust
like, how would you make the wings more precise
lucid oracle
No delay in changing directions, at least, the ideal version of the item would do that. But they lose the high speed of wings.
Question, have you ever played a bullet hell?
marsh gust
yes
and again that means the wings have no acceleration speed 
fab made it clear he isnt adding it in game
lucid oracle
Where did he say that? I'd like to know so I can see the reasoning behind it
marsh gust
lemme find it brb
lucid oracle
It seems like a weird stance to have, especially when moving fast and generally cheesing things with movespeed tends to be how boss fights go. It doesn't feel satisfying, you know?
sinful violet
i think the brimrose is the closest we're gonna get
lucid oracle
That's fairly... minimal. I'll be honest, there's not a lot of detail there.
I've not used the purity shield or done the fight so I don't really know what it's like
marsh gust
i mean if u still wanna suggest it then go ahead
sinful violet
Purity shield is basically danmaku game movement
Blushie compares some of her boss fights to touhou
So you can guess where that leads
round falcon
Purity shield is honestly not worth installing Unleash for
sinful violet
In other words, danmaku-style movement accessories aren't coming to calamity in the forseeable future.
lucid oracle
@sinful violet I don't know who Blushie is or why they have relevance here
Or why her boss fights are being compared to Touhou
sinful violet
They're a tmodloader dev
marsh gust
but still, if you still wanna still want to suggest it, you need 50 stars and approval from devs. which will be difficult when fab alrdy state that.
sinful violet
There'd be no calamity without her.
marsh gust
her mod's boss fights as well
sinful violet
And I already said where it leads.
marsh gust
lemme find a vid of it..
lucid oracle
Sorry, I didn't say that properly. Why does it lead there
sinful violet
There will be no danmaku style movement, since that's what she describes purity shield as, and that's what fab is against.
lucid oracle
I see thanks
I honestly can't agree with the reasoning behind it though. Terraria movement is just... so shit.
sinful violet
Yeah
lucid oracle
It makes boss fights so un-entertaining. You're not dodging anything.
sinful violet
part of the challenge though
lucid oracle
It's not challenging though
hollow shell
Not dodging anything?
lucid oracle
Not in a way that feels like skill has a major impact, no. Especially against some bosses, like the DOG where you can just run in one direction and yoyo it.
round falcon
implying one boss defines them all
sinful violet
laser walls aren't a thing i see
lucid oracle
I never implied such a thing.
sinful violet
Then you know you can't just run in one direction.
round falcon
You're saying Yharon is easy?
marsh gust
in the screenie i sent fab coded SCal for terraria's movement system
lucid oracle
Has the DoG changed much in the recent year? I'll be honest it has been a bit since I've played.
hollow shell
Ye
round falcon
All the fights have changed.
hollow shell
Have you fought him with the laser walls yet?
lucid oracle
I've not
hollow shell
That is dodging
round falcon
Laser walls, OHKO head in DM
sinful violet
Ravager is another example of a boss with some pretty hellish dodging requirements
Crabulon pre hm too
round falcon
Not to mention both recent versions of SCal
sinful violet
Polterghast bouncing bullet spam
raw patio
My only complain about Ravager is the fact that the blue flame pillar things cheapshot you :L
round falcon
Hitcap or not you kinda have to dodge
lucid oracle
Crabulon? You mean the early game mushroom boss? Or is that something else
hollow shell
Hell I'd say that Expert Mode EoC requires dodging, if you don't have a 1 mile long arena
and yes
lucid oracle
I'll be honest boss names escape me half the time
hollow shell
Crabulon is the mushroom boss
round falcon
Crabulawnmower
lucid oracle
I haven't fought him on Death mode, I didn't even know what death mode was until just before. I had it confused with Armageddon.
hollow shell
Oh right, I forgot Crabulon had the mushroom ceiling rain
lucid oracle
But in standard expert revengeance he was very easy
I'll have to re-do it on Death mode though, since I know it exists now
I've just been playing on Armageddon thinking it was death mode 😂
marsh gust
the mushroom rain isnt that bad imo
hollow shell
Yeah you should do a Rev or Death playthrough soon, if you haven't played in nearly a year
lucid oracle
I'm already doing Revengeance, at the very least I knew about that. Playing on highest settings is fun
marsh gust
the harder it is the better
ashen warren
Having another accessory slot at the very start doesn't seem useful 🤔
marsh gust
DAD mode for maximum fun
but again the bosses are designed around that movement system alrdy
sinful violet
how about we add an accessory that's the opposite of ice skates
marsh gust
changing the movement system would mean you have to like change all of the boss' AI