suggestions-discussion

[dense girder]

better tooltip?

[ruby cobalt]

tbh

if you're gonna get an item dedicated to me

[dense girder]

but there already is

[ruby cobalt]

you should donate to me

[dense girder]

what's your shittiest low-tier reward on Patreon

[ruby cobalt]

so I finally feel like putting something into AlchNPC

[dense girder]

ew alchnpc

[ruby cobalt]

other than translation fixes

[dense girder]

just throw the whole AlchNPC away tbh

[jovial spire]

nah only the gaer

[dense girder]

yeah

[jovial spire]

fuckign last tantrum

[dense girder]

the guns and items and all that shit

Supremely Useless™

[jovial spire]

Well just get alchemist npc lite

[dense girder]

content disabler?

but that disables the multibuff potions

doesn't it

[jovial spire]

thats what it is

No it dosnt

[dense girder]

HELL YEAH

Don't worry bby architect i'm coming back for you

[elder mist]

am I missing something, community is far from a gamebreaking accessory

[teal shoal]

Mhm stats which are easily beating every accessory type in about everything at postml+

[keen palm]

What's the rule on reposting incase your suggestion got 50+ stars?

but no check

[teal shoal]

And at post yharon its just dumb

[dense girder]

dm a dev with a screenshot of your suggestion and star count

don't repost smh

[teal shoal]

20/10% damage,crit, 10 def 10%dr/max HP and more like

Literally accessory granting giants buffs with no cons at all

[tired haven]

While class accessories grant like 10/10 dmg/crit and no def/dr/max health

Sure, they have effects but they are class accessories and community also has DoT reduction/wing time

[teal shoal]

^

[keen palm]

They won't get angry right?

oh E

[elder mist]

at this rate we're not going to have any damage in the late game

[teal shoal]

Yea especially with new pots granting like 40+% to damage/crit

In total

[elder mist]

which will inevitably kill you due to negative life regen

[teal shoal]

Lifesteal/buffs/healing pots exist

[elder mist]

which got massively nerfed

the tldr is that we're either not gonna have enough damage or we're going to die by negative life regen trying to get the same damage values we had before

[teal shoal]

Than just instead of looking at pure numbers increase damage by simply playing more aggressively and accurate also you hit caps with barely any accessories so i see no issue

[elder mist]

this "simply playing more aggressively and accurate" doesn't hold ground because damage nerfs apply at all stages where you're dealing damage

whether aggressive or throwing some potshots while focusing on dodging

...and even then, under perfect conditions and maximizing your weapon's damage potential you're still dealing a lot less damage compared to the previous patch

[teal shoal]

Well then so we want bosses being just mindless resets to phaseswitching this way, because it is how it is looking like, for me they didnt still touched everything nowhere enough and all offensive accessories deserve a nerf

[icy kelp]

i thought i had a stroke reading that, fuck

[low hedge]

they just keep coming huh

[fervent zealot]

gasp, a boss suggestion

[delicate raft]

oh boi

[summer charm]

Sorry, are those not allowed?

[delicate raft]

Nope

[fervent zealot]

they are not

[summer charm]

Ah, okay, sorry.

[delicate raft]

Also, use Google Docs for longs posts

[summer charm]

I did, but didn't know you could.

[fervent zealot]

next time before suggesting

[summer charm]

Fair enough. I did the first time, but not any other time. 😛

[lunar berry]

wait the drunk princess kicks u in the balls

[delicate raft]

She does?

lol

[summer charm]

My apologies about the boss thing there.

[delicate raft]

No problem

[summer charm]

I can understand why, because the devs wanna make the bosses the way they want to, but even if there's no chance I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed.

I mean, the pin says they'll 'never be accepted,' which is fine. But can we at least discuss them? It's all good, but.

[sturdy dock]

they're allowed to be posted, ye

just sadly wont happen due to the mod just not needing anymore bosses

[summer charm]

I feel like I need to actually research this community before posting.

😛

Sorry y'all.

[sturdy dock]

ah no worries, just remember to read channel pins and they'll explain everything

[summer charm]

Like, there are three bad things in a row. I suggested a Yharim's Army event and also a redundant item because I didn't know Plantera was available early HM.

But whatever, I digress.

Just to discuss the ideas I'll post it again. But I do realize why they did this.

[hearty yew]

boss suggestions are never accepted

sorry

I'm beating a dead horse

[summer charm]

I'm aware. Just wanna discuss the ideas.

Not even mad that it won't get accepted.

[lunar berry]

yharims army isn’t that bad

and the boss seems cool but it sadly will never be accepted

[fervent zealot]

doesn't really make sense thematicially

crabulon is an ocean creature that migrated to shrooms and died there

[lunar berry]

the woozy debuff seems just extremely annoying

[summer charm]

That's fair. Lore could be that a Plaguebringer found Crabulon on a field mission and brought it back.

Point is to keep you mostly on the ground, except in Death Mode.

[lost agate]

Crabulon is dead

[delicate raft]

Lore-wise ^

[summer charm]

Plaguebringer has some sort of AI, so they could easily make one for the crab.

[lost agate]

No, you literally kill him

[summer charm]

Oh. There aren't multiple.

😛

[lunar berry]

crabulon is dead

[low hedge]

i cant believe crabulon is fucking dead

[lunar berry]

even though he is dead he still moves and feeds because of the mushrooms

they control him

[summer charm]

"When Yharim evaporated the oceans he found a crab struggling to survive, he took it to his lair and made it into a killing machine."

Doesn't have to be related to mushrooms. Could reskin that part.

[lost agate]

But why arming a crab?

[summer charm]

Like, the mushroom part is for the pre-HM boss.

[delicate raft]

He is Dr Eggman

oof

[lost agate]

Why would you want an armored crab

[heady comet]

bongo

[lost agate]

Lol

[summer charm]

That's really awesome, actually. 😛

Probably wanna work from column G then.

Hold on, lemme suggest to buff... uhm, the Seashell Boomerang.

[fervent zealot]

that boss suggestion you made already covers 3 from a single row

[radiant meadow]

what?

[summer charm]

Two+ posts, boss suggestion... Wow. Where's the other plague crab suggestion?

I'm actually interested.

[radiant meadow]

why on earth does seashell boomerang need a buff?

[agile cloud]

Why not

[summer charm]

Was a joke. "Probably wanna work from column G," which includes "Buff [random thing]"

[agile cloud]

Column I looks good

[radiant meadow]

I mean, I'm not gonna disagree with a seashell boomerang buff. Make thrower better than it already is.

[summer charm]

We just need more melee weapons TBH.

Don't force people to keep using a Victide one until Abyss.

[radiant meadow]

I mean, there's mycelial claws for true melee memes.

[summer charm]

And what was the three from one row?

I am confused. I can only see the two from the column. Searched "plague crabulon" too, couldn't find it.

[low hedge]

weve been getting top-middle a lot lately

[summer charm]

That's subjective. I feel like I added attack patterns and a new mechanic to it.

[hollow shell]

@hearty yew ❌?

❌ is not an established reaction

[cyan lagoon]

And its not like its getting sent to the dev server anyway

so no need to put ❌

[heady comet]

❌ means you lost

[low hedge]

X means youre omegadead

[frail mantle]

X means you’re game ended

[low hedge]

like how they marked egyptian doors with red

same thing

[summer charm]

❌ means I have 3 days to leave the server.

[low hedge]

i salute you

[cyan lagoon]

❌ means enough of this

[low hedge]

i agree with that

[summer charm]

I heard that they wouldn't add bosses, deleted it, and re-added it because I felt like I wanted to discuss the suggestion.

[hollow shell]

Should probably delete it again cuz that's takin up a lot of space

[hearty yew]

thanks to whatever mod or admin removed the X

I put it on to mean "this suggestion is invalid and will never be accepted"

@hollow shell

[hollow shell]

I do approve of it to some degree, seems convenient and fitting
but iirc there was a conversation about it which concluded with it not being accepted as a reaction?

Should we add it as a reaction, in the pin?

(re-opening the possibly-may-have-happened-in-the-past conversation)

[devout seal]

@summer charm No boss suggestions.

[hollow shell]

He knows

[heady comet]

poor guy

[sinful violet]

christ

so, no boss suggestions are being accepted, that much is clear

but with the amount of effort put into it, feel free to just leave it here

[ashen warren]

Tbh at least it was quality and you could make it a plague crab miniboss

[sinful violet]

i mean, this channel is called #suggestions-discussion

so if your thoughts on it are that

I felt like I wanted to discuss the suggestion.

then do so here

We can't just make that a miniboss with all that

refine it to be one, if you want it to do that

@summer charm I have the suggestion saved, but I'm going to delete from #suggestions-voting

If you want to discuss it, then discuss it in the discussions channel

We can add minibosses

But not bosses from suggestions

[summer charm]

Fair enough, sorry. Someone else with your role said that it was okay to have it up, so I thought it was okay.

[sinful violet]

Hm

Who?

Cob?

Oh, vai

Vai's just too nice of a person smh

But yeah, we can't accept bosses due to future plans and such

But minibosses are great

[summer charm]

😂 Yeah, sorry, it said that boss suggestions were never accepted, and that was all. So yeah.

[finite canyon]

How about this to keep people from complaining about geldon removed: remove all of his abilities and make him smaller then recolor him and make him a normal enemy. Also remove drops too.

[sinful violet]

that's... just astral slime

[hollow shell]

Somebody suggested something similar to that

Barfface's Astral Rain

[summer charm]

I assumed the thing about boss suggestions was just that "post them, but just know they have no chance"

[sinful violet]

Then discuss it in the #suggestions-discussion channel

[hollow shell]

Bruh

we are

kinda

[summer charm]

Fair enough. Sorry. 😛

[finite canyon]

Or make it spawn a few homing star attacks occasionally

[sinful violet]

#suggestions-voting is for completed, valid suggestions

[finite canyon]

Or just turn astral slimes into astrageldon alimes post moon lord

[lusty idol]

Would it be cool for the Astral Biome to have its own weather?

[finite canyon]

id suggest weather but it would probably include something about the guy in my pfp

[pine solar]

I loved how that slime could one hit you because why not

that was a funny fight

[delicate raft]

tho you could also no-hit it before even defeating any hardmode boss

[frail mantle]

Wait.. does the GSS count as a boss?

[finite canyon]

only reason i am suggesting geldon so much is because too many people are crying about him being removed in another discord and its driving me mad

[sinful violet]

noop

[radiant meadow]

easiest way to tell if an entity is a boss is if it charges your adrenaline while alive

[sinful violet]

if it's driving you mad, why is it your pfp

we are not adding geldon back

fab's established that plenty

[frail mantle]

So Buildmonger’s suggestion could be something like the GSS, as in a miniboss that is summoned using an item and drops something that can be used to craft upgraded equipment?

[finite canyon]

now that i think of it, the fact that my pfp is a constant reminder is probably contributing to my insanity, anyways i’ll shut up now because suggestions talk

[lusty idol]

Well, the Astral Rain thing gave me an idea, but maybe with falling starts that actually hurt you, and special enemy spawns. I don't plan to include Geldon.

Idk, the idea is too fresh. Need some random thinking time.

[radiant meadow]

meteor shower event maybe?

not an invasion, but like rain/sandstorm

[radiant meadow]

@placid galleon Discuss suggestions in here

and delete your post

[placid galleon]

@unique vector to add to that, while "Exhausted" is active you don't build up Adrenaline

did not notice that was an chat xd

[radiant meadow]

👍

yeah, discuss stuff posted in #suggestions-voting here

keep #suggestions-voting just for suggestions

[placid galleon]

k will do from now on

[round falcon]

I'd like to suggest something similar to that exhausted debuff.
I did a while ago, but that got buried fast.
Infuriated
Buff granted by losing Rage Mode
Lasts for 10 seconds (20 in Deathmode) that doubles Rage gain and increases damage by 5%/10%/15%(1.5x in DM). This bypasses the stat caps (why it's balanced is below), but as a consequence your defense is reduced by 10/15/20(Double or triple in DM) and DR is reduced by 5%/7.5%/10%(Double in DM) for the duration.
To clarify, this would only activate if you lose Rage Mode by getting hit.

[unique vector]

@placid galleon yes

[round falcon]

What do you all think?

[little raptor]

i don't get it

[lunar berry]

Why are there so much stats

5/10/15/7.5/15/22.5

[round falcon]

second set in ()s are dm stats

PHM/HM/PML

[sleek wigeon]

could just say

50%/ double in death mode

[radiant meadow]

Testers can still use apoth dummies I suppose that workaround might be helpful.

[keen palm]

Suggestion: Add a reaction of sorts to tell you that your suggestion isn't getting in

[hollow shell]

@lunar berry It's not a boss thing

It's a performance thing

The indirect boss prevention was just a side thing

[finite canyon]

if your suggestion isn't getting in wouldn't it just be better to delete it

[keen palm]

No, successful suggestions on #suggestions-voting

my bad

[lucid marsh]

Hey, about the community nerf thing, I think it should be nerfed but maybe not that much. I’d suggest: +2.5 life regen, +5% damage reduction, +6 defense, +10% damage, +2% melee speed, +10% minion knockback, but no max life increase. I’d also make it combinable with something post- Supreme calamitas or yharon phase 2, maybe with draedon’s heart and heart of the elements. Then it would be roughly as strong as current maxed community plus the special effects (maybe not stat ups?) of the other accessories.

[heady comet]

Risky suggestion but i like it

[spark flax]

HotE fusion sounds fitting imo

[sleek wadi]

Combine it with just Draedon's Heart. Heart of the Elements is a counterpart to Community in my mind, both being balls of stats but one has minions so thus is a free DPS boost, the other having more unique and better stats.

They also get built up as you progress

[spark flax]

yeah, that makes sense

[sleek wadi]

The Community+Draedon's Heart=That Other Community

"All anger, all salt, all the time"

[radiant meadow]

even then, I don't think summoner hits 100k

I think it hangs around 80k when scal's not moving

[heady comet]

yep

[ashen warren]

well i got video evidence

now to upload

[round falcon]

alright i think my suggestion seems decent but not good enough

[heady comet]

Holy shit it got a star

upvote nerf reversion before it dies

[gusty geode]

Did not expect that to be so big, hopefully it doesn't count as a text wall

[radiant meadow]

@ashen warren Is nanotech so bad that it doesn't go into the dps test?

[ashen warren]

Forgot to do that lmao

It's only like 15k higher with nano anyway

Celestus should be higher than 105k if you have to be at 90% hp to get full damage

[radiant meadow]

I kept thinking "It's right there in your vanity, what's wrong with you?"

[ashen warren]

It was too much at 200k, but I think it was fine peaking at 160k

The bigger problem thought is literally everything else is worse

[lunar berry]

@gusty geode some of it i agree, some of it just feels like an extra annoying change, kinda like Fargo’s masochist mode

[spark flax]

-making another way to punish saving adren tactically even though everyone already hates current adren fallout

-"lul game too hard remove QoL"

-more random events when thats already a pain

-(early repost of) document full of unbalanced and annoying ideas we've covered before (lul again @ dark casters teleport on hit and maulers spawn high freq always)

gotta be a yikes from me, no offense

[lunar berry]

Too much masomode fo me

[gusty geode]

Fair enough

[lunar berry]

Interesting

Interesting as well

[hearty yew]

@round falcon clarify that your suggestion requires you to lose an active rage boost

that is, you have to be hit and cancel a running rage boost

Thanks man

I think it's an amazing idea

Sounds like a nice consolation prize, but remember

You get rage by taking damage so

Taking MORE damage makes you get more rage in addition to the increased rage gain

so you'll be getting rage awfully fast

[round falcon]

Yeah. It's kind of a "can i risk the extra rage?"

[hearty yew]

It'll be like playing with fire

Yeah

I think that's fun game design

[round falcon]

Hang on, let me just

[ashen warren]

"by the fevs"

[round falcon]

thanks

[ashen warren]

Nice suggestion

[round falcon]

6 stars in half an hour makes me feel better about the last time I suggested it.

[ashen warren]

Hallowed armor is boring though

Both mechanics wise and thematically

vanilla hallowed sprites don't look that good either

[round falcon]

also am i allowed to add a star to my own suggestion

[lunar berry]

Yes

[lucid marsh]

Idea: buff all vanilla armors slightly and more so in rev+. Don’t add special effects, just increase stats a bit to balance them with calamity armors. Is this suggestion good?

[hearty yew]

it's been suggested before with more details

Specifically preHM ore armor, the oldest armors in Terraria, are completely uninteresting and useless

[ashen warren]

"3: return of astrageldon" @gentle chasm

[hollow shell]

Astrum Aureus is the return of Astrageldon that's actually fun

[gentle chasm]

i'm not going to comment because i know i will get banned if i do.

[hollow shell]

Not banned, just argued with

[ashen warren]

The only one I agree with is the first one because dokuro makes gud shit

[gentle chasm]

not even the astral monolith furniture?

[ashen warren]

At most you'll get a warn but that's unlikely if you're reasonable and follow the rules

[hollow shell]

Also, isn't Astrum Aureus not already similar to Crabulon?

[gentle chasm]

nope

it is closer to astrageldon

[ashen warren]

Tbf I haven't seen them ingame but it doesn't look good

[hollow shell]

He walks left and right with periods of sitting still, he jumps, he fires bursts of projectiles

[gentle chasm]

from my experience, he moves just like astrageldon

[hollow shell]

Not from mine . _.

[gentle chasm]

hold on i'm gonna fight him again to see if you're right

[hollow shell]

Aight

[real parrot]

aureus is...

unique

kinda like crabby i suppose but a lot faster and stronger

[gentle chasm]

yup you're right

[hollow shell]

Nice

[gentle chasm]

he does walk like crabulon

[hollow shell]

Also, Astral does infect the ice just like the Crimson/Corruption/Hallowed do

[gentle chasm]

i found that out already

[real parrot]

afaik yes

wait that wasn't a question

[ashen warren]

He said snow

[hollow shell]

And..
sure there could be an Astral Underground theme, but it doesn't really extend that far down to be worth it imo

Yeah I'm just saying
it's following the infection convention

[gentle chasm]

it can with clentaminator

[ashen warren]

Oh of course

Just it was snoo

[hollow shell]

Aight so

I guess you can split your suggestion into two separate messages

1. Astral underground theme
2. allow Astral to infect snow blocks

and provide some reasoning for each

Astral Monolith and furniture have been suggested in the past

[gentle chasm]

was it accepted?

[ashen warren]

Isn't the deal with furniture that if someone codes and sprites it then it will be added?

[hollow shell]

Astral Monolith was, I know that

and yep, furniture was too

[lunar berry]

i think that astral dirt shouldnt be a thing

only asral grass

like every other spreading biome

mud doesnt count shut up

[proven tide]

@frail mantle The Brimstone Elemental counts as the Fire Elemental, the same way the Siren counts for Water.

[marsh gust]

told. you.

[proven tide]

The fourth sister is the Rare Sandy Waifu.

[frail mantle]

But in the lore, it says she was one of five elementals.

[proven tide]

Brimmy, Sandy, Siren, Other Sandy, Cloud

The five summoned by the HotE

[frail mantle]

But that is just four elements: sand (earth), brimstone, water and cloud (wind)

[worthy fiber]

elements =/= elementals

Also, there’s an Earth Elemental

[frail mantle]

Ya i know

[ruby cobalt]

Do we have to go through with this whole "elaborate on your suggestion" shit?

[rapid folio]

I mean, there's always gonna be that one person, y'know?

[wicked swift]

"One"

[rapid folio]

Okay, some

[arctic wren]

most people

[tulip parcel]

"thing"
"it's cool so add it in please"

[wicked swift]

"add more stuff plos"

[tulip parcel]

Polar Star
"Relic of the First Cave"
Pre-Hardmode Gun
Rarely dropped by Pirahna.

A low damage pistol-type weapon, styled as a futuristic revolver. When firing, it replaces bullets with thin white beams that function identically to regular bullets. After killing five enemies with the gun, it fires two of these beams, which doubles the weapon's low damage. After killing five more, the gun fires large white squares instead, doubling its damage yet again. These squares move at the same velocity as the other projectiles.

Death resets these bonuses. Taking more than 100 damage lowers the current bonus tier by one.

How does this look?

[lucid oracle]

Seems okay, although the buff is a bit... weird. Having something that powers up with kills but stays powered up is just strange. I mean, something that stays powered up over something so mundane is just a bit strange.

[ruby cobalt]

Nerf damage taken to 50 and we're good.

[tulip parcel]

👌

[ashen warren]

It's a reference to cave story reviire

[tulip parcel]

Uhh, well this-yeah

[lucid oracle]

@ashen warren That doesn't change my opinion

[ruby cobalt]

Didn't you suggest Spur earlier?

[tulip parcel]

did I?

[ashen warren]

In cave story when you kill enemies and get xp it levels the weapon

[tulip parcel]

Oh

[ruby cobalt]

There was someone who did that.

[tulip parcel]

I said I was going to but I didn't

[ashen warren]

Like terraria:otherworld was gonna have

[tulip parcel]

there aparently was some autist from a year ago who kept spamming spur

muh

[ruby cobalt]

[tulip parcel]

I dunno. I fucking love cave story but I don't want to post more than -one- suggestion in reference to it

and I think reviiire's concern is valid

[lucid oracle]

Also, it seems like it could be bad in certain bossfights, ones where you can't find enemies to kill. If you get hit your gun just becomes a bit useless

[tulip parcel]

like, within the mechanics of terraria it doesn't really work

spur -would- be more in line though, and search tells me that's never been suggested

[ashen warren]

in cave story boss fights have the same issue

[lucid oracle]

I think it could work better if the buff couldn't be reduced by taking damage, but it was also harder to level up. Although it does seem a bit pointless considering how easy it is to farm enemies in Terraria, maybe some sort of mechanic inspired by the game rather than trying to remain close to the game?

[tulip parcel]

they totally do

well that mechanic is inspired though

in cave story dead enemies don't do anything for you

until you pick up an item they drop

considering etherian mana exists I could have done that, but did not

[lucid oracle]

Something that I think could be a bit more interesting, the buff is decently powerful but you lose it all if you take any damage.

[ashen warren]

Having a weapon that levels could technically be a reference to every videogame with level mechanics for weapons

[lucid oracle]

Something that would take long enough to hit full power, where you just couldn't do it in any boss fight against the mobs they have

[ashen warren]

That's in cave story, the bubbler is like that

You're literally describing the bubbline or whatever it's called

Pathetic weapon that needs lots of xp then it's stronk

[tulip parcel]

wait aren't you the guy who keeps screwing up suggestion rules reviire

[ruby cobalt]

He is

[lucid oracle]

Did i 🤔

[tulip parcel]

yes

multiple times

[ruby cobalt]

Multiple times now, actually

[heady comet]

Bruh can we get more stars on my main man ben shapiro

[tulip parcel]

he aint no danny devito

[lucid oracle]

🤔 I just went over them again and my last one seems fine

[ruby cobalt]

The one before that isn't.

[tulip parcel]

and you don't follow the format either

granted, most people don't

[lucid oracle]

What format

[tulip parcel]

but in your case it's pretty egregious

[lucid oracle]

There's no format given in the rules

[ashen warren]

Tbh I personally think you should add more detail to your last suggestion but eh

[tulip parcel]

yes there is

[ashen warren]

yes there is smh

[lucid oracle]

Oh

[tulip parcel]

fuckin

[lucid oracle]

I had to scroll down more 😂

[tulip parcel]

[ashen warren]

Joke Suggestion: Make it a warnable offence to use the fucking laughing with tears emoji

[ruby cobalt]

Eviscerator suggestion broke rules too

[tulip parcel]

should be a law

[lucid oracle]

Did it?

[tulip parcel]

not a suggestion

[lucid oracle]

Don't you think the rules are a bit strict if I can't list what I think the issues are with a weapon

[tulip parcel]

boy, you can't scroll down two inches to read rules

[ruby cobalt]

No, you just need to provide reasoning and keep it all in one singular post

[tulip parcel]

your damn eyes don't work

try following them next time and people will take you serious

[ashen warren]

"Eviscerator needs to be... good. It's such a bad gun. The damage is ok, the firerate is absolutely horrendous" why does it need to be good

[ruby cobalt]

"it sucks"

Yeah, we know.

"buff it"

[ashen warren]

Especially since the shadethrower is ass as well

[ruby cobalt]

How?

"just buff it"

[lucid oracle]

Why does it need to be good? That's a stupid question. It needs to be good, otherwise why in the fuck is it in the game.

[ruby cobalt]

Why should we do that?

[lucid oracle]

If a weapon isn't viable to use, you have no reason to use it. If people don't use it, why does it exist?

It has no reason to exist if no one uses it.

[ruby cobalt]

Heart of Darkness exists.

[frail mantle]

The same reason why hallowed armor exists

[ashen warren]

There are plenty of items added solely to be bad in most video games smh

[ruby cobalt]

GSS drops exist.

Fucking hallowed armor exists.

[tulip parcel]

the copper shortsword exists

[frail mantle]

i personally use the Sandnado staff to shred the cultist tbh

[ruby cobalt]

Yes, there are bad items.

[opal barn]

gss weps are actually not that bad tbh

[frosty kindle]

i'd rather take m'boi Adamantite armor.

[lucid oracle]

That doesn't mean they're good items, that's just poor design. If no one is going to use the item and there's no reason to use the item, it may as well not exist in the game. It's just a waste of space.

[tulip parcel]

titanium all the waaaay

[ruby cobalt]

Fuck, the ENTIRETY OF ORE SHORTSWORDS exist.

[lucid oracle]

Yeah those don't need to be in the game either

[ruby cobalt]

But they might as well not, yes.

[tulip parcel]

the copper shortsword needs to exist though

[lucid oracle]

The only concievable change to the game is it will become slightly smaller

[opal barn]

Bad items kinda need to exist for the to be balance, at least I think that

[tulip parcel]

to inspire the new player to get better weapons

[lucid oracle]

@opal barn What no

The items practically don't exist because no one will ever use them. There is no reason between the item existing and no one using it, and the item not existing at all.

It never impacts your gameplay.

[frosty kindle]

@tulip parcel titanium all the waaaay
big 🧀

[ashen warren]

Bad items = literally everything below auric tier

that's the point

That's called balance

[lucid oracle]

No, it's not. Because these bad items are not important to progression.

[tulip parcel]

hey cheese isn't one of the most popular foods because it sucks y'know

[lucid oracle]

There is no balance, because no one will ever use these items. They are not important to progression, they will never be used.

[tulip parcel]

...tbh I've never used titanium

[lucid oracle]

I had a stroke at the start of that

[frosty kindle]

i have used titanium once. and i was disgusted by its power

[frail mantle]

Cheese is fucking delicious and you cant convince me otherwise

[tulip parcel]

yeah it's just

it's gross

not cheese

I love cheese. Havarti on a burger is good

[lucid oracle]

@ashen warren The items below auric tier matter because they are required for progression. They are good at the point you obtain them and you need them to progress further in the game. Weapons like the eviscerator and the ore shortswords do not fall into this. They will never be used for progression in a game about progression, they will never even get used

They for all intents and purposes do not exist

[ruby cobalt]

Someone explain why buffing everything to be viable is bad and why removing bad items on whilly-nilly is also bad. I have no patience for this.

[frosty kindle]

explain why cobalt armor exists.

[lucid oracle]

Whoever said it was whilly-nilly?

[opal barn]

You're basically asking the game to be extremely linear if you want bad weapons to be removed

[frosty kindle]

same problemo, a lot of stuff is invalidated by some other items that lay superior.

[ashen warren]

"They are good at the point you obtain them" they're still bad items smh

[lucid oracle]

@opal barn Alright, I want to hear your argument against it if you think that's the case. What does the eviscerator provide to the game?

In what situations do you use it?

[ashen warren]

The fucking copper shortsword is good until you chop a tree down

[tulip parcel]

this is getting asinine

[frail mantle]

The reason we have the eviscerator, the short swords, hallowed armor, all that shit, is because if we didnt, we would have less to complain about, and then we would complain since we didnt have anything to complain about.

[opal barn]

It gives more options, it has its uses on high defence enemies in early game tnh

[lucid oracle]

While a valid argument it's not necessarily related to game design which is what i was talking about

@frail mantle

[tulip parcel]

could you stop pinging people

[frail mantle]

Y

[tulip parcel]

they're reading the chat

you don't need to do that

it's just annoying

[lucid oracle]

I'm just making sure he knows I was responding to him, but sure. If he doesn't want me to.

[ashen warren]

Everything about a game including the community it creates is "Game design"

[frail mantle]

ya but when you ping someone its easier to see who you’re talking to

i dont care either way

[frosty kindle]

or just say their name/nickname. but whatever suits em i guess.

[lucid oracle]

Back in the days when IRC was actually used there was so much pinging

[tulip parcel]

well we're not in the IRC days now are we

[lucid oracle]

I mean if people don't want me to ping them I can do that.

[ashen warren]

variety is the spice of life

[lucid oracle]

But it's easier for them to know, especially if people go between different discords/channels, but this is going offtopic now.

[tulip parcel]

anyway, I'm going to -actually- write up spur this time

instead of saying I will and then not doing it

[frosty kindle]

have fun with it, vorbis!

[ashen warren]

Man it would be boring if bosses only dropped their good items

[tulip parcel]

I'll try, and probably botch it and get like three stars

[lucid oracle]

Nice try, that wasn't what I said at all. Literally not an argument.

[ashen warren]

You would also not be able to craft some endgame stuff

[lucid oracle]

So, if an item is a gateway to a better item, then it has purpose in the game.

Which is, again, not what i said.

At least stop straw-manning and respond to what I said.

[ashen warren]

Almost every bad item is like that and you were arguing that bad items should be removed i.e. bosses only dropped their good shit

[lucid oracle]

Except it's not. Because the drop rate of those items won't be any different, so they still have the exact same chance to drop their good items or not.

The existence of those bad items has absolutely no impact on this.

[frosty kindle]

then what's the point of variety or alternate ways to play the game if its going to be forced into linearity?

[lucid oracle]

Valid point.

That's why I think the poorly performing or at least out-right unusable items should be buffed, so they can add variety.

[ashen warren]

Why not just remove every ranged weapon except for phangasm when you're post-DoG since why would you use something that's more fun just weaker

[lucid oracle]

There is no variety in a weapon that is outclassed by earlier weapons you get, by such a huge amount.

[frail mantle]

I mean, eviscerator is just a pre-hm sniper rifle

[ashen warren]

sniper rifles are fun smh

[lucid oracle]

They don't need to be as good, or better, but good enough to a point where you could viably use it at the point you acquire it in the game. Yes any weapon could be used to kill a boss (well, as long as they don't have any time-related despawn rules), but you're not going to take a wooden bow to a hard boss.

[frosty kindle]

people are free to choose to use metagame strategies and loadouts, or take a more fun or challenging approach by using different things. thats why variety exists, even if certain things may be outclassed in one way or another

[lucid oracle]

But the item i'm referring to specifically, it's not just outclassed, it's not just bad. It's such complete and utter garbage that it's worse than items much further behind it in the progression. It doesn't follow the curve in any way, it's just an outlier off doing it's own thing. Granted, my opinion might change if the weapon wasn't just outright broken and unusable.

[pliant bone]

Copper shortsword still needs to exist tho for memes

[lucid oracle]

I won't argue against memes as a reason

[ashen warren]

dead memes*

[frosty kindle]

the eviscerator was great before.

[lucid oracle]

Has it changed much, aside from the bug that makes it unusable?

[frosty kindle]

a bug??

[lucid oracle]

Might be MP specific, but it desyncs from it's firing animation/clicking pretty much instantly

To the point where it takes over a second for the weapon to fire after clicking

[frosty kindle]

multiplayer is the problem.

[ashen warren]

Multiplayer de-syncs existing tbh

[lucid oracle]

I'm not sure why the eviscerator is affected by the desyncs so much

[frosty kindle]

also, there were changes to the weapon, but only in the form of fair and appreciable damage nerfs.

[ashen warren]

All weapons are it's just that the evis is the slowest weapon in the game iirc

[lucid oracle]

I thought that might be the reason, no other weapon hits delays of 1+ seconds to fire after clicking

No other weapon is as absurdly slow, either

[frosty kindle]

evisc. low fire rate combined with MP desyncs is what might bother you

[lucid oracle]

Do the desyncs affect auto-fire weapons as much?

I can't verify this but i feel like it doesn't.

[frosty kindle]

generally, fast firing weapons cant have that much different on desyncs as their RoF is ludicrous to the point of where it doesnt matter unless your connection is potato

[ashen warren]

Even in singleplayer you can hear a desync on some weapons

Halibut for example though i haven't used one in the newest update

[frail mantle]

Even the wiki states that it has a “somewhat low dps”

[lucid oracle]

On a side note, I definitely think all weapons should have auto-fire enabled, unless the weapons shtick is to have frame perfect timing for some reason. It saves your hand (Or you just macro it)

[frail mantle]

Use auto fire mod

[lucid oracle]

Didn't know that was a thing

thanks i guess

[pliant bone]

it also saves your mouse from dying

[lucid oracle]

This too

[frail mantle]

yea just use omniswing
That gives ALL weapons auto use/cast/fire

[tulip parcel]

Spur
"A relic of the First Cave."
A small blue pistol with a white star on the barrel.
Post-Moonlord Ranged Weapon (consumes bullets)
Dropped by the Reaper Shark after defeating Polterghast.

When fired, Spur fires a large white projectile that does low damage for its point in the game. This is the only one of the weapon's four projectiles that is affected by the unique effects of bullets, all others only inherit the damage.

Holding down the fire button does not cause the weapon to repeatedly fire. Instead, it begins to "charge" the weapon, which plays a quiet electric sound. After charging for a half second, the weapon fires a thin white "beam" that, after reaching a certain length, leaves the gun and functions as a bullet. This "long bullet" is a unique projectile that ignores I-frames and can hit the same target multiple times. Additionally, this "long bullet" pierces all targets.

Charging the weapon for another half second increases the damage of the beam, and causes it to fire two thin beams instead of one, which operate using the same mechanics. Charging the weapon for an additional second massively increases its damage, and additionally causes its hitbox to be enlarged, the beam now bearing the same large size of the weapon's standard "bullet".

Okay so this is a word salad and I know it

so how do I trim this

[spark flax]

hm.

[lucid oracle]

Are you asking us to re-write it for you or to give you tips on how to write better

[tulip parcel]

Aren’t you a rude one

[lucid oracle]

How was that rude?

I didn't realize clarification was rude now.

[tulip parcel]

No I’m asking what I should edit so it’s less wordy

[lucid oracle]

Okay so first, there's what I think are just unecessary quotation marks. You don't need to quote "beam", it's perfectly readable without them.

[spark flax]

Hmmmm.... okay, parts that I think can be shortened:

-Inheriting bullet effects even on the big white bullet seems unwieldy

[tired haven]

You may not say "does not cause this weapon to repeatedly fire" if you say "charge" right after

[spark flax]

Yeah, cutting that out makes sense

[tulip parcel]

Alright

[spark flax]

There's precedent for weapon charging already

i.e. Blaster Cannon

[tulip parcel]

Yeah

[lucid oracle]

Going off that, just a general writing tip. Try to keep out redundant information, or information that can be inferred from what you already have written. "The weapon can be charged" lets you infer that you will not fire again if you hold the button down.

[spark flax]

Maybe shorten the three bullet sections down to dot points, like

"Charging this weapon for different amounts of time changes its weapon properties.

0.5 sec charge time:
1.0 sec charge time:
2.0 sec charge time:

or smthn

[ashen warren]

One thing about charge weapons is that they can be really unsatisfying to use because they don't have autofire
Why not make it that if you release at a sound or something to get the big/double laser and otherwise it will just autofire the stage 1 charge laser

[tulip parcel]

I mean

You know how spur functions right

In its game of origin

A sound...

Hang on

[spark flax]

Mentioning that max charge laser is the same width as phase 1 bullet seems unnecessary

[ashen warren]

I never used spur tbh i always used the fireball and polar star gun merging

[tulip parcel]

Lemme write up another draft

[spark flax]

I've used all three

And in CS you can tell where your charge is at by the EXP bar, so you'd need some way to display the current charge

whether via visual or auditory cues

[ruby cobalt]

Easy enough, make it emit dust.

[tulip parcel]

well see

there's dust but there's alsot eh fact that

you may have forgotten

[ashen warren]

Like the whatsit in alchemistnpc?

[tulip parcel]

but the spur -makes sound- as it charges

[ashen warren]

"pandora"

[ruby cobalt]

Also easy enough.

[tulip parcel]

and it's pretty clear what it means too

[ashen warren]

Have it go higher or something

[tulip parcel]

because it's a low tone, then a medium tone, then a high tone

and then at the final tier it makes a... hango n

[lucid oracle]

"Holding down the fire button causes the weapon to begin charging. The weapon has three charge levels reached at 0.5, 1.0 and 2.0 seconds of charging. At level one it does x. At level two it does y. At level three it does z."

Formatting not included. Format the data how you wish, but it will be a bit more concise.

[ashen warren]

yea sweet

[spark flax]

Yeah, true

[tulip parcel]

okay if you don't care too much about noise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmGmHnTiiWw

this video has enough of the spur being used to really show how it sounds and works

[spark flax]

ye

[ashen warren]

The spur consumes xp?

[tulip parcel]

no

rather, it's the only gun in the game that does this too

[ruby cobalt]

Spur has no concept of EXP.

[tulip parcel]

it uses the XP bar as an indicator for it charging

[ruby cobalt]

It's permalocked to LV1.

[ashen warren]

Ah I see

[tulip parcel]

though you can "charge" it with XP crystals to load up a shot without charging

[ruby cobalt]

Which is extremely inefficient since you just waste XP.

[tulip parcel]

yes

better to use those for the missile launcher

[ashen warren]

Perhaps you could have it make enemies drop something like nebula boosters that increase charge/fire-rate?

On-hit not death

[spark flax]

that seems unnecessary

[ashen warren]

Or death if you want

[tulip parcel]

it charges pretty quickly

[ashen warren]

I find charge weapons in terraria super boring tbh so I'm probably a terrible person to give ideas for them

[tulip parcel]

Would you consider the last prism a charge weapon

I do

[lucid oracle]

Yes

Not a traditional one but yes

[ashen warren]

Yea but it's different enough to be fun to me

I like kamehameha'ing enemies

[tulip parcel]

then you’ll like my donator item okay I’m going to probably include the video above as part of the post to show how it should roughly look and sound

Unless someone can find me a better one

[ashen warren]

You could make one

[tulip parcel]

I don’t have anything to capture it with

[ashen warren]

I hear obs is useful

It makes my shitty laptop lag though

[tulip parcel]

yeahhh, I have experience with OBS though i don't have it installed on my computer

I also don't have cave story on my computer right now either

[ashen warren]

It's like a few megabytes

[tulip parcel]

I know but I'd have to play through the whole game to get the spur

[ruby cobalt]

What, you're getting a patreon item in?

[earnest raptor]

Ok, if you talk about Spur, i'm present my variant, was 13 days old.

Prismatic Gun
Last Prism upgrade
Uses 20 mana per second
Hold left click to charge gun, and release to unleash deadly laser, was pierces, if you charge long.
What damage? If you just spam with left click, these deal around 100 damage with 15 speed.
On first 5 secs Gun recieve 75 damage and one target piercing per second, than, if you charge weapon 5 secs, this shoot laser with 475 damage and five target piercing.
Very weak?
On 5 to 12 seconds, Prismatic Gun recieve 200 damage and 5 target piercing per second. Then, if you charge weapon 12 secs, then deal 1675 damage and pierce 36 times, was look nicely.
On final stage of charging, up to 20 seconds (on 21 sec weapon stops charging and stays on max), Gun recieve 600 damage per second and 10 piercing. And then you release left click, your laser deal 6475 damage, pierce around 116 monsters and bosses.

Craft: Last Prism + 20 Bars of Life + 10 Core of Calamity @ Ancient Manipulator

[tulip parcel]

yes I am drh

[ashen warren]

On your suggestion trashbox, grenades are boring

[ruby cobalt]

DM it to me

[earnest raptor]

What's need to change?

@ashen warren it has Damage

Damage from capitalised char.

[ashen warren]

"but I'd have to play through the whole game to get the spur" oh no i have to play a good game how saaaad

[tulip parcel]

no spoilers

I gotta rewrite my suggestion anyway

[spark flax]

the crafting recipe, assuming the grenades are consumable, is Oof

[earnest raptor]

Balance.

[spark flax]

also i'm tempted to become a patron and put in a patron item as well

[tulip parcel]

I found a -MUCH- better video

to show my idea

https://youtu.be/DEpZFJHFD5o?t=144

[spark flax]

but i have so many fucking good suggestions i've made so it's a hard decision

i'd either go with Profaned Halo or Rod of Accord tho tbh

[ashen warren]

shockstorm armor please

[tulip parcel]

profaned halo

[earnest raptor]

profaned hallow knight

[frail mantle]

What were those again

[spark flax]

hang on i'll find them

[tulip parcel]

Profaned Halo was "zamasu accessory"

for summoners

[spark flax]

it was actually based off the Add-Ons

from OFF

[tulip parcel]

yeah I know

[ashen warren]

From:Lilith Saintclaire in:#suggestions-voting in search bar

[spark flax]

the picture of zamasu someone posted just made me realise it

[tulip parcel]

but you got the idea from me sending you a pic of zamasu's halo so

🔫

yeah that was me

[spark flax]

anyways i could repost those suggestions here so you can see it @frail mantle

but it would be a lot of text

so if you want to see them and don't want to scroll through from: Lilith Saintclaire in: Suggestions i can just DM you them

[ashen warren]

just do what i said smh

[spark flax]

yeah just do what sequence said tbh

[earnest raptor]

Prismatic Gun
Last Prism counterpart
Uses 12 mana per second
Hold left click to charge gun, and release to unleash deadly laser, was pierces, if you charge long.
What damage? If you just spam with left click, these deal around 100 damage with 15 speed.
On first 2.5 secs Gun recieve 75 damage and one target piercing per second, than, if you charge weapon 2.5 secs, this shoot laser with 475 damage and five target piercing.
Very weak?
On 2.5 to 6 seconds, Prismatic Gun recieve 200 damage and 5 target piercing per second. Then, if you charge weapon 6 secs, then deal 1675 damage and pierce 36 times, was look nicely.
On final stage of charging, up to 10 seconds (on 11 sec laser instantly releases), Gun recieve 600 damage per second and 10 piercing. And then you release left click, your laser deal 6475 damage, pierce around 116 monsters and bosses.

Post-Prov: base damage increased to 200.
Post-DoG: charging take 3x less time.

Craft: Last Prism + 8 Bars of Life @ Ancient Manipulator

Okay, i'm add bonuses.

[ashen warren]

star all her suggestions while you're at it

[spark flax]

i mean, i wouldn't be opposed to that

boby the devs dont much like having exact damage stats

[earnest raptor]

6400 damage as enough damage for oneshoting most enemies on weapon stage.

[spark flax]

plus people might not have damage numbers memorised (i sure don't) so they won't realise that it's meant to be "starts off being weaker than Last Prism but charge it for long enough and it gets S T R O N K"

[earnest raptor]

Only Paladin and Profaned Enemies can survive charged Prismatic Gun's proj.

[ashen warren]

Honestly a 20 second charge time on a weapon is terrible

20 bars of life is also a bit much

[ruby cobalt]

Nobody said it had to be good

[ashen warren]

heh

I meant for fun

[ruby cobalt]

I mean, bars of life post-ML?

Ravager kind of exists.

Putting an "upgrade" of a weapon right on the tier where you get the original? Bad practice.

[ashen warren]

whoops forgot 'bout that

[ruby cobalt]

Yea, yea, Galactus exists.

Still.

[earnest raptor]

Edited.

[tulip parcel]

Spur
"A relic of the First Cave."
A small blue pistol with a white star on the barrel.
Post-Moonlord Ranged Weapon (consumes bullets)
Dropped by the Reaper Shark after defeating Polterghast.

A charging weapon in the vein of the Charged Blaster Cannon, but with different mechanics.

Tapping the fire button fires a large white square that does minor damage. It would be roughly the size of two by two blocks, and moves at the speed of other bullets.
Holding the fire button for 0.4 seconds fires a small, white, slow beam that does minor damage, but ignores I-frames.
Holding the fire button for 1.0 seconds fires two of these beams, doubling the damage of the previous tier.
Holding the fire button for 3.0 seconds fires a beam the size of the "uncharged" projectile, dealing massive damage and still ignoring I-frames.

This weapon would do two things for the player to identify it as charging, and to show its current charge state; A series of constant tones while charging, and a visual effect; I suggest that the barrel of the gun emits greater amounts of light as it charges. As for the sound, the attached video shows what the charging might sound like, as well as quite clearly showing the mechanics of this gun.
(Note: The firing is inaccurate sound for some reason, but the charging is completely accurate. I'm not sure why. Bad capture? This is not my video.)
https://youtu.be/DEpZFJHFD5o?t=144

[spark flax]

charge time more reasonable now but imo make it also cost Unholy Essence or something so you can't get it immediately after moonboi

[ruby cobalt]

Could probably remove the whole "consumes bullets" part.

[spark flax]

also spur looks good

yeah, there's precedent for mana-less ranged weapons

[tulip parcel]

okay then I'll change that to "does not consume ammo"

[spark flax]

(see: Speed Blaster and upgrades, which i am very excited to use in my next ranged-only playthrough)

anyways yeah i like it

[tulip parcel]

the fun thing is, those charging times are 100% accurate to the game too

[ashen warren]

I actually quite like that tbh i just said i don't like charge weapons i'm going against my own principles

[tulip parcel]

that progression

[earnest raptor]

Prismatic Gun
Laser magic weapon not spur
Uses 20 mana per second, 10 mana per common shoot
Hold the left click to charge gun, and release to unleash deadly laser, was pierces, if you charge a long.
What damage? If you just spam with left click, these deal around 100 damage with 15 speed.
Up to 10 secs Gun recieve 700 damage and five target piercing per second, than, if you charge weapon 10 secs, this shoot a laser with 7100 damage and 100 target piercing.

Craft: 15 Luminite Bar @ Ancient Manipulator

It's good?

[ashen warren]

Imma be frank with you trashbox, Your suggestions would be a lot better if you improved your wording in english

It's holding you back

[tulip parcel]

now we just gotta wait for a cool dude to star it

yee

[spark flax]

also, boby

about to post something here for you

[ashen warren]

@granite terrace More. Specific.

[tulip parcel]

fuck I like, forgot to add the "does not consume ammo" addendum before posting

why do I do things

[heady comet]

Smh all these unworthy suggestions blocking ben shapiros godly suggestion

[ashen warren]

"Revert the 1.4.002 nerfs back to 1.4.001"?

Already starred it tbh

[spark flax]

hey, bobylev

have this

Prismatic Gun
Fires a lifeform disintegration ray... eventually

What It Does: Magic weapon, consumes 20 mana per second. Begins as a tiny laser with low reach and damage, not even as strong as the Last Prism, but damage steadily increases as the mouse is held down, represented by the beam becoming larger and more brilliant in coloration. At the max charge point (10+ seconds), the beam has infinite piercing, the same partial i-frame bypassing effect that the Last Prism had, and damage high enough to one-shot most regular enemies and make nohit rules sad, probably

How It's Made: Last Prism + 5 Bars of Life + 5 Unholy Essence @ Ancient Manipulator

[tulip parcel]

starred it apple

[spark flax]

you're welcome!

[heady comet]

👍

[ruby cobalt]

Reverting 1.4.002 nerfs back, mage sucks dicks again

👌

[tulip parcel]

waitnofuck

[spark flax]

every class sucks forever

👌

[tulip parcel]

this isn't wow

we can't make every class ass

[ruby cobalt]

From what we know already it's bloodflare armor having the big gay again.

[spark flax]

you're all cowards who refuse to choose the best weapon type:

T R U E M E L E E

[ruby cobalt]

It was nerfed to firing off explosions every 2 seconds but with increased damage, and apparently damage increase isn't high enough.

[earnest raptor]

@spark flax yeah, tranks.

[tulip parcel]

c o p p e r s h o r t s w o r d l o r d

anyway

[ashen warren]

Honestly, true melee is super fun it's just that they need more weapons :<

[tulip parcel]

bobylev yeah I like your suggestion

lilith's rewrite really conveys it better

being ESL does hinder your ability to get ideas across, but they're good ideas

[spark flax]

mhm! that's why i figured i'd help out ❤

[ashen warren]

"hinder your ability to get ideas across, but they're good ideas" my thoughts exactly

[spark flax]

also motherfucking coldheart icicle looks good as hell and it's making me want to do another true melee playthrough

[ashen warren]

Hi pinkie

[earnest raptor]

Icicle very bad.

[ruby cobalt]

1 + 2% max HP is extremely bad, I agree.

[earnest raptor]

Only 4 damage to mummy, what?

[spark flax]

oof

but like

[quiet abyss]

Right...just notice smth
"Last Prism + 5 Bars of Life + 5 Unholy Essence @ Ancient Manipulator"
That means the upgrade to last prism is...
....literally at the same tier as the last prism
Since last prism is ml drop, and unholy essence is post-ml

[spark flax]

for bosses, tho

[tulip parcel]

oh yeah

that is true

[spark flax]

oh, good point
maybe add Divine Geodes

i thought unholy essence would be enough oof, sorry boby

[earnest raptor]

@quiet abyss prismatic gun is more counterpart, that upgrade.

[ashen warren]

Just swap unholy with geode?

[spark flax]

yeah, sequence has the good idea

[quiet abyss]

Counterpart eh? So it's not technically better?

[tulip parcel]

either geode or uelibloom

[ashen warren]

~~add a counterpart to last prism for every weapon ~~

[quiet abyss]

Might wanna note that this is a counterpart rather than a direct upgrade
Or people seeing the recipe will come and say the same thing I do

[tulip parcel]

last shortsword

[spark flax]

just let first prism get in please

boby upgraded the crafting recipe, we're all gucci

[tulip parcel]

lilith are you gonna go on patreon to put an item in?

[spark flax]

oh you fucking KNOW it

but not yet

in a few months

i gotta see if any of my suggestions will get in of their own accord first >:3c

[earnest raptor]

@quiet abyss added a warning

[spark flax]

but yeah once i do it'll either be the Rod of Accord to give True Melee a buff or Profaned Halo to make Summoner more interactive

[ashen warren]

Change "Warning:" to "Note:"

Flows better

[quiet abyss]

👍

[ashen warren]

Also change "Tranks" to "Thanks"

[tulip parcel]

trank you

[ashen warren]

Then all is well

Train you?

[tulip parcel]

no don't do that

[earnest raptor]

Yep, changed.

[spark flax]

woot! suggestion looking good ovo grats bobylev, happy i could help~

anyways
i know like. ten different people have written their own versions of one in the past, but

...i should write a Crystalline upgrade.

[ashen warren]

If someone uses their patron item to add a crystalline upgrade I'll devote an entire 2 seconds to thanking them

Maybe even 3

[spark flax]

okay so

it's hard to make a crystalline upgrade that keeps to the spirit of the original without being exactly the same but [more knives/more damage/does status]

but

Chronolline
The pulse of time itself resonates within the hilt

Appearance: Crystalline, but with a more elaborate design - the hilt now has a notable Forbidden/Ancient-esque design, and the blade is partially mechanical, with wires visible running through it.

What It Does: Throws out a blade similar to the original Crystalline that emits four copies of itself after a certain amount of flight time (if it hits an enemy, these blades are emitted on the spot). The blades fly out, unaffected by gravity and passing through blocks, up to a certain distance, then turn and retrace their path back to the split point, contacting each other and exploding. The central blade does not pierce enemies, but the split blades do.

How It's Made: Crystalline + 1 Forbidden Fragment + 10 Martian Conduit Plating @ Hardmode Anvil (note: this replaces Crystalline in the recipe for Celestus. note 2: conduit plating is available early hardmode from the Shockstorm Shuttle enemy)

Why It Should Be Added: Throwing has a hard time early hardmode and deserves more viable options. Also the Crystalline is a cool weapon and I don't think I know a single person here on this server that doesn't want an upgrade to it.

thoughts?

[earnest raptor]

🤔

I'm suggest change work.

Instead of one blade, was emits clones, throw a four small blades.

[spark flax]

hm. i'll think on it

i just like the idea of a crystalline emitting blades that then rewind to where they were spawned

even though it's probably silly

[ashen warren]

Tbh i really like that idea

Throw a clock strapped to a sharpened diamond at your enemies

Nothing will go wrong

[spark flax]

i mean, if you squint real hard the crystalline kinda looks like a clock hand right

[tulip parcel]

Why not

Chronalline

or maybe Chronolline

[spark flax]

oh yeah good point that sounds better

[ashen warren]

"Chronolline"

[frail mantle]

A hand of time

[earnest raptor]

Chronoblade

[gritty kiln]

If it requires Divine Geode it should probably just be an objective upgrade, it's at the point where you'd be looking for one

[tulip parcel]

Gemstone Crawlord
Hardmode Rare Mob

A massive gem crawler, roughly the size of a golem head. If stuck, or the player is behind blocks, it moves towards the player through any blocks. Spits crystals which splinter on impact for splash damage.

Drops high amounts of every "gem" on death.

How does this look?

[worthy fiber]

I think it would be better pre-hardmode

Since there's the Earth Elemental anyway

[tulip parcel]

should it stop spawning after the player enters hardmode, like the wulfrum squad?

do the other crawlers stop spawning in hardmode?

[worthy fiber]

They don't iirc

[tulip parcel]

just checked, they don't

[low hedge]

like the giant crystal lizaeds in dark souls

[hollow shell]

@tame heath Primordial Ancient

[tame heath]

Oof

[ruby cobalt]

Is this a fucking low effort suggestion.

[tame heath]

I think I typed something for nothing

[hollow shell]

Nah its not that bad, Agent

[tame heath]

K

[ruby cobalt]

It looks like one to me, honestly.

[tame heath]

But I would think not liquidy projectiles that look like dirt but the way actual dirt looks

Like the ice rod but with dirt

And the spread might be really far apart

[tulip parcel]

... eh. it does seem kind of lazy to me. But more than that it seems kinda memey because "dirt"

it's like something you'd see in joost

[ruby cobalt]

buffing a nohitter's weapon

which intentionally included that aspect as a feature

[teal shoal]

just buff all the op weapons

and leave useless ones alone in the abyss of rip tier

[marsh gust]

oi you uh.. why dont buff apoth in the mean time? and vivid clarity as well while ur at it

[alpine garnet]

drat buff omegalul

[teal shoal]

we shoul also buff the halibut dont you think

100 damage base should be fine

[ruby cobalt]

Yeah, and stormbow

[frail mantle]

And the Storm as well

[tulip parcel]

news flash: all non-meta weapons have been dropped into the abyss and are evolving into enemies

[teal shoal]

[tulip parcel]

the coppershortshark is proving to be considerably dangerous

[teal shoal]

coppershortfish could be better tbh[aka swordfish]

[frail mantle]

Don’t forget the evisceratrout

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren above

(smh you guys, you gotta ping em or they won't see)

[ruby cobalt]

They wouldn't see it anyways.

#suggestions-discussion is a myth, just like 75% of things posted in #suggestions-voting being good.

Okay, it's a hyperbole, but you see what I'm pointing at.

[tulip parcel]

yeah all of my suggestions are garbage

and I never use this channel

[ruby cobalt]

Yeah, who are you anyways?

But seriously, some of those suggestions are just pure mute material.

[worthy fiber]

People just want stuff to happen in the mod without thinking about it

It always wastes time in the end

[tame heath]

Why when I do another Chanel the one I was looking a disappears

[low hedge]

you might have accidentally closed the channel tabs

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frail mantle]

Ya know how Auric Tesla Armor is just all post- moon lord armors combined?

[tired haven]

No, tell me more about that

[teal shoal]

yea ^

[frail mantle]

What if we had a hardmode Armor that worked similarly?

Like, it could be made with bars of life and give a sort of life steal effect to weapons of your class

[low hedge]

hm

[frail mantle]

[low hedge]

would be tricky

due to each ore armor having two variations

cobalt and pend

mythril and orich

[frail mantle]

No I mean the Calamity armors

[low hedge]

ah

how many are there even

[frail mantle]

3

[ruby cobalt]

Daedalus, Reaver, Ataxia.

[frail mantle]

One moment let me think about this for a bit

[low hedge]

you can give it a shot i suppose

[lost agate]

How about suggesting something that can let you know when provi is gonna lazer you?
Like having the crystal absorb some sort of light or dust or whatever before shooting
This could be neat to have since provi now lasers you while moving

[bitter flower]

isnt there a sound cue

[lost agate]

But when shes already shooting

Or you mean before that?

[heady comet]

[bitter flower]

i hope you mean him and not me

[lost agate]

Well, shit if theres an audio cue i couldnt hear it because music and constant provi hitting

Which is not a subtle sound

[bitter flower]

either im correct, or its just the illusion that theres a sound from provi stopping

[lost agate]

Provi doesnt stop now

[tulip parcel]

providence dabs just before firing

[tired haven]

She does slow down a lot

Should be just readable

[bitter flower]

i havent updated yet btw

[radiant meadow]

Better than pre nerf

[earnest raptor]

Neo Rifle
Summon weapon, post-golem.
30 summon damage
Speed - 12.
Shoots cyber beam, like Laser Rifle.. But it's not end.
Successful strike with 1% chance (+1.5% at each minion slot) summon Spirit of Neo, was spin around owner, shoot additional beam on using Rifle and persists only 5 seconds. Cap - 7 spirits around player.

Craft: 20 Spectre Bars + 3 Bar of Life + Core of Calamity @ Mythril Anvil

Ok, very old suggestion.

What's a change?

[radiant meadow]

Maybe spectre bars

Instead of ectoplasm and adamantite

[frail mantle]

Lihzardian Energy Armor
They might not have been very friendly, but the Lihzards knew how to make armor.
Lihzardian Energy Helmet /Mask/Faceplate/Visor/Hood
Gives the set bonus of the Daedalus, Reaver and Ataxia Armor for the respective class, i.e. the summoner helmet variant summons the Daedalus crystal, the Reaver orb and the Chaos spirit.
Crafted with the helmet variants for your class, 5 bars of life, 10 Solar tablet fragments and 1 core of Calamity at a Lihzardian altar.
Lihzardian core
Gives you each chest plate effect of the Daedalus, Reaver and Ataxia Armor.
Crafted at a Lihzardian altar with the Daedalus, Reaver and Ataxia chestplates, 7 bars of life, 20 Solar Tablet Fragments, a Lihzardian Power Cell and 3 cores of Calamity.
Lihzardian Leggings
Gives you each of the leggings effects of the Daedalus, Reaver and Ataxia leggings.
Crafted at a Lihzardian altar with 6 bars of life, 15 Solar Tablet Fragments, the Daedalus, Reaver and Ataxia leggings and 2 cores of Calamity.
: I really love the Auric Tesla Armor, and would love to see something similar in Hardmode. Also, it gives you reason to stay in the Jungle Temple for a bit after absolutely demolishing Golem.

[ruby cobalt]

So, how would you like your ass reamed?

Starting from balancing this mess, or starting from the recipe?

[hollow shell]

Souls are probably unecessary, and could replace the "each essence"s with Cores of Calamity

[frail mantle]

Yea, I put it here first to discuss improving the idea.

[hollow shell]

Each of its constituents' effects definitely would need to be nerfed pretty hard so as to not be super overpowered for its tier

[earnest raptor]

By 40%.

[hollow shell]

Well, I was thinking more effects-wise

Less projectiles and stuff

[violet tusk]

instead of jsut using bars of life, souls and essence, and the rest of the stuff I think it should require the three different armors as well

just like the original auric tesla set

[radiant meadow]

Maybe as a replacement fot Xeroc

[hollow shell]

Oh, I didnt even notice they werent included

[violet tusk]

[hollow shell]

Wait no theyre just not included for the leggings

[ruby cobalt]

You're combining this.

[hollow shell]

Chest and Helmet have the armors

[ruby cobalt]

Into one armor set. That isn't even remotely hard to craft.

[hollow shell]

Well I mean

[radiant meadow]

Melee will have chaos flares

[hollow shell]

(that screenshot doesnt even include the non-helmet set bonuses)

[ruby cobalt]

It doesn't for Daedalus. (which is just Cursed immunity and permanent grav potion, so it's kind of irrelevant in the grand scheme of this thing being absolutely broken)

[tulip parcel]

that's uh

that's

let's not

[hollow shell]

I can see it working.

[ashen warren]

Ream my ass

[earnest raptor]

What should i a change?

[worthy fiber]

1% chance seems pretty low

[earnest raptor]

It's scales by minion slots.

Then, if you have 6 minons, spirits spawn with 10% chance.

Was very high.

[worthy fiber]

Oh, I see

[low hedge]

yeah that's fair

[round falcon]

@umbral dune since it's already post-King Slime, make the chestplate require royal gel

[hollow shell]

That would make it expert-exclusive

[umbral dune]

there ya go

enjoy, not exactly as you wanted but like it works

(because then it would be expert exclusive)

[ruby cobalt]

Something something, armageddon.

[hollow shell]

So is the only difference between the helmets visual?

[umbral dune]

no

crown has 2 more defense and gives royal gel effect

[ruby cobalt]

+2 defense, gives you royal gel, that's it.

[hollow shell]

Helmet also has Royal Gel effect

[umbral dune]

changed that

oh wait sorry

I just changed it

[hollow shell]

you didnt thou

lol

Aight cool

[tulip parcel]

Question

Is Spur way too copy-paste

The suggestion

[ruby cobalt]

Nah.

[tulip parcel]

It’s just got me a little concerned is all, maybe I’m worrying about nothing

[heady comet]

Can we put a checkmark on my main man ben shapiro

[quasi fable]

what

[hollow shell]

Gimme like 45 minutes
and I'll do that

[ruby cobalt]

@void river already nerfed.

Or, was it?

[austere orchid]

Check.

I can’t remember myself.

[void river]

I mean, unless the rate of the mage flames spawning was greatly decreased

[ruby cobalt]

It has a cooldown of 2 seconds.

[void river]

Because we all know by now that at that point of thw game, you tend to land a lot of hjts in a rapid amount of time

[austere orchid]

and lag.

generally with insane weapons, but yea you do tend to land a lot.

[void river]

Especially lag

[austere orchid]

sweating

[radiant meadow]

I only get flames when getting hurt

They don't even show up from attacks

[low hedge]

i think that's more of a code thing

would need to tweak vanilla code, then it'd work for even normal dummies

[night cradle]

Oh nice, I like that suggestion about Astragel Armor.

[lost agate]

Jelly bean is still there, just saying

[dusty locust]

anyone think that there should be an upgrade to the architect gizmo pack? i want blocks to place as fast as i can run mannn

even with builders potion it isnt enough

[livid coral]

Oh shit I forgot about adding that to rules and info. DAAAANNY??

[hollow shell]

@candid dove DAAAANNY??

[lost agate]

Uuh what?

[sleek wigeon]

@dusty locust there is one in luiafk

Its called home improvement.

[dusty locust]

thanks

what do you guys think if yharons crystal, instead of just pooting out a single tnt, instead it just spews a stream of dynamite while you "arent worthy"?

would that be a good suggestion?

[hollow shell]

I very much approve of GucciPoochie's idea, and I think that's actually easily done in practice
I think the main problem will be getting the tooltip to display both damage types, and also balancing by preventing the combining effects of melee and throwing accessories

Like, having both EleGauntlet and Nanotech effects apply to one weapon sounds like it'd be OP

also, stream of dynamite?

[sleek wigeon]

Honeslty

It should fire the laser on you

Like a backfire sorta deal

[dusty locust]

like, it spits tnt at the same rate as last prism attacks. just like, shit that dynamite out yknow?

[hollow shell]

Jesus

[sleek wigeon]

If you want to destroy so much just use fucking mortar rounds

[dusty locust]

what are mortar rounds

[sleek wigeon]

Explosive bullets

[hollow shell]

You already can't use the crystal before you're supposed to
Why completely destroy somebody's world who doesn't know that?

[dusty locust]

i didnt know mortar rounds existed

know i can just use p90 thanks

my suggestion is bad, funny, but bad. thanks for feedback.

[brazen crow]

I honestly just like my idea because it’d make it a bit easier to craft. But if it’s too much to a single item in two classes, then keep them as separate items, but just allow you to craft the one of the other class using just the original weapon.

[quaint marsh]

Uh possible free reforges is the problem here.