suggestions-discussion

[hollow shell]

Hmmmmm

I mean, several other mods add ore/bar-selling NPCs

Maybe we could come up with a different way

aside from fishing crates

because fishing is worse than mining

[tulip parcel]

okay

[cyan lagoon]

But of course, we shouldn't really base suggestions off other mods

Unless its clear plagiarism or they are way too simila

[tulip parcel]

how about this

"universe in a box" and "universe in a bag"

or something along that line

basically the first iteration would be crafted with... say, 20 mithril

the second iteration would be crafted with 20 luminite

roughly speaking'

both are pieces of furniture

when used, the first iteration spawns five bars each of copper/iron/silver/gold, then takes a day to recharge

the second iteration would be cobalt/mythril/adamantite, and have the same timer

[sleek wadi]

How would you work around Cosmolight though

[tulip parcel]

wouldn't affect it

same way that spamming cosmolight doesn't trigger events

[hollow shell]

I feel like that's a bit too slow and unreliable

but

I like the thought

s'a neat idea

[tulip parcel]

oh

how about this then

instead of "universe in a box"

make it a gachapon machine

[hollow shell]

Oh fuck yes

[heady comet]

How does that change anything ;-;

[tulip parcel]

PUTTING IT TO PEN NOW

what should it be named

[hollow shell]

You get way too much money especially in Rev

gamble it away

[tulip parcel]

"Happy Lucky Ore Lottery?"

[spark flax]

happy lucky lottery is a scam, name it the Cashstractinator

[hollow shell]

That makes it seem like you receive cash

[spark flax]

...good point

[tulip parcel]

I mean

this IS a scam

so it should be named after another scam

[spark flax]

yeah, that's valid

[sleek wadi]

Instead of scamming you out of money it scams you out of inventory slots

[thorn canyon]

Like that wulfrum technomancer thing, however you forget that a lot of people either go straight to titanium from crates or grab stuff like spider armor. Still is a good idea i just dont see many people using it

[spark flax]

yup

also I HOPE Y'ALL ARE READY FOR ANOTHER LONG ARMOR TEXTDUMP

Infected Armor
The plague courses through your veins
(note: all equipment crafted at either a Hardmode Anvil or an Ancient Manipulator, idk)

Infected Gas Mask: 10 defense, 50% chance to not consume ammo, all thrown weapons inflict the Plague
Crafted with: 5 Plague Cell Canisters, 10 Chlorophyte Bars, 1 Core of Calamity

Infected Hazmat Suit: 20 defense, -50 max life, slightly decreased life regen, 30% increased throwing damage
Crafted with: 10 Plague Cell Canisters, 20 Chlorophyte Bars, 2 Cores of Calamity

Infected Boots: 13 defense, increased jump height and jump speed, 15% increase thrown critical hit rate
Crafted with: 7 Plague Cell Canisters, 16 Chlorophyte Bars, 2 Cores of Calamity

SET BONUS:
10% additional throwing damage
Immunity to the Plague
Landing critical hits on enemies creates Plague Boils on them that act like the Lionfish projectiles and deal damage over time
After some time, Plague Boils explode and deal damage and Plague to any nearby enemies
After every twentieth throwing critical hit, the player gets the Plague Surge buff for a few seconds, which rapidly heals them and deals damage over time akin to the Plague Hive but with a much larger effect radius
This effect can only trigger once every 20 seconds

Why it should be added: Thrown suffers both early hardmode and near the end of hardmode, with few useful tools to help them through it and no lunar set for them, so a late hardmode armor set fits well. In addition, each other class has a "life"-themed late hardmode equipment set: Turtle/Beetle, Shroomite, Specter, and Tiki/Spooky for the four respective classes, and save the Summon ones all of these are made with Chlorophyte. As such, a chlorophyte/jungle-themed thrown armor set would fit nicely, and the obvious choice is for a Plague-themed set. The set itself is high risk, high reward, with lower health and regen but the potential for large damage.

[heady comet]

Tbh should have titanium in there too for the chlorophyte-titanium alloy in the lore

[spark flax]

o yeah good point

[uncut jetty]

the proposed set is post cultist though, which seems a bit off compared to the other armors you're comparing it to

it makes sense given all the plaguebringer stuff is post cultist

but seems off somehow

[spark flax]

ye i was debating whether to make it craftable at hardmode anvil or at manipulator

my reasoning rn is that the Plague Hive is manipulator-crafted as well, but i'd be willing to change it

might say "either at a Hardmode Anvil or Manipulator" so the devs can decide for themselves if it gets in

[tulip parcel]

I kinda want to discuss the uelibloom gacha

[uncut jetty]

i mean, plague hive at manipulator makes no sense to me either

[tulip parcel]

like... what -should- pods that cost 1 plat drop

[spark flax]

Uelibloom, Ruinous Souls, Bloodstone, Cores of Calamity etc.

[uncut jetty]

make the numbers really low

it has to be a deliberate rip off

easier than boss fighting but still a rip off

[tulip parcel]

you know what'd be funny

if instead of crafting the initial gacha

it was a common drop from the wall of flesh

the gacha from hell

[spark flax]

see it's a metaphor because gambling is bad mmkay kids

[tulip parcel]

one other thought I had was to deliberately style it similar to another pixellated gachapon machine

like, in terms of just -how it looks-

[spark flax]

[Flashbacks intensify]

[tulip parcel]

Of course there's the upgraded version

maybe it's off topic but I put soooo much money into these damn things

young me, why did you waste your allowance so

[hollow shell]

haha never fell for that cuz I had no money 😎

[tulip parcel]

absolute unit

[sinful violet]

genius

how does he do it

[uncut jetty]

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[sinful violet]

mm

anime

[lost agate]

Totally on topic smh

Oh wait

It kinda is

But still

[tulip parcel]

I guess it's part of the discussion?

sort of? i dunno

either way, it could probably ape the code that chests use to "unlock"

only instead of opening to reveal something useful, you just get a lousy lump of copper

[outer marten]

frickin

rasengan

[spark flax]

'This would be a reference to popular anime, Naruto,'

this is so funny to me for some reason

but tbh this is a neat idea, i always did like charged magic weapons (see: medusa's head), and being sort-of-close-range is cool as well

[tulip parcel]

if you wanna be technical

boruto is probably more popular now

[spark flax]

boruto seems like such an unnecessary existence

like Why Was This Made

[tulip parcel]

To Make Money

[spark flax]

ick, capitalism

[outer marten]

Boruto is fine

[spark flax]

@granite terrace Astral rework is currently in progress, save any suggestions re. astrageldon until that's out

[granite terrace]

what why

[marsh gust]

cause he pinged fab in #calamity-mod-talk about it and told off to put it in suggestions

[granite terrace]

yeah lol

forgot #suggestions-voting was a thing

[spark flax]

o

[ashen warren]

It should be obvious but it's because we don't know what's in the rework

[granite terrace]

yeah exactly so if he likes it and it isn't in the rework, now it is in the rework?

[spark flax]

ye, plus astra is being completely reworked into a new boss

[ashen warren]

if the suggestion is already implemented then there's no harm done, if it isn't, then it opens a discussion and also no harm done by that

i don't really get either of your points

Also pinging fab sounds like a fast-track lane to nopeland

it is

[granite terrace]

I don't get it sure if everyone pings him it gets annoying but its just 1 simple ping about a simple suggestion

[opal barn]

Fab only hates meme pings. He doesn't mind normal pings

[ashen warren]

It's eh

[granite terrace]

exactly

[ashen warren]

I'd wait until update is out

but if it's a suggestion when there's already a suggestion channel for it

he could see it as pointless/annoying

[granite terrace]

told you I forgot

[lunar berry]

N A R U T O R U N

@wicked swift didn’t someone else suggest that earlier

[spark flax]

Ye

[wicked swift]

o

[marsh gust]

delet xd

[wicked swift]

post other one in #suggestions-voting

[ashen warren]

Why does a hook need to be added other than "calamity doesn't have it"?

[wicked swift]

o

[ruby cobalt]

@rich wagon elaborate

[quiet abyss]

Be more specific

[hollow wedge]

@ Pyromancer 2.0#7045 i think ur suggestion isnt spe-
yea

[rich wagon]

sorry, its my first suggestion

[frosty kindle]

perhaps state a reason why you would want them to be added?

[rich wagon]

so describe what I mean?

yeah

ok

[frosty kindle]

even if it's an opinion, it would count

[spark flax]

we dont really like references for references sake here, or at least not without a unique concept or for good reasons

[hollow wedge]

also maybe describe it here first, get everyones opinion, then post it there

[frosty kindle]

well i do like references....

[ruby cobalt]

Because as of now you're standing on the line that separates a warn from the lack of it.

[hollow wedge]

p90 is a dang reference, they should have the tool tip saying "rush b"

[rich wagon]

( ._.) should I just delete it

[frosty kindle]

P90 is a weapon, not a reference to a meme smh

[hollow wedge]

whatever you think is best

[ruby cobalt]

If you can't come up with something on the spot - yea, come back when you got more refined ideas.

[hollow wedge]

ye but cause cs

and i played more cs over terraria

[frosty kindle]

big CS meme is the terrible anticheat

[hollow wedge]

its more like a reference to me

[rich wagon]

p90 is a weapon

[hollow wedge]

[rich wagon]

but

[hollow wedge]

VAC

[rich wagon]

ig perspective could place it as a refernce

[hollow wedge]

more like, VACation tbh

[rich wagon]

latte u changed ur pfp

[mindblown]

[hollow wedge]

get VACced = rest from toxicity

nah i switched accounts

[rich wagon]

VACcine

oh

[still mindblown]

[hollow wedge]

so.. the only reference weap in game as of now is soma prime?

[ashen warren]

halibut cannon is another

[ruby cobalt]

Conclave, but only in code.

[hollow wedge]

hm

[rich wagon]

there are multiple references but

not all of them are direct references

disseminator is also refernce

but again, only in the code

[hollow wedge]

god damn do i need to read the wiki more

[rich wagon]

murasama

[frosty kindle]

@ruby cobalt pretty sure the Omniblade was a reference too, although to another mod.

yeah murasama, MGR

[rich wagon]

hyperius bullets

[ruby cobalt]

Greatsword of Blah is a reference too.

[rich wagon]

( ._.) now I'm just reading off the wiki

[spark flax]

ye

i guess its more like ref weapons are fine when they're well thought out n stuff but ppl throwing out random refs to their favorite works without any thought put in is :/

at least thats my understanding

[rich wagon]

Undine's retribution

[ruby cobalt]

So ye, we have plenty of referenced things. Don't just make suggestions that are like "wah make this so we hab a refrnaeec"

[spark flax]

Draedon's Heart is a mgr ref too

[hollow wedge]

an alternative to the wooden bow with minecraft texture

[rich wagon]

[frosty kindle]

please can't

[hollow wedge]

scratch that

I'm just joking xd

[ashen warren]

The entire mod kinda is a metal gear reference

[rich wagon]

-_-

[hollow wedge]

yea

[spark flax]

and we'll fight when the sun comes up, with o-

[Immediately vaporised by daytime skele prime]

[rich wagon]

dang I found 8 references to Metal Gear in the wiki

6 references to Borderlands/Borderlands 2

2 references to Undertale

[spark flax]

Fun Fact: i'm actually just a living borderlands ref

[rich wagon]

ok I should probably not say this here

ok nice

[hollow wedge]

i dont play BL2 alot okay

[spark flax]

anyways ye we've gotten off topic so im gonna stop the talking now

[wicked swift]

@lyric radish Silence before the storms is just kind of an intermission for when you're listening to the playlist, it's not supposed to be in-game

[worthy fiber]

It doesn't mean it can't be implemented

The Title theme was also made for fun, then Fab wanted to implement it

Also, uh

The interlude song is meant for after Calamitas

[wicked swift]

o

[sleek wigeon]

Whats 3 more mbs ontop of the already 100+ mbs spent on music

[worthy fiber]

If filesize wasn't a problem, sure maybe it would be considered

[marsh gust]

yea its just 25,165,824 more bits

[sleek wigeon]

Reminder that over 80% of the mod's file size is music

[cyan lagoon]

It is not supposed to be played ingame as said by Dokuro

Its just a depicted theme that would "play" after Calamitas döppelganer's defeat

[wicked swift]

^

[ashen warren]

Could you just make an unkillable invisible boss just hover around the player with it's own theme for a certain amount of time? Or would something like that be impossible?

[tulip parcel]

If that theme ever did play

I dunno

[fierce iris]

@lyric radish i would make it also play after defeating moonlord

[tired haven]

How bout after scal

[ashen warren]

seems a little late imo

[worthy fiber]

Plus SCal's theme already has a built-in one

[lost agate]

@tulip parcel thats doesnt make sense

Also, were missing auric slimes so...

[tulip parcel]

Well yeah, but... firstly, the irradiated slimes only start spawning after moonlord has been killed

[lost agate]

But im pretty sure they have nothing to do with luminite

[tulip parcel]

Second, the irradiated rain is a result of the moonlord's death

[lost agate]

But they dont indicate they should be related to luminite at all

Its just a radioactive slime

[tulip parcel]

Partially I'm suggesting changing irradiated slime because it would save some spritework

[lost agate]

They would still need a new slime related to luminite

So you dont really save any work

[tulip parcel]

Why wouldn't you just be able to edit the drops of the irradiated slime

That isn't exactly difficult

[lost agate]

Because it doesnt make sense

[tulip parcel]

Okay, why does exodium spawn in the planetoids after moonlord dies?

[lost agate]

Also, if vanilla ores dont have slimes, then why would luminite be so special?

[tulip parcel]

Because vanilla ores are minable, and luminite isn't?

[lost agate]

Then we could make luminite mineable so they are really even

Instead of a slime

[tulip parcel]

Then you would have to have luminite spawn in the world

[lost agate]

If exodium can spawn then how hard would that be?

[tired haven]

3 embarassed fabs/10

[tulip parcel]

Bottom line though

Compared to other aspects of calamity, luminite is still woefully clunky to acquire

Astralgeldon dropping lunar fragments was a step in the right direction, but more needs to be done

[ashen warren]

Moon materials, cosmilite, darksun fragments, yharon soul fragments

Not that different to those

Bloodstone.. divine geodes.. I'll stop

[lost agate]

But we need a slime amirite

[tulip parcel]

But those are all post moonlord

[lost agate]

Luminite is post ML....

[tulip parcel]

How do you define this mod's difficulty

The last tier

"Post Moonlord"

It's even on your wiki

[lost agate]

Post ML starts as soon as moonlord is dead

[tulip parcel]

So why even make that comparison

[lost agate]

Bag opening is done after ML is dead

[tulip parcel]

So why is luminite, a post moonlord material, something that can only be acquired by killing a pre-moonlord boss

If you're going to define it using "bag opening"

[lost agate]

Moonlord is pre moonlord?

[tulip parcel]

You said "Bag opening is done after ML is dead"

[lost agate]

Thats quite odd to say tho

[tulip parcel]

And you said "Luminite is post ML"

That's what you said

[lost agate]

Not that

[tulip parcel]

Boy

I am using words that came outta your mouth

[lost agate]

Its like saying WoF is pre WoF, Wof is goddamn wof tier

[tulip parcel]

"Luminite is Post-ML"

[lost agate]

Its like saying 0 is either negative or positive

[tulip parcel]

Dude it's YOUR logic, not mine

[ashen warren]

Luminite is post moon-lord because you can kill providence with it, problem solved

[tulip parcel]

But then lies the problem

Why is luminite, a post moonlord material

aquired by killing a pre-moonlord boss

He defines post-ML as bag opening

[lost agate]

Because you open it after moon lord is dead

Simple as that

Or you gonna tell me luminite rains while ML is alive?

[ruby cobalt]

Do I need to bonk either of you?

[tulip parcel]

Why do you have to kill the last boss from hardmode repeatedly, is all I'm saying

[ashen warren]

Moonlord isn't pre itself, it makes no sense

[lost agate]

^

[ashen warren]

Hi drh

[tulip parcel]

But with shuck's logic, that's what he is saying

"bag opening is post ml"

[lost agate]

Ah whatever

[ruby cobalt]

Luminite is a material obtained from ML, thus you need to kill him. You obtain it right after its death, which sends you into post-ML.

Topic closed.

[lost agate]

I made my point

^

[ashen warren]

Because you open the bag just after killing ML :l

[lost agate]

Also, post ML weapons makes it easy af to kill

[ruby cobalt]

If you wanna keep going at it - do it in DMs.

[lost agate]

Ok

[tulip parcel]

I've already stopped, they're still goin

🤷

[ashen warren]

As soon as you kill ML, you are in Post-ML, that's all

[tulip parcel]

Was thinking of suggesting a pre-yharon magic weapon, cosmic rainbow + last prism

Not sure what it would do though

[tired haven]

Several ricocheting laser beams?

Idk

[ashen warren]

Seems a little weak for a weapon including last prism in his recipe

[tulip parcel]

How about this

I'm taking partial inspiration from a certain album cover

[ashen warren]

not so bad x)

[tulip parcel]

So what you do is

LMB fires a thin white laser

RMB places a black prism

If you fire the laser into the prism it deals monstrous damage and spews rainbows everywhere

[ashen warren]

That could be nice

Or the white laser spews several rainbows when it reach solid blocks

But it'll be more logic with a prism for sure

[tulip parcel]

how about this instead

functionally you reverse the last prism

so it starts out as a heavy damage beam then splits into several colored beams

But then after the beam seperates completely, another beam forms in the center - while the other colored beams are still firing

This process repeats as long as you can maintain the mana cost, with the screen quickly becoming a lightshow

[tired haven]

This stuff sounds amazing ngl

[tulip parcel]

I'll start a writeup, thinking "The First Prism" for the name

[ashen warren]

Does it consume more mana than the Last Prism ? I think yes

[tulip parcel]

Oh how about instead of "First Prism"

You use Dark Plasma for its crafting and it's called "Void Prism", with "Bent Light" as a tooltip?

Thoughts?

[ashen warren]

I dont know, have you done the whole recipe of this weapon ? Or not yet

[tulip parcel]

I was thinking... probably making it a similar cost to Aether's Whisper

So 3 Dark Plasma and the weapons, that's it

[ashen warren]

Void Prism is a cool name, but « void » for a weapon which shot rainbows beam.. not so relevant i guess 🤔

[tulip parcel]

How about "Dark Moon Prism"

[ashen warren]

I’m okay with your cost recipe though

[tulip parcel]

Darkmoon? Maybe New Moon?

[ashen warren]

I’m thinking about it, I’ m not good to find cool names x)

Lunar Prism, Mirror Prism.. meh, that’s bad

[ruby cobalt]

Why Prism?

[tulip parcel]

I was actually thinking of dropping the "Prism" and just calling it "Dark Moon"

[ruby cobalt]

That's a good thought, don't limit yourself to just "%something% Prism".

[ashen warren]

Oh okay in my mind this weapon will be a prism too

[tulip parcel]

No it -is- a prism, this is just a question of moniker

[ashen warren]

Dark Moon is pretty good

[tulip parcel]

Suggestion up, it was getting a bit wordy

[gritty crow]

@lyric radish Dokuro designed it to be played after beating Calamitas doppelgänger for the first time... as nice as it would be post WoF, maybe it should play post Calamitas instead?

[alpine garnet]

I'd like a viable prism before post-yharon, and even that one is 1/100

[vague karma]

sh*t we need new boss ideas( for some reason)

[alpine garnet]

no boss suggestions iirc

[ruby cobalt]

We don't.

[tulip parcel]

1/100? what do you mean

[vague karma]

oh

[alpine garnet]

yharim's cryst

[ruby cobalt]

Yharim's Crystal is a thing.

[tulip parcel]

ahhh okay

[vague karma]

umm... Yharim's bicycle?

[alpine garnet]

takes a bit of grinding

[bitter topaz]

potential boss suggestion
censoring swear words as well

[ruby cobalt]

fr*ck

[alpine garnet]

fr*ck

h*Ck u beat me to it

[tulip parcel]

sh**t

[ruby cobalt]

👁

[vague karma]

o*psy

[alpine garnet]

okay this is kinda offtopic

[vague karma]

yeha

yeah*

[ruby cobalt]

Ye, stay on topic from now on please.

[tulip parcel]

golly gsh drn and b*ther

okay last one

anyway

[vague karma]

so yeah... i have a suggestion for new boss!!!

[tulip parcel]

I see this as being a crafted option

and it makes use of two really neat items that

[vague karma]

Yharon bicycle

[tulip parcel]

don't really see much use sadly

[vague karma]

A bike possesed by Yharon

how about that?

It would be a GREAT pokemon

[round falcon]

meme suggestions right before 1.4 launched

[rapid folio]

Would it be alright to suggest changes to already existing bosses?

or well "bosses"?

[livid coral]

If they're good you can suggest em

[ruby cobalt]

Changes to existing bosses: sure go ahead.
New bosses: no, for various reasons.
Minibosses: yes.

[tulip parcel]

I shouldn't be suggesting all these things just before an update drops should I

[ruby cobalt]

Nah, it's fine.

Not like 99% of those suggestions get in either way

[tulip parcel]

...yeah

I scrolled up out of curiousity

like a couple months back

only three suggestions were actually implemented, and they were all "change X about Y"

like SCal not doing contact damage during bullet hell

[livid coral]

We've got a few things we can't reeeeally spoil about future updates sooo

yeaaah

[tulip parcel]

I just hope my gacha idea gets reviewed, I think it's cute

[rapid folio]

Eh, I'll refrain from suggesting it for now, atleast till after the update

[livid coral]

Aight no problem. (especially with Astral being overhauled)

[rapid folio]

Not really anything to do with Astral, but kinda iffy about it because of the abyss

[frosty kindle]

@ashen warren perhaps state a reason why you want this change? (such as an opinion why, like for more buffs to fill in etc.)

[sleek wigeon]

A lore npc

Now theres a thought thats never been thought

[lean moat]

I dunno if it's a good idea or not, it just popped into my head when I was playing earlier

[ruby cobalt]

I think it was already sent in, multiple times.

Don't quote me on that though.

[lean moat]

They wouldnt be JUST for lore, of course, the items they sold would be useful, but it'd be good for players who want more immersion and backstory to everything.

[sleek wigeon]

I dont plan on quoting anything you say, drh

[lean moat]

And, oof, if it was sent before, I didnt know, sorry

Tbh i mostly just thought of "a cute npc that looks and acts like rei ayanami", and then i started thinking of the lore

[frosty kindle]

no worries
since no suggestion is always the same, even if the goal is to get a similar idea into the game, there will almost always be different

[lean moat]

so i went crazy

Right

[sleek wigeon]

Vanity set tbh

[lean moat]

...I'm trying to think of one that'd reference Asuka as well (maybe some explorer/adventurer npc)...even tho i dont watch NGE, asuka and rei are super well known anime characters, and a lot of players would know them

[ruby cobalt]

sigh

References for the sake of references?

[lean moat]

...Kinda i guess so yea

[sleek wigeon]

Tbf, thats kinda calamity's mo

[lean moat]

I at least tried to make it kinda fit

although i bet it's stupid knowing how all of my ideas are

I was thinking about a loremaster npc in general, and i remembered rei, totally not because of getting the NGE opening stuck in my head

[sleek wigeon]

I somehow doubt that murasama started as a "lets have a arkhalis upgrade" rather than a "lets have a mgr rference"

[ruby cobalt]

Ye.

[lean moat]

And i thought a loremaster npc would be pretty emotionless and wise and mysterious and all that good stuff, and i just had the idea

Probably a stupid idea, but an idea nonetheless

[sleek wigeon]

all ideas are stupid on paper

Its only in execution do they definetly prove

that they were stupid to start off with

[lean moat]

Right, right, even my dumb ideas could be something decent i guess

[sleek wigeon]

Glad you interpreted that way, since that wasnt the actual meaning at all

[lean moat]

That all ideas seem stupid, but they can only become not-stupid...or even MORE stupid, once you actually try the idea, right

[sleek wigeon]

Ranged

[umbral dune]

Finally... it took me way to long to do that

[sleek wigeon]

Thats def a ranged weapon]

If you consume the weapon, its throwing

If you consume ammo for the weapon, its ranger

[ruby cobalt]

Bone Glove?

[umbral dune]

ok

[sleek wigeon]

Literally the one exception

[ruby cobalt]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lean moat]

Poodley, that's a really really goodie suggestion-

[sleek wigeon]

Also throwers in early game are opaf

They dont need more tools

[umbral dune]

ok

[sleek wigeon]

Nah, scourge of the desert you throw the weapon

rather than using ammo for a weapon

[umbral dune]

ah

you right

[frosty kindle]

some throwing weapons are unlimited

[sleek wigeon]

Yes

Some ranged weapons are too

[frosty kindle]

besides, it would be up to the devs to decide what kind of damage it could do anyways

[umbral dune]

Oh, if my thing gets 50 stars it gets sent to devs for them to see

that's pretty cool

[lean moat]

...I see...so that's how the star system works-

Uuuuuu, im nervous...I actually want mine to be seen, but i dont think it'd get much

..It's already gotten 16 which is good, but, still

[umbral dune]

that's pretty good

[lean moat]

Then again, i think we can edit our suggestions

[umbral dune]

the one up there has 47 stars

[shadow prism]

Make chaos state cause you to take 20% more damage from all sources while you have it on Rev/Death to make using RoD riskier. Currently, you can use it to dodge certain attacks with almost no penalty or risk involved (ML deathray, DoG laser walls, etc).

I post here for feedback first

[umbral dune]

ah ok

yeah, sounds good

[sleek wigeon]

Eh

I disagree with that

Not much of a point,ya know?

[shadow prism]

reworded for clarity

[sleek wigeon]

still dont see the point

[radiant meadow]

sounds interesting although rod already gets a nerf in tandem with cs next update

[shadow prism]

if you use rod you have to dodge for however many seconds after using it

[sleek wigeon]

Isnt chaos state 5 seconds?

[shadow prism]

idk how long it is

but you get the idea

[radiant meadow]

it's 6 seconds

[shadow prism]

it could just be scal-only to discourage rod unless you’re good at dodging

[sleek wigeon]

what?

[shadow prism]

since she would basically oneshot while you have it with the damage buff

[radiant meadow]

doesn't scal already one-shot certain builds next update?

[shadow prism]

maybe

[sleek wigeon]

Still seems dumb idk

like its just a change for the sake of being a change

[radiant meadow]

I mean, dog used to have rod discourager, but that was removed

[sleek wigeon]

And DoG also used to require RoD

[shadow prism]

with this rod itself is still fine, it just makes getting hit shortly after using it more punishing

[lean moat]

I updated my loremaster thing, and i needed to use two messages to fit it in gg

[ivory aspen]

nice

[frosty kindle]

was gonna say if that could've been one message, but discord said otherwise

[lost agate]

@ivory aspen that actually could be useful

[frosty kindle]

i'll star the bottom message to make it seem cleaner

[lean moat]

Right, i tried to fit it all in one but i couldnt oof

[frosty kindle]

no worries

[ivory aspen]

eyy thanks

[lean moat]

And, i dont play revengeance so i dont have the counter scarf, but that'd be a good idea

It could be small, even if it's like...a small spark on the scarf or somethin'

[ivory aspen]

because i never really know if i can dodge yet or not, and i'm afraid to look at the top left because i might get hit by an attack i don't see

[sleek wigeon]

Better than my first suggestion

which was buff calamitas

[ivory aspen]

[lean moat]

Sorry if i went overboard with the loremaster thingy btw--

...i had too much fun writing that-

[lost agate]

@tired jewel i dig it

Sounds like a better difficulty improvement rather than a instant bitch tp

[ivory aspen]

imo remove the bit about shooting blue slime, but i think the rest is 👌

or make the shooting blue slime a death mode thing

[tired jewel]

I added the shooting part because it can just be killed easily otherwise

[lost agate]

I would add something

"but make king slime teleport a little bit slower"

Just to balance it a bit

[tired jewel]

Yeah I added that

Thank you btw

[lost agate]

👍

[alpine copper]

I had an idea

What about an accesory

That replaces emblems in WoF lootpool in rev mode

They would also replace emblems in every recipe that uses them

[lost agate]

Laudanum?

Oh

[radiant meadow]

summons are affected by rage and adrenaline

wdym

@steel raptor

[ashen warren]

"improve ai" doesnt work as a suggestion

[tired jewel]

I don't think their AI can be more improved

[radiant meadow]

and that's what targeting is for

well, sharknados and sand sharks could benefit from larger range tbh

[steel raptor]

termigator ik, but the damage they do against some bosses in particular (duke fishron, moon lord, yharon) is insignificant

[radiant meadow]

what are you using?

[tired jewel]

I mean the stardust dragon exists for moon lord

The mechworm is nice for yharon and duke can be fought with ufos/ravens reliably

[radiant meadow]

entropy's vigil handles the eye waves better

[steel raptor]

stardust cell staff and stardust dragon staff do nothing against duke fishron and moon lord

[radiant meadow]

baby yharons melt phase 2 of yharon

entropy's work for duke fishron

[steel raptor]

in revengeance mode

[tired jewel]

Baby yharons are post-yharon tho

[radiant meadow]

post phase 1

[tired jewel]

Yharon's kindle staff is post phase 1?

[radiant meadow]

yeah, before he flies away and tells you about the dark sun, you get a treasure bag

stardust dragon is fine for moon lord

[tired jewel]

I wonder why i never got one

[steel raptor]

but duke fishron in phase 3 is too fast for almost every minion in the game

[radiant meadow]

dreadmine staff my dude

[tired jewel]

^

[radiant meadow]

and resummoning tactics

[steel raptor]

I used that as well]

[radiant meadow]

you gotta lead him into the mines

[tired jewel]

You can keep casting your minions on duke as termigator said

[radiant meadow]

and resummon the vigil so they can get to the duke

[tired jewel]

or you can pull a celestial pillars kill stardust pillar kill duke tactic

[steel raptor]

maybe I just suck at the class

I quit in ML fight anyways

[tired haven]

Tbh if there was a way to buff summoner,I'd remove rev dmg cap/weaken it for pure summoner

[steel raptor]

Agreed, after all the auric tesla space helmet damage increase if 120%

[ashen warren]

i think late game summoner is fine

[steel raptor]

`is

[ashen warren]

90k dps while holding a rod is pretty damn good

[tired haven]

Except even then it's only with two latest summons

[ashen warren]

3

[steel raptor]

yharim's crystal and heavenly gale do more dps

[tired haven]

Nuggets and cosmic

[ashen warren]

mechworm though

most people use mechworm as well iirc

[radiant meadow]

calamaris if you end up having filler slots

[ashen warren]

especiall since you get 2 nuggets from artifact

[tired haven]

They use worm because odd slots/too many nuggets

Not because it is really that good

Either way may nerf lategame summons and buff them back by cap weakening

[radiant meadow]

and one is mandatory if you use auric/god slayer

[hollow shell]

Jesus Dick with the suggestions

in like
the last hour

[alpine copper]

So any opinions on my suggestion?

[ruby cobalt]

Yes, but elaborate on balancing tbh.

[alpine copper]

What's your definition of "balanced"?

[ashen warren]

tarragon ranged is already being nerfed

it's in the changelogs which nobody reads

[sleek wigeon]

A changelog?

sounds like a thing only nerds read

[radiant meadow]

indirect nerf but squashes buggy

[round falcon]

guess im nerd then

[lean moat]

Its' a good idea to read change logs, tho

[ashen warren]

that joke must have wings it went over so many heads

[alpine copper]

It's neccesary? I mean they die pretty quickly

[ivory aspen]

eh

i mean it's just a sort of qol thing

[noble violet]

they should add a weapon

which does

no damage

[ivory aspen]

i think it would be nice to have though

[ashen warren]

yabhb has that iirc

[radiant meadow]

well, apparently people are not fans of the double health bars which is superior tbh

[tired jewel]

double hp bar op

[tired haven]

Double hp bar = double brain

[tulip parcel]

left lobe and right lobe of cthulu

[alpine copper]

But real talk now, yabhb showing how much enemies left till pillar shield breaks down was Awsome

[ashen warren]

Uh... so um. Anybody wanna discuss ideas for refilling the desert biome?

[tulip parcel]

how do you mean

[ashen warren]

I’m also thinking of ideas for ways certain bosses could spawn without a summon item.

Well, in Calamity Lore, the deserts were once oceans until Calamitas dried them up.

And massive and originally docile creatures like the desert scourge, crabulon, and possibly Duke Fishron lived there.

[tired jewel]

She was thirsty ok

[tired haven]

Inb4 giant calamari boss

[ashen warren]

No she needed some eye drops.

Her eyes got dry.

[tired haven]

Oh yeah btw boss suggestions are beaned

Minibosses are fine though

[ashen warren]

I’m not suggesting any bosses.

[tired haven]

but desert already has like 3

Well just a tip

I missed "spawn without summon item" ok?

[ashen warren]

Just a biome with maybe a few massive and docile beasts swimming around, possibly a few useful items?

[tulip parcel]

you know what could be done though

like...

if you wanna go that route

maybe after you kill ocean scourge you get a message like "the desert is flooding!"

and hardened sandstone blocks start generating water

then you could have a miniboss of rehydrated cnidrion

[ashen warren]

I was thinking more of using the infinite water bucket to craft a item of sorts but that works great too.

[tired haven]

Well, to be very honest, underground desert is already kind of special biome
Just that desert itself is very shallow content wise
Also that flood suggestion is

[ruby cobalt]

So killing a starved half-dead dried and washed up worm somehow triggers a major leak in desert's sewage system?

[tulip parcel]

no that's desert scourge

ocean scourge is fully hydrated

he's hoggin all the water for himself

bastard

[ashen warren]

Only boss I could think of that could possibly trigger a reaction like that lorewise would be...

Her.

[sleek wigeon]

SCal?

[tired jewel]

The desert scourage is obviously dried-up tho

[sleek wigeon]

Ess Cal?

[ashen warren]

Well, she did dry the oceans up herself.

[ruby cobalt]

Alright, killing moist fat healthiest hunk of junk somehow triggers a major flood in a desert on the other side of the map?

[tired haven]

And even then I'd expect opposite reaction upon her death

[tulip parcel]

hey sometimes it's closer! you dunno!

[sleek wigeon]

I doubt killing her reverses the magic of evaporation

[tulip parcel]

actually you know

[ashen warren]

Maybe she could drop a tear item since she’s a giant eye?

[tulip parcel]

maybe plantera would make more sense

because he's a giant plant

[tired jewel]

How would plantera

[sleek wigeon]

She

[tulip parcel]

suckin up all the water for himself

[tired jewel]

Plantera lacks female flower parts and has male flower parts

[tired haven]

Well yes,what I say is that on her death even more oceans may evaporate

[tired jewel]

flower =/= female smh

[ashen warren]

PLANTS DON’T HAVE GENDERS

[tulip parcel]

I said himself

[sleek wigeon]

Actally

[ashen warren]

THEY’RE BOTH THAT’S HOW FLOWERS WORK

[sleek wigeon]

Some plants do have specialized genders

[tired haven]

Yeah

[ashen warren]

Yeah but flowers act as both.

Anyways but um.

[tired haven]

Are you sure this one does

[tulip parcel]

what boss would realistically trigger a "flood" event

[tired jewel]

Plantera doesn't act as both

[sleek wigeon]

Anyhow, genders a social construct anyway and plantera would obviously identify as female

[ashen warren]

Lets just stick to the item idea for the desert flood.

[tulip parcel]

no

uhhh

[tired jewel]

An item makes more sense than desert scourage / plantera

[tulip parcel]

yeah I guess

I said ocean scourge not desert

🔫

[tired jewel]

or perhaps a mini-boss would make more sense I guess? since you can suggest those?

[sleek wigeon]

It doesnt make sense at all tbf

[tired haven]

We say plantera and not planter smh

[sleek wigeon]

A flooded desert would just be aquatic depths but worse

and fuck up cross content

super hard

[tulip parcel]

yyyeaaah

[tired jewel]

who even uses calamity with other mods

[tulip parcel]

it's not like calamity doesn't do that already though

[ashen warren]

Maybe a drop from Duke Fishron, Aquatic Scourge, or SCal containing a remnant of the ocean’s magic, combined with the endless water bucket and some sort of magic staff for water...

Also, I’m just suggesting it only works once.

And that it doesn’t flood ALL deserts.

[sleek wigeon]

Calamity doesnt radically change an entire biome. At most it has ocean hole

which spawns on dungeon side for thorium compatibility

[radiant meadow]

well, only one desert has an underground network

[sleek wigeon]

Yes and what if mods wanna add content there?

[tired haven]

And it is only one to have underground content

[sleek wigeon]

Exactly

[ashen warren]

Why not have it create another underground network in the desert that doesn’t have it?

[tired haven]

Why flood the desert in first place tbh

[tulip parcel]

you're right

flood the entire world

we're making everything abyss now

[radiant meadow]

oh no >.<

[tired haven]

Oceans recovering is cool lore-wise but uh

[ashen warren]

Similar to the abyss, but instead of dark and full of danger, it’s full of beautiful aquatic life.

[radiant meadow]

abyssal diving suit doesn't even give underwater breathing yet

[sleek wigeon]

Isnt that

just the aquatic depths?

but worse?

[ashen warren]

I dunno...

[tired haven]

Well not necessarily worse but questionable

[ashen warren]

................... : (

[sleek wigeon]

Because thats litterally the aquatic depths

[tired haven]

except in desert

[sleek wigeon]

Yeah

[ashen warren]

Well, I’m suggesting one with less emptiness.

[sleek wigeon]

Aquatic depths isn't empty at all, the heck ya mean?

[ashen warren]

Instead of a endless black abyss with only a bottom and walls, how about put some floating underwater islands in there?

[sleek wigeon]

Not the abyss. but the aqautic depths

from thorium

[ashen warren]

Ones with things like tall kelp or coral growing in them?

[sleek wigeon]

Ya know, the biggest, best terraria mod out there?

[ashen warren]

The Aquatic depths is more cavish

[sleek wigeon]

What do you think an underground network is?

If not a cave?

[ashen warren]

I was saying the biome would spawn in the desert WITHOUT the underground network.

[sleek wigeon]

But... theres nothing to flood without generating a new,structure

presumably one thats a network

[tired haven]

Also pretty sure deserts apart from one with underground are not guaranteed to generate

[ashen warren]

Think of taking the abyss, but making it wider and shorter, than put floating islands with large plantlife and ores on them, along with wildlife.

[sleek wigeon]

so.... just the abyss but worse?

Or just the aquatic depths but worse?

[ashen warren]

It could spawn empty and lifeless until you activate the item and refill it?

[sleek wigeon]

Both

[ashen warren]

... I’m just trying to make this work man... Why are you being so critical?...

I understand criticism but... you’re just blatantly telling me my ideas are bad... not really suggesting ways to make it work... Crabar is at least bringing up a valid point that the desert might not spawn for it to spawn in as well...

And that could be a problem, though if the biome became a “optional” thing, it could work.

Sorta like how you don’t have to touch the snow biome in vanilla, but it still has content there for you to explore.

And people are always complaining about how Calamity is really hard, so maybe it could act as a optional “boost” for the player to get better gear to make the bosses slightly less difficult to work with.

[tulip parcel]

dude just saying

[ashen warren]

calamity is only as difficult as you make it. I also don't think ijones is being unfair with what he's saying in any way

[round falcon]

What I'm getting from this is a more mellow but costier Abyss that's easier to navigate.

[tulip parcel]

you're overreacting

[gusty geode]

Problem is this mod already has a water biome

[tulip parcel]

when you put things up for discussion you subject them to critique

this is why this is #suggestions-discussion

[gusty geode]

Odds are it will be torn apart

[tulip parcel]

I didn't put up the idea for dark moon without talking it out with a few people first

if I put it out with what I initially had in mind for it, it probably wouldn't be the design it is now

critique is what lets us improve

[ashen warren]

I know, but he’s not really suggesting anything or pointing out actual flaws in it. He’s just saying it’s “the abyss but worse.”

[tulip parcel]

sometimes

[round falcon]

I like the idea but don't really think it would work, especially with Thorium. Perhaps your suggestion would work more like a Shrine?

[tulip parcel]

you just have to accept that an idea is bad

or unworkable

[ashen warren]

then compare it to the abyss and find what is lacking in your suggestion

[tulip parcel]

not always, but sometimes

[ashen warren]

that critique still gives you something to work with, albeit not worded in a way that the criticism is spoonfed to you, because it's not up to anyone to make that idea good, it's up to you, since it's your idea.

[tulip parcel]

here's my suggestion

[ashen warren]

I know, but isn’t just calling something bad not a form of critique?

[tulip parcel]

instead of making the desert an ocean

make it an -oasis-

[ashen warren]

it depends in what way

That’s actually a pretty good idea.

"this is bad" says nothing
"this is bad because abyss is better" says more, and you can work with that, you can find things abyss has that your idea doesn't have, or things your idea has that wouldn't work

[round falcon]

Perhaps an oasis Planetoid?

[ashen warren]

We could have the sides of the biome still count as desert, but at the center is a massive pond with beautiful flora and fauna, with a large island floating at the center.

[tulip parcel]

also, unrelated

[gusty geode]

Planetoids are in desperate need of new content, yes

[tulip parcel]

tfw you have a suggestion at 49/50

yeah

you could probably pal around with planetoids

all they really have going for them atm is exodium

[round falcon]

Vorbis what is your suggestion

[ashen warren]

A oasis planetoid?

exodium and early game stuff like life crystals, bee larva, enchanted swords and the like

it currently also has alch table but that's being scrapped next patch

[tulip parcel]

there's a couple tbh

[round falcon]

An oasis planetoid, let's work with that.

[gusty geode]

All of which can be obtained elsewhere

[tulip parcel]

the one I was referring to was uhh

"happy lucky ore lottery gacha"

[ashen warren]

it can be, but it's way easier to get a grav pot and float on up for free life crystals and early potions (until next patch)

[tulip parcel]

anyway like

an oasis biome seems pretty...

meh? in spacE?

the big issue is if it generates with a hole in it

likely what's gonna happen is you'll flood the map

at least with abyss it can only flood underground

[lean moat]

Not to mention, guys

an oasis mini biome has been confirmed, i believe.

[tulip parcel]

has it?

[round falcon]

Yes.

[tulip parcel]

huh

neat

[lean moat]

According to Happydays's spoiler videos, yeah

So an oasis biome WOULD be cool, but it's already being done in vanilla.

[round falcon]

Hmm.

[tulip parcel]

huh, that's cool.

[ashen warren]

Oh.

Welp.

Guess we could work on making ways the bosses could spawn without summon items?

[lean moat]

Dont sweat it, tho, your ideas are all good as bases, you just need to work on them more to make them unique

[ashen warren]

Aw, thanks dude...

i don't think bosses spawning without a summon item is entirely new player friendly

[round falcon]

Yeah! It's a good starter.

[tulip parcel]

ocean scourge

[ashen warren]

No, I don’t mean exactly like Eye of Cthulhu.

I mean after they do something in the world to trigger it.

[tulip parcel]

ocean scourge

[ashen warren]

ocean scourge can spawn phm, if you find that and attack it out of panic and see the giant hp bar you're gonna have a really bad impression of the mod

[lean moat]

The ocean scourge only summons around the abyss...right?

[tulip parcel]

nope

sulphurous sea

[round falcon]

Sulphuric sea.

[ashen warren]

piss sea

He spawns pre hardmode?

[lean moat]

...Ah, right-

[ashen warren]

yes, he does

Damn.

Well, I wasn’t thinking of having them do that.

More like Plantera maybe.

plantera still requires you to spawn her

[lean moat]

How, exactly?

[round falcon]

Bulb break

[lean moat]

I'm not even at the dungeon yet and i forgot how plantera spawns

..I see

so kinda like the perforator cyst?

...aka, my worst enemy...

[ashen warren]

no

[round falcon]

Not really.

[ashen warren]

Not exactly.

you pickaxe the bulb

[round falcon]

It's a tile.

[ashen warren]

For the Desert Scourge I was thinking of attacking some of it’s passive offspring.

[lean moat]

So it'd just get

"u harmed my bb"

"REE"

[round falcon]

Sounds like a way to summon Brimmy too

[ashen warren]

go to crag biome phm, kill brimling, hm boss spawns

[round falcon]

Slap a few Brimlings to death while she's not alive and then she do it to em

[ashen warren]

that also sounds like it'd make farming obnoxious

[round falcon]

not implying they even spawn in PHM

[ashen warren]

AS does so why not that too

[round falcon]

Then if that do that make cryo do it too

[ashen warren]

I’d probably make it so you have to kill like three.

just beats prov
needs essence of chaos
zergs in crag and 50 buffed brim eles spawn

And each time you get a warning.

[round falcon]

I'd say l o w spawn rates

[ashen warren]

Something like ”Roars of despair echo from the sands.”

sands of the crag?

No, I meant the desert.

[round falcon]

and pull an Abyssion where once the respective boss is down only summon item work

[ashen warren]

For the desert scourge.

that seems like for a brand new player it'd be super offputting trying to farm the desert at all

[round falcon]

Again, low spawn rate.

[ashen warren]

yeah ik low spawn rate

cnidrions have a low spawn rate and they can still ninja you from 50 miles away

[round falcon]

I'm talkin "where did all the voodoo demons go" spawn rates

[ashen warren]

oh makes sense, that'd actually not be too bad then

Yeah, and since the offspring are worms that dig they’re hard to find.

You can only hear them and see particles of them digging to find them.

[round falcon]

The Worm AI naturally homes in on the player though, unless you mean the critter's ai.

[ashen warren]

No, make a passive worm ai.

As in the enemy worm.

So basically a digger that wanders instead of attacking you.

would it deal contact damage, or only once hit/pissed off?

Though it’d probably drop some useful stuff to encourage you to hunt them, while also warning you so you know what will happen.

Only once you piss it off I guess.

[tulip parcel]

49/50
On two seperate suggestions

[ashen warren]

As for Crabulon...

Well, he’s normally passive at first when you see him, right?

So if there was enough open space in a mushroom biome, he could spawn there.

And he just sits there like the dead husk he is giving you a buff until you attack him.

What other ones were there?...

Oh yeah, the slime God.

I dunno how he could spawn naturally.

he's passive for like 5 sec without being attacked pre sure

[round falcon]

Perhaps in place of King Slime during a Slime Rain post-Skele but I saw a suggestion that said the same thing post-WoF

[ashen warren]

Maybe, I’d rather go with the Post WoF one.

For Cryogen I was thinking maybe a structure...

Not a big one, just like a small, underground one.

I’d say make it similar to the Dark Orbs and Eater of Worlds.

There’d be three “seals” that spawn underground which keep the the castle from materializing.

Using the key breaks all three automatically, but if you find all three and break them, you awaken Cryogen and get some bonus loot from the seals.

Brimstone Elemental and Aquatic Scourge should stay the same.

And for Dopplegänger Calamitas... well.

That ones kinda iffy but... maybe

After you beat all the former bosses, you catch Yharim’s attention finally and he sends one of them out to strike you down.

And you get a warning three days prior to prepare for it.

I mean it makes sense lore-wise right?

[lean moat]

Yeah, Yharim kinda just sits back and sends people after you

[ashen warren]

Though that kinda goes against the whole part of the SCal theme where it says the player was only seen as a threat AFTER Yharon got killed.

[lean moat]

while he's just "lol y'all deal with them im gonna chill"

[ashen warren]

Yeah that fits it way better. I was thinking the exact same thing.

Why even send a highly-skilled soldier to wipe out a small, seemingly insignificant threat when you could just get a weaker clone to do it and then euthanize it?

[round falcon]

yharim's just like
"oh hey all these people are dead and the souls of light and dark are running rampant"
and then
"go witch clone"

[ashen warren]

then his dragon gets killed and he still doesn't go after you himself even though you'd think killing his pet that helped him through so much would really piss him off

EXACTLY.

We could have the same thing happen with SCal after Yharon is killed.

Instead of three days though, you get maybe five or seven?

[round falcon]

Try twelve.

[ashen warren]

Twelve.

As each day it reminds you she’s coming.

It’s make it more tense too, knowing this super powerful warrior is coming to kick your ass in twelve days.

[round falcon]

Every night before, a Clonelamitas spawns, perhaps?

[ashen warren]

Seems too repetitive and annoying.

[round falcon]

Maybe just the sixth and tenth nights then.

[ashen warren]

I mean imagine you’re trading with the arms dealer and the tenth calamitas in a row spawns and kills half the village.

[round falcon]

why six and ten i dont know

[ashen warren]

You’d be like “GODDAMMIT AGAIN?!”

Instead of “Shit she’s coming to kill me I need to prepare.”

I’d say she spawns at the crack of midnight on the final day, just for atmosphere.

Maybe make the sky red to really stress you out.

then cosmolight skips spawning

[round falcon]

cosmolight disabled final day i guess

[ashen warren]

You could make it so that just instantly spawns her or instakills you.

[round falcon]

sundial? ...nah that speeds up time

[ashen warren]

And if you die on the final day the cycle of her visit repeats again.

But you can buy her summon item now.

[round falcon]

nah after the first that would get annoying

[ashen warren]

^

Yeah, but you get twelve days in between.

Twelve days is a LOT of time.

[round falcon]

still would be really annoying

[ashen warren]

I can see that.

But maybe we could make it so she doesn’t come back and instead some bad event keeps happening until you kill her?

[round falcon]

"ooh boy i cant wait to-"
"You have twelve days to prepare, fool."
"nOT AGAIN GOSH DARN IT"

[ashen warren]

Like say your NPCs are all permadead?

[round falcon]

ew no

[ashen warren]

Until you kill her, then they come back.

and if you're like me, the moment you come back to your comp after a break you remember nothing, so a surprise scal spawn really throws things into disarray

Nah you’re right that’s pretty bad.

[round falcon]

just once

[ashen warren]

I was thinking on the final day the sky turns red to tell you “Hey bud you better frickin’ hurry.”

And again, every night that passes you’re reminded, so.

[round falcon]

after the first set, she just leaves you alone unless you use her summon

[ashen warren]

You wouldn’t be able to forget necessarily without being warned again beforehand.

Yeah, but that doesn’t make sense?

Why would Yharim just leave you be after that?

You’re still a threat.

[digital sparrow]

Yeah for sure

[round falcon]

Perhaps Yharim believes the Player has been neutralized

[ashen warren]

._.

[digital sparrow]

It would be neat if like after you kill SCal everything starts blurring/shaking and then nothing

[ashen warren]

But by then wouldn’t he know you come back after death?

[digital sparrow]

And then the sky turns yellow for a day or 2

With like a cool thunder crack

[round falcon]

Perhaps he becomes overconfident knowing the witch has bested you once.

[ashen warren]

I’ve got a solution to all this, but it’s omega drastic.

[round falcon]

And that, if neccecary, she could do it again.0

[ashen warren]

If you fail to kill her on the twelfth day, she wipes your inventory.

And then doesn’t come back.

[round falcon]

Dear lorde no please do not do that.

[ashen warren]

It’s the only way I could think to solve it.

And besides, she’s already able to kill players in godmode.

That’s not too far of a stretch.

[digital sparrow]

That sounds good on paper

Maybe just have debuffs that scale up until you fight her

[round falcon]

Good on paper but then there'd be complaints

[ashen warren]

Well.

Don’t kill Yharon then yah dope.

[round falcon]

You're ignoring two things.

[ashen warren]

And besides, you could always get it back.

[round falcon]

The cost of Exo-weapons.

And...

The lack of good weapons to use to get the materials back.

[ashen warren]

Well, I didn’t say she’d keep wiping it AFTER the first death.

[round falcon]

Plus, if it wiped your armor...

[ashen warren]

You could get the stuff back and THEN keep challenging her.

[round falcon]

[ashen warren]

I’d say she’d leave your armor on.

That’d be kinda suggestive anyways.

Okay, how about we just have her massacre your entire village?

And then that’s that?

They still respawn, you don’t lose your items, just everybody dies.

It’d be a good way to get back at you for Yharon too.

You kill Yharim’s pet, he fuckin’ massacres your whole village.

I think that’s a pretty fair way to do it.

There’s still loss, but it’s not permanent or severe as all your items being destroyed, and you can recover as the npcs start respawning.

And hey, you can still challenge her and not have to worry about it happening again!

How’s that deal sound?

[round falcon]

That's better.

[ashen warren]

There we go!

[round falcon]

It's a good way to just say Calamithanos tbh

[ashen warren]

I’d also rather have it so Yharon doesn’t spawn without a summon, since the dialogue in it suggests it’s a planned duel and the results of Supreme Calamitas coming afterwards would be stressful.

Too stressful.

Uh, we still have the Plaguebringer, Ravager, Bumblebirb, and the Scourge.

Plaguebringer could get their own special hive? It could act as a corruption that spreads over hive blocks.

You could cure it to get the normal bee hives back.

[digital sparrow]

Massacre your entire village and destroy part of your base

Ok that’s too far never mind

[round falcon]

Agreed, too far.

[ashen warren]

I mean that’s bordering between too far and barely okay.

[round falcon]

Drop a stick of dynamite on the player's bed

[ashen warren]

Like summoning a small dynamite explosion in every npc house would be really devastating.

[digital sparrow]

Small dynamite explosion in 1 random place wouldn’t be bad if you literally ignored the boss for like 12 days

[ashen warren]

Especially since most players tend to live in their npc houses.

[digital sparrow]

I don’t

[ashen warren]

You don’t.

But some do.

[digital sparrow]

Oh yeah forgot about that

[round falcon]

Every single Shadow Orb and Crimson Heart gets smashed open

[digital sparrow]

I live near

[ashen warren]

Nah.

Back to Plaguebringer though, she could get her own bee fetus thing.

[digital sparrow]

She just spawns and doesn’t go away even when you die

[round falcon]

"bee fetus"

[ashen warren]

Perhaps a device that’s spewing the plague in the hive?

[round falcon]

what did i just read

[ashen warren]

And once you break it, the plaguebringer retaliates.

Well, to spawn the bee queen you basically destroy the next bee queen’s fetus.

So.......