suggestions-discussion

[ashen warren]

vs crab in a u shaped pit

[sacred kraken]

too many sub-par mage weps

[spark flax]

not every weapon for every class has to be usable, mage has a shitton of good stuff and saying they need more things because of the bad is

[sacred kraken]

yes but it's tough for WoF

they're all short ranged

[spark flax]

wof is pre-hardmode

[sacred kraken]

'cept gem staves

[ashen warren]

night's/carnage ray

[spark flax]

[sacred kraken]

YES I KNOW

night's ray is succ

[marsh gust]

nights ray is short ranged

[ashen warren]

that's literally one of the best weapons for wof

[sacred kraken]

carnage ray is succ

[marsh gust]

we talking rev? im talking DM lol

[ashen warren]

i'm talking both

[marsh gust]

for DM the only 2 things i could see being used is demon scythe and shadow drop

[sacred kraken]

they should make exo-exo weapons

like a mage weapon that has every single mage weapon in the game

[marsh gust]

WoF's speed is insane tho

[ashen warren]

why would you use shadowdrop vs wof

[marsh gust]

🤷

[sacred kraken]

and same for the swords and shit

[ashen warren]

just build rage before fight, build adrena with wof around 50%, then burst down

[sacred kraken]

it'd be fun to collect

[spark flax]

shadowdrop is pretty good if you make the roof of hell higher

from what i've heard

[sacred kraken]

and then you combine them into one weapon and it's the wand of sparking

[spark flax]

demon scythe is good for it as well

[marsh gust]

theoretically it is good

aight class starting afk

[sacred kraken]

class

[crimson cove]

I just thought of something

Or, should i say

I thot of sometihng

[sacred kraken]

haha it is getting an education

or it

it

[crimson cove]

Whom?

Anywho

[marsh gust]

hm?

yea i decided to not listen to the prof

[spark flax]

also this is just in my view but imo making two suggestions in a row where one is an upgrade to the other seems to never end well because its highly unlikely that both will get in, and if the latter gets in without the former it seems weird
but that's just my view on things anyhow

[crimson cove]

The Thot Slayer Staff
The ultimate thot destruction tool

Summons a devourer of thots. With every usage, the worm grows, and its damage output increases, similar to the stardust dragon staff. After 10, it will begin to summon the sentinals of the devourer, each with their own unique way of attacking.

Crafting recipe im still thinking on

Hows it sound?

[devout seal]

Seems useless due to mechworm

[crimson cove]

frik

[spark flax]

ye, mechworm already exists

[crimson cove]

forgot

[spark flax]

bobbit hook and omega warden both got over 50.... Nice

seeing cool suggestions made by others that fill niches in the game that needed it makes me :D

[marsh gust]

shaderain staff upgrade summons 2-4 clouds that lasts for 1 second. cloud will be summoned from the player, moves towards the cursor and stays where the player clicked for 1 second. has vilethorn style effect while moving towards the location. yes or nah?

[ashen warren]

where would that be useful, and when you get it in the game, why would it be useful over alternatives?

[marsh gust]

would be around end of pre-HM to early HM

[spark flax]

doesn't last long enough for me to be interested, since i mainly used Nimbus Rod as an extra source of damage for summoners without having to have the rod out

[devout seal]

um

[marsh gust]

again, choices for WoF

[devout seal]

wait, the shaderain staff?
that's not a thing

nevermind

[spark flax]

iirc it is isn't it? hive mind drop

Shaderain and Shadowdrop are so easily confused

[devout seal]

i've never seen it drop

[spark flax]

the way to remember it is that Shadowdrop is a Sky Glaze ripoff and Shaderain is a Nimbus Rod ripoff

[marsh gust]

yea

shadow drop is better than sky glaze tho

way better

[spark flax]

obviously

[marsh gust]

it pierces instead of sticking n explodes

[spark flax]

doesn't have that stupid wait-for-it-to-explode mechanic

[ashen warren]

shadowdrop = sad skelebutt

[spark flax]

so its more like an earlier Icicle Staff or smthn

[marsh gust]

also the weap im not intending it as an extra source of damage

more like main source

where you'll have to actively move the cloud around to damage enemies

[crimson cove]

The Toxic Tyrant's staff
Summons the plague

On use summons a cloud, about the size of king slime, where the mouse cursor is pointed. While in the cloud enemies are inflicted with the plague de-buff, on top of taking steady dps from the cloud. This would be a stationary summon, and from within the clouds little shits plague chargers will come out and harass the enemy for 5 seconds, before disheartening. It summons 2 per second.

Drops from The Plaguebringer Goliath

Thoughts?

[marsh gust]

width of king slime maybe.. size of king slime seems too absurd

[ashen warren]

post pbg means the most value you'd get is early fishron phases, ravager, cultist?

[spark flax]

depends, are we talking start-of-fight or end-of-fight king slime size

[ashen warren]

probably okay for farming towers tho

[marsh gust]

true that

[spark flax]

what weapon type is it? magic or sentry summon?

i'm only upvoting if it's sentry

[ashen warren]

"stationary summon"

[spark flax]

okay, so summon weapon. nice.

[crimson cove]

Yea

I know its not exactly the best, but regular summons are boring

Sentries are where its at

[spark flax]

i like both, but yeah, more sentries is always welcomed

[crimson cove]

Since they dont take up a slot and have insane dps

[radiant meadow]

except Calamity summons are buggy and kill a minion when you summon them >.<

[crimson cove]

I made a god tier suggestion

[radiant meadow]

umm, what do you mean?

[crimson cove]

The ai is lowkey buggy

It doesnt usually target the right stuff

[radiant meadow]

did you try the targetting technique?

of right click?

[ashen warren]

your 'god tier' suggestion offers no explanation as to what you mean

[crimson cove]

oof

I dont know the mod that well ok?

[neon panther]

"the beat" when?

[crimson cove]

.

.

no

@still sluice I dont think that calamity wants anymore copyright strikes

[radiant meadow]

oh dear, 1/10 drop rate for any post wof weapon >.<

in expert+

[ashen warren]

ayy uh can we copystrike clamtits

[still sluice]

wait

[crimson cove]

ayy can we copystrike god

[radiant meadow]

This is where Autotrash comes in and saves the day

[crimson cove]

lol

[still sluice]

can it get copy striked???

[crimson cove]

Calamity could

As in, fabsol

[ashen warren]

that's a youtube thing, so no

[crimson cove]

I mean in the terms of plagerism

[radiant meadow]

Isn't that what happened to the soundtracks before Dokuro made originals?

[still sluice]

damn

[ashen warren]

but there can be legal consequences regarding plagiarism

[still sluice]

good idea to the trash

[ashen warren]

i forget the term of it, something takedown

[crimson cove]

I say copyright strike since everyone knows what that is

mite just wanna delete it

[opaque anvil]

Copyright law is a many-tentacled monster born of the collective hate and spite of the human underbelly and I feel dearly sorry for anyone who has to work with or against it regularly.

[crimson cove]

So amv makers?

[radiant meadow]

I mean, references are ok though.
Look at Revengeance Mode, Murasama, Red Sun, Doggo text, healthbars, and Draedon's Heart

[ashen warren]

it has it's positives, like protecting the work people put into their creations

[crimson cove]

It just goes too far usually

[ashen warren]

references and inspirations are what drive the industry, gaming and modding

[crimson cove]

Yeah but thats directly taking from it

term

[ashen warren]

if it ain't a blatant ripoff and you put your own spin on it, it's usually g

[crimson cove]

Yeah

Also, uh

[opaque anvil]

Copyright has positives, its concept is important and valid and necessary for protecting you the creator.

Copyright law is evil.

[crimson cove]

Most of those makers are ones i dont know, so im gonna let those slide

[still sluice]

indeed

[summer charm]

Any thoughts on my melee weapon idea?

[spark flax]

LILY OPINION TIME:

-Downdraft: Seems neat, flails are fun (if hard to use) and melee does need more pre-hardmode usable weapons. Having it be only an indirect source of damage with the dropping feathers seems like it might be hard to use tho, the reason the Ball o' Fugu is good imo is because the shots home in, and the projectiles from the Spear of Paleolith that fall down (closest example that comes to mind) are hard enough to use by themselves, having that come from a limited range flail instead seems... dangerous.

-Toxic Tyrant's Staff: i love it. good theming, seems like fun. only complaint is that it comes near when you'd get the third tier Old One's Army and to a lesser degree Dreadmine staffs, but Dreadmine only works near solid ground and Army staffs kinda suck in calamity, so I'd 100% use it.

-The Shape: While I love JSB, a direct ripoff reference to the game is kind of excessive. It doesn't really do anything unique compared to other yoyos, and... ONE IN TEN THOUSAND DROP CHANCE?!?!?! W H Y?!?!?! BY THE TIME YOU GET IT IT'LL ALREADY ALMOST CERTAINLY BE OUTCLASSED! (also big-ass picture drowning out all the suggestions above it, riprop shockstorm armor)

[summer charm]

Fair about the Downdraft. I don't want em to home. Maybe just have em linger there for a few seconds?

I ain't editing the post because of the star system.

[spark flax]

oh, sounds reasonable. you could swing it to set them up in front of enemies so they charge into the feathers and take damage then, which is always fun

[ashen warren]

you can edit the post without removing stars

[spark flax]

ye

[still sluice]

well, im not very creative so, dont expect much from me

and like, the drop, it is excessive maybe could get it down to 1/7000 or 1/5000

[hollow shell]

Actually yeah if you could repost that without the image
and just name the boss in question

that'd be preferred

[spark flax]

if you're not creative
hell even if you are
you should try putting your suggestions in this chat first to get feedback and see what people think / how it could be improved / if it's a good idea or not

[still sluice]

will do

[hollow shell]

Thanksya

[still sluice]

idea for the shape

Randomly when killing an enemy a pink colored beam will fall from the sky dealing 90-140 damage

after 10 hits on the same target 4 arms from the yoyo will emerge, dealing 20-50 damage as seen in the image

(it was in hd i promise)

[crimson cove]

h

[still sluice]

h?

[spark flax]

sounds... derivative

like, on one hand i like the arms idea

but on the other hand, it kind of goes from reference to just straight ripping things out of jsb

[still sluice]

oh

but, i dont know how to make it more ''unique''

[ashen warren]

butcher is pretty good, why does it need a buff again?

[low remnant]

is this a weapon I'm not aware of?

it sounds like a gun of some sort

[tired haven]

Hardmode pre-boss one, apparently

!wiki butcher

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Butcher_(Weapon)

[low remnant]

mmh

meh

[ashen warren]

pair that with ichor bullets and you've got a cryoven melting machine in your hands

[lost agate]

Buff... By doing what and why and how.....

My point is, this suggestion is lazy af

[ashen warren]

Butcher is a really fun weapon and it's a shame how quickly it gets outclassed

I can only use it until plant (fyi I'm being sarcastic, butcher was useful until plantera when I played which is really good for a pre-boss hm weapon)

[lost agate]

Still, this suggestions is lazily made

[ashen warren]

Oh yes totally

The first pin in suggestions should become required tbh

[sudden quail]

implying people read pins

[ashen warren]

"Read the pins in a channel before posting
Before asking a question in a channel, read the pins first to see if the answer isn't pinned in some way, to avoid further trouble." rules

Then it's a warnable offence

[tired haven]

Well there were quite a few warns for ignoring pins and stuff so it's true

[lost agate]

Inb4 we add read_pins to all chat names smh

[heady comet]

tbh bot that spams pins in every channel every 5 seconds

[lost agate]

Pin bot pls

!wiki can we get a pin bot?

Ow

[marsh gust]

lol

[ashen warren]

you might hit an rl with that frequency

[unique vector]

cant mee6 do that

spam messages every 5 mins or smth

[ashen warren]

mee6 can also be an annoying piece of shit which most ppl block

[marsh gust]

tbh just have an AHK running with an alt

probably every 1 hour, the chat can be empty for that long

[unique vector]

just make a custom bot tbh

[marsh gust]

i don't wanna wake up to 10 MOTD in #suggestions-voting , dont think anyone wants that

[ashen warren]

you can literally have a bot dm a user when they join being like "yo read the pins bitch"

[marsh gust]

that's gold

i actually suggested b4

and they said this current system is fine

i had a suggestion like during the 10 mins when you first joined, just have the rules channel open and block the others

[ashen warren]

that's actually not difficult to do

[hollow shell]

@golden shoal elaborate please, what about it needs buffing and why

smh you people, ya gotta ping em

[lost agate]

Oh fuck true

[marsh gust]

what do you think will happen if we change the discord links into a random server link, then when they join, at the bottom of the rules theres the actual discord link

[ashen warren]

not a bad idea tbh

[river marten]

May I suggest a large world gen structure?

[devout seal]

No, because worldgen is difficult.

[river marten]

ah

so it would be a good idea just to suggest adjustments and new item ideas?

[hidden helm]

Basically

Ye

Well I dunno

What’s your suggestion anyway?

You have me intrigued

[river marten]

It's hella late for me rn

well whatever

So my idea was to add a massive tree about 200 - 400 Blocks tall at the edge of the world near the regular ocean (Since it's not very interesting atm compared to the wasteland ocean) that would emit lots of light, and would have a 50/50 chance to be a Rich Mahogany tree (Hotter climate) or a Boreal Wood tree (Colder Climate). There can only be one tree for every world.

I just thought of this

kinda wip

[hidden helm]

Sounds cool

[river marten]

Inspired by the 'Years of the Trees' from the Lord of the Rings

[uncut jetty]

what would the tree do tho aside from being a large tree

[hidden helm]

Would there be a boss, new enemies, new gear, that sort of stuff

[uncut jetty]

is there loot?

[river marten]

idk

[uncut jetty]

all the loot!

[river marten]

probably

should I post it?

[hidden helm]

I dunno

[river marten]

It's probably too ambitious

[hidden helm]

Eh, whatever

Think it through

[uncut jetty]

i think it needs to be more fleshed out first

[hidden helm]

Ye

[uncut jetty]

at its current state it exists only to add a tree for basically no other reason

[golden shoal]

butcher needs a buff because it's niche was taken it was a solo weapon boss killer but now it's bad at that and hopeless for enemies cause of startup. it should have better startup or better boss dps. maybe regen is canceld while shooting it and it has higher dps? so like a double edge sword

[ashen warren]

it's still good at killing bosses with the right setup tho?

[tired haven]

Isn't butcher at max heatup just a megashark without adrenaline ability?

[ashen warren]

i actually think i've peaked higher dps with butcher than i have with megashark

1k butcher
1.1k - 1.2k mega
so i was wrong but it's still pretty close in terms of dps

[tired haven]

now try uzi with that

Just curious

[ashen warren]

just tested with no enchants/forges vs cryo

butcher on top in dps

220~ butcher
180~ megashark
140~ uzi
vs shield

300~ butcher
280~ megashark
270~ uzi

top 3 is vs shield, bot 3 vs w/o shield

[proven tide]

holy fuck

@rich wagon I'd recommend deleting that ASAP

[marsh gust]

@rich wagon a star is only given by devs n cool doods i think

[rich wagon]

oh ok

[proven tide]

Also that

[marsh gust]

you cant add it by urself

[rich wagon]

ok

[faint rivet]

🤔 What did I miss?

[proven tide]

not much, really

[low hedge]

oh bou

absooutely not the correct place and the correct time @ashen warren

[ashen warren]

huh?

why

[low hedge]

resprites arr sent in the sprite submission part of art

[faint rivet]

Still looks neat

[ashen warren]

thanks

where is sprite submissions?

[low hedge]

plus astrum deus got a resprite tecentlu

judt go to art server and youll see it

but you probably shouldny send it

very high chance to be rejected and straigjt up deleted for not being up to stanfarfs

or just do the opposite and send it anyway

[ashen warren]

xD

ye...

[worthy fiber]

@golden shoal you gotta be more descriptive than that

[ashen warren]

@worthy fiber

[worthy fiber]

He's not descriptive in the actual suggestion

[arctic wren]

"nerf halibut cannon even more"

[stoic narwhal]

[ruby cobalt]

Current nerf is fine.

[worthy fiber]

Oh yeah, you got to test it

Would you say it's balanced

[ruby cobalt]

Nah, it's still as stupid.

Much less stupid though.

[worthy fiber]

Good enough

[tired haven]

still as stupid
much less stupid

Yeet

[ruby cobalt]

yeet

I mean, it's the same kind of stupid, but lesser levels of stupid.

[still sluice]

How op is halibut?

[sleek wigeon]

Imagine a star cannon

Now imagine instead of using stars it uses musket balls

And scales based on progression

[still sluice]

...

Damn

But

The progression

Is how many time ot bosses

Or*

[sleek wigeon]

It gets a damage multiplier in hardmode

and another damage multiplier post ml

[ruby cobalt]

How many bosses?

All of them.

[still sluice]

So

If youre lucky enough

Could you get it pre ks?

I mean

[ruby cobalt]

"if"
Ye, you just sit in Abyss for 3 hours.

[still sluice]

King slime?

But how many dmg it deals

The same if you get it posr skeletron

[sleek wigeon]

10 damage x 20 bullets per shot

Thats for all of pre hm

[ruby cobalt]

Isn't it 25-35?

[sleek wigeon]

uh maybe?

[wicked swift]

why don't we just

[sleek wigeon]

Im not sure

[wicked swift]

!wiki halibut cannon

[ruby cobalt]

Average was 30 iirc.

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Halibut_Cannon
Not the correct result? Use !wiki page halibut cannon for a direct link or !wiki search halibut cannon for a list of all hits.

[still sluice]

I could see the wiki

Im in mobile rn

This sucks

[sleek wigeon]

Basicly

Its OP

[ruby cobalt]

You point at it and it dies.

[still sluice]

You dont even have to pint it

You give it a stare

[hybrid veldt]

My friend can't use it because it is laggy

[still sluice]

How laggy

[sleek wigeon]

Why does lag matter if your enemies are dead?

Also

[hybrid veldt]

Halibut and verium on a laptop laggy

[sleek wigeon]

Lets move this convo

out of this chat

[still sluice]

Will do

[marsh gust]

Cloud S.
(cloud staff) im bad with names forgive me

Summons a cluster of clouds (3-5) at the player which then moves through blocks leaving vilethorn effect(half of base damage) behind and move towards the cursor's click. Clouds linger for 1 second at the clicked place. (note this will not be a sentry instead a main weapon used actively)

Crafted from : Shaderain staff/Crimson Rod, Aqua Scepter, (maybe vilethorn)
Reason : To have another mage weap to face WoF with

yes/no?

[wicked swift]

I don't really get why it has such a corruption-themed crafting recipe

[ashen warren]

I like the idea, maybe make it craftable with either of the evil-themed raincloud weapons to make sure it's not arbitrary based on worldgen?

[marsh gust]

o ye

truth be told i forgot whats the weap's name 😅 lemme search it up

[ashen warren]

why would a user pick this over night/carnage ray?

[marsh gust]

its different, giving player more choices to play with instead of being locked into one weap

[ashen warren]

fair enough

[elder kestrel]

@ashen warren is this a meme suggestion

[ashen warren]

nope

it actually is absolutely broken

i got it prehardmode

and didnt need any other weapon

[worthy fiber]

You could uuuhhhh

[hollow shell]

You haven't even used its nerfed version yet

you can't say to nerf it even more

[ashen warren]

wdym

[hollow shell]

It's being nerfed

[worthy fiber]

#changelogs 👀

[elder kestrel]

@golden shoal is this a meme suggestion

[ashen warren]

i saw the changelogs

[hollow shell]

next update

[elder kestrel]

Test version, yea

[ashen warren]

ohhh that is not released

i see

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[elder kestrel]

Should I remove it, rover?

[hollow shell]

He can.

[ashen warren]

i have removed it

[elder kestrel]

Oh yea, thanks

[ashen warren]

👌

[hollow shell]

Also smh Alphi don't assume the worst
low effort ≠ meme

[elder kestrel]

(Rover should I remove the buff butcher one?)

[hollow shell]

Do

Because we pinged him a few times and he didn't respond

[elder kestrel]

I associate everything hailbut cannon in this server with memes now

[hollow shell]

Cept it wasn't a Halibut Cannon suggestion, it was Butcher . _.

[elder kestrel]

Ohhhhh I thought by butcher he meant the butcher tool, not the weapon

Sorry lol

[worthy fiber]

[ashen warren]

I mean, the weapon could probably use a buff. Just a... well thought out and worded one. I might give the gun some time in the saddle to get a feel for it and maybe drop something after I'm properly informed

[elder kestrel]

Neat!

[ashen warren]

I love seeing suggestions get openly discussed, especially in a server with such active moderation and dev interaction. Calamity's already soaked up a lot of my time, so I figure if I can't give back financially then I'll at least try and help make the dev's jobs easier or the player's experiences better ❤

[elder kestrel]

Awww, thanks so much ❤

[radiant meadow]

hmm, that sounds kind of op almost since you can get it predog

skipping phase 1 and the sentinels is huge

while good for farming purposes like the on in Calamity Add-on, it isn't good for the boss fight itself

Chippy is going to have to deal with it like the rest of us

[ashen warren]

Agreed there

[marsh gust]

i think his point is to make chippy's life easier by skipping the first phase entirely xd

[ashen warren]

I gathered as much, but I agree that it actually fits pretty well in the add-on because it's most useful as a debugging item

[radiant meadow]

pretty sure the Calamity addon one is post dog too

[supple moon]

than get ready for another really op idea

[ruby cobalt]

Just get stabbed by Cosmic Plushie, lol.

[radiant meadow]

you need to be named Terry though

[ashen warren]

No

[ruby cobalt]

Surprisingly enough that "get stabbed by Plushie" isn't the issue here.

[ashen warren]

Shadowspec is verboten.

[ruby cobalt]

Shadowspec - disqualified.

[supple moon]

y

[ashen warren]

dev tier

[supple moon]

ooo

[radiant meadow]

post scal stuff is generally not acceptable

[supple moon]

ok

[ashen warren]

plus why even suggest post scal stuff, there's nothing to ever do with it lul

Least not until at least a couple updates

@supple moon what the "secret of all souls" does?

[supple moon]

all of the soul artifacts combined

[ashen warren]

Also you cant use shadowspec bars in your suggestion because its a dev material

Yeah we went over that already

If its post scal, you can suggest a material and use it in your suggestion

[supple moon]

then how about a shitload of nightmarefuel and endothermmic thingamajug

[radiant meadow]

then you could get it immediately and render the godly soul artifact as just a crafting step

kind of like how silva once was

[ashen warren]

endothermmic thingamajug?

[supple moon]

the frost moon one

[ashen warren]

do you mean Endothermic Energy?

[supple moon]

yee

[quiet abyss]

Shadowspec Bars? That's a nope right there
Item suggestions with shadowspec bars are not allowed

[ashen warren]

yeye

[radiant meadow]

wow, the third person to say that

[quiet abyss]

Also, please do clarify what the item actually does, even if it should be obvious

[ashen warren]

An item that does nothing

what would help said british dude is actually trying to dodge the boss instead of just running away from it

I will say I have a pretty good run of it when I try to dodge the initial pass and then wait for him to coil and RoD out

[ancient dragon]

Judging by the recipe, I'd imagine it would combine the effects of all 3 souls.

Which is a colossal no.

[ashen warren]

Yeah, he cleared it up in this channel

[ancient dragon]

Oh, goody.

[ruby cobalt]

Doesn't make it any less of a no

[ashen warren]

Well yeah, that's obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together in the cubicle hastily labelled "R&D"

[supple moon]

i eddited it a bunch

[fierce iris]

@supple moon make the worm need cosmilite and you've got a got a good idea

[ashen warren]

combining three soul artifacts would be epic meme

30% uncappped damage and 15% critical and velocity for throwing in one accessory

[radiant meadow]

would save a slot or 2 for throwers and summoners

[ashen warren]

as well as double nugget

[radiant meadow]

give extra bonuses to all others

[ashen warren]

so yeah thats wildly op and is probably a no

[ancient dragon]

It'd break the whole balance, that's what it would.

[quiet abyss]

The idea of the suggestion itself is already kinda meh:
3 soul artifacts together would mean:
-15% damage and crit, but receive 25% more damage
-2 free chicken nuggets
-A bunch of stats that Eldritch give
And then there's the recipe
The recipe right now also looks massively overdone
200 of bloodstone, phantoplasm, nightmare fuel and endothermic energy?

What is this, Apotheosis 2: Accessory Boogaloo?

[radiant meadow]

Is it as bad as old auric though?

that cost a ton of mats iirc

[quiet abyss]

No, definitely not

But it still is quite overdone

[radiant meadow]

enough for me to stick with god slayer that one time

[ashen warren]

what was the old auric recipe?

[quiet abyss]

It was...a grind

[radiant meadow]

think current mats times 10

[quiet abyss]

^

[ashen warren]

oh boy

[ruby cobalt]

Something along the lines of 1500 of each moon mat.

[ashen warren]

10 psychotic amulets

[radiant meadow]

not the accessories and armor >.<

[ashen warren]

1500 alone would take forever

glad i missed that then

[ruby cobalt]

Accessories were the same, anything stackable was x10

[radiant meadow]

don't forget the cores of calamity and bar of life grind

[ruby cobalt]

Yup.

[quiet abyss]

Oh god no...
Over 70 cores of calamity

[sleek wigeon]

...why would you ever skip dog phase 1?

[ruby cobalt]

5 of each core into one core of clamtit.

[sleek wigeon]

Phase 1's the easy phase lol

[ashen warren]

i can sorta see wanting to skip it

[supple moon]

@sleek wigeon farming

[sleek wigeon]

But why though? post dog you just

[ashen warren]

its easy enough that its tedious to do that and the sentinels if your trying to beat it

[sleek wigeon]

kick the fucker

And he dies

[quiet abyss]

We all had to deal with it, so Chippy has too
No seriously though, after you beat DoG once and get a post-DoG weapon or two you pretty much wreck DoG by then

[ashen warren]

only people it would be useful for are no hitters looking to practice and chippy

and all chippy needs to do is learn a dodging manuver besides run in lines back and forth

[radiant meadow]

I mean skipping Signus' cosmic mines sounds pretty hot

[supple moon]

also i hve a potato pc

[sleek wigeon]

Isnt phase 2 more intensive?

[radiant meadow]

yes 0.o

[ashen warren]

well than whyd you only lag on phase 1 term

[quiet abyss]

He has chrome open and decides to close it at Void

[ashen warren]

:yourdidit:

[quiet abyss]

Which then cause a lot of lag for a bit while chrome is closing

[ashen warren]

i saw that at void lmao

[supple moon]

oh god ... what hav i done ... ive set the chat ablaze

[quiet abyss]

What? This is normal chat speed when discussing suggestions

[radiant meadow]

I thought void would be acceptable since void is supposed to be easy

[quiet abyss]

You're new to this server/channel ain't you?

[radiant meadow]

Ignore random laser deaths I had during sw and signus fights

[ashen warren]

why did you even have chrome open in the first place though

unepic smh

[supple moon]

///

[radiant meadow]

I was watching chippy's vid and forgot to close it

[supple moon]

... i didnt

[radiant meadow]

I wanted to see him give doggo a hug.

[ashen warren]

i sorta get that

nothing makes you feel better about failing than watching someone else fail even more spectacularly

[radiant meadow]

it was first try today too

if it was say second try, stuff like chrome would've been closed

ngl, I was worried about being dq'd over aegis dash more

[quiet abyss]

Maybe we should move to #calamity-mod-talk now

[radiant meadow]

probably

[ruby cobalt]

What?

[sleek wigeon]

Im not sure thats even possible

ngl

And if it is

Its out of calamitys scope

Would be much better as a seperate mod

[ruby cobalt]

Let's just touch the entire equipping system for no apparent reason.

Sounds like a wonderful addition that won't ever go wrong.

[lost agate]

Or you could, equip for a split second and see?

Or not having it in social??

[sleek wigeon]

Hey man, sometimes you want to be able to compare things and switch out stuff easily

Or wanna see what something does without equipping it

[worthy fiber]

Why would this be in Calamity

[lost agate]

Ikr

Heck, make a mod for that

So.... Ummm.... Can we turn calamity into a QoL mod please?

[worthy fiber]

[lost agate]

Use antisocial smh

[spark flax]

just right click on and off the two armor you're comparing

since right click sets it from inventory to equipped and back

bam instant stat comparisons

doesn't work with set bonuses but really you can just look them up if you want

honestly even at double health double crit damage blood pact still sucks

it's still taking up an inventory slot for essentially no gain

and even if you're taking double damage but have double health you're still worse off because you're still healing the same rate as before so that extra health doesn't mean much

[lost agate]

Ok hold on

There

[ruby cobalt]

Uh, Shucks.

There's a thing you might wanna know - you hit Rev's regen cap pre-WoF.

[lost agate]

.... Fuck

Im out of ideas

Guess blood pact will always be bad

[spark flax]

honestly i've been brainstorming blood pact revamp ideas for a while but its hard to do without completely changing it

[ruby cobalt]

Keep it as 2x, allow enemies to crit you for 1.5x.

[lost agate]

Maybe thats better

[ruby cobalt]

Makes it better, stays true to its spirit of giving you more health with a drawback, makes it suck less.

[spark flax]

ye, that sounds much more reasonable imo

[lost agate]

Imma rewrite it

[spark flax]

better than the beta idea i had, which amongst other things gave all your weapons Nullification Pistol-esque life drain

[arctic wren]

lucipo would DM abilities include dog instant kill

presumably not

[ruby cobalt]

Ye.

That is one of his DM abilities.

[lost agate]

DM wof with no rage/adren? Fuck no

[tired haven]

Yeah, actually this mode would be new hardest mode as you have no rev exclusives and stuff

[lost agate]

No cryo derping skip?

[tired haven]

(Now only to move it to normal and woala)

[fierce iris]

hot take tho, stat inflation is not good difficulty game design

[tired haven]

talks in kekspert mode which is mostly double/double stats

[sleek wigeon]

Death was always supposed to be an endurance chalenge

Hence, making the fights longer and allowing fewer mistakes in long fights makes sense

Of course, adren kinda spits in the face of that

[fierce iris]

adren was sort of "demonstrate mastery and we'll let you speed this up" since marathon fights get boring if you're too good

note how speedrunners hate cycle based boss fights in other games

[tired haven]

Cycles in general* but yes

[teal shoal]

better that than rng

tbh

[sleek wigeon]

Speedrunners hate cycles because it forces them to wait , killing the flow

[teal shoal]

at least you can control it

[sleek wigeon]

Not because its nessacarily boring

or easy

[fierce iris]

well i meant autoscroller bosses but yee cycles are bad too

[lost agate]

You wanna take away my prime nohit strat ?

[sleek wigeon]

That sounds more like a nerf to astral armor

Grav pot effect is really annoying to deal with

Maybe if it flipped gravity without flipping the screen

[spark flax]

charred armor
brimrose mount

Something isn't adding up here.

(hint: brimrose only drops from brimmy when rematched post-providence)

also

no stat boosts apart from defense
ability is a shittier version of Turtle Armor

Why.

seriously that's the least impressive set of armor i've ever seen and i once farmed for an entire set of miner's armor

[ashen warren]

For your information, refined charred ore is an unholy core so the armor would actually be called "Unholy armor"

And Lilith already said that it's basically terrible

[spark flax]

like i dont hate the idea of an Unholy Core armor given that said unholy cores aren't used for too much, but like

it'd need a hell of a lot more detail than this

[ashen warren]

Oops forgot to ping

@crude flume Hey there's feedback for you

smh at these low quality suggestions

[spark flax]

lumnyl

it has the sprite of eidolon wyrm, HOW COULD ANYONE RESIST STARRING IT

[ashen warren]

Since we've got the different ore armor tiers with 5 helmets I think it would be nice if there were sole class armor-sets for variety

Melee for perf and magic for hive or early HM throwing for before daedalus et cet

An unholy core armor could be summon themed

[spark flax]

oooh tru

also honestly with all the low quality suggestions at this point i'm tempted to go into suggestions and post this:

"Suggestion to many, many people in this chat (there's a similar thing pinned in discussions but none of the people who should see this are probably gonna read there):
Please proofread your suggestions before posting, and PLEASE post them in discussions to get feedback and see what people think.
If you're not going to put any more than 10 seconds or so of thinking into your suggestion, do you really expect it to be a suggestion worth the devs adding to the game?"

but part of me feels like even if such a thing got pinned they'd still not read the pins even in that chat lmao

"materials flairon, lumnyl, void stone, ecoplasm"

ecoplasm, the drop of the unholy Plantera/Polterghast amalgamation okay i'll stop now

but damn now you've got me thinking about potential armor effects for an Unholy Core set

wasn't there already a Perforator and Hive Mind armor set designed that got 50+ likes also?

[faint rivet]

Pretty sure there was one

[gritty kiln]

It might have been poorly worded but the Flairon is perhaps my favourite vanilla weapon, I'd like an "upgrade" of sorts rather than just yet another Solar Eruption clone. Since most other flail types fall off around that point anyway

[ashen warren]

The problem is that you need to get wayy too close to (in dm anyway) an insta-kill DoG or something similar

Kills you too fast to be viable unless it was brokenly op

[gritty kiln]

I mean my usual strategy with the flairon was a retreating approach, letting the lingering bubbles home in. It's riskier with DoG because of the erratic speed changes but if you increased either the range or the time the projectiles remained it could potentially be useful.

[spark flax]

i feel like a late game flail could be neat but it'd have to have good range or projectile spam

personally i'd prefer the former, i like melee weapons that actually feel,, melee-ish

instead of Laser Swords

flails re basically true melee, right?

[ashen warren]

Providence is fine for flails due to size of hitbox however your first issues arise right around polter and sentinels due to the almighty circle not being so viable anymore

[gritty kiln]

I found it easier to circle Polterghast than Providence to be honest, but my Dungeon arena was huge. The Seven Seas Devastator from Thorium I remember being a perfectly viable Flairon clone of sorts a decent way into post-ML Calamity and other mods. That said if there was some way to create a more viable option for DoG and onwards without turning it into an fps killer that'd be preferable.

[ashen warren]

Circling kinda stops around ML, what I meant was that it's not so bad for providence but it becomes an issue after her for 90% of weapon types

[shadow prism]

Three completely unrelated ideas:
Make it so 1 Exodium Cluster can be crafted into 2 Luminite ore and vice verse at an ancient manipulator, so you have more Luminite after defeating ML once so you don’t have to kill him again immediately after killing him the first time to get gear, and it makes Exodium Clusters renewable in case they get a purpose besides soul artifacts in a future update.
—————
Devoumere
Fires homing eaters to devour foes
Made from 1 meowmere + 5 cosmilite bars + 5 phantoplasm at a Draedon’s forge

It’s basically meowmere but it fires scourge of the cosmos-style mini-devourers that bounce twice before disappearing, but are affected by gravity less than SotC’s.

Gives meowmere a dog-themed upgrade and makes post DoG melee a bit more viable.
—————
Reaper Pepper
It seems spicy
Made from 1 fireblossom + 1 deathweed + 1 essence of chaos at a cooking pot

(Food) Eating it grants the following buff for 5 minutes:
Spice
You feel invigorated by the heat
Increased damage and crit chance
Grants 5% increased damage and crit chance, this bypasses the rev+ cap.
However, eating it also inflicts On Fire! onto you for Spice’s duration and inflicts Horror for 30 seconds.

Serves as a high-risk, high-reward item and adds another food to calamity.

[ashen warren]

How long does spice last? also spice should be a dune reference tbh

[shadow prism]

5 minutes

[spark flax]

gotta say i like the exodium idea

Spice sounds like fun

[ashen warren]

nvm there it is, don't mind me it's 3am where I am

A voremere sounds.. interesting

[gritty kiln]

Devoumere is nice as well, probably because the Excelsus is so awful that another sword would improve your options

[shadow prism]

Yeah, post DoG melee is tbh

[ashen warren]

That exodium cluster suggestion is a bit strong however I think you're onto something there

Maybe.. 15 clusters to the luminite bar? mostly because they're so abundant

[shadow prism]

it should be ore because descriptions

but yeah maybe like 1:2

changed it

[ashen warren]

Specify whether it's an ore or a bar just for clarity

[shadow prism]

done

[ashen warren]

Very nice

Like all those ideas spice should still be a dune reference though

[shadow prism]

could also be an EtG reference

[ashen warren]

EtG is a dune reference lol

From EtG wiki "This item is a reference to Dune. Spice is a highly addictive drug that gives heightened awareness and considerably increased longevity, but withdrawal is fatal."

[shadow prism]

I’m not really familiar with dune

still, nice idea

it’s currently a reference to real-life spicyboi aka Carolina Reaper Pepper

spice is the buff it grants

[ashen warren]

I haven't read the series but I plan to

Dune from what I've heard has influenced a LOT of sci-fi stuff throughout the years

[spark flax]

me: "okay i'm going to sleep now"
me, not five minutes later: "OH GOD I JUST CAME UP WITH AN ABSURD IDEA AND I HAVE TO WRITE IT DOWN BEFORE I SLEEP AND FORGET"

presenting for your consideration

possibly the worst best idea i've had here yet

Plasma FlailYo
Is it a flail or a yoyo? Let's find out!
Right click to throw a powerful flail

What it does: Left click throws out a blue ectoplasmic yoyo that summons homing spirits around it that chase down nearby enemies. Right clicking, however, makes it throw out a red phantoplasmic flail that moves slowly but reaches far further than the yoyo and explodes on impact, sending out phantoplasm bolts in a radial spread when it does. The flail ignores invincibility frames, but not the yoyo.

How it's made: Blue Moon + Valor + 10 Ectoplasm + 10 Phantoplasm + 2 Ruinous Souls @ Ancient Manipulator

Why it should be added: Both yoyos and flails are underappreciated weapon types that are in desperate need of good weapons. And they're both orb-like weapons on tethers, so why not combine them? Both left- and right-click serve different purposes: Left click for dealing with nimble opponents and right-click for range or to dish out big damage but at a less controllable risk. The Dungeon theming is because both Valor and Blue Moon are dungeon chest rewards, and putting it at Polterghast tier makes sense (also gives more uses for Ruinous Souls).

all feedback seriously welcomed because i legitimately can't tell if this is a terrible idea or an actually good one

...but i'll read it later b/c im gonna sleep for now, later nerds ily all ❤

[shadow prism]

ruinous souls are armor only

you can’t really combine a flail and yoyo

[worthy fiber]

We can change that 🤔

[shadow prism]

why is ectoplasm in a post ml recipe

sorry if I’m being harsh, I just adhere religiously to current crafting “rules”

[fierce iris]

for the T H E M E

[worthy fiber]

Ectoplasm and Phantoplasm

[shadow prism]

phantoplasm is reserved for post dog

[worthy fiber]

There's a blue yoyo and a red flail

Eldritch Soul Artifact

Phantom Heart

[shadow prism]

those are exceptions

and they’re not weapons

[sleek wigeon]

hol up

[worthy fiber]

They aren't strictly reserved

[sleek wigeon]

since when the fuck is phantoplasm reserved for post dog?

[shadow prism]

since almost every post dog weapon

[worthy fiber]

It's not reserved, it's just used frequently post-dog

There's a difference

[shadow prism]

the only pre dog things are phantom heart, eldritch and bloodstone cores

[sleek wigeon]

Seadragon

Apparently

[shadow prism]

one of which is a power up, one of which is a material and one of which is a very unique accessory

idk about seadragon

[sleek wigeon]

Yeah sea dragon uses it

[spark flax]

i'm always one to go with theme over crafting "rules" given that they're not really rules at all

but i might rewrite it tomorrow to make it, idk Ceaseless Void themed instead

that's still dungeon

and it'd work well because iirc Aether's Whisper is also a weapon made from voidy's drop, and thats another genre bending weapon

[shadow prism]

yeah CV would work pretty well

[spark flax]

anyways ye thenk u for your critique~!

[low hedge]

making post dog melee viable

is it not already

[neon panther]

Meowmore better

[low hedge]

woofwere

[neon panther]

yes

[livid coral]

Sword of Dog

[low hedge]

it does the toby dog sound when swung

[tired haven]

infinity waifu
It is 6.9/10 probability to be a meme suggestion

[tulip parcel]

"Brimstone Elemental, I don't feel so good"

[low hedge]

more along the lines of 6.9/42.0

[sleek wigeon]

Thats not a high probability

[low hedge]

you're not a high probability

[sleek wigeon]

Bulli :(

[hollow shell]

High enough effort and good enough reasoning to be starred

only thing remotely memey about it is the semi-weird name

[tulip parcel]

What if the infinity waifu shot afterimages of each waifu

Like they’re alternating attacks

[night cradle]

@shadow prism I had same idea for these but with Mech's souls.
Signus = Fright
CV = Sight
Storm Weaver = Might

[shadow prism]

that doesn’t make much sense tho

[tulip parcel]

Aren’t souls super irrelevant by that point

[shadow prism]

and you can just use draedon’s remote + armageddon and you’re set for the game

[night cradle]

That's why I havent suggested it Vorbis.

[alpine garnet]

by that point, just nuke mechs

mech souls are ez

[worn bay]

The "infinity waifu" name was just to get the idea across, i could've just as easily called it a "super-waifu" or "elemental waifu" or whatever but "infinity" gets the idea of "its many different things in one" . It's not really a meme suggestion, blame the fact that the game literally calls them waifus lol
(sorry for late response, i was in class)

[tulip parcel]

How about a heart elemental of some kind?

Because 1. It’s a heart of the elements

2. Captain Planet reference

Or is that too memey as well

[worn bay]

I mean, it would make sense given the context. Some sort of "spirit" elemental capable of using the abilities of all 5 other elementals would make sense and be significantly better imo

[fervent zealot]

ew that astral idea

nerf astral while buffing daedalus more??? no thanks

gravity flip is despised because it flips the screen

[radiant meadow]

doesn't it buff astral and nerf daedalus?

[fervent zealot]

not really

less accidental screen flips = stronger daedalus

if gravity were tweaked again then it would be a buff

[radiant meadow]

that's pretty opinionated as some people are good with gravity
especially during boss fights, the difference between gravity pot and gravity globe is pretty big

maybe it would be a better option to give daedalus togglable gravity

[round falcon]

or just not give daedalus grav toggle at all, make its set bonus just a stats up or smth else

[tired haven]

Fun fact: daedalus gravity flip is not set bonus

(it is helmet ability)\

[halcyon tree]

Yo do you guys think that campfires are even very helpful in arenas in the super late game

I was thinking there could be some greater version of campfires and heart lanterns that you could make if you combine a normal one with like a galactica singularity or something that boosts your life regen even more or maybe some other effect

Just something to make them more worthwhile

[ruby cobalt]

If you consider it - remember that Rev HP regen cap exists.

[halcyon tree]

Oh yikes

Never realized that

[ruby cobalt]

Other than that - sure, go ahead.

[hollow shell]

Well that is just Rev

(and Death)

[halcyon tree]

Maybe other stat increases too, like damage, movement speed, something like that

[ruby cobalt]

Yeah, I'm just putting it into perspective.

This thing exists, so yeah, keep it in mind.

[halcyon tree]

Do you know what the cap is?

[ruby cobalt]

Those are all the caps.

Hint-hint: you can hit most of them pre-Cryo.

[hollow shell]

It is a soft cap, though
so the life regen will still have an effect past that point

[ruby cobalt]

Yeah, I got up to 21 pre-Mechs.

That's with all the buffs though.

[hollow shell]

(which is actually like 18.5 after calculations)

[ruby cobalt]

(I dunno, I was doing the reading from AlchNPC's tool)

[hollow shell]

o

[ruby cobalt]

I might need to check the source for it though.

[halcyon tree]

Hmm

Maybe a bonus for each class

Like for melee it boosts swing speed and projectile velocity by 10%, ranger it boosts bow/gun use time and bullet velocity by 10%, mage it decreases mana usage and increases life steal by 10% (if no life steal is on the weapon it could just add some amount of life steal), thrower it could do something similar to ranger and increase damage by like 12%, summoner could increase your amount of summon slot things by 2 and increase your minion damage or something

Idk just coming up with stuff off the top of my head I'm sure someone with more knowledge of the stats in Terraria and the various modes of Calamity could come up with something better and more balanced than I could

[ruby cobalt]

Out of all those boosts Mage and Summoner seem like the most stupid ones.

Mage due to lifesteal on everything and Summoner due to minion slots that are going to go away and despawn your minions if you leave the area.

[halcyon tree]

Oh yeah

[tulip parcel]

Yeah lifesteal is... pretty strong

[halcyon tree]

I forgot to take into account what would happen if you leave the campfire area

I always forget how good lifesteal is now that the vampire knives are not very good anymore due to the big nerf it had back in the day

Like I said I'm not very knowledgeable about stats in this game/mod so I would not be able to come up with good ideas for these boosts

[ruby cobalt]

Lifesteal's still a decent boost, but not as a 10%.

Imagine pulling that shit on Alpha Ray.

[halcyon tree]

Never used that weapon but judging by what you said it would probably be crazy with lifesteal

[ruby cobalt]

Basically imagine 3 rays ignoring iframes that hit everything once per frame.

60 hits per second or so.

[halcyon tree]

Yikes

[ruby cobalt]

!wiki Alpha Ray

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Alpha_Ray

[ruby cobalt]

If you wanna look at it in action.

[halcyon tree]

dam

[crimson cove]

The bread getter

[ruby cobalt]

@ocean spire any meme suggestion

[ocean spire]

Fine sorry

[ruby cobalt]

Delete before warns are handed out.

Ye ok, you're in the clear now.

[fierce iris]

not actually a terrible idea tho

[dull kite]

no ! drh!

kill everyone

[ruby cobalt]

No I won't.

Only the finest of brainlets deserve my hammer.

[dull kite]

then ill kill him for you

[opaque anvil]

How's this for a suggestion:
Q-26 Space Modulator
Unlike the Q-36 Space Modulator, the Q-26 was designed for planetary usage, and therefor contains 1/1,000,000th of the explosive yield of the Q-36 model. It is, however, still perfectly servicable as a terraforming aid, providing one is of course not so foolish as to throw it. One might use this for removing a particular bothersome landmass interrupting ones leisure sailing.

[hollow shell]

wtf

[tulip parcel]

btw i hope I'm not like

spamming suggestions

[opaque anvil]

...It's a looney tunes reference and I noticed that calamity doesn't appear to ahve an option for rapidly removing a huge chunk of tiles.

[hollow shell]

You probably should slow down a bit, let a few suggestions in in-between
but yours are pretty concise, you're good atm

[tulip parcel]

okay I'll slow it down for now

though I'm pretty proud of "moonlord greatsword"

[hollow shell]

If I could suggest something, Astinasha
is
to actually state its usage and obtainability as an in-game item primarily
and save any lore/reference stuff for a tooltip

instead of wording the whole thing like one

[opaque anvil]

.... Actually, nevermind. I don't think that could end well, having that in the game.

[hollow shell]

lol okay

Also btw
Mortar Rounds

[tulip parcel]

you could always try a more direct reference

like

[alpine garnet]

galactic reformer?

[tulip parcel]

"Acme TNT"
"May negatively affect local coyotes"

[opaque anvil]

Galactic reformer is from a different mod.

[spark flax]

oof shockstorm is only 5 likes away from 50,,

also i revamped the flailyo idea i had

Aetheric Vortex
Half flail, half yoyo, all awesome
Right click to throw a powerful flail

What it does: Left click throws out a yoyo resembling a Cosmic Lantern that summons homing fireballs around it that chase down nearby enemies. Right clicking, however, makes it throw out a large flail resembling Ceaseless Void that moves slowly but reaches far further than the yoyo and explodes on impact, dealing heavy damage. The flail ignores invincibility frames, but not the yoyo.

How it's made: Blue Moon + Sunfury + Valor + Hel-Fire + 1 Twisting Nether + 1 Dark Plasma @ Ancient Manipulator

Why it should be added: Both yoyos and flails are underappreciated weapon types that are in desperate need of good weapons. And they're both orb-like weapons on tethers, so why not combine them? Both left- and right-click serve different purposes: Left click for dealing with nimble opponents and right-click for range or to dish out big damage but at the cost of being less controllable. The weapon theming is because it's similar to the Aether's Whisper in the concept of being multiple weapon types, and because both Underworld and Dungeon have both a biome-specific flail and yoyo weapon.

thoughts?

'78 - Added something neat near the bottom of the Abyss. - Done'

MMM I REMEMBER SOMEONE POSTING A SUGGESTION LIKE THIS, NICE

[hollow shell]

Many suggestions have been posted of that variety

[spark flax]

oh, okay!
now i'm really excited to see what's been added...

hhh this new update looks so sick so far, i can't wait

[little raptor]

i'm the only who miss the old Supreme / omega healing potions sprites ?

[hollow shell]

They weren't very
creative

[little raptor]

but the new ones looks too ... strange

i dunno

[radiant meadow]

the new ones look nicer although they're different

[heady comet]

Great reason!

[little raptor]

doesn't look like healing potions

[hollow shell]

That yoyo-bag thing has been suggested and accepted before

but like

3 months ago

so

[tulip parcel]

I really like that "Half yoyo half flail" idea

[spark flax]

thank you! i feel like both weapons deserve more love, there's basically no post-moonlord flails unless you count the Morningstar-alikes, and MOST of the yoyos in calamity frankly suck ass, so

[tulip parcel]

Yeah I'd agree with that sentiment. One of my friends coming over from vanilla to calamity commented that there aren't any good yoyos in calamity, throwing a bone to more weapon types is a good idea

and not just shortswords

why, shortswords, why do you exist

[hollow shell]

funn

[spark flax]

how dare you insult shortswords

honestly i really like shortswords but i DO wish they didn't end up just being another projectile-launching sword because in that they kind of end up being very similar to regular swords later game where projectiles is god and if you want to use the stabby part of shortswords you're better off just going tru melee

that's why imo the coolest shortsword in the game is Lucrecia

has projectiles but require you get up close to use, more unique than just 'sword what shoots projectile', shortsword is actually reasonably large and rewards you for blade hits

[radiant meadow]

Lucrecia is a shortsword?

[spark flax]

ye

it does the sideways stabby

[tulip parcel]

What if there was a shortsword that did massive damage but only had the copper shortsword hitbox. Like, no projectiles or hitbox extension, nothing

[hollow shell]

hhehehehehe

[tulip parcel]

I'm talking like "viable for SC"

[radiant meadow]

I thought it was just night's stabber components and it's upgrades, and scourge drops

[tulip parcel]

damage

[spark flax]

ye, the Lucrecia is the only shortsword afaict that breaks that pattern

it's pretty fun and i'd recommend trying it out sometime if you haven't already

[radiant meadow]

when do you get it?

[spark flax]

its recipe is 1 Core of Calamity + 5 bars of life + 5 souls of light + 5 souls of night

[radiant meadow]

ah so post golem

[spark flax]

yup

but yeah it stabs like a shortsword but about the size of a regular sword, fires vilethorn-esque beams towards where you point your cursor, and has a 50% chance to give you a scant few i-frames if you hit enemies with the sword proper

[radiant meadow]

in Calamity?

you sure it's not imkSushi?

[heady comet]

they are

[radiant meadow]

well, I guess it makes sense since I only do them once post dog

[shadow prism]

I’m dumb

Still feel like it would be nice just as a small change

[ashen warren]

Luiafk mod adds this things

[shadow prism]

Should I delete it

[radiant meadow]

I mean, at post dog, 25 gold is nothing

just kill dog for like 10 platinum

[shadow prism]

Deleted

[ashen warren]

just kill profaned guardians for 2 platinum

2 platinum = 8 pumpkin moon medalions/naughty presents
2 platinum = 4 pumpkin moon medalions and 4 naughty presents

[neon panther]

@frosty kindle we got a brainlet over here or is that a legit suggestion hmmm im not sure

[brave warren]

he should atleast give reasons why

[neon panther]

I mean we don't even know how badly they were nerfed

[radiant meadow]

he doesn't even know what the nerfs are

[neon panther]

it might not be that bad at all

[hollow wedge]

nerfed accessories = unnerfed gets buffed

deal with it

yes

[frosty kindle]

no, i wiped it

@ashen warren you're too vague about your suggestion. if you want accessories to not be nerfed, then give some good detail about your reason why.

[lost agate]

You know, i wanted to suggest some improvements to astral armor, but i dont even know if astral rework includes that

So... I'll wait

[hollow shell]

Actually
feel free

I'd like to hear these ideas

[sinful violet]

astral armor is the same iirc

[lost agate]

Ok, gimme a minute

[sinful violet]

i just mostly want to change it to be class specific

[hollow shell]

Ehh naah I feel like it works as The Classless Armor

for Hardmode that is

[round falcon]

screw class specific
this post was made by the classless armor gang

[hollow wedge]

[hollow shell]

We do need more class specific armors just
not at the cost of an all-classer

[hollow wedge]

i prefer classless armor as well tho

[round falcon]

we need more classless armor tbh

[heady comet]

Revert astral armour nerf

[round falcon]

xeroc is where it ends and iirc thats only viable for thrower

[hollow wedge]

ye..

but if theres a classless armor at SCal tier, will that mean the unholy combo still works? cough voltaic immaterialiser cough

[round falcon]

no.

[hollow shell]

An idea I've had for a while is making new armor sets on the same tier as a different one, and giving 2 or 3 class helmets to that new one and leave the remaining on the old
Like, a new Abyss armor would be implemented Post-Golem somehow, and it'd have Ranger Summoner and Throwing helmets, while Ataxia keeps its Magic and Melee helmets

[round falcon]

Alternatively, unholy dual class armors like Frost and Forbidden

[hollow wedge]

which never got used over titanium

[round falcon]

i used frost over titanium

[alpine garnet]

[round falcon]

screw titanium meme get good or get out

[hollow wedge]

i normally beat cryo with pre-hm armor n go for daedalus anyways

[hollow shell]

not so strong anymore

[hollow wedge]

yea ik but its still smthng..

[sinful violet]

oh

godslayer inferno is a little... much

[lost agate]

Well, idk what else would make sense

[sinful violet]

i guess it depends on how long it lasts(?)

unless you keep hitting em

i dunno

[lost agate]

Perhaps

[round falcon]

Anyways, suggestion comprehension. Feel free to use this. Some sort of PHM and HM Auric Tesla style "culmination armor" which would be craftable at the start of the next tier. (Victide, Aerospec, Statigel and then Daedelus, Reaver, Ataxia)

[ashen warren]

quite a significant debuff actually

[lost agate]

Or maybe we could get a new debuff which is basically godslayer but weaker
Like godslayer wrath or something

[hollow shell]

Night's Armor

[hollow wedge]

could just be a 1/100 chance that lasts for 5 sec?

[unique vector]

doesnt godslayer debuff only come from doggo

[ashen warren]

if it's a low rng chance, you'd basically only really want to use it with a wep like p90

[hollow wedge]

^

[ashen warren]

astro slime and astro worms also inflict it pre sure

[lost agate]

@unique vector it comes from astrum and astra slime too

[unique vector]

oh

that doesnt really make sense but ok

[lost agate]

Actually, could we get a debuff thats like cosmic infection or something?

[shadow prism]

astral rework coming this update

don’t suggest astral stuff tbh

[ashen warren]

@lost agate just checked wiki, neither astrum nor the godslayer inferno page state AD applies godslayer

[hollow shell]

Contagious debuff yes mmm

[lost agate]

Dont the balls do tho?

The mines and such

[hollow shell]

Lemme check

[unique vector]

i told ya

[ashen warren]

i'm like 80% sure you can get it in that fight

[hollow shell]

Yepperooni, his mines inflict it for 2-4 seconds

will document

[lost agate]

Oh i was right

Still, idk what to do about astral armor

[shadow prism]

wait for the rework

[lost agate]

Thats what i wanted

But sors asked me to share

[unique vector]

oh

well uh

[shadow prism]

agreed it needs a buff tho

[unique vector]

does this mean i contributed as wiki editor

[hollow shell]

Spoilers
Armor is unchanged in the rework

cept, yknow, how it looks

[vestal stratus]

Personally, one suggestion I think should get more stars is the shockstorm armor suggestion

[shadow prism]

is it really needed tho

[hollow shell]

More armor is always needed

[shadow prism]

new tiers seem pretty hard to implement with the current progression

like you upgrade armor every boss or every other boss

[spark flax]

yea but theres no early hm armor for thrown

you have to go fossil and then MAYBE daedalus but thrown daeda set bonus sucks

[shadow prism]

daedalus helmet and fossil shirt + pants

it works really well with brimblade/ichor spear/spear of paeolith

[hollow shell]

ew mismatching armor

[spark flax]

tbh

i dont like mix and matching armor sets its unintuitive n annoying

[ashen warren]

I just hate missing out on set bonuses

[spark flax]

BIG mood

[ashen warren]

unless that set bonus is current astral armour set bonus

the only "mismatch" I use is Magic Hat, Diamond Robe, and whatever boots suit me. Still get a set bonus, there's just no "official" legs to the set

[spark flax]

and all classes but thrown have early hm options without using bad sets or mismatching so why not add a new set

[vestal stratus]

Yeah

Also it has 49 Stars, which means it’s good enough to get 50

[spark flax]

anyways shockstorm is JUST ONE LIKE AWAY FROM 50.... H

[round falcon]

c:

[vestal stratus]

We got to 50

We did it discord

[spark flax]

WE MADE IT BOIS

THANK U ALL

[lost agate]

Oh it was already suggested

[vestal stratus]

Hold on, can you get Martian conduit plating pre-mech bosses?

[round falcon]

It's an early hm alternative dont think yours wont be submitted

[spark flax]

ye, you can

[round falcon]

Also yes but it could be nerfed to Ada/Titan

[spark flax]

Shockstorm Shuttle

[hollow wedge]

why have i not liked it.. oh wait im on my alt derp

[spark flax]

drops 'em

[vestal stratus]

Oh, so that’s why the armor is called that

[spark flax]

yep. also bc it has frost cores and forbidden fragments in the recipe which fits the storm theming

the Shuttle drops essences of cinder and eleum too, which makes it work even better

[outer marten]

Wulfrite, neat

[heady comet]

How is this possible when wulfrum enemies stop spawning when hardmode is activated

[hollow shell]

Excellent question

[tulip parcel]

we've replaced all calamitas drops with wulfrum

that being said one thing I actually considered suggesting

(didn't end up doing it though)

aerialite wulfrum alloy

[cyan lagoon]

Probably make wulfrum enemies very rare in hm or have a way to craft wulfrum shards with tungsten/silver bars near lava

[tulip parcel]

then again... I dunno

wulfrum is just sort of a thing that's -there- for some reason

there's no real connection or reason for it other than being "better copper"

[heady comet]

There so you dont have to mine

[tulip parcel]

yeah

[cyan lagoon]

Can be said for a lot of things in the mod actually

[outer marten]

I mean Wulfrum is something that you can have a bunch of by the time of HM right?

[tulip parcel]

you -can- have a bunch of it

doesn't mean you will

you know what might be good though

[hollow shell]

Yeah but you'd have to know of the armor's existence ahead of time and farm for it
And if you realize during crafting that you don't have enough, then you literally cannot craft it

[ashen warren]

most people i'd imagine trash it after making what they need with it

[cyan lagoon]

Obviously wulfrum would be made renewable if it were the casr

[hollow shell]

Should include something in your suggestion about that
Or post a new one right after, considering it's only semi-related

[tulip parcel]

what about copper/tin+wulfrum at a mythril anvil = cobalt/palladium?

[hollow shell]

That sounds
very odd

[tulip parcel]

it does, but as it stands there really isn't much use for copper or tin

[cyan lagoon]

There isnt much use for any of the vanilla prehm or hm ores

All of them are way too expensive when calamity makes their alternatives clearly superior

[tulip parcel]

I mean

cobalt/palladium are used to make a couple dungeon things at least

🤷

[hollow shell]

Vanilla ore stuff is expensive as fuck

[tulip parcel]

actually no

I just had a thought

right hear me out

[hollow shell]

ok

[tulip parcel]

what if

[hollow shell]

listinen

[tulip parcel]

hardmode demolitionist

sold pre hardmode ore

[cyan lagoon]

Like the only way to counteract this is to make the calamity ores the same expensiveness as vanillas or nerf them to fit with their tier

[tulip parcel]

and then post moonlord demolitionist

sold hardmode ore

[cyan lagoon]

But that wont likely happen