suggestions-discussion

[shadow prism]

it’s just there’s basically nothing but bosses and the 3 events (frost/pumpkin moon and solar eclipse) after doggo

[gritty crow]

Someone didn’t count slime rain

[shadow prism]

there’s other events but the above 3 are the only ones intended to be done post DoG

anyways, does anyone have feedback on the idea itself

[gritty crow]

Poor slime rain should drop rad slimes post doggo

Your idea is good

[signal ibex]

Slime rain should rain down SLIME KINGS after DoG has been defeated.

[shadow prism]

they’d just die instantly

inventory clutter

[gritty crow]

Slime God

[fervent zealot]

slime rain should rain down astrageldons post ml

[signal ibex]

**Rain down astralgeldon **

Crap you said it first.

[gritty crow]

More like spawn it at the end

Slime god summons astralgeldons instead of the crimson and corruption ones

[opal barn]

Why restrict it to only october

[fervent zealot]

to make people sad

just get rid of the timelock so throwers actually have OPTIONS year round thanks

[signal ibex]

F I N E

[tired haven]

I wonder what is timelocked for thrower

Don't you say npc killers are useful

[signal ibex]

.

What did i do.

[lucid marsh]

My idea I posted earlier is a reference to the new smash bros story mode. It’s those light beam things that spoilers: kill everyone except Kirby

[signal ibex]

Was thinking of a essences of calamity idea, but that would render the other cores useless.

[sleek yew]

alright new suggestion is up

[signal ibex]

Don't flood my suggestions please

[radiant meadow]

what?

[sleek yew]

dont worry i starred both of your suggestions

[lost agate]

And ropes are hard to get?

[signal ibex]

Ropes...... Hard to get??

[lost agate]

Im being sarcastic

[radiant meadow]

We're trying to help those unlucky with pots and not rich enough to attract a merchant

[signal ibex]

Oh nevermind then.

Also shucks that wasnt directed at you

[hollow shell]

@bronze mauve Because that'd make it even more OP than it is, lol

[bronze mauve]

i was thinking

maybe lower rate of fire

but autofire

[hollow shell]

Alright put that in the suggestion

[ashen warren]

I literally always use WeaponOut to make the Voodoo arm. Is giving everything autofire a little op? Maybe sometimes. But I don't need worse tendonitis than I already have

[bronze mauve]

not that it matters, fab never puts suggestions in the game.

[bitter topaz]

he's put a decent amount in recently

[bronze mauve]

really?

[radiant meadow]

I mean, you could just use omniswing if you really want

[bronze mauve]

wut

wuts dat

[radiant meadow]

it's a mod that makes most stuff autofire/swing

[bronze mauve]

cool

but im only using calamity for this run

and alchemistnpc

[bitter topaz]

ye, for example;
43 - Increased length of time between Signus and DoG phase 2 during the DoG fight from 1 second to 10 seconds. - Done
this was a recent suggestion iirc, and one that was implemented

omniswing literally only forces autoswing on everything, nothing else

[bronze mauve]

cool

ill get it

wow quicc download

ayyy

it works

[dense girder]

@stiff robin sigil of calamitas??

[stiff robin]

@dense girder Ya, maybe, I'm not really sure.

[dense girder]

not the sigil of calamitas at the very least

that's already hard to get and used in ethereal talisman

[stiff robin]

I just really listed anything I thought would do with Calamitas

[signal ibex]

They have been covered up.

[high hedge]

@stiff robin it would be pretty cool too if you could upgrade the lore book into an all in one boss summon. For example if you defeated and added Eater of worlds to the book you can now summon it at no cost.

[spark ember]

That's not a good idea, especially since it's a single item, would it summon all at once ot what?

[sleek wigeon]

@sleek yew doesnt rope drop by the hundreds in pots?

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren Pretty sure Mothron doesn't count

[ashen warren]

what

[hollow shell]

Unless you mean you accidentally summoned a boss during an eclipse somehow

[ashen warren]

no like when im fighting scal

sometimes a solar ecplise comes on mid fight

and it makes the brothers have 30 million health

[upper pelican]

huh

weird

[hollow shell]

You should probably suggest a fix for that instead

[upper pelican]

Seems like all bosses need to be protected by this

[ashen warren]

its just excluding certain entities in coding

[hollow shell]

Dude that's like 50 entities

[ashen warren]

like an if statement maybe

no its not

[upper pelican]

wich means the whole system needs to be redone

[ashen warren]

just needs to be post yharon boss minions

[hollow shell]

Nah not the whole system

[upper pelican]

FUN

[ashen warren]

not even close to 50 entities

maybe 5?

[upper pelican]

the whole solar eclipse buff system

[ashen warren]

just set up an if statement type thing so its like if (these 5 entities){
dont
}
Else {
health 60x
}

[hollow shell]

Yeah it wouldn't be a hard fix I'm just wondering if its the best one

[upper pelican]

or just anti-solar eclipse during superbosses's fights

[ashen warren]

or that

[upper pelican]

yeah

[ashen warren]

i added it

[upper pelican]

noice

Wow changelog's being edited

why does this exist

thanks for that edit ❤

[lost agate]

I agree with that

[upper pelican]

staring it

[lost agate]

Its actually a good idea

[upper pelican]

noice

[lost agate]

I mean, i would be annoyed to have a solar eclipse in say, scal, and not being able to remove that buff

[ashen warren]

from experience

yes it would be super fucking annoying

[upper pelican]

ummmmm

[lost agate]

I mean, if they hadnt thought about that already

[upper pelican]

seems like i could be good with sugestions

hey

i'm so good at suggestions

[lost agate]

... frost moons dont spawn naturally

[upper pelican]

oh

i'm stupid

[lost agate]

Neither do pumpkin moons

[upper pelican]

lul

MAKE IT SO THEY SPAWN NATURALLY

jk

I hope i don't get banned

[cyan lagoon]

@upper pelican no

[upper pelican]

lol

[lunar berry]

oof i remember having a 6.5mil health brimstone heart

[lost agate]

Yeah, thats why i believe this suggestion is a must

[sleek wigeon]

Strange plants look just fine smh

Especially with paint

They make great bushes when painted green

@little raptor

The craftable dyes are the best dyes, as well

Animated dyes are almost always ugly

[lunar berry]

yup

[little raptor]

yeah

[waxen swift]

is there a reason the nonconsumable providence spawner was maved to after her?

because if not it should be moved before her again

[lusty idol]

Would be cool to add animated dyes, but I have no idea if they are the easiest task or not.

[hearty yew]

@little raptor Stardust dye exists in vanilla.

!wiki Stardust Dye

whut

LOL

hold on let me try in the wiki channel

alright, got it to work. Check there.

[jovial spire]

Profaned dye would be awesome

[marsh gust]

wulfrum dye xD

[lusty idol]

shadowspec dye

[little raptor]

Plague dye

[lusty idol]

oooh another good one

you should edit your suggestion and put some of these examples

[stiff robin]

@high hedge That would be pretty cool too.

[jovial spire]

i have a suggestion idea, dont know what i would call it though. It would be kinda like dreadon's remote. The item would summon all the 3 sentinals Doggo, but they would be buffed. It would be crafted with a rune of kos, 10 unholy geodes, 40 unholy essense, and 5 cosmilite.
But that would be all it does. With this, Signus would drop Nightmare Fuel, void would drop Ethrodermic Energy, and storm weaver would drop cosmilite. None of them would drop as much as the sounterparts you get them from, but it would be a nice alternitive way to farm Ethridermic energy/Nighmare Fuel and cosmilite

[worthy fiber]

Pretty sure that's been suggested multiple times

[jovial spire]

Has it?

[hollow shell]

A Draedon's Remote but for the Sentinels, yes
not that bit about the drops tho

[jovial spire]

I honestly think that frost moon and pumkin moon arnt that fun so

i think it woudl eb nice

Sowould it be ok if i put it in suggestions sicne i spiced it up a bit?

all i would need is a name

Core of Sol maybe

[ashen warren]

I like this idea, simply because the moon events can kiss my ass

[jovial spire]

ikr

their just so unfun to me

they feel more like a chore

[quiet abyss]

https://gyazo.com/7e43a9b045dd395c7e20d277db155720

That formatting is uhhhh

[jovial spire]

lol

sry

[fervent zealot]

wait a minute

my dude, if this gets in

[sleek wadi]

Sentinels dropping the energies=Moons not required=Summoning items for moons not required=NO PLANTERA FOR LOW%

[fervent zealot]

you'll just have changed the minimal boss progress path

[jovial spire]

formatting looks ncie to me but ihave a big ass moniter so

well

[fervent zealot]

mecha gets it

that's a whole two bosses less for low%

[sleek wadi]

HELL YEA

[fervent zealot]

-no prime for fright, no plant for ecto

[jovial spire]

Well

thats epopel choices

i mean

[sleek wadi]

Still need prime for Mothron

[fervent zealot]

moths are apparently spawned after 1 mech death now

[jovial spire]

You can fight golem pre mech now anyways so

and there's alreayd free progression

[fervent zealot]

well now i'm confused, wiki says mothrons 3 mechs but someone said they were seeing mothrons after 1 mech

eh i'll just trust wiki for thatone

[jovial spire]

wait hwat

[fervent zealot]

still one less boss for low%

[jovial spire]

dotn see how thats bad

[fervent zealot]

low% is the game with as few bosses as possible

it sucks in vanilla but with calamity it's so good

[jovial spire]

i mean you can already beat it with only having to kill 6 bosses

[fervent zealot]

calamity low% is curently wof > mechs > plant > cult > postml

[jovial spire]

including scal

[ashen warren]

No

[jovial spire]

if we're doign onyl bosses its still only 5

[ashen warren]

That's not it

[fervent zealot]

plant is requried for the moons

[jovial spire]

wait lemme think more

[ashen warren]

Calamity you can go wof > cultist >ML

[fervent zealot]

mechs required for mothron

[jovial spire]

yeah

and then the posy ML

[fervent zealot]

mothron req for yharon, moons for forge

and moons for so many post dog things as well.

[jovial spire]

Welp lets make a suggestion for mothron summoning item now

[ashen warren]

I think post yharon ecplises still have mothrons

[fervent zealot]

not if mechs are still undefeated

[sleek wadi]

Mechs for mothron, Plant/Calam for moons, Ravager/Cryo for Bars of Life.

[fervent zealot]

wait yes cryo is required fuck

[sleek wadi]

Calam procs Armored Diggers which give Ectoblood, so you can skip Plant

[fervent zealot]

keep forgetting you need bars of life

diggers only drop it post plant

i gotta sleep now farewell

[ashen warren]

Just have the piss sea have the heat wave effect

The separating thing looks more like shaking rather than a haze

[digital sparrow]

well i was intending for some form of heat wave

[ashen warren]

Change the suggestion then

Nice

[digital sparrow]

the sulfurous sea feels odd having like a full on blue background with yellow foreground

[jovial spire]

Solar egg
Summons the powerful creature of the dark sun...
Not consumable
Crafting: 1 solar tablet, 1 lizhard egg, and 20 chlorophite bars.
Used to summon mothron without having to kill mechs for those insane people who want to skip every fucking boss they can.

there fixed that promblom

[sleek wadi]

Lizhard egg is a bit too rare for that

[jovial spire]

acully

even though that was a joke

that sounds not to bad

nuh uh

Defiled rune

and if ya dont use it

[sleek wadi]

This can't be our answer to everything

[jovial spire]

thats what you get for skipping mechs

and imean fighting mechs takes longer than using a zerg or 8 in the temple

[sleek wadi]

You're already rewarded for killing mechs with a shit ton of gear, including the very valuable angel tracers

[jovial spire]

well there are indane people whop want to skip evry boss so

[ashen warren]

Angel treads* also the point is to skip parts of the game

[jovial spire]

in fact im abotu to start a run trying to kill as few bosses as possible

and besies progression is nonexistant bascially now anyways so

i mean you can get that gun from bumblefuck right off that bat of post Ml if ya want

and fuckiong murder everything untill doggo

[sleek wadi]

Not really much of an excuse to RNGate the hell outta mech skip.

[jovial spire]

You can do that with any other boss exepct the mechs

well almost every other boss

Cuz yharon and scal

Liek cultist, if you really wanna and are skilled enough, you can go down to 4th layer and kill and ediloninist for a edilion tablet and kill cultist right of the bat

just like titanium armor in temple with zerg

[sleek wadi]

That is a skill gate however

Lizhard Egg would be an RNG gate and can set a dangerous precedent for other items

[ashen warren]

Just make the lizard egg thing craftable

[jovial spire]

^

good idea

[sleek wadi]

Or not include it in the recipe

Solar Tablets and Chloro is enough

[jovial spire]

well that wouldnt make an egg

[ashen warren]

So you make an egg out of metal and a piece of rock?

[jovial spire]

nor woudl it make sence

[sleek wadi]

You do the same for Dragon Egg

[jovial spire]

so lemme think of a recipie

good popint

[sleek wadi]

You make it outta feathers and metal

So this would be a sun rock and plant metal

[ashen warren]

True however the feathers also require essences and I always thought about it being a "true" clone so to speak

Or a fake egg to fool chicken nugget

[jovial spire]

replace egg with 8 life fruit?

i think thats good

but im also gonna bump it up to 2 solar tablets

[hollow shell]

Hm
I feel like it'd be better if it was consumable and had the recipe reduced

Like, just some Solar Tablet Fragments and Souls of Light/Night, or something along those lines

[jovial spire]

if it helped i just changed it to once evrery solar eclpise

[hollow shell]

Summoning 1 Mothron per Eclipse isn't gonna help much

[jovial spire]

good point

sry wasnt sure since nobody said anything so

okie changed it

hows it now?

[ashen warren]

2 Tablet Fragments 5 Souls of Light and 5 Souls of Night 1 life fruit 5 chlorophyte bars makes 1

Was thinking more that

[hollow shell]

That's a big recipe

CFalcon's current one is ok

[jovial spire]

kinda to big imo

[ashen warren]

Removing the bars would work tbh

[sleek wadi]

Yeah most of the progression skippers have simple recipes

[hollow shell]

Wait

Solar Fragments from the Celestial Pillar, or Solar Tablet Fragments from the Lihzahrd Temple?

Cuz I meant the latter

[jovial spire]

i mean ffs for 5 sloar fragmesnt and 5 luminite bars you bsically get a free op gun so

[ashen warren]

Tablet not pillar

[jovial spire]

changed to tablet

sry for to specifing

brb

Back

Shit how do you edit a post on mobile

[ashen warren]

From what I've heard, you don't

[jovial spire]

Fuck

[marsh gust]

hold the text for a while, edit

[jovial spire]

Oh ty

[marsh gust]

👌

[jovial spire]

Yep it worked ty very much

[marsh gust]

np

[hollow shell]

There we go
Now it is a good suggestion 👍

[jovial spire]

I had another one but ill wait untill tomororw dont wanna spam my auggestions

[hollow shell]

Alright then

You have more self-restraint than others 👀

[jovial spire]

lol

Yeah i try my best to not be like 90% of the internet

[fervent zealot]

while we're on the topic of eclipse ideas, here's something of a concept i've had floating about for a while

some sorta darksun lantern that makes most eclipse mobs pacified in some way, like no damage or summat

[jovial spire]

Maybe something like that for BM too

[hollow shell]

Just so they're not as much of a pain when they randomly occur?

[fervent zealot]

yep

[hollow shell]

Alright

[marsh gust]

zen

[jovial spire]

^

[fervent zealot]

actually, adding onto that, maybe in its aoe nullifying the hp up done by things

[jovial spire]

Yeah feels kinda usless to me since by that point

You have like 700 zens

At least i do

[fervent zealot]

random eclipses get on my fucking nerves, and not everyone uses alch or something similar

[jovial spire]

I dont use it

I use blood relic

And zerg

[fervent zealot]

blood orbs are still a fucking annoying thing to have to grind.

[jovial spire]

Not reallt imo but i can understand why

[fervent zealot]

look, it's like, 50 orbs for a zen.

[jovial spire]

30

Wait for is it 40

Lemme check

Its 20

Both of us were wrong

[heady comet]

sharknado staff clone 👎

[quiet abyss]

[fervent zealot]

better give it infinite sight or else i'll eat your eyes and use you as a summon weapon

[heady comet]

Dont explosions take iframes

[fervent zealot]

shit he right

bad summon please delete

[heady comet]

[quiet abyss]

I know you guys are joking but rn I'm not in the mood. Also, fixed

[heady comet]

oh srry

[fervent zealot]

just give it really high sightrange though please i don't want to have to suffer as summoner any longer

[quiet abyss]

Fixed

[fervent zealot]

thANK you now i can die in peace

[quiet abyss]

[plush remnant]

Is there a music box for Universal Collapse?

You know, DoG Phase 2 theme?

According to the wiki, no there is not

[shadow prism]

full power sentinels would be awful

can you imagine maxed signus

would ruin the entire fight

[plush remnant]

Signus has always been hell for me personally no matter the playthrough

[fierce iris]

how about instead they just all spawn at once

[sudden quail]

How about DoG summons invulnerable versions of them at half health

In phase 2 I mean

[ashen warren]

Just make DM DoT one-shot with its head as well

ezzzpzzzz

[tired haven]

Implying it already doesn't twoshot you within 3 frames with head and first body segment

[signal ibex]

Just make DoG spam homing lasers.

Wait no, make DoG inflict exo freeze.

[arctic wren]

Make DoG ignore invuln frames
ezpz

[fierce iris]

i unironically think the sentinels should all spawn at once in deathmode, they're weak as hell and don't pose a challenge solo

so all three toghether might pose a real threat to the player even if they're nerfed

[graceful reef]

Make Dog harder idk how but he seems a bit too easy (I mean in DM)

[quiet abyss]

DoG is at the right amount of difficulty rn

Although making him a bit harder would sound nice, DoG doesn't necessarily need anymore buff and such in his current state

[spark flax]

honestly i really like DoG's current difficulty

he's just the right balance

unless you use valediction

[fierce iris]

sentinel phase is an absolute joke in every mode

but it does make for a nice breather

[ashen warren]

Ceaseless Void comes

Just relax man

And then get a free heal

[arctic wren]

"sentinel phase is an absolute joke in every mode"

unless DoG spawns right next to you at the end of signus

[ashen warren]

You can open map and see him

Then close again

[arctic wren]

no as in

right next to you

[ruby cobalt]

Right next to you.

Where his head physically touches your soft ass.

[ashen warren]

But it still happens

[arctic wren]

instantly gobbles you for a wonderful instant kill

[ashen warren]

When your stasis belt dodges dog's head hit

Feels good man

[arctic wren]

Next update: dog head gets through all forms of dodging and invuln

[ashen warren]

Absolutely bodied

[fierce iris]

spellbomb in terraria

actually not that bad of an idea

honestly if it weren't for the coming projectile nerf i'd give this a star

[sleek wigeon]

Not that you could give it a star just now, since it didnt already have one

[night cradle]

Wait, wiki editors can give stars too?

[sleek wigeon]

Ye

[fierce iris]

i guess wiki editor just has built in cooldude

[sleek wigeon]

Not at all

We dont get image perms in general nor have acess to cooldude channels

[fierce iris]

oof

but yeah, with the coming projectile nerf a spellbomb system isn't really needed

[ashen warren]

Question, you cant buy corruption seeds from the Dryad in a blood moon when your world is Crimson, can you ?

[worthy fiber]

I think it's world-dependent, but I could be wrong

[ruby cobalt]

Why would you need them?

[worthy fiber]

Yeah, just use the evil island

[ashen warren]

Not much reason, just popped up in my head and I'm too lazy to find it out in game.

[fierce iris]

okay but EoW is incapable of comprehending corruption island

like he can't be fought properly on it

[ruby cobalt]

So you just drop ebonsand down.

And it spreads.

*woosh*

[fierce iris]

is there even a hook for custom in-game acheivements

like is that even a thing TModLoader is equipped to handle

[sacred thorn]

I can’t think of a reason why it wouldn’t be compatible

[ashen warren]

Supreme Helper Minion is the dumbest achievement in the game

200 quests for the angler in 1 world, but why ??????????

[worthy fiber]

It's an achievement

smh it's the only real achievement there

[ashen warren]

Not a fun one at that

[tired haven]

It's not in 1 world btw

[radiant meadow]

it's not only in 1 world

[worthy fiber]

Also, people have been able to make custom achievements

[tired haven]

Last within 1 world is like 10

[radiant meadow]

the fastest way is to make several worlds and find the angler in each of them

[worthy fiber]

Achievements don't have to be fun

[ashen warren]

Is it on 1 character then ?

[radiant meadow]

no

[ruby cobalt]

Yes, it's character-based.

[tired haven]

No

[worthy fiber]

👀

[ruby cobalt]

But you take the sum of all of them.

[tired haven]

Just across the savefile

[ashen warren]

Cause I have fished over 200 for sure

[radiant meadow]

the quests are character based but the achievement isn't

also tmodloader might mess with your achievements I've heard

[sacred thorn]

Jeezus I just mentioned achievement and this conversation exploded

[ashen warren]

Its mainly me being salty

I have nothing that dropped progress on it

Its been stuck in 120 for so long

Before I even used mods

[radiant meadow]

do achievements really bother you that much?

[sacred thorn]

Fastest way in my opinion is to do a quest turn it in leave the world and come back

[worthy fiber]

Just don't do them

[radiant meadow]

supreme helper minion wasn't even my last achievement

leaving the world doesn't reset angler quests unless you have luiafk I think

[sacred thorn]

Huh I swear it did

[ashen warren]

I dont do em

Its still not a fun one

Just pointing that out

[worthy fiber]

Again, achievements aren't made to be fun

[ashen warren]

You cant use cosmolight to reset angler quests either I think

[sacred thorn]

Wait that’s like 80 minutes of just staying on one world and fishing

[radiant meadow]

cosmolight doesn't reset anything

[ashen warren]

Sadly

It skips time but doesn't touch anything else

Like angler quests for example

[worthy fiber]

I don't think other pillars drop meld because meld is specifically magic-related

[spice cedar]

Didn't they used to drop from all pillars?

[arctic wren]

right
also stupid, thought it was put in #suggestions-discussion and not #suggestions-voting

just noticed and deleted my "or make them drop from all pillars" reply

[worthy fiber]

I wasn't aware of the "dropped from all pillars" thing

[cyan lagoon]

It's something they have to fix in their end

but I think Fargo's got it all figured out in the test version

@ Fargowiltas tskk tskk

[arctic wren]

What happens? 🤔

[cyan lagoon]

Can't say

[ashen warren]

@sweet totem use laudanum

[cyan lagoon]

Very vague

We cannot go off "Nerf this"

[sweet totem]

I know about laudanum it's just extremely inconvenient to go specifically to find laudanum on a new play through lol

[ashen warren]

Defiled rune + slime king = you have it at victide era

[bitter topaz]

you don't need defiled

[ashen warren]

You actually make money doing it as well

[bitter topaz]

it's a 5% drop anyway iirc

[radiant meadow]

defiled doesn't affect laudanum

[ashen warren]

Thought it was one of the ones it doubled?

5% and 5%

Unless that was fixed

[arctic wren]

in my first playthrough I facetanked desert scourge with amidas spark until I got it

took over 120 kills

[radiant meadow]

it could've been but it's not listed on the wiki

[ashen warren]

Normally it takes me 25 at most geez

[sweet totem]

Takes me around 50 or so times

[arctic wren]

basically my version of the 103rd try dampe

[ashen warren]

Besides

[arctic wren]

I also made what
100 platinum? with those kills? idr exactly how much

30-100
idk

[ashen warren]

It's good practice for the mind numbing aspect of retrying scal until you wanna die

[arctic wren]

So was worth it in the end

but was also annoying

the worst part is that on my current playthrough I randomly got it on my first crabulon kill

[sweet totem]

Fuck lol it takes me forever to get it. Shame because once I get it pre-hm gets like 10x easier

Annoying I gotta waste an accesory slot with it tho

[ashen warren]

"waste an accessory slot" that's a funny joke

[radiant meadow]

it's not wasting

[arctic wren]

^

It's actually quite a good accessory early on

[radiant meadow]

gives nice overall boosts with +6% dmg and crit, better acceleration, and horror immunity

[ashen warren]

5% acceleration and movement speed + 8 defence + 6% damage and crit and immunity to horror makes it the best pre-hmode accessory all-rounder

[sweet totem]

Legit forgot about the other stats on it

I always just instantly classify it as "immunity to horror." Even then it's the most useful immunity related accesory with just that

[ashen warren]

I actually used it against ml for damage build

Anyway yea you need to be more specific or just use laudanum

[radiant meadow]

perhaps a reasoning could be that you don't feel like you should be forced to wear it or be an amazing dodger?

[sweet totem]

Pretty much. I mean horror is by far one of the most annoying debuffs to me

[radiant meadow]

I heard that the twins is one of the worst fights to get horrified in

[sweet totem]

Half defence, slow movement speed, and like most enemies give it to you like every hit in revengeance?

[radiant meadow]

not to mention it often stacks on top of mfd

[ashen warren]

It's all the spooky enemies

[sweet totem]

Aka 90% of them lol

[ashen warren]

I've never gotten the horror hate since it's never killed me

Defence is quite useless in rev when bosses and enemies that mean something hit for half your health-bar anyway

The movement speed thing is countered by dash

And darkness does nothing tbh

[radiant meadow]

I personally don't like mfd more but 🤷

[ashen warren]

marked for death kills me way more that's true

[alpine garnet]

Late game id just like draedon heart buff

[radiant meadow]

then again, my hate originiates from the fact that it's the one thing stopping me from pre mech soul edge/eidolic wail in expert mode

[alpine garnet]

I hate horror, but heart is weak tbh

[radiant meadow]

laudanum might even be better than draedon's heart since heart doesn't give all around boosts

[ashen warren]

Laudanum is far better in all situations except one

[alpine garnet]

The rage stuff overrides stats imo

[radiant meadow]

rage building is really slow and shiny stone effect isn't really needed

[alpine garnet]

Eh

[ashen warren]

My shitty rev-only DoG facetank build since DM DoG oneshots you

[radiant meadow]

providence facetank build too maybe

[fierce iris]

horror sucks more early game than anything

[proven tide]

@keen palm Dude. Props on the neat infographic.

[worthy fiber]

[keen palm]

hmm

Microsoft Paint is nice

[worthy fiber]

You forgot the Lunatic Cultist and Moon Lord

[keen palm]

I know

[worthy fiber]

rip

[keen palm]

In all seriousness though, it really would be nice to have non-yharim lore around

[sweet totem]

Need more lunatic cultist lore lol

Guys got nothing

[keen palm]

"Why does he have a bird beak"?

[sweet totem]

You mean the plague doctor like mask?

[keen palm]

yes

[radiant meadow]

cultist actually has 2 lore items in game iirc

one is really obscure

[sweet totem]

Because plague doctor masks are cool

[keen palm]

What does that one even relate to?

I'm sure its just Calamitis

[night cradle]

Its Calamitas

[keen palm]

We long ago feared the light of the red moon.
Many went mad, others died, but a scant few became blessed with a wealth of cosmic understanding.

So did Calamitis help people?

[night cradle]

Tbh I would definetly put Draedon and Yharim together in that, but other way it looks cool

[keen palm]

I had to squeeze

Y'know, does Yharon have any lore aside from saving Yharim?

[marsh gust]

yharim's mom found yharon eggo and then yharon became yharim's pet

[keen palm]

oh yeah that

[opal barn]

See it's not just Yharim, It's Yharim's Mom too

[marsh gust]

yes

[keen palm]

His Mom also has lore: She was a ranger

[opal barn]

And that's all the lore

[keen palm]

Honestly, Yharon is more Plot Armor for Yharim than anything

[marsh gust]

tho without yharon, yharim is swimming with the lavafishies

[keen palm]

but that stuff only does like 40~dmg

Unless we're talking the stuff by the Crags

[fierce iris]

that's like the whole point of the lore is that yharim is the bad man who caused literally everything bad in the world

[tired haven]

Well when you are an armorless kid 40 100 dmg is enough

[keen palm]

Isn't Yharim a Lizhard?

Whatever it's spelled

[devout seal]

He's not a lihzard.

[keen palm]

oh

[devout seal]

He's something more ancient.

[still falcon]

no yharim is a mushroom crab lord

[marsh gust]

no u

[tired haven]

Calamity lore in nutshell: yharim is a jerk, and you are bigger jerk that wants to defeat him and his company/enemies/everything

[fierce iris]

yharims mostly human

mostly

[sweet totem]

Yharim big jerk and you become biggererer jerk to defeat him

[devout seal]

No, i'm fairly sure he was made into a not-lihzard.

[marsh gust]

infused with nanotech

[devout seal]

And steroids.

[sweet totem]

Nanomach- I'll stop there

[spice cedar]

they harden in response to physical trauma

[hollow shell]

@sweet totem Late, but could you elaborate more on what makes Horror unbearable?
Like, which aspects of it should specifically be nerfed, be it symptoms of the debuff, or the duration, etc?

[fierce iris]

IMO all slows are actual hell early game

because there is legit nothing you can do when you're under one

[arctic wren]

halving defence when you're slowed doesn't help either

it'd make for a nice challenge ... except it doesn't

it just means you need to grind early boss of your choice until you get a laudanum

then you can ignore it's existence for the rest of the game

[fierce iris]

it's basically instant death in one hit

[arctic wren]

I think it'd be nice if it was nerfed and/or made less omnipresent and made so you can't get cheap immunity to it

[fierce iris]

since you're made helpless for long enough for whatever you were fighting to kill you

[arctic wren]

that way it's something to look out for but not stupidly debilitating early on until you get the get out of horror free card

[fierce iris]

it's literally not a problem once you get a dash or wings

since IIRC flight speed and max speed unaffected

just base speed and by extension acceleration

but early on you just don't have either of those things

[arctic wren]

so the slowdown hits you hard...

[fierce iris]

and even when you have a dash there's a bit of a panic where if you don't dash in time you still die

[hollow shell]

@toxic basalt You don't need a screenshot

Also did you test it in-game or just look at the wiki page?

[night cradle]

Dude, don't you know that it does decent damage to SCal? I don't want to sound that rude or anything, just pointing out.

[worthy raptor]

But uhhhhh azathoth is strong as fuck

You know the green orbs ignore iframes right?

[bitter topaz]

but lomp, low base damage = bad ofc

[worthy raptor]

Oh shit

Wtf is "the wand" it's fuckin trash

ONE VASRE DANMAGE

MORE LIKE AUTO TRASH MATERIAL

[elder mist]

azathoth is literally the strongest non true melee weapon in the game

...from melee class

[worthy raptor]

Azathoth is a fucking gargantuan meme

Dinosaurs would be scared of that thing

And they're fuckin DINOSAURS

[elder mist]

T-Rex would eat azathoth and become unstoppable tho lompo

[worthy raptor]

O shit, I forgot T-rex is what kirby was based on

[elder mist]

[worthy raptor]

(Low key I feel like i've been pretty on point with the humor bullshit but HEY GET BACK ON TOPIC)

[sleek wigeon]

@green ruin Already exits.
Its called pillar fragments

This new material you are suggesting would have no real niche and is just complication for the sake of complication

[hearty yew]

@toxic basalt Azathoth does not need to be buffed, it is extremely strong already. If a weapon did need to be buffed, that would be a valid suggestion. But you would need to provide a conclusive rationale for the buff.

[sleek wigeon]

^

damage doesnt mean jack

Last prism and yharims crystal and azathoth all do the same amount of "damage"

Yet they do wildly different amounts of dps

[hollow shell]

(You can even see in the screenshot, the gif
the ridiculous amount of damage it deals in an instant)

[night cradle]

^

[alpine garnet]

one of the best endgame melee weps except earth

and earth is well...

[toxic basalt]

ok. Fair enough

Are there any weapons that are late game that are actually considered "underpowered" or "uesless"?

[radiant meadow]

well, also, you're not really allowed to ask for dev weapon changes

[fervent zealot]

yes lots

no you don't get to suggest to fix them

[toxic basalt]

Earth went from overpowered to almost useless

[fervent zealot]

earth is still god wtf you talking about

[radiant meadow]

earth is like stellar striker on steroids

[toxic basalt]

So I should get into close quaters with Yharon and SCal?

[fervent zealot]

with endgame armor? yes

[toxic basalt]

And get shredded

[fervent zealot]

do you not understand melee is

[radiant meadow]

maybe not scal cuz hitcap

[ruby cobalt]

If anything you can get into close quarters with 100 super dummies.

[radiant meadow]

but super dummies are a thing until next update

[ruby cobalt]

And then instantly shit your pants because of witnessing a clusterfuck.

Yeah, but next update is next update, this is current update.

[toxic basalt]

Wait. Super dummies trigger Earths effects?

[fervent zealot]

yEP

[toxic basalt]

Huh. They should fix that

[opal barn]

#changelogs

[fervent zealot]

nope, super dummies are intended to trigger those kinds of effects

[ruby cobalt]

No, they shouldn't.

[fervent zealot]

it's LITERALLY why they were made

[toxic basalt]

ok...

[opal barn]

Oh wait, that's a different change

[fervent zealot]

still fixes the problem

[ruby cobalt]

Super Dummies are considered enemies, thus they trigger all effects that normal dummies don't.

Such as homing, ACTUALLY SHOWING YOUR DPS, any on-hit effects, etc.

[toxic basalt]

Summons also properly attack them

[hollow shell]

(also if you could delete your suggestion to reduce clutter that would be good)

[toxic basalt]

ok

it's done

[hollow shell]

👍

[toxic basalt]

tbh my suggestions before were better than the suggestion I posted

[sleek wigeon]

"fix super dummies by removing their singular purpose"

This is fine.

[hollow shell]

Yeah it's already fixed

[toxic basalt]

kk

Also. Am I able to add a star to my own suggestions?

[hollow shell]

Eh
Best if you don't

[toxic basalt]

k

[sleek wigeon]

If it already has one yeah

[fervent zealot]

after a mod or other stars it you -can- star it but you're disgusting if you do

[toxic basalt]

Well. I haven't. But look how close I am to 50 stars on this one

[fervent zealot]

haha a yharim's army suggestion

that's probably not going to be implimented or taken note of anyways

[toxic basalt]

Calamity mod has yet to add an invasion

[opal barn]

Because they are an absolute ass to code afaik

[fervent zealot]

^ fab has said this

[toxic basalt]

I thought it would give Yharim a great entrance into his fight

[fervent zealot]

not really, no.. and it also goes against all the lore we have for him already

[hollow shell]

What how?

[toxic basalt]

Wait. Speaking of lore. The lore on his wiki. Is it actually true?

[fervent zealot]

yes

[hollow shell]

... true?
Of course it's true, it wouldn't be on the wiki otherwise

[fervent zealot]

you missed it but fab did a yharim lore dump last night

he's mostly an honorable 1v1 fighter type guy

[toxic basalt]

So apparently he had an alliance with something called .EXE?

[fervent zealot]

????

give link

[hollow shell]

uhhh

[toxic basalt]

http://fictional-chaos.wikia.com/wiki/Yharim

[hollow shell]

THats not

[fervent zealot]

that's..

[hollow shell]

the right wiki

[fervent zealot]

not the wiki

[opal barn]

[toxic basalt]

I thought so

[hollow shell]

That's an RP

[toxic basalt]

I knew it couldn't be that absurd

Then what is the right wiki?

[cyan lagoon]

surely aint on ours

and it won't be for a long time

[toxic basalt]

Also. Even if the wiki I found was fake. It was funny in some parts

[hollow shell]

The right wiki is https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Calamity_Mod_Wiki

[toxic basalt]

Oh. The real wiki

I thought it wasn't on here yet

[hollow shell]

Yharim has no dedicated lore entry on the Lore page yet, but pretty much every lore entry is about him anyway

[toxic basalt]

Everything is linked to him.

[sleek wigeon]

Litteraly all the lore but siren and levi lore

and abyss lore

is yharim

[fervent zealot]

abyss is actually yharim too seeing as he used sulphur sea and abyss as his own shit ocean

[novel oasis]

what are you referring to?

[fervent zealot]

search shit ocean, scroll up for latest yharim lore dump

[sleek wigeon]

Not offical till its added to the fourm post

Untill its added ingame or to the fourm post, all fab lore is subject to massive changes on his whim

[novel oasis]

iirc mrrp made something about the silva lore that related to the piss sea

[ruby cobalt]

thank cob

[hollow shell]

Might wanna clarify that "off - like it does it now" means the piercing dash, current's "on"
and not "off - like it does it now" as in you cannot dash, current's "off"

[ruby cobalt]

Oh, ye, that.

Thank you!

[hollow shell]

np

[hollow shell]

@sturdy latch What's the value in having that when we have Defiled Rune?

Just
slightly-more-defiled-rune?

[sturdy latch]

...

goddamn it

[jovial spire]

defiled rune dsont increase drops

just drop rates

[hollow shell]

Nope, it doubles money too

[sturdy latch]

Defiled rune effects the player while purge of peace effects bosses

[hollow shell]

?

[jovial spire]

Bosses drop double stuff

[sturdy latch]

Well, in basis.

[jovial spire]

the money wasnt what i was talkig about

[hollow shell]

The only thing that Defiled Rune changes about the player is their life, everything else is enemies

[sturdy latch]

o h

[jovial spire]

imo its still a good item

if not it shoudl at least be changed where

defiled rune increases drops too

noy just drop rates

[sturdy latch]

copy-pasted reference
Halves the player's maximum life.
Increases the damage resistance (DR) of all enemies by a varying percentage that causes them to take half as much damage as they originally would have.
Certain items with drop rates below 5% are raised to 5%.
Doubles the amount of money that drops from enemies.
Some enemies will drop items that they normally will only drop in certain biomes.

Mik, analysis

[hollow shell]

(did you know about Defiled Rune prior to now?)

[sturdy latch]

Yes

but not fully.

[hollow shell]

alright

[sturdy latch]

I wasn't aware that it did not decrease player defense stats, but actually life

I did tweak it a bit to have diversity and ruthlessness implemented more into the conception.

[hollow shell]

Why not just disable life regen during boss fights

If you're gonna have so much Bleedin

[fervent zealot]

so pretty much just defiled but for materials

actually sounds useful

sg isn't a challenge in hm though @vague laurel

[vague laurel]

until you defeat the mechs, it is more or less a challenge

[fervent zealot]

wtf no

[vague laurel]

challenge meaning you actually have to try to win

[fervent zealot]

all early hardmode stuff destroys sg with ease

[vague laurel]

Yes, but compared to literally every other prehm boss, it is hardest

[hollow shell]

At least it provides more of a challenge than King Slime

[fervent zealot]

yes, but all phm bosses aren't a challenge as soon as hm drops

[vague laurel]

what mode do you play on?

[fervent zealot]

rev, like a sane person

[vague laurel]

c;

my computer is too terrible to play rev mode

[fervent zealot]

uh what

rev doesn't cause frame drops you know

[vague laurel]

I cant fight any bosses that have many projectiles

I cant dodge stuff either because of fps

[fervent zealot]

turn frame skip off if your pc is that bad

[vague laurel]

I just fought aquatic scourge and I had to turn frame skip off and it felt too easy because I got 3x more time to think

vanilla I get 60 fps all the time except with.. lag causing antics like blowing up the world

[hollow shell]

Really?
Strange

[fervent zealot]

turn off backgrounds, weather effects and heat distortion

[vague laurel]

Tmodloader makes your ram 4G right?

[hollow shell]

Lighting to Trippy

[fervent zealot]

those three things all cause massive frame drops

trippy lighting barely helps and hurts eyes

[hollow shell]

It helped a ton when I was using crap computer

[vague laurel]

How much of a difference do backgrounds cause with fps?

[gusty geode]

Pre-Steampunker Solidifier is pretty cool

[hollow shell]

Quite a bit, actually

[fervent zealot]

yeah

[vague laurel]

well 1.3.6 isnt out so it isnt a problem

[gusty geode]

Also it's free

[fervent zealot]

for some reason my game hardlocks to 30 fps with backgrounds enabled, and turning them off fixes it

[vague laurel]

Thanks guys c:

[hollow shell]

np

[fervent zealot]

as for the suggestion, just change it to post skeletron and it'l be more fitting

[vague laurel]

I also had no fps problems doing all the mechs, calamity bosses kill my fps

[fervent zealot]

butyeah just change sg from rain to post skeletron, it'd work better

calamity bosses really need to naturally spawn in more ways and there are tons of vanilla things we can rip off of

[vague laurel]

done

[fervent zealot]

thanklitude

[hollow shell]

Well
maybe not "naturally" spawn but it would be cool to have more summoning methods than just an item

[vague laurel]

Bosses spawning naturally is quite annoying if you can kill them easily

cough cough every invasion and slime rain

[fervent zealot]

which is why we should rip off vanilla and have it be a one time type dealio

[hollow shell]

Like maybe there could be a run-down altar in the Crags where you put the Charred Idol

[fervent zealot]

like golem, yeah

[radiant meadow]

didn't calamity bosses used to have several ways to naturally spawn?

[fervent zealot]

nope

[hollow shell]

Yeah, long time ago

[fervent zealot]

birb used to but that's it

[radiant meadow]

sg in slime rain, calamitas in blood moons, cryogen in blizzards, etc

[hollow shell]

Calamitas could, I know that

[radiant meadow]

slime god in slime rain is nothing new I think, just really, really, really old

[vague laurel]

kill a rare enemy during a blood moon and it spawns calamitas maybe?

[fervent zealot]

natural or more natural boss spawns are really something that improves the experience

[vague laurel]

cryogen, I wouldnt see fit to spawn naturally but you never know

[radiant meadow]

cryogen could spawn naturally similarly to Thorium's borean strider

[vague laurel]

throw some items into icy water during a blizzard to summon cryogen, like some things in modded minecraft

[fervent zealot]

or cryogen could have a dedicated spawning structure replacing the ice tomb

his summon is the cryo KEY after all.

[radiant meadow]

except who fights cryogen underground

[vague laurel]

throw in some essences and ice to summon the boss

[radiant meadow]

I don't think throwing stuff into water would be an easy thing to activate a boss

the only thing close to that is wof

[vague laurel]

true, but it would be unique

[fervent zealot]

and ofc for all of these things still have an alternative summon that just directly summons them

[vague laurel]

for the npc mods of course

[fervent zealot]

nobody likes arduous spawn processes

[radiant meadow]

plantera cough, cough

[vague laurel]

i couldnt see plantera being a problem to summon, the bulbs spawn as soon as you kill WoF

[fervent zealot]

that's calamity's doing

[vague laurel]

I know

[fervent zealot]

in vanilla plant is a chore to summon

[vague laurel]

Bosses should be that way but when most of them arent, it makes it annoying

[radiant meadow]

this reminds me of when I got cocky once in death mode and summoned plantera pre mechs
Lionfish wasn't as op as I thought

[vague laurel]

bosses should be that way as in you cant summon a ton of destroyers easily just by getting a few souls

[fervent zealot]

i mean plant is just circling sim

[ashen warren]

h

[fervent zealot]

i've done plant in statigel with uhh

claspers in rev

[vague laurel]

i defeated skeletron prime with 40 defense and a lunarian bow prehardmode because of a pandora's box

[radiant meadow]

It was death mode, mostly if not all phm gear, It was a weirdly shaped open space, I think there was lava

[vague laurel]

it is quite easy if you just dodge lol

[fervent zealot]

anyway all of this aside i don't feel like making a big suggestionpost rn so i'll leave those ideas for you to work with

[radiant meadow]

perhaps the killing of king slime in hardmode slime rain could activate slime god's summon?

[fervent zealot]

no thanks, that's even more tedious

[radiant meadow]

that way you can still fight it if you need it's loot for whatever reason

[fervent zealot]

kill one boss to immediately get attacked by another

[vague laurel]

what about say "Add ways for most bosses to be summoned rather than an item, like cryogen during a blizzard and etc etc

[radiant meadow]

devourer of gods cough, cough

[vague laurel]

If you cant afford 20 gel, 5 gold and one ruby in hardmode and you need the king slime's loot, then what the how

[radiant meadow]

don't say rather than an item

it should be in addition to

[vague laurel]

ok I elect you to make the post

[radiant meadow]

actually, this might be a problem with zerg

[plush remnant]

Should I work on designing upgrades to each legendary? Like, for example, crafting Malachite into an item called Jade?

[radiant meadow]

perhaps make them only spawn naturally if they haven't been defeated yet

[plush remnant]

Would that be well recieved?

[fervent zealot]

yeah, no just random spawns, leave the random spawns for akrasia mode

[vague laurel]

Yea, I sure do love using zergs to be buttraped by 10 earth elementals and a ton of ice claspers

when I just want a metal detector

[ashen warren]

Incog it really depends on how well you design the upgrades

[vague laurel]

I love weapons that you can upgrade and use throughout the whole game c:

[plush remnant]

Hmm, I'll have to post each of them here as I make them, then put them into a doc and put it in suggestions.

[vague laurel]

calamity and thorium does this well

[ashen warren]

Cause "malachite but faster" is way less interesting then adding a few new effects each time or whatever

[vague laurel]

but like, when the Aegis sword (or whatever the legendary sword was called) a long time ago dropped in prehardmode extremely rarely, I got it and it was so fucking overpowered that I defeated every prehm and hardmode boss in the next 2 hours and I was only at skeletron because I could kill all bosses in seconds

[ashen warren]

"then put them into a doc and put it in suggestions" just know that people tend to not star what they don't like more than star what they do like

[vague laurel]

except post ml because I decided to delete the world because it wasnt fun

[ashen warren]

Spirit mod imo has done the best legendary weapon setup

[vague laurel]

@fervent zealot u didnt even star it xd

[ashen warren]

Unless it was changed from like 8 months ago

[fervent zealot]

and 3 others

[vague laurel]

oh, so even if your suggestion is really good but doesnt get 50, it wont be sent to devs?

[ashen warren]

That's not what i was talking about

[fervent zealot]

devs can see it before 50

[vague laurel]

ah

[ashen warren]

for pinkies post

[fervent zealot]

it's just 50 is absolute it's gotten sent to devs

[plush remnant]

My first concept for an exo level upgrade for Malachite was making the weapon apply Elemental Mix, Ichor, and a chance to inflict Exo Freeze, the left click gains homing and ignores iframes, and the right click infinitely pierces, doesn't home, and makes every enemy it hits explode.

But TBH, I don't even know how many upgrades I'd have to think up, since each legendary drops at a different tier.

[ashen warren]

Have the left-click work like a suped lionfish

The more stacks the more shit starts happening

Also tbh we don't need an exo-tier throwing atm

[plush remnant]

Oh yeah, Lionfish exists

Yeah, fair enough.

[ashen warren]

Maybe lunar pillars level?

That's a semi-weak spot for throwing iirc

Well that was short-lived

For a spitballing idea or whatever

25 stacks of the "Jade" weapon could have minor projectiles fly towards enemies

[radiant meadow]

post golem pre ml is where throwing suffers the most

[ashen warren]

50 stacks more projectiles and whatever etc

I remember that being hell

It's just that malachite is post golem and with right-click you're a-ok

[plush remnant]

Yeah, right click can get you through pillars decently imo

But I like the stacking projectiles idea

[outer marten]

That suggestion looks more like you're not fighting properly or need practice

Summoner is fine against him if you know what you're doing

[hollow shell]

@dry river Nope

[fervent zealot]

@dry river no

[dry river]

awww

[rancid edge]

@dry river politely "can you not"

[outer marten]

Best spy

[hollow shell]

Go to other servers to get your memes

[dry river]

pls no bully

[outer marten]

puts on shades

[rancid edge]

i will bully when you're illiterate

[dry river]

It was a serious suggestion

[rancid edge]

there's literally a rule that says "no excessive memeing" for a reason

[outer marten]

Besides, that wasn't a serious suggestion. Memes aren't serious

[vague laurel]

it (most of the time) attracts young funny epic memers and it infects a discord

arguments can be made it makes the immature people stay in that channel, but keeping them out altogether would be better imo

[dry river]

@rancid edge that's why I suggested it.

ok

I won't suggest it any more

[fervent zealot]

memers get out this is a no memer server REEEEE

[dry river]

I get your points

[unreal patrol]

what is up fellow homo'nts

[proven tide]

@unreal patrol The Elysian Wings are used to upgrade the Tracers

[unreal patrol]

well yeah

but they're also equipable

so make them actually useful to equip

[proven tide]

If they're not wings then why would they upgrade the Tracers?

[fervent zealot]

harpy ring >exists

[unreal patrol]

I'm not saying delete the wings, just replace the wing properties with something useful for that late in the game (im talking about stats wise, not how they appear)

so its wings, but they're not used to fly (?)

[heady comet]

They used to be op before they were nerfed

[unreal patrol]

which one is they

harpy ring?

[heady comet]

Elysian wings

[unreal patrol]

o

well it's pretty shit now

what'd they used to do

[jovial spire]

the same thing but better

[heady comet]

Out-fly dog

[unreal patrol]

thank you for such specific advice falcon

[jovial spire]

np, im good at that

[unreal patrol]

go commit SCal in house

[jovial spire]

already have before

[unreal patrol]

ok

I too have fought a brimstone being inside my humble abode

[devout seal]

Um
Why would the elysian tracers be unmade into wings

[lucid marsh]

No, I think they mean replace the wings with a different mobility accessory but still have them in the recipe for Elysian tracers

[little jolt]

elysian wings are fine imo

they have higher flight time than seraph

i mean idk why

you would lose an accessory slot for it

if you wanted to use them over seraph

[ashen warren]

Elysian wings are worthless imo vs seraph

[little jolt]

yeah probably

[ashen warren]

There needs to be something to make them useful

[cyan lagoon]

Your opinion

Those who arent running can benefit from the higher flight speed

[little jolt]

yeah that's what i was thinking

[ashen warren]

It's useful for bosses only until DoG

[little jolt]

but

after DoG

u get elysian tracers

[lost agate]

I mean you basically can "run" with wings

[little jolt]

i imagine elysian > seraph might be useful for someone like polterghast

because you're circling him

[lost agate]

Maybe

[ashen warren]

"but after DoG you get elysian tracers" I know

The point is that it's not useful for any boss except storm weaver and polter

[lost agate]

I mean, thats 2/5 bosses

Its okay

And you basically can "run" with the wings

[ashen warren]

Hell is too small for them with signus (except for flight speed) and ceaseless void is piece of cake

2/5 when seraph works for 5/5

[lost agate]

Give it almost same stuff as tracers like how the shields do?

[ashen warren]

Running with the wings makes dodging a lot harder for stuff like the DoG laser wall and the signus bomb thing

Which is unfortunate since elysian wings are the best looking wings in the game followed by the celestial tracers and material wings

Perhaps make elysian wings as fast as angel treads when running but you get more combat stuff?

Seraph for more mobility and elysian for power?

Kinda like cryogen soul thing

[lost agate]

Or just dont give stuff like lava stone effect?

But have running

[tired haven]

Fun fact: any calamity wing seems to follow same acceleration
I may be wrong but really, there is no difference from my tests

Ah yes, all wings also capped at 77 mph

[lost agate]

I mean, aegis is basically a valor with no debuff resistance, why not make wings kind of the same case?

[ashen warren]

Crab are you talking about run-speed or flight-speed?

[lost agate]

No lava wader effect or whatever

[tired haven]

Flight ofc

[ashen warren]

Because I'm talking about run

[tired haven]

And I just mention whatever

[ashen warren]

So

[tired haven]

I don't think elysian should get boot ability
maybe make them hover instead?

There is no hover wings in calamity so far

And providence hovers a lot, kind of

[lost agate]

Or a temporal speed boost?

[ashen warren]

Elysian wings give holy flames on attack for all classes
Increase run speed to angel treads level (less than seraph)
Perhaps nerf flight stuff because changes
The hover thing is something that should be on tracers

Anything else?

[lost agate]

What about toggeable enhanced speed but at the cost of defensive stats?

[ashen warren]

Well elysian wings I was thinking more offensive since the shield is kinda defensive

[lost agate]

It would be fun to use that and the aegis effect to basically end in the same spot

[ashen warren]

And seraph is max mobility

[devout seal]

Meanwhile i personally find no reason to even use the elysian wings.

[lost agate]

So toggleable enhanced damage?

In exchange of defensive stats

[ashen warren]

That's the point of this Ion

I can't think of any kind of balanced toggle effect for wings

[devout seal]

I just see no reason to use them, tbh

[ashen warren]

Would you use them if they helped deal damage and still increased run time just not as much as seraph?

[devout seal]

I barely even look at what they do, a stat change isn't going to make most people use them

[ashen warren]

If the stat change was 10% damage and crit I guarantee people would use them more

[lost agate]

I mean, if they basically were an offensive tracers i would use them

It would be a fair choice

Little less mobility over damage

I dig it