suggestions-discussion

[vague olive]

The hell is a bannaner

[dense girder]

you have enough money by that point in the gam

game*

you don't need that at all

not to mention the most expensive isn't always the best

case-in-point: light pickaxes, ruthless summoning items, etc

[rich prawn]

money's not the problem

[fervent zealot]

legendary is good for picks in most cases

[rich prawn]

reforging's just dum

[teal shoal]

But its sometimes just ridiculous to get prefix off and about those its unpolished idea srill

Best could be like have an ui which lets you like choose what prefix you want but really that could be hell to program

[dense girder]

not to mention completely impractical

well practical maybe

but it makes it ridiculously easy

you gotta spend money to make money

[teal shoal]

Id rather take that than braindead spamming mouse

Because money is nonissue post dog lets be hinest

[radiant meadow]

They could try and make a UI similar to the reforge picker in HERO's mod although I don't know how they would make it cost money. If it didn't cost money, you might as well use HERO's mod.

[dense girder]

why would you braindead spam mouse smh

reforging is about observation

also hero's mod is awful don't

[shadow prism]

maybe just add an option to draedon's forge where for 5x an item's sell value you could pick the prefix

[dense girder]

what a good idea

[night cradle]

^

[radiant meadow]

Well, money's not really a problem. The sentinels and guardians drop tons of money.

[alpine garnet]

I got more than enough money from farming crystal

120 yharon bags

[radiant meadow]

Losing to phase 2 dog nets you a lot of money too from the sentinels

[shadow prism]

armageddon post-ml astrageldon drops 450 plat per kill

[night cradle]

Desert Scourge drops 50~ per kill on Rev

[chrome holly]

Small question, what does the check mark means?

[radiant meadow]

it's in the pins

[chrome holly]

Thanks, I had missed that one

[wanton sun]

Money is literally not an issue

Use Armageddon on astralgeldon post ml

You're done

[hollow shell]

@cyan lagoon Core of Calamity exists

[cyan lagoon]

oh yeah

[hollow shell]

And a lot of Bar of Life recipes use Core of Calamity anyway

[sleek wadi]

Also seems like an unnecessary cost increase

[cyan lagoon]

but Rover, here's the thing

The Core of Calamity recipe is largely expensive

5 of each core just for one

[hollow shell]

Well remember that you need 1 essence and 1 ectoplasm to craft 3 of each respective core

meaning
5 of each essence and 15 ectoplasm gives you 3 Cores of Calamity

Yeah I guess it's a bit expensive but Ectoplasm ain't exactly hard to come by, and Zergs exist

[cyan lagoon]

problem with zergs is that they're pretty much your only optimal grind around that point

especially since they can now be obtained without killing any boss whatsoever (center planetoid has an alchemy station)

[rugged finch]

Oh thats cool

I didnt realise it had an alchemy station

[cyan lagoon]

If there was a way to lock zergs behind a certain point, then water candles/battle potions could actually be somewhat useful

But as it stands, water candles are pretty much worthless and battle potions are just to craft the much more superior zerg (if you didn't have enough blood orbs to start with)

[ruby cobalt]

Well, there's already a way to lock zergs behind a wall.

And that's blood moon's random appearance.

[hollow shell]

That's not a wall
That's a dice roll

[cyan lagoon]

^

you could get a blood moon on your very first night

[ruby cobalt]

I mean, it is a "wall".

[hollow shell]

It's a bad wall

can't block shit

[ruby cobalt]

A wall of RNG, if we're at it.

[cyan lagoon]

then it straight up supports the other recipe

which isn't locked behind rng

and is also still pre-boss

[ruby cobalt]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Blame the devs, not me.

I wasn't the one who put it in place.

[hollow shell]

Has somebody already suggested that the Planetoid's Alchemy Table be replaced with a Sawmill or Heavy Work Bench?
I remember seeing that but I don't know if it was in #suggestions-voting or not.

[ruby cobalt]

That was also the reason why I asked Fab on whether the speedrun abyss was intended and he said that he's not going to block it.

[cyan lagoon]

there was something like that, rover

[hollow shell]

Yeah, it was A Dead Meme 10 days ago

[cyan lagoon]

Zerg should atleast imo

require alot more blood orbs (around 40 or 50), or be locked behind post-golem, post-plantera/calamitas, or post-mechs

since once you get a single zerg

you can have enough for the entire game

getting what is pretty much minimum grinding should be a rewarding challenge

not something you can get in the first three hours of the game

and never use any other spawning methods again since 30x spawnrate will always be chosen over Battle's and Water Candle's minimal spawn increases

[ashen warren]

Well there is this mod called AlchemistNPC...

Lots of people just use that anyway

[hollow shell]

Calamity isn't and never will be AlchemistNPC

[ashen warren]

Yeah you’re right

But potion locks are broken by pretty much every mod is all I’m saying

Besides using a Zerg potion with prehardmode gear is a really quick way of ensuring your death

[ruby cobalt]

@hollow shell ye, but the thing is, there's already a heavy workbench inside alongside with the alch table

[hollow shell]

aight

[ashen warren]

A much more simple lock would be to just make the blocks in there something that can’t be broken by a pickaxe that’s nightmare or lower, and suddenly you can’t get in to get the alchemy table

[hollow shell]

Well the Alchemy Table would also have to be moved away from the wall

[cyan lagoon]

that doesn't solve anything though

since you can just fight enough creepers/eow segments

[cyan lagoon]

craft the pickaxe, then still get the zergs preboss

[ruby cobalt]

Ye, but who's going to know about the fact that you can't break those blocks?

[hollow shell]

?

[ruby cobalt]

Besides the superzerg strat is already a speedrun strat that doesn't involve newcomers.

[ashen warren]

You make them a block like the dungeon brick or something

[cyan lagoon]

bombs

[hollow shell]

yeah knowledge isn't really the issue

[ashen warren]

Bombs don’t blow up the dungeon until skeletron is dead

Or is it at all? I can’t remember I’ve been playing to much pocket edition

[ruby cobalt]

Actually, bombs never blow up dungeon.

[heady comet]

Zen is too powerful

[ruby cobalt]

Neither does dynamite.

Or so I recall.

[ashen warren]

Well there you go

[hollow shell]

Yeah they're explosion-proof

[ashen warren]

Fargo’s bomb does iirc

[cyan lagoon]

huh

i swear bombs worked on dungeon bricks

[ashen warren]

Nope they’re resistant enough for bombs, but not resistant enough for the pickaxe

[gusty geode]

Finally someone understands

[ashen warren]

https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Dungeon_Brick

[gusty geode]

Also is this a debate about dismantling the Dungeon brick by brick to get an Alchemy Table pre-boss
At that point is it even worth the effort

[hollow shell]

Nah, it's about replacing the Stone Slab in the central planetoid with Dungeon Brick

[ashen warren]

Nope it’s a discussion about locking up the one in the planetoid

[gusty geode]

That makes much more sense

[ashen warren]

I can see your confusion though

[ruby cobalt]

You mean, this discussion is about killing the early abyss strat that relies on RNG.

[cyan lagoon]

Having it post-Eater/Brain still doesn't fix much imo

[hollow shell]

It still requires more effort than just

going up

[cyan lagoon]

Yeah, that's a good thing

[hollow shell]

Indeed

[cyan lagoon]

but not in the right intentions

Though now if the dungeon bricks thing came into effect it would be even earlier in progression prior to the planetoid

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[ashen warren]

Here’s a thing to consider- a player still has access to Zerg potions pre EoC since all the materials drop before any boss is downed

[ruby cobalt]

You serious?

[hollow shell]

Nope

Zergs require an Alchemy Table in both recipes

[ruby cobalt]

A player has access to zergs pre-boss rn.

[hollow shell]

If the Alchemy Table was removed from the planetoid, then Zergs would indeed be moved to post-Skeletron

[ruby cobalt]

And that would kill the early Abyss speedrun strat (and Fab's ok with it being there).

[hollow shell]

What the heck is this speedrun strat you're talking about

[cyan lagoon]

make zerg require unholy water or an essence/core of chaos and vice versa for zen

[ruby cobalt]

Oh, here's a thing.

1. Get a Zen pot.
2. Go into dungeon and hope to get a golden key
3. HOPE to get a shadow key

[cyan lagoon]

like how revivify uses holy waters instead of a single bottled water

[ruby cobalt]

That's pretty much the speedrun strat.

It relies on RNG in 3 points.

[hollow shell]

Zen Potion reduces Dungeon Guardian spawns?

[ruby cobalt]

I mean, DGs are normal enemies.

So yes.

[hollow shell]

That sounds like crap

[ruby cobalt]

Fab's alright with it.

[hollow shell]

Fab was also alright with the Future Bosses

[cyan lagoon]

And guess how that turned out

[ruby cobalt]

True.

[gusty geode]

How about instead just make Zerg non-craftable with Blood Orbs, that way people still get easy access to most potions but you still have to actually work for the ultimate grinding tool

[cyan lagoon]

still pre-boss

[hollow shell]

We could do it like Revivify Potion and make the recipe require Unholy Water / Blood Water, like Cob was saying

That'd lock it beh- wait

[cyan lagoon]

once again

the other recipe

[hollow shell]

Crud, Unholy Water and Blood Water aren't Hardmode

unlike Holy Water

(I cannot spell today)

[cyan lagoon]

make it include souls of night/ashes of calamity

[ruby cobalt]

Actually, why are we freaking out over zerg/zen pots being available pre-boss?

[hollow shell]

Battle Potions and Water Candles (and Calming Potion and Peace Candles) are made useless because of it

some progression in the player's ability is a good thing

makes Zergs/Zens actually feel like an upgrade

and not just

a thing that you have

[cyan lagoon]

Because they make spawn controlling take no effort

[gusty geode]

Yeah the other recipe is still technically pre-boss, but it would still be a lot harder to get since the ingredients are from all the most dangerous biomes in the game at that stage

[hollow shell]

Of course we wouldn't just change the Blood Orb recipe

[ruby cobalt]

Watch this.

Just move Blood Orbs to HM.

[hollow shell]

I mean, yeah that'd work
I'd kinda like to see that happen actually

But I know a lot of people wouldn't like that

[ruby cobalt]

Nobody would like that.

Only general public's opinion is included

[cyan lagoon]

Better than being pre-boss or Post-ML

[hollow shell]

Post-Skeletron via Alchemy Table is a decent locking point for being able to use Blood Orbs in any recipes
so that way you have time to struggle with potions, and also time to rack up Blood Orbs for later use

[ruby cobalt]

Ye, but how do you lock it behind?

A new crafting station?

Removing it?

[hollow shell]

For Hardmode, you mean?

[ruby cobalt]

Nah, to post-skele.

Both actually work.

[hollow shell]

Just don't have the Alchemy Table in the central planetoid

[ruby cobalt]

Or you could still keep it (and it would be an assish thing to do) and add a new station that would give you something like 50% to keep ingredients, and would be crafted from 200 blood orbs and an alch station.

[hollow shell]

Jesus Dick

[ruby cobalt]

GRIND IT UP, BABY!!

[hollow shell]

I prefer to just

[heady comet]

Jesus dick

[hollow shell]

not do that

[ruby cobalt]

But ye, removing it would also do the same thing.

[hollow shell]

It wouldn't

but

okay

[ruby cobalt]

I mean, if you're not willing to farm it up through praying to RNG it practically is unusable until the point where you're supposed to get it oh fucking wait I'm an idiot

[hollow shell]

You see?

[ruby cobalt]

Yeh, I just got the problem with it, sorry.

Didn't think it through.

It seems like removing it from the planetoid is the only solution then.

[heady comet]

Removing planetoids

[ruby cobalt]

spoiler: it isn't but whatever

[gritty crow]

Or give Zerg potions an upgrade EVEN FURTHER BEYOND

Hmm... actually...

[hollow shell]

Don't even

[gritty crow]

Hey at least see what my suggestion is before bashing it

[hollow shell]

You already said what it is

[terse rain]

what if I told you that I actually like the ability to obtain zerg immediately

[gritty crow]

No I mean, I have an idea for a helpful one post Yharon
Basically it raises spawnrates, but also increases the odds of the rarer enemies spawning

[hollow shell]

That sounds like a bitch to program but sure, go ahead then

[terse rain]

the alchemy station in the central planetoid makes life easier

[hollow shell]

Easier =/= good

[gritty crow]

I think that's part of his problem, it's TOO easy

[hollow shell]

The game would be a lot easier if you got the Exoblade from the Starter Bag

[terse rain]

also battle potions still work with zerg on iirc

[hollow shell]

Thats not the issue

[gritty crow]

Except you can't wield it

[hollow shell]

oh right lol

there

[terse rain]

" Zerg Potions can be obtained immediately, rendering Water Candles and Battle Potions (or other equivalent early-game potion predecessors) useless."

[cyan lagoon]

Actually it pretty much doesn't

[gritty crow]

Yeah exactly

[cyan lagoon]

because battle's bonuses are negligible

Since Zerg is 30x

[hollow shell]

turns 30x into like, 32x

[gritty crow]

Except that a beginning player would completely die using a zerg pot

[terse rain]

even if it doesn't I really don't care

[hollow shell]

Ok cool glad you contributed

[gritty crow]

Copper shortsword won't save you now

[cyan lagoon]

no they wouldn't

[terse rain]

complaining about zerg potions being obtained too early is like complaining about cosmolight being to early

[cyan lagoon]

they'd just rig their surroundings with lava and trap themselves in a box

Here's the thing nick

[terse rain]

they're both just items that eliminate farm time

[cyan lagoon]

both items are extremely gamechangings

[terse rain]

wait time

[cyan lagoon]

And both require little effort in order to achieve

[terse rain]

correct

[hollow shell]

It's satisfying to eliminate wait times
And such wait times exist for a reason

[terse rain]

to lengthen the gameplay?

[hollow shell]

If you removed all travelling from Terraria and, say,
had the Astral Arcanum's teleports right from the start

That'd suck

[terse rain]

travelling is difficult and you risk death doing it

[gritty crow]

I do honestly see where Source Person is coming from, getting an alch table early like that is a bit broken
I personally am indifferent to the idea, but still

[terse rain]

the point that cosmolight is obtained, night isn't too much of a threat at all

and as for zerg, it's more dangerous than just waiting the farming out

[hollow shell]

Aight, I see your points
I still think that there shouldn't be an immediate Alchemy Table, but
I at least see some reason for it being there

[neon panther]

I think it’d be better if there were special enemies or something that made it possible to get it, but quite difficult for an early game player. Even making the crags enemies spawn there could make sense (cinderplate)

or like, a pre-hm cloud elemental

[sinful violet]

mm

[lost agate]

Making an enemy drop an entire table is really something

[neon panther]

no I mean, it stays the same, but tough enemies guard it

[lost agate]

But, making zerg and such is impossible if you havent got a blood moon or went to hell y'know

[lament turret]

Also, what would you particularly farm pre-Skeletron?

[sleek wadi]

Halibut Cannon

[lament turret]

Oh yes, with a Zerg potion

That totally won't get you massacred

[willow trout]

Zerg is amazing

[gusty geode]

Lens, Wulfrum Shards, King Slime

[ashen warren]

Hey question- what does it mean when a suggestion gets the green check mark? Is it going in the game, or just it has enough to qualify?

[frosty kindle]

has a chance of getting in game, but is usually placed on a suggestion worthy to enter the dev channel. this means that most/all devs HAVE seen the suggestion.

[shadow prism]

it gets sent to the dev server

[frosty kindle]

this doesnt guarantee that it gets in game, however

[ashen warren]

Gotcha

[frosty kindle]

Uncle Danny's pin has full details

[ashen warren]

Ohhh so the bot is officially dead then?

[frosty kindle]

Triv is working on getting it back, but problems with Discord is slowing progress down.

[gritty crow]

RIP Bot
2018-2018

[ashen warren]

Boosting certain creature spawnrates... is that even possible?

[split hatch]

people should be writing unique suggestions, and not "adding on" to them so people aren't scouring around for this other arbitrary post.

[night cradle]

124-245 damage

Meanwhile SHPC does 20~

[ashen warren]

Well i could've just stolen the entire suggestion

Remember suggestions are for brainstorming and not for stealing others ideas

And i do think that something needs to be done about the alchemy table

[hollow shell]

@maiden heath Please proofread your suggestion, and add punctuation.
It's pretty hard to understand at the moment

[strong monolith]

Legendary weapon
1 in 6 chance
Sorry to say this but all legendary weapons have a 1 in 100 chance

[hollow shell]

Legendary weapons also don't scale anymore

[wanton sun]

cept halibut

[hollow shell]

pff
that's not legendary

[wanton sun]

really? then what is it

[hollow shell]

A weapon.

[strong monolith]

Halibut is not legendary but it's godly

[wanton sun]

your point?

[ruby cobalt]

So yes, all weapons that are exclusive to Rev are legendaries now.

Especially SotD.

Your point?

[hollow shell]

Legendary Weapons have "Legendary Drop" in their tooltip

That's literally their only distinction

[calm loom]

I think legendarys could be just a bit more viable, but that’s just me

[potent vortex]

isn't that too much legendary at one point of the game

[ancient dragon]

Legendaries = Exclusive Revengeance weapons.
Exclusive Revengeance weapons =/= Legendaries.

I'm a tad bit late to that convo, but it still gave me a pang of logical pain to read it.

[ruby cobalt]

"B-BUT IT BEHAVES JUST LIKE A LEGENDARY!"

[ancient dragon]

...Either way, I don't think there'll ever even be another 'scaling' weapon to be added.
That concept's basically dead, and so is the viability of the weapons themselves.

[little jolt]

Is there even a point to calling stuff legendary anymore

besides a remnant of the past

[ancient dragon]

Not really, no.

[unique vector]

@lunar berry for the storm weaver part

that makes it super easy to kill it after it morphs

the astrum deus part is okay

[ancient dragon]

Imagine a wall of worms descending upon you that barely gives you room to begin the walk-the-worm routine.

[unique vector]

lol

armaggeddon

[heady rain]

"1 in 6 precent chance"

[hollow shell]

Storm Weaver could be invincible for the animation

[lost agate]

That person wants a worm rain

[hollow shell]

Or
SW's Defense/DR/Health can be increased in the second phase
if we're so dependant the current need to refocus on it for fight-length

[lost agate]

Doesnt matter if you got op weapons tho

[hollow shell]

That can be said for any boss

[lost agate]

Yup

[lunar berry]

I think storm weaver should change form instantly

[ashen warren]

It’s rarted that it has two whole entities instead of just one that goes through a texture change at a health marker and shit

[bitter topaz]

storm weaver spawning in like that is due to the fact you could just instakill phase 2 as it spawns if it spawned like cloneamitas phase 2

[lost agate]

Why is it that almost all worm type bosses get constantly destroyed?

[bitter topaz]

because not every boss is a Worm Boss™

they can't combine to form the ultimate worm god

[dense girder]

@ashen warren good morning

[ashen warren]

Thanks

[dense girder]

"exp tier"

small error

[ashen warren]

Shut the up

[dense girder]

just trying help of you

[ashen warren]

Thank

I have fixed

[lost agate]

dont do ranged

[ashen warren]

I never do ranged but for those that do

I thought it would be cool for them to fight scal while being able to see

[tight chasm]

If you want a not-laggy exo weapon I feel you may be interested in my planned Untouchable Reward

[ashen warren]

Is that the dratornelius I keep hearing about?

[tight chasm]

Mhm

Drataliornus

[ashen warren]

well I hope your untouchable reward gets in than

[bitter topaz]

untouchable/DI rewards always get in

they're rewards for a reason

[tight chasm]

it probably will as soon as Terry stops slaving for Fargo

[bitter topaz]

tbh we should kidnap fargo and force him to work on calamity

[tight chasm]

We should probably not talk about that here tho

[ashen warren]

They don't always get in

[worthy fiber]

Teragat's sorta got in

It was supposed to be a Rainbow Crystal sentry upgrade for Yharon

now it's the silva crystal

[ashen warren]

Ik pinkies didn't

[worthy fiber]

which is pinkies?

[ashen warren]

I don't remember the full description

Think it was some throwing weapon upgrade to daybreak

[worthy fiber]

hmm, ok

[tight chasm]

It could get in, it may just not be made yet

[night cradle]

You know that the debuff things are Expert mechanic?

BoC can inflict Broken Armor, Confused, Weak, Poison (yes even this), Bleeding, Slow and other debuffs
iirc it can inflict 8 or 9

Same with Creepers

[bitter topaz]

just take slow away from BoC in rev+ imo

[worthy fiber]

slow forces you to no-hit

[bitter topaz]

it combined with the movement penalty of horror makes BoC annoying as shit when combined with Creeper Hell™

[maiden heath]

man i cant belve this

i got 5 stars

XD

[lunar berry]

I got 55 xd

[maiden heath]

lol

[tight chasm]

Can you don’t please. Bragging about star count is a bit obnoxious

[maiden heath]

im just suprised xD

that i have 6

[lunar berry]

I got 8 views on my YouTube video get on my level skrub

[tight chasm]

For the love of god please no, even if that is satire

[lost agate]

I have suggestion and im still figuring out how to make it be good, how about that?

[ruby cobalt]

Wanna drop it here?

[lost agate]

Nah, not yet

[ruby cobalt]

@maiden heath any big brain suggestions

[maiden heath]

wdym?

[ruby cobalt]

Ye, any explanations are pointless.

[maiden heath]

was it good though?

[ruby cobalt]

Start with dev gear and then end with "SCal will be changed".

[bitter topaz]

that suggestion is awful

[ruby cobalt]

No, it was fucking shit.

[maiden heath]

dev gear

df

[ashen warren]

"- Developer item suggestions will also never be accepted"

also tbh that suggestion is bad

[bitter topaz]

anything related to shadowspec will never be accepted

[lost agate]

Minning is pointless at that point tbh

[maiden heath]

ok i removed it

[ruby cobalt]

Good boy.

[rugged finch]

[maiden heath]

ima put another one that MIGHT be better

[dense girder]

i'm so close hnnnnnnnng 🔫

also

what do y'all think of a ultra liquidator upgrade

[rugged finch]

Eh, isn't that already pretty late game

[dense girder]

just after ml

[rugged finch]

Oh

Brain goofed

[ashen warren]

i personally don't see a point but go for it i guess

[rugged finch]

Thought it was post-DoG

[bitter topaz]

infinite IQ suggestion

[lost agate]

Dude, dev stuff wont be changed

Demonshade is dev, so what conclusion can you get?

[maiden heath]

kill me

ima just keep mine of the legendarie weapon

[rugged finch]

What if touching the void in Ceaseless void 1-hit you?

[bitter topaz]

please no

[neon panther]

i said that a long time ago smh

[bitter topaz]

that'd just be dumb

[ruby cobalt]

Ass to code, already was suggested.

[neon panther]

wouldnt be that ass to code tbh

[bitter topaz]

it wouldn't even make sense lore-wise

[ruby cobalt]

I mean, you'd have to split him into 2 NPCs.

[rugged finch]

Ooops wrong channel to say this in, thought this was #calamity-mod-talk

[neon panther]

it'd make more sense lore-wise

[ruby cobalt]

It does and doesn't make sense at the same time.

[bitter topaz]

no it wouldn't, the void is fully contained

[ruby cobalt]

He's a rift between dimensions, but he's contained.

[rugged finch]

Imagine seperately spawning the 1-hit kill NPC, just invisibly floating around and theres a chance it would kill you every so often lol

[ruby cobalt]

The thing is, CV would be split into 2 parts.

Void and the circle around him.

And they would have to stay on top of each other.

[bitter topaz]

ceaseless becomes yet another Worm Boss™ and just has the circle placed ontop of him

[ruby cobalt]

Calamity's a wormhell for a reason, right

[sleek wigeon]

@ashen warren isnt that just photoviserator?

[bitter topaz]

photoviserator doesn't count because it's god-awful

[sleek wigeon]

Poor photovis :(

[shadow prism]

Cosmic Hook or Cosmic Rod
Summons an enchanted block of cosmilite at the cursor’s position that pulls the player toward it extremely rapidly
Gravitational manipulation
Made from 1 lunar hook + 1 ice rod + 10 cosmilite bars + 10 phantoplasm + 5 galactica singularities at a Draedon’s forge

The blocks last for 1 second before disappearing and it can’t move you through blocks

[lyric radish]

calamity does need to add a hook

[shadow prism]

It’s basically a cooldown-free pseudo-RoD that can’t dodge through enemy attacks (ie if you tried to use it through ML’s deathray you’d still be hit)

[ruby cobalt]

Ye, that's not bad.

Actually thought out suggestion?

Rare sight these days.

[lyric radish]

put it on #suggestions-voting

[split hatch]

Does it pull the player through blocks?

[lyric radish]

The blocks last for 1 second before disappearing and it can’t move you through blocks

[neon panther]

now i like that

that is a cool suggestion

is it equipped in your hook slot or is it a normal item slot?

[shadow prism]

Normal item

[lyric radish]

this is sad

[ruby cobalt]

That's a big nerf right there.

But I guess it balances out the fact that it's a CD-less RoD that doesn't allow you to magically poof.

[ashen warren]

@sleek wigeon yeah but that's not viable because it sucks

[chrome holly]

Yeah, I'd like to see a PML hook

[ashen warren]

@shadow prism would it have to latch onto a block to pull you or would it just pull you through the air quickly

[lyric radish]

It’s basically a cooldown-free pseudo-RoD

read the suggestion

[ashen warren]

Although I would think it would be more useful as a hook

I did

[sleek wigeon]

Whos to say your new weapon would be viable?

[ashen warren]

Cool down free pseudo rod doesn't mean much to me

Well I hope it would or why would it be added

[sleek wigeon]

Why not buff photovis instead though?

Why not buff bad items instead of just adding new ones?

[ashen warren]

Because guns are a really big part of the ranged class

[sleek wigeon]

So?

[ashen warren]

And photo is a flamethrower, and flamethrowers are hard to make viable for bosses

[sleek wigeon]

Flamethrowers function almost exactly like guns.

[ashen warren]

They don't have the longest range, they are usually piercing so scal will be resistant

No they dont

[sleek wigeon]

Photovis ignores i frames

iirc

How do they not function like guns other than ammo type and range?

[ashen warren]

Piercing

Lack of homing

Lack of customizable bullets

Less range

[sleek wigeon]

All that falls under ammo type and range

[ashen warren]

Which are very different

And important differences

[tired haven]

I mean biggest difference I have to note is that flamethrowers have delayed attack end... but it is present for guns like hailbutt as well

Though at that point we could argue that bows are guns

[night cradle]

we need more hooks

[lyric radish]

bows aren't guns? :0

[sleek wigeon]

Agreed, as long as its long range, fast pulling single/2 pronged hooks

[ashen warren]

I personally think Electro's suggestion would be better off as a hook

[lyric radish]

it is a hook that can be hooked anywhere

[ashen warren]

Yeah but in the middle of a fight

Your always going to pick rod if it's a normal item

If it's a hook it could be a really cool way to quickly change directions, or dodge

But if it's a normal item it's going to be hard to hotkey both that and the rod, as well as the delay you get from item switching making it hard to use effectively

[lyric radish]

from what i got, it's a hook that doesn't have all the animation stuff (which makes it pretty fast) and can be hooked on air

[ashen warren]

Yeah ik that

[lyric radish]

do you mean like

[ashen warren]

I just think it should behave like a hook that you put in the hook slot

[lyric radish]

being able to use it by pressing E?

[ashen warren]

Yes

[lyric radish]

oh yeah

[slow nova]

also it wouldnt have you be able to stick to the place as far as I get it

[ashen warren]

As of now it's another item

[slow nova]

which could make you bounce around really neatly which sounds cool as hell movement wise

[ashen warren]

Which imo make sit way less useful

That's what I'm thinking too

[lyric radish]

oh yeah like

[ashen warren]

Like it would be really cool if people could get really good with it and use it to dodge

[lyric radish]

would you need to press space to get out after you teleport to it?

[ashen warren]

Probably?

Idk

[lyric radish]

cuz if not, it would suck as the only use i see for hooks: staying in one place while building

[ashen warren]

I'm sorta thinking about it like a controlled dash almost

[lyric radish]

but if it did, would be a bit bad for dodging

[ashen warren]

Yeah but pressing space is easy

[lyric radish]

ye

[ashen warren]

I could see it being really good for bosses like yharon or fish fuck

Depends on how quickly you can move with it

[lyric radish]

honestly, if it doesn't have at least a 1 sec delay or something, it could become a replacement to movement

[shadow prism]

the cosmic rod is essentially ice rod

but if the blocks had extremely strong gravity

and you moved in a straight line to them

it basically summons a block and insta grapples it

[ruby cobalt]

Then the block disappears in one second and you ungrapple.

[shadow prism]

yeah

[deep flax]

What happens when you get 50 stars on Suggestions?

[ruby cobalt]

It gets sent to a dev channel.

That's it.

[shadow prism]

actually should I change my original suggestion and make it a hook

[rugged finch]

Looks fine to me

But your choice

[shadow prism]

I switched it to hook because hotkeying it would make it more useful

[ruby cobalt]

2 versions?

Hook/not hook?

[shadow prism]

Yeah actually that could work also

Alright, my suggestion’s basically finalized now

The blocks now disappear if you get near them so you can launch yourself around using it (you don’t lose momentum after they disappear)

[vague olive]

Hm that sounds pretty useful

[shadow prism]

Blackout
Strikes with the fury of the dark sun

Made from 1 terrarian (the yoyo) + 10 darksun fragments + 15 solar fragments

A yoyo with very low range (doesn’t go far from the player) and a small ring of fire surrounding it a la inferno

The fire has a 100% chance to inflict holy flames and daybroken for 4 seconds each, but does no damage

The yoyo itself has a 100% chance to inflict marked for death and armor crunch for 1 second each and has a base damage of 1, but ignores i-frames and its damage increases the longer it’s used continuously on a target up to a maximum of 5,000 damage per frame after 5 seconds

If the yoyo stops making direct contact with its target, its damage resets to 1 per frame

It's a high-risk, high-reward weapon that can absolutely destroy targets but requires staying close to them and having good aim

If you get hit, have bad aim or can't follow things then it's awful

[frosty kindle]

i was adding a star but forgot that this is the suggestion discussion channel

[radiant meadow]

I guess that's why a briefly saw a star

[frosty kindle]

yep

[tired haven]

If you didn't tell that I'd have never noticed

[radiant meadow]

^

[tired haven]

Coming to suggestion discussion though, how would one try to hold yoyo in target continiously if they are not supposed to ever get into enemies and any kind of kb yoyos receive would be considered as charge reset?

[radiant meadow]

maybe this is a no knockback weapon?

[tired haven]

I mean not knockback stat but that yoyos themselves get kb'ed once they hit enemy

[frosty kindle]

remove the "recoil" feature in that yoyo, maybe?

[radiant meadow]

Maybe it would be better if it only needs to stay in the area of an enemy like maybe with the hitbox of the lacerator

I don't know how hordes would work though

[shadow prism]

yeah it’s a no kb weapon

it would work like magic missile and the like just with much less range

[radiant meadow]

Well apparently even no kb yoyos receive recoil

[shadow prism]

huh

[tired haven]

Yeah, that's what I tried to imply

[shadow prism]

would it still work as a magic weapon that’s literally just a copy of magic missile but with the above stats (excluding range)

[tired haven]

I guess?

[shadow prism]

alternatively, expand the fire ring and make it so everything in said ring takes damage

but only the actual yoyo inflicts the anti dr/def stuff

[radiant meadow]

how far would the yoyo string be?

[shadow prism]

very short

like true melee short (grand guardian, omniblade)

[radiant meadow]

shorter than wood yoyo?

oh no, so it's like face tank needed

oh

I was thinking baghnakhs

Well, I'm sure white string will help circumvent the range

[shadow prism]

it would be really cruel if it had tons of recoil and you had to get it really close to an enemy to hit them with the fire ring but actually hitting them with the yoyo caused it to reset

[calm loom]

What happens if a suggestion has multiple checks🤔

[frosty kindle]

thats just people adding other checkmarks, only 1 is enough

doesnt really matter, how many extra checks are added

[hollow shell]

Cool suggestion, ElectroX

[lyric radish]

i don't think having a set of armor just for exploring the abyss isn't that good

maybe make it a auric tesla helmet or something

[shadow prism]

Abyssal Soul or Abyssal Core

Made from abyssal diving gear + lumenous amulet + reaper tooth necklace + 100 lumenyl + 70 depth cells + 50 tenebris + 20 phantoplasm at an ancient manipulator

inherits effects except reaper tooth is just a straight +10% damage/crit chance increase that becomes 20% when in the abyss

no dr/def reduction

[lost agate]

It wont get stars here tho

[hollow shell]

lmao Fab already did that joke with DoG

Final Phase has 600% health

[ashen warren]

He's tryna get opinions first stell smh

[lost agate]

But he gets kinda wrecked by most stuff tbh

[ashen warren]

Electro has been on fire with the suggestions today smh

[lost agate]

And polterghast resist a ton more time in comparison

Well, if the joke is with doggo, then we should be able to use the muramasa against him xd

[hollow shell]

DoG already has Armstrong references in it anyhow

And yeah that'd be fitting ac-

... that's why he used to drop it in Revengeance

God damn it I just realized that

[lost agate]

I didnt even know that

[hollow shell]

Anyway
That's pretty neat ElectroX but is it really needed?

I could see maybe something like
Adding Lumenous Amulet to the Abyssal Diving Suit's recipe

but Reaper Tooth Necklace is in a totally different ballpark and has much different usages

[lost agate]

Maybe making it with draedon forge instead of the manipulator

[hollow shell]

That's not the problem

The problem is combining things that don't need to, and shouldn't, be combined

[lost agate]

But you could craft as soon as you get the reaper teeth necklace, and those instant upgrades are something calamity disapproves tbh

Unless i forgot something

Its another issue

[hollow shell]

Yeah sure that could be an issue as well

Even though you can technically upgrade the Abyssal Diving Gear into the Abyssal Diving Suit instantly

[lost agate]

Oh right

[hollow shell]

Which
shouldn't be the case, really

[lost agate]

It at least more farming

[hollow shell]

The Diving Gear should require Tenebris instead of Depth Cells and Lumenyl
because that can be obtained pre-Plantera, at the very least

[lost agate]

And it can be a non-instant upgrade if you didnt know how to get tenebris like me

[hollow shell]

It's just
around

in the Abyss

[lost agate]

I didnt know that back then

[hollow shell]

rip

[lost agate]

Also, my throwing suggestion is because my bro is struggling and decided to get the malachite right after beating PbG

And i decided a throwing weapon good throwing weapon would be nice at that point in the game (other than malachite ofc)

[heady comet]

@neon panther Confirmed sinner

[neon panther]

birb is the word

[lost agate]

How would it be different from the one brimmy drops?

[neon panther]

...way faster

[lost agate]

Still not as interesting tbh

[sleek wadi]

Also too small a gap

[shadow prism]

Abyssal flex tape

Consumable, fixes broken diving suit

[lyric radish]

cuts enemies in half

[lost agate]

I sawed this suit in half

[ashen warren]

Than sealed it up with flex tape

Completely dry

[dull kite]

no

[neon panther]

you’d have to ask dokuro to do that

or I guess someone else with music-making ability

it’s a good idea imo but I doubt anyone is willing to do it tbh

[maiden heath]

yeah

it depends how long it will take the music

i still cant belive i got 6 stars

[shadow prism]

Darksun Weapons
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-2ajbqMbwyIG5KYshw9QNfbDGB4_jyu4noh7ShaaePk

[shadow prism]

what does eidolon hook do

[ancient dragon]

@brave girder Elaborate.

[brave girder]

Simply a hook that looks like the head of a wyrm

And has better stats than lunar

The current latest hook

With fast retraction time, better range

Bat hook reminded me of wyrms especially with dyes

[ancient dragon]

Ooookay.
Might wanna add that onto your suggestion instead of just leaving us wondering what you mean.

[shadow prism]

Anyone have thoughts on the Darksun Weapons?

[wanton sun]

Empyrean knives exist

[shadow prism]

Ik, but I wanted it to be a whole tier of weapons

Also gives magic guns and guns a second chance (since there aren’t really many good ones at that point)

[brave girder]

I thought it was clear enough

But I'll add it

[wanton sun]

@lunar berry is that really a suggestion or a statement

and if it wasnt a statement thats literally copying his suggestion

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren Just makin sure
You know the current situation with all three songs bein in-game, right?

[ashen warren]

Yes

Rotjd appears at like 30 or 20%

With original infernal catharis being the whole first phase

[hollow shell]

Aight

[ashen warren]

It's also bugged on rev and only heals up to 60% instead of 100

[hollow shell]

Just didn't notice any "entire"s in there

Thats not a bug

[ashen warren]

Really?

[hollow shell]

Its been a feature since P2 was implemented lol

[ashen warren]

Why would they Nerf rev yharon

It was a feature in like expert I thought

[hollow shell]

All modes heal to different healths

[ashen warren]

Well on 1.3.4.100 it heals the full on rev

On current version it heals to 60

[wanton sun]

it healed 90 on rev

[hollow shell]

Confirmed?

[wanton sun]

1.3.4.1

[ashen warren]

Or 90 yeah

60 was what it healed on my first normal mode playthrough

[ancient dragon]

@ashen warren Crystalline part seems to represent its defensive aspects, while the silk-looking parts are more for the vanity look. A mage not having any of the defense-related visual adjectives makes sense, no?

[worthy fiber]

It's a hat

[ancient dragon]

And the summoner variant is called a Circlet.
Does it resemble one? No.

[ashen warren]

Alright..

You're right

now that wont be bothering me anymore atleast lol

[ancient dragon]

I'll kindly ask of you to inquire for feedback or any sort of commentary before posting more suggestions. That way, the clutter is avoided.

[ashen warren]

Alrighty, sorry.

[ancient dragon]

It's okay, dear.

[hollow shell]

I actually do think it could look more fitting
like, at least have one crystal or ice bit on there somewhere
So I'll keep it starred

[ancient dragon]

I see.

[rancid edge]

zoned out for a second but deleted the standalone message after the initial suggestion. try to keep most your comments in 1 post next time, thanks! @ashen warren

[ancient dragon]

Smh, step the game up.

[ashen warren]

Not gonna lie, I really hate posting on big servers like this because just saying one thing

gives me serious anxiety that THIS might happen

xD

oh look and now im talking in this channel, sorry again >->

[rancid edge]

fella im just tellin you to be concise, but okay,

[ashen warren]

Nobody is upset with you at all

[ancient dragon]

@slow nova Stop the reaction spam, thaaaanks.

[lost agate]

Theres an edit button y'know

Just edit in what you forgot and done

[vague karma]

LET'S DO A BOSS THAT LOOKS LIKE EDGY GARBAGE DISPOSAL

[hollow shell]

@maiden heath "aesthetic" means something that is purely visual and has no effect on function
so, that wouldn't be an "aesthetic change"

[vague karma]

YE

[maiden heath]

Ok

[hollow shell]

👌

[maiden heath]

Changed it

Better?

@hollow shell better?

[outer cedar]

ok, will do

[bitter topaz]

the minishark exists and gives a comparable DPS

and the mana rose also exists,

80 dps isn't that much even in very early game

[ruby cobalt]

80 DPS?

You do realize fucking crystalline has the same?

Actually, not even that, it can clock something close to a 100.

[outer cedar]

Oh

[ruby cobalt]

Seashell Boomerang clocks close to a 100.

[outer cedar]

...

[ruby cobalt]

And here you are, fucking complaining about a boss weapon having measly 80 DPS.

Which is perfectly fine.

Seriously, dude?

[neon panther]

Drh you proved your point no need to attack him now

[ruby cobalt]

I want to get rid of such suggestions completely tbh

[outer cedar]

The only reason that I put it down was because of how easy it is to get and how powerful it is for the stage of the game you get it in. Plus I used it and it was comparable to my mid-prehardmode weapons (and able to shred through most very early game enemies). I haven't tried out the other desert scourge weapons so I may have overlooked a few more powerful weapons.

Please don't kill me

[ruby cobalt]

No, I won't kill you.

Here's the thing about such suggestions - they need to be based on something.

You didn't test out other weapons at the same tier and somehow they were in the same DPS range - boom, bad suggestion created.

Don't get offended by that, it's just me being a salt mine.

[outer cedar]

I haven't tried out every pre-hardmode weapon, so you are very likely right.

[lyric radish]

[ruby cobalt]

If anything it's seashell that should be nerfed.

Although I have no idea how do you do that without completely killing it.

[outer cedar]

I suppose the amount of boomerangs that it is able to throw at once could be reduced or something

[ruby cobalt]

Maybe, maybe.

Lower the damage by 3-4 so it doesn't hit as hard, but is still spammable?

[outer cedar]

posts this on suggestions without actually trying the seashell boomerang because I'm a dumbass

[lunar berry]

Seashell boomerang is too op

[rugged finch]

Yeah.

I've "banned it" in my own playthrough

[outer cedar]

Lol so it's basically like the daedalus stormbow

[ruby cobalt]

Not really.

[tired haven]

Daedalus boomerang when tbh

[shadow prism]

post doggo could use another flail/magic gun/throwing weapon

[tired haven]

Isn't there T1000?

[shadow prism]

yeah but who actually uses that

[ruby cobalt]

Nobody.

[shadow prism]

also it’s kinda just another magic machine gun

whereas like eidolic wail is really unique

[tired haven]

And there are 2 flails postDoG

Like, wth

[shadow prism]

one of which is a 1% drop chance but yeah

[tired haven]

Throwing is only place I agree with tbf

[shadow prism]

I made a list of Darksun Weapons that don’t necessarily have to be locked to Darksun tier

[tired haven]

There is eradicator and exe blade, maybe another kunai-type would be neat

[shadow prism]

light disc 2

[outer cedar]

I just remembered how awful ataxia ranged bonus is with shotguns

[ruby cobalt]

I just remembered how awful shotguns are with piercing ammo.

Hueh

[outer cedar]

Very true

[tired haven]

Ha, try piercing hailbutt

[ruby cobalt]

30 (2) bullets.

[tired haven]

1*

[ruby cobalt]

Oh right, 10 frames isn't enough of a timespan for the second salvo

[tired haven]

It's exactly 10 frames per 30(1) bullets

[lunar berry]

Halibut needs to be actually not broken

[shadow prism]

cosmilite mine layer/launcher? sets large mines that explode after either 3 seconds, being hit by an enemy or hit by a projectile
could also lay a stream of weaker mines, maybe with left/right click?

[outer cedar]

I feel like ataxia chaos flares should only spawn 25% of the time but do 100% of the weapons base damage

[lunar berry]

HmmM

[tired haven]

Then it would be closer to reaver's ranged set

Not sure if it's bad tho

[shadow prism]

reaver ranged with p90

[outer cedar]

reaver w/ soma prime

That would be fun

Welp, off topic

Time to post some retarded idea so that I don't get warned

[tired haven]

Post it here and pretend you check it

[outer cedar]

Yharim's crystal should be buffed

[tired haven]

But y

[lyric radish]

make it drop and unlock from crabulon

[outer cedar]

Yharim's crystal shouldn't use mana

[shadow prism]

The Exile
Left click to lay large mines that detonate on enemy contact
Right click to lay a rapid stream of mines that explode after a short time
Watch your step

Made from 1 proximity mine launcher + 5 cosmilite bars + 5 phantoplasm at a Draedon’s forge

[rugged finch]

I feel like that Watch your step is a reference to something

[tired haven]

I forgot, is Scorpio used in some recipes?

[outer cedar]

Nope

[shadow prism]

It’s not, it’s just a generic mine-related tooltip

[outer cedar]

I think

[shadow prism]

Scorpio isn’t

but it’s a rocket launcher

[rugged finch]

Mmmk

[tired haven]

Well, you could still put it here kinda

Sure it's even more dumb ik

[shadow prism]

Proximity mine launcher is basically useless tho, scorpio is great for pillars/ML

[outer cedar]

Would you say that the flarewing bow is balanced

[tired haven]

I never tested latest version but sounds like it is rn

[ruby cobalt]

Perfectly balanced with piercing ammo.

[tired haven]

[ruby cobalt]

And even without it it's ok now, no pre-mech fishron material though.

[shadow prism]

anyone have thoughts/suggestions on my darksun weapons from last night

[lyric radish]

HELL YEAH

#smallScreenLivesMatter

[ashen warren]

si

[opal barn]

That isn't exactly possible afaik

[ashen warren]

pls fab

but isn't there a way to edit the settings to "open" the lock that's put on smaller res computers?

[dense girder]

preparing to make a couple early-game weapon suggestions

how's this so far

We can all agree that there's not a lot for early-on mages to use, right? Coral Spout and Wand of Sparking maybe, but those are universally agreed as bad and if you don't agree you're bad I respect that. So, I'll post a couple of early-game magic weapons, starting with:
Wand of Igniting
A direct upgrade to the Wand of Sparking. The flame is bigger, travels further and does more damage.
Wand of Sparking + 50 Gel + 3 Rotten Chunks/Vertebrae @ an Anvil

[bitter topaz]

the mana rose and space gun exist

[dense girder]

yeah but

[bitter topaz]

and so do the staves

[dense girder]

mana rose

the jungle rose is nigh-impossible to get or at the least annoying

[bitter topaz]

the mana rose is fucking amazing wdym?

[dense girder]

space gun is still hard to get

this is like, early-early game

[thin nymph]

hard to get

[bitter topaz]

you mean when you're using staves?

still easy

[dense girder]

i don't know what a stave is smh

i dum

[rugged finch]

Probably should include it can use vertebrae

[cyan lagoon]

Expensive weapon that has almost zero use whatsoever

[dense girder]

anyways

as for the weapon itself

is it good

yes? ok good

trying to work on this:
Pebblestorm
Fires off multiple tiny rock fragments in a manner not unlike the Crystal Storm. Occasionally shoots a gem that can inflict a debuff.
50 Stone + Book + Amethyst, Topaz, Ruby x1 @ a Bookshelf

any ideas as to what I could replace ??? with?

[ruby cobalt]

Book.

[dense girder]

I thought of that

But I feared backlash for some dumb shit like

"uwu it means go to dungeon and get book maybe dont do that and by time do that better magic weps" or some incomprehensible riddle

book sounds good though

[chilly zealot]

50 stone + book at bookshelf is honestly what I'd do

Maybe even throw in a gem of some sort

[dense girder]

bookshelf i dunno

for such a weak weapon a bookshelf is overkill

it's meant to be like

pre-EoW

keep that in mind

[chilly zealot]

If you can get 1 book to make it you can get 10-20 for a booksehelf

[ruby cobalt]

Ye, and that makes it pre-EoW.

You don't need a spelltome for it.

You don't need 50 books for it.

[dense girder]

why do i even speak smh

[ruby cobalt]

It's a singular book, which involves just going off to the dungeon once.

And you don't even need to enter it.

Don't be afraid of "it being dumb shit", if it truly is dumb shit I will come and personally eat your pant

[dense girder]

Pebblestorm
Fires off multiple tiny rock fragments in a manner not unlike the Crystal Storm. Occasionally shoots a gem that can inflict a debuff very briefly.
50 Stone + Book + Amethyst, Topaz, Ruby x1 @ a Bookshelf

that's what i got

the amethyst would do shadowflame, topaz would do on fire, ruby would do VULNERABILITY HEX jk also on fire

[ruby cobalt]

Not too bad.

[rugged finch]

THORIUM COPY

[ruby cobalt]

EEEEEEEEEEEEE

[dense girder]

i don't play thorium and know none of its weapons

ergo i can't copy consciesccwssdrely

i can't spell that word

[rugged finch]

Basically you can make gem weapons which all inflict a set debuff, eventually these are made into one weapon

Early game too

[dense girder]

sounds pretty fucking gay

[ruby cobalt]

Oh ye, that exists.

A shame that I never made it because I considered it shit.

And it probably was

[dense girder]

hmm so

early-game wand of babby flame and crystal storm ctrl+c ctrl+v

anything else you think could be done, fellas?

[ruby cobalt]

https://thoriummod.gamepedia.com/Magik_Staff
It's this item btw.

[dense girder]

that's magic with a k

[ruby cobalt]

Yes.

[dense girder]

not even going to bother to open it

oh fuck

not ben sharpie

[ashen warren]

@ashen warren how is calamity supposed to fix a vanilla feature like that

i do agree that its somewhat unfair that some people are able to see way more just because of monitor size

idk, calamity's done a lot of things I didn't think was possible

[dense girder]

really working on this one
Unnamed
Has a kind of slow usage speed. On use, summons a boulder at the cursor that falls down (on the ground or the enemy, either is preferable) and explodes into small rock fragments.
100 Stone + 7 Wood @ a Work Bench

no name and still a WIP idea

[ruby cobalt]

Does that basically make it Staff of Earth except you summon the boulder instead of spitting it?

[dense girder]

Just a generic boulder, like you'd find in a Boulder Trap underground

Summons it at the cursor, it falls down and then explodes into small rock fragments

If it lands on an enemy does a fair bit of damage

Not the 300 damage bullshit a real boulder would do though

[tired haven]

How about adding actually worthy materials and not making it either 5 dmg pebble or op shit

[dense girder]

well it's a boulder and rock fragments

what more is there to add? silk?

no, not silk

[ashen warren]

calamitous essence would be good tbh

[tired haven]

[dense girder]

i thought of posting the original idea i had as a meme with calamitous essence

then i realised

"wait a minute, i'll get warned like ben sharpeo annoying orange ben"

so i didn't

[tired haven]

Well, let's add Dirt Rod there and call it an upgrade

[dense girder]

dirt rod is dryad

and it costs like 25 gold

[tired haven]

Exactly

[dense girder]

i see where you're coming from though

but idk

dryad only comes after EoC minimum right

or does king slime work

[tired haven]

Get me right, I want this to be neither pebble launcher nor first-minute madness
And yes, postEoC

Just wanting to help, maybe in harsh way but still

[dense girder]

Rock'n'Rod
Has a kind of slow usage speed. On use, summons a boulder at the cursor that falls down (on the ground or the enemy, either is preferable) and explodes into small rock fragments. These have a small chance to inflict the Bleeding debuff.
100 Stone + Dirt Rod @ an Anvil

literally the worst name i've ever given an item ever

[tired haven]

Mhm can't disagree on that one

At least it makes sense

[dense girder]

what do name

or is rocky road alright

no go away elon

[tired haven]

Musk

Eteer

[dense girder]

how about

Stone staff

no that is suck

[tired haven]

Stone Wand? Eh

[dense girder]

but it not wand

[frosty kindle]

Landslide?

[dense girder]

Grizzled Rod, Rockrod

landslide could be a lategame upgrade

i like that

[tired haven]

Rock'n'Rod ehehe

[frosty kindle]

yea

[dense girder]

Rock'n'Rod it is

[frosty kindle]

Landslide is basically a much faster using, higher damage upgrade (?)

[dense girder]

fuck the idea of landslide is making me that sounds fun

Landslide
Summons three boulders in a V shape around the cursor. They fall down, the outer two rolling through enemies for a few blocks, and cause a massive rock explosion that sends shards everywhere.
Rock'n'Rod upgrade placeholder + 8 Chaotic Bars + Staff of the Earth @ Tinkerer's Workshop

how's that

mostly a crowd control weapon

but could work for bosses too

[frosty kindle]

four three?

[chilly zealot]

"four three"

Which is it man?

[dense girder]

oh right

i was going to say four boulders in a diamond shape

then i realised two boulders would fall in the same spot and said "no"

[frosty kindle]

you could make it an upgrade of a dirt rod + aftershock (melee weapon dropped by earth elemental)

[tired haven]

Now the true question tho
Where the middle boulder would go

[dense girder]

read again

[frosty kindle]

aftershock summons boulders on hit

[dense girder]

the outer two would roll

third would just bang

aftershock upgrade? ye sure

[tired haven]

Heck you were ahead of me

[dense girder]

but that'd be diff

since, you know

still need rock'n'rod upgrade

[frosty kindle]

turning a melee weapon into a magic weapon, trust me it works

[dense girder]

how about this for a rock'n'rod upgrade:

[chilly zealot]

but spirit flame turns into astreal defeat

[frosty kindle]

[chilly zealot]

Seriously why do you need spirit flame for astreal defeat?

[dense girder]

shadowflame

[tired haven]

Because you know, flames

[dense girder]

#calamity-mod-talk

how's this for a weapon:

summons boulders in the same fashion as lunar flare

but they roll instead of bang

this'd be a late-game crowd control thing

to plow through enemies constantly

[chilly zealot]

Just checked the recipe, shadowflame bow is already in there

[frosty kindle]

good crowd control, and then the upgraded one "Landslide" would be a weapon viable for bosses, maybe?

[dense girder]

hmm

so you got

Lunar BOHLDOHR for crowd control

and to-be-reworked Aftershock upgrade, Landslide

I like it

[frosty kindle]

probably not the "BOHLDOHR" bit tbh

[dense girder]

LOHNAR BOHLDOHR

(insert hellyes)

[frosty kindle]

no

[dense girder]

aw frick the masons

alright

[tired haven]

PostSCal landslide upgrade tbh

[dense girder]

mud flood

it shot mud

[tired haven]

Must use no u in recipe

I mean syntax error

Meme tho

[dense girder]

on use, summons fabsol who instantly vores your computer and then spits out senator armstrong from metal snake gear

or something like that

[frosty kindle]

remember, no meme suggestions

[dense girder]

if it isn't in #suggestions-voting it isn't a meme suggestion

lemme work out these recipes though brb

[frosty kindle]

i mean ye, but dont post it there

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense girder]

aight gonna post

not the meme thing

the stuff i've been working on

posting separately for separate stars

@frosty kindle dad can i get some stars

father I request a five-point shape (plural)

[ashen warren]

smh I'll do it

[dense girder]

oh thanks toby

why you mod break

[ashen warren]

life stuff

[dense girder]

i won't peck

[ashen warren]

Added them

[dense girder]

thanks fedoraman 👍

[frosty kindle]

say, shouldnt the star be added at the bottom one (or, make the whole suggestion chain one message?) so that if it gets in, all upgrades do as well?

[dense girder]

yeah for the rock'n'rod i'll repost that later

with its upgrades

[frosty kindle]

yeyeye

[ashen warren]

@frosty kindle psst, look in pins, it says something about not putting multiple suggestions in one message

[frosty kindle]

shhh i was talking about the landslide and it's predecessors

[dense girder]

Rock'n'Rod
Has a slow usage speed. On use, summons a boulder at the cursor that falls down (on the ground or the enemy, either is preferable) and explodes into small rock fragments. These have a small chance to inflict the Bleeding debuff.
100 Stone + Dirt Rod @ an Anvil

Tremor Staff
Has a mid-slow usage speed. On use, summons a large boulder at the cursor that falls down and explodes into a large dust cloud (causes Suffocating on contact) that damages enemies as well as rock fragments that fly everywhere. Yes, they can cause Bleeding.
Rock'n'Rod + 3 Living Shards + 77 Dirt @ Mythril Anvil

Rocker of Worlds
Has a normal-fast usage speed. On use, 6 boulders spread out from the cursor and explode into suffocating dust clouds on contact with enemies, producing large quantities of rock fragments that guaranteed-cause Bleeding, chance to cause Broken Armor.
Tremor Staff + Aftershock + ??? @ Mythril Anvil

how's that so far

i'm not sorry for the rocker of worlds

and no that is not a tremor reference

[rugged finch]

Bleeding on enemies?

Doesn't bleeding just stop life regen?

[dense girder]

i don't know man

[rugged finch]

Pretty sure it stops life regen

Unless its a cosmetic effect

[dense girder]

infLICTS VULNERABILITY HEX

[tired haven]

[dense girder]

that rocker of worlds has to be viable for post-plantera

i'm thinking that landslide comes after it