suggestions-discussion

[wooden leaf]

Well i mean that for r3v player taking damage is fatal so only for a little rage is not worth it

[bitter topaz]

you build up rage beforehand

[steep island]

english please

^

[wooden leaf]

How

[bitter topaz]

and the damage increase for rev isn't even that much

[ashen warren]

Ah cool

[wooden leaf]

But the AIs... tho

[bitter topaz]

it's a whopping 15% over expert

[wooden leaf]

I leave now

[bitter topaz]

and rage isn't reset when a boss is summoned, and can built at anytime unlike adrenaline

[steep island]

bye

[dull kite]

I do not agree with this suggestion

[bitter topaz]

now removing rage disappearing when hit is something i can get behind

since that's an actual flaw instead of "i don't know how to build rabge so buff plz"

[ruby cobalt]

Keep the adrenaline deactivation, remove rage's deactivation.

[spice pier]

getting hit and losing adrenaline mode makes sense since it knocks some sense into you

Getting hit while angry just makes you more angry

[ruby cobalt]

^

[bitter topaz]

adrenaline isn't removed while active when you're hit anymore

[spice pier]

well it should be

[ruby cobalt]

It's removed if you haven't built it up.

Is it?

[bitter topaz]

i meant the buff itself

iirc when you activate rage if you're hit the buff goes away

[ruby cobalt]

Well ye.

[bitter topaz]

where-as adrenaline won't be removed while active

also i forgot to specify the "while active" part smh

[ruby cobalt]

Yes.

[neon panther]

oh hey checkmarks exist now

[delicate raft]

Yay

[ashen warren]

aww

[devout seal]

Well, mantis shrimps are indeed pretty strong.

[earnest raptor]

And these become more common, that crabs, jellys and sharks.

[ashen warren]

Mantis shrimp miniboss

[earnest raptor]

Common miniboss

[cyan lagoon]

7 accessory slots is the hardcoded limit

[opal barn]

I think he meant the inventory

[cyan lagoon]

oh

that would be nice, ye

[dense girder]

Emopillar changes the world with 9 words

actually @woven salmon

mind if i build on that vague suggestion and credit you with the idea? post-ml inventory is a bit late

[woven salmon]

Yeah it’s fine

[ashen warren]

Why isnt @earnest raptor started?

Starred

[woven salmon]

Should I delete the original post

[dense girder]

probably

howzat?

[woven salmon]

Good

[ashen warren]

How about lunar pouch

Astral pouch sounds like an astrum Deus thing

[dense girder]

Good thinking

[woven salmon]

Maybe something Post-DoG that you have to craft?

[dense girder]

idk

isn't +20 slots enough by then?

since you won't be doing much digging and such after ML and won't need all the extra slots

[ashen warren]

Two rows would be nice

[woven salmon]

Good point

[dense girder]

2 rows = 20 slots right

[opal barn]

Yes

[dense girder]

aight good

@woven salmon probably best to delete the original since our suggestions are the same but mine has more detail

[opal barn]

No wait, 1 row = 10 slots

I don't why I thought you said 10

[woven salmon]

Ok

[opal barn]

oh wait

I'm a retard

lmao

[dense girder]

yes

@ancient dragon we need some stars boyo

[tardy blaze]

is there a limit to how many accesories a character can have

doesnt terraria have a limit

[vague olive]

Sounds cool but dunno if it would be possible

[hybrid cipher]

@earnest raptor no meme suggestions, removing from this channel

since you've constantly made low effort poorly-worded suggestions

[devout seal]

@tardy blaze Yes, the maximum the game can carry is 7, but some mods do add more because it's that mod adding them.

[opal barn]

I just wanted to ping you toby

[delicate raft]

@polar jasper You're very funny.

[ashen warren]

@polar jasper No meme suggestions, that's a warn

[opal barn]

I wonder what the explanations will be this time

[polar jasper]

:[

[dull kite]

Smh

[tardy blaze]

So if you’re using mods there’s no limit to accessories?

[dense girder]

cheat sheet adds 5 maximum

you could make one to add more

but

no need

[night cradle]

well, Crimson weapons are supposed to be mostly focused on melee
While Corruption ones are supposed to be mostly focused on magic
So I don't think it could work tho

[ashen warren]

Crimson is Offensive

Corruption is Defensive

Don’t think the devs made one focus on one class more than the other

[terse rain]

they didn't

[rich prawn]

murasama (or any fast rage building melee) + super dummies already fills rage at incredible hihg speeds

[ashen warren]

Let’s keep this unspoken

[heady comet]

Its pretty well known

[ashen warren]

Lol

[split hatch]

Yeah, being able to access the essences similar to the souls would be faster, that way I can get a lot more Cinder.

[ashen warren]

It always goes back to Cinder

[ruby cobalt]

It's the worst one to farm, after all.

[ashen warren]

Should we suggest a rule to not allow people to make “addon to the suggestion above” suggestions

Those get fuckin annoying

[neon panther]

just type in here saying "hey [ping] you could add [this] to your suggestion"

[ashen warren]

Yeah

The fuck is with the random Green Checkmark Reactions?

[ashen warren]

Oh yeah

Been a long ass time since I seen that message

[ashen warren]

@ashen warren sorry I assumed youd get more annoyed if i pinged

ill remove it

:() Not saying that

[cyan lagoon]

@ashen warren wrong place...?

[ashen warren]

yep

lol

[cyan lagoon]

The art server has a literature place for you to put it in

[heady comet]

??? ???

[ashen warren]

I meant to put in suggestions

[heady comet]

wHat are you suggesting

[ashen warren]

I was suggesting a boss idea

[cyan lagoon]

they aren't allowed

[ruby cobalt]

Aaand you're out with that.

[ashen warren]

sorry?

I didn't know that wasn't allowed

It’s called read the fuggin pins for Pete’s sake

[sleek wadi]

You know people wouldn't listen to that

[ashen warren]

Worth a shot I guess

[sleek wadi]

Case & Point bugs read pins

[heady comet]

Lol the amount of people with missing planetoids that didnt read #bugs-read-pins

Clearly it doesnt work

[ashen warren]

:() Dear god

[ruby cobalt]

You know nobody even looks at channel names.

We wouldn't have had #help-advice-read-pins or #bugs-read-pins then.

[ashen warren]

[ruby cobalt]

Actually, we didn't have them, until people made docs for FAQ and they were pinned.

[ashen warren]

people make mistakes that's all

just happens we make similar ones

[ruby cobalt]

Yes, those are just mistakes.

With no pattern behind them.

[split hatch]

I'm not gonna lie, I didn't read the pins on #suggestions-voting 😦

Good thing I did, I included a reason edit for why in my suggestion

[ashen warren]

[ruby cobalt]

Tsk, shame that there are inconsistencies in that suggestion.

Like Hermes Boots already having a recipe.

Wait, I can't read.

I swear, dealing with dumbassery on daily basis gets so much brain cells out of you.

[split hatch]

I help people out in technical channels in minecraft, I'm used to dumbassery.

[ruby cobalt]

God bless your soul.

[split hatch]

🤔

[ashen warren]

what an encouraging way to inform people

¯_(ツ)_/¯

People are oblivious sometimes

'hope it does ya good 👌

[sleek wigeon]

I mean

At this rate

every channel will be "read pins"

[split hatch]

It's really hard to get people to read pins, since they usually ignore them like they do the rules 😒
(Which I spent nine minutes reading, those people took their time to write the rules and I might as well read them to stay on here.)

[ashen warren]

Yep

[dusk cave]

Also pins for mobile users are slightly annoying to get to, just in case people are using mobile to look at Discord for whatever reason.

[alpine garnet]

not that hard to check on mobile

[crude quartz]

pins are not annoying on mobile

the only issue is not being able to have gifs play properly

[neon panther]

I’m sorry what

Why

you pretty much have to beat skeletron anyways

[ancient dragon]

@maiden heath Would you care to explain why?

Also, keep your suggestions (including formatting/grammar edits) to a single message.

[maiden heath]

ok

my keyboard is alittle broken

sometimes when i press my keys they dont work

[ancient dragon]

Just... give a good, (preferrably) lengthy explanation to your suggestion, please.
Make it in the post itself, too.

[thorn canyon]

i mean a good example of how it'd work would be maybe "Have it so that if you try to enter the abyss pre-Skeletron the Aquatic Scourge is immediately spawned an agressive to prevent people from doing blah blah blah"

give details : )

[maiden heath]

ok

[thorn canyon]

you can even steal that

[maiden heath]

im not that good at doing it xD

[thorn canyon]

can only get better

[ancient dragon]

And... either way, I'm not exactly too much of a fan of suggestions that limit the amount of experimenting you can do with the game for no real reason.
Terraria being a non-linear sandbox lets you explore and tinker with the game at your own leisure, and nothing should really bar that.

I mean if you can get to the Abyss pre-Skeletron and actually survive, by all means, do so.
Arbitrary restrictions like that have been put in place before but all dismantled together in a single update.

[plush gazelle]

I like having the Abyss available from the start

[ashen warren]

tbh you can go before skeletron however there's no reason to do that loot wise

[plush gazelle]

Last playthrough I got the Halibut cannon and fucking shredded everything

[thorn canyon]

also maybe wanna delete your older things and just have 1 message

[ashen warren]

unless i have missed something in the changelogs

[plush gazelle]

nah, you still need a shadow key to get anything useful

beyond stew, coating and possibly a halibut cannon

[ancient dragon]

@maiden heath That sort-of implies a boss suggestion, and those aren't really allowed.
Also an 'Abyssal Guardian' already exists. It's the Adult Eidolon Wyrm.

[maiden heath]

o

;-;

[plush gazelle]

hm yes lets just spawn an eidolon wyrm pre-king slime

seemsgood

[maiden heath]

yeah

[split hatch]

If the player manages to kill that thing pre-king slime..

lmao!

[plush gazelle]

wooden boomerang OP

[split hatch]

I bet you SOMEONE has done that

[thorn canyon]

laughs at copper broadsword

[neon panther]

@tight chasm this might be considered a low-effort suggestion and require a delete

[plush gazelle]

i know someone beat a dungeon guardian on the first night

[maiden heath]

wait dont you need rod of discord rot the adult Eidolon wyrm?

i hate

my

[split hatch]

Not if this "post-boss" suggestion happens

[tight chasm]

erm

[split hatch]

erm

[ancient dragon]

The Adult Eidolon can spawn normally, but it'll be passive.
It'll spawn instantly and in an aggressive state if you use the RoD at any point while in the Abyss, however.

[split hatch]

^that's what i meant, spawn agressive

[neon panther]

It only spawns normally post-polter

[split hatch]

oof

[maiden heath]

ok

the new boss should have a cap limit

[tight chasm]

there's not going to be a new boss

period

[plush gazelle]

Rip daedron, yharim and goozma

[maiden heath]

they got removed?

[split hatch]

Yharim would be an interesting boss

rip

[neon panther]

they did not get removed smh

[tight chasm]

only 4 more bosses will be added, Draedon, Yharim, Goozma, Some unnamed Superboss (and maaaaybe andromeda)

[crude quartz]

it’s a meme

poor andromeda

[neon panther]

(And maybe xeroc)

[split hatch]

Andromeda?

🤔

[crude quartz]

ew xeroc

[plush gazelle]

still waiting for Statis

[tight chasm]

Something i really hope gets added

but #calamity-mod-talk for boss talk

[split hatch]

You hear a faint whisper: Looooorrrrreeeee

[ancient dragon]

Thank you, Syg.

[maiden heath]

oof

[neon panther]

go to calamity talk smh

[maiden heath]

lol

ok

[ashen warren]

Boop. Done

@maiden heath Wrong channe

[maiden heath]

oof

[ashen warren]

don't send messages on suggestions unless it's a suggestion

[maiden heath]

nice

[neon panther]

..delete your messages

[ashen warren]

Ye, but still, thanks

[maiden heath]

its cool

[ashen warren]

It has taken me over 3-4 weeks to sprite these fuckers

[maiden heath]

dang

[ruby cobalt]

Nice sprites!

[ashen warren]

Lets just say it wasnt the most fun

[neon panther]

you should get alterra to code it

[ashen warren]

Thanks Dudes

and oonf i dont have contact with Altera

[maiden heath]

should polterghast get a new sprite

?

[ashen warren]

Its being worked on by peeps afair

I'll just wait for the star, then yall do as you please

[sinful violet]

There's one in the works

Also, check the pins

[wanton sun]

i'm wet

because i spilled my fucking water

gotta get some towels now

[ashen warren]

Noice job mate

[thorn canyon]

I h e a r

RAPID FIRE ROCKET LAUNCHER

And i like it

[ashen warren]

I'd like if the rockets could explode for demolition

Since rubber nortar rounds are buggy as fuck

[placid moth]

Btw I would suggest that voidstone be used in crafting of weapons and armor instead of furniture. It just seems too cool a name and sprite for chairs and stuff.

Something like a hardmode Victide Armor

[ashen warren]

If you look up a bit I did just that

Well not armor but used Voidstone for a recipe

[worthy fiber]

lumenyl is just boneless voidstone

I don't really think voidstone needs weapons/armor, it's fine by itself

[ashen warren]

That actually makes sense

[placid moth]

oh

😦

[dense girder]

@ashen warren 2 posts awaiting stars no hurt pls

[ashen warren]

one sec

[worthy fiber]

It's Brimstone Crag now btw

[dense girder]

fucking

[worthy fiber]

[austere orchid]

[dense girder]

fixed

[ashen warren]

there I guess

[dense girder]

thanks tobes

[ashen warren]

no problem

[austere orchid]

thank you

as well

[teal shoal]

Brimstone crag

[ashen warren]

Back to art server

[dense girder]

@austere orchid how about profaned beacon

DoG's canon lore goal is to "snuff out the Profaned flame" iirc

so a beacon alerting him to "providence" would summon him

[austere orchid]

provi's magic would've died out and be only in the Rune of Kos (at least strong enough to actually be "counted")

[ruby cobalt]

Want an explanation to why Cosmic Worm is a Cosmic Worm?

[dense girder]

it is a worm that is cosmic

[ruby cobalt]

It's an effigy of him, made from his servants.

[dense girder]

[ashen warren]

effigy?

[dense girder]

effigy is like a totem

[ruby cobalt]

Yes, an effigy.

[ashen warren]

Ah

[dense girder]

like a small keepsake of a being or person

imagine a small monky statue carved from wood that is hollow

that is an effigy

[ruby cobalt]

You're literally mocking him by showing parts of his dead servants.

[ashen warren]

Huh

[dense girder]

"Dead servants"

summons them in the fight

kidding no atack me pls

[ruby cobalt]

Well, dead

[ashen warren]

I mean he is willing to kill the Storm Weaver if necessary

[ruby cobalt]

Game mechanics, am I right.

[ashen warren]

So that sort of makes little st

[ruby cobalt]

They are still bound to him by contract, besides killing SW won't be necessary ever due to him being way too young to pose any real threat.

[dense girder]

sw is a young and cool dude

he plays with pogs and has a skateboard

[austere orchid]

That I understand.
But in my view it'd be more likely for his foes to be attracted, personally.

And it isn't the only one, either.

[ruby cobalt]

That's also a good point.

[dense girder]

even if his servants were die

[ancient dragon]

I... guess a contractual obligation would be there for DoG to step in where his servants failed.

[dense girder]

he wouldn't care as much as he would for a big ol' provi

[ancient dragon]

Though it just being a worm is still a bit... odd.

[austere orchid]

because it's another worm?

[dense girder]

it feels like it's only "Cosmic Worm" to fit with the Mechanical Worm

[ancient dragon]

That, yes.

[dense girder]

and the effigy part came after it was already done as an "explanation"

[ruby cobalt]

Keep in mind DoG is an edgy ass, so anything that insults his pride will send him into a blind rage fit

[dense girder]

providence

[ancient dragon]

Make the sprite look like shit so it makes more sense, then. /s

[ruby cobalt]

[dense girder]

just make the sprite some garbled picasso nonsense so people can work out what they think it is on their own

[ruby cobalt]

Cosmic Picasso.

[austere orchid]

I mean to be honest there is a tad too many.

-Suspicious Looking Eye
-Eye of Desolation
-Mechanical Eye
-Eye of Extinction
-Mechanical Worm
-Cosmic Worm

[dense girder]

only two of those have "worm"

what do the other 4 have to do with it

[worthy fiber]

eye

[ruby cobalt]

Same naming pattern.

[dense girder]

oh

hue me domb

[austere orchid]

I'm trying to mention the fact that they're all pretty similar, in how it's 'named'.

[worthy fiber]

then there's the skulls too

[austere orchid]

Or more simply, how Drh put it.

[dense girder]

okay how about an item that's named after a servant

like an SOS or distress call item

we can all agree signus is the hardest servant right

[ashen warren]

Well, Storm Boi actually killed me more than Signut

[dense girder]

storm weaver's easy you frick

just don't fly and dodge the lightning

[ashen warren]

I have no clue as to why

[dense girder]

signus is generally the hardest though

and he has a contract with DoG right

so what about Broken Contract

because if that contract's broken dog boy will be pissed

[ashen warren]

Well, they are contacted to help DoG, not entirely to succeed

He's not a lawyer what's with all this contract stuff

[dense girder]

oh fuck a lawyer

[austere orchid]

[ashen warren]

[dense girder]

run from ben sharpie !!!!!

[ashen warren]

Yep

But seriously he's a giant worm that likes eating shit, I don't think he's reading between the lines on contracts

[ruby cobalt]

All 3 of them are bound to gay worm from outer dimensions though.

[austere orchid]

Gay Worm

[ruby cobalt]

It's just that 2 of them don't even realize that

[ashen warren]

Signut should be able to, I dunno, ACTUALLY SHAPE SHIFT

His lore states that his true form is unknown

[ruby cobalt]

In reality he's a hentai actor

[dense girder]

His true form is

oh

oh no

oh god no drh

[ashen warren]

[ruby cobalt]

Look at all those tentacles though.

[dense girder]

fUCKING STOP

[ashen warren]

The fuck?

[ruby cobalt]

"I DON'T LIKE WHERE THIS IS GOING" ~ JonTron

[dense girder]

i wouldn't be surprised if signus worked for the IRS

idk why

[ashen warren]

:excusemewhatfuck?:

[ancient dragon]

Ehem.
So, anyone decided on anything specific yet?

[ashen warren]

Nope

[ruby cobalt]

Interdimensional Fireworks.

[dense girder]

super spiffy quick trivia: name as many lore chars as you can

[ashen warren]

Cryoven

Calamitas
Yharim
Crabulon
Leviathan
Amidas
Permafrost

Nope I won

You were too slow

Siren
Cloudy Waifu
Brimmy
Yharon Jungle Derg

[dense girder]

cryoven is not a real boss sonny

[ancient dragon]

Thinking of something along the lines of remnants.
Like, Remnant Conglomerate or somethin' like that to signify you've taken DoG's underlings down and he should probably come over for a quick chat.

[dense girder]

everybody always forgets Statis and Braelor

F

[ashen warren]

Xeroc

:hehegotem:

[ancient dragon]

Getting awfully off-topic in here, innit?

[dense girder]

no this is relevant to calamity

[ashen warren]

Or just use idiots description and call it like "effigy of the devourer" or something as edgy

Yeah

[dense girder]

thus it is relevant to this

Suspicious Looking Effigy

[ashen warren]

Odditer, I admire your logic

[ruby cobalt]

Sentenial Remains, if you wanna go with remnants.

[dense girder]

thanks nobody admires anything else of me

[ancient dragon]

Sentenial?

[dense girder]

fancy sat word

[ruby cobalt]

It isn't even a word, lmao

[dense girder]

Did you mean Ben 10-ial? 😎

[ancient dragon]

I figured. Nothing's so archaic that Google can't tell me.

[dense girder]

how about

Cosmic Nokia

just text that mf "yo pussy come here btch imma fk u up"

[ruby cobalt]

That's literally a meme, no.

[ancient dragon]

Oddi, please try to tone the jokes down.

[dense girder]

sorry minimod

[ashen warren]

Memeing in #suggestions-discussion

[dense girder]

anyways

[ashen warren]

Unbelievable

[ancient dragon]

It's not an order, it's a request so you don't get warned.

[ruby cobalt]

Jokes on you, he already is.

[ancient dragon]

...Muted, in that case.

[dense girder]

exactly anyways though

should cosmic even be used?

it sounds kinda

[ruby cobalt]

Why are we even trying to change it?

[dense girder]

cause it don't fit

[ashen warren]

It kinda do

[ancient dragon]

Because 'Cosmic Worm' is dumb.

[ashen warren]

Cosnic worm

[ruby cobalt]

Well, it is, but it fits with the vanilla "effigy" theme.

[dense girder]

are you serious

the mechanical worm is not an effigy

[ruby cobalt]

Because literally all of the vanilla summons are like that.

[dense girder]

it's a little wind-up mech worm thing not an effigy

[ashen warren]

It's sorta an effigy

[ruby cobalt]

But Destroyer is the same.

It's a wind-up mech worm that dies to walking.

[ashen warren]

Don't you make it with stuff from killing worms

[dense girder]

no

rotten chunks, lead, souls of night

none of which from worms

[ashen warren]

Rotten Chuck's come from what

I forget

[ruby cobalt]

Eaters of Whatever.

[dense girder]

Rotten Chuck's

[ashen warren]

Shut

[ruby cobalt]

Souls? Ass? Worms?

[ancient dragon]

Ah well, I guess this is getting a bit too opinionated.
I'mma bounce now.

[dense girder]

wait what are they even called

Eaters of Souls right

maybe

[ashen warren]

Yes

[dense girder]

anyways

[ashen warren]

They kinda look like worms

The EoS?

No

[dense girder]

it's only named Cosmic Worm to fit with the Mechanical Worm

[ruby cobalt]

I'mma bounce too, since I can't contribute due to me being satisfied with current name, feel free to come up with something else.

[dense girder]

thus the effigy part is invalid

[ashen warren]

Yeah I'm kinda done

[dense girder]

it's just in the name

oh okay me too then

gonna finish my stepmania charts

[ashen warren]

It’s a dum thing then

[wooden leaf]

Can i join?

[ashen warren]

It’s dead

[wooden leaf]

Guess im late

[ruby cobalt]

Sure, you can, but it's probably dead.

[dense girder]

[opal barn]

@ashen warren we have dumb

[potent vortex]

[ashen warren]

@halcyon acorn don't talk in suggestions

[potent vortex]

@halcyon acorn delete that please

[bitter topaz]

ok now that's kinda epic

[ashen warren]

smh minimod

[ruby cobalt]

@hybrid cipher we have big dumb remove pls

[hybrid cipher]

@halcyon acorn warned

[teal shoal]

especially agree with part about provi

[ashen warren]

Uh, that suggestion, as much as it is cool, is kinda over kill considering it’s a Vanilla attack

[bitter topaz]

with ml it isn't overkill. at all.

he's complete AIDS and nothing else

vanilla ml gets by with it by not being obscenely tanky, and the eyes themselves not teleporting with him

[ashen warren]

Yeah,

But it’s part of Vanilla code and I know this mod doesn’t like changing boss ai to that degree

[bitter topaz]

but with calamity there's 12 of them total, with 3 being unkillable and they all tp with him

you can disable an attack pretty easily

[ashen warren]

Hell the Revengance and Death changes are just extra Vanilla Attacks for the Vanilla Bosses

Maybe reduce the amount of eyes are in the fight?

[bitter topaz]

they did that already, doesn't exactly help

[teal shoal]

2small amount of eyes

make it 24 every wave

and you cant skip waves

[bitter topaz]

ml is defacto AIDS due to the eyes teleporting

[gusty geode]

This mod isn't gonna remove a vanilla attack from a vanilla boss

[ruby cobalt]

Who knows, who knows.

All I know is that ML is fucking AIDS.

[bitter topaz]

if it's in the name of balance i doubt fab would have issue with doing it

there's a point where fun is needed over difficulty unless it's something like a nohit

and even then difficulty can be fun.

ml is just AIDS though

[ruby cobalt]

As of now ML is just "run away, oh you went too far, HERE'S 3 EYES DOING FORTNITE DANCE INTO YOUR FACE"

[ashen warren]

4 billion homing projectiles doesn't really help either

[heady comet]

lol nice

[ashen warren]

Why is that starred

[outer cedar]

@neon panther I know this is an old suggestion (cryogen taking extra damage from fyaa weapons for anyone who is no idea what I am talking about), but hear me out.
Personally I think this is a really cool idea (pun intended ). Perhaps to balance this, out cryogen's health, defence and DR could be buffed? Then again, you could also just use flasks, so maybe it could be specific weapons that are related to fire that deal extra damage.

[little jolt]

i think it would be better if ml's eyes didn't have their terrigay laser shit

[outer cedar]

Yeah, that would be nice

[neon panther]

who summoned me

oh

[little jolt]

ml himself's laser is easier than getting hecked by eyes 3fold

[neon panther]

the thing is, flasks are melee specific

[outer cedar]

I SUMMON THOU DEMON

Yeah, but it could be just added onto any melee beam weapon.

And then be used to cheese cryogen

[sleek wigeon]

@austere orchid Cosmic worm is a reference to mechanical worm

which awakens destroyer

[little jolt]

it would be cool if you made something out of unholy essence and the sentinels' dead shit that would taunt the DoG into attacking you or smth

[delicate raft]

Why would something in Terraria make sense?

[little jolt]

i agree that's a dumb ref

[austere orchid]

I understand that, ijones, but that's the thing.
I personally think that would be more logical and fitting.

[neon panther]

fact: having a colored role gets you approximately 75% more stars

[ancient dragon]

Fact: That isn't.

[little jolt]

[ruby cobalt]

I'm a living proof of it being true though
offtopic smh

[night cradle]

Huh someone died from Moon Lord Eye laser attack :infinitylul:
But yeah, I see your point tbh

[ruby cobalt]

No, but the eyes are seriously gay.

Especially when 4 of them warp to your location and decide to laser you from 2 different directions.

[bitter topaz]

^

the teleporting bit is what i despise

the eyes in vanilla would be complete AIDS if you weren't able to get rid of them

[ruby cobalt]

Eyes in vanilla are also complete AIDS because you can't get rid of them.

Although there's only 3 of them.

[bitter topaz]

they don't tp with ml in vanilla afaik

[ruby cobalt]

Well ye, you can run.

They're still going to follow you at a smaller speed, but you don't have that much mobility in vanilla.

[night cradle]

Yeah, eyes are really annoying

Especially when 9 of them are firing fucking lasers each at different direction

[spice pier]

I want like a diverse combat weapon

One that isn't just hold left click to swing

Maybe it could be a rapier that left click swings it rapidly like arkhalis but faster and can deflect projectiles while it's right click is a dash that gives you immunity so you can go through a boss and remain unscathed

[radiant meadow]

most of the legendaries have a right click attack too

[spice pier]

But I mean one that takes skill and is fun to use and master

Weapon out has fists with each being unique and fun to use

Maybe something like that

[inner rover]

i had no issue with moonlords 9 eyes...

[bitter topaz]

i'm assuming you have fought the version of ml with the 3 immune eyes again?

they make him complete AIDS due to the eyes teleporting with him

[wanton sun]

you can just run right

Get out of range

While also dealing steady damage to the core

[little jolt]

they teleport with him

[wanton sun]

Yeah and keep running and dashing

You'll get back out of range

[little jolt]

yeah but the thing is that they (often for me) triple laser you on tp

it's a cheap and gay shot

[wanton sun]

you'll get back out of range

[little jolt]

on tp

[wanton sun]

Then rod through them

[little jolt]

the average calamity player won't have the RoDflexes to RoD past the multiple mini lasers right after a teleport

[wanton sun]

Then dash he other direction

[little jolt]

the average calamity player u gay

like, you're gonna be cheap shot no matter what

[wanton sun]

Look if you don't move out of the way of a death Lazer in at least a second you're just bad

With that scenario you're putting up

[little jolt]

no that just means they're not death players who are good at the game

aka like 90% of anyone who plays calamity

[wanton sun]

I haven't played death mode past BoC yet

[little jolt]

Sad!

[wanton sun]

what

[thorn canyon]

HE SAID "SAD"

[split hatch]

(Logar's suggestion) Asgard's Valor is a decent shield that provides more benefits, and also provides a similar dash.
I dunno what to say about Scal shield.

[unique vector]

@ruby cobalt again

even without asphalt platforms u can prob outrun the eyes

i had asphalt and i was able to easily get ML offscreen in dm so without asphalt it wouldnt be much of a hassle

if the eye death gay laser also happen in normal and rev id say keep it to deathmode only if ur gonna be whiny about it

[stiff arrow]

Someone just posted an idea that I had and posted >_>

But, it could've been said already before I got here

[strong monolith]

woah they added ticks back

[lost agate]

That one shield of cthulhu suggestion...
I wouldnt use those, since the main reason i use the shield is because of the dash, but inmediately replace it with asgard valor, because the "knockback" after ramming an enemy is the most annoying thing, i could like it if the other shields had no knockback like the asgard valor

Even tho, i would probably still use asgard valor because of the other advantages it gives

Maybe giving more advantages could make me use those

Also, 1600 dmg post scal with a shield attack seems a little low

Also, no one would ever want to faceplant into a boss

So, i dont actually like it that much, but it was a good suggestion

[cyan lagoon]

Isnt cosmic freeze a buff though

Wouldn't it be godslayer inferno or warped

[lost agate]

Terraria logic bud

[twin moon]

This is a game where having basically pee on metalic enemies makes a difference... Sorry for saying it but, it's true

[ashen warren]

I know i'm late but i always thought of the cosmic worm as making a wormhole (with the head eating the tail) so it always made sense to me

Especially since it's not consumable

[lost agate]

That one sounds fun

And colorful

Has anybody suggested improvements to the apotheosis?

Because it needs some

[cyan lagoon]

It was buffed

Though indirectly because of auric tesla mage set

Killed SC 10 times over, so now she resists most damage from it

[lost agate]

Mmm... But given the fact that it needs a legendary drop, it can be a little underwhelming

Wait, i just realized most legendaries are like that....

[proven tide]

fixed

[ruby cobalt]

The last time Apoth got any improvements it had 526m DPS on SCal and skipped 3 phases completely, so I'd rather not.

[ruby cobalt]

So here's the thing with it.

It's extremely general, and has no real reason to its existence.

[proven tide]

Actually, it does have a reason. The Counter Scarf feels underpowered by that stage and the Shield of Cthulhu is fundamentally inferior to it, so there's no real viable burst mobility options at that point in the game.

[obtuse dust]

I'd like a dashing accessory early hardmode that provides extra bonuses. Not sure what kind of theme it would entail, possibly souls of sight and shield of Cthulhu. It'd just be handy to get extra bonuses with a double dash before the asgard's valor (I copy pasted this from the regular discussion cuz I'm not professional enough)

[wanton sun]

counter scarf is great though

[proven tide]

In mechanic, yes, but in viability post-Mech, no.

[obtuse dust]

people use counter scarf lategame? I friggin love the elysian aegis

[ruby cobalt]

Counter Scarf can be kept until you get Valor pretty much.

[wanton sun]

i never said i used it late game

i just said it was great

[ruby cobalt]

On-demand Shadow Dodge through dashes is hard to underestimate.

[wanton sun]

post mech all you have is plantera between you and ninja gear

so there really still isnt a gap

[obtuse dust]

I never paid attention to the counter scarf dashes, it was just something that helped me out on occasion

[wanton sun]

not to mention aegis like idiot said

[proven tide]

hang on, I forgot ninja gear existed

end me now then

[ruby cobalt]

But you get Ninja Gear right after you get Valor.

So uh, there's a problem. It doesn't exist.

[wanton sun]

yeah you need dungeon

which is post plant

[proven tide]

wait what I thought the Valor was later 🤔

I'm really not on the ball today

[ruby cobalt]

Unless you really want RNG dodges.

And on top of that Valor is pre-Plant at that.

[wanton sun]

then again, counterscarf is iffy

sometimes it triggers with nothing

[ruby cobalt]

No longer.

[wanton sun]

oh

i really should update to the mediafire release huh

[proven tide]

It was paaaatched

[obtuse dust]

Asgard's valor was such a bitch to grind for tho, I just did it post moon lord

[ruby cobalt]

So yes, Counter Scarf is now godly.

[wanton sun]

grind?

what grind?

[obtuse dust]

ankh sheild

and the others

[wanton sun]

craft literally every material

[ruby cobalt]

Killing 3 bosses and getting ankh is grind, yes.

[obtuse dust]

was that sarcasm

[ruby cobalt]

Sarcasm in the first part, not sarcasm in the second one.

Ankh fucking sucks, even with the crafting recipes.

[obtuse dust]

yeah, It would be sooooo much handier to have it be crafted with obsidian shield and cthulu shield

[wanton sun]

also is toggling visibility to toggle dash still a thing?

its dumb

[ruby cobalt]

Ye, it still is.

And it's the only way aside from hotkeys to do that.

[obtuse dust]

why is it a problem?

[wanton sun]

cant there just be 2 variants

[obtuse dust]

no

[wanton sun]

and in case they want to toggle it they "craft" it into the other version?

[obtuse dust]

double ankh is not good

[wanton sun]

what

im talking about aegis

[obtuse dust]

oh sorry I thought you meant having to craft two seperate aegis'

[ruby cobalt]

Oh, please, such a mechanic would be too hard for people.

[wanton sun]

there should be the dash aegis, but its a material for a dashless aegis, and you can craft it anywhere
the dashless aegis is also a material for the dash aegis

[ruby cobalt]

Not to mention you get free reforges which isn't a problem tbh.

[obtuse dust]

maybe just in death mode

you have to craft 2

[wanton sun]

it solves the dumb step of having to toggle visibility for effect

[obtuse dust]

why is that so dumb

why not just turn it off

[wanton sun]

because vanity

[ruby cobalt]

Because if you like to micromanage your movement random dashes are annoying as hell.

That's why the visibility toggle exists.

[wanton sun]

i want to be able to dash but its stupid that the sprite takes up like half of the entire player

[obtuse dust]

yeah, that can't really be fixed

[obtuse dust]

but it's still a clever way to appeal to the non dashers

[wanton sun]

its huge

[ruby cobalt]

We went offtopic btw.

[obtuse dust]

o h n o

[ruby cobalt]

As I was saying, there is no reason for another dash accessory.

Counter Scarf is strong enough in Rev+, SoC exists if you somehow need a dash in expert and normal isn't even a mode.

You shouldn't even be concerned with normal, like, at all.

[obtuse dust]

So anybody in normal shouldn't get to use special features? I get that to a certain extent, but the double dash is a handy tool that has so few accessories to it's name. I just think it should be something you're allowed to upgrade as you go

[ruby cobalt]

The thing is, anybody in normal doesn't need them since everything is easy enough already.

There's a reason why SoC and Counter Scarf exist in Expert and Revengeance and are available at their point, they compensate for upped difficulty.

[obtuse dust]

nobody needs the dev stuff, nobody needs the heart of the elements, regardless of difficulty, it should be okay to get accessories that make things easier

[ruby cobalt]

But there are no dev accessories?

[obtuse dust]

dev stuff*

[ruby cobalt]

Aside from lul, which is practically unusable?

[obtuse dust]

I'm sure you're really good at the game, but normal mode isn't a friggin playground to everyone

[ruby cobalt]

Yes, it isn't, for starters it serves as a way to learn the game.

[glass shuttle]

If you dont give them difficulty they will never learn

[ruby cobalt]

Where everything is nerfed so hard that you'd have a hard time failing.

And giving them more tools that make it easier does what?

Removes difficulty?

[glass shuttle]

Remove Normal mode difficulty

[obtuse dust]

Nothing is nerfed in normal, everything is buffed in expert. It's not easy mode, it's not Tutorial, it's normal, the "normal terraria experience"

[ruby cobalt]

Doesn't do anything to the fact that some mechanics are available earlier as a compensation for upped difficulty.

[obtuse dust]

maybe in the context of the mod it was created to be played in expert, but I don't stand by that decision

[ruby cobalt]

Alright, sure, you've convinced me, let's also give it to normal mode.

SoC flies straight out of the recipe then if you've ever thought of including it.

Then thinking for how long its going to be viable?

And at what point its going to be available?

[obtuse dust]

maybe shortly after WoF, serving as the normal player's first dash

[ruby cobalt]

So it will be viable straight until post-Clone.

Half of HM then.

[obtuse dust]

sounds good to me

Then you just use the asgard's valor for the other half

and upgrade from there

[ruby cobalt]

Yup.

Stats?

[obtuse dust]

maybe a bit more def, say 4 or 5, with a little bit of attack or health bonus

intended to be like an upgrade to the SoC, but not counter scarf

[wanton sun]

But again, an upgrade to an expert item

Meant to be obtained in normal

[ruby cobalt]

If you want it to be an upgrade to SoC the entire thought of giving it to normal mode players flies the fuck out of the window into closest trashcan.

[obtuse dust]

it's not exactly normal only, and keep in mind I'm not a genius here

I'm just thinking out loud

[ruby cobalt]

Actually, if you're that keen on just getting a dash, I have an idea for you.

Craftable Tabi.
20 Black Threads + 15 Souls of Night + 15 Silk.

[wanton sun]

Black threads?

Oh

that

[ruby cobalt]

Yes, that garbage Clothier sells.

Easy to get, provides no real benefits other than early HM dash, gets outclassed by SoC in expert.

[obtuse dust]

Y'now I'm starting to lose track of this conversation, I think the big deal was that I just wanted something different from counter scarf as an option

Normal or expert, idk

[ruby cobalt]

Yes, and you never considered the fact that other difficulties exist.

Which is what I meant by saying that your suggestion was raw and unpolished.

No offense, but it needs work.

[wanton sun]

when my suggestion gets approved after thinking about it for 1 second

[obtuse dust]

I just love dashing and want more accessories that do it

It's not a matter of balancing or counter scarf is better, I just wanted another shieldy boi

[glass shuttle]

Does master ninja gear have an upgrade?

[obtuse dust]

yeet

[ruby cobalt]

Statis' Ninja Belt and Belt of Curses.

[obtuse dust]

I love those accessories too!

So much fun!

[ashen warren]

if something pisses me off enough I might change it

Idiots moon Lord idea might have a good shot

[ruby cobalt]

So, is replacing it in cache not a viable option?

[split hatch]

You don't need to have it as "adding on to the idea above," if it is it's own suggestion (Uesiel)

[ashen warren]

Just tag him lol

[ashen warren]

Lots of theme suggestions today

[cyan lagoon]

oh silly rover

[split hatch]

So many add-ons

[dense girder]

yay my rename suggestion got 81 stars

somebody else tried it before a while ago and it got like 6

[split hatch]

you guys are killin' me with the "adding on to the suggestions"

[night cradle]

lmfao

[quasi fable]

AHAHAHA

I read RotJD as return of the jedi

[dense girder]

fuck yeah

i want to see this DoG sprite again

really though an option to go back to old crabulon, etc would be pretty 👌

[austere orchid]

how would all these "picking" certain things even work

[dense girder]

just a toggle i guess

[austere orchid]

i mean it could like the astral arcanium thing

but god there is alot

[dense girder]

press button and it happen

[quasi fable]

it would inflate the file size needlessly

[bitter topaz]

^

that, and old sprites are normally awful

e.g. OG astrageldon slime

[tired haven]

I like how it is basically 5 suggestions chain

[hearty yew]

to be fair

I do like customizable music

[halcyon acorn]

...

[chrome holly]

I'm gonna do a suggestion for trophy "tiers" if you beat the bosses on Rev+

[ruby cobalt]

Why?

[chrome holly]

Why not

Bragging right

[ruby cobalt]

Chad's Furniture statues.

[tired haven]

Moar vanity stuff

[ruby cobalt]

More bragging rights.

[chrome holly]

And I wanted to know if it's legit to make a suggestion that includes technically death-exclusive items

[tired haven]

Also peeps would just cheat the trophies in if they need them for builds

And i doubt death-exclusive would be considered. Like, both items it has are dev ones and purely pets

[ruby cobalt]

Death-exclusive? Ban.

Rev+ exclusive? Nope, go ahead.

[chrome holly]

Well, given the suggestion is "Rev: bronze, Death:Silver, Defiled:Gold, Arm: Plat", there are some items that technically are banned, but they aren't the only things. So is it good?

[ruby cobalt]

Switch it around to avoid death and you're pretty much good.

[chrome holly]

What do you mean?

[ruby cobalt]

Although it won't get in, due to the sheer amount of trophies taking up space.

Remove Platinum, move everything down one tier.

Rev - Bronze.

Rev + Armageddon = Gold.

Rev + Defiled + Armageddon = Plat.

Actually, swap those around.

There, better.

[chrome holly]

Going from R+A to R+D+A seems a bit weird, since the difficulty jump is to put armageddon in the first place

[ruby cobalt]

Defiled cuts your damage in half in some cases, so its justifiable.

And nohitting is way harder for most people.

[chrome holly]

Well, if nohitting is harder

Then shouldn't it be R=> RD => RDA?

[ruby cobalt]

...

Now nohit everything with 2x less damage.

Meaning that all fights take twice as long, and you need to not get shit on.

Possible solution - swap RD to Silver, RA to Gold, RDA to Plat.

[chrome holly]

That would work

I also sought of a 5th tier for iron soul, that would be cosmilite

[ruby cobalt]

Doesn't look like a shitton of checks to me, most work would be put on spriters.

[chrome holly]

Well, it wouldn't be very hard, you put a "metal" glow on every trophies and you palette swap

The only exception would be said 5th tier, if it exists

Anyways, let's do this.

[dense girder]

only gonna upvote for "you glorified noodle"

also gonna upvote for good suggestion

But I don't think beating a boss on Rev should warrant a bronze trophy

If you just want a good ol' trophy all you get is ugly broonz

[ruby cobalt]

If you just want a trophy you get ugly wood.

[chrome holly]

Well, originally I wanted to make Death silver, but it was against the rules

[dense girder]

I need a cryptographer to decode what you just said DRH

really though what mean

[ruby cobalt]

I mean, all trophies are wooden by default.

[dense girder]

fuck i'm dumb

i assumed the thing would stay wooden and the actual trophy part would be pure bronze

[ruby cobalt]

[chrome holly]

Actually, that's what I'm thinking too

[night cradle]

I'm making a Death Playthrought

[dense girder]

tower what the fuck

don't make the actual trophy part bronze

that's disgusting

make the plate it's on bronze or etc

[chrome holly]

Well

I inspired myself of this: https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/tobbvalds-tinkering-difficulty-options.854/

[dense girder]

[IMG]

[chrome holly]

fail

And fixed

hush

[dense girder]

oh

okay that looks kind of good

a bit

[chrome holly]

At the end, there are some example of "Trophy part is golden" trophies, and it looks cool

[dense girder]

just a little

[chrome holly]

As long as it's not both wood and trophy part that are gold it would look good I think

Is there any spriter here? I'm kind of a terrible spriter and I'd like to know which one of the two looks better

[dense girder]

sounds good potato

[bitter topaz]

i'd suggest it as a change to the super dummy

since it serves as a more accurate DPS test anyway

[spice pier]

OHhh we should have more traps since calamity enemies are really strong and most traps aren't as effective anymore

[dense girder]

Super Dummy is post-DoG though jesus christ

By then the only bosses to test effectiveness on are Yharon and SCal

[chrome holly]

Yeah, it should be useable earlier

[dense girder]

I also suggest new trap

Because inspiration

[ruby cobalt]

Dummy that can have changeable DR and def
Luiafk much?

[ancient dragon]

Luiafk only has defense value changes, for obvious reasons.

[ruby cobalt]

Obviously.

[ancient dragon]

I imagine having the ability to change the Dummy's DR on the fly would be helpful for testing purposes, though.

[ruby cobalt]

DR is out of the question, but you can do the calculations yourself and approximate the amount of def you'll need to test.

Which is ass, yes.

[ancient dragon]

Was about to say.

[ruby cobalt]

I'll give it an updoot anyways.

[tired haven]

I already did so

UI for that dummy might be a trouble tho

[vague olive]

Maybe put those traps in a doc?

[ruby cobalt]

UI?

Just give it commands that are written in the description.

Whoever needs to use it will read it, people who don't - well, they don't need to.

[hollow shell]

@stray quail Trust me, I think Yharon gets the "power recognition" he deserves
Have you played his fight recently?

[echo night]

nah he should be dragon god in the base form in my opinion he does not have the power he should dragons are always said as magestic and extremely powerfull creatures. (i said before fightning for the first time xDD)

[stray quail]

@hollow shell If you mean in the recent update from last Friday, then no.

[hollow shell]

Nah just in general

like the last month or two

[bitter topaz]

yharon still gets the battle and recognition he deserves

phase 2 hasn't been the pushover it was for a while now iirc

[alpine garnet]

it's not that yharon's easy, it's that silva's strong af

[stray quail]

@alpine garnet Hence my idea of making Phase 3 similar to the future version of Yharon. Have Yharon pull off a last desperate attempt to kill you.

just an idea anyway. thought it would be cool

[alpine garnet]

eh, the fight isn't easy as-is imo

[heady comet]

Hes already desperate though. When he reaches 5% in his last phase is when he loses all of his attacks and resorts to ramming you

[stray quail]

@heady comet Personally imo, that seems more like him just trying to take you down with him since he knows he's going to die anyway. Which I now realize is exactly what you said, only said differently. Regardless of that and my idea though, Yharon is a whole lot of fun to fight, I just never fought the future bosses that's all and I didn't want the idea to go to waste.

[wanton sun]

I've never seen the ramming thing but maybe that's because I don't pay attention to that

[cyan lagoon]

In my opinion dragons aren't being treated seriously in games nowadays.

kind of an inappropriate statement

[ashen warren]

#dragonslivesmatter

[ashen warren]

Firstly ew traps
Secondly does this really need to be in calamity?
The suggestion is neat enough but really it should be in a separate mod

Yharon is fine how he is tbh

[hollow shell]

you're under arrest for stealing, smh

[devout seal]

@echo night and, Dragon God yharon was yharon, but much older.
The one we fight is a damn child.

[quiet abyss]

^ this pretty much

[devout seal]

What dragon god yharon was going to be is, yharon, but pretty much cloaked entirely in flame, he's got some properties of a phoenix.

[ashen warren]

He's also whiter

[devout seal]

That's because the actual sprite was never made before the future bosses were axed.

Hell, DoU would've gotten an original sprite if i got the okay from devs.

I still have his head though.

We also have concept art of DGY.

[lost agate]

The most underwhelming thing of the future bosses was indeed the lack of new sprites

[devout seal]

And the fact they were porrly executed, and a bad idea to begin with.

[slow nova]

Sprites arent the priority though, first balance that shit and see if it works in general and then spend time making art for it

no point making art if they dont work after all

[lost agate]

Well, youre right

But still, i expected at least some new visuals

[devout seal]

Y'all wanna see what DGY would've looked like?

[lost agate]

Why not

[slow nova]

also its getting off topic isnt it

[lost agate]

#calamity-mod-talk then

[devout seal]

Yep.

[vital grotto]

widening the abyss from 10% to 50%?

if that works how i think it does, isn't that going to screw up worldgen even more than it already is?

[lost agate]

I would still get out of it for the eidolon wyrms tho 😂

[heady comet]

Why was that starred when its already going to be planned

[quiet abyss]

Exodium clusters do have purpose: soul artifacts. Soul artifacts are now accessories

Though I do agree that the planetoids need more purpose

[quasi fable]

Any chance the future bosses will come back

https://orig00.deviantart.net/eb78/f/2018/247/3/5/calamity_scrapped_content__future_bosses_by_00_inanis-dcm0ll5.png

Because i like these

[thorn canyon]

those are hot

where ancient doomboi

[obtuse dust]

yeah I liked the future bosses, it added something to do after yharon besides scal

and I like that

I always think superbosses should be optional

[quasi fable]

They would be superbosses essentially

[obtuse dust]

future bosses are on a different level than scal

SCal is designed to be an asshole

[quasi fable]

The idea still stands though

Alao it makes even more sense

Of course theyre optional if you need to invite them to the "timeline" or whatever

[obtuse dust]

honestly I'm up for anything to replace clamtits

[quasi fable]

Shes not gonna be a superboss forever

[obtuse dust]

THANK CHRIST

maybe she doesn't even need to be in the game

It's a superboss for all intended purposes, take that away and you got nothing

calamitas already exists in game so there's no reason to use her presence for lore purposes

and the fight would be destroyed if the massive amount of difficulty was removed

[opal barn]

When she will be moved back to being a normal boss, the hitcap will be removed but her spells will do much more damage

[quiet abyss]

Future bosses have extremely slim chances of coming back, if there’s even any chances at all

[obtuse dust]

frick

they were really cool

[ashen warren]

No boss suggestions

[quasi fable]

@quiet abyss why

The concept art is pretty

[crude quartz]

future bosses mere inclusion in the previous update sparked a lot of conflict/arguments between the devs

[ashen warren]

also lots of people think that they're not interesting since theyre just buffed versions of previous bosses

[quiet abyss]

^ This and the post above it explains it all

[obtuse dust]

buffed versions of previous bosses? Mate that applies to alot of bosses in calamity. I think they have some changed movesets, though I'm kind of tooma here. I personally think they're just a fun little additon

[quiet abyss]

"Mate that applies to alot of bosses in calamity"
I'm going to be blunt: That is a rather weak argument.
Calamity bosses AIs may be based off of vanilla bosses AIs, but everything else is completely different.
Take Queen Bee and Plaguebringer Goliath for example.
-Queen Bee's AI consist of firing stingers all the time, occasionally charging at players or spawning bees.
-PBG's AI also consist of firing stingers all the time, occasionally charging at players or spawning bees.
Are they similar? Yes. But this is where it gets different:
-PBG can charge diagonally, where QB can't. So you're dealing with PBG's charges in a different way from QB's.
-PBG's horizontal charges launches missiles. So even if you had avoided her charges you'll also have to watch out for her missiles, while QB don't fire anything when she charges. So again, the strat you'll be using for QB will be different from the strat you use from PBG.
-Both can summon minions, yes. However, QB can only summon bees.
PBG, on the other hand, in addition to summoning bees can also summon plague mines that serve as hazards, and homing plague missiles that you have to destroy. So again, you'll be using a different strat to deal with PBG.
...I had prolly used bad examples here, since QB and PBG are quite similar. But my point is: Calamity bosses AIs may be based off of vanilla bosses AIs, but they differ from the bosses they're based off enough that Calamity bosses can be considered unique and somewhat original.
Future bosses are not like that.
Future bosses, apart from some small AI and attacks changes, as well as buffed stats, are basically the same bosses and don't differ much from their original selves at all. So, the complains about their "unoriginality", even if that's a bit of a harsh way to put it, are justifiable.

[obtuse dust]

wow

that was a long response

welp I did say I was talking out of my ass

as always

but thanks I guess

[quiet abyss]

You're welcome for the long rant explanation

[obtuse dust]

Ok I'm gonna lay it out flat: you guys are kind of assholes

but I can get by that

[quiet abyss]

Oh? Didn't know that long detailed but blunt response make you an asshole. Guess I'm definitely one then

[ancient dragon]

Being blunt is not being rude, believe it or not.

[obtuse dust]

Alexis can prove this point

[ancient dragon]

If you wish to keep this conversation going, do so in #general-talk so we don't get yelled at.

[quasi fable]

Imo there was nothing wrong with thw future bosses

[quiet abyss]

Some people think so too, ye.
But others, like me, can see the flaws in their design choices

Anyways...nothing can be done about it now. Future bosses are gone and there's nothing we can do. If you really like them, you can do nothing but hope they'll come back

[quasi fable]

😢

[quiet abyss]

Cheer up Twoots. There's still the planned bosses like Draedon, Yharim etc. left in store for us

[quasi fable]

Not as pretty

[quiet abyss]

[polar grove]

the world is already stretched to its limit with just a simple expansion upwards

also red's spaghetti code basically prohibits anything of that caliber of worldgen in the underworld

so unfortunately i dont see it being possible

the draedons forge as an area idea sounds actually quite interesting

[glass shuttle]

Someone need to make an optional mod where it brings back the future bosses

[bitter topaz]

@elder kiln keep it in one message

[elder kiln]

Ok sry

Fixed

[dense girder]

Specter: Gunslinger--
Everyone: throium1!!

[heady rain]

i dont really know thorium potions

n stuff

[opal barn]

gun speed as in bullet speed or firing speed?

[heady rain]

firing speed

[ruby cobalt]

wh.

[opal barn]

That's OP as hell

[ruby cobalt]

So you want to give a 25% damage boost with 10% attack speed for that mere price?

Good balancing by the way, not broken in any slightest, mhm.

[heady rain]

tried to make it like the archery potion, but for guns

[opal barn]

If you want to make it an archery pot for guns give it bullet speed

[dense girder]

call it a Gatling Potion

[opal barn]

instead of firing speed

and give it maybe 20% more damage instead of 25% tbh

[dense girder]

deathweed is already annoying to get cause it only blooms once in a blood moon

ba dum tss

why not moonglow?

or waterleaf or daybloom

actually daybloom is severely underused, only in 2 potions

you could give it an extra use with that

[opal barn]

Daybloom is too easy to get for a pot like that tbh

[dense girder]

1 luminite 🐚

[cyan lagoon]

just give it only 15% damage and 5% bullet speed

[heady rain]

changed it up a bit

[cyan lagoon]

bullets are already fast enough

[dense girder]

high velocity bullet 🐚

[ruby cobalt]

HV bullet + Eldritch Artifact

Your guns are now hitscan weapons.

[devout seal]

Can we pin a 'No Yharim/Draedon suggestions?' thing?

[cyan lagoon]

no

they are stupid and devs are pretty much planning in advanced for their things, yes

but they can't be forced unless danny makes it a rule

[shadow prism]

Eldritch Medallion
5 Ancient Medallions, 20 Lizhahrd Bricks, 10 Solar Fragments, 1 Core of Calamity, 1 Bloodstone Core at an Ancient Manipulator
Infinite-use summon for Ravager

Astral Core
5 Astral Chunks, 30 Astral Jelly, 50 Stardust, 10 Luminite Bars at an Ancient Manipulator
Infinite-use summon for Astrageldon Slime

[night cradle]

that's the wrong channel