he is saying that the weapon is slow
#suggestions-discussion
bitter drift
faint needle
done
hollow shell
That doesn't make much sense to me
because Usetime is a clear, set value in the source
it shouldn't vary at all
I'm wondering if you're just getting that impression because of its lack of autofire
(autofire ain't a requisite, by the way
the whole point of the gun is to debuff the enemy once so you can use other weapons, and it's also Pre-Hardmode)
neon panther
perish when
ashen warren
It was the GSS rework and it had 34 before I stared my own thing
neon panther
yeah no your fine ive done that once before too
delicate raft
Wut
quiet abyss
@teal shoal "Make rage not cancelled by damage but adrenaline does"
RIP true melee users
delicate raft
Wait what's goin on
quiet abyss
Wait actually no
teal shoal
actually it could help true melee users because they could lifesteal back with rage which they get for taking damage
quiet abyss
Rage not getting cancelled
And true melee users getting rage a lot
That'll help actually, I'm dum 
supple moon
what about mine?
quiet abyss
I'm kinda iffy on it though.
Imagine getting adrenaline, activating it and then getting hit immediately after
Though on the other hand
teal shoal
kinda how i feel when i use rage
quiet abyss
Making adrenaline like that fits in with the "You can dodge for a bit so here have a damage boost" thing
Hmm
tired haven
I kinda felt like this is reverse balance (adrenaline reset before, not during; rage not before; reset during), but it makes less sense than just Bad/Good skill psychology tbh
supple moon
- rage is lik ,, YOU CANT DODGE NERD,HERE GET SOME PITTY DAMAGE"
quiet abyss
The yharim scream thing....I'm indifferent about it.
On one hand, it's not that necessary.
On the other hand, it would be kinda cool
tired haven
And now it is like "OH NOES YOU STILL CAN'T DODGE SO I TAKE THAT PITY DMG FROM YOU as well"
supple moon
and it would be maybe easy to impliment
bitter drift
or 3 hours this is a random chance
sleek wigeon
Not in the slightest man
A couple of fights against the boss and youve gotten, at worst.
100% super unnessacary
ashen warren
For calamity, it makes sense
sleek wigeon
Not really
ashen warren
Cause bosses get ridiculous
sleek wigeon
Being good at dodging long enough to get them to record
thats a calamity attitude if ive ever seen one
ashen warren
smh
opal barn
On average it takes like 2 minutes to get the song
ashen warren
Not everyone is nohitter joe
elder mist
pratically all the bosses at 100% hp are super easy to dodge
ashen warren
Wait untile Yharon the Dragon god and Regular Yharon get theirs
elder mist
including DoG, yharon and scal
ashen warren
Then it will be madness
bitter drift
are some of these bosses are
PBG prov/ prophand guardians /DoG/SW/CV/signes/ aqutic scourge and every other boss
this is my 100 time fighting the brim elemental and 10 hour of hearing the prothand crags theme and yet to get any of these music boxes
sleek wigeon
doubt that
bitter drift
guess what it is
sleek wigeon
You sure its not an already recorded music box?
ashen warren
tis does happen to more people than one thinks
opal barn
Maybe because Brimmy and Profaned Crag don't have music boxes yet?
bitter drift
yes it isn't recorded
ashen warren
Wiki says Brim and Crags have no boxes]
sleek wigeon
yeah making sure the music boxes exist might help
opal barn
!wiki Music Boxes
red stormBOT
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Music_Box
Not the correct result? Use !wiki page Music Boxes for a direct link or !wiki search Music Boxes for a list of all hits.
opal barn
Reeeeeeeeead
bitter drift
then let me
opal barn
Good job on wasting 10 hours, though I doubt you tried for even 30 minutes
bitter drift
i got 11 of them
ashen warren
Here's something better
bitter drift
still need ravenger that i tried for an hour (i'm NOT joking about the time)
provedunce and prophand guardians too i didn't get and tried it took me a long time to get the preparators one
ashen warren
Heh, i play for 7 hours at a time most of the time and that is nothing
bitter drift
what do you mean by normal one
like sit there and wait
ashen warren
Yes
QoL suggestions are sometimes the best ones
Oh hey, my GSS rework suggestion has another vote, i unvote my vote now
ashen warren
And?
sleek wigeon
Just saying. Its crazy to try to get a music box for an hour, for a music box you are unlikely to even play
ashen warren
aka wasting an accessory slot just for a music box
bitter drift
well i want all of theme for a trophy room
yet to work on that cuz i don't have all of the music boxes
ashen warren
Is this meme or legit?
jolly glade
the message pin? probs legit since its true 
ashen warren
Even if you have a pin people are still gonna do Lorde suggestions
bitter topaz
^
jolly glade
rip
ashen warren
People just don't read the pins that often
bitter topaz
people suggesting the LORDE are the same who are too stupid to read the pins
ashen warren
Yep
spring oracle
Change the name to Suggestions_read_pins?
jolly glade
wont work
bitter topaz
change everything to <Channel Name> read pins> 
jolly glade
#bugs-read-pins is evidence of that
ashen warren
Yeah
hybrid cipher
@spring oracle no meme suggestions is already a thing
cyan lagoon
and #calamity-mod-talk pins already disallows the lorde
spring oracle
oh, ok sorry
tired haven
The instakill on leaving biome is pretty bs, considering not obvious edges of two of them. Enraged sentinels AI maybe?
night cradle
Ye, this could work too.
ashen warren
Sweet
opal barn
Lemme just make, a dungeon in the underworld that is also in space
night cradle
:hellyes:
sleek wadi
Make a giant-ass dungeon tower that connects the 2 
opal barn
I thought CV also restricted you to Dungeon, huh
ruby cobalt
Nope, you can take him out.
iirc some nohitting guy tried to pull it off by whooshing his ass over to the ocean
lament turret
Signus even requires you to be in hell?
Does DoG just summon a different version of Signus, then?
ruby cobalt
Rune just triggers the summon in certain areas, you don't need to keep them there.
If Signus required to be in hell then sentinel phase would've been complete ass.
cyan lagoon
signus was originally required in hell
he became invincible/recieved 99.99% dr when out of it
but it got removed when the sentinels were incorporated into dogs fight
chrome holly
How would you feel about more custom death messages? Say, if you die to DoG's head, you get "[PLAYER]'s essence was feasted upon"
tired haven
(Player name) is dog food
opal barn
I detect High IQ levels of this man
bitter drift
when died to the plague it will say
[player] died in a sick way
tired haven
got sick* probably?
bitter drift
yap dad jokes
tired haven
I mean we have head to legs for months, why not some variety
gusty geode
Any thoughts?
sleek wigeon
@gusty geode fuck people who like to prepare and screw peeps who fish amiright?
As someone who likes to take his time playing the game, experience all the sights of a playthrough
I think its dumb
neon panther
I like the idea but only as a separate mode
because yeah, sometimes it’s nice to take your time and do things like fish
sleek wigeon
Calamity has too many modes as is
polar grove
make it a deathmode only feature
lusty idol
that mode may break some stuff progression wise. it may be too much work to program and is really unneeded as a mode.
I know it could be a separate mode, but the progression change update is intended for the player to have freedom in their own playthrough and progression.
bitter drift
well what do you say
gusty geode
It could work, but I bet it'll get shot down by the "annoying" arguement really soon
bitter drift
worth it
but in all honesty there isn't anything to make the night different from the day except for a few enemies
sleek wadi
It just seems unnecessary to me.
bitter drift
that some are biome exclusive/in the underground/take for ever to appear
and calamity want to be hard yes
sleek wadi
Also from what I can tell, you can't do anything about in expert-.
bitter drift
why 5% isn't that much in the start
sleek wadi
At the start, you have little movespeed options unless you rush em. Also, the melee speed nerf makes mining take longer and only hurts melee classes.
bitter drift
ok but that os with a price
sleek wadi
?
Also of the non-biome exclusives, most of them are only fought at night so certain bosses can just take away move and melee speed from you with nothing you can do about it. And again it only hurts melee, so it should be rev+ at best.
bitter drift
look
tired haven
Honestly, do we need yet another stress-esque mechanic like that?
It doesn't make game exactly harder, but this certain one makes it more tedious to overcome
bitter drift
@tired haven it's not like rage
it's a debuff
ruby cobalt
Just so you know, stress also was a debuff, and a fucking annoying one at that.
Guess where it is now?
earnest raptor
What a hell, you say?
I'm answer.
I'm love mining.
I'm love swings my pickaxe for finding awesome things.
I'm love dying from boulders (damn it) and traps.
New ores with good sell value and adequate quantify - is already infuse me with... goodness.
Even if ore is useless in my playtrough, i'm even mine its.
Mining ores - one of awesomeness gameplay details in Terraria.
wanton sun
especially with a 1 usetime pickaxe
earnest raptor
And i sad, while in post-ml pickaxe dont need for mining new cool things.
wind stratus
Agreed. Pre-hardmode is much slower than the rest of the game and thus a bit less fun (imo), but the part where you explore caves for ore and loot while feeling vulnerable due to your lack of stuff is great.
echo notch
big facts
bitter drift
not a meme suggestion
quiet abyss
“Ozzie”?
ancient dragon
Did catch myself wondering what that is.
ruby cobalt
Uzi.
earnest raptor
Uzi is exists in game
quiet abyss
And “ez” is a name that sounds a bit too meme-ish
bitter drift
i tried
quasi fable
P90
quiet abyss
P90 already taken
quiet abyss
!wiki p90
red stormBOT
quasi fable
😂
ruby cobalt
Mortar Rounds
quiet abyss
...Oh true
tired haven
ancient dragon
A more proper, less-memey name would be 'Scorched Earth' or something to that effect. Something to emphasize that the weapon will level your land easily.
bitter drift
i can change it to easy
i want the name to be a bit funny
ancient dragon
Just... add a proper reason as to why you think it should be in the game.
bitter drift
there isn't an upgrade to the uzi
ancient dragon
Is... that it?
The Uzi is already a lone weapon, and is usually seen as just an alternative to the Megashark that is available earlier.
bitter drift
isn't that enoght of a reason to suggest something like that
(not in a memeish way that can be explained
ancient dragon
Not every weapon needs an upgrade, and having that as your reasoning is rather senseless.
Well, as your sole reasoning, anyways.
bitter drift
still if there is a wand of sparking upgrade there should be to every other wespon
ruby cobalt
No.
ancient dragon
No.
No there shouldn't be.
And said upgrade is a post-Yharon weapon.
bitter drift
what next the blow pipe is the next weapon to get an upgrade
tired haven
You don't have upgrades to final weapons of crafting trees because well they are final goddamn weps
Why couldn't there exist crafting trees of 1 weapon then?
ancient dragon
You're getting off-track here.
A proper reason to adding your weapon would be nicer, otherwise this would just be bloating the mod with things that have little motive to actually be in.
potent vortex
This suggestion really bother my OCD cuz no cap
bitter drift
and uzi is in 0 crafting trees
i get it the end of a crafting tree is the end so at least an upgrade for every vanila weapon
ancient dragon
Again, that makes no sense. Adding weapons just for the sake of giving everything an upgrade even if it may not need one is just adding unnecessary content that'll bloat the mod with unnecessary things.
bitter drift
i was talking to crabar
ancient dragon
Ack, I'm even repeating words here.
tired haven
Well, it is still a weapon tree in presense that it may have an upgrade, except it consists of single weapon and therefore doesn't have upgrade
I don't see actual reasoning behind adding upgrades to everything if that gotta end sooner or later
plush gazelle
@night cradle that map makes me anxious
bitter drift
i think he just using the burden braker
night cradle
@plush gazelle ech. Sorry.
bitter topaz
smh that's actually just stupid
the first one would be free damage
since anything with a tolerable use time wouldn't really be affected by it
and the second one would just cut your DPS for the same reason
heady rain
there i did some changes
bitter topaz
that doesn't exactly make it better
gimmicks don't work if they're arbitrary/forced
now the second one still lowers your DPS for the most part, and the first one joins it
@sweet totem smh
sweet totem
Oh shit forgot
"That first one sounds bad lol, the other sounds fine tho"
There I forgot there was a discussion channel
sinful violet
summon weapons
ruby cobalt
Rework it into an accessory, smh.
And bind increases/decreases to visibility toggle.
sweet totem
Tbh we need accessory effects as potions
ruby cobalt
Revivify exists, have you seen anyone using it?
opal barn
I forgot it even exists 
sweet totem
Tbh I had no idea it existed
ruby cobalt
That pretty much answered my question.
delicate raft
What's that
ruby cobalt
Absorber's absorbing effect packed into a 15s "potion" that doesn't even give you a buff
Oh, and you have to use it manually.
sweet totem
Well I meant a normal potion that'd give you a buff like an accessory
ruby cobalt
Too busted tbh.
You have to realize that optimally you'd be running 7 normal potions at most.
Then you reserve 5 buff slots for debuffs, and you're left with 10 slots.
And you can fit an entire amalgamation of accessories into those, if such potions even become a reality.
sweet totem
Better then the ones suggested in suggestions lol
ruby cobalt
No, they're actually worse because they're actually busted.
And the ones in there rn are just.. bad.
ruby cobalt
I mean the ones in #suggestions-voting that are bad
And the busted ones..
Well, imagine if you can get Reaper Necklace's effects without any disadvantages.
Or Rampart's effects.
sweet totem
Well I wasn't referring to the super good accessories I was thinking of other ones
ruby cobalt
The thing is, there are pretty much no other accessories that would benefit from such a thing.
It's either good ones, or you're discriminating against them and you're forced to also add their parts.
Revivify pot is at this point an unsuccessful experiment at most.
And if you actually make it a buff then it opens immense possibilities for cheese.
sweet totem
Make what like im not referencing an exact accessory
hollow shell
@sick onyx No meme suggestions, Cleric
ashen warren
@sick onyx No meme suggestions. Warned.
dull kite
ty toby
opal barn
He is still going 
hollow shell
The dumbass train cannot be stopped
ashen warren
hollow shell
(except that it can very easily)
ashen warren
Should I just mute him
hollow shell
Nah, he'll stop in a sec
ashen warren
Aight
cyan lagoon
suggestions should be in a single message, @sick onyx
opal barn
I like how he types everything like that so ye ^
neon panther
what was his first suggestion i missed it :c
cyan lagoon
nothing
opal barn
Fortnite burger
ruby cobalt
I would type it, but that's going to give you brain damage.
hollow shell
It can't be starred in its current state
So, suggestions shall carry on without his ¯_(ツ)_/¯
polar grove
it would actually be harder to control without the screen flip
polar grove
yes and for me atleast its more annoying than using it with the screen flip
maybe thats just me
ashen warren
Just you, cause the screen flip caused people to get negative effects towards their eyes or something like that
polar grove
im pretty sure your talking about ppl with epilepsy -_-
ashen warren
Yeah
polar grove
in the first place they xhouldnt even be playing video games
ashen warren
Well not all video games have things that trigger the effects and I’m sure that theirs different degrees to epilepsy
polar grove
its just broken
i use the anechoic plating
and enemies still detect me from super far away
same with the consumable one
hollow shell
Can you get an estimate on what "super far away" is?
Or an image, video, gif, etc to demonstrate?
lucid marsh
It’s off screen. Reaper sharks will detect player no matter what distance as far as I can tell
polar grove
yea but its not just reaper sharks
even the weakest enemies are always aggroed as soon as they spawn
lucid marsh
Actually all layer 4 enemies except colossal squid?
hollow shell
I don't get that from my experience
I've had plenty of times where a whole Reaper Shark was on my screen (in the dark, but his health bar and stuff are still there)
and it's making its passive warbly noise
polar grove
well then you must have been lucky
hollow shell
Using Abyssal Diving Suit, granted
polar grove
i honestly dont know if its a bug, or if its an actual thing with the stealth stuff that just makes it not effective in the slightest
but it has never worked for me
hollow shell
I'll also admit that it could probably be better
It's kinda hard to tell when you've been noticed or not, and there's no indication as to a creature's detection radius
even though stealth is supposed to be the focus
polar grove
yea
the least they could do is give some kind of radar thing to enemies that turns red when youve been spotted or something
wanton sun
I don't usually have a problem with enemies in the abyss, cause of death most of the time is drowning
hollow sail
hi i wanted to know if the latest version is on Tmodloader
neon panther
not the place, and the technical latest version is in #mod-announcements but the latest least buggy version is indeed on tmodloader
@hollow sail
gritty crow
@ashen warren You know you can turn off the screen flipping in the video settings right?
neon panther
is suggesting this emote too much of a meme
ashen warren
Yeah probably
neon panther
dammit
died
hollow shell
@worthy fiber That's actually a really good idea and you should elaborate so more people star it
neon panther
^
hollow shell
"For instance, Anechoic Plating should reduce all aggro, instead of just being used in the Abyss"
heady comet
Can we add :hellyes: back
hollow shell
@oblique haven That is a strange and bad idea
Clowns and Corruptors were nerfed waay back to prevent that from happening
oblique haven
o
hollow shell
DoG doesn't have much to do with biomes anyhow
I could at least somewhat understand if like
you wanted The Hive Mind to fling Corruption-spreading balls everywhere
I still wouldn't agree tho cuz yknow
mob griefing, nono
oblique haven
🤔 I was jsut more like thinking of it as a penalty
sleek wadi
I think having the evil spread or whatever would help in most cases considering those biomes have nothing added to them post-ML so everywhere becomes safe.
If any fall near your town, well first off box it off but it's probably not deep so you could use clentaminator.
tired haven
Imho if even summon items were changed to non-consumable, that means "low/no punishment" policy
sleek wadi
It's an unneeded penalty and a weak one at that.
oblique haven
🤔 how about a boss cooldown for summoning that one boss
so that you must wait before fighting again
sleek wadi
Nah man.
tired haven
Why though?
Torture for the reason of torture?
sleek wadi
Death and in most cases having to restart is penalty enough.
barren rain
DOG, Yharon, Scal are hard enough, putting a cooldown would make them infinitely more agitating to fight
tired haven
This doesn't add depth to gameplay but rather makes you waste time for nothing
oblique haven
I was meanling like pre-hardmode but eh
tired haven
Ehm, there are no boss cooldowns in game except Skeletron and Cultist (and Plantera kind of). All of them are pretty unneeded and annoying.
(Cultist one was removed in Calamity, Plantera was managed to a degree)
sleek wadi
If you count the build up ML has a cooldown
oblique haven
Plantera is more of a "Find the buld" thingy
ashen warren
@gritty crow You can turn of the screen flip on console, or at I remember you could
ashen warren
Got Damn I Love It!
tired haven
Wasn't there some kind of alert fish already?
neon panther
There are no radioactive slimes
bitter drift
there is in the rain of post moon lord
tired haven
There is one postML?
neon panther
there aren’t any sand spiked slimes either
ashen warren
Radiation Slime?
neon panther
oh irradiated slime
bitter drift
those are new slimes
tired haven
Well, sand spiked can be added
ashen warren
Spike version of Slimes when
neon panther
Spiked astrageldon when
ashen warren
Wait I have simple but good idea
heady comet
Can we get a slime church for the slime god
bitter drift
the slime god isn't in there this is a king slime more on the lore (if it didn't changed and king slime isn't controlled by yharon)
ashen warren
The Jelly Lord shall Rise
He has been rejected
That’s a pretty good Suggestion adir
I’m officially talking to myself
vague olive
You cant just add anything to someone suggestion and say “if theirs gets in then so should mine”
Just tell them to edit it onto theirs?
bitter drift
cuz the fungus jelly doesn't drop one
and beetle you can take it for yourself just credit
quiet abyss
@obtuse dust Boss suggestions aren’t accepted, period
quiet abyss
Boss suggestions suggesting new bosses aren’t accepted. However, making suggestions to change/rework existing bosses are ok
obtuse dust
sorry
obtuse dust
yup, my ideas are stupid anyway XD
bitter drift
i do not think that will be added because you do need the ability to fly high fast
wanton sun
Adding a hover is mostly useless considering the tracers already greatly increase run speed
This isn't vanilla with a 41 mph run
It's 61 mph run
alpine garnet
it'd be nice for some cases, like yharon infernadoes
bitter drift
i think more of DoG
ancient dragon
Pretty sure max speed isn't 61mph anymore. iirc it was 56, but I could be wrong on that.
ancient dragon
I need to re-test that when I get the time, but if I'm not mistaken, Celestial Tracers are 56. Either that or 51, but certainly not 61.
lament turret
Max speed with tracers is 61. Angel treads is 56, iirc
But anyways, hovering isn't just for the speed boost. It's for getting over obstacles on the ground.
For instance, if you need to switch directions versus DoG's ground phase.
Or get over Providence's blobs
quiet abyss
@brave mesa That recipe is very excessive.
Since it requires all frags, make them 5 at most.
At most astral bars should be 15
Stardust should be 30 at most
Fallen star is fine
hearty yew
I'm more a fan of having more boosters than adding hover to tracers
brave mesa
Oh I see
hearty yew
Boosters could feature better aerial movement with no boot effect, but instead they allow for extremely fast horizontal movement and hovering
brave mesa
Then I shall reduce the numbers
hearty yew
I'm just scared to suggest
quiet abyss
Nah, you shouldn't be.
Just suggest what's on your mind, once you have refined your ideas enough
I'll take any atleast decent suggestions over low-effort/meme/ridiculous suggestions any day
opal barn
looks at 95% of #suggestions-voting
quiet abyss
neon panther
sometimes I feel like suggestions is the shitpost channel
lament turret
I try not to suggest new items because 9 times out of 10, it's a shitty suggestion
brave mesa
I'll keep that in mind when suggesting anything new
quiet abyss
Your suggestion is nice, don't worry
tired haven
I just suggest what I want because it is too polished to be actually warned and 100% of suggestions are not considered anyway
quiet abyss
I'm talking about other suggestions that are bad.
cough Pointless new weapons that are basically filler cough
lament turret
^
"bwuuuuuuh I need the fifthieth ranged weapon for Moon Lord tier"
"And don't worry. This one is even more powerful"
quiet abyss
tired haven
lament turret
Just ban ranged weapon suggestions, unless it's nerfs to existing ones
quiet abyss
Actually, thinking about it, summoner and throwing weapons suggestions are typically more refined than other weapon types. And are often atleast decent quality.
tired haven
Nerf hailbutt
lament turret
Because those players are actually dedicated to their class
quiet abyss
Eeyup
tired haven
Yeah
hearty yew
ranged gun players are the bottom of the barrel
lament turret
And have explored every corner of it because there aren't many corners or complexities
hearty yew
there's about six billion of them
quiet abyss
Ye
hearty yew
People who actually use bows, have my respect, lol
Except Phantasm and Phangasm those things are just meme machines
quiet abyss
tired haven
I mean those two classes have the most holes in progression so people actually know what to put
lament turret
^
quiet abyss
^
hearty yew
calamity needs less swords and more spears/boomerangs/flails/etc.
I feel like swords are a cop out
"oh it's a sword that does X"
lament turret
Also, are flails considered true melee?
quiet abyss
Too many swords, ye
tired haven
No
lament turret
Or is that literally just spears without projectiles and swords w/o projectiles?
hearty yew
Not even spears
tired haven
Only swords rn
hearty yew
JUST SWORDS
tired haven
Thx vanilla
lament turret
Oh yeah, that's right
neon panther
yay terraria code
sinful violet
@neon panther isn’t that basically thoriums HM aquatic depths hook
neon panther
I don’t play thorium so idk
brave mesa
Back in my day, only sword that shoots projectiles was clouds buster sword
lament turret
Honestly, though, why do you care about hooks that much?
sinful violet
QoL
lament turret
They're used for exactly 2 things: Extra bit of range on your wings/reset flight timer, and dodge if you're in a bad position and can't dodge sideways
tired haven
Mobility variety
lament turret
And if you just git gud scrub, you don't need the latter
quiet abyss
Oh god that most recent suggestion whyyyyy
tired haven
Even resetting flytime helps in long race
hearty yew
Hooks are nice
They can be very useful
And there's a lot of space for innovation and new ideas in hooks
sinful violet
Hook that explodes on contact with blocks
ashen warren
Best
hearty yew
Hook that's actually just a directional dash
No actual hook
🙃
I want to be able to dodge up and down but relogic decided that was a set bonus when 1.3 came out
quiet abyss
Hooks, other than flight time reset can actually save your ass, since if you time it correctly you can boost your jump speed at the start quite a lot.
cyan lagoon
aww man i wish i could react with ❤
quiet abyss
The guy is most likely genuine, but sadly the last thing this server needs is more channels.
ruby cobalt
If we can get that can we also get #FAQ
ruby cobalt
But there would be no pins so it would be a good bait
tired haven
And then people would even more rarely read pins
ruby cobalt
Smh, when are we getting the supreme rule - "If you haven't read the pins - ban"
Original version - "If you ask what are the changes in rules then you obviously haven't read the rules and thus you should be banned"
opal barn
Unfortunately, that would be way too strict, 70% of the server would be banned
bitter topaz
^
tired haven
Want 95%?
bitter topaz
i'd personally be in full support of a "read bins or 
" if it weren't for that
tired haven
Read beans
ruby cobalt
Hey, I was that strict on a twitch stream, got like 50 bans with ~50 average viewers in a day
lime marten
Do people ever hear back about their suggestions? Or does it sorta slip its way into the game if its accepted
neon panther
the brimstone furniture is the "cinderplate" furniture iirc
even if its not made with it
lucid marsh
Ok but cinderplate still should be renewable
hollow shell
Yeah, Ashen and Ancient are its furniture sets
reword the suggestion to just be
make em renewable
ashen warren
I thought the Ancient And Ashen sera were Brimstone shit
heady rain
@sharp fable pretty sure someone suggested that before already
raw shadow
oh is this a future idea suggestion Place?
sharp fable
@heady rain just wanted to say something after i beat it in a 7 min fight
neon panther
can you be a bit more specific
teal shoal
Hard to expand it really maybe make it onto way better version of fishron mount
neon panther
what mode is it in, whats the recipe/drop, how fast would it be, could it fly forever or limited flight time..
limber gate
probably unlimited flight
teal shoal
Weelp gonna write later cuz currently on phone
bitter drift
hhmmm interesting
i suggest something more in the lore like
in lave it get dabble the speed
slow nova
I like the idea of a mount, maybe instead of crafting a rare drop instead.
And if you craft it the crafting station should be lava, to fit the lore. Add to that that you cant use it in a world pre yharon like the few other items that are locked that way
but else its a star for me because I always like mounts
civic hedge
i think everyone who played this mod already thought that
cyan lagoon
🤦
hollow shell
@sick onyx Edit your first message to mention it drops from Yharon
we cannot accept or star the suggestion if it is broken up
dull kite
oops
ashen warren
do suggestions still get checkmarks if they are sent to the dev server
bitter topaz
if the checkmark isn't a thing anymore shouldn't the pin about it be removed?
sick onyx
what do you think, Source?
hollow shell
an Exospear has been faintly considered for a long time
and there's a sprite for it floating around
I don't know if it'll ever become a thing, though
polar grove
honestly the dog is already cheesy sounding enough without the addition of yet another quote
ashen warren
I like that quote
polar grove
but im all for it
also atlas by lifesteal do you mean it will take life from you below 50% health, or it will lifesteal from enemies
bitter topaz
lifesteal refers to receiving x% of damage dealt as health
in no context should it refer to a DoT debuff
hollow shell
@terse rain no need to mention tombstones, the messages appear in the chat
terse rain
I know what you're saying, special messages do appear in the chat but as of now dying from the hitcounter on SCal just gives the RoD death message
and DoG's head just gives a normal one
hollow shell
Yeah, it's a good suggestion
just remove the words "on tombstones" lol
terse rain
there are special death "messages" already, though
it's just not on tombstones
why did I put messages in quotations
hollow shell
Include an example
like "<Playername> was devoured."
and everyone will understand what you mean
terse rain
yeah that would make sense
hollow shell
Perfect 👌
neon panther
that feeling when a suggestion does well
neon panther
my highest is like 87 or so iirc, most of mine do pretty well unless they don’t
neon panther
sure
cedar sorrel
Sorry fo that wall of text, just had a great idea and needed to attempt my first suggestion.
ashen warren
My one suggestion got 57 stars
frosty kindle
👏
ashen warren
Wait why bloons Tower Defense of all games
Also
What does DDT even stand for? Same question for the other items
frosty kindle
Dark Dirigible Titan
also BTD games are 👌
plucky patio
ashen warren
Yeah it's good but it doesn't exactly match the Calamity feel
alpine garnet
could add hover to those, I'd actually wanna use them over tracers for yharon prob
it'd be a nice niche for some fights
little jolt
we already have a BTD reference in the form of the MOAB, iris
thorn canyon
buh more refernce
little jolt
ye
that isn't meant to discourage the suggestion bc we already have one
i meant that it wouldn't be out of place because we already have one
neon panther
they get a lot of love
echo hound
No
dull kite
Maybe you should like.. add detail to your suggestion
neon panther
thrower could use another accessory but they got attention with calamity
echo hound
ok
hollow shell
Ye, give some examples
of what you think would be good for them
New item, new accessory
State names, functions, obtaining, etc
echo hound
summoning has 19 weapons in total (not including sentries) and melee has 23 in just pre hardmode
echo hound
Theres litteraly 1 post ml throwing weapon
neon panther
...no?
echo hound
well i guess 1 consumable throwing weapon never mind
neon panther
yeah and a lot of non-consumable throwing weapons
thorn canyon
main classes have a lot of weapons
a side class has not a lot of weapons
neon panther
are you saying thrower isnt a real class 
@livid coral bean this man
thorn canyon
now now hear me out
thrower is a real class but is basically mini ranged
why use thrower when you can use ranged
neon panther
echo hound
the main classes are melee, magic, summoner, and ranged
its just that melee and magic are used more
that doesn't mean the other classes should have a crap ton less items
neon panther
if you believe there arent enough summoner/throwing items, suggest some, but dont just say "add more throwing/summoner weapons"
thorn canyon
(insert glass-themed set of weapons i created that got like 3 votes lmao)
(which included a summon and a throwing)
: )
oh 9 of them nvm
little jolt
imo provi should get a viable summon drop
so you aren't stuck with elemental axe
variety opens up at DoG tier but not before that
calamari, ghasts, cosmilamp
but at provi tier you have the axe and stardust dragon
idk
just my opinion
livid coral
kicks down door SOMEONE DISSING MY THROWING CLASS?
frosty kindle
whomst 
little jolt
after yeah
but you're fighting him right before DoG if you're going in progression order
devout seal
Y'can spawn him just after ML anyway
little jolt
yeah that's true
tardy blaze
i might put this into suggestions so give me your opinions: just like how the phantasm dragon from the lunatic cultist fight maybe the DoG can have a bite animation when your like a couple blocks away from his head
just to make it cooler
and to make it look like you actually get devoured rather than touching by his head
spring oracle
I like it
worthy fiber
@earnest raptor don’t use that word man, sounds mean : (
quiet abyss
"retards" I assume
frosty kindle
retards
try use something a little less harsh
earnest raptor
Useless, it's right?
quiet abyss
That works
frosty kindle
i mean you're not wrong with the term useless
frail wigeon
adirs suggestions are creative kind of but uh
basically everything is spelt wrong
it’s probably their second language
quiet abyss
Some of the suggestions are arguably the opposite of creative.
Infact, recently adir had been making suggestions that are just....fillers.
frail wigeon
yea one of them was weird
quiet abyss
Might be why adir eventually got blocked from this channel and #suggestions-voting
frail wigeon
makes sense
quiet abyss
As for the second language thing....English is my second language too.
I mean ye, if something is your second language then I can understand if you're not going to use proper grammars and such.
But it's like adir hadn't even bothered to try to learn English more.
frosty kindle
it seems adir left the server, since i cannot mention him anymore
quiet abyss
Ye he did
frosty kindle
seems he must've got mad since he was pretty much banned from suggestions
quiet abyss
adir pretty much almost never appears in any other channels than this one and #suggestions-voting
If even at all
It's like he's only in the server to suggest things
frosty kindle
no offence, but his suggestions as you mentioned before was just fillers, or things that wouldn't really make much sense in game. (also, again no offence but sometimes it was hard to FULLY understand what he wanted to be in game due to frequent spelling, grammatical errors)
quiet abyss
Ye, that's my exact thoughts
tired haven
You aren't wrong that he left
quiet abyss
It's prolly for the better that he left, even if I don't have anything against him
tired haven
Sadly enough, I didn't find his suggestions very good either
Y'know, that feels like he was slightly possessed by the idea there are suggestions for the beloved mod, but eventually he was reminded that nearly none will get it, especially from his side, so he just left
assuming genders over internet reee
quiet abyss
Mhm
frosty kindle
take a drink every time i say "no offence"no offence, again but personally i think the block from the channel was to further drive the message. I got nothing against him, however
quiet abyss
Ye, I got nothing against him either, even if I think he could have tried to atleast improve his English and the qualities of his suggestions a bit.
tired haven
I wonder if bobylev would be eventually directed like that
heady comet
Rip
frosty kindle
well, i personally kinda like how bobbylev tries to bring bad weapons back into relevance, as seen with his latest suggestion
tired haven
Though personally I find his quality higher for quite a bit, just weird language
quiet abyss
Boby prolly wouldn't be directed like that.
Mainly because his grammar is more understandable, and his suggestions are pretty much always atleast decent
frosty kindle
also gtg, cya guys 👋
quiet abyss
Cya 👋
ashen warren
see ya
heady comet
Can we rework aqua scourge
frosty kindle
Pinkie, this time you're not late to say goodbye
quiet abyss
And ye, I like boby's suggestions.
He tends to either try to make underused/underrated/underpowered weapons become relevance, or suggest something new that's usually pretty interesting.
Ofc, there's some weird suggestions from him every once in a while, but even then they're still decent
tired haven
Who doesn't have something weird in their list after a while tbf
quiet abyss
Ye true
cough My Shade Heart suggestion cough
tired haven
all my suggestions
ruby cobalt
Bobylev's language
Eh, what do you expect from a fellow russian?
tired haven
Smth like yours
ruby cobalt
Yea, but I'm a wildcard that started learning it since like 8-9, never paid any attention in classes and then somehow learnt it by playing vidyagames 
quiet abyss
I start trying to actively learn English...
...Upon stumbling on my first ever Let's Play video
tired haven
Literally better than 10 years of english classes
quiet abyss
At like, 6 years old
sinful violet
wew
ruby cobalt
You'd be surprised how playing on american/australian servers can boost your knowledge of language.
Offtopic btw.
sinful violet
how long has this been offtopic
quiet abyss
A while.
We'll stop now ye
tired haven
An hour probably
sinful violet
oof
tired haven
Let's analyze my suggestion pls because ffs there was like only one suggestion out of 10 that was actually discussed here for me 
quiet abyss
Around 40 mins from what I checked.
And oof indeed.
Here I thought the server getting trial mods mean more active moderators smh
And your suggestion is quite neat, Crab
ruby cobalt
Hol' up.
ashen warren
i thought it was on topic because it was related to the suggestions
ruby cobalt
It's not post-HM/Perfs.
tired haven
Feather drops prehm
quiet abyss
It is, aerialite bars
ruby cobalt
Yeah, but not a Giant Harpy Feather.
tired haven
You sure?
ruby cobalt
!wiki tgc:giant harpy feather
red stormBOT
quiet abyss
...Oops, I miss that one.
Ye should just be feathers
ruby cobalt
Ye, just checked.
quiet abyss
Should just be feathers honestly
quiet abyss
Just make it like, 5 feathers instead of a giant one and we're solid
ashen warren
yeah I was about to say, i've gotten it pre-hardmode
tired haven
"to craft Harpy Wings, <---Hardmode-only item"
It references to wings rather than to feather
Which confused us
ruby cobalt
Can't read btw.
ashen warren
ashen warren
More MOAB Suggestions aye?
ruby cobalt
Eventually they'll get in.
ashen warren
Oddly enough, i made a similar suggestion ages ago
quasi fable
There should be a flying carpet upgrade called sinister cloak or something
Because the fact that the cloak in auric tesla literally is a carpet is 😂
wanton sun
It's called auric tesla greaves
ashen warren
Henk my MOAB upgrade has 43 stars since July
tired haven
My has 37
ashen warren
OOF
Im pretty sure the more we suggest these, the more the devs are going to get annoyed everytime on gets 35 stars XD
tired haven
I mean there is scal hitcounter which should be more annoying
ashen warren
Thats the apitamy of annoying
wanton sun
Didn't they say the hitcap will be removed after goozma is implemented
tired haven
Yes but there is ton of a time before that and by hitcounter I mean lil number that says how much hits before you get rekt
bitter topaz
@teal shoal the golden shower and everglade spray purposely don't envoke the summon nerf
so that makes that a moot suggestion
teal shoal
but make that you can have it with pure summoner so eh
bitter topaz
literally anyone who considers either item an actual weapon is kinda dumb imo
they're built as support weapons
and if you somehow did count it as an actual weapon the Golden Gun exists iirc
which also applies ichor and is in the same vein as the lunic eye/marked magnum
cyan lagoon
No love for corruption players
placid moth
what
cyan lagoon
Especially those who can't find their evil island
bitter topaz
tbh a recipe to craft between flames and ichor may be a good idea
placid moth
only thing that matters in corruption is the worm scarf tbh
bitter topaz
you can buy that post-BoC in a crimson world iirc
placid moth
oo really ?
bitter topaz
ye, dryad should sell it
placid moth
are you able to buy ichor as well
bitter topaz
nope
bitter topaz
seems slightly inconsistant imo
since you can build an artificial biome for both opposing evil bosses as well
vague olive
@raw shadow boss suggestions arent allowed
ashen warren
@raw shadow Boss suggestions will never be accepted
bitter topaz
Quality™
vague olive
Pins™
tardy blaze
isnt there a number of suggestions you need to get a bot or someone to notice it
worthy fiber
35
tardy blaze
sweet
worthy fiber
see the pins smh
bitter topaz
yes, but it's frowned upon
worthy fiber
do it with nobility
ashen warren
I don't think he can, I thought it was only cool dudes and above that could star
worthy fiber
nah as in like
teal shoal
highly requested thing so yea
worthy fiber
hey, at least now we know there's a high demand for that
tired haven
- You physically cannot get full rage in less than 4 hits
- PostML bosses hitting hard is intended
- Just git gud
ashen warren
That suggestion makes no sense
vague olive
Wow you can really tell they put alot of work in that suggestion
ashen warren
Meanwhile the map-icon is a Terrific Idea
split mesa
I feel like Bloodletting Essence/Fetid Essence needs more uses than the evil flasks
ashen warren
^
cyan lagoon
besides blood relic
theres nothing else that uses those
same thing with the beetle juice, gypsy powder, and the maneater/trapper bulbs
ashen warren
Sads
gusty geode
Came up with a new use for Man Eater Bulbs, maybe not very good but it's all I could think of off the top of my head
sleek wadi
That'd let someone get Tyrant Yharim's Ultisword pre-plantera, thus letting melee run over Plantera for basically free.
gusty geode
I meant the one you get from the Imbueing Station, reworded to clarify
Or am I dumb
neon panther
it could easily be balanced by adding living shards to tyrant yharim's ultisword
ancient dragon
@cyan lagoon Classy Cane?
terse rain
Mecha Mandrill, ranged gets to run over almost everything pre-ml for free with hailbut
thorn kernel
yeah but thats a 1/1000 drop and isnt really an intended part of the progression
terse rain
still exists
tired haven
seriously taking hailbutt in consideration
terse rain
hailbut existing
tired haven
Hey, it is lots of fun to meme about
terse rain
relating hailbut cannon to fun
tired haven
not relating it to fun
tired haven
^ smh
terse rain
fair enough
sleek wadi
Ranger is bullshit for the all but one part of the game, being literally the very end of it at Scal.
night cradle
Hmm
I like the Yharim saying that
timber gale
@terse rain IMO auto fire (particularly on slow weapons) is never bad because it results in a lot less m1 mashing to try to maximize DPS
timber gale
but if your click rate is a bit too fast you fire at half the speed
terse rain
I know.
alpine garnet
respawning instantly would cause issues with boss despawns prob
delicate raft
Way too op
heady comet
The longer death screen allows you to take a minute to rethink your life
tardy blaze
i went like weeks into suggestions, none of them have checks, is the bot down or whatever
worthy fiber
bot's down but it isn't the one who adds stars
cool dudes+ do that
Also, you may be looking at the message history before the current rules were implemented
(the whole star system)
heady comet
Rip Determination breaker
worthy fiber
that doesn't do that anymore you edited your message smh
tardy blaze
@worthy fiber i checked the rules, they are still 35+ stars is pass and u get a check
i guess things take time
probably like 50+ suggestions a day; can only take so many
worthy fiber
mmm
gusty geode
Dear God my suggestion for enemies made to annoy the player has 40 stars
sleek wigeon
@worthy fiber I mean, boulders are a cheap easy and super quick qay to kill town npcs as well
Need an npc dead? sic 3-5 boulders at him
or her
worthy fiber
you don't get the satisfaction of killing them with weapons
plus that requires a tinkerer's workshop, which isn't really as simple to get in early-game
neon panther
idk what you mean, blossom flux is viable even for Providence
sleek wigeon
Its simpler to get than a vodoo doll
demons are p beefy and do a fuckload of damage early game
Early game being when you have about 220 hp, since thats when goblins can attack
And not to mention
killing npcs with boulders
is IMMENSELY
satisfying
Seeing and npc be rolled and hit by a single boulder a few times is just heck
worthy fiber
~~truthfully, I haven't been able to get the tinkerer to spawn which means I can't use boulders ~~
sleek wigeon
sounds like a personally problem ngl
cyan lagoon
and if they're hanging out too much in the right
you won't be able to hit them because boulders always go left
neon panther
yes cob boulders always go right so you can’t hit them if they’re on the right
lucid marsh
Let me know if I’m missing a gem or you have a better idea for an effect
dense girder
so these are just status debuff bullets
ashen warren
Reminds me of the Flail Cores and Spear Tips from Thorium
proven tide
@lucid marsh Diamond and Topaz are significantly more powerful than the others. Perhaps they can inflict Frostburn and Dazed, respectively, instead?
Even though/especially because Dazed doesn't have any Vanilla sources, that might be useful
To be honest, Ancient Manipulator seems a bit far in progression for them.
quasi fable
Also uh
Amulet
Or maybe its a pun
Then write it as ammo-let
It will be more obvious
neon panther
at first I thought it was supposed to be omelet
tired haven
I smell EtG ngl but there they were accessories benefitting blanks, not bullets
orchid oxide
A good shrew has some good ideas
neon panther
ammulet isnt the correct spelling either though 
orchid oxide
very vital to game design
tired haven
Yeah, if smth it is Amulet
orchid oxide
Top ten moments before disaster
tired haven
And even then we have deific amulet so it will interfere
rancid edge
@wooden leaf can. can you not do these kind of suggestions
wooden leaf
Ok
neon panther
you can just ping xbxbxb and tell him "oh btw your spelling is off and you might want to change it"
orchid oxide
I’m pretty sure it’s meant to be a play on words
sleek wigeon
Yeah but its also clearly intentional
orchid oxide
Ammo + Amulet
sleek wigeon
Its a dang etg reference
elder mist
also the amethyst amulet is severely broken
wooden leaf
?
elder mist
allowing all regular guns to inflict marked for death = broken
wooden leaf
May be godslayer?
elder mist
godslayer for a hardmode item?
elder mist
tired haven
Underwatched opinion: bullets need neither accessories nor buff
terse rain
I feel like the suggestion with the ammolets is just too op
bullets inflicting marked for death just makes me into a toad
wooden leaf
Yup
fervent zealot
daybroken
marked
no thanks
ruby cobalt
temporal sadness
broken dove
tired haven
let's give ranger blanks and then rearrange ammolets to benefit blanks
ancient dragon
That sounds like a really fun but also really arbitrary thing.
You'd be better off coding that on your own.
gusty geode
Minigames aren't really supposed to be fitting, but I see your point
ancient dragon
Yeah, but it'd just be pointless bloat. A separate global mod is better for that.
gusty geode
I can't code to save my life
ancient dragon
Pitch the idea to some other coder, I guess.
ashen warren
that cat and mouse idea sounds fun tbh
but 50 of the treasure bags Is kinda a stretch
30 might be reasonable
brisk mason
Not really, as the punishment is character deletion
alpine garnet
would also need some way to stop enraging for some bosses
brisk mason
Yep
ruby cobalt
Hell ye, it's a good idea, literally "avoidance mode", but doesn't fit the mod.
ancient dragon
That does look a lot better.
teal shoal
Holy flames sound a little bit ridiculous tho
ancient dragon
Ark of the Ancients and subsequent upgrades inflict it.
teal shoal
Ah wait its post ml i see
ancient dragon
The Ammolet itself isn't, just the Rainbow one.
teal shoal
W/e
ancient dragon
And it's still fine, because inflicting Holy Flames yourself is already balanced for the point you can use it in.
teal shoal
Gonna move out
ruby cobalt
rebalanced ammolets
Mhm, temporal sadness and holy flames are still there.
neon panther
yeah cause dealing 20 hp per second is so op mid-hm
and temporal sadness isnt that op for mid-hm either
lucid marsh
Holy flames isn’t OP but temporal sadness might be. Should I replace it with crush depth?
ruby cobalt
Ye.
lucid marsh
Did it (a while ago)
dull kite
@austere oyster don’t talk in #suggestions-voting
wheat inlet
@gusty geode I think that 50 treasure bags is too much.
wheat inlet
Mainly because Armagedon (where you get one hit, I think) you only get 10 (or 11 in expert mode) treasure bags
dull kite
yeah, imo 50 is a bit much
austere oyster
but is it possible to spawn anymore bosses?
hollow shell
I don't even see the point of the ridiculously high rewards and downsides
I thought the point of the suggestion was just
natural boss spawns
austere oyster
ye more natural boss spawns
wheat inlet
Either way, I still really like the idea.
gusty geode
As a whole I was attempting a unique challenge mode/minigame, natural boss summoning is just a bonus
hollow shell
Uhh
it should be the focus
If you want permadeath, use Iron Heart
if you want many treasure bags, use Armageddon
if you want natural boss spawns, use Cat And Mouse
There isn't much reason for having this one mode lump all that stuff into one, when we already have modes to do those other functions
it should just be the unique thing that it adds, that other modes currently don't add
that being
the bosses' presence
and needing to chase them down
wheat inlet
wait how would SCal work with it
gusty geode
When she finds you the box spawns around your location?
wheat inlet
I guess that'd work
Also, if they were to add treasure bags to Cat & Mouse, how would SCal work since she doesn't drop treasure bags?
hollow shell
Do you get what I'm saying, Mr. Meme?
gusty geode
I was thinking there would have to be a special reward for winning and a punishment of some kind for failing
Both of them had been done already, but it was all I could think of
hollow shell
The punishment is that the fucker's still in your world tearing shit up
the reward could be like...
guaranteed all-drops, I guess
not 50x drops
worthy fiber
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