nah
#suggestions-discussion
sleek wigeon
n-n-no its not >_>
bitter topaz
first off, we don't need to know about you being spammed with dick pics,
secondly, it's offtopic
brazen yarrow
No, its my meme.
bitter topaz
@worthy raptor we need your help because there's a genius in #suggestions-voting again
dull kite
Warned
worthy raptor
AAAAA
brazen yarrow
Oh noes.
dull kite
I got it lompl
brazen yarrow
You woke the beast.
worthy raptor
thanks bb
brazen yarrow
Wait I'm warned o noe ;-;.
worthy raptor
@vale acorn can you not make meme suggestions please
heady comet
It's best you stop meming right there
frosty kindle
^
brazen yarrow
But mommy, I live on memes. But ok.
white laurel
Actually stop
vale acorn
neon panther
aaa repeated suggestions 
wanton sun
When nerfing a boss gets more stars than a visual change
bitter topaz
smh death boc is actually easier due to a bug iirc 
elder sparrow
there's a bug with BoC anyway
bitter topaz
that it exists?
elder sparrow
if it just passively spawns creepers
bitter topaz
yeah i know boc can revert if enough creepers are alive
elder sparrow
also happens when you just straight up go out of the biome
bitter topaz
i literally suggested that yesterday, with the weapon even being at the same tier
smh
ashen warren
I saw the suggestion but this one is different
thorn canyon
is it tho
ashen warren
Well look
ashen warren
I edited one thing... I added the increase to speed and lowered mana cost
ashen warren
That one line yeah
thorn canyon
meh
ashen warren
So what else was edited then?
tired haven
Come to think about it, is there at least one abyss weapon that can be upgraded/is material?
hollow shell
@gritty crow Last I checked
thrower items usually aren't held up in the air while spawning projectiles from off-screen
sleek wadi
Does Depth Blade count as an abyss weapon?
gritty crow
Hey you're right! But last I checked most swords don't use mana yet the mirror blade does
Megalodon gets an upgrade yeah?
hollow shell
I think Crab's talking more about the items crafted using only Depth Cells, Lumenyl, and Tenebris
talkin bout Typhon's Greed, Dreadmine Staff, etc
tired haven
Well, also abyss drops but yes
gritty crow
Ah, well in that case I believe the answer is nope
hollow shell
Oh yeah, none of the chest weapons do either...
hollow shell
That's kinda straying into the territory of being a different weapon, rather than a class alt
Guess it doesn't matter too much though
gritty crow
That would work too honestly
ashen warren
@bitter topaz If you think my thing is too similar to yours I'd be happy to remove it
worthy fiber
Why not the Lumenous Amulet though?
quiet abyss
I think of lumenous amulet as more like an exploration acc for abyss than a combat acc. And exploration stats wouldn't really fit in with my suggestion, which is purely for combat. Abyssal Amulet fits better since it's leaning more on the combat side.
Actually, might as well make the acc adds 10% max hp at all times too.
Yes my thought process is this weird normally.
worthy fiber
righty
quiet abyss
This acc is just something for true melee really.
The very brief invincibility period after striking with true melee I put there to give the true melee users like, atleast just barely enough time to get away after attacking.
Why I associated a true melee stuff with abyss, I have no idea
ruby cobalt
Because we belong there.
quiet abyss
tired haven
Well if the invincibility has cd I guess effect should be around a second long
Also tbh that accessory is pretty dang powerful so some stats may be excessive
quiet abyss
Hmm...I'll remove either the damage and hp then
Or should I remove both?
ruby cobalt
Remove HP, keep damage.
quiet abyss
Done
quiet abyss
ruby cobalt
BRRRRRRRRAP
quiet abyss
I give cooldown to the explosions too so it's not too many explosions
Though I'm not the balance police, so I jsut write "short" cooldown
tired haven
I mean these explosions cause iframes so mantis claws end up being worse than baghs 
That's for good tho, will make slow big swords more viable
ruby cobalt
Excuse me, GG is already viable.
quiet abyss
I at first consider giving explosions "ignore i frames" but that would be too much for a post-plantera acc.
...Hmm, or should I make the explosions not linger, and is just one hit free damage?
ruby cobalt
If it's "one free extra hit" then you could go nuts with usetime 1.
quiet abyss
Short cooldown tho
ruby cobalt
Still depends on how short it is.
quiet abyss
Eh true
tired haven
Half a sec?
ruby cobalt
If it's short enough it's broken, if it's long enough it becomes useless.
Half a second sounds ok, you won't get more than 2 hits on max speed.
quiet abyss
Well, it depends on both the damage of the explosion and the cooldown, not just either one alone.
ruby cobalt
If there's no cooldown then damage is irrelevant.
tired haven
I mean if it scales from base dmg it still gives more pluses to slower weapons so I agree
ruby cobalt
60 hits will stack up really hard.
tired haven
60 dps with 1 dmg hits 
ruby cobalt
But then why would you even have it as a feature?
It effectively does nothing.
It's.. just there, I guess. A E S T H E T I C S
quiet abyss
I was thinking either
1.) Make the explosion deal decent damage but has decent cooldown
2.) Make the explosion deal not-so-decent damage but has short cooldown
tired haven
Well we try to figure out the golden
ruby cobalt
Yup.
Watch this.
0.67x weapon's base damage, 30 frame cooldown.
How does that sound?
tired haven
Pretty good I guess
quiet abyss
So the effect would trigger twice per second.
Which is total of 1.34x weapon's base damage per second
Hmm, ye sounds pretty good
tired haven
With average of 10 ticks swords it would be 22% increase which is not too bad neither broken
ashen warren
Which means it’s good?
ruby cobalt
Which means it's pretty good and it's something that true melee would've appreciated.
tired haven
Yup
ashen warren
Ok
tired haven
Though now that I think about it, powerful accessory like that could be split in 2, one gives debuff and explosions and another - damage and iframes
yes I overrate tru mele that much
quiet abyss
I can move this acc a bit further into the progression if It's a bit too powerful.
Like post-golem/post-cultist or smth
ashen warren
It seems good where it is to me, since you have to farm the Abyss and the Plant
night cradle
Nah
I think it's balanced, since you need to hit a boss.
And it's post-Calamitas/post-Plantera so...
wait
It's post-Plantera only 
stupid me
quiet abyss
At first it's either post calamitas or post plantera
But then I deliberately make it require living shards
Cause I imagine a true melee user fight plantera with this acc, and think:
"Wait shit that'll decimate Planty a bit too well"
ruby cobalt
Imagine a true melee user.
quiet abyss
I actually mean CrabBar cause he's the only noticable true melee user I've known lmao
ruby cobalt
He's the only one, lmao
ashen warren
How are my enemies?
quiet abyss
Kinda interesting. Not that much, but they are.
Nice, atleast decently made suggestions
ruby cobalt
Mimic - yes.
Ghost - yes.
Bones - no.
ashen warren
Mk
ruby cobalt
There are like 5 varieties of them already, we don't need any more.
night cradle
Bones kinda remind me of the guard thingy from the Avalon
ashen warren
Ok
night cradle
is slower than every other skeleton and dashes from time to time
quiet abyss
The thing that bothers me about the bones is the "Uncommonly it will suddenly dash at you attempting to inflict great harm"
-> suddenly
(Bone Lee flashbacks)
ashen warren
Oof
ruby cobalt
Jumpscare skeletons.
night cradle
suddenly-
You were slain...
ashen warren
So, how does I change this so that we get a good boi
wanton sun
Maqua took the fucking L.
ruby cobalt
You remove it completely, but that's my opinion (take it with a massive pile of salt).
ashen warren
It has the message stating what these bois are
ruby cobalt
Yeah, so you just move it to the second message?
quiet abyss
Make it teleport like chaos elemental hahaues
I guess you can make it like, be able to dash through blocks and become like a ghost briefly or smth. Make the dash telegraph for a bit so it's not just bullshit "Yo I'm just gonna dash at you now is that k?"
ashen warren
That is honestly better
ruby cobalt
Glowing blue eyes in the sprite 
tired haven
Mhm, can anyone remind me what is in hiveless jungle planetoid
quiet abyss
Water chest inside them
....That's it.
ashen warren
_>?
tired haven
I thought about adding nature's gift in small cube, to lessen mage's torture
nice one btw
ruby cobalt
Gotta, mmmhm, dive into that jungle.
tired haven
tired haven
TrIdEnT
ruby cobalt
Some of them even give you flippers, so you don't get lost and accidently drown in it.
quiet abyss
ashen warren
Who agrees with me that the desert needs more Hardmode content and even some Post ML content ?
night cradle
Maybe it could give something better
Maybe some loot like Shrine have?
quiet abyss
✋
ashen warren
GSS is shit
tired haven
Shrines are rarer so their loot is justified by that, no need to give such powerful things to smth that can be accessed from the start with 100% chance
quiet abyss
GSS is also one of the only suggestions we know that clearly gets into the mod
night cradle
true
quiet abyss
If not the only one
tired haven
ruby cobalt
It got in and it was late by a year or so.
ruby cobalt
Implementation isn't even that bad.
The worst thing is that its content is outdated.
It would've been fine a year ago.
quiet abyss
Ye
ruby cobalt
It exists solely for the purpose of existing, because literally no weapons are applicable at their time since they're 2 tiers behind what you can get at that time.
And the "boss" is just a sand shark, except bigger.
wicked swift
So now we're gonna have to post suggestions to improve him that probably aren't getting in
quiet abyss
Pretty much
ruby cobalt
Gotta give desert some love, and not only pure deserts!
Actually, now that I think about, it's the fucking gayest shit that you can't even get GSS if the entirety of your deserts are corrupt and you don't know about its existence
You're not missing out on anything, but wtf.
wicked swift
speaking of purity, calamity adds literally nothing major that can only be gotten in the hallow
ruby cobalt
Let's move AD to be a hallow/sky boss then.
worthy fiber
there was something planned in #mod-announcements
ruby cobalt
Keyword is was.
wicked swift
Jungle rose isn't guaranteed drop though, unless you want to put it in a chest
tired haven
speaking of purity
speaks about hallow
wicked swift
tired haven
Oh well, still better than nothing
Chest wouldn't make sense tbh
ruby cobalt
Yeah, but hallow is so pure that it's corrupt
wicked swift
ik, I was just referring to the triangle of uhmm... idk what I'm talking about
worthy fiber
actually, I think the forgotten hallow miniboss itself is still somewhere in #sprites_and_art
bitter drift
@tired haven ya but maybe it's too pure to be called the purity biome
worthy fiber
but it isnt 
bitter drift
give evidences
bitter drift
except that one pls
ruby cobalt
Want me to decompile the source code?
And then shove it up your face?
Too bad, I have better things to do.
tired haven
I'd lmao if the suggestion about GSS rework would be second that makes it in development
worthy fiber
bitter drift
not that type of evense show me that it have something to do with the correction
wicked swift
Ankh Charm drop
ashen warren
Lol
wicked swift
Would be kinda pointless since basically all components can be crafted anyway
tired haven
Well ^
ashen warren
Maybe some peeps forgot that QoL recipes exist XD
worthy fiber
huh, turns out the hallow miniboss was a suggestion by valk unless I'm mistaken
wicked swift
I don't even know if you're referring to yourself or people that would farm the GSS for the Charm
huh
ashen warren
What the
wicked swift
Looks better than GSS imo
bitter drift
an old hallow boss
worthy fiber
11/13/2017, it's pretty old
wicked swift
yeah the hair kinda clashes
bitter drift
tbh the halloow need more love
tired haven
Looks kinda like female signut
Is there something wrong with me?
ashen warren
No
bitter drift
in the form of a boss
wicked swift
That weapon next to the hammer looks like a mouth with intimidating teeth
ashen warren
Holy shit it does
bitter drift
do you agree with me
worthy fiber
providence
ashen warren
Provi is also Underworld so its not a true Hallow boss
bitter drift
the hallow is the only biome that doesn't have a deadcated boss
ashen warren
Sadly yes
wicked swift
Forest
ashen warren
And what’s worse is that we arent allowed to suggest bosses
worthy fiber
that's all planned out i suppose
wicked swift
Who cares about forest anyway
bitter drift
ya maybe we need an exception
worthy fiber
I wonder how remaking the old hallow miniboss would go
ashen warren
Forest biome technically houses all the bosses that don’t have designated biomes
worthy fiber
Ravager
ashen warren
Hahaha yes
worthy fiber
Slime King, not sure if Slime God counts
bitter drift
calamitas
worthy fiber
ye
ashen warren
Did you all ignore Bosses that don’t have a designated biome? XD
worthy fiber
tired haven
They were bound to purity for whatever reason
bitter drift
well at least you can say the hallow doesn't have a type of evil that way (without bosses)
not getting that
wanton sun
potent vortex
Why
tired haven
@jaunty crescent
ashen warren
Thank You
potent vortex
Yes fuck the sequel
jaunty crescent
K thanks
tired haven
Why would it even be named like that tbh
potent vortex
Idk
rancid edge
i mean even without the message you’re supposed to specify what you want nerfed
quiet abyss
^
ashen warren
Are you asking why Halibut Cannon is named the way it is?
bitter drift
references
worthy fiber
TotalHalibut aka TotalBiscuit -->
tired haven
Looking at fps drop I can assume amount of bullets
No, fuck the sequel since it is original image name
For whatever reason
Ik about biscuit
worthy fiber
cuz cannon
ashen warren
Should I find things on the wiki and make suggestions to make them better?
Things that need it of course
worthy fiber
sure
ashen warren
See y’all in a bit
worthy fiber
you're bound to find some obscure stuff
ashen warren
Like what
worthy fiber
items that no one uses like the titanium railgun
that thing doesn't even have an adamantite counterpart
ashen warren
Ye
bitter drift
shrewder
ashen warren
Shredder is intentionally the lag fest
quiet abyss
Shredder people actually do use sometimes
Some people just go "Fuck it screw the lag" and use it anyway
Cause shredder's dps is actually quite high
desert juniper
It's actually decent too lol
bitter drift
don't hold it
ashen warren
Wiki time
quiet abyss
Don't hold it?
M8, I hold my attack buttons all the time when using shredder
wanton sun
shredder's dps is higher than onyx chain blaster
quiet abyss
^
wanton sun
and there is the right click
quiet abyss
That in itself is an amazing achievement
bitter drift
i have the worst computer and still have a low amount of lag tbh
quiet abyss
Out damaging onyx chain blaster, and is in the same tier as onyx chain blaster?
Ye, there's a good reason why peopl still use it
wanton sun
just turn off frame skip
ashen warren
One out of two done
bitter drift
It inflicts inflicts Electrified. @ashen warren grammar! (don't mean to be rude)
wanton sun
did you really
bitter drift
yes i didn't
ashen warren
_> auto correct did not yell at me so shhh
ashen warren
Ok shut up cause you are now just sounding like an asshole now
Sorry just that was rude the way you put it
bitter drift
don't worry still it just fixes words
ashen warren
:/
bitter drift
badly
ashen warren
People know what was said cause the misspelling is minor
spice cedar
Adamantite Particle Accelerator
I think it should be able to pierce more than 2, maybe like 5?
ashen warren
I had it at five originally, but when I added the block piercing, I needed to 2
spice cedar
hm, maybe yeah,. Still, it's a good idea either way
wanton sun
its not getting starred because a mod hasnt starred it yet
bitter drift
more jokes by me
worthy fiber
tired haven
Pretty interesting idea though
bitter drift
should i call pinky pie
tired haven
Meh tbh
Also deadless->daedalus
worthy fiber
nah pinky'll find their way here
bitter drift
or is it to low effort/meme suggestion for her
quiet abyss
A nagging feeling tells me I'm needed
Actually I was just pausing from playing hollow knight to check the chats for a bit but shhhh
bitter drift
ya sorry for the game
but you were needed
tired haven
How about making it shoot fewer arrows at once in order
Like first shot goes palladium/cobalt/mythril/orichalcum, then adamantite/titanium... And so on
bitter drift
one after other
tired haven
10+ arrows at once is a bit chaotic
bitter drift
it is just like you said should say it
tired haven
Well there are: hallowed, spectre, shroomite, meld(?), but that's not what bothers me
tired haven
Does it shoot 1 arrow like regular bow or more?
tired haven
Time for 90% ammo reservation
ashen warren
That statement made no sense
bitter drift
here
molten notch
Why do bosses even drop healing potions🤔
ashen warren
So that you can get some more healing shit I guess
digital saddle
ashen warren
_> cause devs went rarted for 20 seconds
ashen warren
The tooltip is informative of what the player is getting the@selves into
alpine garnet
I feel like reveng shouldn't be said as the "regular" in the tooltip as it's honestly not for everyone, especially w/ adrenaline nerfs making it even harder
ruby cobalt
Whoa there, cowboy, saddle down and think about this for a second:
New players struggle with reading.
It's not even understanding, you never reach that point, they can't read it in the first place.
tired haven
this is true sadly
manic current
scal doesnt need more hp lmao
bitter vessel
scal needs an overall buff so it is Scal>Dragon>DoG and not reverse
vague olive
No she dosent wtf
ashen warren
Scal buff will be pointless cause she will be nerfed when Draedon and Yharim are added
bitter vessel
well at the moment fighting her is pretty disappointing, since its way to easy.
5 million hp more wont change it, thats not that much longer for some voltaic climax
slow nova
Scal is strong enough imo, also making a fight longer doesnt really make it harder it just makes you get a cramp in your hand after the first 20 minutes
bitter vessel
right but the fight atm lasts 1 minute and is easy af
dodging those bullet hells isnt that hard and everything else just mels away to dragon equip
melts*
slow nova
wut
cyan lagoon
compared to yharon she's definitely weaker
bitter vessel
okay lets say 3 minutes
cyan lagoon
but she can hold her own ground
slow nova
second tried yharon with true melee, needed over 10 attempts for scal normal melee. Is there something wrong with me? Scal felt seriously harder
ruby cobalt
No, there's nothing wrong with you.
bitter vessel
dunno, i played mage and subsuming vortex and voltaic climax is just was too strong
i was expecting the worst, ready to die a LOT, but i did not die once
ruby cobalt
Go redo it on both Rev and Death.
ashen warren
Wulfrum meme
crude quartz
thorium
gritty crow
🧀
ruby cobalt
Airtanks are your concern?
elder sparrow
lunatic autist ZZZZZZ
ruby cobalt
Let's completely ignore that QJ's expert drop completely fucks the mechanic over without even cheesing it.
elder sparrow
what the
ashen warren
If you have Thorium, then that’s your choice
elder sparrow
scal with basically 1.5x more hp
ashen warren
Calamity isn’t dependent on Thorium
sleek wadi
Yeah I'd prefer this mod to stay out of other mod's business, because last time it didn't we had Scal disabling modded items.
gusty geode
So I've started posting some new enemy concepts, and I can't decide if I should unload them all at once in a doc or post them one at a time so people can star the ones they like
elder sparrow
doc
gusty geode
Also can I get a list of what qualifies as a meme suggestion? I really hate putting genuine thought into an idea and having it instantly get shot down because it's apparently a meme
low hedge
pins in #suggestions-voting
ashen warren
The dispare Stone is Drops it’s loot in Hardmode
Why would it need a Hardmode variant?
gusty geode
Add a little variety, plus the bigger one drops slightly more loot
ashen warren
:/ kinda sounds unnecessary
If you understand where the name comes from, I’ll give you a high five
No guesses?
neon panther
ninjago when
neon panther
i loved that show until like season 3 or so
when technology started taking over and everything
ashen warren
It gets better I promise
ancient dragon
I'm pretty sure Phantoplasm is post-ML now, not post-Prov.
fervent zealot
yeah it is
ashen warren
Oh yeah
fervent zealot
it's barely useful in the post ml region though
night cradle
god damnit
ashen warren
Polterplasm Polterghast Necroplasm Necroghast
ashen warren
Oof
bitter drift
well if that get in to the game we still need a post planterra way to get living shards and a post DoG WAY to get cosmelight bar
without fighting the boss again
dull kite
@gusty geode edit that into your message
gusty geode
Any thoughts?
brave warren
50% damage increase buff available for player O
tired haven
I wish I didn't have to press on messages in search to see amount of stars to quickly check all suggestions
vestal void
??
tired haven
Well, I want reactions to show in search tab, without choosing message
livid coral
That's because Discord mobile is a disgusting meme
ashen warren
better than nothing
fervent zealot
auric armor
is this a meme
gusty geode
No, why do people always think my suggestions are memes 
Should put more effort in tho
alpine garnet
tesla isn't even hard though
gusty geode
4 other sets and large amounts of materials from all across the game, many of which you need to do more grinding to even get to
Why can't we get an endgame armor set that isn't a grindfest
vestal void
just save your stuff lol
polar grove
magic storage
gusty geode
Also, it's a huge middle finger for people going in blind
They couldn't predict something like that and wouldn't think to save their stuff for it
Which I guess applies to every exo-tier weapon as well, I think there should be less-grindy, weaker alternatives
quiet abyss
That’s the thing. Pretty much everyone that didn’t know what they need to have to craft endgame stuffs don’t check when things have “Material” slapped on the tooltips
alpine garnet
even so
it's a few doggo fights, 1/2 polter fights, a bit of mining, and a bit more gathering
none of the stuff takes that long
quiet abyss
Which, imo, nullifies their complains about not knowing things since first playthrough
alpine garnet
yep
if you throw a material away w/o checking what it, that's your problem
especially armor
quiet abyss
Its more like people dont read the tooltips throughly, or didnt read at all
Which is just sad in games like terraria
alpine garnet
in terraria you have to plan ahead and check stuff
throwing away any armor set is bad imo
quiet abyss
I do throw away armor sets, but only if there’s no “material” slapped on it
gusty geode
Still, I think there should be a different armor set that's easier to get but weaker, it fits Calamity's philosophy of "grindier items are stronger"
alpine garnet
if you don't throw stuff away, it's not grindy tho
neon panther
you should pretty much have all of it except psychotic amulet, flying carpet, and frost barrier if you dont throw stuff away
sometimes even that stuff
theres already a weapon called the hive
polar grove
why would you not save your armor anyways :/
neon panther
btw
alpine garnet
carpet is a joke endgame anyway
polar grove
unless its like early pre hardmdoe
alpine garnet
psychotic amulet is one or two zergs prob
only annoying thing is frost barrier if you didn't get from merchant
quiet abyss
“The Hive” is already the name of one of PBG drops @ashen warren
gusty geode
I should add that getting some of those materials requires you to fight several bosses that are supposed to be optional
ashen warren
maybe um "The mother of bees"
gusty geode
From what I've heard fighting SCal without it is suicide
quiet abyss
SCal is pretty much balanced around auric tesla rn
alpine garnet
^
vestal void
with some of the stuff i have its more likely to die from the hitcap in rev than from hp loss
without auric*
gusty geode
When SCal gets nerfed into a normal boss, I hope she starts fighting similar to the first fight like before
I'm all for a change of pace, but boxing you in with precise bullet hell is a bit much
terse rain
honestly I don't want SCal to get nerfed
I want her to be part of a group of superbosses you fight before the final boss
like the envoys of the devourer
but op
gusty geode
Maybe a future-boss version of her that fights like the current one?
terse rain
no, just op calamitas
and a bunch more op bosses
that make you feel physical pain every time you get hit
quiet abyss
No more future bosses afaik
terse rain
no, even better - you lose the boss fight, one of your toes is amputated at random
devs add now
frosty kindle
heady comet
Give me your toes 👅
quiet abyss
Plus I’m sure Fabsol will make bosses from Draedon onwards have difficulty spikes higher than Yharon
terse rain
they're gone, calamity took all of them
frosty kindle
if draedon isnt a puzzle boss i will commit not feeling so good
quiet abyss
Just cause they ain’t superbosses dont mean they cant kick your asses.
sleek wigeon
I dont understand people who dont see the material tag
terse rain
draedon is the boss I'm the most hyped for right now
quiet abyss
^ same
heady comet
Same people who think the guide is useless
sleek wigeon
ha
quiet abyss
sleek wigeon
"guide is bad also how was i supposed to know i needed a bunch of random things for endgame stuff?"
terse rain
imagine this - calamitas's blast that explodes into a giant ring of bullets
frosty kindle
no joke, i never needed the guide in vanilla or even Thorium, but in Calamity i actually have to keep the guide safe 
terse rain
but the ring of bullets spins
sleek wigeon
How bout no
frosty kindle
ring of bullets, each of them split into abyssal skulls (those that move in the wave pattern)
neon panther
just wait a second and RoD into the middle
terse rain
alright, how about this
neon panther
boom you dodged them all
frosty kindle
inb4 lingering
sleek wigeon
and what if she does one right after the other?
terse rain
the ring implodes after a certain point
sleek wigeon
That sounds like bs, if im being honest
frosty kindle
inb4 brothers in SCal fight shoot gigablasts
neon panther
but yeah nohits with that would be ass
terse rain
a spinning nearly undodgable ring of bullets that goes outward and inward sounds like bs?
WHAT?
sleek wigeon
Its like old king in gungeon but you dont have dodge roll and the controls are worse
Sounds terrible
terse rain
and gravity
and old king isn't hard
we need calamitas but all attacks move at 3x speed
sleek wigeon
Citation needed
frosty kindle
SCal except all projectiles travel 90% slower
terse rain
SCal if all projectiles traveled 90% slower would actually be harder
assuming SCal has the same firerate
SCal but sepulcher is yharon and the brothers are adult eildon worms
frosty kindle
that just sounds like ascened chibii but with extra steps
terse rain
SCal but the floor is lava and air is the floor
frosty kindle
hmm yes, the floor here is made out of floor
sleek wigeon
Not like everything and its mom gives lava i9mmunity lategame
terse rain
the floor is suprema cakanutas
sleek wigeon
cacao nuts? delicous!
manic current
Gimme viable bee weapon for yharon
sleek wigeon
No
heady comet
Murderswarmer was already a better concept that was actually sprited smh
sleek wigeon
Murderswarmer> bee weapon
sleek wadi
Give bumblebirb a tiny stinger so I can count it as a bee
gusty geode
Ok, so this is an extremely early-alpha idea, so I'm posting it here
Special events that occur after a certain amount of time has passed; where you are in progression doesn't matter, only the amount of time that's passed on that world
As a poorly thought out example, after, say, 200 days the DoG successfully tracks down and kills Providence, cutting off all bosses and several items related to her and forcing the player to find a new way to summon the Sentinels and progress
fervent zealot
gOd no
gusty geode
Care to elaborate?
fervent zealot
1. it's you suggesting it that would need so much extra work that fab would probably just die before it got finished is my main issue
gusty geode
If anyone on the dev team is willing to touch Overhaul, they could use the same code as that mod did with its seasons
I may need to work on it a bit, but I think it could add a little bit of challenge to the mod, as players have to reach a certain point by a certain time or something bad might happen
Or something good, depending on what it is
fervent zealot
don't get me wrong i love the concept i'm just saying that's absolutely bonkers in terms of realistic time expectations
bitter topaz
that'd be a no from literally anyone on the dev team.
it'd dumb to lock out bosses
and stealing code from overhaul would be unethical
even if mirsario or whatever his name is a cunt
gusty geode
not directly stealing, i mean just looking at what they did and using it in a different way
bitter topaz
and they'd get access to overhaul's source code how exactly?
and even then it's just a simple day counter
gusty geode
I wouldn't know, I don't make mods
Also in that particular example, 200 days is pretty generous, plus beating Provi before that point cancels it
And like I said, there'd be another way to summon the Sentinels and move forward if you're not fast enough
fervent zealot
world alternatives for calamity bosses would be hella sweet
gusty geode
As in like Corruption vs Crimson variants?
SCal in purple would look pretty cool tbh
heady comet
fervent zealot
something more akin to the hm ore variants
like being forced to fight cryogen and being unable to fight destroyer or summat
gusty geode
Would mess with the non-linearity, but maybe one could spawn naturally while the other couldn't?
fervent zealot
i mean if it's considered alts maybe just make it harder to fight one then yeah
gusty geode
Maybe have the difficulties of the Desert and Aquatic Scourges be different from world to world; meaning on some you'd fight the aqua scourge at the start of the game and Desert in HM?
fervent zealot
that actually sounds closer to reasonable yeah
neon panther
...elaborate a tad bit more?
also 150 Damage is nothing post-ml
with the speed of a nade
does it drop from ml? Is it made with luminite and grenades?
fervent zealot
1000 tbh
neon panther
(You don’t really need to add damage, Fab does that anyways)
ivory gull
Could double the amount
neon panther
I mean grenades do like 60 and are available at the very beginning of the game
I’d say 1k
for post-ml
ivory gull
Isn’t that too much damage?
neon panther
no
neon panther
ye same speed
well actually if the grenade has a high velocity it’s too much damage Fab would decide these stats anyways so no point why am I still talking aa
ivory gull
Heh lol
ashen warren
One primary reason I don’t make docs: People tend to not vote docs as high as WoT’s as seen from many docs getting undervotes
signal ibex
bitter drift
@ivory gull already tried
but not the luminite very much the same
my is a big granade not lumenite and that is the only difference between my suggestion and your
@ashen warren and then everyone shouts on you to do docs
that is what happened to me
wanton sun
yet another worm boss
earnest raptor
Son of DoG needs to look separate?
And also: i'm want simular to difficulty way to get Moon ingredients.
wanton sun
another worm boss
tired haven
I already imagine amount of flaming asses from that idea 
wanton sun
so basically jump a lot
because like
no wings
how would a bullet hell work if the maximum vertical distance is 6 tiles?
ruby cobalt
You pray that RNG doesn't fuck you over.
heady comet
Simple. Dont use revengeance until you get wings
wanton sun
10 hits is still too lenient
heady comet
O
tired haven
How about (amount of seconds x 1.5) so no one can die to that
heady comet
Edit: 100 i cant read please help me
ruby cobalt
10 hits is too lenient for the point where you're supposed to use it, right.
Yes, let's make it 1, that sounds fair to me.
wanton sun
also what about the ever so popular terraria speedrunns
quiet abyss
An idea that could work is make the bullet hell static.
As in, always has the same pattern over and over.
But even then...the limit of having no wings.
Plus, you gotta clear out your spawn point for a bit to make it flat and easier to dodge with. And maybe use platforms to help.
But personally? I don't really like the idea.
It sounds like an unnecessary thing, especially considering the amount of people that can play revengenace mode easily but struggles on mostly SCal bullet hells.
wanton sun
heady comet
Wait so the point of the feature is what again
quiet abyss
Plus....that would mean you have to keep creating a character to get the Revengeance item over and over again to retry
tired haven
Uh gameplay lore I suppose
quiet abyss
Which, while don't take that much time, is stupid imo
wanton sun
ruby cobalt
I don't see any other point other than being excessive annoying hassle to deal with.
wanton sun
true
quiet abyss
^
ruby cobalt
If you get fucked by playing rev - you get fucked, deal with it.
tired haven
Well pretty much
ruby cobalt
You brought this shit onto yourself, now suffer through.
heady comet
Damn all we do here is criticize people who dont even respond
wanton sun
death mode consumable
bitter vessel
kay it sucks then, never mind me
quiet abyss
@bitter vessel You gotta consider things first before you make suggestions, like.
Would my suggestion be good?
Would people like it?
Why would they like it?
Why is the suggestion made in the first place?
bitter vessel
i thought of it as a thematic enterance to rev mode.
but it seems like nobody wants that, so no need for it
heady comet
This is like a mappygaming 1 tick kill where you stack the harpoons except the harpoons are criticisms and the boss is a suggestion
tired haven
Don't take it personally, it's just an idea which didn't fit. Just a heads up
quiet abyss
^ When making suggestions, you can't just think "I like it so maybe others will like it too"
You gotta think about why would people like/dislike your suggestion too
Don't take it personally
ruby cobalt
I'd still consider it a meme, but to a lesser extent.
quiet abyss
Ya know, a lot of people got driven away from #suggestions-voting cause they got bombarded by people pointing out flaws and such in their suggestions and taking it personally
heady comet
quiet abyss
And I'm not sure if that's a good thing
bitter vessel
hey i am not taking it personally
heady comet
This is obviously referring to the mappygaming 1 tick kill analogy i made
tired haven
It is probably good, because these suggestions never get in anyway
Less pain to carry
wanton sun
quiet abyss
...Accurate, and actually somewhat fitting.
Since the pins in this channel do tell useful stuffs about making suggestions
ruby cobalt
Not so accurate, pins should be above
tired haven
^
quiet abyss
...What was I gonna do today again-
Oh right, make a suggestion.
Brb
tired haven
be me
see some holes in gear
suggest something to fit them
get averagely normal idea
people do not say anything on it
why would they if this is averagely normal idea
suggestion barely gets 0.5-1x of star requirement
won't get implemented either way
tired haven
Well go ahead
bitter drift
you shouldn't name it like that if someone want to make a soul seeker summon
quiet abyss
Eh, if people want soul seeker summon they can jsut name it "Soul Seeker Wand" or some other cool names relating to souls/calamity
You don't have to call every summon weapon "X staff"
Case in point: Ancient Ice Chunk, Entropy's Vigil
bitter drift
it is the most used
ashen warren
I’m in the process of making g a suggestion that is a different take on things, I think
And it has artsy thingy
bitter drift
so is there a problem with nightmare fuel and endothermic energy
little jolt
I mean you're being swarmed by like fifty pumpkings/ice queens and they're gonna despawn a lot
quiet abyss
Not really, but trashbox wants the minions of the moon events to have a chance to drop them cause otherwise they're just rebundant in post-DoG events.
little jolt
so I don't see why that's a bad idea
bitter drift
like the getting of it do a lot complain about that or just another suggestion
and no one except me thought to give an easier way to get cosmelight bars
earnest raptor
Pikes and halberds broked in holywars about Cosmilite Bars...
bitter drift
then fighting DoG AGAIN AND AGAIN AND FUCKING AGAIN
that why pre yharon is the worst part of the mod
after that is living shards
bitter drift
so there are two more is any of them got in
quiet abyss
The bottom one
And this suggestion is about new enemies in the same group with similar concepts, not multiple enmies that are different in concept, so having them all in one post is alright
earnest raptor
Vanadium Ore
Post-DoG
Generates in cavern in counts like gold/platinum. Look like Aeralite with God Slayer-like color scheme, can be mined only by i'm not creative with picks names, but it's pick made from bloodflare cores.
Also my suggestion about making cosmilite.
@bitter drift who you catches, write adequate suggestion about shards! 
bitter drift
ashen warren
How many people do what I just did
quiet abyss
...Interesting way of suggesting stuffs but uhhhh
Dem handwritings
quiet abyss
imo just save a picture of a weapon concept
ashen warren
Okek
quiet abyss
Then send the picture with the suggestion in text form
ashen warren
Lol should’ve just done that
quiet abyss
Copy the suggestion.
Post the picture, then paste the suggestion into the "Add comment" section
ashen warren
Welp, sorry about the picture
quiet abyss
Eh, it's not too big
cyan lagoon
Doublepost
ashen warren
I deleted the first one cause I forgot the picture
Again sorry
FUCK I FORGOT THE DAMN RECIPE
🤦
quiet abyss
Just edit
ashen warren
Recipe added
Wow I’m so fidgety that I’m rushing things
Is the suggestion good nonetheless?
quiet abyss
Good, but 2 things:
1.) Voidstone, not Voidestone, just a minor spelling error.
2.) A little bit excessive on the lumenyls and ectoplasms, imo.
Make it takes 25 lumenyl at most, and 15 ectoplasms at most.
ashen warren
Mk
I made the ectoplasm that much because at the point you can get it you’re set to gather it effectively
quiet abyss
Mhm, ye I guess.
I just tend to try to not inflate the recipe with too much farming
ashen warren
Yeah
I lowered it anyways so it’s cheaper
Are you proud of me for studying new words like you did on that one suggestion you did?
quiet abyss
"Fires a tiny Reaper Shark at your foes, freezing them in place"
Oh good, now I can finally kill an overpowered chicken with mini swole boi
ashen warren
Noice
I’m probably an going to make a counterpart to it using heat related shit
And Nightmare Fuel
ashen warren
I like the sound of more Flail Weapons
I wonder what is a good opposite to Void shit
Brimstone Slags
Since we can collect blocks I’m not to worried about blocks needed in recipes
bitter drift
eemm i guess PossessedByDerpy is in a game
bitter drift
twoots pinky pie isn't here she is playing a game so she won't star the suggestions now
bitter drift
is he a boy?
ruby cobalt
Afaik he is a guy.
bitter drift
PossessedByDerpy this is the one i'm talking about
ruby cobalt
Yes, that's the man in question.
bitter drift
how will you get your trap
quasi fable
hmm?
ashen warren
I’m happy with my concepts
ashen warren
Lots of Slime suggestions suddenly
ashen warren
It’s Noice
spice cedar
Slimes>Everything else
ashen warren
Calamity Favorites:
Worms
Bees
Slimes
bitter drift
@ashen warren wow how unlucky can i get this is the 3th time that he is playing a game while i post a suggestion
ashen warren
Oof
bitter drift
when you can only make the helm for the terragon armor
ashen warren
:()
bitter drift
yap my 5th time fighting prov i won that what makes me to type the suggestion
ashen warren
Not my finest suggestion but ok nonetheless
lament turret
Oh yeah, so I just realized something super weird about the Astral set
And this only adds to my argument
It increases Crit chance by a lot. And the set bonus procs on critical hits
And yet it adds minion slots, who can't crit.
So perhaps remove the minion damage nerf from the Astral set especially, just so that it's a bit more useful.
heady comet
Add an accessory that lets minions crit
tired haven
I suggested one that transforms regular crit in summon dmg, is that sufficient?
it didn't get stars obv
lament turret
That sounds interesting, but still doesn't proc Astral set bonus
Which is part of what I like about crit builds in any game
When they have some sort of different ability to them, rather than just "deal more damage"
like ignore defense
delicate raft
Haha no LORDE
frosty kindle
is that a meme suggestion i see
heady comet
what
ashen warren
yep
delicate raft
A "serious" lorde
hybrid cipher
@lament turret warn removed
hybrid cipher
you were warned by @frosty kindle because your suggestion had the worde lorde in it
lament turret
It'd be an interesting mechanic
hybrid cipher
i removed it because he's incompetent 
frosty kindle
actually Tob did the warn
ashen warren
wow
hybrid cipher
nerd
frosty kindle
no us
crude quartz
poor Tony
ashen warren
but yeah i did it, sorry
frosty kindle
Tony
lament turret
Ugh. Can post my suggestion again, then?
heady comet
lament turret
It was an actual suggestion and not a meme. It'd be an interesting mechanic
crude quartz
nnnnnnnot really? moreso just dumb and bullshit
delicate raft
No lorde stuff
tired haven
frosty kindle
see, the suggestion was ok, just try not to mention LORDE too much into play but the "mage boss" idea was ok
cyan lagoon
i don't think SC will get that kind of anticheese at that point
since she's being repurposed in the future
lament turret
It wasn't for bullet-hell SCal
It was for flavor
Since SCal was supposedly a really gifted mage
In traditional fantasy, it makes sense for a really good mage to be good at counterspelling
neon panther
the bars are called chaotic bars, not ataxia bars, btw
but thats a neato suggestion
wait why is everyone suddenly putting a lot of effort into suggestions and making sprites for them
dusk quiver
They might want to buff Desert Scourge, me and my friend beat it in about 30 seconds only using slime mounts to bounce on top of it
heady comet
What difficulty
frosty kindle
yo Tinymanx, that is great!
heady comet
wholesome
frosty kindle
legit would want it tbh
dusk quiver
Normal
heady comet
Elemental eruption is already god on doggo because of the tarragon stacking bug and the fact it ignores iframes but sure
Lol nice normal mumtiplayer meme
quiet abyss
Don’t suggest to buff bosses if you hadn’t fought them in rev or death
Normal and expert difficulties don’t really do the boss justice when it comes to judging their difficulty
quiet abyss
^
indigo mango
thanks fishbun
neon panther
literally no way of getting ammunition until luminite bullets yeah no thanks
gusty geode
Use bows?
neon panther
what if im a gunslinger though
frosty kindle
solution: make crafting recipe for musket balls, or make them drop commonly from pots IF you have a ranged weapon
alpine garnet
oh boi not using guns until post ML is so fun
you can get a bit of ammo, breaking hearts
only a few hundred tho
frosty kindle
true, but there needs to be an easier way to get musket balls
alpine garnet
ye
gusty geode
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't Musket Balls occasionally come out of pots if you have a gun on you
neon panther
and if you're a rocket launcher guy, good luck cuz ya need to farm plantera for rockets
frosty kindle
and also you can only get Rocket 1's at most
how about just make NPC item buy prices exponentially higher or something
gusty geode
Was thinking of having no NPCs except the Guide spawn, but then people would rage because that means no reforging, so I made it a little easier
alpine garnet
no spell tomes, no crystal ball, grinding mana pots
neon panther
wizard can be found
gusty geode
^
neon panther
actually i had a launcher document from a while back that i posted at a bad time
alpine garnet
you're gonna be doing a lot of caving just for a goblin tbh
neon panther
im gonna repost it to see if it does good this time
gusty geode
Ye, the point of the challenge is to force you to adapt to somewhat limited resources
brazen yarrow
How to make yourself make 10 of the same accesories just to get a warding one
gusty geode
I'll rephrase that
It forces you to work with what you have; it indirectly punishes you for going out of your way to get something you rely on
brazen yarrow
and also how to make yourself actually make wings instead of getting leaf wings.
gusty geode
See? The easy way out isn't an option anymore
neon panther
i never use leaf wings
i just kill cryogen
also farming bosses would be a pain
because you cant buy the summoning items
gusty geode
That's what this challenge is meant to be: a pain.
You have all these easy ways to get what you want, and this challenge removes a good portion of them and forces you to really work for it if you want something in particular
And if you're lazy, you're forced to use the less powerful gear, which likely means trying some weapons for the first time
I mean, be honest now, did any rangers out there EVER use a weapon besides the Mini-shark?
gusty geode
See, then it's not even a big deal
neon panther
opal striker needs the flintlock pistol which is bought from the arms dealer, pumpler requires pumpkins, and pumpkin seeds are bought from dryad
it overall just seems much more painful than fun imo, while the current calamity challenges have a good balance of both
fervent zealot
iron heart
fun
gusty geode
Also, you may have to either use Overhaul or play around Halloween but Pumpkins can grow on their own
neon panther
it also needs illegal gun parts
last thing, if the guide dies at any point during pre-hm, its all over, and you do manage to keep him alive, you still only get 1 attempt at the WoF so if you die on it, run over aswell
gusty geode
Either way, even if this isn't the way to do it, I'm trying to create a challenge more complex than making bosses more and more overpowered, and this accomplishes that
uneven spoke
posting the flame thrower I see @indigo mango
indigo mango
yeee
manic current
Tis a very good flamethrower
ashen warren
A suggestion for astral armor to do something special to summons would be better imo
2% crit chance is worthless
cyan lagoon
well before that post got deleted
that's extremely vague
fabsol mount can fit that purpose
ashen warren
What was the suggestion?
cyan lagoon
something about wanting a fast mount
ashen warren
brimrose, bean, and fabsol
BEAN MAN. BEAN DO T H E B EA N IS HER E
Honestly it's an underappreciated mount
ashen warren
Bean mount is amazing for dragon boi
Also that suggestion that dead meme made is actually really cool
gusty geode
Thank
proven tide
Although the time values should be extended significantly
A LOT of people like playing sandboxes slowly and methodically
sleek wadi
The idea could use some expansion, but it is a neat idea.
ashen warren
What did you guys think of my idea with the slime?
heady comet
Bloodtide got 35 stars
sleek wadi
I would like to see the other gels turned into ammo first but just more ammo variants for flamethrowers would be nice.
heady comet
@bitter topaz we celebrate at this unholy hour
tired haven
Where?
neon panther
woah that time idea is really neato
also maybe slime god could after a certain point begin to get slowly buffed, signaling its gathering power from all the existing slimes @gusty geode
also according to discord I absorbed your profile picture
frosty kindle
Consume
earnest raptor
Pauper Mode too hard?
wicked swift
what do you mean with bosses having 100% hp?
earnest raptor
I'm will reduce bosses hp, because ruined char don't have much weapons.
But reject these part.
wicked swift
I don't really see the point...
faint needle
maybe because its speed is a fucking lie
hollow shell
... what?
tired haven
Mhm, it shoots twice as slow as it is supposed to iirc