suggestions-discussion

[neon panther]

Catch him and feed him sunken stew and have him betray yharim when

[proven tide]

I think with this suggestion, the issue is that fire and storm don't make ice, ice and fire don't make storm, and storm and ice don't make fire. Unlike the Lunar Fragments, where it's never quite explained what they are or how they make the other materials, the Essences are simply pure elemental energy.

[ancient dragon]

It's also... kinda unnecessary? Essences aren't really themed like the lunar fragments and are also not hard to farm for.

Also an objective issue you admitted to is not looking up whether your suggestion has been made by someone else before.
The search bar exists. Use it.

[thorn canyon]

how would i use it

to search for a specific word?

i've got from, mentions, has, before during after, and in

i didnt know it was an option to search specific words

[ancient dragon]

You can search for words, that being one of its main features.

[thorn canyon]

oh i dont have to put a thing just search the word

cool learn something every day

also there's not a mention of essence switching in the last few weeks

i just think that there's super easy ways to get essences of Cinder/Chaos but not that much for eleum

[ancient dragon]

Underground Ice or blizzards through the Torrential Tear. Also Shockstorm Shuttles.

[wheat zenith]

I have heard people mention the huge tooltips in this mod before, would adding an option to close/expand them make sense?
a 'hold {key} for more info' type thingo like in MC mods

pretty boring suggestion I know
edit: that mostly comes from the tMod server I should mention, though I implemented a similar thing in my own mod

[bitter topaz]

no-one would have a problem with that afaik

[ancient dragon]

It's a pretty good suggestion. Fargo would also benefit from it greatly.

[bitter topaz]

wouldn't harm anything, and it's prolly around 2-3 lines of code

also yeah fargo would love that

[hearty yew]

"hold auto select for more info"

or "toggle smart cursor for more info"

[wheat zenith]

^sounds good to me
and ayy, expected it to be shot down since I tend to focus on minor details

[ancient dragon]

Pfft, nah. QoL like that is appreciated.

[wheat zenith]

cool and great

calamity doesn't use a config file by chance does it?

[proven tide]

Nope

[wheat zenith]

alright, thats about as far as that ideas going then
I'll repost (minus the drivel) in #suggestions-voting assuming I'm understanding the process correctly

[teal wolf]

if I want to learn how to code so as I could help when developement starts back up again, what language does this use?

[ruby cobalt]

C# iirc.

[devout seal]

It's C#

[teal wolf]

hoo boy time to try to find somewhere to learn it for free

khan academy have it?

[ancient dragon]

There's a tMod beginner's guide in Blushiemagic's github, with links to more thorough, Terraria-specific coding guides in it.
Also, this isn't the correct place to ask.

[teal wolf]

Im probably just going to ask my programmer friends if they know where I can

[ancient dragon]

...I just gave you what is likely the best place to start learning.

[teal wolf]

I mean also if they have experience, why not ask?

[ancient dragon]

Sure. Either way, move along now.

[wheat zenith]

#other-mod-talk should work, I think anyways
if you ask there and I'm on, I can help ya

[thorn canyon]

i like big b one

[vague olive]

@quasi fable remove the emojis

[quasi fable]

Why?

[bitter topaz]

imo atleast, it makes stuff look bad and quite unprofessional

[vague olive]

People might see it as a meme suggestion

[bitter topaz]

nah, it's hard to see it as that

emojis just make shit look tacky

there's a reason they're hated, since they're borderline emotionless

there's no reason for them existing besides "oh look at this face"

if there were just a few of them then they'd be fine

but what kind of emotion is 🥚 going to convay?

[quiet abyss]

@quasi fable Uh, ye, what others said. Remove the emoji please

[quasi fable]

😤😤😤

[quiet abyss]

Please

[quasi fable]

Emoji haters

[quiet abyss]

Its not that we hate emojis

[ashen warren]

Emojis are for toddlers who can't express themselves with words

[quiet abyss]

But emojis make your suggestion look unprofessional and others may not take it seriously

[quasi fable]

@ashen warren im 19

Checkmate

[quiet abyss]

I’m not asking you to remove them cause I dont like it

I’m asking you to remove the emojis for ya sake

[ashen warren]

Professional means you get paid

[quiet abyss]

I know how much you like emojis but there’s time and place for them, and emojis arent suited for suggestions

[ancient dragon]

That's a pretty good way of tossing an entire group of people under the bus for one shared thing they do.

GG, Dyne.

[quiet abyss]

I agree with Alexis on this one. Not liking emojis are one thing, but calling people who use them toddlers that can’t express their emotions with words? You’re basically insulting pretty much everyone in this server, staff members included. Even Fabsol is included

[wanton sun]

🤔

[quasi fable]

Why doest levis song override sirens

It dhould

[bitter topaz]

but, it does.

you'll literally never her Siren's War Cry in death because of it

[ancient dragon]

It does.

[bitter topaz]

i wasn't even aware War Cry was a piece that existed until dokuro uploaded the "complete soundtrack: so far" video

[quiet abyss]

Music priority iirc. Some themes have the same priority, and whichever theme plays first overrides every other themes with the same or lower priority.

[quasi fable]

Obviously levi only comes after siren has been active for a while

[quiet abyss]

And since siren’s war cry is playing up to that point, forbidden lullaby gets overrided since siren’s war cry plays first

[bitter topaz]

no, lullaby should override war cry iirc

since levi spawned after, or did i mis-remember how music priority works?

since iirc the most recent enemy/boss to envoke a music change will take priority

[quiet abyss]

It should yes, but the music priority is messed up. For all we know all calamity themes have the same music priority. That or Fabsol did make forbidden lullaby higher priority but it didnt work for some reason

My guess would be that there’s a limit to the music priority, assuming the values are stored as integers like 0 to 9

[quasi fable]

Leviathans song is so much more satisfying

[quiet abyss]

Agreed

[quasi fable]

Especially the start

The repeaded crash cymbals

[quiet abyss]

The metal/electric guitar and flute combo is very pleasing to my ears

[quasi fable]

The first and the last parts are my fqvourite

And well the crecendo

[quiet abyss]

Same

[ancient dragon]

Heeey, kinda off-topic.

[quiet abyss]

Ye, we’ll be stopping now

[tired haven]

Uhhh isn't ravager defiled DR 80% tho

Butcher damage (2x of max hp) deals 40% to his body

40/200 = 1/5 = 20% damage = 80% dr

[bitter topaz]

should be 90%

since defiled is 1.5 multiplier

since iirc it's 60*1.5

and unless i've been misled on the basics of math that should equal 90

[quiet abyss]

https://gyazo.com/8ccb0c8a1582fc9bda923c9bc9068c34

Ye, Ravager body has 60% DR

[proven tide]

<compression is AAAAA>

[quiet abyss]

So it's 90% DR with defiled. You're correct

[tired haven]

i fucking hate that piece of shit called defiled rune for obnoxious and closed interactions with enemy stats
Defiled still works as compensation halver of damage tho?

Not as 1.5x dr

[bitter topaz]

no, it should be a 1.5 multiplier for existing DR

and iirc it applies 50% to stuff lacking it

[tired haven]

_< why would it make targets with 0 dr more sturdy than 1-30%

[bitter topaz]

i'm not sure, iirc it's +50% to 0% DR targets but i'm not entirely sure

[tired haven]

Not even talking about that various tests of mine insist on it being halved dmg rather than 1.5x dr

[bitter topaz]

i know 0% DR enemies are granted DR for a fact

i wasn't actually aware of your testing

[tired haven]

well because I didn't share it publically

Guess I'd have to

[bitter topaz]

i'd ping rover but i'm not 100% sure he's online currently

he's set as idle so i'm unsure if he's just unavailable or just left his comp/phone on by accident

[neon panther]

@hollow shell your people need you

[hollow shell]

whar

[bitter topaz]

oh you're here

quick question

is defiled as 1.5 multiplier or does it just halve damage via a function like globalNPC?

[hollow shell]

page says this

sorry, I don't have access to the source right now

[bitter topaz]

ah ok, check later when you can

reason i'm asking is due to an oddity with ravager and a suggestion to fix said oddity if it it's the case

[ashen warren]

@P.O. ssessedByDerpy#3263 save yourself

[quiet abyss]

Alright, time to think of ideas for suggestions I guess. Hmm...
What do you think of an upgrade to both spider and queen spider staff?

[ashen warren]

I like it

I’m thinking Polter stage

[quiet abyss]

I'm trying to think of a stage where summoner struggles, or need more options.

[ashen warren]

Wiki time

[worthy fiber]

moon lord

ish

not as true anymore but still

[quiet abyss]

Ah ye, ML

[worthy fiber]

personally I think the desert scourge fight is too mundane atm

[ashen warren]

Pre Providence has three weapons afaik

[quiet abyss]

Or post ml? Ele axes are good but it's pretty much the only weapon for summoner post ml other than energy staff

[worthy fiber]

energy staff isn't really that useful imo

[ashen warren]

Lol

Hmm

[worthy fiber]

I just use the moon lord sentries

[ashen warren]

Providence doesn’t drop a summoner Weapon does she

[quiet abyss]

No she doesn't

[worthy fiber]

nope

[ashen warren]

We can start there then

[quiet abyss]

True...

Hmm...brb in a bit. Gonna go work on my idea.

[ashen warren]

Kek

[worthy fiber]

aight

[ashen warren]

I’m thinking of a pee Doggo stage

seriously autocorrect

Young Sentinels of the Devourer

I just realized Calamity’s weapons aren’t all that special

Few have an effect that makes them worth getting and others are basically the same as Vanilla weapons

How to defeat Desert Scourge

1: Build a rope into the air

Wrong channel

2: Summon anything

And summoner has very few weapons throughout the entire game

not even a post SCal one

[worthy fiber]

we 👏 need 👏 sentries

[ashen warren]

And unique summons

[worthy fiber]

I have an idea for a victide sentry but I haven't fleshed it out yet

[ashen warren]

Then do so my friend

Wait

Nvm

Would be an improvement if you were above it for long enough it would just burrow underground and start getting a speed boost

Not sure how difficult it would be to revamp a boss entirely

Or add new attacks

New attacks are easy, revamps depend entirely on what you're doing

Yes

Nice fun fact

[quiet abyss]

When you take "Quality over Quantity" so seriously you actually legit do research on real life things to try to make high quality suggestions

[ashen warren]

Nice

[quiet abyss]

If it somehow got in and the devs use the first hard-as-fuck-to-pronounce-and-remember name I'm going to laugh

[ashen warren]

I’m happy with what I made

[tired haven]

I'm happy with what you made as well

[quiet abyss]

Same

[ashen warren]

Thankyou

[tired haven]

Honestly, the scaling damage on amount of minions should be a mechanic for summoner as whole

[ashen warren]

Si

[tired haven]

Especially considering summoners miss on crit which makes power level grow too slowly

[polar grove]

so basically like the legendary weapons from joost?

[ashen warren]

the Old Legendary s

[polar grove]

yea

[quiet abyss]

Ghost spider empress specifically deals more damage depending on the amount of ghost spider summons though, not minion slot

[polar grove]

that sounds like the spider summon for the witch doctor from diablo 3 xD

[tired haven]

Well, I said minions, not slots, should've specified that a lil more

[ashen warren]

Oof

[polar grove]

question

how powerful is the god slayer inferno debuff?

like how much damage does it do at DoG level

[ashen warren]

40 hp per second

[polar grove]

dang man

[quiet abyss]

30 health per second, or 250 health if the debuff is inflicted to an enemy instead.

[tired haven]

Wasn't it 30?

Ye

[ashen warren]

Wiki said 40 so I thought so

[polar grove]

i was thinking about making a suggestion for a bullet with a severely nerfed god slayer inferno effect

[quiet abyss]

https://gyazo.com/6cdcd6034ea5445d47cb5e6605c1ad82

[ashen warren]

That would be cool

[quiet abyss]

[tired haven]

So uh frostburn?

[ashen warren]

[quiet abyss]

Well, while the mechanic you suggested is interesting, Crabbar, it would be quite hard to balance.
Especially on summons that deal very high damage in large numbers like calamari

[ashen warren]

Well frostburn because I didn’t want to make a new debuff

[polar grove]

maybe make it so only beginning level summoner items scale up

and endgame ones stay like they are

[ashen warren]

That would be cool

[tired haven]

4 to 10 minions scaling, 1.02x or so modifier per minion
4 so you cant trigger it without summoning gear much and 10 to prevent endgame madness
?

(Though spiders still fit in that but eh)

Whatever, I didn't plan on expanding that idea too much

Just a "this would be cool probably"

[quiet abyss]

Hmm...well, one way is to make it only affects piercing minions.
Since minions that can't pierce (only hits one thing at a time) rack up damage very quickly in large numbers.

[tired haven]

Yep

[quiet abyss]

@polar grove That

is very underpowered

Holy FIre Bullets, which are available post-ml way earlier, is much better by miles

[tired haven]

Or scaling is severely crippled for single target summons
Not like there is something apart from ufos and calamaris iirc

[ashen warren]

15 damage per second is almost literally nothing in calamity, especially post-dog

[tired haven]

And pygmies

[ashen warren]

WoT warning

[dull kite]

sniped

[ashen warren]

Do mind the Demonshade armor inflicts a debuff that does 2500/tick

[quiet abyss]

[ashen warren]

Yes

Meaning your lightest touch could obliterate most vanilla bosses

[quiet abyss]

Eh you sniped me twice Evan so you win /shrug

[ashen warren]

And the Soma Prime

[tired haven]

Also do mind demonshade is trash

[ashen warren]

Yes

[calm loom]

Isn’t demonshade the endgame Armour?

[neon panther]

yep

[ashen warren]

Auric Tesla is better though

[calm loom]

Huh

Definitely

[quiet abyss]

@dull kite https://gyazo.com/30120b96b72fdd1f0f5c3cfc12e6706b

[bitter drift]

eeemmmm meme?

or something alse

[dull kite]

wtf

[calm loom]

Yeah

Filthy memers

[dull kite]

um

[ashen warren]

How long does the dot from Demonshade last again?

[quiet abyss]

@chrome holly You can't escape my eyesight

[chrome holly]

sorry

[calm loom]

Ban

[chrome holly]

I pressed enter by accident

[bitter drift]

i saw that too

[tired haven]

3 seconds?

[calm loom]

Bullshit mate

[dull kite]

im gonna be nice and say
@chrome holly don't do that, im sure you know not to

[calm loom]

I call it

[dull kite]

no actual warn

[bitter drift]

@chrome holly what you wanted to wright
ahdhl;ajdoa;jdhaigdiakgduijduadiohvklahfuia

[dull kite]

Now get back on topic. fools.

[neon panther]

flood tbh

[quiet abyss]

@chrome holly Just don't do it again, okay?

[calm loom]

Ok

[bitter drift]

ok

agreed

[calm loom]

Back to suggestions

Yay

Is mine any good?

[quiet abyss]

Mhm

[chrome holly]

Told you, accident, I know very well I musntn't flood, I was just writing random gibberish and I accidentally pressed enter

[calm loom]

Back on topic

[chrome holly]

anyway

[calm loom]

Just don’t do it

Simple

[quiet abyss]

Just try to not do that again, tower

[calm loom]

Back to suggestions

[bitter drift]

i think CV is hard enough

[quiet abyss]

...Uh what?

[bitter drift]

back on suggestions

[calm loom]

Cv is not hard!

[quiet abyss]

CV is literally a cakewalk

[calm loom]

Exactly!

[quiet abyss]

Unless you're fighting him in small space

[bitter drift]

well when you arena is the hole dungeon

[calm loom]

Also deathmode is supposed to be hard anyways

[quiet abyss]

Anyways, brb in a bit. You guys go ahead and discuss about this.

[calm loom]

Ok

[neon panther]

i suggested a while back that he oneshots you if you touch the void itself :p

[calm loom]

Cool

[bitter drift]

is it

[calm loom]

Maybe I should thought if that

[bitter drift]

i think of getting god slayer inferno when that happens

[neon panther]

anyways imma go do more wiki editting shit

[ashen warren]

Sweet

[calm loom]

Later m8

[bitter drift]

i think brb

[calm loom]

Bye

[chrome holly]

So, well, since I'm there, I could as well try to post something: there's a reccuring idea for more complex PML boss death animation, here's my take: The PGs slowly extinguish, same for Prov but she blows into rock chunks when extinguished, the CV collapses into a vortex that lingers for a few seconds, SW... I don't know..., Signus disappears, except for his cape that slowly floats downwards, DoG freezes in place, then one by one his segments are destroyed, starting from the tail, and with a big explosion at the head, and Yharon falls to the ground and slowly closes his eyes.

[bitter drift]

@chrome holly suggestion are in #suggestions-voting
here you talk about them
do not post meme suggwstions

[chrome holly]

That's not a meme?

[calm loom]

Yharon one is a little far fetched

[chrome holly]

And I wanted to... well... discuss it.

[calm loom]

And no

[bitter drift]

i know

[calm loom]

Memes are blaintently stupid or known suggestions

Just copy and paste

What you already said

Ya post it first, because you can edit it anyways

[chrome holly]

ok

[calm loom]

Also you avoid trouble or

Other things

[bitter drift]

if we are allready talking about known suggestions
idk why this haven't changed yet but
the heart of the elementas shouldn't have 2 sand waifus
not suggesting it again just saying

[ruby cobalt]

No, it should.

Rare and normal waifus are different.

[bitter drift]

sorry it's just my OCD drives me crazy

[calm loom]

Huh

Well

[bitter drift]

and it isn't like they have no other options

[calm loom]

Where’s towertors suggestions on death animations?

I thought he’d post it by now

[bitter drift]

got posted allready

[calm loom]

Oh, how far back?

[bitter drift]

idk just know he posted it

[calm loom]

Wow

Irritatingbeatle very detailed and nice suggestions

[bitter drift]

agreed but sometimes really long ones

and I'm not telling bad things i have this problem a lot more than him

[calm loom]

If only he could get some one to sprite it for him

[ashen warren]

Better to discuss a suggestion before posting it

[calm loom]

Like some other suggestions

Ok

Noted

[dull kite]

@bitter drift expand on that suggestion

[calm loom]

Could very well be fleshed out to a full on weapon

High risk high reward type weapon

[tired haven]

I'd prefer it to be some glasscannon rifle but eh

It's boomerang that deals dmg if you fail

[calm loom]

Yay

Maybe it could be a zelda reference? Possibly? Hopefully?

Meh

[elder sparrow]

mourningstar literally so weak i thought it was a pre prov weapon

[quiet abyss]

My thoughts exactly

[opal barn]

Inb4 Mourningstar becomes the next weapon banned from no hits

[quiet abyss]

I would actually be happy, since it means that it's so brokenly op that it can't be use for nohits and people will finally atleast use it more

[quasi fable]

HaliBUTT cannon

[bitter drift]

I'm back

i just got a thought
did anyone thought of other types of wooden boomerang

[ashen warren]

The game isn't really lacking in boomerangs

[ruby cobalt]

Melee however does lack good weapons.

Especially post-ML.

And true melee is just a pain.

[ashen warren]

Keep in mind things like paladin hammer also count as boomerangs

[ruby cobalt]

^

And there's at least 3 different versions of them.

[digital saddle]

True melee is just kinda not suited for this game

The only way to make it good is to make it absolutely delete everything

And facetanking bosses isnt particularly skillful

[ruby cobalt]

🧀 Striker + Super Dummies strat exists for Yharon.

You could try to pull something like weaponout does with fists, but it's still ech.

[ashen warren]

<_< Megashark is used in Megalodon recipe

[ruby cobalt]

Ye, but what's the problem of using it in 2 different recipes?

I like the "subtle" reference to EtG though

[ashen warren]

Well, almost all of Calamity’s Weapon recipes don’t have a weapon in two recipes

[ruby cobalt]

Nothing's bad about a small change?

Having different paths for weapons could be a nice little addition.

[ashen warren]

True

[tired haven]

I smell EtG reference and tru meme
Not sure what I want to discuss more

[frail wigeon]

woa

exo-cosmolite complex sounds COOL

[teal wolf]

Id prefer face melter to crown imo

[frail wigeon]

'edalion'

why do people spell everything wrong even if its spelt correctly in-game

[ruby cobalt]

oodahlihoehnh.

[teal wolf]

some eidolon armor would be neat

[lucid marsh]

Eidolon upgrade to victide armor would indeed be cool

[teal wolf]

would parts drop from adult eidolons or how would that work

[bitter drift]

can i post a suggestion on the luminate problem

if it hasn't been taken

[night cradle]

*Luminite
Also, Luminite problem?

[bitter drift]

yes you don't want to kill the moon lord 5 time after you just beaten him

[calm loom]

No one does

Hell

You can’t even get a full set of Armour on one kill

So ya have to kill the bastard a second time, using the same armor used the first time

[heady rain]

i've already suggested a luminite meteor lol

[bitter drift]

so mine is a bit different

[bitter drift]

i will like an opinion pls

[calm loom]

Meh

Luminite farming sounds delightful

But I’m not so sure about the new enemies

Hmm

[hollow shell]

@gusty geode ... you're pushin right on that edge

[gusty geode]

iirc changes to existing bosses are allowed

[vital grotto]

actually

for once i think that might be a cool idea

all the other "blood" or "brimstone" themed bosses get buffed and drop brimstone post-Providence

well actually nevermind

mostly brimstone

and either way they only get buffed in stats, but not any new attacks

not the "true souls" though

just WoF getting buffed and doing stuff like shooting calamitas's lasers and breathing out a brimstone flamethrower

[gusty geode]

It needs some kind of incentive to actually fight it, and taking on a vanilla boss to get what you need to make vanilla weapons viable for SCal just feels right
Also I picked WoF because the original spirits that the normal souls came from were inside WoF at one point, so it makes sense lorewise

[calm loom]

Huh

It’s a good idea

Vanilla bosses should get some buffs too

[gusty geode]

I like it, space needs more content now that we have Planetoids

[spice cedar]

They've expanded the sky limit, so it's not like taking up room in the world is an issue

[alpine garnet]

yesssss no more pillar events for meld blobs is instant +1 for me, hate doing that. Meld is almost more annoying than liminite imo because pillars are just so boring

[calm loom]

Whoops

My bad

[polar grove]

the pillars arent super bad

imo

[umbral nimbus]

if Yharim himself was ever put into the game, what kinda boss would he be

[ashen warren]

probs based off Lunatic Cultist is my guess

[umbral nimbus]

I always pictured him as a background boss, like the moon lord

[elder sparrow]

yharim is now giant

[umbral nimbus]

the dragon god mode?

haven't seen it yet

[maiden heath]

if you speak to sc she will speak back

and if you talk to any calamity bosses they will speak to you

[ashen warren]

Wrong channel but

I don't know how that would exactly work

Cause that'd mean programming responses for certain questions and declarations

And figuring out antonyms, synonyms, and blah blah blah

Overall it'd be kind hard

on top of having to dodge a fuckton

[tired haven]

just make them repeat one phrase everytime you ever type smth in chat
Don't get cocky, kid!

[ancient dragon]

literally the entire point of post-ML Astra
No.
No to infinity.

[teal shoal]

Make him drop some accessory instead or something eh

[wanton sun]

add luminite to astrum deus post ml

[ancient dragon]

No.
He's made so you don't have to suffer with the Pillars.

[sleek wadi]

Dude no, lunar events can take a long time to farm. And removing that feature from astrageldon gives us the ground to just delete Ravager.

[ancient dragon]

The entire event is a chore post-ML and there's just no point because it's either too hard or too boring since it takes so long.

[wanton sun]

you get like 30 fragments for each pillar anyway

or i guess you could reduce the amount of fragments

[teal shoal]

Yea

[wanton sun]

maybe by like 25%- 50%?

[ancient dragon]

No real point since it's much faster to kill Astra after the point where you start actually needing more fragments.

And if you were to nerf the amount he drops, it'd just become annoying because he can always one-shot you.

Making it too much hassle for too little reward.

[wanton sun]

he can?

[ancient dragon]

post-ML, yes.

[heady comet]

Lunar events are pointless

[sleek wadi]

Remember post-ML defense doesn't exist when you have it.

[teal shoal]

Or make that lunar event enemies drop fragments or smth to not make IT pointless

[ancient dragon]

Pillars are nice to look at but objectively bothersome.

[wanton sun]

oh

i just never got hit during that

[sleek wadi]

Lunar pillars only exist to build up to ML and give you weapons that can break through its massive healthbar.

[ancient dragon]

It's better to just have it this way so you don't have to grind for 10-15 minutes just to get the same amount of fragments you would from Astra while also being forced to fight ML if you don't want to Save & Exit.

[wanton sun]

also moon lord is currently the only way to get luminite if im not mistaken

[sleek wadi]

I think that's a decent enough purpose to not drain purpose from another boss when it even isn't the only offender of material fodder.

[ancient dragon]

The pillars are a nice way to end vanilla off, sure. They're tough and challenging and whatnot, but once you get past it... you don't have enough for the armor unless you're willing to bore yourself through it with gear that's likely still not enough to make it a cakewalk.
And even then, it's still annoying. That issue persists into modded unless you go out of your way to fix it with your own mod.

[wanton sun]

yeah i guess

minimum of 2 events for a set

[ancient dragon]

Or if you fail Moon Lord, you'll have to grind it out more if you need either the summoning item for ML only or for just more frags overall.

The entire event is a shitshow once you're done with being amazed by it for the first time.

[tired haven]

Not even to mention you get bored by constant dying before you even finish it once

[wanton sun]

or just dont die

[ancient dragon]

Hilarious.

[teal shoal]

or maybe make that astra has more feeling of high risk/reward because currently it gets basically blown in 10 seconds

[heady comet]

Nice meme lol

[sleek wadi]

Astra is a glorified miniboss

[tired haven]

Well yes

[ancient dragon]

May I ask what tier you're on? Because just past ML, he's quite tanky even with your shiny new weapons.

[sleek wadi]

It literally only is counted as a boss so that checklist picks it up and people don't get stuck wondering where the fuck astral jelly is.

[wanton sun]

*and so you can fight astrum deus

[ancient dragon]

Sure he's not hard to dodge, but he's not meant to be at that point. It's a farming mechanism that still has a bit of actual involvement in it so you don't just zone out.

[little jolt]

Astra is pretty tanky if you're pre-provi

Imo

[wanton sun]

maybe not the absorber but yeah ambrosial ampotule im all for

[little jolt]

Doesn't melt like you say it does

[ancient dragon]

^

[sleek wadi]

Yeah in true mini-boss fashion the thing has a massive fuckin' healthbar for when you find it but not much else.

[heady comet]

10 seconds seems like quite the exaggeration even for astrageldon

[teal shoal]

yea i think i got this value too low

but still for sure under 30seconds

[tired haven]

80k dps sounds like stellar striker meme

[wise pollen]

tbh I'm literally just pissy because I have all the components for the ambrosial ampoule but can't make it

[little jolt]

kill the cultists lol

[wise pollen]

I'm pre-mech

[little jolt]

kill the everything else and then the cultists lol

[sleek wadi]

Start the lunar events then get around solely by underground tunnels

[tired haven]

There is a lot of accessories that are auite cheap but have one material/crafting station that defines their tier

[heady comet]

Just kill cultists premech tbh

[wanton sun]

honeydew is alright for early hm jungle

the powder is 👌 tho

[little jolt]

ambrosial is really only useful for mining and also PBG if you killed cultists before PBG which is strange but acceptable

[tired haven]

And even then you can just use honey dew tbh

[little jolt]

Yep

[teal shoal]

also why astra fragments drop range is so large

like what the hell 18-90

[heady comet]

So you dont have to do the lunar events

Because they suck ass

[wanton sun]

im not wasting a zerg for 30 fragments

[teal shoal]

nah i find them to be definitly more fun, because it at least is at any point difficult

[little jolt]

nani

they're so tedious

[teal shoal]

idk i never found myself doing astra slime way

i found it annoying

done him once and never more

[ancient dragon]

Devs ain't going to take a choice away just because you don't agree with it.

Especially when it's such huge QoL for one of the most boring parts of vanilla.

[little jolt]

kill cultists again, kill every pillar and die a couple times on accident to the dumb nebula metroids, and then kill ML again

and doing that more than once is hella annoying

[wanton sun]

it takes like 20 minutes each time

[teal shoal]

i mean at least make something that its not an complete win win condition for slime

being both faster and easier

[wanton sun]

the slime

[little jolt]

but that's the point of slime

being fast and ez

[sleek wadi]

Kill lunatic, head to pillars, either waste zergs or 20 minutes, save & exit after last pillar, repeat.

[ancient dragon]

complete win/win
if you stop dodging you instantly perish

Pick one.

[teal shoal]

all you have to do is keep distance

[wanton sun]

yes because 100 tiles is a good distance

[tired haven]

running in one direction counts as dodging

[ancient dragon]

So it's not a complete win/win, is it then?

[teal shoal]

and you can perish on pillars to so yea

[ancient dragon]

Also good luck dodging his scatter shots by just running.

Either way, taking this away would be removing the freedom of choice and a good chunk of QoL.
If you don't like it, don't use it. You said it yourself that you don't fight Astra more than once, so you shouldn't feel entitled to removing the option of farming him as opposed to the tedious pillars away just because you think it's unnecessary or for any other reason you might have, really.

[teal shoal]

"freedom of choice" yea screaming right into player face that one option is better than other one

[ancient dragon]

Who's screaming at you?

[sleek wadi]

Using nurse instead of potions is obviously the better choice than potions due to being much cheaper, having no cooldown, and being a full heal instead of 300 at most. But do you see everyone using nurse? No. There is still that choice, even if one is sub-optimal.

[wanton sun]

slime is literally better than moon lord in terms of time

[tired haven]

well you can't carry nurse everywhere with you and she tends to die a lot on melee bosses

[ancient dragon]

Fargo.

[wanton sun]

doesn't matter if your nurse never respawns anyway

ive literally gone 6 ingame cycles and she hasnt respawned

i had to cheat sheet my nurse back in

[sleek wadi]

Just pop a queen statue down with pressure plate and wire whenever you need a heal, easy

[ancient dragon]

Make sure to kill all other female NPCs.
In closure, that suggestion's big dumb. 0/10.

[night cradle]

^

I mean, part about female NPCs.

[quasi fable]

Ampoule yes
Absorber no

[tired haven]

Analogue would be letting people craft amalgamated brain and bloody worm scarf right after both evil bosses killed, which is pretty rarted

[quasi fable]

Implying ampoule is as useful as the absorber

[tired haven]

I did only talk about absorber but k

Who cares about ampoule that much

[night cradle]

Ampoule should be crafted with Hardmode Anvil
Heck, I had all the ingredients when I defeated Skeletron Prime.

[wanton sun]

you can get all of them early hardmode, prime is not needed

or any mech

[night cradle]

Ik, I'm just saying that I got them after Prime.
It was my first mech boss then iirc

But really, they are extremely easy to get

[quiet abyss]

-> Can slow down bosses

Oh boi

Then again using this sounds quite tricky

So it balances out as long as the slow isnt that bad

[ashen warren]

I have a feeling slowing bosses will fuck their AI in some manner

[quiet abyss]

It definitely will for some bosses

[ashen warren]

Yeah, I can imagine DOG balling up while slowed

[wanton sun]

So basically glacial state but grass is what I'm getting

[calm loom]

I feel like slowing down bosses would be really overpowered

Since most of them do the most damage when you touch them

And some of the are based around trying to ram into you

Not to mention that the affect of slowing bosses could be used by any class

[ashen warren]

Wouldn’t that screw up some bosses due to they way they function, like Moon Lord?

[polar grove]

yea it kinda would

[ashen warren]

That would probably explain why Exo-Freeze is useless against him

[polar grove]

yea

[bitter drift]

abd DoG

[earnest raptor]

What a hell, my suggestion got 31 star.

[bitter drift]

@earnest raptor here couldn't leave you hanging

[ashen warren]

Trashbox wins the battle

Honestly his suggestion was very reasonable

[earnest raptor]

I'm make good suggestion

[bitter drift]

he was on 34 stars i felt bad

[ashen warren]

Youre a nice peep

[ashen warren]

I can die now

[tired haven]

Until the despacito decapodita dropper enemy would have 35 stars, no, you can't

[ruby cobalt]

Fungus-amungus, more like High Mungus.

[ashen warren]

Hugh Mungus.

[sleek wigeon]

“Decopodita sprout” aka junk in inv

[versed grotto]

@lucid marsh making that non consumable doesn't really do much tbh

you can just farm it like you farm other bosses

dryad can sell the decapodita

[bitter topaz]

imo non-consumable summons are better

mainly because the dryad's inventory prone to becoming a clusterfuck in modded

[night cradle]

after killing the certain boss non-consumable summons would be a nice way to farm bosses

And also ^^

[versed grotto]

get fargo's mod then

[bitter topaz]

that isn't really the point.

fargos is literally designed around that

[cyan lagoon]

but this is a pre-hardmode boss

[versed grotto]

non consumables are usually made for very hard bosses

[cyan lagoon]

if it was something like post-golem or post-moonlord it'd make more sense

[versed grotto]

to save you the pain of crafting their expensive summon

every time

^^^

[cyan lagoon]

and plus with crabulons drops

[night cradle]

Ive noticed that gods have mostly non-consumable summons
Except for Polter and Sentinels

[cyan lagoon]

you can make ANOTHER one very easily

[versed grotto]

nah it doesn't have to do with gods

[ruby cobalt]

It just so happens that specifically those bosses can beat the living shit out of you.

[versed grotto]

^

and their summons are expensive

[night cradle]

Ye

[ruby cobalt]

And it's 100% not connected to their "godhood".

Hence SG would've also had a non-consumable summon.

[versed grotto]

crabulons summon can be made in literally 15 seconds

[night cradle]

its only my imagination

[bitter topaz]

personally i'm just not a fan of consumable items, at all

[versed grotto]

[bitter topaz]

but yeah i get the argument of difficult boss = non-consumable summon

[ruby cobalt]

Same, but only when such consumables are required en masse and are very grindy.

[versed grotto]

cough eye of extinction cough

[night cradle]

It's not requiring that much items anymore

[bitter topaz]

eye isn't too grindy,

but i remember a long while ago it was still stupidly expensive and was consumable

[night cradle]

Polter is grindy imo

[ruby cobalt]

The entire problem with a non-consumable Crab summon is the fact that his summoning item is crafted by standing for 2 whopping minutes in his respective biome.

[versed grotto]

oh yes

[night cradle]

I mean, Necroplasmic Beacon

[versed grotto]

eww

100 phantoplasm

[vague olive]

Its not consumable iirc

[versed grotto]

he knows

[night cradle]

I mean, the 100 Phantoplasm is kinda grindy imo

[vague olive]

Oh ok

[night cradle]

Not every enemy will contain Phantom Spirits and without Zerg its literally 20 minutes of being in Dungeon

[versed grotto]

post moon lord dungeon is so fun

[idle obsidian]

Well at that point having a zerg shouldn't be too much of a problem

[night cradle]

Yeah
But if you don't have it, well, prepare for pain

[ruby cobalt]

If you don't have it?

If you don't have it?

[versed grotto]

blood orbs

[ruby cobalt]

So yes, apparently blood orbs are complete garbage and should've never existed.

Blood Relic is also isn't a thing for like half the game.

[versed grotto]

yharim's stimulants and calamitas' brew prehardmode is fun

[ruby cobalt]

Considering the fact that one zerg pays at least for another 10 zergs - your point is absolute shit.

[idle obsidian]

If you don't have 20 blood orbs for a zerg you are doing something wrong

Cosmolight + blood relic son

Heck even the crafting materials for it are easily accessible

[versed grotto]

zerg without blood orbs isn't that hard to make ei-

kek

[dull kite]

this is still going on about the crabbo suggestion right

[versed grotto]

indeed

join the hate train

[idle obsidian]

idk and I'm afraid to ask

[dull kite]

well, the subject changed to zerg after polter was brought up, so it doesn’t seem like it

[ruby cobalt]

Well it was going that way, until we brought up the concept of non-consumable items being non-consumable because their consumable versions would be a grindfest.

[night cradle]

I mean I'm lazy as hell so you cant be surprised that I don't have Zerg

[ashen warren]

6 stars on the pun suggestions. expected

Deathmode drop suggestions are ignored

Oh

Fixed

Oof

What?

Deathmode suggestion part

It’s good tho

Lol yeah I forgot about that deathmode part

[gritty crow]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't the auric tesla armor supposed to be Yharim's armor?

[ashen warren]

Yharim has a heavily modified version of it

[versed grotto]

@ashen warren i suggest it gives off even more light with auric tesla armor on

[ashen warren]

I like that idea!

[bitter topaz]

add the royal gel effect to statigel

i like it

[delicate raft]

Makes sense, ye

[ruby cobalt]

That would actually make royal gel useful.

Well, not exactly royal gel.

[versed grotto]

make it so you need royale gel to craft the chestplate

if u don't have it just nohit king slime jesus

[delicate raft]

Uhhh then it would be expert only

[bitter topaz]

^

well, technically not due to armageddon

[delicate raft]

Oof

[bitter topaz]

but i doubt the people playing on normal can actually no-hit king slime

or are even smart enough to read the tooltip of armageddon

[versed grotto]

you can literally

use the same strat

the rope strat

[neon panther]

fuck sorry

[bitter topaz]

good work

[neon panther]

yeah okay im writing this in a doc so i dont press send accidentally

[hollow shell]

@novel fulcrum It's called "Temporal Sadness"

the debuff

[novel fulcrum]

I know

[hollow shell]

It's not exclusively inflicted by Teardrop Cleaver

the Statis accessories inflict it too

also Biome Blade when in the mushroom biome

[novel fulcrum]

But its really forgetable and sorta useless

[hollow shell]

You could phrase your suggestion a lot better is what I'm sayin.

I'm not arguing with
the thing that you're suggesting

[novel fulcrum]

How should i phrase it tho?

[hollow shell]

"Allow more sources, especially enemies, to inflict the Temporal Sadness debuff, because at the moment it feels underused."

[novel fulcrum]

Thanks

Better?

[hollow shell]

Yeah sure

[neon panther]

ping me if you have a name idea btw

[novel fulcrum]

Nah the black hole is a good name

[neon panther]

Ooo I had an idea once about an upwards WoF but that was before abyss and I forgot it, thats a cool idea, but uh "Boss suggestions will never be accepted"

[icy kelp]

maw of the abyss is a good name tho

[dull kite]

Yes, no boss suggestions.

@crystal mortar

[bitter topaz]

ceasless void

smh it's ceaseless void

[neon panther]

what was that?

[crystal mortar]

cesles vod

[bitter topaz]

thanks

[bitter topaz]

@ashen warren the lore items are seemingly written from yharim's perspective

[versed grotto]

this word will be destroyed

w o r d

[ashen warren]

Yeah but the lore item does not say its not written from yharim, it could be written from anyone

[bitter topaz]

and also, the brain/eye could be assumed to not actually be related to cthulhu besides the name

iirc they are

people figured this out via the QB lore

[polar grove]

who actually writes the lore items

ingame i mean

[ashen warren]

yharm

[polar grove]

ooph

[bitter topaz]

ingame, yharim's perspective on shit

[polar grove]

i got the sense that he was somehow guiding you through the game

then i found out hes the jungle tyrant

[versed grotto]

he got bored of his weak opponents and wants to challenge you by guiding you to him

[polar grove]

maybe the reason hes depressed is cause he has no strong opposition

[quiet abyss]

Yharim is depressed. And wants a worthy opponent to be the one to kill him

[polar grove]

maybe the line in roar of the jungle dragon the enemy ascended beyond our control, or was that your intention hinted at that

[quiet abyss]

And no he’s not depressed cause of that. He’s depressed cause his entire family is killed right in front of him

[polar grove]

is there an actual timeline of these events?

[versed grotto]

kinda

[polar grove]

so i can tell if yharim is or is not thousands of years old

[versed grotto]

what are years in terraria

[polar grove]

idk

[quiet abyss]

Calamity lore are like Dark Souls lore. You get snippets of lore here and there, often vague, and you gotta try to piece them together

[polar grove]

i should make a timeline

[versed grotto]

dark souls with better difficulties

[polar grove]

yea

dark souls is easy compared to rev+ calamity

im going to #calamity-mod-talk

(idle chatter in discuss channel)

[frosty kindle]

dark souls ≠ calamity

[bitter topaz]

i see that homestuck reference

but yeah an upgrade to the omniblade would be stupidly OP, but also stupidly fun

and crabbar would die from pure joy iirc

but all in all a solid 9/10

[wise pollen]

Oh I thought of a better tooltip than just a copy paste from the trickster arc

[bitter topaz]

you might want to make the projectiles an on-hit affect though

[wise pollen]

ah yeah

[calm loom]

What if muramasa had a right click

Err

Alternative attack

Actually no, nvm. Murasama is a reference and it must stay that way

[gusty geode]

Any thoughts on my new post?

[neon panther]

i'd rather just change profaned crags name tbh, iirc that was suggested a while back

(the name change)

[quiet abyss]

During world gen it says “Brimstone Crags” instead of Profaned Crags now for some reason. Fabsol prolly changed the name and didn’t tell anyone, or smth

[bitter topaz]

that makes name change no.4 for them then

[neon panther]

i thought on gen it said "hell crag"

[quiet abyss]

It says “Brimstone Crags” now iirc though it might have been changed back

[calm loom]

I think the crags should have more humanoid enemies, seeing as the lore states that’s where dreams come to die

[bitter topaz]

it's went from "calamity biome" to "hell/profaned/brimstone crag" respectively

[calm loom]

Huh

All over the place ain’t it

[versed grotto]

humanoids in crags seem weird

[calm loom]

The crag biome could use a new touch to it too

[versed grotto]

since it's supposed to be an area of extreme condition

where lava burns everything

[calm loom]

Err well I mean like

Ghosts

[versed grotto]

yeah

that'd make more sense

[neon panther]

if its on the forum post that its brimstone crag we should change wiki

[gusty geode]

Get that old obsidian furniture out

[calm loom]

Meh

It’s more the biome that I think needs work

Syg suggested a while back that If it’s possible to expand down too, they should do it

[versed grotto]

um

[calm loom]

They could give hell multiple layers

[versed grotto]

that would break the map even more

[calm loom]

The only thing broken is the minimap

[versed grotto]

messing with world specifications never ends nicely because terraria is coded by elon musk

[gusty geode]

Idk how good of an example it really is, but I think the Crags should take notes from Spirit's Reach biome

[calm loom]

I’ve never seen that one

I’ll take a look into later

[versed grotto]

tbh profanced crags has a pile of brimstone slag below it

only first layer is used for houses

maybe the lower ones can have some kind of structure revolved around dark magic

[calm loom]

There’s no doubt brimmys hidey hole needs some sorta improvement visually

Hey that’s not a bad idea

A layer dedicated to magik

I’m imagining it right now

[gusty geode]

Aside from all the slag, the houses are completely intact, imo they should be horribly damaged versions of the main Underworld towers, with chunks of Brimstone lodged into some of the walls

[calm loom]

You know what calamity needs?

More generated structures

Not biomes

[gusty geode]

absolutely

[calm loom]

Like a throne room in the temple or a lab in the jungle revolving around the pluage

[gusty geode]

How about a "Cryo Tower Fragment" made of Ice Bricks and frozen furniture

[calm loom]

Yeah an ice castle too!

Or anything that’s left of it

[twin moon]

Bananaman made a PUN

[calm loom]

I find it weird that you can summon these powerful beings on a whim

They should do more things like golems summon

Like a broken down ice castle, with a seal at the center of the structure, that you can use to summon cryogen

Or a lab within the jungle, with a switch somewhere in it that summons pluage bringer Goliath

[gusty geode]

I have an idea

[calm loom]

Ok go and show please

Your ideas are usually good

So I wanna see it

I wish I knew how to sprite

I could totally bring theses ideas to life if I could

[gusty geode]

You could if you could

[calm loom]

🤔

Hmm

I feel like most people might find that unnecessary

[hollow shell]

Ack
Too complicated

I'm all for unconventional boss spawning ideas

In fact I love that stuff

[versed grotto]

@gusty geode you mean abombination right?

[hollow shell]

But that's a bit much, one too many steps

[thorn canyon]

its 2018 people

we need S P A W N I T E M S and nothing else

jk i like that plaguebringer goliath idea

[calm loom]

@gusty geode you should give them a reason to go through with that process

Not verbally, of course

[versed grotto]

i would like to see a future providence boss tbh

providence deserves some love

[hollow shell]

Hahahaha

oops

[calm loom]

Provi definitely deserves some love

She still has the best theme
Try to change my goddamn mind I dare you

[neon panther]

brimstone flameburster is a flamethrower tho

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren lolwhy

[bitter topaz]

amazing, high quality suggestion

@ashen warren keep critique to in here

[ashen warren]

I forgot what it was called, but one of them that shoots brimstone fireballs that drops from one of the brothers

I understand now sorry

[neon panther]

oh wait yeah

that one does fire brimstone fireballs, but its a flamethrower and this is a flower so it doesnt really match up

[ashen warren]

yea that is true, but mechanically they're the same that is why I mention it (I love that weapon btw)

[lusty idol]

Yes! We need a weapon to use the Flower of Fire and Flower of Frost. Especially combining them into Flower of Frostburn or Bananaman's weapon idea.

[ancient dragon]

AlchNPC

[sinful violet]

[lusty idol]

Estoy confused.

ohhh the ripped paper things from AlchNPC.

[earnest raptor]

I'm think, was fact, was from all lore craftes final lore about final boss, motievere player to save lore items.

[polar grove]

i honestly think some people would use cheat sheet to cheat it in so they could read it xD

[neon panther]

self-star smh

[sinful violet]

nou

[neon panther]

Boss suggestion wall of text k

@tight chasm do your work or something idk

[bitter topaz]

is that a fucking boss suggestion

smh why

[neon panther]

I think syg is afk @sturdy dock

[bitter topaz]

ngl that suggestion looks like it came right out of shitty minecraft mod idea hell

[heady comet]

Literally boss suggestion

Damn those are his first words

[ancient dragon]

Lowkey wanna give him :yourdidit: in reactions.

[neon panther]

do it

[bitter topaz]

Smh i would barely be able to resist the urge if i could

[balmy elm]

R u guys... making fun of me...

[neon panther]

Did you uh, read the pins?

[balmy elm]

No where do I read pins

[neon panther]

um

[tight chasm]

smh

[balmy elm]

Sorry I'm new....

[tight chasm]

its fine i guess

[ancient dragon]

It's not. It's literally one of the rules.

[balmy elm]

So my idea was bad?

[south bloom]

yes

[crude quartz]

simply put

[neon panther]

It just broke rules

[crude quartz]

yes

[balmy elm]

Oh I'm sorry 😦

[tight chasm]

Imma be merciful just this once

[ancient dragon]

syg
mercy
Does not compute.

[tight chasm]

shut

[neon panther]

verbal warning should suffice

[tight chasm]

ye

[ancient dragon]

Also no longer a bed partner for me.

Goodbye, Syg.

[south bloom]

[tight chasm]

hecc you

[balmy elm]

So... I can't suggest bosses?

[tight chasm]

boss suggestions are a nono

[neon panther]

Uh valk when you get here sorry for ping, syg handled it

[balmy elm]

So there's already plans for a "end game" boss?

[tight chasm]

mhm

[neon panther]

Yep

[balmy elm]

Oh cool what is it 😮

[tight chasm]

very few people know what it is

[balmy elm]

Oh...

[tight chasm]

fab's been pretty secretive so far

[neon panther]

well it’s actually technically yharim

Also #general-talk when

[tight chasm]

this probably isn't the place to discuss that tho, #calamity-mod-talk would be better

[neon panther]

[tight chasm]

[neon panther]

okay

[earnest raptor]

@sinful violet it's break non-linearity feature.

[sinful violet]

?

Bar of life is post golem

explain

[earnest raptor]

But in current for Ravager required only Golem

In case with bar of life needed Golem, Cryogen, Plantera.

[sinful violet]

???

That's not too big of an issue

Who's gonna complain about more armor tiers

And at that point, post golem, cryogen and plantera can be jokes

[earnest raptor]

It's break feature, was bosses can be defeated in any queue.

[sinful violet]

???

[earnest raptor]

Non-linearity.

[sinful violet]

Ravager ain't mandatory

At all

[earnest raptor]

Where first boss is cultist.

[sinful violet]

I'm really damn confused now

What's your point?

[earnest raptor]

In calamity released non-linearity, where bosses dont chains to one progression line.

[sinful violet]

Mhm

This doesn't change that

[earnest raptor]

Change

[sinful violet]

Ravager isn't mandatory

Plantera and cryogen at that point are easy

They can be fought at any point

[bitter topaz]

i think the point is when ravager is fightable

your recipe doesn't change it

[sinful violet]

Yeah, and it doesn't change, precisely

[bitter topaz]

but i think he means he'd prefer it if ravager was fightable earlier, which i'd also prefer for the sake of consistency

but i made my own suggestion about that

[sinful violet]

Then that's an easy fix, but it'd also have the change the current one

also who tf wants to fight ravager early in a normal playthrough

[bitter topaz]

i don't really know, literally the only reason i want it is because nearly every other boss is fightable early on, and the inconsistency with it and PBG bugs me too much

[ashen warren]

This is something that bothers me on the Terraria wiki so I thought I might at least suggest it for the Calamity wiki ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[bitter topaz]

no. unless the vanilla wiki does it, the calamity doesn't either

danny is all about consistency

[ashen warren]

Well, it’s a very minor change

there are gifs in terraria wiki for stuff like weapons or whatever so if you want beetle you can record some special interactions in gif format or something

[bitter topaz]

the weapon gifs do exist

[ashen warren]

I know

[bitter topaz]

he means the enemy sprites being replaced with animated gifs

[ashen warren]

^

I know what he means

[bitter topaz]

which is a big no from danny

[ashen warren]

It's a compromise

Well I can’t record stuff on my computer cause it lag as hell

I go now for skoool

[earnest raptor]

Skoolamitas?

[neon panther]

Abeemination name is taken

Oh wait

I’m dum

[bitter topaz]

smh not naming it a bee in my nation

but any suggestion that fixes the stupid inconsistency with PBG and/or ravager is a in my book

[sleek wadi]

Calamitas also has that inconsistency. Eye of Desolation requires Souls of Fright, so you need to kill your pick of either Skeletron Prime or Brimstone Elemental. By extension this also means Scal requires you to kill those 1 of those 2 as well.

[bitter topaz]

SCal requires all 3 due to vanilla mechanics

and it's not a thing fab can change like bulbs afaik

[sleek wadi]

Oh yeah the mothron shenanigans.

But couldn't one get around that with a summoning item?

[bitter topaz]

not entirely sure, it sounds possible but i don't know if vanilla has a failsafe for it

[sleek wadi]

I don't think Mothron would auto-despawn if it detects the 3 mechs are still alive, it just wouldn't naturally spawn in the first place.

[bitter topaz]

with RedCode™ you never really know for sure

[pure vector]

totally not thinking of making a suggestion to optimise the mod for compatibility and lag control

[teal shoal]

wouldnt be possible to set that it can be triggered by an other thing?

aka like hivemind/perforators, that there are 2 diffrent bosses that can trigger an event to happen[aeralite ore spawn]

[ruby cobalt]

Some things are extremely hardcoded to happen only after a certain event happens.

Like HM dungeon only happens after plantera.

[teal shoal]

mhm

[rare spruce]

deathmode brain of cuthulu is to easy

[ashen warren]

How would you make it harder?

[rare spruce]

maybe spit ichor

[ancient dragon]

Omega brain.

[tired haven]

Just make brain motherboard tbh
Well it could create more copies of itself and also gain kb resist (not full)

Oh ye btw crystal pixie stuff is bae, though it could use a bit more materials (that's not crucial)

[ancient dragon]

'Occasionally make smaller, killable hallucinations of itself to shoot a barrage of projectiles on a set interval' would be my pitch.
But hey, what do I know.

[earnest raptor]

Why is bae?

[tired haven]

It's very good

I meant

[ashen warren]

The wrong hallucination taking a hit makes it close in faster

[earnest raptor]

Changed recipe.

[rare spruce]

can I get tips on defeating death mode queen bee as a mage

[quiet abyss]

Wrong channel

Go to #help-advice-read-pins

[tired haven]

What that emote is supposed to mean tho?

[neon panther]

siren hug'

[tired haven]

it looked like zombie siren ngl

Now it makes sense

[ashen warren]

Seems redundant, platinum already stacks to 999 and if you fill a whole piggybank with that what the hell are you doing?

[potent vortex]

Well you can put items in them

[ashen warren]

You can do that with the safe and forge as well, a money collector for the safe just seems pointless really. That and for portable storage the safe is better since it doesn't need a platform

[versed grotto]

you can have a safe and a workbench in your inventory

[wanton sun]

luiafk portable safe

[versed grotto]

yes

[ashen warren]

Pig trough as well

[quiet abyss]

That was a long one.
I don't expect this one to get that many stars considering its odd concept, but hey why not.

[ruby cobalt]

It's actually a pretty neat concept.

You basically lock yourself to a soft hitcap while giving up some damage in its favor.

[quiet abyss]

Mhm, ye. I was thinking of something like that

I was thinking of making it gives some damage stats, but decided against it.

[tired haven]

Hey I smell HK

[quiet abyss]

Would making this post-plantera be too much though?
I could move it up some tier

[ruby cobalt]

It's extremely defensive, that's the point of it.

[alpine garnet]

I could mb see this viable speedrun-wise actually

[quiet abyss]

And wow, already someone sees what the suggestion is referencing to Nice one Crab

[alpine garnet]

seems pretty good, but idk if it'd be "op" considering endgame stuff is alrdy so strong

I do think there'd need to be some balancing for some bosses

like it'd make ravager a hot meme

[ruby cobalt]

Ravager's a hot meme by itself.

[idle obsidian]

I would love to see that thing as a starting game item like revengeance more than an accessory

[tired haven]

It could be tweaked a bit more (not sure how rn) and this will make a great mode

[quiet abyss]

I'll come back and maybe made some changes to this later.
Brb in a bit.