Unless they really ramp up defence in rev mod
#suggestions-discussion
bitter drift
yes @quiet abyss that what i'm trying to do in the very basic
and @ashen warren i'm ranger with onyx blaster (this gun is broken) and still having a bad time (ichor bullets)
fleet fox
^^
ashen warren
Yeah, Onyx Blaster needs the second anvil
bitter drift
any way this gun is broken it took me to lunatic autist
bitter drift
golem no problem with it
lavaythin get dead in 5m
and this is an old world but i still have that problem
ashen warren
Onyx blaster is good for stuff like destroyer because it hits so many segmants
But plantera is a single target
Onyx blaster isn't gonna be that great
bitter drift
2nd phase there are all the mini plants
ashen warren
So you could switch to it for that
But to kill the actual boss you should use single target
bitter drift
i will tell you this
i will not fight this boss with out the solar eruption
post planterra
ashen warren
You won't fight plantera with solar eruption post platera
Chlorophyte bullets make shotguns fun
ashen warren
Has anyone ever made a mod with a "revolver" function, as in loading an order of bullets?
ashen warren
No that just shows remaining bullets, I'm talking "Fire a normal, silver, chloro, and ichor bullet then GOTO10"
Probably beyond the scope of the mod but a series of guns that let you customize the bullet order would be pretty neat
@ashen warren the hotkey mod I'm getting has a function where you can tap a button and switch what bullets your shooting
That would help
Just look up Terraria hot key mod
I'm getting it because I like hotkeying my RoD but it has the bullet thing also
proven tide
It's really not that funny
sudden quail
Eh, it is to me
ashen warren
cyan lagoon
yeah
ancient dragon
Oh boy, I can't wait.
gaunt quiver
Ye calamity doesn't have to add things that will get added in vanilla
restive karma
I usually post suggestions that come to my head. And since I'm post golem, why not the plague
Is it good?
sleek wigeon
"infected skeletons"
vague olive
No its a virus
ashen warren
@digital saddle your suggestion could tie in to the new draedon boss fight also
restive karma
@ashen warren it would need to be a very large area then
ashen warren
Well it wouldn't need to be fought there
But like the stuff you get from it
Could be used to summon draedon
dull kite
@restive karma please edit that into your original message
opal barn
spreading biomes 🤢
hollow shell
Nah, they're two separate suggestions
just related to each other
He should just word it to be independant
restive karma
Well I combined them
dull kite
well I guess that's fine
restive karma
Sorry if another evil is bad. It probably won't be implemented anyway
ashen warren
@ashen warren I like your suggestion except for the name "sundowner"
worthy fiber
I like the name
ashen warren
that name actually was the first idea i had for the weapon
thats also why its crafted in a similar way to the monsoon bow
gusty geode
What do people have against spreading biomes? They aren't that big a deal to keep out of your way once you have the clentaminator, and a simple 3-block wide chunk of grey brick is enough to stop them in their tracks.
opal barn
They are an annoyance
gusty geode
Saying we shouldn't have something because it's an annoyance is a bit dumb, there are a lot of things in this game that are just annoyances but are in anyway
delicate raft
You said it yourself
You just have to make a wall or something or use the Clentaminator
Why having it spread if it's just that simple
gusty geode
Exactly, it's not even that big of an annoyance
delicate raft
It may be simple, but it's annoying and a waste of time
gusty geode
If it spreads to existing blocks it's much easier to make an artificial one
delicate raft
Only if you want one
gusty geode
I just think that something like that to take you away from fighting for a bit could be helpful
And in the Plague biome's case, you wouldn't end up getting mugged by Plaguebringers when you're just trying to find some extra Chlorophyte
reef escarp
Syg yourdidit
restive karma
Yeah. It's annoying when your mining for chrolophyte when plaguebringers are everywhere. So I thought it should be a post golem biome
hollow shell
@calm temple That's a vanilla feature, right?
Does it not work with Calamity summon staffs?
calm temple
Not in the slightest.
hollow shell
... crazy sure?
calm temple
I tested with pretty much everything up to ice claspers.
hollow shell
@bitter topaz big smh
bitter topaz
fuck
hollow shell
I'm confused because I recall Levi talking about using the targeting feature during his summoner no-hits
bitter topaz
i'm genius aren't i? 
the targetting feature is buggy as shit and refuses to work most of the time iirc
~~also i don't know why the fuck i thought that #suggestions-voting was #calamity-mod-talk ~~
but i don't recall him mentioning the targettin thing, but i'll go rewatch the video incase i'm being dumber than usual
hollow shell
Yeah look here
He targets Queen Bee while holding the Blood Clot Staff
https://youtu.be/IDovZtmVjIU?t=770
But I'm also confused because here he somehow targets the Perforator Hive despite never hovering his mouse over it
which iirc is the only way to do it, directly right-clicking on the guy
https://youtu.be/IDovZtmVjIU?t=697
gusty geode
Shit, text-wall 
hollow shell
Nah it's not a wall
bitter topaz
it has to just be near the enemy iirc
hollow shell
you've got line breaks
And alright
nonetheless, he does it with Calamity summon weapons
along with numerous other times throughout the video
gusty geode
Any thoughts?
neon panther
i like the concept but going to the highest possible spawnrate is just straight up bullshit, it should be like 10x spawnrate at the most imo
since its permenant
gusty geode
It's supposed to be a permanent Zerg potion, so max spawn rates are the only way to go to maintain the feeling
neon panther
exactly, permenant zerg is just annoying rather than challenging imo
sleek wadi
I could see someone using that item at the start and then immediately getting swarmed and killed by a sudden surge of slimes.
gusty geode
On the other hand, Genocide Crystal would probably be even worse because of how rare enemies would become
Imagine trying to find Phantom Spirits 
azure elm
That's what It would be
gusty geode
But it's still a better challenge than requiring you to no-hit a boss imo
Ones like mine force you to think, and makes it so you have to use weapons that don't drop from enemies like the Handgun
restive karma
doesnt cheat sheet make it permenant as well?
gusty geode
Yeah, but there should be a way to do it without relying on another mod
versed grotto
@gusty geode make those crystals craftable using a zerg or a zen potion in a demon altar AND make using one cancel the other's effect without activating it's own
gusty geode
They're not supposed to be tools, I had designed them as challenge items like the Iron Heart, because all the ones that have come out lately just buff boss stats and nerf player stats
versed grotto
10 of each potion
yes but what if you accidentally use them
iron heart doesn't constantly spam your screen with enemies
especially since they are world based
so that world will be screwed
gusty geode
Doesn't the Iron Heart only work after two minutes? If it takes that long to decide if you want to use them or not, it's your fault
versed grotto
that's not what i meant
what about beginners
who try it without knowing what it does
it ruins the entire world
gusty geode
"Something something actions have consequences"
versed grotto
it's a game pls
gusty geode
Revengeance also has problems like that, if you use it without reading ahead you're screwed
versed grotto
ok fine i just don't want people screaming "MY WORLD HAS NO ENEMIES IT IS BUG!!!!!"
gusty geode
A simple pin in #bugs-read-pins would hopefully fix that
sleek wadi
You know it wouldn't
tired haven
Oh man swarm crystal sounds like nuts
I want it badly to not enable cheatsheet if I ever want something similar
Also Swarm is easier than Genocide
Oh yeah, complete aids idea
Mode that has permanent Zen during normal play and permanent Zerg during bossfights 
icy kelp
how do i negative star a suggestion 
violet talon
cant
violet talon
not trying to minimod but, @gusty geode could you maybe split those suggestions so we can star the one we like?
gusty geode
A lot of the best weapons require stuff dropped from enemies
One in particular being the entire Wulfrum set
opal barn
That 5% more dmg early game is gonna do a whole lot
gusty geode
Basically the challenge of the Genocide Crystal is to make resources more scarce
A few other examples are Guide Voodoo Dolls, Divine Geodes, Ectoplasm, getting through any event in a timely manner, etc
opal barn
That would just be cancer, not a unique challenge
gusty geode
Pumpkin Moon would suck so bad
Honestly, some of the people around here hate challenges that make you think instead of just buffing bosses to the point of near-impossible
dull kite
swarm crystal would be complete aids 
worthy raptor
What about "shit barely spawns" makes you think though. I can kinda see it with the crazy spawn rates but shit never spawning is just hoping rng doesn't fuck you over but a lot worse
gusty geode
It would force you to use "less viable" weapons, because odds are they're all you have.
Ever use the Handgun before?
worthy raptor
What about like, trying to get polter to spawn, or farming for lenses to kill EoC, farming for eleum for cryo key, etc
violet talon
trudat
gusty geode
Either abuse Zerg Potions, be patient, or skip those bosses entirely
worthy raptor
What about killing the lunar pillars 
sleek wadi
It'll make everything take longer and could make the event moons impossible as you wouldn't get enough enemies to clear all the waves.
Things taking longer is not a challenge
dull kite
yeah abusing zerg is like your only chance
worthy raptor
So it's "use zerg potions to get the spawn rate back to normal" so why not just play the game normally just don't use zerg to overboost spawn rates?
And you can't skip cryo really, you either need to kill him or destroyer to make cosmic worm, and iirc you need to farm stuff for mechanical worm too
sleek wadi
Cosmic Worm no longer needs Souls of Might
worthy raptor
O coolio
cyan lagoon
you sure
sleek wadi
But you still need to tackle either Cryogen or Ravager for the Bars of Life
cyan lagoon
the edit was made by some anon
worthy raptor
Also voodoo demon hunting
I don't think anyone wants to just sit there hoping 1 enemy will spawn, even with normal spawn rates that shit can get infuriating
sleek wadi
Also it screws over some classes more than others
A decent portion of melee's options, most notably the oathblade line and anything requiring Broken Hero Swords, are locked behind enemy drops
Meanwhile ranger still walks by with little trouble because their stuff isn't tied to enemies.
Oh and Zerg potions wouldn't even really be much of an option! How are you gonna get 20 blood orbs when damn near nothing spawns during the blood moon?
gusty geode
I'm still determined to create a slower-paced challenge, and I have a new idea on of what it is
valid grotto
'destroying the grind' mode
wanton sun
Nobody would want to play it
gusty geode
Just realized I forgot a part of it
valid grotto
one of the main reasons i like terraria is because the grind is short and rewarding
hollow shell
@gritty crow Unfortunately impossible
Lava in the crags deals more damage than normal lava due to
code-check-whatever conditions related to lava itself
checkin
if you're in the crags while you're dipped in it
There'd be no way to check if lava tiles came from the crags or not via transportation
And yeah, adding a 4th liquid is currently impossible.
It's a hard-coded thing, not even the Terraria devs can do it
without like, some big base-game modifications, probably
ancient dragon
Would just like to point out that Dradon is working on modded liquids at the moment.
gritty crow
@hollow shell Couldn't you make a new liquid though?
ancient dragon
lusty idol
ashen warren
So... liquids are possible then?
ancient dragon
Dradon is doing his best to make it happen.
gritty crow
That makes me feel better about my suggestion lol
ancient dragon
It may not be publicly available yet (to my knowledge), but it should be out sometime in the future.
It also needs to be made multiplayer-compatible, much like the rest of his work.
gritty crow
Side comment that dang slime looks scary now
ancient dragon
Hope that cleared that up.
gritty crow
Yes it did, thank you!
ancient dragon
Aye.
gritty crow
@ashen warren Out of curiosity why'd you spell it as Wurmling and not Wormling?
frozen jay
what about wyrmling
ashen warren
Wyrmling sounds better actually
gritty crow
I agree
frozen jay
hehe
ashen warren
You guys think it should have any other drops?
frozen jay
eh
gritty crow
frozen jay
tbh aerialite is something I never had a shortage of
frozen jay
true
wanton sun
Most modded ores have a slime that spawns underground that drops the ores
Aero, cryo, blossom, perrenial slimes are all in the game
frozen jay
we know .-.
gusty geode
Currently there are exactly 2 enemies in space (3 If you count Storm Weaver) so a Space Update would probably be the best way to go, especially now that Planetoids exist
I'll see if I can come up with a few ideas
restive karma
Maybe that boss can spawn the aerialite instead of the hive mind
frozen jay
what if the boss is a harpy queen? 🤔
gusty geode
Spirit kinda did that already
frozen jay
?
gusty geode
Was it Spirit I can't remember
frosty kindle
I think you meant SacredTools
proven tide
Harpy Queen would be a good idea I reckon
frosty kindle
Already exists in ST
proven tide
hang on
gusty geode
"The Ancient Flier", this huge skeletal Harpy
proven tide
But done
frosty kindle
Sproot is old but i think they're doing a new one iirc
proven tide
And we are to be original
gusty geode
gusty geode
Yeah, idea's been done a couple times
Maybe fight the Cloud Elemental in pre-hardmode?
gusty geode
K bye
violet talon
is it ok if i delete my suggestion then repost it or edit it?
because i want to change something about it, but i feel it would be too different
worthy holly
what if
there was some way
to be able to enter a different dimesnion
like, not a new biome,
but an entire new dimension
paper ravine
If there was, That would be cool.
vernal sphinx
Starbound allows for that
bleak fjord
thats just how I'd like the lore
I mean, it's a lot of story, but still
I think it would be awesome
also
voice acting would be appreciated as all hell
opinions?
proven tide
How about a satellite?
Enemies that orbit planetoids at a fixed distance from the core
Depending on their size
bleak fjord
might have problems detecting size of planets
but it could be done in easy ways
maybe
bleak fjord
yeah
proven tide
why do people always refer to others by their nicknames rather than usernames it took me ten seconds to realise that was directed at me
gusty geode
Idk why but I expected some kind of complaint about something
"Alpha Harpy is pointless and buffing enemies around it is annoying"
"Heavy Gravity is annoying and makes fighting in space bullshit"
bleak fjord
because it takes time to do shit
so either shorten your username
or get used to it
proven tide
it was sarg's fault
proven tide
@hybrid cipher why didn't you think of that
hollow shell
@digital saddle That's the idea.
digital saddle
the idea is having minibosses that travel through walls and you dont have the choice not to engage early hardmode when they basically always kill you and prevent you from doing the caving so you're actually decently equipped for handmode?
gusty geode
Wraiths invented that
neon panther
magic mirror?
hollow shell
iunno
I personally never found them to be a big problem. By the time I encountered most of them they were already pushovers
digital saddle
wraiths dont spawn underground
and you can at least knock them back
earth elemetnals have like 8k hp
and 100% kbr
neon panther
ok so if you can’t beat it recall/magic mirror away and go back under
neon panther
it’s not powerful enough for its own summoning item for sure
digital saddle
then remove them
neon panther
and I rarely find them anyways
digital saddle
they're really common though
hollow shell
They
really aren't
gusty geode
You have bad RNG
digital saddle
they're like biome mimics
hollow shell
you're just a bad luck betsy
digital saddle
except you MUST fight them
hollow shell
They're way less lethal than the biome mimics, from my experience with both...
sleek wadi
My personal experience says the opposite, but then again I was poorly equipped and never actually encountered a natural biome mimic.
hollow shell
You lucky man
proven tide
what
digital saddle
they leap at you
and do that weir dflying thing
if you get too far away
then try to goomba stomp you
hollow shell
He said "natural"
he knows what they are
wanton sun
Biome mimics get destroyed by glacial state
Just light one up with that bow post cryogen and easy pickings
heady comet
The point of them is to spook you tbh
sleek wadi
It uses shadowspec, thus it ain't happening.
sterile moon
:/
tight chasm
Shadowspec is reserved for dev weapons @sterile moon
tight chasm
could you maybe give a description or smth? Nobody gonna want something if they don't know what it does
sterile moon
sure
tight chasm
Are you just gonna make a whole new thing?
Imma delete the other one if so
@sterile moon
sterile moon
ill delete it
tight chasm
k
proven tide
Firstly: The Exoblade is better than half the developer weapons and has been left as is for a reason. If an upgrade was going to happen it would require post-Yharim or so materials to make it viable against Goozma and the other superboss — and that update is an unknown distance into the future, so this suggestion isn't going anywhere.
Secondly: The only Future Boss post-Yharon is Dragon God, Yharon, so that's the only one that would have an Exo+ upgrade even available before fighting it in normal progression.
Thirdly: UPGRADING AN EXO WEAPON?! ARE SERIOUS?! yes, Apotheosis, but that's a dev item, so it's excepted
Fourthly: You really don't need anything beyond Exo to defeat the Future Bosses, you can do just fine as is even if the Ancient Doomsayer and its projectiles are invisible half of the time so the fight is unfairly difficult
TL;DR: not happening :/
tight chasm
there may be another legendary upgrade coming smtime soon
but hey, it's just a harmless suggestion, not really a need to critique it so harshly
sterile moon
umm how do you spell calamitas?
tight chasm
just like that
proven tide
That's it
sterile moon
ok thanks
hearty yew
@faint magnet uh, you can't just suggest bugfixes... that's what the bugs channel is for, is reporting bugs that need to be fixed
Maybe I don't understand the suggestion
sterile moon
ok done
faint magnet
I'm not suggesting that specific bugs be fixed, I'm suggesting that, if a large bug pops up that halts progression, a smaller update is released that is only focused on fixing that bug and nothing else (so no new content, resprites etc.)
Instead of waiting for the next full update
tight chasm
better. A little bit silly, maybe, but valid i suppose
hearty yew
ok that's reasonable
tight chasm
should I star that or nah
sterile moon
thanks at least someone likes it
gusty geode
My planetoid expansion got buried before I could get any thoughts on it
sleek wadi
They're contractually obligated to star suggestions so that other people can.
proven tide
@sterile moon The Nightwither debuff is an unloved debuff that already does 1000 damage every five seconds (200 every second) and the whole night/void theming more or less lines up, so perhaps the sword could inflict Nightwither?
tight chasm
huh
sterile moon
well my idea is slightly different
tight chasm
what on earth inflicts that?
sterile moon
it lasts 20 seconds but only goes off every 5 seconds
proven tide
o h
tight chasm
let devs decide damage
sterile moon
ok
tight chasm
you can put a rough estimate if you want though
sterile moon
it should have enough dmg to deal with the new bosses
so people dont have to go mage
proven tide
Again, the only Future Boss post-Exo is Dragon God, Yharon
sterile moon
wrong
tight chasm
right
sterile moon
theres 3
proven tide
The only one after Yharon is the Dragon God
sleek wadi
No, you can tackle the other 2 pre-exo.
tight chasm
there are 3 future bosses, but both DoU and AD are meant to be fought post DoG, before you can get exo stuff
sterile moon
goozma
tight chasm
shrug
tight chasm
Shadowspec may be reworked sometime in the future though
proven tide
If an upgrade was going to happen it would require post-Yharim or so materials to make it viable against Goozma and the other superboss
sterile moon
yeah
proven tide
Otherwise the upgrade would be too strong for the bosses it's supposed to face
sterile moon
yharanium
proven tide
As the Exoblade is already designed to face off against SCal, and there are only three bosses planned for after SCal
As far as I can tell the last stretch of game progression when the last bosses come out will be:
Servants of the Devourer -> Polterghast -> Devourer of Gods -> Ancient Doomsayer -> Bumblebirb -> Devourer of Universes -> Jungle Dragon, Yharon -> Draedon -> Dragon God, Yharon -> Supreme Calamitas -> Yharim -> Goozma -> ??? so this hypothetical upgrade (as it is now, which is only post-Yharon) would have six bosses to contend with — so, going by prior sword upgrade chains (see: Terra Edge -> Terratomere, True Ark of the Ancients -> Ark of the Elements, etc.), and the fact that the Exoblade is already designed to face off against SCal, the weapon wouldn't actually be likely to upgrade until after the next milestone boss (being Yharim), anything before then being unbalanced and probably significantly too powerful.
TL;DR: probably going to be post-Yharim if it does get implemented
ancient dragon
The last thing Fab needs are lessons in coding.
At this point most bosses not despawning is intentional if I'm not mistaken, too.
quiet abyss
^
violet talon
^
wooden jasper
i mean if it took long enough to get ores to spawn after you beat a boss...
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ancient dragon
That was near the beginning.
I recall it being at another point as well, but it was rectified again for being annoying.
Either way, point still stands. Fab is at least competent at coding in such basic levels like boss despawns.
crude quartz
I mean
I see why he put it up
shit like profaned guardians camping your spawn and shit is actually the worst
night cradle
Oh, the bosses despawning
When I was peacefully killing CV Main Profaned Guardian started bulli 
crude quartz
plus if its a solution to something that was/still is considered an issue then there's no need to push it off
ancient dragon
It's an understandable complaint, but there's no need to just post the code when Fabsol can make it himself.
violet talon
do you really think there's going to be a meme role?
wanton sun
but it isn't a meme role
clever pendant
It's not a meme rule, @violet talon, unless you consider Untouchable and Dead Inside to be meme roles
That being said: the challenge here is time. It's not dodging the projectiles so much as it is Killin your enemy before you get caught in an undodgeable spot.
gusty geode
Wait, that's actually happening
crude quartz
there’s no way y’all actually believe that’s happening right
dull kite
I doubt it but fabsol is insane so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
proven tide
Don't say that shit 
fleet fox
What's happening?
proven tide
That's a fast track to instant death
gusty geode
fleet fox
Oh, that shit will be unplayable, that's for sure
violet talon
the pnyl entities thare visible are anything but enemies
wanton sun
Make those stupid weird mappy setups where you Jill the boss instantly
clever pendant
I can believe it would happen. This mod has a reputation for not being easy without effort, so Invisible Enemies is actually feasible
fleet fox
OwO, invisible EoC seems possible?
violet talon
yes
violet talon
lol just use overlay
proven tide
yes i know they would be removed but shut
proven tide
question is what would happen if you gave the enemy ichor
violet talon
what if that's the real challenge?
proven tide
what turns yellow?
dull kite
@pure vector it's supposed to happen eventually afaik
ancient crow
Summoner = op
pure vector
Then why not add a channel for what is already planned
so people wont suggest what is already planned
ancient dragon
Because it's not. People are just volunteering for resprites. If Fab doesn't wish to add them, he won't.
pure vector
seriously?
ancient dragon
Yes. They just do it for fun.
You can hop over to the art server to see what people are working on.
pure vector
Where are the freaking plans .-. Enigma has plans but why not calamity >.>
ancient dragon
You could ask Fab whenever he's around, I suppose. I can't answer for him.
deft jasper
its not high priority i'd imagine
quiet abyss
Fabsol have plans for Calamity in his head.
The mod development is mostly kept in the dark
deft jasper
so fab would probably just take a sprite someone else made so they didnt have to worry about it
quiet abyss
Mhm, resprites for the future bosses are not high priority rn
sinful violet
@pure vector #changelogs
There's a lot of stuff on fabs plate as well rn
Don't expect absolutely everything to be spoiled.
ancient dragon
Thank you Mrrp, very cool.
sinful violet
ebic
ashen warren
nobody should suggest to make ravager faster, it's not a good idea
ancient dragon
Make Ravanger faster, please.
proven tide
Y'see it's different because he misspelt it so it's okay so don't kill him
ancient dragon
I'm unkillable.
Unless you Download Food Mod™, but you wouldn't kill your friends, would you?
pure vector
mk fixed suggestion
MOST planned content
if it's already secretly planned but it gets suggested, RIP secret
ancient dragon
Ooooor we could just leave you in the dark anyways because spoiling surprises is bad no matter how many people get it right.
ancient dragon
Yes. We. 
It's better to have that glorious feeling of 'hOLY SHIT I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG!' than to just have it be heavily mitigated because 'you got it early, therefore we should tell you'.
pure vector
Fine. As long as main things are still somewhat explained BRIEFLY on whats gonna come
Wouldn't want someone to suggest something one is already doing, right?
mainly the obvious stuff
like yharim
ancient dragon
Well yes, something that's obvious shall of course be explained. But things like the unshown superboss will not be disclosed even if someone guesses what it is.
proven tide
^^^^
pure vector
Will the secret superbosses be even privately discussed or will it be on spriting xD
ancient dragon
Yes.
pure vector
k
Maybe a channel that lists brief plans on progression and plot? Like Yharon > Draedon > SC > Yharim, etc etc
basically the big picture
ancient dragon
/shrug
pure vector
I have no idea
ancient dragon
proven tide
This is the setup for a suggestion discussion
proven tide
As far as I can tell, we're not allowed to suggest based on planned content, are we?
despite these suggestions about Yharim/SCal/Yharon connections becoming game mechanics when the big boy is implemented
ancient dragon
You are since you're not really meant to know that it even exists. Matter of fact, user input would be appreciated for things that aren't set in stone yet.
proven tide
Okay, so, here's an idea.
ancient dragon
No reason to scold you for something you didn't even know.
pure vector
I don't get it...
Why do we have to constantly poke in the dark just to find out what might pass and what is already coming... .-.
ancient dragon
I... just said you can.
proven tide
@pure vector Ay editing is one thing but completely replacing an old comment with something different is just dishonest. You can actually get in deep shit for that.
ancient dragon
Congrats on that.
For future reference, their original comment was on how they can't suggest things that are planned but not public knowledge.
pure vector
I just want to see where I am going when I suggest something.
proven tide
Speculation-on-planned-content time:
As far as I can tell (based on scaling and Fab's Word of God stuff) the last stretch of game progression when the last bosses come out will be:
Servants of the Devourer -> Polterghast -> Devourer of Gods -> Ancient Doomsayer -> Bumblebirb -> Devourer of Universes -> Jungle Dragon, Yharon -> Draedon -> Dragon God, Yharon -> Supreme Calamitas -> Yharim -> Goozma -> ???
However, the Devourer of Universes is.. a devourer of universes. Ignoring the fact that until Dragon God, Yharon, the Devourer of Gods was set as stronger than all the gods (Slime, Astra, Astrum, Prov), the Devourer of Universes is literally universal tier.
As it is, Word of God from Fab says that Goozma is "anti-God", being mindless destruction and hateful energy or some similar concept. So, something that eats universes (after all, it got its name from somewhere — I mean, it wasn't like the Devourer of Gods didn't eat gods, so the Devourer of Universes has probably eaten an entire dimension at some point) should be set around that tier, no?
ancient dragon
That has nothing to do with you editing your comment to make my own look stupid, Glitchy.
ancient dragon
Aaaand ignored.
Lovely.
bitter topaz
Smh you've got good guessing skills i guess
fleet fox
Uhm, do you understand that the future bosses are optional, and forever will be optional?
clever pendant
The seedlings of a 
are being sown...
pure vector
just edit your own comments too... if I can do it so can you.
ancient dragon
That wasn't a mistake. You edited the message after I'd replied to make it so my reply didn't make sense.
proven tide
please, suggestions
ancient dragon
You rewrote your entire point after I'd given you a reply.
proven tide
rather than drama
ancient dragon
Anyways.
proven tide
pleas
pure vector
I was typing when you said that
ancient dragon
Enough of that.
pure vector
Anyways.
fleet fox
This is looking like youtube's comments section
proven tide
As it is, I want to suggest that the Devourer of Universes be set post-Yharim, because I frankly think that putting the upgraded Yharon ahead of the upgraded DoG just because the past Devourer was weaker than Yharon at the time (thus assuming it would always be weaker, even if it devoured universes) is plain stupid.
pure vector
tbh if something that already eats gods were to eat universes
ancient dragon
Lore-wise it'd make sense, yes. Not difficulty-wise at this point in time, however.
pure vector
I'd be sure DoU would be absolutely lategame
proven tide
Either that or the DoU should be renamed. Sure, the DoU name sounds s t r o n k , but it's a bit of a misnomer that plays its strength up far more than what it actually is.
ancient dragon
After thorough testing, it was determined that DoU is very much beatable with pre-phase 2 Yharon gear, therefore it shall sit at that tier for the sheer sake of nohitting and difficulty curves.
proven tide
TL;DR: DoU should be buffed to meet its name and moved post-Yharim, or be renamed to something less problematic.
Thoughts?
pure vector
Maybe devourer of galaxies?
ancient dragon
Maybe after the final bosses come out and rebalancing happens, sure.
pure vector
or black holes
proven tide
That took me ten seconds to realise that was me
bitter topaz
doomsayer, DoU and DGY aren't exactly, "intergral" to the plot and could be assumed to be "visions" of what could have been since that's literally what they are iirc
fleet fox
Why are y'all discussing about the future bosses? You can fight them at any tier, no need to move one boss to end-endgame or something because of it's name
fleet fox
^
clever pendant
It's tryna match lore with gameplay by adjusting gameplay
ancient dragon
They're merely put at that tier because of the difficulty from actual testing.
Lore-wise, DoU is likely to be stronger than DGY unless Fab comes out with a proper explanation against it.
pure vector
DoU is the vision of Power
proven tide
What?
ancient dragon
As it stands, they're not fully fleshed-out and trying to argue for a point based on a name is useless.
fleet fox
^
proven tide
They're just visions of what might have happened if you didn't kill them
Not big walking symbols for the pure representations of power, loyalty, and knowledge
😐
ancient dragon
They're quite literally meant to be the bosses but at peak power. Nothing more.
proven tide
^
pure vector
no, I mean they would look like the entity that closest resembles to the trait
not they would look like symbols
gees >.>
ancient dragon
That's not what we're saying.
proven tide
^
fleet fox
Y'all went off topic
ancient dragon
Mingimos banged.
They're not meant to be representations for those characteristics. Their summoning items' names are just to hint at who they could be.
proven tide
There's lore to every boss in the mod. Even — no, especially — the optional one.
proven tide
Just because content isn't necessary to win doesn't mean it should be shoehorned in without any connection besides "what if"
ancient dragon
Anyways, back on-topic. Future bosses aren't fully developed yet, and thus trying to reallocate their position in the game because of what the name implies is not the smartest move.
proven tide
Of course. I'm talking about post-Goozma update, when Draedon and Yharim are already implemented.
pure vector
(It seems like the terrarian had some STRONG mushroom LSD stuff)
ancient dragon
Aye. We'll see about it at that point.
ancient dragon
Quit memeing and going off-topic in here, please.
sinful violet
ayee, I look away for a few minutes
pure vector
Wheres the fun in that...
ancient dragon
Oh, hi Mrrp.
dull kite
is that a mingimos i see
pure vector
looks like... you know what never mind...
fleet fox
Well, please stop with this, this is a channel to discuss suggestions, if you wanna keep talking about that, please change to #calamity-mod-talk
But your suggestion sounds great
pure vector
if it is a vision
ancient dragon
Mingimos banged.
ancient dragon
Is the screen going tinted not enough for you at the moment?
pure vector
currently only npcs are ghosts as well
proven tide
... the ghostly npcs, the shuddering reality, the lighting?
ancient dragon
Thank you, Mrrp.
pure vector
wut.
fleet fox
Thanks
dull kite
that sounds like an excellent suggestion
proven tide
Absolutely
ancient dragon
All part of God's Plan™.
pure vector
no thx, milky npcs are gud enough
proven tide
summoning a Future Boss makes every world set to invisible enemies defiled death armageddon
pure vector
no need to spill milk on the entire screen
ruby cobalt
yes, can we get it done so everyone who was bitching about "nUT eNuFgVg SpesSHUULL effcdz" would also bitch about not seeing shit
sinful violet
Anyhow, just hold back on the suggestions for future bosses.
A bunch is still being figured out.
ancient dragon
Future bosses or Future bosses?
sinful violet
Future Bosses
ancient dragon
🤔
proven tide
oh okay
pure vector
The bosses that are coming up?
proven tide
wellshit fuck me then
sinful violet
god fucking damnit do we need a new name too
fleet fox
No it doesn't, Ass
proven tide
Yes you need a new name
lunar dirge
the background kills eyes tho
ancient dragon
gOD JUST CALL THEM DREAM BOSSES ALREADY SMH.
ruby cobalt
yes
proven tide
as it is it's all fucking headache inducing 
sinful violet
COPYRIGHT
fleet fox
^^^^
pure vector
Dream bosses?
ruby cobalt
copyright my ass
pure vector
More like nightmares...
ancient dragon
© 🍑
lunar dirge
Keeit future bosses whychanging the name
sinful violet
I can't copyright your ass drh
proven tide
#calamity-mod-talk holy shit ffs
ruby cobalt
with how many references are there copyright means nothing at this point
ancient dragon
Yuh-huh I just did!
ruby cobalt
delete both suggestions, bad
proven tide
Can I tell myself that my DoU idea was at least read?
ruby cobalt
pure vector
Just call it vision so people would shut up about whether or not they can suggest about any bosses that come up later on
(Unless you can't actually make suggestion about bosses that are coming up)
lunar dirge
Bean those that start about the future bosses, done
sinful violet
...what part about "No more stuff on Future Bosses until it's figured out" is not working for ya
lunar dirge
^
ruby cobalt
the part where you don't swing your hammer
ancient dragon
Kill'm, Mrrp.
sinful violet
Yes. Starting now.
pure vector
ok. Why didn't you say so?
sinful violet
🔫 die
clever pendant
pure vector
fleet fox
🗡
sinful violet
Oh ffs people
lunar dirge
Why is the gun pointed ln yourself mrrp
sinful violet
I give up
pure vector
Can we just suggest something else now?
pure vector
What about giving brimstone some freaking clothes...
ancient dragon
No.
proven tide
What do you mean, clothes? What even are those?
pure vector
or armor
ancient dragon
No.
pure vector
cloud had the right idea
proven tide
Cloud only gets armour because she's water
proven tide
Very thin droplets of water
clever pendant
Rock.
proven tide
Brim ele is brimstone
clever pendant
Satan rock basically
proven tide
Cloud is cloud
pure vector
doesn't look like rock to me...
sinful violet
why does this chat devolve into madness every ten minutes
pure vector
except for the rose she sits on
fleet fox
Oh wait, it's off topic again
sinful violet
Brimstone will not be changing. At least, not by a suggestion.
proven tide
Swear to god I'm going to tag Danny and request that he delete this fucking channel
sinful violet
There are plans already.
clever pendant
It's an elemental. She's made out of the stuff she is an elemental of.
This is how elementals work.
sinful violet
Now, shut
clever pendant
THE ARMOR IS TO HOLD HER TOGETHER
low sandal
okay
sinful violet
That's a warn, glitchy
low sandal
if figured it out
sinful violet
try to drop it, and listen more next time
proven tide
I really want to make more Other-type magic weapons
fleet fox
Guys, guys, y'all off topic again, what if someone simply makes a suggestion so this channel can chill?
fleet fox
Every bad suggestion is pain
low sandal
Alright, imma repost an old suggestion of mine, and i want some constructive, on topic criticism
fleet fox
So please, make a good suggestion
pure vector
what about that plot book I once suggested about?
low sandal
this is an idea about summoner becoming a more intense class
This may be a pain to program but if it works out i think itll be p sick
fleet fox
This isn't #suggestions-voting
low sandal
Ik
dull kite
you can still post suggestions here, for criticism
bitter topaz
"untitled document" my favourite
low sandal
Youre supposed to post it here before posting it in #suggestions-voting
Like for criticism yeah
lunar dirge
Anyone got suggestions for throwers lul
pure vector
uhh, sounds a bit complicated...
fleet fox
The suggestions channel is above this channel
ruby cobalt
it actually looks like absolute pain to program due to how terraria handles buffs
lunar dirge
I dont have any and we ned accessories
ancient crow
I got a suggestion
proven tide
OH MY GOD I HAVE AN IDEA FOR ONCE HOLY SHIT
Astrageldon drop: an Astral jelly-crystal that fires lasers in six slightly separate directions, like the Last Prism but instead of them slowly centralising they just pulse
ancient crow
Imma post it soon
clever pendant
The better ones are always complicated.
ancient dragon
How is posting something here in order to forge your suggestion to its prime complicated?
pure vector
the current suggestion looks a bit complicated
low sandal
elder mist
wht
ancient dragon
Oh.
pure vector
I ain't juggling several tomes just to be a good summoner
ancient dragon
Good comprehension, me.
dull kite
congrats vetus, now go for it
proven tide
It needs refining
low sandal
it looks like a p solid concept, i think imma post it in #suggestions-voting
More pain for fabsol 
elder mist
the tldr is that it's going to be ass garbage to code
low sandal
yup
elder mist
because it's not just a "hold this item and you get a buff"
clever pendant
Maybe it could be Last Prism plus Astrageldon jelly?
pure vector
Maybe something like to manually control your summon to follow your mouse if it relies on contact damage, or fires at the cursor on a key press?
hybrid cipher
that would also be absolute hell because of how summons work
elder mist
i think drh is right in that it's ass due to how terraria handles buffs
pure vector
or is there a vanilla function for that already?
proven tide
@clever pendant I was actually thinking just a straight drop from Astrageldon
low sandal
perhaps i should find a different way for my concept to be used
ancient crow
I posted a thing
low sandal
proven tide
Like the Nebulash is a weaker variant of thatonesolarflailwhosenameiforget
ruby cobalt
solar eruption
proven tide
that one
ancient dragon
weaker
clever pendant
Why not both? Becaude I know people are gonna wanna craft it if possible
elder mist
weaker
sinful violet
pure vector
maybe an accessory that disables all summon's automatic targetting systems and requires you to use your mouse and a certain keybind to control your summons
ruby cobalt
then you should realize the fact that nebulash is actually a better version of solar eruption
pure vector
but buffs the summons to compensate
proven tide
am I thinking of the wrong one
hybrid cipher
that would also be hell to code
there's not much you can do for summoner because of how they work
ancient crow
Idea: make the siren waifu controllable like the stardust armor set bonus
elder mist
the removal of auto targetting you have to manually go to all minions and change their AI's
hybrid cipher
summons alone are a huge codememe anyway
dull kite
@fleet fox is that a meme suggestion
elder mist
which needless to say is a huge timesink
sinful violet
via
fleet fox
No
clever pendant
Summoner is satan to code fro. What U get
sinful violet
ffs
bitter topaz
sinful violet
How is that not a meme
proven tide
jesus fuck this is all just cancer
ancient crow
@fleet fox joostmod beyond the forgotten ages already does that
proven tide
There's one message in forty that is productive
low sandal
Alright, edited the way the tome functions, what'dya think now?
ruby cobalt
welcome to #suggestions-voting, I guess
proven tide
Can we please get to suggesting suggestions
clever pendant
Be the one instead of the forty
elder mist
ok nvm drh already told me
clever pendant
@wanton sun I agree but the beginning star means a Cool Person™ already wants it in the game.
low sandal
that's way more simple, I believe
proven tide
@clever pendant Actually they're obliged to star any non-meme non-effortless suggestions
lunar dirge
Idea: ninja belt, has 12% damage and let you dodge, crafted with counter scarf and uhh something else i guess
clever pendant
Oh...
pure vector
I still don't want to switch back and forth between tomes just for a better dps
sinful violet
I mean
ruby cobalt
so essentially what you're trying to come to is weaponout's banners
pure vector
How on earth would you be able to pay attention to the tomes
lunar dirge
I wanted to say thrower emblem but that thing doesnt ecist
sinful violet
We could just only star the things we want ingame
elder mist
it's just clicking 2 buttons
sinful violet
But that'd mean the people don't vote
elder mist
what do you mean lmao
low sandal
its still better than doing nothin than watching your summs do the work aint it
elder mist
all other classes already do that for the most part
sinful violet
At this point, I don't see why the people should vote 
low sandal
i mean yeah its similar to the banners but it actually requires the player to do sth
pure vector
you still have to dodge as a summoner you know
elder mist
between their main weapon + rod of discord
pure vector
you just dont have to AIM
low sandal
just like any other class
elder mist
yeah, which means you have a lot more freedom as a summoner
to hold whatever you want
you're just proving my point my man
pure vector
Summoners can focus on other things than aiming at the boss, at the cost of weaker dps usually...
clever pendant
It adds challenge to the class that ia missing from it compared to the rest.
pure vector
Summoner class itself is just for people who don't like to aim
but like to focus on staying alive
low sandal
This is merely my opinion, but i consider summoner as one of the most boring classes, due to the fact that, as you mentioned, dont require to do anything else other than dodging
The specific mechanic that i recommended isnt all that unique or rather good, yeah
elder mist
that argument is mostly mute when most late game weapons in calamity have homing capabilities
and even in hard mode there's stuff like chloro bullets
wanton sun
well what else would a summoner do
hybrid cipher
summoner is probably the easiest class along with melee tbh
proven tide
ranged?
low sandal
yeah, I agree
elder mist
you don't really have to aim all that well
wanton sun
a summoner summons things they dont fight
clever pendant
insert facetanking joke
low sandal
thats why summoner needs a new mechanic, thats just my opinion tho
elder mist
the problem is coding said new mechanic
hybrid cipher
melee is like ranged but they have way better defense and stats and don't have to worry about anything running out except buffs @proven tide
elder mist
assuming the timesink is worth it, it will more than likely have a fuckload of bugs
proven tide
🤔
clever pendant
"Oh, hey, wanna kill the boss faster? Well for the low low price of the blood sweat and tears of the Devs, and a little bit of your focus, you can do exactly that without aiming!"
clever pendant
If implemented it would be risk/reward.
hybrid cipher
not much less dps tbh
proven tide
How about we significantly decrease the defence of summoner armour because hey, if the best Vanilla summoner set gets barely half the defence of the best Vanilla melee set, why should the modded summoners get off lightly?
elder mist
the only real power drops of ranged is on exo-tier and terra shiv / forbidden oathblade
hybrid cipher
and dps isn't everything unless you're a HARDCORE GAMER PLAYER
like you since you're DI
hybrid cipher
pre-ml tier
elder mist
dps is everything, no arguments there 
hybrid cipher
some people don't care that much about dps and just want an easier boss fight
low sandal
Then how about summoner weapons? I mean this idea must've been suggested countless and countless of times but
hybrid cipher
there are people who don't care about HRRR NOHITTING EPIC GAMER you know
lunar dirge
how about thrower accessories
low sandal
nerfing summoner overall and giving the class guns to make up for that would be p ok
hybrid cipher
thrower stuff i can agree on
proven tide
how about weather
elder mist
i know, but those people usually get away just fine with using titanium armor + counter scarf
dodgetanking is more than enough for pratically all boss fights
dull kite
how about you make a thrower accessory suggestion that is cool
hybrid cipher
titanium armor vs dog oooo
elder mist
...were you not the one that just said pre-ml tier?
hybrid cipher
i was making a joke
proven tide
It's literal calamity, everything is chaos, and it feels like reality itself is starting to fall apart post-Servants — why not have storm mechanics?
elder mist
besides, defense is largely irrelevant in post ML anyways
hybrid cipher
still counts
elder mist
you'll die in 4-5 hits in rev and 3 hits in death no matter the class
so i believe my argument that dps matters is still relevant, as more dps = boss dies faster = less trouble for the people fighting the boss
hybrid cipher
so you're telling me going full glass cannon makes it easier for people who aren't absolute 0.1% top 100 players
elder mist
no, not full glass cannon
hybrid cipher
but that gives you more dps
lunar dirge
Idea: ninja belt, crafted with the counter scarf and some ninja stuff idk yet), it gives the counter scarf ability to dodge and removes the true melee damage boost of counter scarf, it will give a thrower boost though
elder mist
the original argument was that melee was better for newer players, correct?
because it makes you tankier
hybrid cipher
yes
elder mist
at the cost of less dps
hybrid cipher
in nearly every case it is
elder mist
problem: being tankier doesn't matter anything when all your tankiness comes from your accessories rather than armor
at least in post ML
hybrid cipher
post ml is meme anyway 
elder mist
because the only defense worthwhile in post ml is damage reduction
ruby cobalt
while we're at it lets also give CV his DR on expert-
dull kite
hahaues
night cradle
CV DR was fixed iirc
ashen warren
Yeah it's a bad idea for a mod to expand into other content beyond its scope, it just causes problems with other mods
ashen warren
to balance it make him teleport less
however i think fab said they weren't going to add projectiles to slimey
also weather would be sick in a separate mod
calm loom
Mini boss suggestion
They aren’t allowed I guess
So I deleted it
Sad, I had a good idea too
ashen warren
"Boss suggestions will never be accepted." not "mini-boss"
quiet abyss
Bosses aren't allowed, period.
Minibosses however, are ok and do have extremely small chances of getting in if my memory is not failing me
calm loom
Oh
ashen warren
Besides your suggestion was actually good
quiet abyss
I was able to star it smh
ashen warren
though they should drop loot
calm loom
Well as long as it’s possible, I copied the suggestion just in case
quiet abyss
Nice
calm loom
Gimme a min
The loot is the only problem
I don’t know exactly what it should drop
Or them
I’d love some ideas
white laurel
Great sand shark was a suggestion, and that made it in
Minibosses are definitely allowed
calm loom
Oh really?
quiet abyss
Eeyup
Great Sand Shark was a suggestion that someone made, Fabsol liked it and add it in
ashen warren
Weapons aren't really needed imo
ashen warren
Pre ml lunar armor?
quiet abyss
Maybe something like:
"Each miniboss will drops 10-15 lunar fragments corresponding to their respective pillars. If post-ml, they'll also drop 30-40 luminites (not bars)"
calm loom
Yeah I was thinking exactly that!
calm loom
Pinkie mine if I take your idea?
quiet abyss
Sure go ahead
quiet abyss
Hmm...30-40 a miniboss would mean 120-160 luminites, which would mean 30-40 luminite bars per lunar event.
Ye, sounds great for farming
quiet abyss
Pretty much ye
calm loom
Thanks again for the drop suggestion
Sorry I don’t know your actual username
But I’m sure that they’ll recognize you
quiet abyss
I'm pretty much the only "Pinkie" that's active here anyway lmao