suggestions-discussion

[night cradle]

okay then.

[bitter drift]

but good point

[night cradle]

also, I can't read

[bitter drift]

here

[quiet abyss]

Mfw people put 2 or more items in their suggestions and keep it one post instead of separate

[bitter drift]

that what i do but with 5-3 instead of 2

[quiet abyss]

Putting more than 1 items into one post in #suggestions-voting is a bad idea.
If a person likes one of the items in that suggestion, but dislikes other items, then either of these two will happen:
1.) That person will be forced to star all items in that one suggestion post, giving devs the wrong idea. The devs would be wondering which item people actually want, and which one people don't want, cause all items have the same amount of stars due to all being one post.
2.) The person won't star it cause they don't want to star something they don't like.

Someone pin this pls it'll help a bunch of people, whether it be the one making suggestions or the one starring them

[dull kite]

yes assuming people read the pins here

sorry i cant pin it

[bitter drift]

and with me it's if i do everything like you are saying there will be a full screen of suggestions from me

[sleek wigeon]

You need 10 of them +8 armored plating to make 5 cosmilite bars.
Dropped by Storm Weaver at 0-3 per kill. "0-3 per kill)

Thats uh'

not alot

alternitively you could have armored shells craft into cosmilitite with stuff from the post doggo moon events

[quiet abyss]

^

[sleek wigeon]

10 dam

post plant?

[quiet abyss]

He prolly meant to have the weapon not deal a lot of damage, and more of a utility weapon

[sleek wigeon]

Yeah but your rolling in hecking abyss weapons and dungeon loot post plant

why trap an enemy when you can just

kill them?

[quiet abyss]

🤷

[thorn brook]

If it is a higher enemy from say, pml, you can't really kill them all the quick, so you trap them to buy time

[sleek wigeon]

Except you can

you do such ludicrous amounts of dps postml

[thorn brook]

You're right and the gun needs tweaking anyway

Dmg is way too low for its tier

[dull kite]

you suggested bignade yesterday

[bitter drift]

said that but i gave a reason for it also i'm not done

yes i got even more grenades staff

[vague olive]

Use a doc

[quiet abyss]

^

[bitter drift]

that is why i get all of my suggestions in one place and
1 i do not know or have a doc to put them in
2 most of my suggestions will be on docs if that is the way
3 no one even looks at docs

[proven tide]

Regardless of inconvenience for you, it's just against the rules

[dull kite]

People read docs.

[proven tide]

^

that too

[dull kite]

yeah just make a grenade doc instead of just putting 456,240,169 suggestions in a row

[proven tide]

^

[ruby cobalt]

1. do it
2. yes
3. no

how does that answer your "questions"

[bitter drift]

these are my problems no questions and no q 1

[proven tide]

@bitter drift It doesn't matter how inconvenient it is for you, it breaks the rules.

[bitter drift]

it brake a rule that idk how to follow so it's beast to go back to one long suggestion

[quiet abyss]

...Uh what?

[deft jasper]

what idiocy did i return to

[quiet abyss]

"It breaks a rule that idk how to not break"

❓

[proven tide]

How to not break it is in the post. Make a google document.

[placid stag]

Hey, what's up

[bitter drift]

look at #suggestions-voting to see what is up

[deft jasper]

i love how none of the suggestions even have more than 1 star either

[proven tide]

exactly

[placid stag]

Oh, neat

[bitter drift]

guess pinky pie really loved the grand nades suggestions

[quiet abyss]

Nah...

[proven tide]

No, it's just the job of CDs to star all the non-zero-effort suggestions for others to be able to star them

[quiet abyss]

I have to star every suggestions that aren't stupid/meme/low effort

[bitter drift]

really no effort to these guy

[proven tide]

Google

docs

please

[bitter drift]

if you hate that i'm not using docs just get used to it
i'm bad at these sort of staff idk how to do it

[proven tide]

https://docs.google.com

[tired haven]

Not like we told you 10 times how to

[proven tide]

^^

[bitter drift]

SORRY to brake it for ya

[proven tide]

You're the one in the wrong here — you're breaking a rule because you simply aren't listening to what we're saying

It's right there

https://docs.google.com/

Use it

[bitter drift]

no i'm braking a rule idk how to follow

[proven tide]

You follow it by taking the link

[quiet abyss]

"I don't know how to do it, so I'll continue to break the rules"
...That's...what?

[proven tide]

^^

[quiet abyss]

I can't even...?

I'm out. NOPE, I'M OUTTA HERE!

[deft jasper]

can we like

get him kicked yet

[proven tide]

FFS

[vague olive]

Just ping a mod

[deft jasper]

or his suggestions deleted

[neon panther]

@restive coral help us out, also is this warn-worthy?

[proven tide]

@hybrid cipher non-memetag (woa)

[deft jasper]

[proven tide]

Please, mr. ass grass, this is getting out of hand

[hybrid cipher]

what

[quiet abyss]

Scroll up and read what happened

[hybrid cipher]

what happened

[vague olive]

Adir refusing to put his suggestions in a doc

[hybrid cipher]

oh

[tired haven]

Well ok let's try this

1. enter the google docs site
2. start new document (pretty sure you already open it upon entering site)
3. copy paste all your ideas in here
4. add a fitting title and file name
5. polish out the editing of doc (on your taste
6. copy a link to the doc and paste it in #suggestions-voting
   Congratulations, you killed a plant made your suggestions gathered together in document and they now make much more sense while being compact

[proven tide]

@bitter drift and the incessant flooding #suggestions-voting with suggestions that are both space-wasters and low enough effort to never go anywhere

And refusing to fix it

[hybrid cipher]

@bitter drift quit the low effort suggestions and don't flood the channel

[proven tide]

Because he 'doesn't know how' to follow the orders of follow the link https://docs.google.com/

[quiet abyss]

I tried to help adir improve, I really do

[deft jasper]

[bitter drift]

i'm in the link and no way to continue from the starting page

[deft jasper]

hurts

[bitter drift]

just now i managed to make a file

[placid stag]

Good job

Now just Copy and Paste what you wrote to the Doc

[bitter drift]

now what

[ancient dragon]

omega_brain.png

[quiet abyss]

sigh

[neon panther]

possessed again

[bitter drift]

told you i'm horrible at this

[deft jasper]

[proven tide]

@bitter drift You need to make a shareable link

[bitter drift]

what now

[proven tide]

A link where we can see the document

that's the personal edit link for your account

[bitter drift]

in the top just click

[proven tide]

what

[bitter drift]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vYbgKBIjHv2cHMEZBfndqnIWKT9Htc9TqDxZv8X_h4Q/edit <--------
this is the link

[proven tide]

That's your personal edit link. We can't read that.

In the top right of the page, select the button "share" and then select "get shareable link"

@devout seal Could you please rephrase the weapon description? It's a bit of a vague run-on sentence and took a couple of re-reads to understand.

[bitter drift]

now is that good

[devout seal]

I can't really explain it any better, but i can try.

[quiet abyss]

Pretty nice suggestion, but might wanna put both the weapon and projectile sprites in the same picture. That way they'll be sent to the devs too

[proven tide]

^

[bitter drift]

asteral de ass did i fucking fixed it

[quiet abyss]

Hmm...so basically a weapon where you fire it, then switch to other weapons while the orb do its thing.

Like a support weapon

[proven tide]

Firing this staff fires a single large projectile which then proceeds to just move until it hits an enemy or a wall. If it hits a wall, it'll bounce off, and a smaller projectile will spawn and begin to orbit the main projectile. This can happen up to 9 times, with the 9th bounce having bursting the main projectile upon impact and having the small 'bolts' fly off, behaving like faster Water Bolt projectiles. These ricocheting smaller projectiles only bounce twice.

Tadahh

Just a slight grammar tweak to make it easier to read

[devout seal]

I edited it to be less of a run-on sentence.

[proven tide]

or that

[devout seal]

I'd need to re-post it to have all the sprites in the same thing, though.

[quiet abyss]

Eh it's fine.

[proven tide]

^

[quiet abyss]

For this kind of repost it's alright

[proven tide]

Awesome @bitter drift

Now if you could do that with all of your larger suggestions that'd be great

👍

[quiet abyss]

That formatting 👀
...Eh, it's readable, good enough.

[dull kite]

yeah, more docs pls

[devout seal]

There, all sent in the same thing.

[bitter drift]

so basically you want me to torcher my self every time i fucking type there

[dull kite]

if you’re going to make 25 related suggestions at a time then yes

[quiet abyss]

It's not that bad once you get used to it.

Infact

[devout seal]

Also, Yes.

[quiet abyss]

You might wanna limit to just one or two suggestions per day

[devout seal]

it's basically a weapon that's not meant to be constantly fired.

[dull kite]

Star it pinkie

[proven tide]

^

[quiet abyss]

...It's still separated

[bitter drift]

it's time consuming it's confusing
it's annoying it's just nonsense

[proven tide]

It's the rule and you have to deal.

[dull kite]

it’s to make it so the chat doesn’t flood, adir

[proven tide]

Thirteen thousand users. There has to be anti-flood rules regardless of mild annoyances.

[bitter drift]

mild

[devout seal]

I posted them in the same message.

It's impossible to have them not be separate.

[quiet abyss]

Oof

[proven tide]

Or you could put them into a single image?

It would require a bit of caption magic, though

:/

[quiet abyss]

Not really

[devout seal]

It's obvious what plays what role in my suggestion, though

[quiet abyss]

Wait hold up, I'll do it for ya

Gimme a bit

[proven tide]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[quiet abyss]

Then I'll dm

[dull kite]

I mean considering it’s devs (afaik) instead of the bot sending suggestions the sprites should still get sent with them

[devout seal]

Though, i'm unsure how you're meant to get this weapon in the first place.

[proven tide]

uhh

hmm

[quiet abyss]

🤷 Just make it craft from...solar fragments and smth

[proven tide]

Post-Cultist? Specifically?

[quiet abyss]

It's sun related

[devout seal]

Yeah, post cultist

[proven tide]

solar is melee only

hmm

[dull kite]

solar on mage hahaues

[ruby cobalt]

there's already enough weapons that completely ignore that bullshit

[worthy fiber]

not like calamity cares which class for which fragment

[dull kite]

idrk what would fit that theme

[worthy fiber]

Essence/Core of Cinder

and uh something

[dull kite]

make it from sand and some desert feathers

or it could drop? but from what

[devout seal]

It could drop from the solar pillar itself

or a rare drop from crawltipedes.

[bitter drift]

maybe a drop from the lunatic autist

it's not the first one

[deft jasper]

what

[ruby cobalt]

[worthy fiber]

ahaha

[restive coral]

@neon panther it's fine, seems it's fixed

[proven tide]

yeetus wins

[devout seal]

Alright, re-doing the suggestion to where all of it can be accessed easily.

[quiet abyss]

Nice 👍

Good job. Feels refreshing to see someone atleast put decent effort into the suggestion.

[devout seal]

How's the sprite?

I've felt a bit iffy on it for a bit.

[quiet abyss]

I'm not a spriter, so I can't give criticisms or anything.
Looks good to me though

[devout seal]

y'don't need to be, I was just askin if it was good or not.

[quiet abyss]

Mmk

[devout seal]

Alright, now just to wait to see if the corona staff i made gets to 35 stars.

[steep island]

@proven tide Very late but we already do have something to commemerate wish

[proven tide]

Oh?

[steep island]

Was one of his favorite emotes and danny added it right after it all happened

[worthy fiber]

ah

[proven tide]

I meant in the mod itself Yeah, I was the one that made it

Kinda felt like that went a bit under the radar, all things considered, and I don't want him to just fade into the background so soon

[bitter drift]

maybe do a mini gun that shoot sand

[ashen warren]

Mini Sand

[bitter drift]

tbh that what i named it

[vague olive]

I love mining my whole desert to use a gun

[proven tide]

^

Especially one that clutters the world

[bitter drift]

i love mining my desert to destroy the desert scourge

[ashen warren]

oof

Just build some platforms

[bitter topaz]

@restive karma not a very good suggestion, not because it's bad, but due to fab's mind set

[ruby cobalt]

no, don't delete it, keep it as is

[bitter topaz]

fab will only add furniture to the mod if someone else sprites and programs the stuff

[restive karma]

I said they don't have to add it. But it always there. They already made the other furniture sets

[ruby cobalt]

programs

there isn't much to be programmed in furniture, eh?

copypasting the code should suffice

[bitter topaz]

iirc terraria doesn't like code being copy-pasted

[ruby cobalt]

in some cases - yeah

cue stardust dragon's code

I doubt that copypasting would break furniture

if it actually will break it - well fuck, relogic did a damn good job on creating a clusterfuck

[restive karma]

And isn't blame me for makin the suggestion

[ruby cobalt]

nah, not blaming you

I doubt anyone would blame you, it's actually a good suggestion that flows along with what we have now

[crude quartz]

Copy pasting furniture code is stable

because it’s a tile and not a mechanic of the game

[steady iris]

Can you Don't

[ashen warren]

It has made its arrival

[desert geyser]

There’s no star on the last suggestion and I wanna vote, sad.

[sleek wigeon]

10/10 suggestion

Call trial mods bad, im down

[bitter topaz]

[neon panther]

that’s even better holy shit

nice suggestions friend

[hybrid cipher]

@rancid edge you're supposed to warn him for meme suggestions and carrying on things

[rancid edge]

oh rip

[hybrid cipher]

you have to warn people before muting them

he's here now, warn him

[rancid edge]

@last haven keep all conversation on topic to the room.

[hybrid cipher]

now log it in #idiot-log

there's a format in pins

[inner rover]

wait, warn who?

[worthy fiber]

the mod training dumdum

[inner rover]

ok

I just read the pins

I will repost, but one thing at a time.

[worthy fiber]

👍

[worthy fiber]

Arkhalis recipe isn't needed, there's already Planetoid shrines & Cosmic elemental

[night cradle]

^

[sleek wadi]

A recipe for the Ankh Shield components wasn't needed either as you could just zerg all the pieces, but they're still there. The recipe would be a QoL thing, nothing more.

And those 2 sources are both pretty unreliable. I either have to roll a 1/10 chance once per world or have to deal with a 1/1000 droprate for something that you wouldn't use past the mech bosses.

[quasi fable]

@rustic panther ask someone to make a patch mod

[sleek wigeon]

The ankh sheild recipes came before zerg, didnt they?

Maybe?

Im not sure

[tired haven]

Mfw flamebeak pickham is nice way to show why hamdrax isn't a thing in 1.2+

[digital saddle]

yeah

hamdrax was super badly thought out

[tired haven]

Not really, it was fine in 1.1

Since there were no slopes and hammer only removed walls/furniture/crystal hearts

[night cradle]

Ye

Damn I wish that Hamdrax was like in 1.1. now...

[quasi fable]

you needed axes to remove wood blocks

that was awful

[devout seal]

It was.

[fleet fox]

Well, @gritty crow, that would be great, but for now the auras seem enough, but I loved your suggestion 😄

[gritty crow]

I’m just thinking in terms of revengence, since the big thing there is rage and adrenaline. It could be a consumable like the other drops, or it could upgrade draedon’s heart

[fleet fox]

Well, that would be great

And it would also kinda make sense

[bitter drift]

tbh i tried

[fleet fox]

But it's a really good suggestion, I support you, adir 😄

[bitter drift]

not this the legendary summon weapon thing

[restive karma]

Is it bad? I'm out of ideas

[bitter drift]

no it isn't just something someone tried
at least i did 2 times

[restive karma]

Explain?

[bitter drift]

i posted in #suggestions-voting 2 legendary summon weapon non of them got in

[fleet fox]

I mean, if every other class gets a legendary weapon, summoners should also get a legendary weapon

[restive karma]

Ikr

[bitter drift]

i know

[fleet fox]

And it's really sad to hear that, adir

[bitter drift]

it isn't that bad

[fleet fox]

Doh, I can't be the first one staring a suggestion

[tight chasm]

@last haven No meme suggestions

[restive karma]

Please no memes.

[bitter drift]

well this is a boss suggestion and a meme suggestion

[fleet fox]

Oh, it's a training dummie

[restive karma]

Oof

[bitter drift]

well he is getting band

or is it his first one

[fleet fox]

Not so fast, I believe he'd get warned first

[cyan lagoon]

do not interfere with mod training

thank

[bitter drift]

it is a boss suggestion and a meme suggestion
the lord is a meme

[tight chasm]

We have stated several times in this server that the LORDE is never being re-added, and considered a bad meme

[fleet fox]

@bitter drift It's training, try not interfering, sorry

[bitter drift]

wow you sassy bitch

@fleet fox what

[tight chasm]

please calm down before this escalates further

[fleet fox]

Sorry, Syg

[bitter drift]

i'm ok with forgiving but pls do not call people in mean names

if you need to take anger you can mock video game bosses

well back to suggestions
i tried to get in the game summon legendary weapons didn't work out guess calamity fans doesn't kile summons

[restive karma]

chicken staff

[bitter topaz]

summon weapons are a hard sell in general

due to a mixture of them being hard to design well and sympathy for whatever poor sap has to program the thing

[restive karma]

I was thinking of making it a moon Lord legendary

[bitter drift]

how much is 6 5 and 29 stars in summon suggestions

[sinful violet]

Cobalion

Is that a meme reaction I see

[quasi fable]

hmm

so

darksun ring+celestioal stone?

good/bad idea?

[tired haven]

Meh because dark sun is meta as it is

[quasi fable]

they do the same things

which is why it annoys me a little

maybe if it included it in the recipe

[cyan lagoon]

what the fuc

i thought it was a star

not a pepe emote

i am confused @sinful violet

[sinful violet]

[cyan lagoon]

fixed

[bitter drift]

also @cyan lagoon is it rude to say that your pic is terrifying me

[cyan lagoon]

no

[hollow shell]

@neon panther There is no "Hive Rocket"

[neon panther]

crap

[restive karma]

So yharims drone?

[restive karma]

The lightning staff already exists

[tribal iron]

oh

i didnt know

[ashen warren]

why tho

[calm temple]

because yharon

[ashen warren]

summoning post ml is already good enough

[white laurel]

Sounds like it would just cause confusion and inconsistency

[calm temple]

Have you tried yharon as summoner for yourself?

[frosty kindle]

@calm temple try make your suggestion more descriptive. I see where you're trying to go with it, but a little more detail would be good. (e.g what the summon does)

also mechworm is good enough, but i can understand why you want a summon to better go against yharon

[calm temple]

there

[frosty kindle]

there ye go 👍
a statis' belt buff was kinda needed too

[calm temple]

also mechworm is buggy

[heady comet]

Have elemental axes fire non-piercing projectiles instead of being piercing to not mute the damage caused by other axes ;-;

Dps cap on elemental axes is 4000 because of that lol

[frosty kindle]

yeah i did a suggestion, which said for the mechworm to be able to fire lasers for more consistent DPS against bosses, it got 50+ stars but didnt get in (likely due to the bot being down)

wait, ele axe shoots projectiles?

or are THEY the projectile..

[heady comet]

It is the projectile

[frosty kindle]

ah, so like brittle star on steroids

[heady comet]

They take up immune frames so 5 axes deal the same as 10

[sinful violet]

Or because coding that would be omega pain wiz

[calm temple]

Raising the mechworm damage cap to 15 summon slots could also work.

[white laurel]

Mechworm is already a meme

[frosty kindle]

@sinful violet explain why ST managed to get a worm-type minion with segments shooting fireballs then

[white laurel]

I dont see how you would be

[sinful violet]

Because ST has time for that

[white laurel]

I dont see how you would be having problems with yharon

Connection

[sinful violet]

[frosty kindle]

i could undertsand tho, my suggestion pointed out require gambling for the mechworm to get damage

[crude quartz]

mrrp it literally took Dan like 2 minutes to code that

[calm temple]

@heady comet I used a modded accessory that makes summons ignore invincibility frames. the axes aren't much better.

[frosty kindle]

anyways gotta go guys, cya 👋

[crude quartz]

peace out

[heady comet]

Piercing does wierd things that make immune frames also weird

Why not just rework mechworm staff into a sentry that fires worms tbh

[lucid marsh]

Yeah, then make apotheosis a summon weapon that summons the whole devoured of gods (or at least the storm weaver) to fight for you

[dull kite]

what no

[heady comet]

what yes

[hearty coyote]

but make the the DoG summoned a robot version of DoG and call it the mechworm staff

[earnest raptor]

Emmm

DoGgy not robot?

[ashen warren]

Cuteness has arrived

[ancient dragon]

Sprite's really not that good, and the animation is hella rough.

[inner rover]

i tried...

[ancient dragon]

Not saying you didn't.

[inner rover]

ok, ill delete it, and try to improve it

[gritty crow]

@wide patrol Someone uses a good mod I see

[placid stag]

Yay for Alchemist

When you are tired of brewing shit

And the memes

[gritty crow]

I said nothing

[ancient dragon]

good
AlchNPC

[crude quartz]

[ashen warren]

Furniture is so fun to make, especially when you are making a lot of it

Wrong channel shit

[idle obsidian]

You mean coding and spriting or you mean building?

[ashen warren]

Spriting

[idle obsidian]

Can be, yes

[ashen warren]

Its a lot, so its not all done

BUT ONCE ITS DONE, I will suggest it all in one go, bringing people at peace with their desires

[wide patrol]

Separate suggestions

[ashen warren]

Nope

Its going to be one giant suggestion

[untold solar]

2000 character cap though. Whoever implemented that is a being of purest evil.

[wide patrol]

hide

[placid stag]

Oof

Shouldn't you just put that in a doc?

[ashen warren]

Ill post a zip, and post a separate message with the image showing peeps whats in said zip

Ion did this already, so :P

[untold solar]

But how will we rate it and discern the parts we like?

[ashen warren]

Its an entire furniture set, its kinda give or take i guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ancient dragon]

Don't star it if the entire suggestion isn't to your liking and the creator isn't willing to change it after you've made suggestions. /shrug

[ashen warren]

Yeah

[untold solar]

Yay indirect democracy(?)

[ashen warren]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Im nowhere near done with the furniture set, so you'll have to wait

[wide patrol]

Brimling is a dev item apparently

[ashen warren]

_> Du fuck

[ancient dragon]

The tornado still just looks like a spazzing blob.
Also yeah pet suggestions are almost exclusively reserved for devs iirc.

[ashen warren]

Lemme look at the rules

[wide patrol]

And oxymerc left

[inner rover]

Young Siren isn't a dev pet tho

[ancient dragon]

It's a light pet and it has a functional use that isn't vanity.

It's pretty crucial for Abyss exploration.

[ashen warren]

And?

Some people dont use baby siren even because of that

[inner rover]

The cloud baby pet got its over 35 stars, can you just let me have this please?

[ashen warren]

Yeah

[ancient dragon]

Fab doesn't like coding vanity items. If you do code it, I'm not exactly sure how it'd even go over.

@worthy raptor What's the consensus on this?

[worthy raptor]

about vanity shit?

[ashen warren]

The rules dont say anything against pet items so :/

[ancient dragon]

Ye.

Also a suggestion getting 35 stars doesn't mean it's gonna get in.

[worthy raptor]

ye fab dislikes coding it, but he's added vanity stuff that people wanted that others coded in the past, so if he/others like it and you do all the work then it could be added. Not sure about pets though, they're usually reserved for devs n'd stuff

[wide patrol]

At least it's not as stupid as calamitous essence suggestions

[ashen warren]

LOL

[frosty kindle]

idk about pet suggestions, whether for them to be added or not

[ancient dragon]

Thy hath thine answer.

[ashen warren]

Well, until the rules say that Pets are dev items, people will still suggest them

[inner rover]

all I am able to do is sprites and animating them...

[frosty kindle]

also alexis your pfp is

[ancient dragon]

Thanks, Fishbunjin. <3

Coding a pet isn't hard. Like, at all.

[wide patrol]

Consider pets dev or gone. Light pet slot is taken.

[frosty kindle]

just ctrl + c and ctrl + v
just replace texture

[ashen warren]

Imma jut go make furniture sprites some more

[ancient dragon]

Also, can we just make it a rule not to suggest pets until Fab speaks out about it himself?

[worthy raptor]

ye, it's just EVERY pet item that's been made has been made for a dev or other such role, so just think about that before suggesting something. It's the same thing as calamitous essence suggestions

[inner rover]

That woudn't be fair on me

[frosty kindle]

a temporary one, probably
thats up to admins to decide whether pet suggestions are allowed or not

[ancient dragon]

It's not fair on anyone. Can't do much about it, really.

[inner rover]

I spent ages making these things

[ashen warren]

Why are pets so prized when they are practically functionless?

Thats bullshit

[ancient dragon]

Your emotional/time investment isn't relevant.

[wide patrol]

Coot

[worthy raptor]

to be fair, it was never guaranteed to get in in the first place, even if pets were accepted

just because you made something for the mod doesn't mean it's 100% gonna get in

[ancient dragon]

Yes. Again, getting 35 stars doesn't mean your suggestion will be implemented.

[wide patrol]

All signs point to no in pet suggestions. Mostly dev, fabsol hates vanity, waifus are dead memes.

[worthy raptor]

getting 35 stars lets dev people know that people are interested in this suggestion

[inner rover]

The reason I even made them is because just having 2 elemental babies didn't feel complete

[ashen warren]

Yeah, and i helped him on this

[inner rover]

So I made the other 3

WE did

[ashen warren]

Ye

[ancient dragon]

That's fine, but it still doesn't mean they're obligated to add them. Like, at all.

[inner rover]

me and Beetle

[deft jasper]

this suggestion was already suggested

and accepted

for every waifu

so

[ashen warren]

_> When

[deft jasper]

its kinda stupid to suggest again

[inner rover]

what, the babies?

[worthy raptor]

it's up to fab and the other devs, we're just saying it's unlikely considering the state of all other pet items

[inner rover]

I thought I was the only one to make the babies?

[deft jasper]

a while ago

no

[ashen warren]

I have not seen anythin

[west rock]

Gentlemen, please.

[bitter drift]

if you ask me i still don't get why there are 2 sand elementals

[ashen warren]

^

[ancient dragon]

Neither do we.

[ashen warren]

Replace one Sandy with Earthy

[wide patrol]

One sfw one wasn't enough

[bitter drift]

na maybe icy or jungle

[wide patrol]

Apparently

[deft jasper]

oh wait a minute

wait

wait

[ashen warren]

Ice Elemental is a vanilla enemy

[inner rover]

I doubt anything will change with that

[bitter drift]

do you think we are going off topic

[deft jasper]

@inner rover i didnt know you were the same guy that made the first suggestions for the baby elementals

sorry

[vague olive]

I dont think rare sandy would be replaced since oxy wanted to keep it

[ashen warren]

Which one is rare Sandy

[inner rover]

yup, I made those suggestions over a month ago

rare sandy is the one with the orb

[ashen warren]

Okek

[bitter drift]

but at the same time my o.c.d drives me crazy about this

[ancient dragon]

Anyways, to conclude:
Going by case, pets are almost exclusively dev items or rewards. It's unlikely to get in.

[wide patrol]

Ice, granite, and cosmic elemental are funny

[ancient dragon]

Also

starring your own suggestion
:godlul:

[vague olive]

Alex is why are you a cube

[ashen warren]

offtopic

[ancient dragon]

Nice minimodding.

[ashen warren]

lul

Dont forget the Chaos Elemental

[ancient dragon]

wrong person
minimodding
God-tier.

[ashen warren]

Isnt there 3 ballista's in game already?

[deft jasper]

what

[quiet abyss]

@bitter drift cough cough Ballista towers from OOA cough cough

[ancient dragon]

Sentry weapons =/= sentry tiles.

Y'know, like the Snowball Launcher or the Cannon/Bunny Cannon.

[bitter drift]

there is a ballista summon but this is a setry

[ancient dragon]

Ballista is a sentry summon. You have to specify.

[wide patrol]

Oh a placed sentry

[ancient dragon]

Yes, those.

[wide patrol]

Useless

[ancient dragon]

[worthy raptor]

I actually like the idea

[worthy fiber]

novelty

[deft jasper]

seems familiar this suggestion

i think i've heard it before

[wide patrol]

oh

[deft jasper]

[bitter drift]

this is a sentry like the snow ball canon you click it with something to use it

[worthy raptor]

early game zombie swarms would be fun to mow down with a couple ballistas and some big ol' arrows

[bitter drift]

it isn't automatic

[worthy raptor]

would help a lot if you get a super early blood moon or something

[wide patrol]

ok

[ancient dragon]

I, for one, welcome more placed sentries with open arms.

[worthy fiber]

placed sentries best class

[worthy raptor]

ye ballista turret thingo sounds hot

[worthy fiber]

just change it a little so we can differentiate it from the summoner sentry

[worthy raptor]

call it a "placeable turret" or something

[quiet abyss]

^

[bitter drift]

but it is a ballista

[ancient dragon]

A ballista is a form of turret, you numbnut.

[worthy raptor]

smh alexis no bulli or i'll ask doc to get the spray bottle back out

[ancient dragon]

W-wait please no.

[bitter drift]

the staff isn't called ballista

[worthy fiber]

the minion is

still may cause some confusion

[ancient dragon]

It's incredibly likely to cause confusion to some degree.

[bitter drift]

well got any names

[worthy fiber]

[bitter drift]

and do you want me to get more of this concept out

[worthy fiber]

yeah, it's neat

[bitter drift]

ok these will be an upgrade to it

[worthy raptor]

why not make it a "glaive thrower" or something sexy like that, to make it less ballista-ey but still do the same thing really

[quiet abyss]

Just keep the same concept, but dont make the turrets too similar

[worthy raptor]

is ricochet a thing that can be done in terraria I can't remember off the top of my head

[worthy fiber]

water bolt's projects do that if that's what you meant

[rich prawn]

crystal darts ?

[worthy raptor]

like, bouncing between multiple enemies I mean, aiming for them

[bitter drift]

it is a ballista one of the thing that it's not have in common is the fact that you have to activate it

[worthy raptor]

like rubber cement from BoI or a chain lightning type dealio

[vague olive]

Isnt there already a bow called the ballista

[worthy fiber]

bow and summon

[bitter drift]

it is the marrow

[worthy raptor]

there's a bow called the ballista

marrow is different

[rich prawn]

marrow upgrades into ballista

[vague olive]

Also shadowflame knife does that lompl

[worthy fiber]

!wiki the ballista

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/The_Ballista
Not the correct result? Use !wiki page the ballista for a direct link or !wiki search the ballista for a list of all hits.

[bitter drift]

might as well call it a big slingshot of arrows then

[quiet abyss]

Thats basically what a ballista is

[ashen warren]

Gatling Arrow?

[worthy fiber]

halberd hwacha

[wide patrol]

Shooty Shooty thing from ultimate chicken horse

[worthy fiber]

____ Piercer

[worthy raptor]

but yeah, renaming it as a glaive thrower would fix the ballista issue, plus glaives are cool

[bitter drift]

still out of name and it's hard to get one when there are 2 thing called the same
one is called ballista and the other called the ballista why i can't call it a ballista

[vague olive]

Also is it a summon weapon or something like that cannon

[ashen warren]

I like Glaives

[worthy fiber]

like the cannon

[vague olive]

Ah ok

[worthy fiber]

cuz then ther'll be three ballistas

[ancient dragon]

Two is a coincidence. Three is a pattern.

[worthy fiber]

it's not like it isn't a problem

we're only lucky they're at different points of progression

so we don't grt confused when referring to them

don't think anyone uses either anyway

[worthy raptor]

it would be better to have it be something more interesting anyway, we don't need 3 ballistas, that looks bad

imo anyway

[bitter drift]

the ballista the bow's name
a ballista my sentry's name
ballista the summon's name

[worthy fiber]

it's redundant man

[bitter drift]

well it is like that

[worthy fiber]

it shouldn't be

[worthy raptor]

too many ballistas, even 2 looks kinda dum imo but at least they look different enough to not be super confusing. Two sentry-looking things that basically do the same thing just one is an autofire summon would be much more confusing

[vague olive]

^

[worthy fiber]

☝

[worthy raptor]

it's not that big of a deal to chance the concept slighty anyway, it doesn't have to do anything different, just make it look a little different and fire a different projectile, most of which will be done by spriters if it gets accepted anyway

[bitter drift]

even if it is low effort
it is and let's be honest it's now like you can get a better name
and my is 1 a material 2 bigger

well i'm going to docs it will be a long one

[bitter drift]

it's in with the upgraded versions

[quiet abyss]

...Uh, me saying "If HotE deals much less damage but doesn't steal i frames then it would be good" is just a casual comment

I'm not planning on suggesting it

But uh, okay?

[placid stag]

Lol

Free credit

[night cradle]

How do I make a doc for #suggestions-voting channel?

[ancient dragon]

Very carefully.

[ruby cobalt]

go to gdocs, make a new document, slap everything you want into it, add a title and a description (optional), make a share link that doesn't have editing access, toss it into #suggestions-voting

:yourdidit:

[night cradle]

okie

[bitter drift]

Well ok let's try this

1. enter the google docs site
2. start new document (pretty sure you already open it upon entering site)
3. copy paste all your ideas in here
4. add a fitting title and file name
5. polish out the editing of doc (on your taste
6. copy a link to the doc and paste it in #suggestions-voting
   Congratulations, you killed a plant made your suggestions gathered together in document and they now make much more sense while being compact
   @night cradle the best tutorial you will get

[night cradle]

okie

[ashen warren]

the ballista is a bow , if thats what yall wwre referring to earlier

[ancient dragon]

Someone sure didn't read the whole convo.

[vague olive]

@elder kestrel can i post a demo of the suggestions improvement guide here?

[ashen warren]

lol you right

tl;dr

[elder kestrel]

Yes hello

[ashen warren]

who reads whole conversations anymore

i just read the first two or three and say hey you're wrong

[elder kestrel]

Here's a format you can follow (optional) for your weapon suggestions;
Suggestion: What it does: How it's made/obtained: Why it should be added:

And here's a format you can follow (also optional) for your enemy suggestions;
Suggestion: What it does: Where it's found: What it drops (optional): Why it should be added:

And here's also a format for short suggestions such as "Nerf X" or "Add X to X" (again, optional)
Suggestion: How it works: Why it should be added:

[bitter topaz]

tbh just pin that, i don't think it's in there already

[sturdy dock]

(actually adding stats can be somewhat important to explaining a weapon, but you can say high or low damage instead)

[elder kestrel]

It's already pinned in #suggestions-voting

O true valk

[bitter topaz]

oh

[vague olive]

What no i meant

Ill just send it to you

[elder kestrel]

Ok

[quiet abyss]

@lyric magnet Oh my god why...
Astrageldon is meant to be a warm up boss. It's not meant to be hard.

[ancient dragon]

Rover has been driven into madness by having to star everything.
RIP.

[hollow shell]

And can you suggest a buff in specific, FerociousFlame?
Like, what was easy about the fight that you think could be harder?

(lol)

[ancient dragon]

You were a good soul, Rover.

[lyric magnet]

Maybe make it harder to dodge @hollow shell I only got hut once by just running on a long platform

[inner rover]

agreed

[hollow shell]

... still, how so?

[inner rover]

was it perhaps before plantera?

if so, maaan..

[hollow shell]

"dodge hardness" isn't exactly a value

[cyan lagoon]

Also old astrageldon used to be even harder

[lyric magnet]

Maybe make it teleport more frequently,
Make the fireballs home in on the player

[cyan lagoon]

Though it gets some slack because it was completely optional

[hollow shell]

It still is

[cyan lagoon]

Like the other calamity bosses

[quasi fable]

Hm

[cyan lagoon]

Besides either cryogen or ravager

And the obvious choice of postml bosses

[inner rover]

I just looked at the wiki. You don't get it's fragments until post-moonlord

[hollow shell]

?

[cyan lagoon]

And why does it matter...?

[inner rover]

just saying

[fleet fox]

Why here thought?

[lyric magnet]

@inner rover yeah of course, and even if you got em pre-ML you'd still not have the crafting table to do anything with them

[inner rover]

true

[fleet fox]

I'm just saying, what does it have to do with suggestions?

[lyric magnet]

Because the Astrageldon Slime is way underpowered

[inner rover]

yeah

[fleet fox]

I said, what the hell do lunar fragments have to do with that suggestion?

[lyric magnet]

Nothing really

@inner rover just brought it up

[fleet fox]

Then why are you talking about it here

This channels is used to discuss suggestions, not something so trivial like discussions about boss frops

[inner rover]

i origionally thought they dropped regardless of if you killed ML or not

[hollow shell]

Whatever this is irrelevant

[inner rover]

that's why i brought it up

[hollow shell]

@lyric magnet Add your behavior change suggestions to your suggestion

[ancient dragon]

In one single post, please.

[neon panther]

edit, don’t make another post

[hollow shell]

ffs I meant

yeah

edit

[fleet fox]

^

[ancient dragon]

Also

making fireballs homing
post-ML Astra
Fucking. No.

One of your behavior changes would quite literally break the boss post-ML, and the other is already there.

[night cradle]

^

[quiet abyss]

Teleporting more frequently is alright if it still has the same no contact damage duration after teleport.
And homing fireballs will be fine if their homing capacity ain't that great.

I repeat: If their homing capacity ain't that great

[bitter topaz]

@lyric magnet keep it in one message so it's easier to star, edit it if need-be

just don't fragment them

[ancient dragon]

You might as well not have it if it's going to be 'not that great', really.

[quiet abyss]

True

[ancient dragon]

It's pretty hard to balance homing when the boss oneshots you already.

It either makes no difference or it breaks the entire fight.

[quiet abyss]

Making he shoots more is an option.
But that might make the fight too difficult

[ancient dragon]

He starts shooting faster as his health goes down already.

[quiet abyss]

...Then the only thing that would work would be more frequent teleport.
Assuming, the no contact damage time is still a bit generous

[lyric magnet]

Sorry, kinda new to discord.

[ancient dragon]

And again, he already does that.

[quiet abyss]

...Well fuck, I don't know then.
Honestly at this point the only thing that could be done to make the fight harder but still keeping it somewhat fair post-ml, is giving it new patterns

Firing a very wide spread forcing you to dodge through the gaps between the fireballs or smth

[ancient dragon]

He's fine as it is, honestly. He's basically just made for farming but there's still some semblance of awareness to the fight so you don't just zone out while doing it.

[quiet abyss]

Mhm, that's why I'm quite content with Astrageldon as it is rn

Some bosses just aren't meant to be hard

[bitter drift]

like TdS

[lyric magnet]

Yeah I understand it's supposed to not be very hard, but beating it as the first Hardmode boss is a bit, too easy as a boss intended to be fought after Leviathan.

[quiet abyss]

They just keep it post-leviathan for consistency

[ancient dragon]

Astra doesn't give anything relevant to literally anything.

[quiet abyss]

Since Astrageldon drops the material needed to fight Astrum Deus

[ancient dragon]

It just spawns more Astral Ore.

Astrum Deus is the fight you should worry with, because that gives actual drops.

[bitter drift]

• calamity make sure that you are able to fight every boss in every point in the game

and @ancient dragon miracle fruit

[quiet abyss]

And since astral ores are only mineable post-astrum, they put astrageldon post-leviathan but before astrum deus, since astrageldon drops the material needed to fight astrum. It's the most "optimal" progression

[ancient dragon]

What about it?

[bitter drift]

it's a life fruit

[ancient dragon]

Wh-

[quiet abyss]

...Yes? And how is that related to the current topic we're talking about here?

[ancient dragon]

How does that come into play? Like, at all?

If you're specifically worried about its crafting recipe, it's here.

[lyric magnet]

Indeed, Astrum Deus is a lot more useful, which is why Astrageldon slime should be harder, as once you defeat Astrageldon, you can theoretically defeat Astrum Deus. And therefore have Astral gear before even summoning any mechanical boss

[quiet abyss]

Astral gear is not very great anyway

[bitter drift]

the asteral ore is useless
the fruit is made of asteral bar
so there is a good reason for fighting asteral the ass

[ancient dragon]

You can beat anything at any point in the game with the linearity changes.

Seriously, Calamity is about making your own difficulty now. There's no point in doing this since beating Astrum is already a pain in the ass.

[quiet abyss]

@bitter drift And how is that related to our topic? We're talking about Astrageldon specifically not Astrum Deus

[bitter drift]

forget it if you don't get it now you will not get it

[quiet abyss]

Fucking hell, why do you act so freaking rude sometimes, adir?

[ancient dragon]

With your broken English it's already hard enough to understand what you're saying.
You either explain yourself well or we will not get what you mean. The burden of explaining your point is on you, not on us to understand your incoherent rambling.

[bitter drift]

cuz my sister triggers me every sec of the day

[ancient dragon]

That's not our problem, nor should you use us as an outlet to your rage.

[quiet abyss]

Venting ya frustrations here is not what you should do.
If you want to vent, go vent in #general-talk or somewhere else.
This channel is for discussing about suggestions, and we don't need people venting in here

[lyric magnet]

@ancient dragon except you CAN'T beat anything at any point in the game. Leviathan doesn't drop jack shit unless you have defeated plantera, Calamitas can't be summoned pre-Skeletron Prime. And the plaguebringer Goliath requires golem to be defeated.
But Astrageldon, and therefore Astrum Deus as well, can be summoned as soon as you enter Hardmode

[dull kite]

yeah, either talk about suggestions here, or move to #general-talk.

and all of you, TRY to be civil, please.

[ancient dragon]

Some things are basically hardcoded into vanilla and impossible to change, like Plantera's trigger flags. There's just no way to rework that. Instead, you have workarounds or skips, i.e. the Eidolon Tablet.

We're all being civil here, Evan.

[hollow shell]

lmao Astral gear sucks
if you manage to beat Astrum Deus early and get that stuff, good for you if you can do something with em

[ancient dragon]

I mean, yeah.

[opal barn]

The adrenaline upgrade is a pretty neat thing to have early

[lyric magnet]

I mean, yeah it sucks once Golem is defeated. But before any mechanical boss is dead, that's a pretty good armor set.

[ancient dragon]

That's just a reward for being able to beat Astrum which is already a pain in the ass in its own right.

[quiet abyss]

If you managed to defeat Astrageldon and Astrum Deus as the first 2 hm bosses then you pretty much deserve the adrenaline boost and the stuffs anyway.

[ancient dragon]

^

The problem isn't even Astra, it's Astrum Deus since it's such a major barrier if you're going to go for it first.

[quiet abyss]

Most people wouldn't even dare try to skip any bosses unless that boss doesn't have any major drops

[ancient dragon]

Some of the rewards are good like the Nebulash, but it's mostly just more harm than good.
Again, you make your own difficulty here for the most part.

[quiet abyss]

^

If you complain that people can use Nebulsh to wreck everything pre-plantera? Well, here's the thing...
People can play how they want.

Don't like how they play? Mhm sure, just don't attack them or be a dick about it

[ancient dragon]

Astra doesn't need a buff, he's meant to be a farming-type boss with some tweaks to still make him somewhat of a challenge. End of story.

[quiet abyss]

...Fuck, this discussion had gone on for way longer than I thought, it's now my bed time

[ancient dragon]

...Well, unless you can provide a good enough counter-argument.

[quiet abyss]

GNight y'all 👋

[lyric magnet]

Yeah that's true, but that kinda ruins the game progression. Imagine King Slime dropping Triactis' Hammer

[ancient dragon]

I'll take it from here, Pinkie. Have a nice rest.

That's not what we're talking about here.

[lyric magnet]

Cya Pinkie

[ancient dragon]

Astrum is a difficult boss if you're going to fight it pre-Mechs with some good rewards that might make the stress worth it. Astra drops basically nothing but a beefed-up Greater Mana Potion.
King Slime dropping Triactis is a ludicrous strawman.

[bitter topaz]

so this is pretty much an argument about "astrum deus making other bosses too easy if i dfeat him first"?

it's fully intentional

[ancient dragon]

Yeah. It's pretty dumb.

[lyric magnet]

And that's exactly the problem, once Astra is defeated you can beat Astrum. If Astra is basically impossible until plantera is gone, it wouldn't be a problem.

[bitter topaz]

you should know what you're doing if you do a sequence skip/break

[ancient dragon]

You can beat Astrum, doesn't mean you'll succeed that easily.

And like Pinkie mentioned, Terraria is a sandbox game where people should have the freedom to make the game as hard or easy as they wish it to be.

Buffing Astra to be 'basically impossible until Plantera's dead' is breaking part of that freedom.

[opal barn]

Why do you want to bring linearity back to the game anyway

[lyric magnet]

Indeed, Astrum is very hard before Golem, but Yharon is also a pretty tough boss that you don't usually beat before the DoG is dead

[ancient dragon]

And...?

You're arguing for my point here.

[lyric magnet]

So if you can beat Astrum, that basically breaks the entire game

[bitter topaz]

no, no it doesn't

[ancient dragon]

Terraria's a sandbox. 'Breaking' it is part of the fun.

[bitter topaz]

you get rewarded for doing a high risk/high reward strat

[ancient dragon]

^

[potent vortex]

I think you guys should move to #calamity-mod-talk

[ancient dragon]

We're still discussing the suggestion. This is necessary to reach a conclusion.

[bitter topaz]

fab's entire design philosphy is "the harder it is to do/get, the greater the reward/more powerful the item or buff"

[lyric magnet]

Hmmm, didn't think of it that way

[ancient dragon]

Hope you understand now.

[lyric magnet]

Ye

[ancient dragon]

Coolio. Thanks for the discussion, I'm gonna go fetch some food now.

[lyric magnet]

And I'm gonna get some essence if Eleum for those Cryo Keys

[ancient dragon]

mid-fight weapons
Ech.

[bitter drift]

if the brothers can drop staff mid fight why not the seeker

except the inventory filling

[ancient dragon]

I'm iffy on those too, honestly.

[dull kite]

@ashen warren can you please expand on that

[bitter drift]

tbh to this day i have yet to use the brother weapons and idk what ammo one of them is using
i tried rockets bullets arrows what is it snow balls gel and everything

[hybrid cipher]

@ashen warren no low effort suggestions

[vague olive]

Heres a wip of a doc ive been making to try improve the standard of suggestions posted here. Please dm me if you have any ideas for additions/edits to the doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Pw0IaHYPFATDQ4xubnJdKcvIFCGX9ERxRloe5UUTKo/edit?usp=drivesdk

[dull kite]

I’ll look in a sec

[bitter topaz]

please don't buff the pillars

[ancient dragon]

Please don't buff the pillars.

[bitter topaz]

they don't need to return to being the pain-in-the-ass they are in vanilla

there's a reason people wanted the sigil so badly

[ancient dragon]

If you buff the pillars you're a psychopath, and probably the pillar itself.

[bitter topaz]

the pillars just aren't fun, terraria isn't suited to that style of invasion event

the goblin's etc. work fine because they come to you, and have a set amount you need to kill

[ancient dragon]

I think it's more of the fact that almost all of them go through walls and are just an immense jump in damage.

It's a horrendous difficulty spike in raw numbers, honestly.

[digital saddle]

pillars arent bosses

[ancient dragon]

This entire suggestion hurts me.

[digital saddle]

they dont neeed buffs

[gritty crow]

@digital saddle how are you typing in both channels

Simultaneously

[digital saddle]

the spawnrates are already ridiculous

[dull kite]

it may hurt, but afaik they’re not breaking any rules so /shrug

I personally don’t think pillars need buffed

[ancient dragon]

I know, it just hurts me personally.

[worthy fiber]

pillars are fine as they are

[gritty crow]

I mean I end them quickly by just Zerg potion battle potion AOE attacks

Takes me about, oh... 45 seconds to clear one out?

[digital saddle]

pillars are not well designed

they honestly shouldnt be in the game at all

[gritty crow]

tell that to Red and the crew

[digital saddle]

not fun to deal with, just a boring grind that can be extremely frustrating (SOLAR PILLAR)

[sleek wigeon]

Pillars are, tbf

[ashen warren]

hahayes i remember when i quit in the middle of revengeance boc fight with like 1000 tissue samples in my inv

[sleek wigeon]

Really damn cool

At least the first few times

[gritty crow]

They fit with the moon lord summon for the first go

And they captured that vanilla spirit of adventure rather well

Emphasis on vanilla

[vague olive]

Pillars are a good idea but could have been excecuted better

[digital saddle]

yeah boc is so dumb

it spawns a new creeper like every 5 seocnds

[sleek wigeon]

Dps check mechanics are never fun

[digital saddle]

respawning hungries are annoying on wof

but respawning creepers that MUST be killed

is jsut

bad

[ashen warren]

^

i completely skipped the boss until i needed the alchemistnpc NPCs because 1000 tissue samples are more than enough

[gritty crow]

Sounds like moneeeeeeey

[digital saddle]

The only loot you really need is nightmare/deathbrknger pick

[worthy fiber]

Pretty sure no new future bosses will be added tbh

[digital saddle]

Which can be skippee

With aero slimes

Or reaver shark

[ashen warren]

yes i had like 3000 crim ore without even getting to phase 2

[gritty crow]

And the kill on the list for the community

[vague olive]

Does that count as a boss suggestion

[worthy fiber]

yes

[vague olive]

@gritty crow grr read rulws

[gritty crow]

I mean... I guess technically it is huh...

[digital saddle]

By the time you can get community you can faceroll boc anyways

[gritty crow]

I was meaning more as like a buff type deal...

But it’s gone

[dull kite]

yeah, don’t do it again and you’ll be just fine.

[heady rain]

Yeah a plantera buff would be nice

1st phase you just circle her, and 2nd you just run away

[vague olive]

I suck at plantera

[worthy raptor]

I hate plantera

[vague olive]

Plantera has dumb grabby mouths in phase 2

[worthy fiber]

ew

[bitter drift]

@gritty crow eeeemmm planterra is more then hard enough
and that come from someone that did scal in 1 try

[dull kite]

I’m fine with current plantera tbh

[worthy raptor]

Plantera has dumb bouncy spiky things that home in on your Y location, tentacle grabby bois that move whenever they feel like it, and in phase 2 she becomes a big ball of don't

[ancient dragon]

^

[worthy fiber]

yeah plantera' already has a lot going on

[worthy raptor]

and none of it good

What who said that

[ancient dragon]

Unless you fucking dig a massive tunnel through the Jungle, you're not killing her fast enough.

[bitter drift]

he is probably digging to the underworld to fight it

[worthy fiber]

👂

[vague olive]

Ear

[ashen warren]

Eh, Planteras Difficulty is fine as it is

[gritty crow]

Am I really the only one finding plantera to be easy? Alright then

[ashen warren]

I mean, she's not quite on Calamitas Level and I did beat revengeance Flower on first try but it still felt like a challenging fight

[ruby cobalt]

pretty sure the general consensus on plant is that she's extremely easy

(no, I'm not counting in those people that refuse to make a proper arena and then whine about her being too hard)

[digital saddle]

Dont like fighting plant

Personally

[ashen warren]

well i might've overprepared by making a minecart arena going through half the jungle because i struggled a lot with her expert variant, but yeah

[ruby cobalt]

the only hard parts about her are hooks and gay bouncy balls

everything else is w/e

[ashen warren]

i dont get why so many people make an open space for her as it makes the balls a lot more dangerous

[ruby cobalt]

here, look, here's a thing about balls

if they fall down - they can't reach you

there's a limit to their bounciness

[digital saddle]

I'm just scared plant will turn into another ridiculously overbuffed vanilla boss

[bitter topaz]

ml 2.0

plant can't really be buffed without her being overhauled, or becoming an unfun pain in the ass

[digital saddle]

Yeah

[ashen warren]

well moonlord really needed the buff as he's one of the main main progression bosses

[ruby cobalt]

and plantera switches dungeon to HM, so she's also a main progression boss?

[bitter topaz]

ml is also, unsurprisingly, unfun to fight and a pain in the ass

the designs of both bosses don't really leave much in the way of fun buffs

[ruby cobalt]

ML could get away with patterned shots

and not his RNG barrages

that would make the fight more fun imo

[digital saddle]

Idk it just seems like some of y'all won't be happy till every boss is yharon

[ruby cobalt]

oh hell no, I definitely don't want all bosses to become Yharon

[ashen warren]

yeah, idk you just cant properly fight ml in rev+ without constantly running away from him

[bitter topaz]

the worst buff ml got in rev+ was the true eyes teleporting with him

[ruby cobalt]

difficulty is difficulty, but there's a certain point where difficulty becomes absolute bullshit

i.e. ML and his eye fiesta

[vague olive]

Worst buff was first 3 eyes not dieng anymore

[digital saddle]

plant is frustrating in vanilla

[ashen warren]

yeah, ML needed a buff, but not such a thing

[digital saddle]

shes less so in calamity bc you have better mining tools and bulb spawn rate

[bitter topaz]

portal did you have a stroke there or something?

[vague olive]

A small one yes

[ruby cobalt]

dyieingengest've'st

(the word you were looking for is dying btw)

[vague olive]

Youre right

[ashen warren]

honestly plant cant really be made difficult without a major AI change (or by making her tentacles have tentacles but that would be a big no)

[digital saddle]

i would rather buff cryogen than plant

cryogen is kind of a pushover

[ruby cobalt]

compared to SG? yea

look at both of them

one is pre-hm and is significantly harder than cryo

[ashen warren]

yeah i see cryo is more of a hardmode-start boss than a mech boss alt

[ruby cobalt]

if anything both cryo and WoF should get a buff

[vague olive]

I unironacally got angry at cryo on my throwing pt

[ruby cobalt]

because WoF as of now is a giant walking simulator

with occasional jumps to dodge leeches

[digital saddle]

wof is another boss that ends up being
"extremely unfun progression block"

if too difficult

[ruby cobalt]

yup

[ashen warren]

compared to other mech alts cryogen is way too easy

i feel like ml should be fightable without being like half the world away from him

[digital saddle]

i think ml is tough but not a bad boss

[ashen warren]

well he's not bad but he should be less of a projectile clusterfuck

[ruby cobalt]

9 eyes? hell yea, 9 times the clusterfuck

what's that? make it double? you got it, boss

[digital saddle]

Ml feels about as difficult as Providence to me
Maybe slightly harder

[ashen warren]

the amount of vulnerable eyes should be split alon g the core's HP bar

like after the v. eye phase he's just expert ml with more of those homing eyes

[ruby cobalt]

o ye, thought of a significant nerf to his eyespam

pull a perforator on him

[ashen warren]

like, i would get the current amount of eyespam in deathmode, but revengeance?

nah

[ruby cobalt]

death is just rev spam but doubled

[ashen warren]

yet another reason to never play deathmode

[ruby cobalt]

nah, death's fun until you hit a couple of those bosses

[ashen warren]

well, i'm certainly going to play it because i really like the adrenaline and rage stuff and dm just makes it so much more important

but idk about finishing it

[cyan lagoon]

what theme?

and did you mean yharon soul fragment instead of yharon feather?

[earnest raptor]

🤔

Maybe make Fluffy Wings as regular Post-Yharon wings, but Drew - drop from Dragon God?

Regardless of difficulity.

[delicate raft]

Welp, Fab decides what to do with his wings

[gritty kiln]

"Fluffy" sounds kind of underwhelming for a Yharon Drop

[bitter topaz]

and also drew's wings are a dev item

so it's very unlikely they'll be replaced

[delicate raft]

Yea

[ancient crow]

I made some changes to the wing things

And clarified the Yharon’s Feather thing

[bitter topaz]

it's turn

[restive karma]

@reef moat we need this

[reef moat]

mhm check calamity talk

and scroll up

[bitter topaz]

but ye this is a nice suggestion

[reef moat]

and not as rarted as some of the other ones

[restive karma]

I feel nostalgic after readin that. Cuz they did use to actually spawn at certain stages

[true crescent]

what do you mean by that

[restive karma]

In an old version of calamity l, the bosses used to spawn randomly when you kill a boss. For example, killing skeletron would allow for the scourge to spawn in the drsert

[ancient crow]

The messages all look good except the one for DoG. Lore-wise, he doesn’t attack from underground.

[restive karma]

Maybe change it to
A rift has formed in the cosmos

Idk

[night cradle]

DoG spawning on its own?

[restive karma]

Maybe post scal

[ashen warren]

ravager naturally spawning would be pretty good

as defeating golem makes it "roam the land" and i honestly forget that dude until i need my core of the blood god

[ancient crow]

@restive karma how about “A cosmic devourer is stalking you”

[restive karma]

It's not my suggestion m8

[ancient crow]

Oops

@true crescent

[true crescent]

yeah?

[ashen warren]

[ancient crow]

@true crescent I suggested a different warning message for the DoG “A cosmic devourer is stalking you”

[ashen warren]

what minions do you suggest for yharon battle

[fleet fox]

Mechworm is just a waste of slots, use Clamari's Lament

Also, wrong channel

[ashen warren]

my bad

[bitter topaz]

@tight horizon this is a known issue and is simply an oversight by fab, putting it as a suggestion isn't exactly gonna do anything, since it's specifically with the empyrian knives to illustrious recipe as well

[bitter topaz]

death animations

[fleet fox]

Already suggested many times, Potato Man

[bitter topaz]

also that ^

iirc it'll never get in due to how much of a pain custom death animations are to program

[raven meadow]

Sorry for that. Although I'm unsure why it's a pain to program custom death animations.

[crude quartz]

its not really a pain

just a tad out of the way

[raven meadow]

It would definitely be worth it though, seeing as it has been suggested many times

[gusty geode]

Overhaul managed to give all the vanilla pre-hardmode bosses a death animation except the EoW, I may not know anything about C# but it can't be extremely hard

Can it?

[raven meadow]

Exactly. I have some experience with c# and don't see any problems, but then again no clue how Terraria is programmed exactly.

[ancient dragon]

Overhaul was specifically deadset on making Terraria into a completely new experience. The death animations were a part of that.
Much like other QoL or 'pretty-looking' suggestions, it's best to wait until Fab's done coding all the main bosses to start asking for stuff like that.

[raven meadow]

Then why add any animations at all?

[gusty geode]

@ancient dragon I suppose that's fair

[ancient dragon]

What do you mean, Potato?

[gusty geode]

You had a good point

Sorry, got confused because some people call me potato in some of the games I play 😅

[ancient dragon]

Aye.

[raven meadow]

Why does he add any animations to weapons, minions ect. If it's just 'pretty-looking'? Terraria always had good animations and they made the experience generally more pleasant and more satisfying, so saying that it's just 'pretty-looking' is wrong imo.

[ancient dragon]

I mean stuff that's basically just fluff. You're extrapolating my point and making a strawman.
Basic animations for stuff is needed to make stuff look at least decent. Bosses are especially affected by this as their anims are usually needed to telegraph their next attacks.
Death animations, while not something that would take long to code, would take long to sprite due to how much of a stickler Fab is for 'perfection' (and whether you agree that the mod is perfect is irrelevant here, I mean he just wants to do his best) with his coding and the sprites given to him.
Boss animations are necessary, and weapon animations are mostly made to make the mod look more professional. Death animations are just fluff that can be left for later and aren't inherently important to the mod itself.

[idle obsidian]

Goddamn alex that was awesome

Pure quality there

[ancient dragon]

It's an explanation. Nothing 'awesome'.