good
#suggestions-discussion
vital grotto
low sandal
dude if 'doomed inferno' works on bosses im sorry but its not getting added 
vital grotto
you'd have to stand right next to a boss for about a minute and a half
low sandal
3% per second, NOW THAT'S A LOT OF DMG
vital grotto
does that make you invincible or something
low sandal
nope
vague olive
So would ravagers hands count as regular enemies?
low sandal
does dmg to your surroundings
vague olive
If so wtf
low sandal
would adult eidolon wyrm count
Like imagine pre nerfs adult eidolon wyrm
That would just be an execute
vital grotto
keep in mind you're going to sacrafice an accessory slot for one of these capes
and i dont want them to be the kind of accessory that gets smushed together with a bunch of others like with The Almagam or Core of the Blood god
you get it and it satays that way
and it's useful for the rest of the game
low sandal
dude
ok then lets say this
this item makes bossfights require no skill at ALL, and as you said youre having that cape for the rest of the game, while it only requires bars of life and essence of cinder
low sandal
Thats not that hard lol
vital grotto
for a full minute and a half
yeah it is
all the calamity bosses barely stay still
at least post- ML
vital grotto
what
low sandal
youre telling me its hard to hit doggo
proven tide
The capes are nonsensical and completely broken.
low sandal
^
vital grotto
how about you give some constructive criticism instead
low sandal
alrighty then
proven tide
Halve the stats and maybe they're viable post-ML.
low sandal
before uploading a suggestion, think of all the possibilities the item would have
If its unique in any eay
Way*
vital grotto
projectiles slowed by 12.5%? that's completely fucking useless
proven tide
Not at all. That's easily life-saving.
low sandal
and think of possible conflictions as to why one would think the item is broken
vital grotto
wtf
proven tide
@bitter drift Nope, it's not.
bitter drift
ok
proven tide
Sadly.
low sandal
okay lemme tell you this
bitter drift
the suggestion from theluckyemerald
proven tide
Yep.
vital grotto
projectile slowing might even fuck you over sometimes
low sandal
if it did 1% max hp instead it would still be broken, cause all bosses would just die by 1:30 mins no matter what
vital grotto
like with the SC bullet hell
low sandal
summoner
vital grotto
you'd probably end up making a bunch of walls that are hard to impossible to dodge
bitter drift
like the one i do at 5 time in a row no hit crying oxygen at a small arena
vital grotto
this shit doesent cover the whole screen
it affects enemies in an inferno-potion-range area
proven tide
It would be lovely if that had been established in the actual suggestion.
proven tide
"Around" sounds like "most of the screen"
vital grotto
"AROUND THE PLAYER"
for a reason
in what world of yours does around the player cover the whole screen
proven tide
Please, don't be aggressive. You didn't clarify the specifics and that's kind of a necessity in suggesting things.
vague olive
Fucking hell calm down
strange otter
if he had wanted it to mean "most of the screen" he would have put most of the screen
vital grotto
bullshit
strange otter
instead of around the player
vital grotto
you're all attacking me from beggining to end and now you're tellling me "fucking hell calm down"
quiet abyss
Everyone stop arguing. please
low sandal
okay
elder kestrel
What's happening
low sandal
Everybody's getting warmed up over a suggestion that is highly unlikely to be added in the game, just like any other
proven tide
With that radius, the Eleum cape has potential, but the others are simply unviable.
low sandal
dayum biys
boys*
The only way i saw the first cape being viable is by making the max hp dmg current hp dmg
strange otter
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untold solar
My biggest issue with the Cape of Chaos is that the damage is based on the maximum health of the enemies, which makes it stupidly powerful against high health targets and pursuit AI with good timing. It also doesn't seem to take DR or defence into account. It may work better if it works on a percentile of the held weapon's damage, or alternatively on the target's current health, rather than max, and both would still need to respect defensive stats.
elder kestrel
The cape of cinder and chaos from what I can see are that they are extremely unbalanced
low sandal
^
proven tide
^
vital grotto
thank you @untold solar
untold solar
S'allright Zplo
vital grotto
but making the cape of chaos work off the held weapon's base damage would make it a bit too similar to Cape of Cinder, no?
elder kestrel
BUT you guys need to chill and all
ashen warren
Normal enemies 5% and bosses 0.1% works for balance
The cape of cinder makes murasama even more exploitable
low sandal
ye but it'd be p bad with just 0.1%
low sandal
oh
untold solar
True, true. But as it's drafted it's very similar to the determination breaker but without the i-frame penalty.
vital grotto
oh right
low sandal
better switch to ranger then for my no hit playthrough
proven tide
Even doing literally nothing, the boss fight ends in 16 minutes with 0.1%
vital grotto
i forgot about the determination breaker lel
vague olive
Make the %damage smaller and the range bigger
elder kestrel
Gotta go for a bit now, don't you people be starting any fights or shenanigans while I'm gone 👀
ashen warren
If it becomes current hp make it 1% again
quiet abyss
How about this? Make the cape of chaos either doesn't work on bosses, or makes its debuff less damaging.
Make it not % damage based of HP, perhaps.
Or maybe, give it some penalty? Reducing your DR and Def could work, or reducing your damage, so your weapon damage combined with this accessory's debuff won't deal too much damage
ashen warren
ooo
ashen warren
Make it that it halves damage
low sandal
OH
quiet abyss
🤔
vital grotto
if neccessary
ashen warren
Keeping the same 1% thing but halving damage
vital grotto
ugh
ashen warren
Post ml they become worthless
vital grotto
what no
quiet abyss
Mhm, I'd say keep it like that for now.
untold solar
Percentile damage is very viable against everything not turning the screen into a bullet hell.
strange otter
name: cosmic blitz, damage: 3000, what it does: ride on the devourer of gods for 3 seconds, ravaging anything that oppose you with twice the speed. cooldown: 2 mins, materials: 200 cosmilite bars, 5 cosmic worms, 30 armored shells, 400 souls of might, 30 endothermic energy, 30 nightmare fuel, rune of kos
also its a mount
low sandal
@strange otter wrong channel
strange otter
woops
quiet abyss
Nono, its right channel
low sandal
this is #suggestions-discussion
quiet abyss
You can discuss about suggestions in here
low sandal
oh i thought they wanted to post their suggestion
quiet abyss
So if you want to, you can send your suggestion in here to ask for thoughts on it, before sending it in #suggestions-voting
quiet abyss
GNight 👋
low sandal
have a good one zplo
quiet abyss
...Actually, thinking about it, those capes would be immensely useful for true melee.
🤔
untold solar
I forget I'm probs the only one who lives on Stockholm time. Sleep well!
low sandal
And interedting mechanic
rip
@strange otter looks pretty interesting to me but the damage seems a little bit too high
Is it aoe?
ashen warren
Eleum cape is great for nohits
untold solar
I like the idea of a mount-weapon. I'm curious how much control you'd have over the AI though.
ashen warren
Might as well make it just drop off doggo at 5% rate
zealous sorrel
just give it to summoner :^)
low sandal
nO
vague olive
Only lasts 3 seconds
quiet abyss
"200 cosmilite bars, 5 cosmic worms, 30 armored shells, 400 souls of might, 30 endothermic energy, 30 nightmare fuel, rune of kos"
Nerf 200 bars to around 20
5 cosmic worm to 1
30 armored shell to 3
400 souls of might to around 30
Energy and Fuels are fine
And Rune of Kos-wait
Why the fuck is Rune of Kos there?
untold solar
That is pretty arbitrary from a thematic point of view, yeah.
low sandal
if the 3000 dmg is aoe and/or ignores immunity frames then its broken
if it just ignores one of the above it's ok?
quasi fable
rune of sin
quiet abyss
If it ignore i frames, it would be:
3,000 x 60 = 180,000 dps
zealous sorrel
seems fair
untold solar
OOF
ruby cobalt
you mean
ashen warren
scal here i come
ruby cobalt
x3 because 3 seconds
quiet abyss
If it's piercing, it would be 3,000 x 6 = 18,000 dps
...Actually, 18,000 dps ain't too bad.
...But post-DoG your dps is around 50K or more...
ashen warren
Wait if you move at twice the speed of DoG then why have the shield for dashing?
low sandal
i mean if you could use a wep with it its kinda fine?
More of a secondary wep to me tbh
quiet abyss
3 seconds, plus 2 mins cooldown
low sandal
or an accessory
quiet abyss
If you can use waepon with it...
True melee users rejoiced
ashen warren
Didn't see the cooldown
quiet abyss
Ram into the enemy with DoG while swinging ya sword
ashen warren
2 minutes it worthless
untold solar
I mean, the viability of it as an item depends largely on how well you can control it. It is a mount type weapon, so I'm assuming it could reposition you pretty far. If you didn't have much control over it, it wouldn't be applicable against bosses, and more for farming lower-tiers of progression quickly.
low sandal
yea if the cooldown is lowered and the duration goes a little big higher it has plenty of potential
quiet abyss
Mhm, pretty much
low sandal
It gets a star from me
ashen warren
3s is fine
quiet abyss
I'll star it for now, but I'll have to tell emerald to lower the recipe
ashen warren
Either make it the 180k per 2 minutes or 18k per 30 seconds
low sandal
mhm
quiet abyss
@strange otter Yo, your recipe for Cosmic Blitz is way too excessive.
Nerf 200 cosmilite bars to around 35
5 cosmic worm to 1
30 armored shell to 3
400 souls of might to around 30
Energy and Fuels are fine
And remove Rune of Kos, it shouldn't be there.
zealous sorrel
i dont know the feasibility of making an item like this, but what are people's thoughts on an accessory of some sort that swaps the way the summoner nerf works?
low sandal
What do you mean by swaps?
zealous sorrel
instead of having a weapon out nerfing your summons, turn it to having summons out nerfs your other weapons
quiet abyss
So...instead of making summon damage less, make other weapon damage less instead?
zealous sorrel
since in my opinion the summoner nerf is kind of anti-fun for playing summoner
untold solar
Hey, that's pretty good.
ashen warren
no that's actually really strong
zealous sorrel
you could make the nerf like 90% for all i care
quiet abyss
...That would make hybrid summoner back to better than pure summoner again, no matter how much the other weapons are nerfed
And then we'll be back at square one
ashen warren
I think what they want is hybrid summoner to be viable in dm or something
I do prefer hybrid to pure vastly
quiet abyss
If you want to go with this, you'll have to make it nerf both summons and weapons while you're holding a non-summoner weapon.
zealous sorrel
maybe i just had bad experiences with it but when i played pure summoner it was god awful for bosses
untold solar
Personally, I just want to be able to participate more actively in battles as a summoner. With the nerf bosses are pretty much a gymnastics sequence.
ashen warren
-25% flat could work
zealous sorrel
exactly gavin
low sandal
That doesn't necessarily mean having to go hybrid summoner
Like
OH SHIT I JUST GOT A GREAT IDEA
How about a weapon thst does summon dmg aka scales with summon dmg
ashen warren
thorium does that
untold solar
It does?
low sandal
wait it does
ashen warren
Called a strange skull
low sandal
never played thorium
untold solar
That doesn't scale though, does it?
low sandal
damn
ashen warren
So i gets boosted by +summon damage stuff
zealous sorrel
i think it also had those banners that would give various buffs to summons if you held them or something
untold solar
Well yeah, though the strange skull is pretty much garbage in enclosed spaces.
zealous sorrel
ah that might be it, it's been a while since i've played non calamity mods at all lol
low sandal
you guys know the warlock class from wow right?
ashen warren
in name only
zealous sorrel
i do
low sandal
In case you dont it's tldr hybrid summonrr
Summoner*
Some of his spells empower minions
his minions*
So how about something of the like?
Spell tones that buff the minions attacks and/or stats
ashen warren
otherwise known as banners 
untold solar
What if they were to trade certain stats for others?
zealous sorrel
honestly literally anything else to do during boss fights would be nice
untold solar
^
low sandal
What if summoner was just made more intense in general
ashen warren
there's i mod i had once that had an item that teleported minions to your cursor
untold solar
Summoner's Association.
ashen warren
That one?
untold solar
Yep. Blue rod that magic-mirrors your minions.
low sandal
okay then imma start working on some tomes for what im picturing to be the new summoner mechanic
untold solar
Also has an item that burns through your health like a candle on the sun for massive minion damage.
My only issue with the mirror cyclone is the riposte.
ashen warren
Mirrors don't absorb stuff
Just make it reflect projectiles at a 5-10% max health per second rate
untold solar
Or just nullify them.
ashen warren
that's boring though
ashen warren
Especially since reflecting projectiles isn't super op
scal shoots projectiles that deal around 600 per hit or something right?
Scal has 10m health in dm
untold solar
More the hit cap, though you could probably program it to ignore reflects.
ashen warren
Hitcap ignores godmode in most cheat mods
wanton sun
Sad when purified jam is one time drop
untold solar
PBT has been typing for so long I'm getting worried.
ashen warren
I noticed
I thought that jam was made that it could drop more via some route
Maybe it was a suggestion
quiet abyss
(sigh) I had gone over many hybrid summoner debates. I'm very tired of them...
People's main complaints about summoners are either:
1.) The summon AIs are derpy at times
2.) There's no other way for pure summoners to actively participate in battle.
In my opinion, while the 1st complain is reasonable, I don't really agree with the 2nd one.
I don't know about you, but to me it's like complaining that a class like a Medic, a class that should be focusing on helping and supporting allies, don't have a lot of combat options. You're missing the point of the class.
Summoner is a class where you rely on summons to deal damage, with practically no other weapon options other than sentry weapons as pure summoner.
It changes your playstyle, which is quite unique imo. Instead of actively attacking the boss while trying to dodge, you're only actively dodging everything.
This makes it a class that's perfect for people who prefers to dodge everything, rather than spending some of their focus on attacking. Some people prefers this playstyle.
Now, If summoner class is to become a class where you use summon weapons to help deal damage, while also having summons deal damage as well, I would not object.
But currently, I feel that people have been complaining about hybrid summoner nerf a bit too much, even if it's somewhat justifiable.
...and there goes my rant
untold solar
Ah. Fair criticism.
wanton sun
My friend plays summoner cuz he's a loser and doesn't think other classes are interesting
ashen warren
You are totally right except for point number 1
Hybrid summoner is fun because of the derpy ai
If ai was made better i'm sure pure summoner would work out to be fun
quiet abyss
Some people complain about derpy AI, which is why I brought it up
wanton sun
Slimes are fun to look at
quiet abyss
I personally don't have any problem with it
wanton sun
Not fun to rely on
untold solar
I still wonder if it's possible to override.
zealous sorrel
my biggest issue with summoner in calamity mod is that by post moon lord bosses half of the time my summons could not keep up with the boss moving so much(aside from DoG)
ashen warren
Hybrid summoner makes that issue not so apparent
zealous sorrel
though this was in multiplayer so that's partially to blame
ashen warren
how about no
untold solar
No thanks, I like restful sleep.
proven tide
^
ashen warren
^
proven tide
That would be a fucking nightmare on multiple levels
quiet abyss
I do not really experienced that one too much.
I had fought all post-ML bosses with Summoner, and I personally don't really see any periods where summons can't keep up at all.
Now, if it the complain is back in Calamity's early day, that would be justifiable. Since back then Calamity's summons can't keep up with you at all.
proven tide
like that one idea I had to bridge a current bit of lore/gameplay segregation about the DoG by making him get permanently longer, stronger, and heal whenever he kills a player with his head, an effect which was supposed to be per-world.
zealous sorrel
the experience was from like 2-3 months ago or so
quiet abyss
Hmm...multiplayer could be to blame then
zealous sorrel
did a full revengeance/expert playthrough as summoner until the very end when it just became unplayable due to lack of damage
quiet abyss
Very end? Around DoG or...?
zealous sorrel
yharon/s.calam
low sandal
when youre done with your doc about a new summoner mechanic but everyone's moved on from it already
untold solar
Post it.
proven tide
dewit
low sandal
anyways here's the doc in case u wanna see it
ashen warren
I'm playing pure summoner right now and i can tell you that siren, twins, brimmy and skeletron were a nightmare because slow summons
low sandal
untold solar
Sequence gets it.
low sandal
Alright imma help out my family now
untold solar
Ciao Humor.
low sandal
with moving stuff
zealous sorrel
there were also times when i played where i felt like i was stuck with 1 weapon for way too large a time compared to other classes, though i'm sure thats been helped a bit with new stuff added
low sandal
cya
ashen warren
bye
quiet abyss
Cya
zealous sorrel
cya
untold solar
So what are the odds of my suggestion about summon directors getting implemented?
ashen warren
Entropy's vigil until golem does exist
I've only just beaten golem so i should get back to the game
zealous sorrel
feels good to not be forgotten :)
untold solar
Consolation shouldn't be spelt like heroin. It shouldn't, but...
quiet abyss
Some words in English I still can't really spelled correctly
It's my 2nd language after all
zealous sorrel
though i hope we get a s.calamitas summon weapon one day
bitter drift
so now i got a summoners, ranger, melee and mage
ashen warren
I actually like that suggestion because new forms of attack are nice
quiet abyss
We might, since SCal will be demoted to normal progression boss when Yharim comes, and will be receiving nerfs like removing hitcaps
untold solar
Well, hopefully that'll change when the dev items are moved further along and Scal gets to be a progression boss.
proven tide
You do a bloody good job of it, if that's the case, because I haven't even noticed (and I'm a complete grammar freak, having done writing since I was five) @quiet abyss
ashen warren
Wait twilight isn't native english
you tricked me
The calamitous staff could summon all 3 at once
Seems like it would work better
bitter drift
i thought of that no
bitter drift
and it's calamity staff
proven tide
By "kill" I meant "eat" but the idea is the same
ashen warren
Calamity staff is really jarring
proven tide
proven tide
Yes.
ashen warren
yea no
ruby cobalt
you do realize that all the plebs that can't dodge him will blame you for that
bitter drift
we can't buff him anymore
ashen warren
I want the old days where you fought 2 DoGs at once
ashen warren
That was fun
quiet abyss
I would like to disagree with that idea. Vehemently.
...But my masochist side is kinda taking over.
proven tide
Elemental Lance, anyone?
ashen warren
loved that fight
quiet abyss
An elemental lance post-DoG upgrade when 
bitter drift
but hard harder then scal in my opinion
quiet abyss
I didn't even have time to play Calamity when DoG can summon another DoG
wanton sun
Superball bullet upgrade when
ashen warren
Elemental lance upgrade = YES
You should try and find an old version of calamity just to fight old DoG
quiet abyss
Mfw I'm obliged to star every suggestions if it's not low effort/meme/stupid suggestions.
ashen warren
anyway slightly offtopic
bitter drift
no
quiet abyss
I'm joking, don't worry
bitter drift
i'll never be able to farm cosmelight bars again
untold solar
Good birthday gift for leviathan though.
bitter drift
if that suggestion gets to 35 stars
ashen warren
35 stars =! it gets in
bitter drift
and i will not be able to play calamity
quiet abyss
Remember that 35 stars won't guaranteed it getting in.
The devs will be able to see the suggestion, yes
proven tide
The bot is actually dead RN IIRC
quiet abyss
But whether they'll add the suggestions or not is entirely up to them
proven tide
this is why I compile all of my suggestions into one document
ashen warren
Oh i know
proven tide
it's a big fucking document
quiet abyss
"Untitled document"
10/10 suggestion name 👍
quiet abyss
austere orchid
u wot
vague olive
The dog thing is a huge fuck you to nohitters
quiet abyss
...Uhhhhhhhhhh
First thing I noticed: the picture and the message aren't in same post
quiet abyss
I'm...still not sure if I should star it 
ashen warren
Has someone made a calamitas npc suggestion?
I know permafrost has been suggested more than once but i want calamitas for my harem
low sandal
how will killing her free her from her curse though
proven tide
@quiet abyss dewit
quiet abyss
ruby cobalt
austere orchid
Calamitas excels at stuff like necromancy, so (self)resurrection isn't an issue.
proven tide
Things have been set in motion that cannot be undone
dense girder
@proven tide which emotes would they replace
iirc danny doesn't just add all emotes on the fly
1000 throwing damage for any post-mech boss is uh
a lot
bitter drift
then wait
bitter drift
fixed
proven tide
@bitter drift ay can you delete all your recent suggestions and put them in one document so you're not regularly putting walls of text into the chat and flooding?
dense girder
nobody reads docs
bitter drift
no lol
ashen warren
Maybe you don't but people do read docs
bitter drift
tbh i don't know how and what lol stand for
proven tide
It means something's funny
ashen warren
lol means laugh out loud
proven tide
What it stands for has lost meaning
It doesn't mean that any more
It just means "that's funny"
bitter drift
@proven tide you are saying it's have lols of uses
ashen warren
Look up "lol" on google if you want
bitter drift
🥁
proven tide
It has one use
bitter drift
didn't get it
dense girder
the entire first two pages when you search "in:suggestions has:link" don't have more than 15 stars
could be that people don't like it
more likely: nobody reads them because there's no point having to open a doc because people are lazy fucks
bitter drift
i'm creative again yay
ashen warren
Actually most of the "recent" docs aren't super amazing so that's probably why
dense girder
i remember mine haha yes
well that one has a tl;dr
so for somebody who says "me no want click" it just tells what the change is
it's just a suggestion with an additional doc
for people who want the full juice
dense girder
or it could just be you posted it during inactive hours, the quality was bad and it was quickly buried
quality is obviously the main factor
but some people just don't like going to docs
proven tide
A negligible amount
dense girder
i don't mind doing it because i have nothing to do and my life is boring
proven tide
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dense girder
but others will
bitter drift
well some one have to get more throwing staff in the game
proven tide
about that document please
bitter drift
ya no
vague olive
People still read buried suggestions
ashen warren
@strange otter ik im late to this
but
what on homeworld is that mount recipe
400 souls of might and 200 cosmilite bars seems a bit much , dont you think
ashen warren
oh and 5 cosmic worms
because one of a nonconsumable item isnt enough
and you'd also have to get another one to fight doggo again later
low sandal
proven tide
proven tide
three seconds of 180K DPS
about half a million damage per two minutes
or 4.5K DPS on average
._.
ashen warren
still
low sandal
Thats if it ignores immunity frames
ashen warren
the recipe
proven tide
@ashen warren You don't understand
It's weak
even if it ignored immunity frames and you fucking SPAMMED it
ashen warren
oh i know
ashen warren
i think most pre moonlord weapons do more than that
ashen warren
(my math could very probably be off but) that means if you use rage and adrenaline at the same time you burst for 2,952,000 dps
your math
good sir
is off by a lot
rage and adrenaline dont stack afaik
Using dm fyi
Don't stack?
That doesn't sound right
opal barn
They're additive, not multiplicative is what he means
ashen warren
+100% is double
proven tide
Who cares? Death Adren adds an extra ten times the damage. Burst 5.4 million over three seconds.
opal barn
It's not exactly 10 times more, procentages works differently iirc
proven tide
How so?
ashen warren
"that means if you use rage and adrenaline at the same time you burst for 2,952,000 dps
proven tide
9.396*
ashen warren
ouchy
ashen warren
3000 x 60 = 180k
proven tide
if you did that every two minutes
78K DPS average
divided into three-second bursts
ashen warren
x 3 for 3 seconds means 540k
proven tide
every one hundred and twenty seconds
ashen warren
60 for 60 frames per second
ashen warren
i don't know what you're getting at
proven tide
1740% of 540 is 9.396M
ashen warren
no ?
vague olive
Why are we still talking about this the lad wont change anything
ashen warren
the name of the channel is #suggestions-discussion
proven tide
^
ashen warren
Also what they said
proven tide
¯_(ツ)_/¯
She, for future reference
the PFP and username (not nickname) are female, how hard is it for people to tell, smh
ashen warren
I say they just in case
Man the potion of darkness from alchemist npc is great for testing ingame
Would be nice if it were part of the original mod...
For comparison
proven tide
ashen warren
It's exo tier
proven tide
200 Cosmilite though
ashen warren
for a burst anyway
proven tide
.-.
ashen warren
Yea way too much
ashen warren
Wait i goofed that
I used my rage dps instead of base for heavenly gale
1,740,000 heavenly gale
This is with no accessories, armor or reforges and vanquisher arrows fyi
what
what version are you playing
Second latest
proven tide
Here's the plan: Cheat Sheet godmode on, max your Rage and Adren buffs, and Cheat Sheet summon a boss. Something that will be invulnerable to damage in the biome you're in. Once that's done, with Adren building and no way to hurt the boss, use standard arrows to test the Heavenly Gale base DPS on one Super Dummy, recording the DPS. After about ten seconds of this, drop both Adren and Rage simultaneously and record the DPS. Then compare.
ashen warren
Didn't see a heavenly gale nerf in latest update
how in the living gem does heavenly gale have 1.7 million dps
I'll try that
heavenly gale has been nerfed and has been bad for a long time now
fleet fox
^^
ashen warren
well , not bad , but not a great weapon for scal
fleet fox
Ye
ashen warren
heavenly gale has max 500k on a dummy in my testing
either your outdated by 30 versions
or im doing something very
VERY wrong
Maybe try with Auric Tesla
i did
Providence was hovering overhead so maybe a little dps increase but
Wooden arrows and no gear with no reforges base dps = 20k
what weapon ?
gale ?
Rage this goes to somewhere around 60k
Gale
that sounds wrong too
thats really low
whats your calamity version kiddo
Adrenaline that goes to 250k for the whole 5 seconds
like , number
proven tide
#calamity-mod-talk at this point
neon panther
sorry for late response, but @proven tide im pretty sure 
was their commemoration
proven tide
I meant in the mod
neon panther
Oh okay
proven tide
@hazy glacier *sideways cursor
ashen warren
neon panther
also it should be in 1 message
fleet fox
It's the first time I see someone use a gif to describe their suggestion, cool
ashen warren
yea same, it's cool
ashen warren
interesting
hybrid cipher
why did you have to ping me
proven tide
to get your attention bby
hybrid cipher
you could have pinged literally ANY other cooldude
proven tide
Now that you're here, how many emoji slots does this server have?
hybrid cipher
wrong channel
variants
neon panther
None left iirc
proven tide
It's for bargaining smh
hybrid cipher
whatever those variants are, no
proven tide
damnit
hazy glacier
aye I’m no spriter or animator but I tried my best
worthy fiber
neat enough
placid stag
Pretty cool
In my mage playthroughs I often used The Last prism, and During my Calamity runs the same for the Yharim Gift
ashen warren
yharims gift is bad
placid stag
Eh, it's satisfying to see mobs shred as you point a Lazer, but your opinion
bitter topaz
yharim's crystal and yharim's gift are different if you meant the crystal
the gift is a pretty bad accessory
ashen warren
buff is needed
elder sparrow
dog buffs each time someone dies = nohits get fucked
paper wagon
It's not based on if someone dies, it's based on if someone dies from the head
elder sparrow
still arbitrary change
hollow shell
@earnest raptor I don't how much has and hasn't been revealed, but uhh
Lore-wise, it is unlikely that Providence will get a Future Boss incarnation...
gritty crow
@turbid sky That’s a feature 
turbid sky
gritty crow
trust me it helps against SCal
ancient dragon
Providing good enough evidence regarding your computer specs and the actual amount of lag would be nice.
As opposed to hyperbolics and vague comparisons.
hollow shell
@strange otter You alright there?
ashen warren
50% what
sleek wigeon
Why would it be added?
ashen warren
uhm
unfinished suggestion
meh
summoners already get a butt ton of slots lategamr
fleet fox
^^
cyan lagoon
way too expensive
fleet fox
^
fleet fox
It's a pretty stupid recipe
fervent zealot
there's a lot wrong with that recipe
fleet fox
Is a weapon, but requires armor, and is so damn unbalanced
And nowadays, that recipe wouldn't be possible because the armor is already for Auric Tesla, so I doubt Fabs would allow a recipe like that
fleet fox
Why Determination Breaker?
And you can farm them while farming DoG or something
Oh, f, it's an accessory that requires armor and a shit ton of stuff, looks like it was ripped from that Auric charm or something, but without the armor effects
That accessory is simply terrible, and just something that looks like it's from Fargo's
strange otter
ill take notes
ancient dragon
Main thing you should take from this:
Rarity/difficulty to craft should not justify power, in any occasion.
fleet fox
^
strange otter
boy these messages should be pinned .-.
tired haven
Meanwhile
fleet fox
^
ancient dragon
...Not to an extreme.
fleet fox
Sight, today I'm just doing ^, 
ancient dragon
Yes, you're correct.
strange otter
are suggestions supposed to be simple suggestions?
fleet fox
Nope
ancient dragon
If they're fleshed-out and have a good reason, I don't see why not.
ancient dragon
Simple =/= vague.
tired haven
It can be complex but main thing it has to do is to either fulfill some hole in progression or open something completely original and curious
ancient dragon
Or y'know, balancing suggestions.
ancient dragon
True.
ruby cobalt
nah, some of them aren't that hard
I've been telling Fab to nerf aquatic emblem for 3 updates straight and he did it
hardy wing
@ancient dragon BIG false
Difficulty to make is a great excuse to make things op
Change my mind
ancient dragon
Go back to your stinky server, nerd.
hardy wing
fleet fox
bitter drift
@strange otter you don't got to be that specific
fleet fox
Why?
novel fulcrum
Only one dude rings up a boat to hell and his friends leave him behind?
fleet fox
What?
novel fulcrum
It could be fun
fleet fox
What?
novel fulcrum
More content for the damm channel
fleet fox
No
bitter topaz
it's literally dedicated to fab's deaths
fleet fox
^
crude quartz
fleet fox
Can someone delete that suggestion?
crude quartz
Rover why did you star it 
cyan lagoon
because he has to
crude quartz
but it literally goes against the purpose of the channel
fleet fox
Staring bad suggestions sounds painful af
crude quartz
what
fleet fox
For the love of god, what the hell do you want?
novel fulcrum
Forget it
crude quartz
the channel is intended for Fabsol's deaths
novel fulcrum
Leave it alone
fleet fox
Just delete the suggestion if you don't want anyone to laugh at you
novel fulcrum
I already did
bitter topaz
he already has
bitter topaz
rip adir quote shrine
ruby cobalt
smh cease bulli
crude quartz
Bidoof they cannot know
vague olive
Dont bring that here
bitter drift
wow it took me a lot of time to remember these suggestions
vague olive
Get a doc jesus christ
crude quartz
you've already sent the first 3 here
also doc please yes
actually wait not first 3 but all of them apart from mycelium rod
bitter drift
i tried to find them i didn't find them (if i sent these three suggestions)
vital grotto
im back
vital grotto
and i still dont think cape of chaos deserves a nerf
bitter drift
well maybe i missed them
tired haven
It does tho
So much free dps
bitter drift
also about the doc idk how do it
tired haven
Let's just take Plantera
What is that, 1.5k dps while main weapon deals 1-2k?
Ok even 5k
Still 25% of overall dps by one accessory
vital grotto
you're not talking to me are you
tired haven
I have bad news
bitter drift
you get that you are in #suggestions-discussion for god sake
it should be in what #general-talk or #other-mod-talk
vital grotto
now what's he talking about
tired haven
🤷
bitter drift
not a suggestion
vague olive
To make a doc just go to google docs and it should explain it to you there
bitter drift
and if i do the number of people seeing it will drop it is a down side that i'm not willing to take when every suggestion of my will be in a doc
vital grotto
not every suggestion has to be a doc
just big and/or complex ones that take too much space normally
bitter drift
look at my suggestions and tell me who need a doc
vital grotto
if you do an actually decent, unique, and interesting suggestion, people will look into the docs anyways
bitter drift
i never i don't anyone do that
but just look at #suggestions-voting and tell me what suggestions of my need to be in a doc
and it's mostly because of the fact that i put more then one suggestion in every suggestion and don't want to fucking post 10 suggestion every time i type in there for god sake
vital grotto
so
you dont want to post just one suggestion
but you dont want to post multiple suggestions either
bitter drift
i don't want to post 10 suggestion at a time so they become so long
vital grotto
then dont
bitter drift
but if i do post 10 suggestions it will fill the hole screen
if i do it as one suggestion it will be super long
fervent zealot
use google docs
tired haven
Spread them out idk
Let 1-2-more persons type their own and put one separate item/change each time
Unless they are thematically linked which requires a doc
bitter drift
and then no one will see them just posting it for no god damn reason
and most of them are linked in a way just look at this suggestion
just look at this this is a long linked suggestion (that how most of my suggestions are)
bignade 1000 throwing damage fire rate of 100 frames explode to 5 grenades on hitting an enemy.(despawn if it didn't hit any thing in 5 secs)
recipe: 99 grenades, 5 titanium bars, 10 hallowed bars
sling shot: throwing damage, fire rocks, grenades , snow balls. recipe: 20 wood(normal), yo-yo string, 1 leather, 2 iron/lead bars at a work bench.
pearl shot: throwing damage, fire rocks, grenades, snow balls . recipe: sling shot, 20 wood(pearl), 10 silk, 5 titanium/adamantite bars.
ebon shot: throwing damage, fire rocks, grenades, snow balls . recipe: sling shot, 20 wood(ebon), 100 cobwebs, 10 demonite bars.
shade shot: throwing damage, fire rocks, grenades, snow balls. recipe: sling shot 20 wood(shade), 100 cobwebs, 10 crimtaint bars.
rock: throwing damage, will stop in water. recipe: 1 stone gives 10 rocks. recipe 2: 100 evil rocks(ebon/crim), 1 purification powder = 100 rocks. recipe 3: 100 pearl rocks, 1 vile powder= 100 rocks
evil rocks: throwing damage (more then normal rocks) will stop in water (will spread corruption/crimson on normal blocks) recipe: 1 evil stone (ebon/crim) = 10 evil rocks(ebon/crim)
pearl rocks throwing damage (more then evil rocks) will not stop in water (will spread hallow on normal blocks) recipe: 1 pearl stone = 10 pearl rocks
tired haven
Just put it in the doc and name it something eye-catchy then
vital grotto
literally "slingshots"
tired haven
If people care to read document, they are more likely to star a thing because they care about suggestions
(If it is good ofc)
heady comet
bitter drift
this is the problem if i put in a doc on one will look at it
if i split my suggestions the hole screen will fill with my suggestion
and one long suggestion is the best way (in my opinion) to send suggestion
tired haven
I feel like I talk with a wall
actually no, wall has an echo at least
ashen warren
Just screw the lazy people that only want TLDRs for everything in life. Don't worry about it! If people really care and like your stuff, they will read it and star it.
crude quartz
wha
bitter topaz
wtf did i do
crude quartz
and it’s gone
heady comet
I didnt even say anything what
bitter topaz
i've been eating for the past 20 minutes
fleet fox
Uhh, I didn't do anything
crude quartz
we literally told you to put a wall of text into a document
bitter topaz
the hell even went on?
tired haven
Welcome to the "you are piece of shit no matter what" club, apple
bitter drift
ho look before i sent the suggestion
ashen warren
I tried to reason and defuse it. It blew up and disappeared 🤷
fleet fox
I was just eating for the past 20 mins
vital grotto
adir freaked the hell out because we told him to put some of his big suggestions into docs because they were too big
fleet fox
But why ping innocent people
bitter drift
and before that you where shitting on me
ashen warren
He was worried about the TLDR people.
vital grotto
we were not "shitting" on you
bitter drift
you wasn't
ashen warren
Oh he/she/it is still here.
fleet fox
I wasn't shitting on you at anytime in the past
bitter drift
look up
crude quartz
?????what the fuck is happening?????
fleet fox
I said I love your suggestions
crude quartz
it’s just a chaotic mess that I don’t want to be involved in
bitter drift
no it is important for me to stop every one from shitting on me
crude quartz
I didn’t even say anything about you adir
tired haven
🍿
fleet fox
And that was from another dude that suggested about changing that channel where Fabs talks about his deaths in videogames
crude quartz
her
fleet fox
Forgive me
bitter drift
like the next sayings
"Gosh, I love adir's suggestions"
"rip adir quote shrine"
and looks like some have deleted their lines of them shitting on me to added on what it truly means
fleet fox
Nope, the people you pinged weren't shitting on you
bitter drift
you are one of them
bitter topaz
i said that as joke
bitter drift
well it isn't funny
bitter topaz
adir quote shrine doesn't even exist
it was literally a jab at stuff like "dick fishron", which you, yourself has said was/is intentional
fleet fox
^
bitter topaz
dick fishron was actually quite funny though
bitter drift
at least he is from a game and doesn't have feeling
vital grotto
you're going to want to be more thick skinned on the internet
there are way meaner people than around here
they're not sarcastic
fleet fox
Why would I be sarcastic?
bitter drift
they are
vital grotto
ok
fleet fox
Not me
vital grotto
now
ancient dragon
Well this got a bit off-topic, didn't it.
fleet fox
Ye
vital grotto
you're just benidng the truth to your advantage
ancient dragon
I'll just do what Sarg told me to and not minimod.
@restive coral
ashen warren
Stop getting into actual fights over Terraria suggestions you hooligans
what have I missed here 
gritty crow
@bitter drift *Straight 
bitter drift
what
gritty crow
“Straight from Amazon”
bitter drift
ok
ancient dragon
One of the guidelines is explicitly that Fab is the one to decide stats.
fervent zealot
^
ashen warren
Yeah
bitter topaz
@ashen warren cores of cinder in the old power cell recipe are because fab seens the golem as an idol of a "sun god" iirc
and ravager's summon doesn't use chaotic bars for a reason
being the non-linearity changes a while back
sleek wadi
Yeah it requiring Chaotic Bars would make Plantera required to fight it.
ashen warren
ohhhhh ok but what about Lihazard blocks?
sleek wadi
Lihzard blocks can be mined without killing Plantera or Golem
sleek wadi
You'd come back to the temple with a Lunar Pickaxe
ashen warren
nah dudes u need the picksaw, dropped from golem to mine the blocks
sleek wadi
Lunar Pickaxe has either equal or higher pickaxe power and no block asks for a specific item to be broken.
ancient dragon
That's a craftable Pink Gel suggestion I can get behind.
bitter topaz
craftable pink gel
fervent zealot
but.. why?
delicate raft
Why not include pink dye?
I mean
You can make black lens with lens and black dye
quiet abyss
“Hmmm have the bosses themselves drop Bloodstone and not their treasure bags”...Any particular reason for this?
If you say its to prevent saving then opening bags post providence so you dont have to fight post provi bosses...
eager ivy
Correct
quiet abyss
...If you do that, might as well make fishing crates not drop hardmode ores if you had gotten them pre hm
eager ivy
true
proven tide
Woah rood
But that's actually a different concern
It's no harder to land crates in Hardmode than pre-Hm
But it's much harder to get the Bloodstone from the bosses
One is resource conservation and the other is just a cheese
quiet abyss
Post providence buffed bosses only have buffed stats, otherwise their fights is the same. No AI change or new patterns or anything. In my opinion its kinda unnecessary to force players to fight those bosses, since its just fighting same boss but with different weapons. Now if the post providence buffed bosses gain some AI changes or smth, then I’ll agree with your suggestion
Just my opinion though
I’ll star it. We’ll just see what people thinks ig 🤷
proven tide
"Devourer of the Universe" um what
gritty crow
Don't worry about it
proven tide
cosmic pupper
gritty crow
It's uh... in the current update...
little jolt
gusty geode
Wut
delicate raft
Y tho
delicate raft
calm loom
crude quartz
@neon panther hey guess what Avalon did :^)
sinful violet
is this advertising
crude quartz
hopefully we can get the jukebox ported over, we might not be able to
sinful violet
sinful violet
smh
neon panther
does Avalon have the calamity soundtracks though? Because that’s what I really want :p
vital grotto
am i the only one who thinks the recepies for GSS are stupid
they're inconsistent and just kinda random tbh
especially the thrower weapon
neon panther
why in here
vital grotto
which requires a gosh darn Sandstorm in a Bottle
neon panther
crude quartz
he's an easily skippable miniboss so it really doesn't matter
sleek wadi
GSS?
worthy fiber
sand shark
sleek wadi
Oh
crude quartz
plus its more unique than "this specific lower tier has to upgrade this way"
crude quartz
you get what I mean yes
stable summit
Is having the DoG summon sentinals in second form when it says "A GOD DOES NOT FEAR DEATH" a good idea
with the sentinals less strong then what they would normally be
ruby cobalt
is this the original sentinel change all over again?
stable summit
I just want something to happen when DoG says that
cause I think it would make sense
ruby cobalt
well something happens 10% of his HP later
stable summit
ok
placid stag
... what did the last post mean, exactly?
quiet abyss
Hold up lemme try to translate
"Cosmilite Shards, a post DoG crafting material.
You need 10 of them make 5 cosmilite bars.
Dropped by Storm Weaver at 0-3 per kill.
Since you can take DoG's armor, why not SW as well?"
...uhhh?
idle obsidian
worthy fiber
should just be vanity
night cradle
@bitter drift maybe add the thing that it drops from each sentinel after killing Devourer of Gods.
bitter drift
i think only SW's