things like helms
#suggestions-discussion
violet talon
ashen warren
Yes
there has to be other mechanics involved to prevent getting silva armor pre providence
Well Fabsol has final say on what gets in so ;P
sleek wigeon
SPECTRE ARMOR PEICES?
ashen warren
Note: This is not a boss
ashen warren
Yes
sleek wigeon
THE FUCKING MADLAD
ashen warren
A really rare enemy
sleek wigeon
nymph rarity isnt that rare in a place where spawns are super high
like the dungeon
sleek wadi
Like dungeon in the same mod with zerg
ashen warren
Well, you get the point. It’s not supposed to be found intentionally
sleek wadi
Shove the armor pieces to HM.
sleek wigeon
AND ZERG POTS
ashen warren
^^^^
And?
If you fight it you fight it
silva armor pre providence is overpowered as HELL
sleek wadi
Rarity is never an excuse for power
ashen warren
Well this thing can kill you easily. Read the part about the Deathly form
sleek wigeon
If its too tough then its a random "lol you got unlucky die nerd"
which fucking sucks for early game dungeon exploration
sleek wadi
See: Legendary weapons, Halibut Cannon
sleek wadi
Legendary weapons used to scale
ashen warren
most legendaries suck ass too lol
sleek wadi
And dropped from everything
sleek wigeon
Legendaries dropping from everything wasnt the issue, since they would be scaled to your point in the game. the issue is you never had a reason to go out and find new weaponery when you had a scaling buddy constantly befreinding you
gusty geode
I like this thing. More Halibut-style drops that give you amazing gear for getting lucky/really good would really help the non-linearity.
sleek wadi
It was an early playthrough winner much like having post-plantera armor available from the start would be
sleek wigeon
That doesnt help fucking non linearity
ashen warren
What do the Legendary weapons have anything to do with an enemy Suggestion that doesn’t have a new hard to get drop
ashen warren
literally everything would die
sleek wadi
My point was that rarity=/=power.
ashen warren
rarity does not equal power
sleek wadi
Exactly
sleek wigeon
Rarity does not make power balanced
sleek wigeon
"tried" my ass
ashen warren
nymph has one of the lowest spawn rates in the game and it drops the fucking metal detector
sleek wigeon
Youve no doubt seen this exact discussion no less than than 4 times beetle
ashen warren
rarity does NOT equal power
gusty geode
Either way you've got to work for it, especially considering how strong this thing sounds. A reward for such skill and/or patience would make sense.
icy kelp
you could literally slime saddle cheese it for easy armor
sleek wadi
Still not an excuse. Halibut breaks the game in fucking have
ashen warren
sorry dor caps
sleek wigeon
A reward yes. not something that breaks the game wide open
untold solar
Why not a belated reward, like leviathan loot being gated behind plantera a la IOU?
ashen warren
That could work
I go make an edit now
i could understand if it started dropping the armor super rarely after certain bosses are dead
sleek wadi
An IOU item for an armor piece with a respective boss material
ashen warren
but making silva accessible right after moonlord breaks the game so hard its hilarious
sleek wadi
All of it is ridiculous and makes pre-HM up to plantera piss easy
icy kelp
implying it isn't to begin with, but i agree
sleek wigeon
It makes it too easy, A reward for a rare thing should be unique, cool, and be balanced for its tier
Like metal detector or butterfly dust
icy kelp
rare sure, but insanely difficult not really
sleek wadi
If it exists you can probably cheese it
Baiting it into a ceiling would probably let you slimey saddle it
gusty geode
Maybe it drops the post-Plantera gear in Hardmode and the late-pre-hardmode armors in pre-hardmode? That would make it so you can stand a chance against WoF without having to kill any non-mandatory bosses (besides Skeletron)
sleek wadi
In low% you kill WoF with dynamite stacks
sleek wigeon
You can easily stand a chance against wof regardless
sleek wadi
WoF is not an issue
sleek wigeon
metorite gear
gusty geode
I mean with any class
Hellstone is locked behind the EoW/BoC, and Bee Armor is unobtainable without killing Queen Bee
sleek wigeon
Hellstone isnt locked behind anything though
sleek wadi
Fish for reaver shark
sleek wadi
And low% is exclusively a ranger run.
Everyone else loses too much from skipping bosses
gusty geode
My point exactly
sleek wadi
You wouldn't get to fight the enemy anyway and weapons are the issue here
sleek wadi
Difficulty, bosses, and non-linearity.
gusty geode
It made a big deal out of not having to fight a lot of the bosses
sleek wigeon
non linearity isnt a selling point. Calamity isnt known as the mode without linearity. Its a bonus extra
like subtitles in a movie or director commentary
gusty geode
So it should be possible to do a low% run with any class
sleek wadi
And a lot of bosses ARE skippable, but not the amount that fab intended.
sleek wigeon
Its nice, but its generally not why you bought the movie
ashen warren
thats the best analogy ive heard in a long time
gusty geode
I guess that makes sense
sleek wigeon
Thanks, i pride myself on good analogies :D.
sleek wadi
Currently you need to kill the 3 mech bosses, and your choice of either Plantera+Cryogen or Ravager+Calamitas
sleek wadi
Mothron only spawns after the 3 mech bosses die
Even then, Dragon Egg is in Draedon's Forge. You need to summon the event moons to make draedon's forge and have to craft the summoning item first
The event moon summoning item requires boss materials
Speficially Hallowed Bars, Souls of Fright, and Ectoplasm
gusty geode
So if we really want the non-linearity to work, we need to add work-arounds and alternate ways to get those items
sleek wadi
Yeah, I've made like 4 suggestions that should get around everything that is preventing the intended low%.
All of which got 35+ stars.
ashen warren
I fixed the drops from the fucker
gusty geode
Also they should bring back pre-HM Eidolists in the Abyss to make Hardmode completely optional
ashen warren
Uh, that would break the game, probably
gusty geode
Maybe a different way to get the Hallow for doing things that way, and special rewards for having not sacrificed the Guide to a demon
sleek wigeon
hardmode... optional? crazy talk
ashen warren
^
sleek wigeon
how would you even kill cultist with pre hm stuff? or, god forbid, a goddamn pillar
sleek wadi
Well it technically is. You can run straight to abyss layer 3 and murder and eidolist.
sleek wigeon
(once you kill 1 pillar the rest fall like dominos)
sleek wadi
Cultist is easy
gusty geode
Long bridge, Minishark, Lightning Boots, and a lot of patience
ashen warren
But Moon Lord is a bitch
gusty geode
And for the pillars, do Stardust first for the Dragon Staff and the rest is easy
gusty geode
Lol
ashen warren
@untold solar that’s what I call a good change to a boss suggestion
untold solar
Thank you. I appreciate it Beetle.
ashen warren
No problem
unique vector
@untold solar sounds good, but one thing
that kinda could get buggy with a platform arena
for instance
if u summon king slime at lets say
the 3rd row of ur arena from the bottom, out of 5 or or so rows
does king slime spawn on that row?
assuming the tele on top of player function is based on where king slime spawns
violet talon
he can already jump from above a platform to under a platform
unique vector
and if he teles onto ur platform, does he then constantly tele above you until u fall back down?
@violet talon im talking about his suggestion for KS to tele atop the player if the player reaches a certain heigh above ground level
ashen warren
they mean certain amount of blocks above a platform
if there is a platform , that will reset your "blocks above ground" counter
if that makes any sense
steep island
@civic orbit No meme suggestions allowed.
hollow shell
@civic orbit You're going to need to elaborate and be more detailed with your suggestion.
Is it an item? An enemy? A structure?
What'll it do? Why should it exist?
vital grotto
just drop the idea tbh
white laurel
neon panther
I like
vital grotto
thank
neon panther
crystalline is a fun weapon and I’m sad it’s not viable for anything after the first couple bosses
vital grotto
^^^
neon panther
I mean Yharon is his dragon
gritty crow
True... but Yharim is a much later boss from what has been said
neon panther
but if we did that we’d have to do it for yharim’s gift aswell, which i think is good where it stands
gritty crow
Post Scal?
hollow shell
You do realize there are things in the mod named after Yharim that don't have to drop from him, right?
Like Pre-HM Yharim's Stimulants?
or post-Prov Yharim's Insignia?
gritty crow
Yes, but Yharim's Crystal seems... well, like something Yharim would actually use
vital grotto
yharon wears yharim's crystal on his head like a unicorn when
ashen warren
When are you not in a laser mood Gamma
vital grotto
so i had this idea though when making the Crystalline upgrades but im not sure how to use them and whether they're a good idea or not
somehow along the way, as crystalline gets upgraded, it gets more and more like a snowflake
and snowflake upgrades to a "star" theme somewhere post-ml
that's all i got
ashen warren
From star to birb
ashen warren
It could be a profaned flame
vital grotto
sigh
neon panther
Tbh crystalline upgrades just sound good to me
I think the ones you posted are fine
vital grotto
i knowfor sure they need work
ashen warren
I thought Yharon could be fought anytime after Moon Lord was defeated?
ancient dragon
Certain bosses are required to craft the egg.
sleek wadi
Bumblefuck is fightable right after ML though
ancient dragon
Low natural spawn chance when?
ashen warren
Well, Fabsol May have chosen this path due to lore or other reasons
You can fight it instantly, but phase 1 won't trigger dark sun stuff even if you manage to 1 shot Yharon
>
sleek wadi
In order to get to Yharon 1, you need to kill WoF, Skele Prime, Cryogen, Plantera, ML, and DoG.
ashen warren
And if those bosses are needed to craft the egg then why do they need to be fought to have a dark sun event stuff?
sleek wadi
Need to kill Skele Prime for the moon summoning items because Draedon's Forge hates me
sleek wadi
Cryogen is for both Bars of Life and Cosmic Worm
ancient dragon
Okay listen here. 🔫
ashen warren
Oh yeah SoM
sleek wadi
Cosmic Worm requires Souls of Might because it needs to connect back to destroyer 
ashen warren
That should really just be removed from the recipe, as it makes no sense at this point
how to kill the conversation part 2
sleek wadi
I did put in a suggestion for that
ashen warren
I think ammo slots are something you can easily change
*cant
Would it be crazy if I wanted to suggest splitting the mod into two mods? One with the bosses and original content, while the other has the modes with their special loot
sleek wadi
Yeah
ashen warren
I thought so
Is it a good time to repost shit from 2+ weeks ago?
With edita to the original idea of course
sleek wadi
Go ahead if the original didn't get 35 stars already
ashen warren
👍
I found 2 suggestions that got 60+ stars
What the actual fuck
_> I hate how mobile discord doesn’t allow you to copy things from the search thing
placid stag
:3
ashen warren
I’m gone for 2 hours and no new suggestions?
sleek wigeon
Its hecking 4 am, what do you want?
ashen warren
I’m in Italy, sorry?
ashen warren
Have I’ve seen the peak of over powered: Nope
Is this over powered: Yup
teal shoal
lets be honest only sane person who could get that role would be levi
because who other cares
cyan lagoon
quiet abyss
CrabBar has a series of DAD playthrough going on rn on his channel actually
tired haven
let's be honest this idea was born only because of my stupidity
quiet abyss
hahaues
ashen warren
defiled and armageddon don't stack
fleet fox
Ye
And there will be a new role called Hollow (reward for livestreaming a full run of Deathmode or Revengeance with Armaggedon or Iron Heart
fleet fox
In the Hollow runs they can't die to bosses
elder mist
armageddon
scal by herself took me around 60 ingame hours to nohit
it will be even longer with defiled
proven tide
holy fuck what
elder mist
by ingame hours i meant 60 hours recorded on the character
ashen warren
i haven't even beaten her after 100 ingame hours
elder mist
not actually 3 ingame days
bitter drift
o it better at the job then it
elder mist
i mean... halibut cannon exists
bitter drift
get back is the description
sleek wigeon
Halibut cannon isnt the baseline
sleek wigeon
Its like saying “star cannon exists”
elder mist
just because an item has a ridiculously low rate does not justify it being broken
sleek wigeon
Exactly
ashen warren
There’s a meme about that 
elder mist
its the exact problem old leg weapons were a massive problem
yeah 1/50,000 but if you DID get one you were set for the rest of the world
sleek wigeon
That wasnt the offical problem@with legendary weapons
sleek wigeon
The issue is why would you use anything else when legendaries were at your tier always
elder mist
...that's because of their power
you wouldn't use anything else because they were just less powerful than legendaries
at all tiers
which made all non legendary weapons irrelevant
bitter drift
now they suck
sleek wigeon
Why seek out new an interesting weapons when you have this weapon scaled to you? Not nessacaroly power.
elder mist
no, it's literally because of their power
sleek wigeon
But w/e is the past
elder mist
legendaries were more powerful than anything available to the current tier someone was at
if they were weaker but still scaled, people would pursue those more powerful weapons
sleek wigeon
If it was only an issue of power they wouldve just been nerfed
elder mist
that's easy to say lol
sleek wigeon
Instead of reworked to not scale
elder mist
you can't just throw the "nerf" word and expect everything can be solved with a nerf
that's not how balancing works
Not to mention, even if they were nerfed to be weaker than weapons at their respective tiers; why even have the legendaries at all if they're just gonna be outclassed by everything
might as well not even have scaling in the first place
sleek wigeon
Why have legendaries now?
elder mist
cause then without it at least they can have 1 tier where they're good
bitter drift
this is what is wrong with them now
sleek wigeon
Too weak to be worth the asinine grind
elder mist
rarity does not justify a weapon's power
whether it be strong or weak
in the event that you get blossom flux from the 1st plantera kill
you are able to use it for upwards to pre PBG
sleek wigeon
Sure, but they are STILL outclassed by junk on their tier
bitter drift
really i will just go for onyx blaster and others
elder mist
so you propose having them be purposefully overpowered for their tier?
and go back to making weapons irrelevant?
keep in mind that there's a legendary weapon in almost all tiers of hard mode
sleek wigeon
Having them be more powerful than other weapons at the tier yes. Not nessacarily OP , just a bit better than others.
bitter drift
and let's be honest if a craft able weapon is better the a low chance one that weapon have problems
ruby cobalt
well that's what they are now?
elder mist
not really, blossom flux is still overshadowed by other stuff in it's tier, as an example
bitter drift
ho really
elder mist
right now legendaries aren't really that powerful for their tier
ruby cobalt
vesuvius is straight up unreachable
bitter drift
let me tell you the weapons i find to be more power full then the blossom flux
elder mist
sure, maybe from golem -> PBG vesuvius is useful
but pbg drops malevolence
and helstorm is as good as vesuvius
in dealing with PBG
ruby cobalt
yes, but why would you even do OOA
elder mist
for the boss checklist completionists i guess
bitter drift
1 onyx blaster start of hard mode
2 magma striker post planterra
3 chlorophyte shot bow pre planterra
all of them are more power full then it and craft able
elder mist
onyx blaster doesn't even come close to reaching blossom flux' dps
bitter drift
are you 100% confident in that
bitter drift
i tried the blaster is better
bitter drift
on dummy
ashen warren
do you have omniswing or something lol
bitter drift
what is that
elder mist
even with omniswing onyx blaster does not come anywhere near blossom flux
ashen warren
of course but onyx does get a lil borken in vanilla
elder mist
like blossom's rate of fire and base damage with cursed arrows is too high for onyx blaster
ashen warren
with omniswing
elder mist
yeah it's good i don't say it is
bitter drift
even with out
elder mist
but saying it's better than blossom flux is a straight up lie
bitter drift
i don't have that and destroyed every thing in my way to the pillars in death mode with only the blaster
bitter drift
na
bitter drift
if it have higher fire rate it doesn't mean that it's more power full
elder mist
same base damage and it shoots like 10 times faster
placid stag
What's happening here?
elder mist
adir saying that onyx blaster is more powerful than blossom flux
i guess only visual proof will suffice for my claims
placid stag
I scrolled up to see a discussion on legendaries
elder mist
if you did, then why did you ask when you already knew the answer to your question
bitter drift
he is right
bitter drift
🤦 🤦
fleet fox
Those emojis are lame
bitter drift
well @placid stag here is another thing to add on your name
placid stag
Hm?
bitter drift
you know add it on your list of regrets
bitter drift
cuz that was stupid
bitter drift
wright in it "trying to clarify a thing you already know
placid stag
No, your name is just a waste of good ink
bitter drift
you don't have to wright my name in it
placid stag
Yeah, but I don't like to lie
quiet abyss
Can you both not talk about non-suggestion related stuffs in here
placid stag
Apologies
heady comet
Pets are for devs and cool people
left crag
Seems to be a trend in death mode
ashen warren
left crag
maybe eventually pets for all the bosses will be dm drops
quiet abyss
@heady rain Why is the corrupton wing worse than crimson wing in both stats? Make the corruption wing better than crimson in one stat
heady rain
isnt everything crimson better than corruption lol
elder mist
yes
tired haven
Probably result of vanilla balancing making alternative better
elder mist
chasms, ichor, etc
tired haven
heady rain
ye
ashen warren
Except the Crimson has a shot Expert mode item
tired haven
As well as bad gun from heart
ashen warren
Yeah
elder mist
undertaker is good wym
ashen warren
Crimson is also a lot more difficult that Corruption
tired haven
Musket is tons better
Hell, even Flintlock Pistol is better
elder mist
half the damage of musket but shoots twice as fast
flintlock
did you even use the gun
tired haven
Bullet damage pls
heady rain
undertaker > musket
tired haven
Not with flintlock
heady rain
this is getting out of the topic
elder mist
by that logic flintlock is better than musket
tired haven
Lemme compare real quick eh ok then
placid stag
Yay for unbalanced world evul
ashen warren
worthy fiber
Why rev-only?
bitter topaz
wings as a rev drop pre-ml are completely useless
skyline is enough for cryogen and then you just get starlight wings etc.
tired haven
Implying postML they are any useful
bitter topaz
atleast they're a crafting ingredient
tired haven
why these won't be one if we want
bitter topaz
what'd you craft with them? some weird pre-ml tracers?
ashen warren
why does this always happen
heady rain
there i made it more useful
ashen warren
Eh, still seems not very interesting to me
quiet abyss
"I'm suggest these, because yeah"
That single line alone makes me star it 
Seriously tho, cool suggestion 👍
earnest raptor
I'm inspires by yeah by Fabsol.
quiet abyss
bitter topaz
maybe just the normal mini-eye projectile things would be better
quiet abyss
@oblique plume Be a bit more specific please. Suggesting general stuffs like that won't give devs much of an idea of what to make.
ruby cobalt
OH GOD IT'S EVEN WORSE NOW
earnest raptor
bitter topaz
ruby cobalt
but still better than deathray
bitter topaz
wrong eyes man
ashen warren
Maybe on roar it shoots the little moon lord eye bullet things
ruby cobalt
on roar spits out true eye of cthulhu that persists even after tiger's death
quiet abyss
Make it shoots out killable mini true EoCs 
earnest raptor
Added!
quiet abyss
Change from "one True Eye of Chtulhu" to "one killable weaker True Eye of Cthulhu"
And then you're set
earnest raptor
Changed.
quiet abyss
Nice 👍
earnest raptor
And also.
I'm already want post-DoG unique enemy.
No moon vanilla mobs.
Mobs, added by Calamity Mod.
worthy fiber
Yeah, having unique enemies rather than ones based on existing ones would be nice
bitter drift
if we are all ready talking on this i see you have taken a lot of bosses from vanila
lunar dirge
Its enemies, not bosses and
bitter drift
as well
yharon is dick fishron and BoC crabulone took the king slime jump calamitas is an upgraded retenaizer and her brothers got spasmatisem's 2 attacks
bumble birb is acting a lot like a buffed mothron signes and brimstone elemental have the same shooting mechanic poltergast is a phantom planterra
TdS(the desert scourge) have the EoW attack storm weaver is really like a crallapie
ashen warren
???
left jungle
Guys who has a good setup of armour and accessories to beat supreme calamitas
ruby cobalt
left jungle
Sorry wrong one
near crown
cryogen is bootleg frost queen
tired haven
I mean it takes 3% health per grenade in death defiled, it is broke af
gaunt quiver
ashen warren
New Worm Boss
steady iris
Replace All Enemies With Worms~
ashen warren
Basic, but good
hollow shell
@ashen warren Too high
ashen warren
_> Lower the percentage
hollow shell
should be like 5%
livid coral
I need Permafrost
worthy fiber
don't we all
teal shoal
make it .1 from everything and 1 from plaguebringers and we are gucci
ashen warren
What the fuck? That’s really rare
This is just a boss summon not a Halibut
Why do you guys want it so rare?
sleek wadi
Make the 5% droprate occur before PBG is defeated. Could result in some inventory clutter after you've already defeated it and have no more reason to kill them.
gritty crow
Yes, but it includes bits of all 3 servants so it would fit perfectly
Assuming it would be loopable I suppose
steady iris
tired haven
Yet again, having 3 sentinels at once would overlap their attacks and make gay battle
night cradle
lunar dirge
I suggested that inb4 but now im like why did i suggest it
gusty geode
Looking back, I expected a lot of controversy from some of my enemy changes from yesterday, considering I suggested things like Zombies being potentially immortal and Wraiths being able to actually fly
worthy raptor
Having all 3 sentinels at once was pain and sadness, hence why it was changed to be 1 at a time
bitter drift
well i guess you can put storm weaver and CV at the same time
pliant thunder
tired haven
it is second suggestion of role which indirectly might come from my ridiculous duty and that makes me feel weird
violet talon
reeee also calling death rev + death
soft grail
"Revengeance Armaggedon Defiled rune", "Deathmode Armaggedon Defiled Rune"
"Rad Dad!"
or even better, w/ the Iron Heart,
"Metal Rad Dad!"
neon panther
for one, that could kinda be considered a meme suggestion, and two, I can guarantee it’s not getting in even if it wasn’t
vernal sphinx
Ah
barren rain
But you can cheese with the door glitch
violet talon
but still, let people play how they want to play
vernal sphinx
I'll just...
violet talon
people can choose to hoik if they want
early golem kill
eh it's fine
dont have to delete it but whatever
worthy fiber
@ashen warren that's already being done
royal spear
Are you in the art server?
hollow shell
Spoilers:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/404775224106811412/478027953050222623/PBG_Upright.gif
bitter topaz
oh the new PBG sprite is animated now?
royal spear
by me
worthy fiber
👏 you did good
dense nebula
ashen warren
ye pbg has been resprooted
queen iris
This mod is really starting to look like its own game
eager ivy
Holy crap Plaguebringer looks awesome
alpine copper
Probably why fab is starting to stress from dangerous levels to makingyouafraidthathewillmurdersomeoneinanymoment levels@queen iris
hollow shell
@unique vector Beta testing is currently restricted to cooldudes because test versions contain spoilers and new features that we don't want revealed to the public
and cooldudes are trusted enough to not do that
lusty idol
@unique vector I'm sure Devs and whoever are capable of ironing out bugs themselves. Plus, beta testers need to be trusted and what not and that stuff is time consuming.
unique vector
@hollow shell ah mk, didnt know that
@lusty idol imo the time it would take for that would be worth it, but i see your point
lusty idol
Yeeter. Sorry for double reply. We both were responding at closely the same time.
cyan lagoon
uhh
ashen warren
tf someone has my profile pic
cyan lagoon
yharim is going to be a boss
ashen warren
Yharim- oh
upper zinc
tbh in any mode all 3 bosses should spawn between phases on DoG, just with slightly lowered stats
it really draws out the fight
plus, it makes sense that they'd be less powerful, because you've already killed them and they're still recovering! they valiantly try to interrupt the fight/are pushed into the fight by DoG and try to ambush you, similarly to prov's guardians
heady comet
Each of them already have a third of their health
upper zinc
.... then why are they spaced out?
wanton sun
Ceaseless void is a pushover
Since his dark energy things don't spawn he just takes one hit
wanton sun
Really? I have the latest version though
digital sparrow
Ceaseless void needs to be stronger in general
Even with everything working it’s kind of a pushover
earnest raptor
@heady comet Void have 1/4 hps.
gritty crow
The sentinels actually used to spawn all at once? Dang I wish I had seen that
hollow shell
@wanton sun Wrong channel
wanton sun
What
hollow shell
What you posted in #suggestions-voting
wanton sun
Oh
hollow shell
(It would be appreciated if you were to delete the aforementioned misplaced message)
wanton sun
*siiiigh
unique vector
if the core planet runs out of the plates, then planetary slimes spawn that drop it
neon panther
But tbh you don’t use it for much
unique vector
@neon panther thats just how i text... i dont like making lengthy messages considering some people just call that a chat wall
neon panther
And it gives more than it looks like
little jolt
sorry for cutting up my speech 
neon panther
:p
Pretty much a wall of text is like.. a paragraph, btw. One or two sentences is fine
Anyways I’m tired so g’night
little jolt
👋
ashen warren
Is the Wiki done?
neon panther
Wiki is not done, but cinderplate is on it and ready to be read
lunar dirge
Ok thx
ashen warren
Is Voidstone on it
unique vector
ashen warren
Chaos Elementals are Hallow Enemies tho and I don’t think the represent true chaos
its the name
bitter drift
and there is the other chaos elementals the pre hard mode ones
ashen warren
the granite elemental looking things that drop enchanted swords ?
Wait, why name them chaos if chaos is kind the same thing as a calamity
crude quartz
that’s Cosmic Elemental you dingus
ashen warren
shut up you clod
crude quartz
for pre-hm Calamity mobs
bitter drift
is that cosmic
crude quartz
yes it’s cosmic
bitter drift
i didn't know
crude quartz
Chaos is the vanilla one
unique vector
you shouldnt necessarily try to relate two items based on name alone but ig thats just my gamer side talking
crude quartz
yeah it doesn’t even fit to have them drop essence of chaos
ashen warren
^
crude quartz
which is dropped by hell creatures
ashen warren
And Dungeon Enemies
wanton sun
Only the assassin drops essences though
crude quartz
yeah I wouldn’t count dungeon enemies as a whole there
ashen warren
Ok
bitter drift
i think someone how is braking him self a part and rebuilding his self is a good thing that represents chaos
ashen warren
i think it would make more sense if he was actually red
crude quartz
and spawned in hell
bitter drift
chaos doesn't have to be red
ashen warren
pink doesnt exactly represent chaos
crude quartz
aka
it doesn’t make sense for him to drop them
ashen warren
unless we're talking about pinkie
unique vector
colors are only meant to stereotypically represent something
wanton sun
And assassin is mainly hell enemy
bitter drift
no they are dungeon enemies
unique vector
similarly to how "blue represents boys and pink represents girls"
bitter drift
then why the fuck is he a girl
unique vector
chaos is stereotypically a shade of red or just black
ashen warren
would you say a pink humanoid enemy would be reasonably able to be a dropper of an essence usually represented by the color red
the inner peridot kicked in there
bitter drift
how to say that
unique vector
it doesnt have to be red lol
crude quartz
color red and also hell
bitter drift
and black is death
unique vector
do u always represent luck with green? no
crude quartz
yes
ashen warren
would you represent luck with red
bitter drift
reason the 4 leaf plant
bitter drift
no idk what is it called in English
placid stag
Clover?
unique vector
4 leaf clover?
bitter drift
yes
unique vector
ok
what about chinese new year and red envelopes
??
those are based on red representing luck
ashen warren
i assume you're chinese
unique vector
no
bitter drift
but it isn't all of the world
ashen warren
i didnt even say anything rude
bitter drift
rude
ashen warren
dont be a clod for no reason bud
unique vector
its not rude ???
bitter drift
yes it is
placid stag
Whoa whoa whoa, don't argue here plz
unique vector
i mean maybe its bc im in the US that chinese customs are common knowledge
placid stag
Keep it centered on the item
bitter drift
when he calls me a moron i will argue
unique vector
yeah point is, you can use whatever color to represent whatever bc its all based on preference
i never even directed anything at u bud
lol
placid stag
But seriously, I don't really see a good reason other than the name for essence of chaos to drop from chaos elems
unique vector
^
ashen warren
wwaat
bitter drift
nvm
placid stag
Just feels a bit... Strange seeing it drop from chaos elementals
ashen warren
_> not sure how people would feel about my suggestion
whats the point of that
most auric recipes involve all of those materials anyway
placid stag
So... You want the auric set to be simpler
ashen warren
Yes
ruby cobalt
making an extra crafting recipe just so the tree becomes longer?
while also requiring more sprites and "coding"?
which would also take up space?
placid stag
Yeh. It's a bit unnecessary
ashen warren
Yeah I can see why this would suck
placid stag
Especially if it's only purpose is to simplify a tier
ashen warren
I’ll save it for another suggestion
placid stag
Maybe it'll be considered when the mod expands?
ashen warren
prrrrrobably not
placid stag
Depends on the direction the mod takes
ashen warren
Copper Shortsword Recipe
GODLY
exoblade crafting tree is big because its an exo weapon
placid stag
Nah m8. Wooden Hammer recipe
ashen warren
all exo weapon trees are big
placid stag
I can only imagine the next tiers
ashen warren
i dont think there will be any tiers after exo
Shadowspec is technically a tier above Auric
placid stag
Wonder if we can make an upgrade to exoblade once we get past Yharim
ashen warren
shadowspec is developer
Still a tier in my eyes
No pun intended
i dont get the pun
placid stag
Eyy
ashen warren
Lol
placid stag
Do I explain
ashen warren
Let’s not explain it
placid stag
Ok
placid stag
Ok
ashen warren
Ok
placid stag
Do we like, move it?
ashen warren
Let’s just let it die
Welp, time to pull out the computer and pull out my old suggestions and edit the fuck outta them
placid stag
Anyway, the pre-hm cosmolight
ashen warren
There’s no purpose to adding something that is already in game
placid stag
Hm?
placid stag
And how would you fit that in the recipe of the original cosmolight
It's just a consumable cosmolight
ashen warren
I didn’t read the whole thing 
Suggestion pretty gud
You know what’s a little sad?
placid stag
Hm?
ashen warren
People rarely ever read document suggestions
know what else is sad
Hmm
btw i left the server and came back
i had to wait the ten minutes again you clod
anyway
lel
something else sad is that 70% of the recent suggestions are really
REALLY confusingly bad
placid stag
welkum 2 twenny eyteen
ashen warren
Yeah, probably because the creativity engine has been inactive
placid stag
Hm, you want astrageldon to be useful?
ashen warren
Yes
dull kite
I dunno 'bout that 
ashen warren
With a heavy buff, of course
how bout
just nightmare fuel and endothermic energy
Okek
and make it post dog
just make the buff a LOT more projectiles and make it shoot faster
I let the devs decide what the buffs are
dull kite
I can't really see astraslime dropping those, or getting buffed twice is all. seems strange to me
ashen warren
Well, they drop from enemies that live in the light of the Pumpkin and Frost moons
maybe a new sprite with cosmilite plating , but that seems too big an inconvenience
placid stag
Aren't Astrageldies just Space King Slimes?
ashen warren
Correction: Space Slime Gods 
placid stag
Which confused me, as The Slime God is relatively weak to other bosses
Despite being
A god
ashen warren
not really ?
ashen warren
How about a post DoG buff, since i would assume after hes dead that the powers of the gods would return to their rightful places/owners
placid stag
Yeh
ashen warren
spirit slime
placid stag
Also since the god eater was defeated
ashen warren
drops a whole bunch of stuff
placid stag
So the god gets stronger
placid stag
exactly
placid stag
I mean the slime god
placid stag
Idk
placid stag
I just thought it'd be a nice detail
dull kite
*still talking about energy stuff i mean, fuels are only available just after DoG, and they're not too difficult/annoying to get.
Fragments, on the other hand, are a pain in the ass to get (cult+pillars & ML is just plain annoying)
ashen warren
¯_(ツ)_/¯
nightmare fuel is eassssy but if you cant kill fast enough you're gonna die
Yeah, thats kind of the issue with the Moon Events, they swarm you with enemies that it becomes a nightmare to deal with them
placid stag
Especislly with the demon trophy on
ashen warren
_> By then people have aready used it
placid stag
Some peeps like it without the spawn rate multiplier
But yeh
Just getting swarmed by moon mons
round prairie
iv always wondered what class calamity would ever make
round prairie
i imagine it would take a big learning curve with high damage as the result seing thats the whole basis of calamity
ok
but lets think hypathetical
placid stag
Like Vehemence?
ashen warren
like wardcliff coil from destiny 2
round prairie
it has to be something demonic id imagine
placid stag
Yeah, like Vehemence
round prairie
Vehemence?
ashen warren
its a rocket launcher that looks like a little microphone
placid stag
Insert bard class joke here
placid stag
An Upgraded Celebration?
round prairie
so a roid raged ghalahorn?
ashen warren
yeah pretty much
round prairie
not gonna lie, i was one of those people who bought the ghalahorn first week of destiny 1 when everyone was saying to not buy it and then when people figured out it can 1 turn the VOG i didnt really use it for some reason
ashen warren
one phasing bosses is really satisfying
placid stag
Keep it to Calamity plox
round prairie
fine
ashen warren
it derived off of a discussion you clod
placid stag
Yes, I'm just trying to get back
round prairie
i could see something like a demon class, using items related to stuff like the 7 levels and stuff like that
far fetched, but could work given time and balance
its either 7 or 11 levels i forgot
placid stag
???
round prairie
7 levels of hell
ashen warren
7 deadly sin weapons lol
round prairie
Wrath, guttony, sloth, lust, greed, and i forgot the wrest
round prairie
so a coin gun
ashen warren
yeah ..
bitter drift
that slime isn't much of a nightmare full for me
round prairie
wrath would be high ass damage but you take damage over time while holding the weapon
bitter drift
maybe perphorators/hive mind with a massive buff post DoG will drop nightmare full
placid stag
Greed could have increased money drops
Although I don't see how that would be useful
In this stage of the game
Ye forgot Pride and Envy
Pride could maybe buff yourself. I guess
bitter drift
on what are you talking about it does't relate to a suggestion
placid stag
We're talking about a hypothetical suggestion
bitter drift
where is it
round prairie
a class, then that turned into how it would be a demon class based on the 7 deadly sins
placid stag
Or just make it all True Damage
ashen warren
nah
round prairie
pride as a buff thing would be cool
bitter drift
then greed can buff all damage and will make you the first target in multiplayer
round prairie
i feel like if its off like demonic stuff like deal with the devil
it needs be very OP in what it does, but have a negative affect
placid stag
Greed would be higher drop rates or more coins
placid stag
Thatd make greed a bit pointless
placid stag
But ok
bitter drift
isn't there a wrath potion
placid stag
Greed could inflict s debuff on an enemy making rare drops easier
placid stag
Compared to the others
bitter drift
but will make you the first target in multiplayer
round prairie
we could also have the armor and accesories be based on like history like demonic or dark creatures and stuff
bitter drift
golden apple will be a greed accessory
yes i'm still know the not jew side of this even if i'm a jewed my self
round prairie
goblet of youth or what ever its called
i like how one theoretical question brought us so far
ashen warren
wrathmail - a chestpiece that you wear that still counts as an armor piece for set bonuses to take effect . basically , every time you use a greed weapon (weapons tba) you gain a stack of a buff , which is called sinful soul , which is a small DoT that gets progressively more damaging the more stacks of the buff you have . buff goes from 1 dps to 50 dps depending on the amount of stacks you have . stack debuff starts at 25 buff stacks and ends at 500 , gaining one stack per weapon use . the upside of the armor is 30% increased greed weapon usage at 250 stacks of the debuff ( 25 damage per second overtime ) and 50% increased greed damage at max debuff stacks ( 50 dps overtime )
bitter drift
yes yes that it
ashen warren
i would have formatted that better but mobile shenanigans
ashen warren
stacks go away at 25 per second once you switch off of a greed weapon
ill keep that suggestion in mind to format once i get access to my computer again
anyway
lets talk weapons
ruby cobalt
save it so you don't forget it
ashen warren
i wont
placid stag
Hm
ashen warren
i might get it in a few days
placid stag
Envy could inflict major debuffs to enemies
ashen warren
greed should be a sword thats like the inflation sword from UoS ( bad mod )
i think scaling might be an option , but i think every greed weapon stops scaling after the first scale
and theres a bunch of bosses that dont scale the weapons in between
theres like 30 bosses in calamity , which means with scaling , every greed weapon could scale once with 2 or 3 bosses where it becomes obselete
placid stag
Ok
wanton sun
@unique vector being able to switch time is prehardmode is too overpowered
Even with cosmolight already it's super overpowered
bitter drift
wrath should be a high risk high reward class
ashen warren
i dont think it will be a class
bitter drift
or what ever it will be
placid stag
Item
ashen warren
more rather a subclass of weapons
wanton sun
There are already classes like that
bitter drift
like - lots of defense + damage
placid stag
So... Extreme Ale?
bitter drift
less defense then summon defense
ashen warren
its basicalt a few moments of very high dps that requires timing to use
placid stag
Upgraded Tipsy Debuff?
ashen warren
but not usable for a long time
without
you know , killing yourself
@ruby cobalt whyd you tell me to save it lol
ashen warren
oof
placid stag
So, what do we have
ashen warren
Making a suggestion that is actually balanced and reasonable takes forever to make
Doesn’t help when your computer gets unplugged and it doesn’t have a battery that holds
my suggestion is somewhat balanced i guess
high dps for 10 seconds or so but having to watch out for your health sounds sort of balanced to me
Glass cannon balancing
reasonable
And great my computer is updating when ther wasn’t a fucking update
sounds normal
It rarely happens
did i make a happen
No
My computer getting unplugged apparently made that happen
oh
not entirely the question i was asking
Well your question officially confused me
did i make a balanced glass cannon suggestion
Seems reasonable to me
oof
Computer is up and running again
oofofof