yeah more of layer 4.7 honestly
#suggestions-discussion
fervent zealot
dense girder
layer 4.733481224 tbh
gusty geode
I like that Destroyer Staff, but the fact that It's a worm summon may not sit well with some
fervent zealot
worm summons? 👀
gusty geode
Also late pre-hardmode to early hardmode is about the only time you have more than one option, so maybe not the best choice
dense girder
evan go way
gusty geode
Why no summoning worms? Afaik Mechworm is the only one this mod adds, so it can't be overcrowding
dull kite
it’s a pain in the ass to code apparently
fervent zealot
they're hell to code
and one that obeys normal worm physics would probably be oh god why to code
dull kite
And look at how fucked mechworm is
dense girder
yeah mechworm is pretty broken
fervent zealot
look at how fucked mechworm in multiplayer especially
dense girder
"mechworm, did you detach from your head segment and leave it at spawn 3,000 blocks away again?"
fervent zealot
whoops i'm accidentally shooting mechworms out of my gun
gusty geode
I mean you've got the DoG himself fighting for you, of course it's overpowered 
fervent zealot
oh no skeet and mechworm fused and now it's mechaskeet
things that actually happen on a routine basis with mp mechworm
gusty geode
Why couldn't you just reskin the Dragon Staff itself and change It's stats
fervent zealot
iirc he tried to and it just didn't work
gusty geode
Save yourself a ton of work
fervent zealot
not even joking with that
digital saddle
is coding difficulty why there are so few minions
compared to like
50000000 swrods
opal barn
Coding summons is ass afaik
dull kite
minions like that especially, also summons in general just can be pain
gusty geode
Either way, Summoner needs some variety but that period is not where it should be
fervent zealot
yeah coding summons is absolute ass
i mean look at how few even vanilla has and look at how bad their ai is
dense girder
from now on, when you play summoner
gusty geode
Optic and Imp work fine
dense girder
remember you carry the pain of a dozen developers
fervent zealot
optic and imp are both low iq
gusty geode
And Pygmy works great as long as you don't fly
Only one I had problems with was Spider
vague olive
@high rain
sleek wadi
The only thing that needs to be happening with the waifus is getting Rare Waifu in a Bottle replaced.
Worst item in the mod change my mind.
high rain
i can change it easily, just give me a shotgun
hollow shell
@high rain wdym?
high rain
just joking bro, chill
hollow shell
I mean like,
what's your suggestion?
high rain
i was talking about @sleek wadi suggestion to remove Rare waifu
high rain
others mods already said that they would not add it so it's pointless to talk about it
high rain
but it would be like pet a minion or waifu and get the happiness buff 30 minutes or so
gusty geode
There's already 2 melee weapons, and thanks to Calamity both are obtainable without multiple worlds. So the door is open for more Biome Chest weapons for all classes except melee.
tired haven
Tbh abyss chest should contain throwing weapon but it seems like abyss is a little too overused in thrower already tbh
bitter topaz
@gritty crow that's exactly what the tear does
it just has a delay on it of around 20~ seconds iirc
fervent zealot
^
tired haven
Technically rain changes state immediately (can be seen via radioactive skin debuff) but game takes a while to change graphical appearance
lucid marsh
Yes that
fervent zealot
now an item that lets you control rain's different stages instantly on the other hand
that would be hot
eager rock
what about changing murasama's behavior? he has nice dmg but idk i dont see that weapon so powerful after yharon :S
it* xD
delicate raft
I think there was going to be an upgrade for Murasama
eager rock
it would be a good idea
and maybe change the place u can find it
an underworld shrine is so... anti-climatic i'd say
cobalt ferry
found at bottom of abyss tbh
dull kite
been suggested 50594983849 times
cobalt ferry
up arrow
eager rock
sorry for not seeing all time the suggestions :ssss
ashen warren
wow 90% of these suggestions are
bad
also
@gusty geode that wouldn't work , it would make no-hitting the fight virtually impossible
@gusty geode I don't see the eater of worlds suggestion working out very much
that makes all of the prehardmode fights complete aids
ashen warren
"Some Death Mode changes to a few bosses
Slime God: Instead of Blight Slimes, the Slime Gods will spawn 6 Crimslimes/Corrupt Slimes on death, and the Core will spawn 3 of each.
Hive Mind: at 75%, 50%, and 25% HP, the Hive will spawn a pair of Corruptors.
Eater of Worlds: All Head and Tail segments are invulnerable until all Body segments are destroyed, forcing you to fight it the hard way.
Brain of Cthulu: Creepers inflict Ichor on contact.
Perforaters: All 3 worms are active at the start of the fight."
the brain of cthulhu one isnt so bad
true
bitter topaz
that's fucking rarted
bitter topaz
the brain one would force you to nohit btw
ashen warren
yep
ancient dragon
head and tail are invincible
Are you dense?
bitter topaz
the creepers already inflict 11~ debuffs
sleek wadi
How do people usually fight Perf anyway? Do they fight one at a time or get all 3 at once?
neon panther
Hive mind isn’t bad at all
ancient dragon
One at a time, one adrenaline charge for each is how I did it.
ashen warren
one at a time
bitter topaz
i use the charge for the last one tbh
ashen warren
i made a suggestion similar to the hive mind one
bitter topaz
other two die fast enough that it won't really matter
ancient dragon
Well I'm dodging god so. 
bitter topaz
and if need-be i'd just use rage against the second one
i nohit them in one attempt 
bitter topaz
i can post it right here right now if you want
neon panther
I think this is turning into #calamity-mod-talk
ashen warren
do it
bitter topaz
well, not in here but #calamity-mod-talk cause i don't wanna get warned
ashen warren
understandable 👍
dense girder
ugly
opal barn
That formatting 🤢
bitter topaz
also yeah wtf is that formatting? jesus
opal barn
Must be some mobile shenanigans
hollow shell
@teal shoal What's goin on there?
opal barn
Wait I just noticed that post above, 
vestal comet
Dreadons heart is only good for rage boost, it only helps when you do nothing
So dont nerf it
ashen warren
lmao
ashen warren
melee nerfs ?
no .
melee is in a really good spot balance-wise rn
besides early hardmode
gusty geode
I wanted to make fights more challenging than just deciding when to use Adrenaline/Rage, if these changes make it in, the fights would become more complex/fun
ashen warren
eow and slime god would become complete aids
bitter topaz
it's obvious you haven't played death more than just briefly
ashen warren
death doesn't need to be any "harder"
opal barn
Slime God is one of the best bosses in death mode, he doesn't need any changes
bitter topaz
death isn't a "go fuck yourself" mode anymore, it has actual balance
gusty geode
With the EoW you can just nab a Blade of Grass and stand around swinging
ashen warren
no
opal barn
And EoW is hard enough as it is
ashen warren
you cant
opal barn
Also hello, 200 dmg head hits
ashen warren
EoW is actually really hard in deathmode if you're not prepared
his contact damage is super high
sleek wadi
The EoW change would just make it destroyer, but you used a summon for some reason so now you get overwhelmed by something you couldn't kill fast enough
gusty geode
How is the SG one bad btw
bitter topaz
because he doesn't need the change, nor does he need even more minions
it already has the micromanagement of the gods, deciding which of the 3 it's better to kill
avoiding and weaving through the mines
weaving through the minions left behind
making sure you don't get hit by the core
and also, again. play death before suggesting this garbage
ashen warren
lol
^
complete a deathmode playthrough , and come back to make stuff even harder than it has to be
slime god is super challenging in deathmode already btw
gusty geode
That's only 2 of my 5 suggestions that are bad
bitter topaz
the brain one?
you already get punished with 10 different debuffs already
you don't need fucking ichor on top of that
gusty geode
All 3 perf worms appearing at once makes the fight go by a bit faster for grinders
bitter topaz
that would pretty much force you to nohit because horror+slow slows you to a crawl
no, fucking
just no
gusty geode
Maybe to compensate the Hive is always vulnerable
bitter topaz
all 3 perfs being there at the same time is complete AIDS
sleek wadi
The creepers already give you aids they don't need to give you cancer as well.
bitter topaz
^
gusty geode
No complaints about the Hive change, so I accomplished something here today
bitter topaz
and hive mind is fine as-is, and doesn't need hardmode enemies as minions
gusty geode
Oof
bitter topaz
no those are unique to him
bitter topaz
"ebonian slime spawn"
bitter topaz
not "slimers"
hardmode enemies need to fucking stay in hardmode
the SG change he suggested i just realised he was suggesting the hardmode crimson/corruption slimes
not the blight slimes
which would be even worse
gusty geode
A suggestion to have Possessed Armors rarely spawn in pre-hardmode blood moons got 35 stars a while back
On death mode I mean
bitter topaz
@digital saddle it's a meme weapon, and a tribute to TotalBiscuit iirc
dull kite
yeah^
bitter topaz
would that be complete fucking aids?
ashen warren
nope
dull kite
@digital saddle it won’t be removed. end of story.
bitter topaz
possessed armour are just fighter AI enemies, but having them pre-hm, even if it was rare would be annoying as shit
but the suggestion makes a bit of sense unlike un-needed, unfun boss changes
digital saddle
dont have to ping
if you dont agree thats fine, just my opinion
dull kite
@cobalt ferry don’t type in there
ashen warren
possessed armors aren't a dangerous enemy in phm
dull kite
Tudor delete
cobalt ferry
?
dull kite
ty for*
cobalt ferry
👌
cobalt ferry
screan
tired haven
2nd suggestion regarding halibut meme, now we're starting a new era
bitter topaz
tbh only the cryo and clone suggestions are bad
ashen warren
@gusty geode nice suggestion
bitter topaz
the cryo one would be horrible
ashen warren
👍
bitter topaz
where-as the clone suggestion would actually make her too easy
ashen warren
it would be aids lmao
digital saddle
i just think halibut should not exist
ruins the fun if you actually use it
ashen warren
permanent frozen lasers making you slower in a movement-based fight
not fun
halibut wont get removed
one sec
bitter topaz
the eye one seems really nice tho, it'd make the fight a lot more fun tbh
dense girder
fortnite icon
ashen warren
thats not what i copy pasted lmao
austere orchid
surprised i only got 5 stars.
but alright.
bitter topaz
since the eye currently is just play mage - wait for adren - get it down to half health - pop it - win
hollow shell
@gusty geode You should probably clarify that those changes are indeed Death Mode changes
sleek wadi
They only said it wasn't getting nerfed, they never said anything about removal 
bitter topaz
plz no cultist aids again
sleek wadi
Probably not getting axed, but still.
bitter topaz
he got nerfed for a reason
ashen warren
it literally says'
"it aint getting nerfed"
its not getting removed either
probably
digital saddle
cultist should be buffed
cultist is a joke of a fight
sleek wadi
In expert mode
ashen warren
not rly
bitter topaz
cultist is really, really annoying
sleek wadi
I'm not sure about the higher difficulties
digital saddle
all the attacks are super hyper telegraphed
ashen warren
he's really easy because of omniblade
barren rain
Halibut is very very hard to get, why it's so hard
austere orchid
Make cultist an actual fight, the tiny fuck is easy.
ashen warren
halibut isnt hard to get
digital saddle
you'd have to be 8 xanax under not to dodge them
ashen warren
at all
bitter topaz
he already has projectile rain restricting horizontal movement
ashen warren
inb4 someone argues "zerg"
barren rain
Do note that Cirrus also said that he's making weapons that take a lot of time to get stronger a while ago
bitter topaz
magic guns aren't diverse because how the fuck do you make one diverse
same problem as ranger
bitter topaz
the weapon concept is extremely restrictive
ashen warren
its harder than you'd think lol
neon panther
it shoots swords
gusty geode
Piranha Gun was pretty unique, even if nobody uses it
sleek wadi
The halibut is an issue to me because it goes back on the changes he made to the legendary weapons. Other than that it could be a fun weapon.
gusty geode
-The LORDE was reincarnated as a gun- 
ashen warren
lorde is a dead meme
tired haven
Do we need more though
digital saddle
you can say the same with bows lol
cobalt ferry
space gun is the first magic gun
gusty geode
Bee Gun is awesome
digital saddle
its not taht hard to make a unique gun
cobalt ferry
no
sleek wadi
And how many tomes exist pre-hardmode. Now how many of them are comparable to Water Bolt.
ashen warren
bows are much more open to be unique
bitter topaz
it, really, really is
digital saddle
ur thinkking inside the box
vestal comet
What kind of magic gun would you want, one that fires faster or one that has insane damage
ashen warren
the more fun option
gusty geode
A jellyfish gun that works as a pre-hardmode Piranha Gun?
versed grotto
summoning legendary weapon please
cobalt ferry
lazer beam
tired haven
Faster then prolly
versed grotto
drops from providence
sleek wadi
With a prism gun, I'd expect it to be a constant laser.
cobalt ferry
just a solid lazer beam
vestal comet
But that still be way too op
tired haven
Honestly when I hear prism gun, I imagine Luxin Cannon from EtG
tired haven
Nah, p90 is carried by ammo
cobalt ferry
make it hit enemy immune frames then
yea
also
theres no good may to get endless mana early on
no mana flower or cuffs
tired haven
Mana Flower is pretty early wdym
gusty geode
Um
vestal comet
But if there was a weapon like that it would probably be hardmode
cobalt ferry
thats the problem
vestal comet
And theres already yharons crystal
digital saddle
well
cobalt ferry
we need a Early prehardmode magic gun
gusty geode
All the materials for both of those can be obtained pre-boss
vestal comet
Why a magic gun
digital saddle
except on mobile
gusty geode
Space Gun is pretty easy to get actually
cobalt ferry
cause there are only 4 prehardmode magic guns
tired haven
I wonder when people would understand actual benefits of mana flower
cobalt ferry
and ones a spacegun upgrade
vestal comet
But theres no reason for other magic guns
cobalt ferry
the other is a bee gun thats post bq
gusty geode
Potentially infinite mana from the flower
vestal comet
Theyd all be the same
cobalt ferry
i want magic guns not to be farm space gun, kill everything phm, get lazinator, win
gusty geode
How about Star Wrath but it's magic
digital saddle
mana flower sucks
there is no reason to use it if you can press J
and on top of that you dont want to be using mana potions much anyways
tired haven
8% mana reduction + maximum delay between pots?
digital saddle
8% mana reduction is not worth an accessory slot
cobalt ferry
using mana pots with the lazer gun idea i suggested would make it do 1 damage
vestal comet
But why more magic guns, not like the shroomite armor where some armors benefit only 1 type of weapon
digital saddle
just use mana regen pot
cobalt ferry
cause defense
tired haven
- not getting distracted by mashing J strategically
Mana regen pot makes you stop firing for like 20-50% of time, seriously?
vestal comet
What do you mean defense?
Want a good prehardmode magic item use the waterbolt
That thing is still op in rev/death mode early on
digital saddle
and mana flower means you're using an accessory to press j for you
cobalt ferry
but i want to use magic GUNS
vestal comet
Why?
cobalt ferry
not books or staffs
digital saddle
it was pretty good before mana sickness was a thing
gusty geode
You know who needs a Death Mode buff?
Golem
digital saddle
but now i wouldnt touch it
cobalt ferry
those are oversaturated
cobalt ferry
there are 4 pre hardmode guns
vestal comet
And?
cobalt ferry
with meteor gun being tohe first obtainable
cobalt ferry
and the rest being post bosses
hollow shell
@delicate raft King Slime already does that?
hollow shell
You should probably be more specific
cobalt ferry
i want playing magic guns to not be completely stale pre hardmode
tired haven
KS doesn't teleport midair rn
Not consistently at least
vestal comet
Maybe just have him do the slime god leap
hollow shell
Somebody else suggested a timer rather than a distance thing
which would be better
tired haven
Astrageldon but it's prehm?
hollow shell
Because currently, you can be close enough to the point where he won't teleport but also won't be able to hit you
vestal comet
Have him do a slime god leap
ashen warren
uhm
that would make golem unnecessarily hard and literally the most annoying boss in the game
as if he wasn't already in vanilla
tired haven
He wasn't smh
gusty geode
He was apparently pathetically easy
tired haven
Ahaha vry fny
ashen warren
he wasn't hard
tired haven
Take altar out and pee on him 24/7
ashen warren
its just he was a pain to farm lihzahrd cells in vanilla
gusty geode
I've heard people say he wasn't even worthy of being called a boss
ashen warren
lasers firing at max capacity throughout ALL of phase two ?
he still hits pretty hard , he's just not hard to dodge
those changes would make him near off impossible to dodge
homing fireballs , lasers firing every half a second , and double jumps would be insanely difficult to get used to as a one off change
gusty geode
That's why it's Death and not Rev
tired haven
Make all of that shit apply when golem is fought outside of temple
Simple and good
ashen warren
fighting death golem inside the temple
is actually pretty difficult if you're ass at dodging
like 90% of this community
sarcasm
fleet fox
You're actually right
gusty geode
Was going to check polls to see which bosses needed to be made harder, but the only related one I could find was 2 months out of date and for rev :(
shell lynx
I highly dislike golem in rev and death inside the temple
fleet fox
Ye
fleet fox
Specially when your Temple Room came straight out of a nightmare
gusty geode
Clear the floors first, spiky balls are probably the biggest threat
ashen warren
its not the traps that make it hard
cobalt ferry
its his fists
ashen warren
fists and fireballs
gusty geode
Lasers tho
ashen warren
i honestly love flask weapons
they're so satisfying to use
thats why i like sacredtools so much
gritty crow
Fixed my suggestion up. Saw the confusion
dense girder
at least 2 items like that have been suggested and reached 35+ stars one of them was mine 
other one i can't remember whose
gritty crow
Well it’s still not in game so reeeeeeeeeeee
Actually though? If that’s the case I’ll clear mine
dense girder
alright
unlike regular terraria fab doesn't like minor updates for items
only the mid-to-big size ones
dense girder
considering the pain of uploading to modbrowser / the annoyance of another manually-downloaded update makes sense
ashen warren
^
barren rain
What's special about 35?
neon panther
your suggestion gets sent to the dev channel
where it has a much higher chance of getting in
not 100%
but higher
barren rain
Oh cool
neon panther
i think the bot is down rn, so someone has to do it manually
but normally a bot will do it automatically
barren rain
That's p cool
bitter topaz
it's evan's job iirc
so he normally scrapes through the channel once a day and logs them
dull kite
at this point I just look at them and yell at people
afaik they get forwarded to server by devs
evan big minimod 
sleek wigeon
@teal shoal tank builds arent that good post ml, so why should they be nerfed?
cobalt ferry
yea
barren rain
My thing needs a star :l
cyan lagoon
lorde is a dead meme, i'm not going to star it
dull kite
does syntax error crash the game?
barren rain
Yes
dull kite
oh okay don’t change it
barren rain
My thing needs one so others can vote though
dull kite
unless you’re going to make it automatically delete the game upon use
“lorde is a dead meme, i'm not going to star it”
either way I doubt it would be added by how sick fab/other devs/people are from lorde stuff
ashen warren
the odds of that getting in are lower than the odds of me getting a girlfriend
and lemme tell ya
thats really fuckin low
barren rain
Where does it say that?
dull kite
Why don’t suggestions that break rules get deleted by staff
ashen warren
pins
white laurel
good question evan
dull kite
never really understood that 
ashen warren
the spriter would have to decide if they want that or not
austere orchid
I mean sprite wise..
Not actual lore.
ashen warren
its 100% the spriters decision
bitter topaz
^
bitter topaz
PBG is getting a resprite anyway iirc
ashen warren
iirc the sprites getting polished right now , and its mostly done
bitter topaz
it looks fuckin' amazing currently though
austere orchid
I haven’t seen it.
dense girder
link?
austere orchid
In fact who is the spriter of PBG?
neon panther
L0st
austere orchid
Ah, right.
barren rain
You'd probably need to buff the sword for that
austere orchid
I won’t ping him, not really necessary.
ashen warren
um
dull kite
meme spotted
ashen warren
definitely not
bitter topaz
clever pendant
ashen warren
next years april fools
dull kite
yelling sequence initiated
bitter topaz
i'm saving that PBG tbh
dense girder
where 
ashen warren
blurry
dense girder
oh my god
neon panther
yeah I’m on mobile so i had to inhale screenshot it
neon panther
..art server
dull kite
@novel fulcrum why?
dense girder
where did you find it
neon panther
from: l0st_ has: image and scrolled
ashen warren
one sec
neon panther
but this is getting kinda #calamity-mod-talk
ashen warren
ill get you an iphone quality
dense girder
yeah let's fuck off out of here
ashen warren
he gave you an android quality pic
dense girder
android is good shut
neon panther
it’s not far
quasi fable
I just had a silly idea
A plague vaccine
That makes you immune to the plague debuff
Consumable
neon panther
also what I posted isn’t the full sprite, sorry. The full one has some nice boosters on it
anyways I should get into calamity talk
dull kite
Oyes a blackhand suggestion
dense girder
Black the one problem here is that you're mashing it all into one doc that sounds ominous and big
And from experience we know people here don't like reading
ashen warren
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/404775224106811412/471807289817563147/PBG_Upright_clone_3.gif
"not far back"
dense girder
🤤
dull kite
I know frous made a hot AS sprite but that’s fucking 
ashen warren
there WAS 80 pages of text overall
i only had to scroll through 10
its so clean looking
gusty geode
So here's the v0.01 of a new suggestion I have:
Expanding the Abyss inward a bit to create the Abyssal Caverns biome. You know how air pockets can sometimes form in water-filled caves? This is one of those. It's mostly underwater, but from time to time you'll find air with unique enemies. Basically Maridia from Super Metroid.
In case you were wondering, my main inspiration was the tiny pockets that already spawn on the outer side of the Abyss.
austere orchid
this is Discussions smartass
vague olive
You can post suggestions here for discussion smartass
austere orchid
like saying #suggestions-voting is irrelevant smh
vague olive
Read pins
You post your suggestion here for discussion and then post it in suggestions after getting criticism
ashen warren
its called suggestions_discussion for a reason
you discuss your suggestion first
and then post it
dull kite
Black, iirc there is a bug with summon weapons that summon multiple enemies
gusty geode
So I triggered a small flame war but got no actual criticism 
dull kite
bitter topaz
these 3 were actually pretty good imo
Eye of Cthulu: Instead of 3 straight charges, it performs a single Duke Fishron-like loop, during which it summons a large swarm of Servants.
Plantera: When she reaches her second phase, she launches 6 thorn balls in random directions.
King Slime: Only spawns Spiked Blue Slimes.
barren rain
For the eye though, how big is the swarm?
bitter topaz
the first batch was horrid, the cryo one would be really annoying, and the clone one would make her too easy imo
gusty geode
Not what I was referring to but ok
ashen warren
the clone one would make her insanely easy
gusty geode
I was thinking like 20
ashen warren
she would take like 10 seconds to kill in her second phase
she would have no invulnerability phases if i understand correctly
bitter topaz
20 would be beyond overkill, 5-10 would be fine
gusty geode
Go up in this channel a bit for what I wanted criticism on
ashen warren
20 ice golems ?
bitter topaz
so an abyss expansion? seems neat but it needs a rework imo
ashen warren
or 20 what
bitter topaz
i think he meant for the eye one
gusty geode
20 servants of Cthulu
bitter topaz
10 would be better
gusty geode
Probably ye
ashen warren
10
bitter topaz
it could go like so, normal 3 dashes, 5 second wait, spin, repeat
bitter topaz
you get 10 seconds to deal with each servant wave, and it makes the eye not piss easy ofc
quiet abyss
“Eye of Cthulu: Instead of 3 straight charges, it performs a single Duke Fishron-like loop, during which it summons a large swarm of servants”
I approved
👌
dull kite
👍
neon panther
and make EoC no-hit much harder
bitter topaz
it'd make it much more fun as well
neon panther
rn you just.. run
barren rain
Backpedal with Crystalline or Mana Rose = win
quiet abyss
The servants die quite easily tho, so after avoiding them you can just kill them off quite quickly
neon panther
haven’t used mana rose before, what does it do?
bitter topaz
1 main projectile which splits into 6 more when the projectile "dies"
bitter topaz
it's obscenely OP for the eye
neon panther
Also we should move to calamity talk or get back to suggestions
@dusky beacon go to #help-advice-read-pins
or did you mean make them appear closer
brave warren
wtf
dense girder
exactly
sleek wigeon
aand replace WHAT?
rugged finch
yes we need this emote
dense girder
hmm
brave warren
dargon or salt
dense girder
dargon
sleek wigeon
Salt is good you monster
tepid wadi
An unoriginal cat emote in my opinion
dense girder
never used in all the time i've been here
tbh replace dargon with wtf and salt with yourdidit
neon panther
^
vague olive
Its only been used 256 times
dull kite
Yourdidit more important
dull kite
yes it would
vague olive
Hyperfailure has been used more and that was p recent
dull kite
I have made a yourdidit cult.
vague olive
Im leaving the cult
bitter topaz
has anyone actually seen 
used besides saying it shouldn't exist?
bitter topaz
and aren't the same emote
dense girder
I'm talking about HyperEthanJudge you fuck
HyperFailure I know was after Wish
but I have no idea for HEJ
since that was added when I wasn't here, after I left
bitter topaz
Hyperfailure has been used more and that was p recent i thought you somehow managed to get these confused
dense girder
I'll eat your big rod, food mod
bitter topaz
vague olive
Im not dumb smh
dense girder
you can't say that and then misspell a word and then use an abbreviation in the same sentence
vague olive
Shut up
lusty idol
Apparently incorrect punctuation makes your point invalid
Seriously, one god damn punctuation error and your whole point is fucking shit and is thrown out the window.
sinful egret
not to reasonable people
lusty idol
^
sinful egret
just little brats who cant think of actual counters
quiet abyss
^
sinful egret
also, punctuation is stuff like not having periods at the end scnesh
i agree with you, but i also want to tell you that you were using that word wrong
lusty idol
I was too lazy to add in grammar and spelling. But yeah, you're right.
sinful egret
gotcha
quiet abyss
@sleek yew What? When bh ends the bullets are all gone too. If you keep track of the bh duration you have plenty of time to react to SCal
Atleast about half a second after bh ends
lusty idol
wat mean @sinful egret
sinful egret
what do you mean what do i mean?
sinful egret
it was just me kind of indicating i understood i guess
lusty idol
yeah, i was so hard to figure out like 3-4 different meanings
sinful egret
lol
sleek yew
@quiet abyss scal will move back when she is firing those abysal fireblasts, if you are behind her when the bh ends and she is in that phase, you can be hit right off the bat
quiet abyss
I never get hit from that tbh
quiet abyss
Usually during bh SCal is in the middle of the arena while Im at either top left or top right
So she never pointblank me after bh ends
sleek yew
oof
lusty idol
I do the same too. When I die to SCal, I try so hard to recite in my head, "This isn't bullshit, I'm just mad."
SCal almost cost me my hand, after already fracturing it in school
sleek yew
how
calm loom
324635543268884480>
lusty idol
Kinda embarrassing the way I fractured it
dull kite
minimod comment incoming but explain how you fractured your wrist in general instead of suggestions discussion please 
dense girder
Shnesh yes
ashen warren
wait what the hell
wh
why does it say i said that
im so confused
is that only my screen ?
BRO
my discord is fucking high
it cuts off in the middle
and continues in the other chat
so it looked like i sent that
mobile discord is ass lmao
gusty geode
Why do you have 99+ notifications
lusty idol
@dull kite I mean, I know it went off topic a little but according to rules its okay. I didnt prolong the conversation about it by adding context behind fracture, which I just simply said it was embarrassing to talk about to end it.
gusty geode
Behold, a very badly built example of the Abyssal Caverns
"So here's the v0.01 of a new suggestion I have:
Expanding the Abyss inward a bit to create the Abyssal Caverns biome. You know how air pockets can sometimes form in water-filled caves? This is one of those. It's mostly underwater, but from time to time you'll find air with unique enemies. Basically Maridia from Super Metroid.
In case you were wondering, my main inspiration was the tiny pockets that already spawn on the outer side of the Abyss."
Reposting for context
barren rain
Looks cool to me
gusty geode
While building this I discovered that it's the coordinates, not the blocks, that make the Abyss what it is, I had to use free-cam to get the water the right color
lusty idol
I like this cavern idea. I think it might help with the sides of the Abyss because right now it's just a wall with spots of abyss gravel
It could be a separate entrance into the abyss for later game. Maybe when you have the right pickaxe, you can mine through these caverns and traverse through. That is to say, the caverns have to be perfectly cut off with no natural entrances, which will be difficult.
gusty geode
To do that you'd need to either up the pickpower needed to break Abyss Gravel or make the caverns out of a new block (Compact Abyss Gravel? ) as well as give it Temple-like anti-teleport/RoD/Actutator defenses
barren rain
Rod is already unusable in Abyss
lusty idol
Yeah, that would work. Depending on where these caverns would start, for example layer 3-4, maybe Pressurized Gravel that needs some sort of hardmode pick to break it.\
gusty geode
Maybe it could start at Layer 2, work it's way down alongside the regular Abyss, then pass and go under it all the way to the bottom of the world to form a 5th layer in the Underworld, cut off from the other 4
barren rain
A boss for here would be great, but we're not supposed to suggest that
earnest raptor
lusty idol
No, doesnt affect chopping trees
ashen warren
no what
lusty idol
Tested it before I did that because I was when I was chopping
lusty idol
I didnt feel a difference after buffing and trying, then without buff and trying
lusty idol
Molten Hamaxe
ashen warren
Bruh why the warframe references
sleek wadi
idk, ask the guy who added Soma Prime
lusty idol
That is what the axe is called
bitter topaz
this weapon is a reference to warframe oh mah gawd
ashen warren
lmao
bitter topaz
tbh that was the best meme rename i've seen fab do
muted jay
dude i just couldn't not think about it
i even considered the soma prime being renamed to this weapon is a reference to warframe oh mah gawd and still thought it would fit perfectly
ashen warren
muted jay
i mean, their AI is almost perfectly comparable to the AI of lots of even vanilla terraria summons
dont judge me cuz im right 
ashen warren
muted jay
uneven spoke
hazy glacier
you’re good bro
ashen warren
lmao i was about to suggest a fleshy doll, but it's already in fargo's mod
dull kite
It's already been suggested to be sold by the Witch Doctor, and has over 35 stars..
So I would have screamed at you if you posted it
hollow shell
@sinful violet get in here
sinful violet
wha
brave warren
remove #suggestions-voting thing pl
hollow shell
oof did you ban them?
muted jay
like if owned
hollow shell
I mean that's the most efficient way to get rid of the messages, but they were already muted
sinful violet
left, apparently
hollow shell
oh.
bitter topaz
ban him on the way out imo
sinful violet
do i
bitter topaz
you risk him coming back, and it's safe to assume it might've been a bot
hollow shell
Just mute em if they come back
sinful violet
Yeah, fair
hollow shell
or something
sinful violet
They only have ten messages here too, which is odd
And they seemed to be a nice person, from what I can tell
sinful violet
Man, the internet is a weird place
bitter topaz
the speed made me suspicious, but fair enough
gusty geode
Sounds hard to implement, but would be nice
calm temple
They seemed to manage it just fine before.
The menu would make it harder, but they've done harder things.
@wheat inlet 
no shadowspec bars
hollow shell
Yeah sorry, SC drops or Shadowspec Bar item suggestions aren't accepted
cuz those items are reserved for developer dedicated stuff
wheat inlet
barren rain
Is that still going to be the case once SC isn't a superboss anymore?
hollow shell
Those items will prolly be moved to post-Yharim or something
bitter topaz
what i assume is the item ID's will be changed and stuff will replace it
barren rain
Yay they'll prob be buffed then 😛
hazy glacier
@calm temple I like your idea but it wont work with the larger space thing
barren rain
I feel like something that large scale would cause a lot of overlap issues too
with the crags you'd be pasting over a blank space in hell
but it could cause evil island to overlap with normal island, Abyss to generate in the dungeon Oh wait that happens already or shrines to generate over other crap
bitter topaz
you can change the order everything generates in then
~~i'm an idiot and can't read
hazy glacier
abyss generation could probably destroy a ton of stuff
barren rain
already does
bitter topaz
abyss generation would fuck a decent amount of stuff up, and an artificial abyss is fully possible
crags only had an item because brimmy was infact a boss
barren rain
It's not, don't you need the back blocks?
quiet abyss
Actually, abyss biome is coded to only work when you’re at the place where its generate
So artificial abyss biome is impossible unless fabsol changes that
bitter topaz
i meant in old worlds,
quiet abyss
Ah
bitter topaz
since iirc the abyss is randomly applied to one side in them
quiet abyss
Mhm ye
bitter topaz
in pre-abyss worlds it is random afaik
deft jasper
Did someone spam suggestions?
quiet abyss
@ashen warren that would defeat the point of blood orbs tho
ashen warren
I forgot those existed
wide patrol
Blood orbs are pain
deft jasper
make a new world?
barren rain
Buy one from the witchdocter?
teal shoal
@sleek wigeon if you can do provi/yharon as tank than i see no problems with viability, you can just later on swap for summoner/mage for scal maybe too for DoG
barren rain
Or wait, does he sell both dungeon tables?
teal shoal
dog as tank is basically 100% rng if boss hits you with head or not
barren rain
How is that rng?
teal shoal
well as a tank you stay in a place all the time so its if either I.frame saves you or not
teal shoal
because you are tank player who is bored and all what you do is facetanking boss #interactive gameplay
barren rain
That's just called being dumb, your job is to take aggro and survive as long as possible, which means avoiding damage
teal shoal
i do not avoid damage i outheal boss 
easier and less skill requiring #tanks
barren rain
Stupid way to play, but whatever
austere orchid
Not really.
There is no proper way to play.
It’s all down to how the player wants to.
teal shoal
since dodging and doing all things yea its efficient, but its way more funny to look how boss effortlessly tries to defeat you
barren rain
Yes, that's fine if the boss doesn't have a 1 shot mechanic
teal shoal
yea
hollow shell
@pulsar notch his lore was changed lol
worthy fiber
yeah no more meme
vague olive
Is that a meme suggestion i see
dull kite
M E m E
lucid marsh
Wait so what is crabulon’s lore now? Is it still unrelated to the rest of calamity?
barren rain
Calamitas' legendary ocean incineration killed off countless creatures, boiling them alive or leaving them for dead in an inhospitable environment. The large but docile crabs that once roamed the ocean floor sought refuge underground; instinct guided them to the dank caves most resembling their former habitat...but it was simply not enough. The crabs perished in fields of luminescent mushrooms, their corpses becoming host to innumerable fungi. Only the barest scraps of meat remain in their parasite-ridden husks, compelled to move and feed even in death.
lucid marsh
I see
So it’s only the mushrooms given a body, no real crab left
I still think there should be a crabulon 2 at shroomite tier
barren rain
Very little
lucid marsh
Or crabulon should drop shroomite bars post plantera but also be buffed
pulsar notch
if it's dead already anyway, can it just reconglomerate itself to fight another day? 🤔
pulsar notch
aw dang
barren rain
You break the body
lucid marsh
The crab is dead. Not the mushrooms
barren rain
Srsly put that suggestion in #suggestions-voting
pulsar notch
massively buffed
quiet abyss
@lucid marsh Interesting idea lad. This could make crabulon less forgetable
And more useful ofc
lusty idol
Yeah, him dropping shroomite bars actually isnt a bad idea.
pulsar notch
I don't know how to check the pins on mobile also redeem crab works
quiet abyss
part of the reason I like the idea is cause I dont wanna spent time making mushroom farms tbh lmao
lusty idol
Top right 3 dots. "Pinned Messages"
pulsar notch
Mm
lusty idol
^^^
barren rain
Maybe Skeletron could drop Spectre bars?
lucid marsh
Good idea. But then there should be weaker versions of the polterghast weapons craftable from them
quiet abyss
I know you can summon him again using clothier voodoo doll, but spectre bars arent that hard to farm tbh.
All classes need ectoplasms in one way or another
barren rain
Giving alternatives rainbow
quiet abyss
Why did I even bother putting my most well known name in the brackets FeelsBadMan
pulsar notch
Ah, sorry @lusty idol
lusty idol
yyeth. everyone forgets to read pins so is not super bad
pulsar notch
Alright
quiet abyss
If everyone was banned for not reading pins then this server would lost atleast 80% of its members
lusty idol
you didnt know how to so i dont blame you. discord should really have the pin icon there instead of in the three dots in mobile
pulsar notch
turns out it wasn't the three dots, at least for me, but I found it anyway
quiet abyss
lusty idol
oh, it might be different because i have android. idk though
quiet abyss
For me in mobile I tap the channel name at the top, a window will pop up and there’ll be pinned messages at the bottom
lusty idol
The thing literally has only 2 options. both could fit on the top bar
lusty idol
yeeter
clever pendant
Real talk if the Supreme Crabulon ever becomes a thing, which is unlikely, there's actually pretty perf lore made in the art discord
"But one turned this overtaking into cooperation."
opal barn
Supreme Crabulon sounds like a dumb and overused meme
clever pendant
But no like
All the crabs? Not one of them worked with their infection?
clever pendant
Art Discord
Also, better boss name: The Perfect One.
Because "Supreme Crabulon" makes less sense if there is more than one in lore
pulsar notch
True
wide patrol
Perfect One is a meme. Meme suggestions are bad.
vague olive
Its a meme and hes not the perfect one anymore
clever pendant
Okay but hear me out:
That Crabulon has a cult that dubs it as such, hence the name. They think it to be the Perfect One.
Even though it ain't
sudden quail
That sounds awful
wide patrol
Perfect One exists just to spread a dumb cult of shroom lovers across the Terraria fanbase
clever pendant
Hmmst
But whom called it that in lore before
opal barn
Perfect one is a meme
pulsar notch
I got that
opal barn
No memes
pulsar notch
Still biased
clever pendant
Not even if they're dememeified by some lore explaining it?
opal barn
Lore was changed
clever pendant
I know it was changed which is why I have the lore that a friend made for "Perfect One" after the change copied right now
opal barn
Perfect one is supposed to be a boss right
pulsar notch
The Perfect One as a boss would definitely be nice, no guarantees it's gonna happen though
clever pendant
It was a suggestion today but it's not starred yet and highly unlikely it ever will be-
opal barn
There is absolutely no chance a boss suggestion will be accepted
clever pendant
Never? Oh
That's a change from the last I heard on that, which is that it's astronomically impossible
sudden quail
Unless it's a miniboss in that case you have a very small chance of getting it in
opal barn
You can go ahead and delete it to save space for actual suggestions
clever pendant
Source for "you basically have a .01% chance with boss suggestions": Pinkie
opal barn
Pinkie isn't a dev
clever pendant
You are?
opal barn
No but I read pins
sudden quail
OOOOOOH
quiet abyss
What? I never said that tho
clever pendant
Up to three days ago?
quiet abyss
Hmm? I did? Gimme the screenshot
opal barn
Dude, Perfect One is a meme and a boss in one suggestions, that has negative chances of being accepted, deal with it
clever pendant
I didn't take a screenie because I was like "this isn't gonna be important later" also I didn't really have capabilities. Mobile drawbacks
clever pendant
How so? If Apple automatically lets that happen then I guess that's the only advantage over Android
clever pendant
Hm
pulsar notch
I'm fine if they're not taking boss suggestions.
clever pendant
At this point I'm gonna take a wild guess and say my brain is a steaming pile of shit at the memory deal and I'm misatteibuting something
pulsar notch
And that's that, no need to continue or work ourselves up or anything.
opal barn
I thought I was gonna have to call the great noble knight evan
pulsar notch
Or aggravate others,
bitter drift
@lucid marsh so portalgast will drop specter bars at the same logic
quiet abyss
...Spectre bars is unimportant at that point tho
opal barn
Spectre bars aren't even that hard to get
quiet abyss
^
bitter drift
still in his logic that will be a thing
quiet abyss
Just farm ectoplasms and mine chlorophyte
opal barn
Farm and you can also focus on building a polter arena or smth
bitter drift
the clorophyte is the hard thing
sudden quail
Make Spectre bars an ingredient for all the end-game items
quiet abyss
Also, his suggestion is for crabulon to drop shroomite post golem, which is actually a nice suggestion
Since you kinda need shroomite for some stuffs
lusty idol
^
opal barn
I agree with that