suggestions-discussion

[ashen warren]

We have a conundrum

i suggested that before , not the exact suggestion but a yharims gift buff

i still made a completely new suggestion since that was a good month and 1/2 ago

I see

a mini earth

MARS

XD

[white laurel]

@ashen warren SCal drops will only be dev weapons as of now

[ashen warren]

K

But shortswords are c o o l .

[white laurel]

there are plenty of shortswords as it is

[ashen warren]

I’m guessing either Goozma or the Unknown superboss will drop the Dev items after the nerfs

Maybe keep the dev items Scal drops

But

Add mode to the other bosses

No

no

She’s loosing Super Boss status

Oh

Ooooooooooof

[hollow shell]

Yeah, SCal drop suggestons won't be accepted
it partially breaks both the Dev item and Shadowspec item rules

[ashen warren]

O k . ^^^^ O K T O O .

Oof

@lucid marsh

How would that work?

[lucid marsh]

Which one?

[ashen warren]

Both now

[lucid marsh]

I was thinking auric ore + yharon soul fragments + both = combo version, like dragon blood core or something.

[ashen warren]

[lucid marsh]

Hallowed one would be something like astral arcanum + yharim’s gift + nebulous core

[ashen warren]

Astral Arcanum is Revengance exclusive tho

[lucid marsh]

Well that’s just one posibility

[ashen warren]

Yee

[lucid marsh]

Oh I know

[ashen warren]

What would happen if we get all accesories in the game and make it one

apoth and friends is the mod for you

👍🏻

Lol

[calm temple]

Install fargos mutant mod

[ashen warren]

thats not accessories

thats armor

[calm temple]

get the soul of the universe

[ashen warren]

Divine Geodes growing in the Underworld? Probably not a good idea

^

[lucid marsh]

Yharim’s gift + dark sun ring + reaper tooth necklace + nebulous core + something from Providence = Hallowed Soul

[calm temple]

Why not?

It's better than grinding a boss with 400k hp.

[lucid marsh]

Also we need an accessory that summons profaned guardians to aid you

[ashen warren]

Yes

400k hp in this mod is literally nothing

telluric glare and the providence drops melt her

[lucid marsh]

Like fungal clump x3 but only one heals you, one has a ranged attack, and one has a melee attack

So like entropy’s vigil + fungal clump in one accessory

[ashen warren]

What about

[lucid marsh]

And they need to ignore I-frames of course

?

[ashen warren]

@ashen warren what does the orb do

Summoners for the Win!

Lemme fix that

lmao

Done

I decided Summoners need some more love

summoners early game need love

The absorber + yharim's gift

not late game

sponge*

Oof

Well Summoners still need love ://

What about pickaxes

Kill all bosses

With pickaxes

No

Early game son

[sleek yew]

4 minion slots?

[ashen warren]

Too op

2 are good

[sleek yew]

also i thought stuff made from shadowspec bars weren't allowed

[ashen warren]

It has the down side of lost damage reduction

[sleek yew]

so @ashen warren i don't think i that will be added

:p

[ashen warren]

:p

[sleek wadi]

I don't think a combo of Amalgam and Core of the Blood God is necessary. The thing about the world evil super-accessories is that you can only get 1 in a single world because Dryad only sells the other accessory belonging to the cyst boss you didn't get. It's an item that'd require multiple worlds to get so I'd say that it isn't a good item.

[ashen warren]

^^^^^

[fervent zealot]

uh no you can craft amalgam and cotbg in the same world

[ashen warren]

Whatever same message

Wait a minute

I posted stats

[ancient dragon]

evil island
Hm, yes.

[sleek wadi]

Okay so I got the part about what dryad sells wrong but they're counterpart items that shouldn't be combined. We don't need a mega-accessory for everything

[ashen warren]

[violet talon]

we do

it's calamity

[fervent zealot]

see now i agree with you we don't need that much combo

[sleek wadi]

The effects of the 2 are kinda crowded anyway.

[ashen warren]

Si

[fervent zealot]

besides we already have apothfriends for the terrible amalgam

[sleek wadi]

Pretty sure we don't even have enough space to list ALL the effects and simply say "Has the effects of its components" is lame.

[fervent zealot]

haha that's where you're wrong

[ashen warren]

Yeah, it would be pandemonium

[gusty geode]

Take the Top 7 Accessories for fighting SCal and combine them, then throw in Calamitous Essence to make it post-SCal
That way you can remain broken af and still have room for stuff like building accessories and/or abyss diving suit

[ashen warren]

Lol

Apotheosis and Friends

[gusty geode]

The Universe
"Contains the power of everything"

[ashen warren]

No

That’s a Fargo thing, sort of

[sleek wadi]

Lets combine the shields while we're at it

[ashen warren]

[sleek wigeon]

balance? whats a balance?

[gusty geode]

"Blocked"

[sleek wigeon]

also, beetle

[sleek wadi]

Valhallan Wall
Combines the effects of the Asgardian Aegis and Rampart of Deities

[sleek wigeon]

+2 minion slots?
fucking start of game

the fuck?

[gusty geode]

Make it post-unknown superboss and you don't need to balance

[sleek wigeon]

in what universe is that any semblance of balance?

@ashen warren answer for your crimes against humanity!

[gusty geode]

Think of it as post-Skeletron, when you'd normally go after Blight Slimes

[ashen warren]

bad argument

they spawn at any time

you're bound to kill them anyway

[sleek wadi]

For some reason I thought it was a drop from the slime gods themselves

[gusty geode]

Downside of nonlinearity

[ashen warren]

there is no downside

Oof

usually super powerful accessories like that don't drop commonly from a common enemy

[sleek wadi]

Actually as a post SG accessory it'd be neat

[ashen warren]

still

[gusty geode]

It's like pre-boss Water Bolt and Shadow Orb drops

[ashen warren]

2 accessory slots prehardmode for free

thats insane

Lol

[gusty geode]

Or the entire Meteorite set

[ashen warren]

It then I put in the loss of Damage reduction as a balance act on the accessory

@crude river it wont be implemented

[gusty geode]

Or Necro/Jungle Armor for that matter, you can pretty easily ignore balance pre-hardmode

[ashen warren]

scal drops are reserved for dev drops as of rn

necro armor is post skeletron

Why do people not

[sleek wadi]

Necro requires bones which are only dropped Pre-HM from dungeon shit

[ashen warren]

^

[gusty geode]

Bones and Webs, last I checked that's how you make necro

[ashen warren]

bones dont drop from underground skeletons

i spent an hour trying to get them for the skyline wings

trust me

i'd know

Same

[gusty geode]

I have had it happen a lot, but then again that was on mobile so they might have changed it

[ashen warren]

Oof

Mobile is easy

they never dropped bones

[gusty geode]

I'll go to be sure, brb

[ashen warren]

Oof

[sleek wigeon]

post slime god is still hella busted for +2 minion slots.

bee armor, for ref, gives you +2 minion slots. and thats an entire armor set

[ashen warren]

^

[sleek wigeon]

statigel armor only gives you 1 minion slot and a mini slime god

[ashen warren]

the mini slime god is eh

That’s why I think of ways to counter shit :/\

I know some shit is nutty

[sleek wigeon]

no matter how you look at it, +2 minion slots are hella fucking busted prehm.

[ashen warren]

WALL

WALL

OF

TEX

@lucid marsh can you dont drown the whole chat

[gusty geode]

As shrines give you Papyrus Scarab pre-boss

[lucid marsh]

I’ll delete it and put it in a google doc

[sleek wigeon]

sa not even that big of aa wall

it just uses proper spacing

[ashen warren]

That’s way too many spaces between text

lmao ^

[sleek wigeon]

uh, theres the proper AMOUNT of spacing between the text

[ashen warren]

Just use dashes

[gusty geode]

Also, you're right normal skeletons do not drop bones on PC

[sleek wigeon]

its VERY readable

as a result

[ashen warren]

:/ Clogs the chat as a result though

i know im right :))

[sleek wigeon]

also -5% danage reduction doesnt make the thing not busted

[ashen warren]

i have 1850 hours on pc + a lot more on console

Nice

[gusty geode]

Can't argue with both pre-WoF mage sets being obtainable pre-boss tho

[sleek wigeon]

take 5% more damage for 2 minion slots AND +5% minion damage?

[ashen warren]

broken as hell

[sleek wigeon]

^

[ashen warren]

I’ll fix this

if anything

get rid of that and increase the minion damage

[gusty geode]

Again, Papyrus Scarab

[ashen warren]

or make it just +1 minion and 5% damage without the healing thin

nvm about healing

[sleek wigeon]

thats +1 minion slot, scarab

[ashen warren]

wrong suggestion

Not sure if it’s better

1 minion and 10% damage would maybe be better

Hmmm

you made it better

as an accessory

It is

Fuck

we specifically wanted you to nerf it

lmao

[sleek wigeon]

what if it decreased minion damage by like 25%

in exchange for the +2 minion slots?

[ashen warren]

still would be more dps

PHM is weak as fuck though

That’s would just be :p

[gusty geode]

There's always Aqua Scourge

[ashen warren]

slime god summons would be

[sleek yew]

what if

[ashen warren]

Oh boi

[sleek yew]

it would be a glasscannon accessory for summoners, like the reapertooth necklace

[ashen warren]

uhm

no

only reason i say no

because its prehardmode

Si

[sleek yew]

:p

[ashen warren]

@lucid marsh you did it wrong

you have to edit it to make anyone with the link be able to view it

[gusty geode]

Forgot to allow the public to see it

[lucid marsh]

Ok I just did

[ashen warren]

you have to repost

it still got starred

LMAO

[gusty geode]

I could see it before it reposted

[ashen warren]

yay you did it

[gusty geode]

Also does it have to scale with you

[sleek yew]

dun dun dun

[ashen warren]

2 damage buff per boss

thats gonna get weak real quick

unless thats the point

[sleek yew]

damn legendary?

[gusty geode]

I believe upgrades are the better way to go, more variety that way

[sleek yew]

nice

[sleek wigeon]

yeah doing the math, +2 minion slots, even with 33% damage reduction, and starting at 2 minion slots

is still a 32% damage increase

with minions

[lucid marsh]

I redid some stuff on the doc and the suggestion

[sleek yew]

i saw

[ashen warren]

thats

uhm

overpowered as hell

[sleek yew]

now its bosses killed x 5

[lucid marsh]

Instead of squared

[gusty geode]

As is the argument with many overpowered weapons/accessories...

Just don't use it if you think it's too powerful.

[ashen warren]

thats not the point of the fucking mod tho

[lucid marsh]

It’s supposed to be like the old legendaries

[bitter topaz]

that argument is a shitty strawman and you know it

[ashen warren]

also

fabsol

HATED

old legendaries

[sleek wigeon]

Unless its something l ike star cannon or halibut cannon, something that obviously is OP and shreds everything, thats not really a valid arguement

[lucid marsh]

Then I’ll rebalance it

[sleek yew]

you can tell because of community

[ashen warren]

the scaling broke progression and it didn't make the mod balanced whatsoever

[bitter topaz]

ffs i generally hate the "if it's OP don't use it hurdur"

[ashen warren]

community is balanced tho

[sleek wigeon]

It wasnt so much that scaling broke progression

[sleek wadi]

Fabsol hated legendaries yet added Halibut Cannon.

[lucid marsh]

Ok, how do I balance it like community

[sleek wigeon]

it was that there was no reason to ever use anything else

once you got a legendary

[ashen warren]

halibut cannon is intentionally overpowered as hell

[sleek yew]

^

[sleek wadi]

So we legendaries

[bitter topaz]

halibut is a tribute to Totalbiscuit anyway

[sleek wadi]

Not an excuse

[sleek wigeon]

Uh no, legendaries were not intentionally OP.

[gusty geode]

It may seem like a bad argument, but it is true. It's your choice if you want to use a strong item.

[lucid marsh]

I’m looking for advice to improve the suggestion

[ashen warren]

legendaries were supposed to be cool weapons to have as a trophy and to use against scal , pretty much

[bitter topaz]

nothing else is going to be halibut levels of stupid

[ashen warren]

once you got a legendary

you were set for the whole run

[sleek wigeon]

^

[ashen warren]

there was no reason to use any other weapon under any circumstance

[sleek wigeon]

Once you got a legendary, you would never really touch anything else

[ashen warren]

especially

briny baron

[sleek wigeon]

since why would you waste time crafting stuff

when your coolest, most unique weapon

SCALES WITH YOU

[ashen warren]

briny baron was like halibut cannon power 3x

[sleek yew]

yea

[sleek wigeon]

now its pathetic :C

worse than the flail

[sleek yew]

then nerf x43 and death

[ashen warren]

it was so unbelievably overpowered

[sleek wadi]

If they were meant SOLELY for Scal they would have Scal-level damage and only be obtainable from their respective boss after Yharon died.

[ashen warren]

that would ruin the point of them then

:/

[gusty geode]

There's an idea

[ashen warren]

no

it would ruin the whole idea

[sleek wigeon]

rip legendaries

[ashen warren]

one second

[sleek wadi]

They'd still be trophies though, and that'd go with you idea of the weapon right

[ashen warren]

let me grab a screenshot of cosmic discharges stats post doggo

which is when you got it

[sleek wigeon]

trophies you cant ever hang up

or display

due to the tmodloader bug

[lucid marsh]

Nerfed damage scaling

[gusty geode]

Weapon Racks don't work?

[ashen warren]

there is no more damage scaling

[sleek wigeon]

not unless you want a chance of your world being corrupted

[exotic dirge]

Xbxb I assume this thing scales with each unique boss you've killed, yes?

[lucid marsh]

Alternatively someone suggest a better way to calculate damage for a minion that is usable for the whole game

Yes

[violet talon]

yee

[lucid marsh]

Of course

[sleek wigeon]

thats the point

fabsol doesnt LIKE someone using something for the entire game

[exotic dirge]

So then with just Vanilla and Calamity you're getting like what, 200 damage every second?

[violet talon]

lol ppl before mods kill you, might want to go to #calamity-mod-talk

[ashen warren]

maybe you should scroll up to see why we are here

[sleek wigeon]

this is disucssion related to a suggestion

ya heck

[gusty geode]

Total time the summon in question has been active?

[violet talon]

but this has gone off-topic lol

[sleek wadi]

If Fabsol hated the concept of using one item through an entire playthough, Halibut Cannon would not exist in the state it is in

[gusty geode]

It could be abused, but you would have to go way out of your way to do it

[violet talon]

that's why it's rev-only

and .1% chance early game

[ashen warren]

legendaries also used to be 1/50000 drop from any monster and 1/500 or sum from a boss

[sleek wigeon]

ya hecking goof. halibut cannon isnt ment to be used at all.

its like star cannon

[ashen warren]

they were INSANELY rare.

[sleek wadi]

Just because it is a tribute does not give it the excuse of breaking his own rules.

[sleek wigeon]

its an exception

not the rule

[ashen warren]

^

[exotic dirge]

I think it being a tribute gives it the right to be what it is

[ashen warren]

halibut cannon is supposed to be insanely overpowered , i assume for testing purposes

[sleek wigeon]

just because an exception exists doesnt make the rule cease to exist

[sleek wadi]

If it exists and I can get it legit it means you are expected to be able to use it

[sleek wigeon]

not at all

again

star cannon

[ashen warren]

^

[sleek wigeon]

lul

[gusty geode]

I wonder if the upcoming bosses will actually push the Halibut to it's way-too-high limits

[sleek wadi]

Star Cannon is balanced by it's ammo

[sleek wigeon]

HA

HAHAHA

[sleek wadi]

Stars take a while to get

[ashen warren]

star cannon is pretty much a prehardmode megalodon

also

[sleek wadi]

Not hard to get

[sleek wigeon]

best joke ive heard all day

[ashen warren]

^

[sleek wadi]

Just a while

[exotic dirge]

This is going nowhere

[sleek wigeon]

grind for a while then burn the boss down in 3 fucking seconds

[ashen warren]

75% of the community plays with alchemistnpc

[sleek wigeon]

yeah

[sleek wadi]

Halibut is not hard to get because EVERYTHING FUCKIN' DROPS IT IN THE ABYSS

[sleek wigeon]

seems balanced

[ashen warren]

you know what the alchemist sells ?

[sleek wigeon]

"not hard to get"

[lucid marsh]

The item I suggested is meant to be something like wings or a light pet which you never leave behind, just upgrade

[sleek wigeon]

uh, 0.1% drop chance

[gusty geode]

Stars are easy to get, but they're hard to get en masse

[sleek wadi]

From everything!

[sleek wigeon]

you can get 30 stars a night easily

[ashen warren]

^

also

1/1000 early game

takes an eternity

[sleek wadi]

0.1S drop chance is fucking nothing when you can roll that chance a lot

[lucid marsh]

This is true

[gusty geode]

You'd need hundreds if you planned to use it past WoF

[ashen warren]

no

[sleek wigeon]

except you arent rolling the chance alot

[sleek wadi]

And the legendary weapons had even worse chances!

[sleek wigeon]

HENCE WHY THE CANNON IS AN EXCEPTION

[ashen warren]

legendary weapons were the rarest thing by far in the mod other than yharims crystal

[sleek wigeon]

YA HECK

[ashen warren]

1/50000 is not a "bad chance"

[gusty geode]

Is that a chance at all

[ashen warren]

yeah

it is

[lucid marsh]

Look.

[dull kite]

what is the argument here

about halibut

[lucid marsh]

Damage scaling can be done right

[sleek wigeon]

biome keys are 1/4000 for ref.

[lucid marsh]

Halibut does it... ok

[ashen warren]

halibut is not meant to be a weapon to be taken seriously

[sleek wigeon]

^

[exotic dirge]

What's the point of this argument

Its not like if one side wins it'll go anywhere

You guys are just arguing for the sake of arguing

[ashen warren]

thats why humans a r e d u m b

[lucid marsh]

To justify my suggestion

[sleek wadi]

Because xb over here reminded us why scaling weapons are dumb

[gusty geode]

Just watch tho, if servers with mods are possible there will be free-item servers giving out Halibut Cannons

[sleek wigeon]

so?

cheat sheet exists

[lucid marsh]

Who cares

[dull kite]

i will just put this here without knowing completely what the argument is about

[ashen warren]

Lol

[sleek wadi]

I wouldn't nerf the thing

[exotic dirge]

Xbxb, I'm not good at judging balance but I like the theme of your suggestion

[sleek wadi]

I'd dummy it out if it's meant to be something of a joke,

[lucid marsh]

Ok look. Upon obtaining it he base damage would be 40 assuming you killed the bosses in boss checklist orded

That’s 40 max dps

[sleek wadi]

If you aren't meant to take it seriously you shouldn't be able to get it seriously.

[lucid marsh]

Added to your own dps

[gusty geode]

Am I the only one who remembers what the original debate was

[exotic dirge]

Wouldn't it be 80 since Brimstome Flames is a 40/sec damage DoT?

[sleek wigeon]

No.

[lucid marsh]

Might need to switch around the debuffs

[ashen warren]

lol

ha

[lucid marsh]

Not including the debuffs because lots of things are immune to those

[ashen warren]

HAHA

thats a meme right there

[dull kite]

cotbg and amalgam wont be combined

[ashen warren]

Sweet

Good to know

[dull kite]

i doubt it

[gusty geode]

If they are tho, call it "Pure Evil"

[sleek wigeon]

same with the sheilds

[ashen warren]

h

he just said they wont be combined

[lucid marsh]

So +40 dps for an accessory slot in early hardmode

Is this balanced

[ashen warren]

n0

[gusty geode]

Why do you think I said "if"

[sleek wigeon]

Im not sure, i dont have early hardmode damage numbers on me

[ashen warren]

i've had enough discord for today

night peeps

[lucid marsh]

Ok what is balanced then pony

[exotic dirge]

Xbxb with every boss killed the max damage output of just the brimchilds damage is 148

[gusty geode]

Gnt

Oof

[sleek wigeon]

as the game goes on it gets weaker and weaker unable to keep up

at that point

[exotic dirge]

There are 37 bosses in Calamity + Vanilla

[sleek wigeon]

why even scale?

[gusty geode]

That's what I said

[exotic dirge]

Even if it were ^2 scaling its 1369 dps from just the Brimchild, at every boss killed

[lucid marsh]

Ok then how do I balance it better? 5x? Squared divided by 2?

I’ve got it

I’ll use the power of logarithms

[dull kite]

I don't understand why suggestions that break rules don't get deleted from #suggestions-voting
some of them even get stars from mods which makes no sense to me

[sleek wigeon]

not having scaling, for instance. just have it be a powerful for its tier (mech bosses) weapon to maybe use against plantera

like

[lucid marsh]

But the problem is

[sleek wigeon]

all the other legendary items

[cobalt ferry]

idea

[gusty geode]

Also scaling discourses skipping bosses, a huge feature of this mod

[cobalt ferry]

use the defiled rune

like a smart person

[exotic dirge]

It gives discounts, which makes it usable forever in that regard

[cobalt ferry]

to get rare drops

[lucid marsh]

It’s meant to be useful like a pet or generic wings

Well maybe I should split it into 4 tiers of upgrades instead of scaling it?

[gusty geode]

To get the best dps you have to beat every boss, and the easiest way to do that is in their intended order

[exotic dirge]

Having it be upgradable isn't a bad idea xb

I dunno what general discourse on that is though

[lucid marsh]

Idea

[sleek wigeon]

i disagree with that notion. upgrading things instead of replacing them doesnt feel very satifying imo

[gusty geode]

Level it up by crafting it with one of a few advanced materials?

[lucid marsh]

They all scale but attack speed is doubled every upgrade

Or I just make the attack speed scale aswell

For now I’ll do that

[gusty geode]

It replicates the scaling while maintaing the nonlinearity

As an example, Level 2 could be crafted w/ either Hallow Bars or the material drops of Aqua Scourge, Cryogen and Brimmy

[lucid marsh]

I changed the suggestion. Please take a look

Attack speed scales with overall progression, while the damage scales with every boss. The result is a sort of non-linear compounded scaling

Also made it a little easier to get

Actually many times easier but still rare

[sleek wigeon]

@ashen warren your sugestion is still broke. Make it decrease minion damage by about 25%-33%

[ashen warren]

SMH

I’ll remove stats and just do some things

@lament turret That would add a lot of unnecessary complications

[lament turret]

wym?

They did it with Lunar armors, Chlorophyte armos, etc.

[sleek wigeon]

Having extra armor sets obtainable in nonstandard ways which buff a single class would not add unnessacary complications.

[lament turret]

I mean, they sorta have that anyways

Astral Armor is meant to buff Mages

[lucid marsh]

What if you want to switch classes huh? Vanilla does that badly. Calamity fixes that.

[ashen warren]

^

[lucid marsh]

No it’s not it’s generic

[sleek wigeon]

who actually switches classes?

[lucid marsh]

Aside from the mana buff useful to mages

Strategic people

[lament turret]

Who tf uses Astral armor on melee or ranged

[ashen warren]

Lots of peeps

[lucid marsh]

Me, in early hardmode

[lament turret]

And anyways, I personally find that it's boring just making a single headpiece

[sleek wigeon]

why are you using astral armor early hm?

[lament turret]

Chlorophyte armor was very unique

(Also, how)

[ashen warren]

I never use astral armor

[sleek wigeon]

astrum dues is like post plantera at least

[lament turret]

How did you defeat Astrum Deus in "early" hardmode

[ashen warren]

Lol

whats astral armor

Smh

[sleek wigeon]

the armor made from astral metorites

[ashen warren]

im not fucking dumb i know what it is lmao

Ooooooof

why did you ask then\

[lament turret]

It was a joke that it's never used

[ashen warren]

because i have never once made it in any of my 7 playthroughs

[lament turret]

Except that I'm using it in my summoner playthrough because it adds the most minions for the chestpiece slot

[dense nebula]

why would u need to skip phase 1

is he like hard for u or something

[ashen warren]

he spent like 3 days on death yharon

the post mothron one

[dense nebula]

phase 2?

[ashen warren]

y

e

[dense nebula]

mm

i feel like he suggested this so he doenst wanna go through it again, like purely for himself

but i mean if others like it its a nice touch

[ashen warren]

its not really a good add on tho , spawning a boss with a shit ton of health gone isn't really a good feature

[dense nebula]

yeah

its pointless

just get good

[ashen warren]

^

[sleek wadi]

Dragon Egg Yolk
Piss off Yharon into starting from phase 2

[dense nebula]

[ashen warren]

im off to grinding destiny again

peace

[lament turret]

@cobalt ferry Why exactly do ya want to nerf Victide?

[dull kite]

• Be precise if you want item or enemy stat to be buffed or nerfed. Explain your reason behind the change, and why the stat should be changed to your suggested value.

You need a reason. Not just "buff this" or "nerf that"

[lament turret]

^

[sleek wigeon]

victide is being reworked anyhow

[sleek wadi]

Requiring more bars wouldn't make it less grindable

[cobalt ferry]

thank goodness

it would make it less dessirable to grind

[sleek wadi]

Getting Cnidrion out of the desert pre-scourge would.

[sleek wigeon]

not really

[cobalt ferry]

its 3 for the helmet

3 bars

the entire set is 12 bars

besides wulfrum, all armor pieces in vanilla and calamity cost that amount to craft, or more

each single piece

[sleek wadi]

12 is the low end for leggings IIRC, so I can see why one would want it have more bars

[lament turret]

I think the biggest issue with Cnidrion is that he's way too easy

If you want to lock a desirable armor behind him, that's fine, but make him harder

[cobalt ferry]

i want 4 kills of a common miniboss to not equal an armor set

[lament turret]

I mean, that's about average.

[cobalt ferry]

honestly in a lot of cases i choose to use victide over statigel and aerolite

[lament turret]

It takes about 4 kills of a Sand Elemental to get Forbidden armor

(With some crates)

[cobalt ferry]

but forbidden armor sux

[lament turret]

Not really

[cobalt ferry]

and requires about 40 bars

[lament turret]

For a pre-HM boss armor, it's pretty damn good

[sleek wadi]

3 kills required for Frost Armor

[bitter topaz]

nerf victide, really?

[cobalt ferry]

still, 40 bars

[lament turret]

Still, that's about 10 golden crates

If you've any amount of luck

[cobalt ferry]

firstly, i sont have luck

[lament turret]

I don't either, but it's fine.

[cobalt ferry]

secondly, alot of people want different alternitives to fishing

[lament turret]

Mining, then

[sleek wadi]

Also, getting the max drop count 4 times in a row from Cnidrion doesn't seem all that common

[cobalt ferry]

name an armor of higher value then victide, thats near as easy to get

[lament turret]

Aerospec is pretty damn easy

Hive Mind is negligibly easy.

[sleek wadi]

Platinum/Gold. No bosses required and gives yo uthe defense needed to eat boss hits

[lament turret]

Don't know about Perforators.

Also that

[sleek wigeon]

all this is moot since victide is being reworked anyhow

[lament turret]

Anyways, the main value in Victide isn't that it's got good defense values.

It's that it actually buffs your class role way before literally anything else does

[dull kite]

3% damage op

[lament turret]

For summoners, it's more than that

(Which is all I have for experience right now)

[dull kite]

victide summoner doesnt add another minion tho

[sleek wadi]

Summoners go for Wulfrum for the minion slot

[dull kite]

^

[lament turret]

It does add the urchin, though

[sleek wadi]

Urchin is not as good as a 2nd minion of your choice

Usually a 2nd baby slime

[lament turret]

Which also gives venom debuff

Most pre-HM bosses aren't immune to Venom

Not great, but it's still passable. Not that summoner has trouble with any bosses prior to Aerospec armor

[dull kite]

most pre-HM bosses aren't immune to ichor and look at plasma rod.

smh

[sleek wigeon]

venom is hella buffed in calamity

[cobalt ferry]

Base stats,
11 defence
5% crit chance
15% one damage type
5% damage reduction
8% movement speed
10% chance to fire a seashell
In Liquid bonus
3 defense
10% damage reduction
omnidirectional hyperspeed, increased life regeneration

[sleek wigeon]

so its... better

[cobalt ferry]

thats what killing 4 super easy common minibosses gets you

[sleek wadi]

4 if you're super lucky

[cobalt ferry]

pre kingslime

[sleek wadi]

More in actuality.

[lament turret]

On average, it's 6

[cobalt ferry]

6 on average

[lament turret]

It's not nearly as broken as you think it is.

But just the same, why are we still arguing about this

[cobalt ferry]

for a preboss armor

its not as broken as i think?

oh right

forgot to list the life regen bonus

and seashells

[sleek wadi]

Something I get with a campfire

[lament turret]

Dude, just stop. There's already a rework on its way

You're beating a dead horse that's already buried

[ashen warren]

victide isnt broken

at all

:/

[cobalt ferry]

no

[lament turret]

You're literally complaining about the easiest part of the game

[cobalt ferry]

bad

[sleek wadi]

And changing it would need us to change Meteorite as well

[lament turret]

Like, you don't have better shit to do?

[ashen warren]

like

[lament turret]

You can get meteorite pre-boss

[ashen warren]

the seashell is literally useles

lmao

[sleek wadi]

Meteorite is also pre-boss and even better because it comes with the space gun

[lament turret]

And it gives you [insert defense] and unlimited fire of a magic weapon

[bitter topaz]

if victide is OP for when you get it what in the everliving fuck is pre-hm mage armour?

[cobalt ferry]

space gun is the most broken weapon in all of terraria

[ashen warren]

you

sir

are dumb

[lament turret]

Good lord

[bitter topaz]

dear god what are you

[lament turret]

Like, you're a special kind of stupid

[bitter topaz]

atleast i got my daily dose of stupid

[sleek wadi]

Most broken? Yeah, maybe back when eater of worlds was the final boss

[ashen warren]

spacegun in calamity is pretty ass

eow was never the final boss

it was skeletron

[lament turret]

"Meteor Gun is broken"

Proceeds to get thrashed by Queen Bee

[ashen warren]

space gun in rev + is literally worse than a ball o hurt

probably

[bitter topaz]

space gun in rev is viable for DS and KS

[ashen warren]

GENIUS

[lament turret]

Meteor Gun can only be used consistently on EoC

And before

[bitter topaz]

not even for eye

the mana rose fucking shreds him

[lament turret]

On rev, it can. It still breaks the defense

[cobalt ferry]

you do know the thing called meteor armor right?

[sleek wigeon]

"space gun is bad"

uh, in what universe?

[lament turret]

It's not bad

[sleek wigeon]

space gun is one of the most broken weapons in the game, rev or not, bar none

[lament turret]

But it's just not viable far into the game

Even expert mode it can't do shit to skeletron.

And rev+ with the piercing changes, it can't do crap to BoC or EoW

[sleek wigeon]

It fucking destroys skeletron, the fuck you mean?

on what planet are you living?

[bitter topaz]

compared to other options, it's not as good as you think

aka bees

[lament turret]

The skull's defense is too big for the Meteor Gun in Expert

[sleek wigeon]

ive had to actively ban it from my playthroghs because it makes things too easy for mage. same with bees knees

expert doesnt increase defense

[cobalt ferry]

see?

[sleek wigeon]

expert nor rev increase defense. except for adding 100 defense when the arms arent killed with skeletron

[cobalt ferry]

this person understnads logic

[sleek wigeon]

which... nothing can deal with 100 defense pre hm

it cannot be done

[cobalt ferry]

well

crimson crusher plus menacing plus counter scarf is like 70 damage a hit

[bitter topaz]

that's true melee tho

good luck not getting hit

[cobalt ferry]

fair enough

[ashen warren]

space gun is stupidly strong cause you can get infinite mana with it

Si

[earnest raptor]

40 stars on Tyranius suggestion
:wedidit:

[lucid marsh]

Hehe I balanced the brimchild and added a quote

[earnest raptor]

Farming boss with bad equip?

@cobalt ferry you mad.

[lucid marsh]

I don’t understand why people don’t like my suggestion much, any advice?

For changing it I mean?

[earnest raptor]

Wait.

[ashen warren]

Make them simpler? Not so much info that it breaks their minds?

[white laurel]

I would say it is because you are basically stealing a concept from another game. The name "Brimchild" is confusing with the brimling. The item and inventory "sprites" are just the ingame drawings for the charm and minion in hollow knight. There is referencing, then there is this @lucid marsh

[ashen warren]

Indeed

[lucid marsh]

Well obviously I was going to change the pictures.

[ashen warren]

Wasn’t that obvious

[lucid marsh]

Ok you’re right about that

But I mean it’s just the concept, the execution is different isn’t it

[mystic geyser]

How about the journal item have info of all the item in the game

[sleek wadi]

?

[mystic geyser]

and the mod

[lucid marsh]

Mark my words-

When I make or find sprites for brimchild and get some better ideas I will repost it

And also when the bot is up

[ashen warren]

Oof

[dull kite]

why when the bot is up smh

bot is dum

[cobalt ferry]

tbh

id like the arm traning idea, but think it would be better if it made so it disabled autofire and made it depndant on how good of a rythem you can get for firing, such as when using bows, and the bow sprite never dissapears

[ashen warren]

Wait, should there be a peep who copy pastes suggestions in the dev channel or whatever if the suggestion has 35 Stars?

[cobalt ferry]

?

[ashen warren]

I feel as if that if that If the bot is down, people who rightfully got 35 Stars should deserve to be posted in the dev channel, even if the bot is down

[cobalt ferry]

poissibly they are

[ashen warren]

Mk

Tell me if this is already in action

[sleek wigeon]

bot hasnt been up in ages

so its likely

[ashen warren]

_>

Ok then

@cobalt ferry what boss is that taking about

or what enemy

nevermind

i should learn to read

[left crag]

l e t s

t r a n i n g

[cobalt ferry]

L e t s T r a n i n g

best item

[ashen warren]

Greatest

[left crag]

please let that drop from SCal and it just gives your character Arnie sounds when he gets hit

[ashen warren]

XD

[dull kite]

@ashen warren it happens in dev server

[ashen warren]

Ok

[sinful violet]

“Let’s traning”

[sleek wadi]

An accessory that lets me break my fucking arms, perfect.

[ashen warren]

Why is this thing?

[sleek wadi]

No game is complete without letting you break a body part

And that is why fall damage is everywhere

[west prairie]

To be fair the guy probably isn’t a native English speaker

[cobalt ferry]

i feel like the spit lizards that live in the ground on 66% of the worlds should drop an item to put in the absorber

like the shellys and crawdadas

no clue what it would be tho

maybe a hide of some sort

or a tail

[ashen warren]

@odd terrace is that a meme suggestion or not

i can't tell lmao

[heady comet]

Lol these suggestions suck

[ashen warren]

a giant fucking brimling does sound pretty amazing tho

uh

[bitter topaz]

wut

what even?

[ashen warren]

that

is

going to be a meme

i already screenshotted

[bitter topaz]

same here

[ashen warren]

please pin that

that is amazing

[odd terrace]

what?

[ashen warren]

that might be the best thing i've ever seen

[ashen warren]

the fact that they put that in #suggestions-voting has me weak as hell

[bitter topaz]

i just finished cropping that myself

[bitter topaz]

but yeah that's fucking amazing

[ashen warren]

i really

really

want someone to pin that

[bitter topaz]

kermit singing allstar

[ashen warren]

thats not allstar

thats kermit rickrolling us

[bitter topaz]

one sec i'll see if that actually exists

[ashen warren]

same

[bitter topaz]

[ashen warren]

it exists .

that makes it 10x better .

[opal barn]

I don't understand why it's funny

to both of you

[bitter topaz]

it's because it's in #suggestions-voting of all places

[ashen warren]

listen to the video

its

idk what it is

but its good

this is fucking golden

[lucid marsh]

Well now it’s even better

[sleek wadi]

Okay now watch the command get removed, the ban getting 35 stars, and Nunuyz gets banished to the shadow realm.

[ashen warren]

the funny this is that he's playing fortnite now

please delete your message

[lucid marsh]

Cool dude star both (so the mods see it)

[ashen warren]

thats literally the best message i've seen on discord ever

he's probably a 12 year old

[opal barn]

@restive coral there appears to be some memery in #suggestions-voting

[lucid marsh]

No there’s not these are serious suggestions

[ashen warren]

damnit you shouldn't have told anyone

^

you really shouldn't have

it also wasn't a meme , i think he went to the wrong server lmao

[opal barn]

Come forth guardian of suggestions, Evan

[ashen warren]

Evan get back here

[lucid marsh]

At least preserve this hilarious suggestion

[ashen warren]

^

please do it

[dull kite]

I will fucking murder all of you

[ashen warren]

do it

Please do @dull kite

i'll die happy

because i want to

give me death

[lucid marsh]

GIVE ME MEMERY OR GIVE ME DEATH

[ashen warren]

evan get back here

[lucid marsh]

IM ALREADY WARNED ON ART SERVER DO IT PUSSY

[dull kite]

by all of you I mean the 3 who posted meme suggestions

[ashen warren]

[dull kite]

now let us go back on topic because I want trial mod

[ashen warren]

Luckily I am not one of them

[dull kite]

Y’all need to make suggestions like @west prairie

his suggestions are the best smh.

[ashen warren]

i just thought the message was funny as hell lmao

[lucid marsh]

His ARE the best. He could turn even my poorly executed ideas into masterpieces

[ashen warren]

^

i already screenshotted that piece of gold so i dont mind if it gets deleted really

but fr

thats fucking incredibl

[lucid marsh]

Someone star those though please? So the mods can see them and they are preserved?

[dull kite]

no

[ashen warren]

they wont get starred

[dull kite]

I’m not a mod but just, delete them please

[lucid marsh]

Disclaimer I wasn’t begging for MINE to be starred but for all of them

[dull kite]

@odd terrace @winter granite

you too xb

[ashen warren]

i want the golden suggestion to be pinned

but thats not gonna happen

[opal barn]

That suggestion is not even funny

[ashen warren]

It's just stupid

[lucid marsh]

Ok ok I’ll do it just screenshotting first m

[sleek wadi]

What is funny is the location

[ashen warren]

its the location and the timing

only me and lordbidoof will understand this golden message

[sleek wadi]

Better screenshot, because just screenshoting the message doesn't capsulate the hilarity

[dull kite]

I am going to spamping both of them if I have to

[ashen warren]

spamp

🤔

that breaks a rule

[dull kite]

i dont care

[ashen warren]

No trial mod for you

^

[opal barn]

I already pinged a mod, no need to do that

[ashen warren]

i want evan to be mod but sh

[dull kite]

ping a mod that is idle

[opal barn]

Both of them are

[dull kite]

yes

[ashen warren]

they're all idle

[opal barn]

They'll just delete it when they get back hopefully

[dull kite]

which is why we need more mods on at this time (wink wink)

[ashen warren]

i want evan to be mod

evan is good person

[molten thunder]

are you sure

[ashen warren]

yes

he bullies me

[dull kite]

tera was considered for first batch
despite him being a huge memer I think he deserves it

[molten thunder]

also I think its a good idea to move to general

[ashen warren]

^

[dull kite]

yes that too memescoirge

[molten thunder]

because I tink sarg is lurking

[opal barn]

@sinful violet help and delet #suggestions-voting, you are our only savior

[sinful violet]

[dull kite]

thank you for getting on mrrp will now go to general

[sinful violet]

Who’s being a fool

[opal barn]

2 peeps

[dull kite]

In suggestions

[ashen warren]

its gone

😿

[sinful violet]

smh nunuyz

I thought you knew better

Dunno about that glubu guy

But that’s a warn for sure smh

[dull kite]

well glubu has 2 messages in the server

both suggestions

[lucid marsh]

Screenshot with all 3 “memes”

They’re gone for good, this is all that is left

[sinful violet]

Right, so I guess I warn you too then.

[bitter topaz]

[ashen warren]

😮

[lucid marsh]

WHAT WAIT NO

[ashen warren]

he just got beaned

[lucid marsh]

Someone asked for this

[dull kite]

no he’s a good boye and deleted his suggestion after I threatened to murder him

[sinful violet]

[lucid marsh]

Yikes I’m on thin ice huh. Was already warned on the art server for bringing up some dude

[fluid island]

btw he's in one of my discords

[ashen warren]

some dude

[fluid island]

he sent that by accident here

[sinful violet]

a

[bitter topaz]

[ashen warren]

i think we all knew that happened

but still

[dull kite]

mrrp banned for flood tbh smh
evan banned for offtopic tbh smh

[ashen warren]

thats the best thing i have ever seen on discord by far

[fluid island]

he wanted to play it in our discord server but when he tabbed back he was here and just left it hyperlul

[lucid marsh]

I will bring my memes elsewhere. Goodbye until I have on topic stuff to say

[dull kite]

that meme was not better than blackhand’s suggestions smh

I love how yourdidit is my most starred suggestion

[brave warren]

most starred and still not in

[opal barn]

Okay but why do we need an Abyss floating island exactly?

[tired haven]

Wait what

[dull kite]

^

[opal barn]

Isn't that an abyss island in #suggestions-voting

[dull kite]

what purpose would a sulphurous sea/abyss floating island serve?

[opal barn]

Abyss planet

[sinful violet]

Forsooth, that would be difficult indeed

[sleek wadi]

Abyss planet as the secret layer five

[gusty geode]

Had trouble editing the post, fixed it now

[opal barn]

Really unnecessary

That's what I think

[gusty geode]

Abyss kinda falls to the side post-Plantera, or this could be like a Murasama shrine but for Polterghast

[opal barn]

It would make more sense for a Murasama to be at the bottom rather than on an island

[gusty geode]

No, similar mechanic but not the Murasama itself

[opal barn]

And it doesn't fall to the side, there is still Chaotic bars as well as the post-polter minibosses in there

[dull kite]

eidolic wail buff

[gusty geode]

A couple weapons dropped by the Wyrms is a kinda small reward for Polterghast, so this could be something extra for that

[dull kite]

@orchid oxide why would existing keys have a buffed droprate

they're already 20% from their respective bosses..

[orchid oxide]

Oh, really? Didn’t know that

Gonna edit it

[dull kite]

yeah

for more info

also i doubt that a biome chest will be added

especially considering no boss could really be used to drop its key..

[brave warren]

star last suggestion
please

[dull kite]

besides maybe Aqua scourge? (as of now ofc)

The aids staff would replace plasma rod in the aether's whisper

Smh

[tame magnet]

That's the idea

A direct upgrade to the Staff of Afterburn

[cobalt ferry]

I would use an aids staff all the way

[sleek wigeon]

We already have a post moonlord plasma rod

[quiet abyss]

Ultra liquifier, or smth like that?

[worthy fiber]

@lunar dirge plenty of craftable magic weapons though

[lunar dirge]

o wasn't aware of that, i only checked the sentinels on wiki and saw that none of them drop a magic weapon

[quiet abyss]

There's mistlestorm and aether's whisper, to name a few craftable magic weapons after killing one of the sentinels

[lunar dirge]

I see, i thought those were only used to craft the cosmic worm

[ashen warren]

need more sentries

[worthy fiber]

yes but programming is hard

imo I think each calamity set should have a sentry

Like the Dreadmine staff from the HM Abyss stuff

[tired haven]

teleport to you if he hasn't hit you for long time
Wooo King Slime being hardest boss to nohit hype

Also that doesn't solve the problem of tp not being able to reach you midair

[worthy fiber]

buff vivid clarity

[gusty geode]

Ok, how about this

[dull kite]

“how about this”, he says, proceeding to not do anything

[gusty geode]

I edited the original suggestion

[dull kite]

upon taking damage? what if you’re doing it at the beginning with amethyst staff

just plain “upon taking damage” would be dum, maybe it could spawn one every x amount of seconds

besides it’s ks, it’s not like we’re cheesing a major boss like DoG

[earnest raptor]

@gusty geode you mad man.

[dense girder]

That doesn't make sense really

Why does a shark drop an anime girl in a bottle

[neon panther]

imo it’s better than farming 50 Sand elementals

[dense girder]

zerg + desert, man

[tired haven]

Remake Great Sand Shark in Great Sand Elemental tbh

[dense girder]

People have suggested Abyss mimics and chests like a billion times

At least one of each suggestion has gotten 35 stars iirc one of them was mine, szavak and bidoof's

[neon panther]

tbh I almost wish we could have an earth elemental summon instead of a Sand Elemental in HotE

[dense girder]

but he'd lag behind all the time

and he isn't a cute waifu

[fervent zealot]

earth elemental is the hottest waifu

[dense girder]

also that's a waifu suggestions 🔫

[neon panther]

he’s a husbando

[tired haven]

Is it waifu suggestion if it doesn't include waifu?

[dense girder]

🔫 i'll have to stop you right there you ANARCHIST

[neon panther]

true heart of the elements, also has granite elemental, chaos elemental, earth elemental, etc

[tired haven]

still trash

[west prairie]

HotE needs a resprite

[worthy fiber]

^

[gusty geode]

I wish somebody who could see the 35 star secret chat could tell us what's at least being considered

My faves recently have been the Abyss rework and the Adventurers Logbook

[fervent zealot]

you mean the abyss rework i helped make or another one

[gusty geode]

The one with the Murasama Shrine in a new Layer 5, would have to check who made it

[fervent zealot]

that'd be the one then aye

[gusty geode]

Ye your's

[dense girder]

ye, ours

would it be layer 5 though?

or like layer 4.5