suggestions-discussion

[dense girder]

not really necessary imo

the dark energies are easy to kill

no need to know how many are left

[gilded surge]

But there is a ton of them

[gritty crow]

So about that

There is one

A counter I mean

[gilded surge]

no there isn't ?

[dense girder]

Does the new healthbar show them?

[gritty crow]

Let me grab a screenshot

[dense girder]

That would make sense

[gritty crow]

Yes

[dense girder]

Ah

In that case Linux

I think your suggestion was implemented

GJ 🎉 🎉

[gilded surge]

I just posted it yesterday

...

[gritty crow]

Here I'll show you lol

[dense girder]

Well it was still implemented 🎉

[sleek wigeon]

Bottomless honey lava bucket isnt in calamitys scope and is already added in other mods

[ashen warren]

luiafk adds both of those

[little jolt]

fair, i guess

[tired haven]

Overfed iirc
Also heh

[cinder locust]

I just thinked about le thing that annoyed everyone already =T

[dense girder]

Really no need for another debuff

Especially one like that that affects about two or three enemies

[alpine copper]

Kinda unecessary

[bitter topaz]

it's got some merit to fix a minor issue actually

[cinder locust]

Yea you kinda right =T

Gotta delet it

[alpine copper]

But "calamitously idiotic" sounds like a good name for a debuff

[bitter topaz]

iirc ediolists will aggro when any boss is alive

[cinder locust]

XD

[dense girder]

I don't think that's a good name for a debuff at all

It may sound funny but there's no real use for it anywhere

[alpine copper]

I know

[tired haven]

Calamitously idiotic should be post-death debuff if you die to doggo head

[alpine copper]

I was just joking

[dense girder]

@little jolt wait what does "fair i guess" mean

cus if luiafk adds them calam doesn't need em

[little jolt]

it means that i agree

[dense girder]

shouldn't you uh delete your sugg then if you agree

[little jolt]

others might not

[cinder locust]

=T

[little jolt]

not worth deleting it

[dense girder]

ah true

[dense girder]

@vestal comet You already suggested that. Don't repeat suggestions.

[vestal comet]

I did? Oops

[fervent zealot]

anglerfish are a vanilla enemy @carmine sphinx

[dense girder]

Football Fish then

another type of anglerfish

[dense girder]

@gritty crow want me to add that to the above abyss doc

[bitter topaz]

@gritty crow already planned. fab is just lazy iirc

[gritty crow]

Oh lol

[ashen warren]

I prefer R'LYEH, sue me

[bitter topaz]

[gritty crow]

We could have both

[ashen warren]

I really wanna see music toggles

For example, I really, really do not want to listen to Roar of the Jungle Dragon

[dense girder]

I don't think i've ever heard it in game

Actually hold on

[ashen warren]

It's going to be added though, iirc

[gritty crow]

(Oh I was just meaning there are multiple layers of the abyss, layer 1 is good, layer two has R’LYEH, and layer three could have “void”)

[dense girder]

oh

yeah

layer three, void fits

layer four, r'lyeh fits

[ashen warren]

^

[gritty crow]

Or that

[ashen warren]

I think void is shit because of that part with the voice, same with RotJD

[dense girder]

Add Alone in the Dark from Endless Ocean 2 as the deeper Abyss theme

void has voice??

oh that

meh it's nice

[gritty crow]

There is a lyric free version of RoTJD

[dense girder]

Void and RoTJD are both good

Stop being a Dokuro bully

[ashen warren]

RotJD falls into the trap of 'it sounds mediocre without lyrics' imo

[dense girder]

And with lyrics it's great heeh

[ashen warren]

Also the second half of RotJD is actually dogshit

[dense girder]

Just your opinion

[ashen warren]

tl;dr just add options, not everyone likes certain songs

[dense girder]

Turn off music man

[gritty crow]

I’m sure you’re not going to hate stained brutal calamity when it comes out

[dense girder]

Fab won't code in toggling music for you and a few who don't like music

Solution: disable music for the fight in question

[ashen warren]

I like the dynamic music system that terraria has though

[gritty crow]

Use a music box if it’s too bad

[dense girder]

^

[ashen warren]

solution: don't put lyrics in terraria

[gritty crow]

[dense girder]

smh like terraria

[gritty crow]

Calamity is really not Terraria
Terraria isn’t a bullet hell game

[dense girder]

this is like "Grrr we gotta make our sprites bad just so they fit the terraria style ahahha"

like wtf no it's a mod

it's meant to be itself an addon made by one guy or a team

not DLC for the game itself

[ashen warren]

okay, let me rephrase

[dense girder]

so obviously it'll be diff

please do hehe

[ashen warren]

lyrics sound really out of place in my opinion

[gritty crow]

It is different from the previous tracks, yes

[ashen warren]

we should at least know how to change the game files

[dense girder]

well we can't change it, you can't change it and it's fixed

well i mean i tried that

but you can't do it

[gritty crow]

That’s locked so they can’t be stolen

[dense girder]

trying to access the mod file results in it showing as locked

Which sucks because I wanted the highest quality music rips possible to listen to on my phone :(

[gritty crow]

I tried to get RoTJD in there, it’s sad

[bitter topaz]

if a suggestion to toggle music goes through fab will pass it on as to someone else iirc

[ruby cobalt]

there are ways to bypass it, but it's for kool kids only

and it's also against tmod's 'TOS'

[dense girder]

just ask the russians

[gritty crow]

You mean “cool dudes”?

[dense girder]

[tired haven]

You can access music through DM Dokuro channel smh

[gritty crow]

^^

[ruby cobalt]

daily reminder that even devs don't have access to source code

[dense girder]

aggggh

[gritty crow]

Oof

[ashen warren]

soundcloud also

[dense girder]

imma just fucking break into dokuro's home and steal the raw files

[tired haven]

Quick reminder that mod version is highly compressed

[dense girder]

oh

[tired haven]

Probably even more compressed than yt

[dense girder]

aight then

[ruby cobalt]

how do you think it stays under 100mb with this much music

[tired haven]

25 or so tracks and each is around 20-60mb normally

lul

[dense girder]

wtf

20-60mb for an audio file?!?

they're not like two hours long

[ruby cobalt]

that's the most rippest raw version you'll get

[tired haven]

Well, that's what dokuros soundcloud offers apparently
Highest quality has its costs bruh

[dense girder]

I realise, I work with audio a bit

But 60mb damn

Never came close to that

The closest I got is 20mb for a three-hour undertale EDM mix

jk jazz compilation

[ruby cobalt]

try going full quality next time, see what you get

[ashen warren]

i usually get around a mb a minute for my music

[dense girder]

your mb guy is trash, find a new one

[bitter topaz]

tbh i wish fab would release a version with uncompressed music

[ruby cobalt]

alright, let's see how ripped blasted heath from DD is in flac format

[dense girder]

same

[tired haven]

Well, actually I might've lied a bit
I have most tracks and it's about 2-3mb/s it seems

So 10-20 mb

[dense girder]

[ruby cobalt]

100MBs

[tired haven]

a bit

[dense girder]

length?

[ruby cobalt]

8:15

[dense girder]

well yeah that's p long

plus .flac

[ruby cobalt]

welcome to FLAC

[dense girder]

that's the rawest of raw

i mean like mp3 and such

[ruby cobalt]

oh no, it's not the rawest one

it's close enough, but it isn't

[gritty crow]

“Blasted Heath”

[tired haven]

Raw-er than raw at least

[dense girder]

fun fact

crab bars are not made of crab meat

[gritty crow]

It’s Raw, unfiltered Calamity right there

[tired haven]

Fun fact
this is even more offtop crab bars aren't crab sticks

[dense girder]

Fun fact: Danny has a big discord

[gritty crow]

Oof let’s get back on topic

[tired haven]

Discock*

^

[dense girder]

it's true 8000+ members but true we should

any suggestions for our abyss doc?

[tired haven]

I genuinelly liked every part of it so uh no shamely

[dense girder]

Crab I must confess

[gritty crow]

Just to add the void music to the lower levels (and maybe the mini boss music? Eh? Eh?)

[dense girder]

I originally came to you for help with it

But you didn't reply after 3 hours

So I went to vroljik

[tired haven]

wat

[dense girder]

meh it worked out

vroljik contributed like 30% of the doc

[gritty crow]

Oof

[dense girder]

Off ouch!!

[ruby cobalt]

hey, let's add a giant magma lake at the bottom so it looks even more like subnautica

[dense girder]

but there is already

it's called the Underworld

I should really play subnautica but no kash

[ruby cobalt]

shit

[dense girder]

hmmm, at the very least

How do I improve kwab?

[ruby cobalt]

nah

keep it as is

[dense girder]

look at his little mouth aaaaaa

[gritty crow]

Or the former calamity biome if you know where it is

[dense girder]

profaned crags

[bitter topaz]

the zoidberg crab is fine as-is

[dense girder]

also where it is wtf

it's always on the left

[ruby cobalt]

profaned 👁

[dense girder]

and never under the abyss

there's a stretch between crags and border of screen

[ruby cobalt]

actually it can be somewhere around the bottom

small worlds are a wonderful thing

[dense girder]

small ew

medium master race

enjoy your two floating islands trashman

[tired haven]

4 but two of them are lakes

[ruby cobalt]

woah, implying I play on smol worlds

[dense girder]

oof ouch

also, are y'all happy with the new miniboss?

we're still fleshing or rather, blubbering it out on the doc

[tired haven]

I wonder if this is PS or browser code editing
Seems pretty fun

[dense girder]

firealpaca

anything we could do to make it more... interesting?

i mean as it is it's basically a reaper shark but with eidolic wail powers

[tired haven]

Reaper shark is just duke without projectils if you begin on that

[dense girder]

yeah but

that's not

how do i improve the abyssal viperion

[tired haven]

Uhh maybe making him being able to split would be cool?

Kind of like EoW but eh

[plush gazelle]

I was the 35th star on the abyss suggestion

[dense girder]

You mean so much to me

💙

[lucid marsh]

There’s a spelling error in the last part of that abyss suggestion. Also I don’t really like the idea of the submarine being REQUIRED but I do like the idea of it being necessary to stay in the abyss for any significant amount of time.

[bitter topaz]

oof where's the spelling error specifically

[dense girder]

Where is the error

I will purge it

For the billionth time

Waifu suggestions are done

@plush gazelle

[sleek wigeon]

"proper waifu"

HUSBANDO PLZ

[dense girder]

die

[plush gazelle]

dies

[lucid marsh]

Sorry I left. The error is about halfway thru the mini boss description

[bitter topaz]

blame odditer tbh

[dense girder]

according to docs

only error is "miniboss" as one word

[lucid marsh]

No like the words are technically correct but it’s the wrong word

[bitter topaz]

layer t

[lucid marsh]

THAT

yes

[bitter topaz]

i found the error i think

[lucid marsh]

I remember now

[dense girder]

Oh I remember

[lucid marsh]

And the stuff right after makes no sense

[dense girder]

I was writing a sentence

And I think my mind just hard reset in the middle

And I forgot

[lucid marsh]

K

[bitter topaz]

i fixed it btw

[dense girder]

i fixed it more

[lucid marsh]

Why is lordBIDOOF a fat koopa from super Mario rpg?

[dense girder]

bidoof = fat koopa

[bitter topaz]

my pfp has never actually been a bidoof iirc

[dense girder]

LordBidoopa

[bitter topaz]

it's gone from a bunch of mudkips, to a crappy draweing of saxton hale, a dabbing cooked turkey and finally to this

and on steam it's always been that weird thomas the tank engine face for some reason

[dense girder]

Excuse me

[lucid marsh]

Just put bidoof’s face on the koopa

[dense girder]

Saxton Hale?

[bitter topaz]

TF2

[lucid marsh]

Tf2

[dense girder]

Oh I know

[lucid marsh]

I only know from piemations

[bitter topaz]

also the name is an anagram, think about it for a second

yes this is the man

[dense girder]

I made that myself

pay a fee for viewing it

now

[lucid marsh]

Anagram for what?

[bitter topaz]

just, think about it

i'd rather not spoil the surprise

[dense girder]

oh

oh my

[lucid marsh]

What?

[dense girder]

anagrams

[bitter topaz]

that's not the anagram.

[neon panther]

Just saying this is kinda offtopic

[dense girder]

I know what the actual one is

yeah sorry hyp

[bitter topaz]

but never search up sex la ant ho

oh yeah shit

[dense girder]

uhhrhhh

abyss

[bitter topaz]

to #general-talk we go

[dense girder]

ontopic whew

[neon panther]

:v

[eager rock]

What

I sent a link with the suggestions about the changes to SCal and it didnt show it xD

[bitter topaz]

@eager rock Scal changes normally get ignored completely, the only thing she needs is a hit counter

otherwise she fits the bill of a penultimate challange perfectly

[sleek yew]

i don't know if my suggestion is a bug :p

[eager rock]

I think his hardness is so artificial, so that's why i suggest that

[sleek yew]

*her

[bitter topaz]

her fight is inspired by touhou

[eager rock]

Yep, her

[sleek yew]

touhou is hell

[ashen warren]

her fight is supposed to be obnoxiously hard

except on normal and expert lul

[eager rock]

Is hard, but not fair sometimes

[ashen warren]

its not supposed to be entirely fair

[eager rock]

Not for mechanics indeed

[sleek yew]

remember lorde?

[eager rock]

Is so artificial

[ashen warren]

lorde was PURE rng

[eager rock]

Lorde was a joke boss xD

I dont count it

[sleek yew]

yeah lorde was unfair

scal imo is one of the more fun bosses

[fleet fox]

SCal has it fair amount of difficulty, but it's still easier for me than DoG

[sleek yew]

w h a t

[eager rock]

no lol

[fleet fox]

I'd really like a hit counter

[eager rock]

xD

[ashen warren]

scal

easier than dog

[sleek yew]

just count your hits lol

[ashen warren]

i understand if you're playing normal or expert

[eager rock]

Lol bro

If u are focusing to avoid his attacks

U can count the hits

xD

[ashen warren]

^

he's got a point

[fleet fox]

Also, I took 10 - 20 tries to kill DoG, but SCal, 7 attempts and the closest one got her to 800k

[sleek yew]

dog isn't too hard imo; he's like 5-10th hardest

[ashen warren]

doggo's ai is one of the harder ones to learn tho

[fleet fox]

I'm simply a noob with his AI

[sleek yew]

he's hard to learn, but once you got it it's ez pz

[ashen warren]

scal's ai is easier to learn , but sometimes its complete bullshit

[eager rock]

dog take me like 3 or 4 tries

In revengeance

[sleek yew]

also why are we disscussing this in #suggestions-discussion

[fleet fox]

But SCal's AI is basically like Calamitas

[eager rock]

I dont think is more difficult

[ashen warren]

no

[fleet fox]

Oh shit

[ashen warren]

scal is not like calamitas whatsoever lol

[bitter topaz]

Scal is more fun than calamitas imo, in death atleast

[fleet fox]

No, I'm talking 'bout the parts where she accompanies you and shoots bullets

[ashen warren]

thats still not even close

[eager rock]

I would add a hit counter

[bitter topaz]

not like clone still,

[ashen warren]

calamitas doesn't dash at 5000 mph

[bitter topaz]

clone has stupid homing lasers as well

[sleek yew]

they already made scal more fair last update

[ashen warren]

^

[fleet fox]

Well, I'd love if a hit counter was implemented

[ashen warren]

'tis still somewhat a bullshit fight

but its fun

[sleek yew]

yea

[eager rock]

the only thing scal is unfair is at the "killer hits"

[ashen warren]

what are those

[sleek wigeon]

hit counter

[eager rock]

15 hits = dead

[ashen warren]

oh

[eager rock]

Is challenging, but so artificial

[sleek yew]

thats not bad

[ashen warren]

thats a good feature tho

its new and interesting

[eager rock]

So artificial

[ashen warren]

what do you mean

[eager rock]

the same thing is dog debuff

[ashen warren]

dog debuff is doodoo but it makes sense

[sleek yew]

it was just made to prevent people from tanking all the hits

[sleek wigeon]

its p artifical yeah but otherwise you could just regen past all her damage

[fleet fox]

That's not the problem, the problem is not being able to count them without a hit counter and god's mind

[sleek wigeon]

you have... absurd life regen

[eager rock]

i mean that calamitas is challenging but they add the hits to do it more difficult

[sleek wigeon]

around that point

[sleek yew]

dog debuff isn't a problem if u use community

[eager rock]

because the hits only do that more difficult

Artificial

[ashen warren]

SCal is supposed to be absurdly hard , because she isnt a progression boss

[sleek yew]

^

[eager rock]

using community

but if u have to farm

[ashen warren]

lol

all of calamity tbh

[eager rock]

is a bad design

[ashen warren]

no

its not

community is stupid good

having to farm for something that worth it isnt bad design

[sleek yew]

community already got nerfed :p

[ashen warren]

^ that too

[eager rock]

the mod

has the problem that u need to farm too much post moon lord

not funny

[sleek yew]

1/2 of vanilla is farming anyway

[ashen warren]

you should have seen old calamity LMAO

[sleek yew]

yea

[eager rock]

and that's a vanilla problem xD

[sleek yew]

eye of extintion = 3k nightmare fuel and endothermic

gross

[fleet fox]

Yeah

I still remember it

[sleek yew]

yeah but the devs changed it to 30 nightmare and 30 endothernic

[ashen warren]

65 cores of calamity , 365 phantoplasm , 900 nightmare fuel and endothermic energy , 135 darksun fragments (mothron dropped ONE on each kill) is only part of the old auric tesla recipe

[sleek yew]

so its all good

[bitter topaz]

oh god the old eye of extinction was stupid grinding

[fleet fox]

What a nightmare it was to craft it

[ashen warren]

this is the old auric tesla recipe

[eager rock]

the old calamity was worst at farming design

but u can do it better now

[ashen warren]

galactica singularities used to take 3 of each fragment

[eager rock]

i think that

[sleek yew]

now you don't have to do like 30 frost moons to craft anything

[eager rock]

hmm is notu about frost moon or pumpking moon

[ashen warren]

i liked old calamity's grinding system way more tbh

it made a lot of really good gear actually feel more worth it

[eager rock]

the farming problem post moon lord are the unholy shards and darksun fragments

[ashen warren]

instead of having that feeling of it just being given to you

unholy shards are dropped by literally everything in the underworld at post ml

[eager rock]

but is unnecesary farm xD

[ashen warren]

farming is a core part of any mod on the entire fucking browser tho

there is not a single mod where you don't have to farm

[sleek yew]

there's a reason that the devs (vanilla and calamity) haven't made it so there is no farming

[ashen warren]

^

its to make the game interesting

[sleek yew]

it's part of the genre

[ashen warren]

if everything took 1 dirt block , would the game be any fun ?

actually

yeah it woud

but still

[eager rock]

my philosophy about game design is simple: dont force the players to go back to another event

[ashen warren]

your game design

[sleek yew]

uhh

how do i respond to this

[eager rock]

that's why u suggest it

i*

[ashen warren]

to put it simply

most games with that design

( in this genre )

are ass

[sleek yew]

so you don't want the player to chop down two trees or break two pots?

[eager rock]

if u do it funny

is not ass

[sleek yew]

or break two blocks of dirt?

[eager rock]

no

[ashen warren]

night is the most repeated event in the whole entire game

[sleek yew]

you don't want players to repeat an event, no?

[ashen warren]

sometimes you have to repeat an event

[eager rock]

but doing 4 solar eclipse because farming is so bad

for example

[ashen warren]

you only need one solar eclipse for all the darksun fragments

what is in your head

[sleek yew]

(just use celestus, 10mil dps tbh)

[ashen warren]

you only need like 60 - 70 darksun fragments to make everything

unless you make the ring

[eager rock]

rly u think that? xD

[sleek yew]

and yeah you really only need to do one or two solar eclipses

[ashen warren]

but still , you can get that all in one solar eclipse

[eager rock]

i count it, i need 512 darksun fragments

[ashen warren]

WHAT

your math

[eager rock]

to do everything

[ashen warren]

is wrong

[eager rock]

Nope

[ashen warren]

what do you need 512 darksun fragments for

i want to see your math

you're not gonna craft every single weapon in one run

or every single accessory

[sleek yew]

@eager rock are you on version 1.3.4.1?

[eager rock]

yes xD

and i like to craft every single weapon

[sleek yew]

ok here's what you need

[eager rock]

to see it

[ashen warren]

you need 40 or something like that for the auric tesla armor , like 20 (at most) for your class exo-tier weapons, and like 60 for all the shadowspec bars

and shadowspec is optional

so really you only need 60 if you're not making darksun ring

[eager rock]

i can do the maths if u want xD

[fleet fox]

Uh, you're saying you don't want to grind events, yet you're trying to craft every single weapon? That doesn't make any sense

[ashen warren]

^

you're really not making that much sense rn

[sleek yew]

celestial tracers: 7 full auric tesla: 31 any exo weapon: ~15 eye of extintion: 25

78

[ashen warren]

ill go do counting rn to see how much it is to craft all exo- tier weapons AND the auric tesla set

[sleek yew]

you can get more than enough from one event

[eager rock]

at my game in only 10 mothron in 1 day

[ashen warren]

thats over 200 darksun fragments

[fleet fox]

Zerg?

[eager rock]

Yes

I dont know if i get a but

bug*

[sleek yew]

yeah zerg

[fleet fox]

Well, don't complain about grinding if you feel the urge to craft everything that requires Darksun Fragments

[sleek yew]

or if you're a meme master ultimate battler from luiafk

[eager rock]

i thought that i would need 2 solar eclipses, not 4 o 5 xD

[ashen warren]

darksun fragments are the last thing to complain about since they drop in such high amounts

[sleek yew]

@fleet fox ^

[fleet fox]

Yeah

[eager rock]

if i was bugged, idk

[sleek yew]

so don't complain about grinding if you're gonna get all the exo items

[fleet fox]

^

[sleek yew]

as via_silvas said

[eager rock]

for example

for all items that use nightmare fuel, only 2 events are needed

or 1

[sleek yew]

uh huh

i got like 500 nightmare fuels from one event

[eager rock]

me not

[sleek yew]

use zerg

[eager rock]

i used xd

[fleet fox]

You're the only one complaining about Darksun fragments grinding, the Devs aren't going to buff the drop rate because of that

[sleek yew]

^

[eager rock]

and i used zerg at the solar eclipse too

nah i dont care about that

that was only a discussion

xD

[sleek yew]

alright this convo has been going for too long cause of one scal complaint, im out

[fleet fox]

Well, not going to argue anymore

[ashen warren]

i just did math

you need 253 to make all things with darksun , excluding apoth

[sleek yew]

(who even crafts apoth)

(now that it's nerfed)

[dense girder]

isn't it still like amazing

[ashen warren]

crafting only one class helmet for silva and auric , and ALL darksun tier weapons , excluding both the melee and throwing (meaning you only craft on variant) totals to 253

[sleek yew]

also i lied, i'm just gonna stalk the chat and occasionally type

[ashen warren]

so you can absolutely get all darksun fragments in one solar eclipse

[fleet fox]

Every player has their own way of playing, and I'm not here to judge your way of playing, or making fun of it. It's Terraria, have fun, and don't bother with people that tell you to erase your play style and follow theirs.

[eager rock]

oh fck

i did so bad the maths

i counted 2 darksun ring

xD

okey that's was my bad

that*

[fleet fox]

It's ok, everyone commits mistakes

Unless you're Trump

[sleek yew]

why

[ashen warren]

trump has lied over 3000 times since he was elected president

fun fact

[fleet fox]

A giant wall isn't going to control the immigration problem, it's just going to make it worse

[ashen warren]

planes exist

[fleet fox]

And it'll basically trap Mexicans in the U.S

[ashen warren]

#general-talk am i a asshole now

[muted birch]

An*

[cyan lagoon]

most of the materials are for summoner's things though

[bronze elm]

Yo

[cyan lagoon]

so then thrower gets the short end by having to farm random summoner items they probably ignored until that moment

[bronze elm]

I know boss suggestions aren’t taken

But there should be another “Cold” themed boss

Like how Providence and Yharon are themed “Hot” so there should be another boss like Cryogen

[cyan lagoon]

wait, scratch that

ALL of the materials is for the summoner class

[bronze elm]

.

[cyan lagoon]

no accessories have been put into nanotech for thrower yet

[heady comet]

The percentages are valuable for knowing which phase youre at. Keeping it at 100% is probably better

[violet talon]

i think it should bypass god slayer/ silva/ auric tesla armor effect

[cyan lagoon]

but whats the point of that

since you're going to farm void for only the arcanum and fighting him only twice is enough

once for the phantasmal fury and another for the essential dog bits

[neon panther]

ceaseless void fight is easy and boring imo

and it makes sense

[delicate raft]

Yes

[wide tulip]

@delicate raft hi xd

[violet talon]

maybe they shouldnt drop weapons and stuff

but like less of their material

so ceasless void would drop like only 1 dark plasma

maybe those eidolists should drop a lesser amount of ectoplasm

[muted birch]

The main problem is it clogs your inventory

The amount isn't the problem

Who wants to get a cosmic kunai halfway through dog?

[dense nebula]

Hyperin

if that is accepted

its pretty much rip true melee users

[muted birch]

They aren't dead already?

[dense nebula]

nah they died pre hm

[muted birch]

They died on the bootup screen

[dense nebula]

they died before buying terraria

[muted birch]

They died before being banned for spiraling offtopic

[dense nebula]

they died before having a computer

[muted birch]

I didnt even know it was used for storm surge

[sinful violet]

I used to complain that storm surge was op for where you got it ingame

[cobalt ferry]

stormlion mandibles are so bad

[heady comet]

[digital sparrow]

Oof

Also need a Dokuro weapon so if you kill her with that she’s like “oh”

[white laurel]

How about no

Thats really obnoxious

Also no meme suggestions

[hollow shell]

I'm just gonna not star that

[white laurel]

Thank you

@gritty fern can you delete that before I delete it for you

Will take that as a no

[hollow shell]

@cobalt ferry I understand the intention, but unfortunately:

@gritty fern Good suggestion.
So good, that it's actually already gonna be implemented :P

[gritty fern]

Okay dokay

[little jolt]

[gritty fern]

Ask and you shall recieve I guess. Haha

[steep island]

@gritty fern no teleporting worms

[gritty fern]

Feelssadman

[sleek wigeon]

Would be obnoxious to code i presume

[steep island]

No it's just not possible iirc

Or atleast, extremely hard/annoying

[sleek wigeon]

Anythings possible if your crazy enough. Would just be obscenely convoluted.

[brave meteor]

I suggest

Peace on earth

And kindness and understanding between fellow humans

[sleek wigeon]

Never gonna happen, too hard to code

[weak rain]

OOF

[hollow shell]

smh scroll up like 2 inches @weak rain
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/472255623757561856/unknown.png

That suggestion doesn't need to be Deathmode only

[weak rain]

Ah, okay

fixed it

[hollow shell]

Thank you 👌

(I starred Ninjapudding's Deathmode item suggestion cuz I'm an idiot
He hasn't responded here though)

[weak rain]

(oof)

[lucid marsh]

What about Armageddon mode exclusive items?

[weak rain]

Uh...

What's that?

(Haven't played Calamity in a while)

[hollow shell]

Armageddon, Iron Heart, and any of those non-mode modes are definitely not gonna have exclusive items

[fervent zealot]

armageddon already helps you get untouchable and dead inside, which let you get an item in the mod

[hollow shell]

Armageddon is an item that forces you to no-hit, cuz it instantly kills you if you take any damage

But if you beat a boss with it enabled, you get 10x the loot
So it's somewhat worth it to use in a playthrough, mostly because you can disable it and reenable it whenever you want

[weak rain]

oh that's pretty cool

[fervent zealot]

yeah armageddon is super useful for money farming

if you farm a boss which already drops a lot of money like qb even if you massively outmatch them it beats famring stuff at your tier by a lot

[cobalt ferry]

ah i see

armageddon is op

its best used for the desert scourge fishing gear

also very good for wiafu farming

[lusty idol]

Upon reading Odditer's Abyss Rework., the Abyss kinda does need a rework of some kind, but not an entire rework. It still feels a bit empty and the generation shape is repetitive. I know copying off another mod is looked down upon, but maybe taking some inspiration from Thorium's Aquatic Depths wouldn't hurt to make the Abyss more lively, and maybe even the Sulphurous Seas.

[fervent zealot]

i helped with that too smh current abyss is too rigid to really be able to do much with

[heady comet]

Neither of them have legs

[fervent zealot]

@ashen warren we already have a frog leg crafting recipe

[ashen warren]

I know but it's so awful finding 10 frogs

Even with a Zerg potion, the Celestial Tracers, and a Golden Bug Net it's so annoyingly long and tedious

[sleek wigeon]

Thats the point

Fishing isnt exactly hard in calamity

You have infinite master bait, fushing pots for days and PLUS 100 FISHING POWER

Calamity could not make fishing easier if it tried

[crude quartz]

honestly

specially with DS dropping fishing pots

[sleek wigeon]

And not to mention blood orbs

Incase that wasnt enough

[ashen warren]

So that means getting a one in a hundred fishing catch is a non-issue?

[sleek wigeon]

YES!

[ashen warren]

How does any of this warrant the Leviathan not dropping the Frog Legs anyways?

You could argue the Astrogeon Slime shouldn't drop lunar fragments in that case

[sleek wigeon]

Thats just for ease of farming after youve already gotten the bloody things

Thats like if levi dropped frog legs after youve fished one up

[ashen warren]

And it's not likely any given player will have more than one Frog Legs, or even a single one by Moon Lord

[sleek wigeon]

Because most peeps avoid entire game mechanics like the damn plague.

[ashen warren]

Because fishing isn't for everyone, it doesn't mesh well with the strongest parts of replaying it

[sleek wigeon]

The strongest parts of terraria isnt fucking rushing through the game, repeating the same thing every playthrough

[ashen warren]

It can be for a lot of people though

Look, is there a decent argument for not doing what I asked?

If not, then that's that

[sleek wigeon]

It takes away from a mechanic that already is struggling to find a point

[ashen warren]

Unless you want the Frog Legs before the late game

[sleek wigeon]

Meaning a large chunk of the items are useless

[ashen warren]

The Leviathan isn't a pushover

[sleek wigeon]

Which is wasted space

[ashen warren]

"Wasted space"? Jesus that's a slippery slope

[sleek wigeon]

Same reason why not requiring the temple for golem is bad. Because it invalidates a massive structures only point.

[ashen warren]

That makes no goddamn sense...

Thanks for motivating me to go to bed at least

[sleek wigeon]

Things which serve no purpose are bad.

[ashen warren]

You keep asserting that, like it's somehow true

By that I mean it wouldn't remove the purpose, and you're being stupid for saying so

I want to remain civil but you're pushing me too far with your contrary whining

[sleek wigeon]

How isnt it? There may be an argument that fishing wont become completely useless (nor will it as long as crate farmings a thing)
But it does remove part of its purpose, that we can agree on, correct?

[ashen warren]

Only if you don't want the frog legs until the late game, I need to make that clear

And that seems unlikely due to the useful crafting recipes it is in

[sleek wigeon]

Frog leg has only 3 points. As an acessory, moab and staris ninja belt

Not everyone farms for moab and even less use frog leg early game.

[ashen warren]

I'm done with this conversation, it's late, you obviously don't know how to argue, and I have an important day tomorrow

night

[sleek wigeon]

But you cant exactly avoid getting statis if you are a summoner or thrower

Night

[cobalt ferry]

lmao

just make your entire surface of spawn jungle

thats what i allways do

its used for like

5 bosses

and counting anywhere fought bosses

idk

14 bosses?

[ashen warren]

That sounds terrible

[cobalt ferry]

its just removinga few hundred blocks and replacing them with mud

it makes farming even less of a thing as you no longer have to make as many arenas

farming leviathon for a frog leg lmao

[ashen warren]

Yeah, it's waaaaay better than turning your home into a jungle

Who wouldn't want to do that instead

[cobalt ferry]

i mean

placing 100 mud blocks for easy fights against goliath, yharon, queen bee, getting easy turtle shells, getting easier beetle juice.

free infinite wood as a building supply

free rarer dyes (such as sky blue flowers)

easy bait, for sifhing at lowered power for abyys items in multiplayer

yeah

who wouldnt do that

your right

who wouldnt

[ashen warren]

Well, same could be said for any stupid choice I guess

If you spin it the right way

[cobalt ferry]

ok

name the problems with making your base jungle

no

name 2 problems

only 2

[ashen warren]

1. Far more annoying/powerful enemy spawns than almost any other biome
2. Ugly ass wood

That was easy

[cobalt ferry]

1 powerful enemies dont spawn if you have npcs, which im sure you do

[ashen warren]

Blood moon

[cobalt ferry]

ugly ass wood is preferance/isnt ugly if you use it the right way

[ashen warren]

It's a reason though

[cobalt ferry]

banners make the enemies ez

and they drop more/ better rewards

[ashen warren]

Oh yeah that's literally not difficult or annoying to raise a banner for literally everything

[cobalt ferry]

and even without banners most weapons in calamity will 1 to 2 shot them

early hardmode weapons

[ashen warren]

I don't know why I'm still here, I'm getting dumber by the second

[cobalt ferry]

even if harder enemies are that much of a problem just use a zen potion

[tired haven]

Why make jungle biome at that point tho if you're going to ignore enemies and their drops?

[cobalt ferry]

i make one early hardmode

lots of bosses are biome exclusive to it

i mean

i make one ealy at the start

not early hardmode

and i dont ignore the enemies myself

also you still havent given a second point solomael

[tired haven]

ugly ass wood

[cobalt ferry]

that aint a real point

thats not a downside

[tired haven]

If that aint a downside then you're straight up ignoring other people preferences and this make arguing over things invalid

[cobalt ferry]

Free ugly ass wood

Just throw it away

You arnt being forced to use it

Getting any item in terraria isbt a downside

You can still turn the wood into platforms

For the destroyer of gods

Getting free building materials isnt a downside, even if it is "ugly"

[tired haven]

I can get them in jungle as well

If I ever need

[cobalt ferry]

You can only get them in the jungle

Thats why i build one at spawn

[tired haven]

Travelling would take, like, 5 seconds with db, and I have to farm several bosses in jungle anyway

[cobalt ferry]

Yeah

[tired haven]

Can't really fight plontoro at spawn btw

[cobalt ferry]

Turning spawn into jungle makes so you dont

Didint list plantera tbh

Even tho in theory you could, since theres no limit to where plantera can be fought

And a small patch uf jungle barely underground would let you get nautral spawns

[tired haven]

I'm not exactly sure why there is that convo about one player's specific strat (which is probably forced on others but eh) going on tbf

[cobalt ferry]

He was complaining about frog leg being too hard to get

Catching 10 frogs too hard tbh

[tired haven]

Not hard but pretty annoying

Considering all the others much more steady supplies for items

[cobalt ferry]

The spawn jungles way better for multiplayer tho

Thats mainly why i do it

[tired haven]

If it's better for you, good for you
I prefer leaving spawn as it is for example

[cobalt ferry]

He said frogleg sucks to get, i said just make your spawn a jungle, he said that idea sux cause wood looks ugly and strong enemies, i said no ur wrong

Froglegs not really annoying to get tho, just catch every frog you cross paths with

If you really want to avoid fishing that much

[tired haven]

Certainly not why Truffle worms got a recipe

Catching that random stuff is boring as hell

Even with a setup like that

[vague olive]

@earnest raptor no joke suggestions

[tired haven]

Wulfrum axe was already nerfed for quite a while and its' dps is far worse than muramasa

[cobalt ferry]

Truffle worms have a recipe?

[tired haven]

Also it's kind of weird to apply vanilla balancing that doesn't even exist apparently to calamity

Yes

[earnest raptor]

@vague olive base damage of axe - 20. Speed - 4 swings in second. 80 dps in first day? I'm think these too powerful.

[tired haven]

Install newest version smh

[earnest raptor]

It's fixed in 1.3.4?

[cobalt ferry]

Lots of problems are fixed in the newest version

[tired haven]

Wulfrum axe in up to date version is 10 dmg and 3 swings

[earnest raptor]

Ouch.

I'm delete suggestion and update Calmity.

[ashen warren]

@safe lava i mean

yharons kindle staff exist

its more of a bumblebee yharon

[safe lava]

Who here thinks we need a baby Yharon pet

Oh wait my post already got attention?

[main meadow]

@ashen warren he meant about pet, not summon

[safe lava]

I did not know that existed, but still

[main meadow]

If you mean pet, it didn't exist

[cobalt ferry]

You can uae a summon staff to summon an army of baby yharons tho

[safe lava]

Like not a minion, just a companion. Like the Baby Brimstone Elemental. Despite there being the rose stone, which summons a minion Brimstone Elemental (yes Ik it’s an accessory) we still have the charred relic

Like a small, cute Yharon

[ashen warren]

like a teeny tiny yharon

[main meadow]

^

[safe lava]

Like applejack said

Yesterday I was listening to Yharon’s Phase Two Theme (best one so far, except MAYBE DoG / DoG’s final form) and I was just sorta thinking “man, it would be so cool to have a baby Yharon pet.” And then suddenly, it hit me: I need to suggest this! A day & a half of searching later, I realized the discord is my best bet, so here I am

@ashen warren the Frog Legs are INCREDIBLY easy to obtain if you have a lot of money and desert scourge summons. Just keep killing desert scourge until you have the angler set and tackle bag. Then, craft a Supreme Bait Tackle Fishing Station.
Buy master bait from the merchant, put on the SBTFS and Angler Set, and just fish in a large area

[ashen warren]

@orchid oxide why tho

thats unnecessary and annoying

[orchid oxide]

Thing is post hardmode you’ll no doubt have the torrential tear

Aswell as there being no need for rain to spawn naturally

it’s an Easter egg to it’s name and I just felt like it kinda fit

[safe lava]

Mongolia I actually agree with you on this one

That seems like a cool little EE

[earnest raptor]

And, i'm check axe.

I'm have 1.3.4.1 and Wulfrum Axe not nerfed.

[bitter topaz]

@junior trellis what the hell kind of suggestion is that?

is the DoT suddenly a ravager minion or some shit

and also, the pillars do have a brief time of being intangable, but it's barely enough to dash through them because you're not supposed to do that

[tired haven]

DoT is probably used as example of starting invincibility-not damaging state

Same with storm weaver p2, void's energies

[bitter topaz]

it sounded like they said they were dodging a DoT while fighting ravager for whatever reason

[earnest raptor]

What the DoT?

I'm nooby idiot.

[violet talon]

Devourer of Thots

3 in total spawn from devourer of gods in revengence mode

[earnest raptor]

What linked Ravager and DoTs?

[stoic narwhal]

It also means Damage Overtime too, but it's the former that he's referring.

[quiet abyss]

He's suggesting to make flame pillars not deal contact damage for a bit upon spawning, like how DoTs don't deal contact damage for about 3 seconds upon spawning. He's not linking DoTs to Ravager; he's just using DoTs as an example of "not dealing contact damage for a bit upon spawning"

He just worded it kinda poorly, which can cause misunderstandings. "While trying to dodge something else like the Devourer of Thots" make it sounds like Ravager can spawn DoTs, when he cannot.

[ashen warren]

@sleek wigeon https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/339409089085964289/472418225964056577/unknown.png

Surely you'd agree that the devs made a terrible choice by making fishing entirely worthless from the get go

You can farm this guy before hardmode

[dense girder]

Like the Craftable Fishing Rewards mod

[bitter topaz]

the problem is fishing is fucking boring

[dense girder]

But worse

Well I mean not entirely

Fishing is tedious, yes

[bitter topaz]

not that DS can be farmed for fishing stuff

[dense girder]

But the satisfaction of getting that loot you needed and getting lots of good loot makes it worth it

[ashen warren]

stormlion's actually spawn commonly tho

See, there's no reason not to have optional bosses drop optional gear that sucks to obtain normally

Anyone who argues otherwise is appealing to their tastes alone

[dense girder]

hi sorry my brain is currently working at three percent capacity could you elaborate

[ashen warren]

^

[dense girder]

@ashen warren

[ashen warren]

i think he's trying to say something like

rare drops dropping more commonly from specific bosses

or sum like that idk

[dense girder]

sounds like one of my friends who absolutely refuses to play modded with calamity or craftable fishing rewards or shit because "wtf why can u craft rare stuf!!"

[ashen warren]

I argued yesterday that the Leviathan or some boss should drop the Frog Legs, and I got lots of opposition for stupid reasons

because

that doesnt make sense

[dense girder]

neither are frogs

and frog legs are useless

except for the ninja belt

[ashen warren]

no they arent

frog legs in prehardmode make aerialite wings accelaration super high

The belt is really useful for a lot of situations though, not just summoner characters

[dense girder]

still, fishing up a leg isn't hard at all

do it in prehm and store it for later

[ashen warren]

except non-summoner users wont use the belt

throwers maybe but i never did

[cobalt ferry]

You got alot of oppression cause frog legs are something you can get in 5 minutes tops

[ashen warren]

thats called

laziness

[dense girder]

Fishing isn't even that boring

People just don't have patience

[ashen warren]

0.4% chance isn't a 5 minute process

lmao

[dense girder]

Wait for rain, get a good fishing rod, find a big lake, fish at 4:30am while it rains

Literally the best fishing power possible

variant on your bait and rod

[ashen warren]

"I literally got it in 5 minutes, I don't see why anyone else is complaining"

supreme tackle box fishing station thingy cuts that down to about 2 minutes

what a dumbass

you get to wait until you get it

[dense girder]

solo just go fish 🙄

[ashen warren]

Can you answer one question for me though

sure

[dense girder]

green name is here aaa

[ashen warren]

pal

[final lantern]

I got it in "istantly" so it's not so hard because its everywhere.

[ashen warren]

Why is the current batch of fishing quest boss drops alright, will you rally to remove those?

[quiet abyss]

You can just catch 10 frogs in jungle to craft Frog Leg tho.

[ashen warren]

what

[dense girder]

what

[ashen warren]

@quiet abyss It's a pain, I've done it several times

i didnt understand any of that

[final lantern]

Or fish in small pool.

[ashen warren]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/339409089085964289/472418225964056577/unknown.png

The Desert Scourge drops those

i know

[dense girder]

everything beneath the pants imo should be removed

potions and clothes are a pain to get

[bitter topaz]

no

[ashen warren]

except it shouldnt

[dense girder]

y'all just impatient to get those from quests

[bitter topaz]

the PDA components are actually the fucking worst

[ashen warren]

^

[dense girder]

you do know you can craft all those right

[ashen warren]

Everything should be removed by your logic, don't half ass your arguments

[final lantern]

Reduced Grinding----a helpful mod for U

[bitter topaz]

the angler armour are set to the 5th, 10th and 15th quests respectively

[dense girder]

...no?

[bitter topaz]

the PDA components are a 1.67% chance iirc

[dense girder]

the 5th quest is the Carrot

for the bunny mount

always

[bitter topaz]

then it's 10th, 15th and 20th

[dense girder]

more likely

[ashen warren]

@dense girder If you think potions are a pain to get then just go out there and collect plants

That's your argument

[dense girder]

no thanks fam

[ashen warren]

potions arent really a pain to get ...

[dense girder]

alchemist npc

[final lantern]

Just time. 15x24mins.

[dense girder]

buy em

[quiet abyss]

Potions aren't a pain to get...especially with blood orbs

[ashen warren]

^

[dense girder]

Pre-Skeletron, your orbs are nullified

[ashen warren]

potions arent a pain to get regardless of blood orbs

[dense girder]

[quiet abyss]

You don't really need buffs pre skeletrons anyway

[ashen warren]

Jesus Christ you children are so stupid

[quiet abyss]

Even on deathmode

And you can just farm for potions normally

[dense girder]

Solo, calling us children does not make you the bigger man

Some of us are around your age or older

[ashen warren]

Solo you need to chill

[dense girder]

^

[ashen warren]

if you're playing the game normally

@dense girder I call people children when they act that way

we're literally not doing anything

[quiet abyss]

"Children" implies that we're acting immature

[dense girder]

Well it makes you seem like a pretentious annoyance so don't, call us idiots rather

[ashen warren]

You have no self awareness

Calling people children for disagreeing is childish

[dense girder]

^

[ashen warren]

^

It's not because I disagree, it's because you won't see the points I'm making

You're so hypocritical

[dense girder]

So then, tell us your points

[ashen warren]

if you play the game normally and keep your seeds, you'll 100% have enough seeds to have enough plants to make all the buffs you need

[dense girder]

oh no mod run

[restive coral]

would be nice if you guys can pull this drama somewhere else

[quiet abyss]

Ye we'll stop now, sorry

[ashen warren]

sigh

I guess I said what I needed

what are your points tho

[dense girder]

Cease

[ashen warren]

and desist

not as like a drama thing

[restive coral]

s t o p

[dense girder]

mmph fine

mmph nvm

[final lantern]

J U S T S T O P please.

Thanks.

[ashen warren]

lets just go to general and discuss it thrre

[dense girder]

nty

[restive coral]

yes, and do it in a civilized manner please

[safe gust]

I didn't expect the bike idea to be so popular

[worthy fiber]

Kinda doubt a hook should be included in the starter bag because King Slime

[dense girder]

would still be nice to have one that early

makes travelling a little easier

[delicate raft]

King Slime is easy anyway

[safe gust]

I think that something like a hook so early game when they are already so accessible is basically a handout

[tight chasm]

Slime hook isn't guaranteed

[worthy fiber]

there's always the gem crawlers as well

easy hooks

[tight chasm]

Eh, true, but I just think I'd be convenient to have one from the start instead of slowly walking around everywhere until you get one

[dense girder]

^

[main meadow]

This hook should be very short honestly

Cause it will be cheap

[worthy fiber]

obtaining a hook is quite a step in progression

so yeah it'd have to be short

[dense girder]

The lowest reach of any hook is the Amethyst Hook at 18 blocks

I'd say this one be at ~12 blocks

[ashen warren]

incorrect

the normal grappling hook is the shittiest one

[dense girder]

shittiest but not lowest reach

regular is 19 blocks

amethyst is 18

[tired haven]

Smh amethyst hook is worse but not worst
Worst is spider one

It is like 16 range

And wulfrum should be 12-14

[dense girder]

Spider one makes up for the tiny range with 8 hooks

So no, not worst

[opal barn]

Why the hell would you need to have 8 hooks anyway

[dense girder]

spider cosplay

[tired haven]

Spoodey men

Ew tbh

[opal barn]

Another BFB and ZOMG suggestion

[tight chasm]

Smh

[dense girder]

i like

bundle of balloons is hard to get

then ya get it

then moab

then useless

[tight chasm]

Bundle is super worth it tho

[dense girder]

exactly

but the MOAB makes it useless because of being bad "wings"

[tired haven]

I was probably only person to not name it BFB and ZOMG kek

[dense girder]

this isn't the first time it's been suggested??

[tired haven]

It's like 10th